Re: [lace] Lacemakers' Badge
Hi again The picture of our daughter Pam as a guide/lacemaker with her Lacemaker badge around 1980 can now be seen on our site at www.roseground.com . Take the About Us option and scroll down to the piece about Pam and you will see a link to the picture. If you don't, its probably because you have visited before so just click the Refresh button to see the latest. Pat Hallam Nottingham, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for catalogue [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Shop on-line at www.roseground.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re Girl Guides and lace
I too learnt about lacemaking trough the Girl Guides. I was in the Rangers when I went to Nottingham for a Young Leaders training day. Amongst the first aid etc, was a session of demonstrations of various things - one of which was someone with a lace pillow. I only got to watch, but I saw someone being shown how to work part of the pattern on the pillow, and having a go. It stuck in my head that although it loked complicated, it wasn't as hard as it looked. Several years later, working in a library, I came across lacemaking books, borrowed a few and realised I could pick up this craft. I asked for lacemaking equipment for Christmas, and started my journey. I've had ups and downs over the 17 years I have been making lace, but managed to make wedding presents for friends when we had little cash. I usually have something on the go now, and earlier this month went to my first Lace Day (Tamworth and Newton Regis - Thanks Jane) which I really enjoyed, and had my first taste of needlelace. Karen In Coventry Where we didn't have the promised thunderstorms yesterday - and today seems set to be hot and humid. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: 17/06/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: 17/06/2005 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Girl Guides and lace
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Sue Babbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes For interest's sake, I've just dug out my guide handbook from 1968, and found the badge requirements: It's a bit daunting, isn't it - even having passed City Guilds Part 2, I could do clauses 1, 3a,b,d and e (could do c but it wasn't something I enjoyed doing when we learnt how) and 4a (I hate knitting, and of the Irish techniques, only learnt the rosettes when Mom taught me to crochet - my netting didn't really get further than the initial hammock, and a better square to show the technique - the piece of darned net we did was on a commercially produced square net). But, as for clause 2, we were never taught how to mend lace - and if you think about it, today's society tends to shy away from mending anything - I wonder if, with the trend towards recycling, mending skills (for all sorts of things, not just lace) are something that should be revived? -- Jane Partridge -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: 17/06/2005 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Fingerloop braids.
Jeri is cruel bringing this to our attention when I already have s much lace I should be doing. I also make Kumihimo braids and am interested in comparing the two ways of making a braided/woven lace. I've not started yet (resisting hard as I'm about to go on a 2 day Withof course with Yvonne Scheele) but on reading through Lady Bindloss's Braid Manuscript from pre 1660 I came across the following frustrating entry:- 26. To make a braid of :40: bobbins (I omit this set of instructions since it is not a fingerloop braid. Plus, the handwriting was close to illegible, sorry!) Well, some of us would still be interested even if it's not a fingerloop braid. Some of the earlier ones there is a copy of the script, along with a transcription and a translation. This one just shows the braid, which is flat with a textured chevron design. So, I wonder how it is made. It is very unlike the plaited lace of the time so I am guessing that she is using the general definition of bobbin as a thread carrier. But how frustrating. Jacquie in an overcast but still very hot Lincolnshire - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Convention vendors?
Hello -- I have yet another question about the IOLI convention, if you all don't mind. (Hope I'm not wearing out my welcome here, so soon!) Is there a list of vendors who will be attending the Denver convention available somewhere or from someone? I would be interested in seeing it, if soStill debating whether or not to make the drive to Denver. Thanks again very much for all of your gracious help, both on- and off-list. Ricki Torrey Salt Lake City, Utah - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Torchon Purse Pendant Raffle Winner!
Hi Jane, thanks I was so pleased that I won it makes up for the disappointment I had whan I won a previous raffle for a spider but unfortunately it never arrived. I believe Jackie Bowhey did not receive hers either. Sue Harvey Norfolk UK - Original Message - From: Jane Viking Swanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: arachne lace@arachne.com Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 12:55 AM Subject: [lace] Torchon Purse Pendant Raffle Winner! Hi All, I had DH pull a name out of the hat and the winner of the Torchon Purse Pendant book is Sue Harvey of the UK!! I wish I had a copy for each of the other 75 of you who entered!! Holding a raffle is a good way to guarantee lots of mail G. Thanks to everybody who wrote! Jane in Vermont, USA where there have been a few sprinkles and two rainbows today [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Convention vendors?
At 08:57 AM 6/20/2005, you wrote: Is there a list of vendors who will be attending the Denver convention available somewhere or from someone? It might be on the website, but one came with registration informtion. Acorn Bobbins Gretchen's Garage Sale Bobbins by VanDieren Eugene Jankowski, Sculptor Filet by the Sea GR-8 Shuttles Tom Clark Glass Bobbins IOLI Kathy Kirchner Knotwork Lace Tools Lace Such Lace Legacy Etc Lace Museum (The) Lace N Bobbins Lacemaker (The) Lacy Susan Le Fuselier Enr. Louise Moreau, Artist Mary Chapman Books Molly Carroll Antique lace Paivi Roberts Piney Woods Lacemaking Equipment Provo Enterprises Richard Worthen, bobbin maker Roseground Supplies Fine Wire lace Skaska Designs Ltd Unique Expressions VanSciver Bobbin lace Yarn I remember some reference to 100 tables in the sales room. There should be enough to keep us all busy just looking (and buying). Alice in Oregon - where last night we had lightning, thunder, rain and a glorious golden sunset which included a rainbow -- all at the same time. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Fingerloop Braids
It is possible to make braids to match lace you are creating, and even use the same threads in the same colors! There are times when this is a perfect solution. Stores do not carry braids in every color you might want, or braids that are very delicate. This will be perfect for me as soon as I figure out which braid to make. I want to learn needle lace and cannt find a local source for the braid to make some of it so making my own would be very good. Not sure if I could do the finger loop braiding though as I have arthritis in my hands. I also like the idea of making the braid as well. The katherine wheel braid whic is a three worker one is gorgeous and I would love to do it just do not know any other braiders in the area. I have sent a message to a kumihimo list I am on to see if it could be done on a marudai with just one person. Let me know, please, if you have fun with this Medieval skill. Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace Embroidery Resource Center I have done braiding but using a marudai not doing finger loop braiding. Kumihimo is very interesting. I was very lucky as a person on one of the lists I am on was getting rid of some of her equipment that she didn't use any more and sent me a marudai and the tama. Only problem is it isn't very portable. The variety of designs that you can make with even a small number of thread is amazing. Lorna Hanrahan Who hasn't yet found a fiber art that I didn't want to at least try - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Website, Brazilian bobbin lace
http://www.fairloom.org/ Talk about color in bobbin lace! Some interesting pictures as you click through the website: under the About link, what *are* those things being used as pins? Lynn Carpenter in SW Michigan, USA alwen at i2k dot com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Classes and Vendors at IOLI Convention
Hi Ricki and All, I'm swooning reading the names of the vendors at the IOLI Convention. I was bedazzled last year at all the wares!! Happily I don't do BL so a lot was not of interest for purchasing but I managed to spend plenty of money G. Also, John Aebi is the woodworker Tamara mentioned in a post about displaying bobbins. He's been at Ithaca too. I have a beautiful ring stick he made with a groove along the length so you can fit your needle in there when making couronnes. Lovely! I think there are spaces in classes so you should check with the Rocky Mountain Lace Guild. I'm sure you'll find something of interest! Having the Convention so close is a real opportunity. I hope you will take it!! Jane in Vermont, USA looking forward to the Convention. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Website, Brazilian bobbin lace
http://www.fairloom.org/ Talk about color in bobbin lace! Some interesting pictures as you click through the website: under the About link, what *are* those things being used as pins? Lynn Carpenter in SW Michigan, USA alwen at i2k dot com Hi Lynn, I think we have heard about these pins before. In some areas of the world where coconut palms are plentiful, straight or small headed pins get a teeny baby coconut to make the pins more finger friendly. Patty - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Website, Brazilian bobbin lace
On Jun 20, 2005, at 20:24, Lynn Carpenter wrote: http://www.fairloom.org/ Talk about color in bobbin lace! Geez... And here I thought that some of the Slovenian lace was a bit overboard... :) -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Fingerloop Braids
On Jun 18, 2005, at 20:26, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last week, Tess gave me a website with everything about Medieval Fingerlooping - written by our friends at SCA. http://www.fingerloop.org/ Didn't have the time to dip very far into the website but it was interesting to see the picture of 'One braider and helper pictured in 1465 CE, from the Spanish altar piece Historia de la Virgen Maria, attributed sometimes to Nicholas de Zahortiga I wonder if the two aren's the Virgin Mary herself and St Anne... Some years ago, Vibeke Ervo clued me in about Annunciation paintings. She said that, in most of them, Mary and Anne are together when the angel appears and, usually, busy doing some needlecraft. Sometimes, it's bobbin lace... I've been visiting old churches with renewed zeal since then, looking :) -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Fingerloop Braids
Hello everyone thank you Jeri for bringing this to our attention - I know this braid well from my spinny-weavy days. However, I prefer it in thicker threads, preferably wool. It has a lovely flat side, that looks plaited, and an interested rounded side, that looks knitted. There is a single page diagram and instructions in a back issue of SpinOff, which got me experimenting with it. I hadn't thought of it in conjunction with lace, vs. using such fine threads as we do for lace, the tiny looped braid one could make with sewing thread might look insignificant? I'm game to be proven wrong, so if anyone tries it to do with a lace project, do please share. I have seen kumihimo braids used effectively with bobbin lace amulet purses (the k/h braid for the pendant cord). The slentre braid (as I know it) seems to be better applied flat than used strictly as a cord - though it would be a good 'lace' as in 'shoelace.' To make this braid, plan on miles more thread than you think you need. It seems to me there was a limit to how long you could make it, according to one's armspan (on account of having to swing the threads wide to tension - might be a problem for those with arthritis, plus you do have to have finger dexterity to transfer the loops). bye for now Bev in Sooke, BC (on Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada) Cdn. floral bobbins www.woodhavenbobbins.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Website, Brazilian bobbin lace
Hi, I think the pins are some type of thorn. I have another picture from a Brazilian book on their Rendas and it shows the same type. Some of the them do not have the blob on top so I think that might be a wax of some sort. All a guess on my part. It is one of those things I was going to look into and never have...as of yet. Regards, Rosemary in Sunny Flagstaff, AZ. - Original Message - From: Lynn Carpentermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lace@arachne.commailto:lace@arachne.com Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 5:24 PM Subject: [lace] Website, Brazilian bobbin lace http://www.fairloom.org/http://www.fairloom.org/ Talk about color in bobbin lace! Some interesting pictures as you click through the website: under the About link, what *are* those things being used as pins? Lynn Carpenter in SW Michigan, USA alwen at i2k dot com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] london
Janice wrote: I guess DH and I qualify for the discounts for seniors. Do we need to have proof of any kind to get the discounts at museums, etc? Usually, pensioners just flash their pension book (now a pink card which says you're entitled to pension since pensions started being paid directly into bank accounts). For some reason DH doesn't have the card - must ring the Department of Work and Pensions and ask for one - so he flashes his bus pass. Men qualify for a pension at 65, but get a bus pass at 60 since the EU decided that men and women had to be treated equally in this respect. So it's usually over 60s who get concessions. Don't know if these concessions are restricted to the British living here, but you must have some UK documents with your birth date on just to be sure. In any case, as you only look 20, you'll certainly be asked for proof of age to get a concession:-) Jean in Poole - Original Message - From: Janice Blair [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lace-chat-digest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 12:47 AM Subject: [lace-chat] london Having just filled out my application for my British pension, have been dragging my feet for over a year on this, :-), I guess DH and I qualify for the discounts for seniors. Do we need to have proof of any kind to get the discounts at museums, etc? Janice Janice Blair Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] london
Janice Blair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having just filled out my application for my British pension, have been dragging my feet for over a year on this, :-), I guess DH and I qualify for the discounts for seniors. Do we need to have proof of any kind to get the discounts at museums, etc? Janice aren't most of the major museums free to enter - the ones that are publicly funded anyway? I think they ask for donations but that's discretionary. jenny barron far too hot in Scotland To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] bobbins for beginner
Dear Ronna, Without wanting to dampen your enthusiam, I would say that your main problem is that you want to do too many things at once as a beginner! Goodness me, I'd never heard of a beginner wanting to try 6 different types of lace when they had only just started learaning !! No wonder it's costing you a fortune! All the laces you mention except torchon are fairly demanding, and if you don't have the basic techniques at your fingertips, you will drown in conflicting instructions, as some things are not made in exactly the same way in different laces. However, if you really want to try all those things at once, just buy some fairly straight bobbins, made of heavy woods, not pine, with a pointy rather than rounded end, so you can use them for different kinds of lace. Honiton, Withof and Milanese don't require many bobbins, in Honiton and Withof, you keep starting and cutting,(which in itself is difficult for a beginner), and Milanese is a tape lace, so you only use 10-15 pairs, usually, particularly for beginner's pieces. The main thing is that spangled bobbins are awkward to use in those laces, because you keep having to do sewings i.e. catching one of the threads with a crochet hook to get it through a bit you've already made so that the lace holds together. As long as your bobbins are slightly pointed at the end, you should be able to use them for any lace. Just because some parts of the world had different types of bobbins from others doesn't mean that we can't make that lace with the bobbins we have!! I did a Rosaline(kind of Withof workshop with spangled bobbins, once, because I didn't have any others, and I didn't want to spend money on some I knew I wouldn't use much after. It worked, it was just awkward to pull the thread through, but with a bit of care, I managed OK. And my teacher didn't blast me off either, she just accepted that I only had those bobbins. My suggestion would be to stick to one type of lace until you can feel you are fairly confident in it, and then do workshops in other types of laces, to see which ones you really like. If you feel Honiton is your thing, go ahead and buy Honiton bobbins and thread, and have lessons, but don't spend all your money buying various things which you may never want to use again after one try!! I did one workshop in Beds (with my torchon bobbins), and decided it was not my cup of tea at all. If I had bought all the supplies plus all the books specially for it, it would have been a complete waste of money. As for books, I suggest you join a local lacemakers's group. Most of them have a library where you can borrow books. A lot cheaper than trying to buy all at once, when you don't even know whether they are good or not. This is my comment about your problems. I hoep you find what you want, and above all, that you keep making lace, which is the most important!! Best of luck, Helene, the froggy from Melbourne Hello all, I have a beginners question about supplies. I have only one style of bobbin right now, I don't know what it is called. It has no spangles, a double head and square base (so it doesn't roll too much). I am going to the convention and have Hointon and Withoff classess. My list of supplies for Hointon has not arrived yet, but my Withoff one has. It asks for Binche or Fine Belgium bobbins 40 of them. I am wondering if I will absolutely have to purchase new bobbins for this or if mine could be used ( I will need the hointon bobbins from what I understand) I am a beginner so the cost of setting up is extraordinary. I would make my own bobbins if I had the time and deminsions. (I turn wood on a lathe, but I am not speedy at it). I want to purchase a large number of books and I am reeling at the sudden cost. I have pins, 2 pillows and a picker and pin puller, I even have a magnifier and sone holders for the bobbins so they don't shift when put away on the pillow. I have about three books so far, but only on Torchon and Milanese. Any tips on cost cutting or prioritizing what I need? My husband is near painic as I start listing what I want. Since I did not know about the conviention till this year I have not set asside for the cost so spreading out the cost and prioritizing is very important for now. Also if I have typos, please forgive - I can't find my glasses. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Denmark
Dear spiders, thank you very much to those who sent me info about where to stay in Copenhagen and around. I haven't done anything about it yet as I had to go into hospital for a nose operation(no, no, not a cosmetic one, just to widen my airways!), and missed one week at work, what bad luck :-( When I went back, everything was in a mess because we're getting an updated version of our computer system!!!I think computer programmers pay less and less attention to the comfort of those who are going to use their programmes! The anount of finger work we have to do with the new system compared with the old one is incredible. And all because they keep putting in things that are useless but have to be keyed in before we can get what we want I can imagine the number of RSI claims in the next generation!!!Half of them will be crippled by age 40. Bad for lace, that!! So, thank you all anyway. I'll process the information as I go along... Yours in lace, Helene, the froggy from Melbourne The pessimist may be right in the long run, but the optimist will have had a better time during the trip (R Stollery) Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] :-) I pledge allegiance to the flag...
Jimmy was at his first day of school. The teacher advised the class to start the day with the Pledge of Allegiance, and instructed them to put their right hands over their hearts and repeat it after him. He looked around the room as he started the recitation, I pledge allegiance to the flag... When the teacher's eyes fell on Jimmy, he noticed his hand over the right cheek of his behind. James, I will not continue till you put your hand over your heart. Jimmy replied, It is over my heart. After several attempts to get Jimmy to put his hand over his heart, the teacher asked, Why do you think that is your heart? Because, every time my Grandma comes to visit, she picks me up, pats me here, and says, 'Bless your little heart,' and my Grandma wouldn't lie. Margery. [EMAIL PROTECTED] in North Herts, UK To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Visiting the UK
Hi all, I've been informed by my boss that I'm having a month of holidays whether I want them or not. So I have decided to visit the UK to see some family who are based in North Wales. I leave in the beginning of August and come back at the beginning of September. Does anyone have some suggestions of lace places that I could visit around the country? Cheers Shell In rainy Tasmania, Australia To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Translation assistance
The school teacher who has been giving our eldest son Estonian language classes asked me about a sentence in one of Caroline Graham's Chief Inspector Barnaby books which she is translating into Estonian. She asked me if I knew what a finger dainty was. We presumed it was some sort of food, either a small dainty cookie (long rather than round) or a sandwich. What is it? Then there was a sentence that ended with: she picked up a sunray of bloater paste soldiers. I know that soldiers are slices of bread or toast cut into fingers, but what is bloater paste and a sunray? Can anyone please explain? Thanks for your help, Pene To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Bedfordshire area pictures
There's a history book of pictures of Bedfordshire area on eBay with just a few hours to go. If anyone is a history buff of that region, you might want to take a look. Item 8311815348. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=98558item=8311815348rd=1 Alice in Oregon -- where last night we had lightning, thunder, rain and a glorious golden sunset which included a rainbow -- all at the same time. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Re: Continuing problems with AOL and others!
Well, the good news is that I can now post to AOL etc again. On 20 Jun 2005, at 01:58, Tamara P Duvall wrote: Yesterday (or maybe the day before?) your message (to lace) - about Edition 3 of Threads for Lace - got stopped by my ISP, and I had to go to their website to retrieve it. It's the first time that's happened, since I also subscribe, via the ISP, to Postini (a virus and spam filter). at least you had the opportunity to decide for yourself whether or not it was spam I've long believed that some messages get rejected/tagged as spam because of the subject line. During the period when every second spam message wanted to sell me a Rolex watch, my message to Dominique (in Paris), which had rolled cords as the subject line got rejected also. When I changed the subject line it was delivered. Was that the one with the subject 'Edition 3 - still waiting' ? Perhaps it was 'still waiting' that upset the system. A strong stance on junk mail is commendable, but not so good if it's rejecting bone fide messages. Which is why I like my ISP-cum-Postini much better; both let *me* decide whether to zap the message (and its sender) or to accept it. I can then designate the sender's address as as acceptable, and no more problems (one hopes g)... I have Norton Anti virus etc, and since I've had broadband and don't pay by the minute for internet connection spam doesn't bother me as much as it used to. I've got 'Mail' pretty well trained and most of it goes into the junk folder and gets deleted unread. The few that do come through, usually to the main in-box rather than diverted to a folder, generally have subject lines that identify it as spam and get sent to junk which subsequently sends anything else from that sender there too. And Anne, in Austin, Texas wrote: I ran into problems sending to AOL addresses in another group. The tech I talked with said it was because I had a business card attachment. Just a few days earlier I had no problems with sending to AOL. It coincided with AOL's decision to start attaching ads, etc., to emails. It could be that the unsubscribe tag is causing the bounces. AOL members are only allowed to send to a maximum of 10 people if even 1 of the addresses is to a Yahoo address. This went into effect at the same time. Cheese, Louise... Why would anyone want to stay with AOL then? It's not as if they're a free service, and if they're gonna add ads to emails and, at the same time, act like a robber baron monopoly (barring free services like yahoo)... Another list (family history) that I subscribe to had problems a while ago posting to AOL customers. IIRC AOL didn't like messages being sent to large groups! Maybe it was the same problem and one (or more) members of the discussion group was with Yahoo. Brenda http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/ To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
