Re: [lace] Thread question
Hello Jean I have a pattern for a crocheted miser's purse, which calls for purse silk as the thread. Anyone got suggestions on what this is? I've not heard of purse silk as such but I'd suggest that it was a filament/reeled silk for strength and firmly twisted (ie not a floss silk) to a minimise snagging. The size of crochet hook suggested would give a rough indication as to the thickness of the thread which needs to sit comfortably within the hook. I have quite a few old crochet hooks inherited from my Grandma, so I could try the appropriate one with modern crochet cotton to get an idea of the wraps/cm measurement Brenda http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Fan Making
Jo, I totally agree with you. The lace should be designed so that there is a stick at the same place in each pattern repeat. I remember hearing Christine Springett talking about fans some time ago and she said that white and pale coloured lace fans should be mounted onto dark coloured sticks, and black lace onto pale coloured sticks. The reason for this is to minimise the appearance of the sticks - white lace is likely to be displayed against a dark background whilst black will be best seen against a light background. Brenda On 12 Aug 2006, at 19:18, Jo Falkink wrote: I've seen too many fans with repeats that don't match the fan sticks. The beautifull lace then gets destroyed by the too visible and distracting sticks. In my oppinion the sticks should enforce the pattern. Brenda http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Miser's purse instructions
Brenda wrote: The size of crochet hook suggested would give a rough indication as to the thickness of the thread which needs to sit comfortably within the hook. I have quite a few old crochet hooks inherited from my Grandma, so I could try the appropriate one with modern crochet cotton to get an idea of the wraps/cm measurement. No size of hook is mentioned. But because small beads (should be steel) have to be threaded onto the thread, it won't be all that thick. For anyone interested, the instructions are in Home Work published in Canada in 1891. PDF format of the whole book on: http://www.canadiana.org/ECO/PageView?id=f21bc0cf9c0582aedisplay=08942+0003 The purse is on page 196: http://www.canadiana.org/ECO/PageView/08942/0184?id=f21bc0cf9c0582ae My grandmother had one of these purses many years ago completedly covered in steel beads (wasn't interested in things like that as a child so I expect it was thrown away when she died), but I remember that it was about 4 or 5 inches long and 1 or 1 and a half inches wide. So for an 84 stitch chain the hook has to be fairly small. Haven't tried anything yet - thought I'd go the lazy way and ask this group first. Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Miser's purse instructions
Jean I've no help to offer with the thread question - you seem to have about he right sort of guess there. I just wanted to make sure that you are aware that the instructions are using American crocheting terms not British ones. I looked on page 9 for you at the stitch abbreviations. Single crochet is what Brits would call double crochet; Double crochet here is what Brits would call treble Sue (who is finally adjusting to working in US crochet terms!) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Fan Making
Hello Sue If you can get the silk leaf off in one (or not too many) piece use it as the template for your lace leaf. If that's not possible you'll have to calculate the size by measuring the sticks. Two concentric circles with centre at the pivot of the sticks. Outer circle just slightly wider than the ends of the sticks, inner circle measured to the point where the wider decorative part of the stick joins the narrow part, allowing for the lace to completely cover the plainer parts of the sticks. The leaf isn't usually a full semi-circle, its a bit less. Lay the sticks out so that the decorative part of each one just touches the next one to work out the angle of the ends - remember that the lace has to cover both of the end guard sticks. Bobbin lace shrinks a fraction when the pins are removed, so be aware of that - you might want to enlarge the final pattern by 2 or 3%. Point Ground with lots of twists doesn't shrink much but more open designs might shrink more. Also it's my experience that fine lace shrinks less than coarse lace. (Torchon scarves etc worked with knitting yarns loose about 10% of the pricking width) I'll leave advice about cleaning bone sticks to someone else! Brenda On 13 Aug 2006, at 14:19, Sue wrote: Are there any sensible tips I should follow about getting the right span measurement in the first place (do I measure when it is stretched taut) and once the silk is off what should I do with the bone sticks to make sure they are clean before I add lace to them. Brenda http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fw: [lace] Fan Making
Brenda, what a lovely lot of information, I did look in my lace fan book, but it didn't tell me nearly as much as this. I thought I had heard about it shrinking once off the pins and taking that into account, so I will store all this information to help guide me through the process. What I think might be a good idea too, at some time before I make it, is to try working a small leaf piece and see if I like it before working a whole fan and being unsatisfied with it. Worth the extra work I think. Anyway thank you for all this. Sue T, Dorset UK Hello Sue If you can get the silk leaf off in one (or not too many) piece use it as the template for your lace leaf. If that's not possible you'll have to calculate the size by measuring the sticks. Two concentric circles with centre at the pivot of the sticks. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Fan Making
Hello Sue I thought I had heard about it shrinking once off the pins and taking that into account, so I will store all this information to help guide me through the process. What I think might be a good idea too, at some time before I make it, is to try working a small leaf piece and see if I like it before working a whole fan and being unsatisfied with it. Worth the extra work I think. If you do that - and like the result - leave the sample to settle for a day or two then compare it to the pricking to see whether or not you need to slightly enlarge the final pricking. Brenda http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Fan Making - Use for trial lace
In a message dated 8/13/06 2:29:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I think might be a good idea too, at some time before I make it, is to try working a small leaf piece and see if I like it before working a whole fan and being unsatisfied with it. Worth the extra work I think. Anyway thank you for all this. Sue T, Dorset UK Sue, You might make enough lace to create the top layer of a jabot. The under layer could be of blouse fabric or net, to which you add a narrow piece of edging lace. In this way, your trial can be worn long before your fan is ready, and what a treat that will be. Add non-slippery ribbon to tie it on, and wear with any blouse. Another way to attach a jabot without damaging the lace with a pin is to gather it on to a short length of sturdy grosgrain ribbon, with extended grosgrain tabs at each end of the top folded back to points for strength. You can buttonhole stitch a circle eyelet in each tab, and pin a brooch through the holes. I have done this sort of thing with very fragile Carrickmacross lace. It is always best not to force a brooch pin through fine lace threads! Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace and Embroidery Resource Center - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Miser's purse instructions/knitted lace
Hi Jean and everyone I went a-googling and found this info (the bit about the coin purses is about midpage) https://www.hants.gov.uk/museum/bags/bags02.html and I recall making a 'coin kitty' (based on the coin miser - with legs and ears added g) from one of the current magazines, and thinking it was Piecework, went to their site - no knitted kitty but some cool knitted lace patterns http://www.interweave.com/needle/projects/knitting.asp The purse is on page 196: http://www.canadiana.org/ECO/PageView/08942/0184?id=f21bc0cf9c0582ae My grandmother had one of these purses many years ago completedly covered in steel beads (wasn't interested in things like that as a child so I expect it -- Bev in Sooke BC (on Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Fan Making -- pattern shape
The leaf isn't usually a full semi-circle, its a bit less. I disagree. The *finished* fan isn't a semi-circle, but the pattern IS. I just checked two books to confirm this. The leaf starts out a full semi-circle. It is gluing it to the sticks and pleating that uses up some of the length, as well as a bit of shrinkage when unpinning. The sticks are pinned into the final shape which is a wide 'V' that's about 5-degrees less on each side from a semi-circle. Mark equal sections across the top of the lace (perhaps with a pin) where each stick will go. Glue the back guard, then each stick in order, except for the front guard. Support each glued stick/lace in position with pins. The lace will ruffle up a bit between the sticks since the lace starts out a bit wider than the stick placement. When the glue has dried (don't rush), unpin the fan and turn it over. Now you can glue the front guard. When dry, decide if you want the fan spread out all the time or pleated. If pleated, gently fold the lace between the sticks, one section at a time, then let the fan set folded for a time so the lace can get used to it. It is the extra bit of length between sticks that lets the lace curl around each stick for folding. When opened up again, this pleating remains and the lace seems to fit perfectly. If you plan to mount the fan, or frame it, you may want to leave it unpleated. Happy lacing, Alice in Oregon -- starting a wedding gift - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Fans and cats
Hi- When looking for fan sticks I went to my local antique shop and talked with the owner. I found out that they usually won't buy a fan if the leaf is not in good condition. They usually throw away the fan sticks. i said I wanted to make a lace fan and if I was going to do all that work I wanted nice sticks.you know, bone or ivory and i only wanted to pay $0.50 for it.of course that got a laugh but the owner pulled out a box and said I could have one of the fans he had. The cloth was falling apart but it had been beautiful with a hand painted design and very interesting sequins of all different shapes, tear drops, flowers, etc. on it. I carefully removed the cloth and stored it, just couldn't bear to throw it away, and then cleaned the frame. To my surprise, it is ivory with beautiful gold gilt. Now I am designing the fan for it. It is quite large and I have not been able to find any ready made patterns that would fit. Also there are a couple of ribs missing so I'll just adjust the pattern to fit. Can't wait to get started but will have to since I already have a project going on my large pillow. And for the lacer who has problems with her cat playing with the bobbins...my cat lies beside me in the chair when I am lacing so I solved the problem by making her her own bobbin. I took an empty Kreinik spool and tied a piece of crochet thread around it and made a loop on the other end of the thread. Using a divider pin I attach it to the side of my pillow where she can reach it and now she laces with me and leaves my bobbins alone Linda Blair Edgefield, South Carolina, USA - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
