RE: [lace] There's never enough room
Some kinds of stainless steel will stick to magnets. -- Joy Beeson A thin wooden bobbin with a metal insert might work! Jeanette Fischer, Western Cape, South Africa. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
[lace] There's never enough room!
Hi David A few years ago at a Congress in either Denmark or Germany we saw one of the suppliers working on a project which required some 4000 [continental] bobbins [not sure if my husband misunderstood the number when he asked how many - but there was an awful lot of them] - she managed them beautifully. Those not in use were slid into an implement shaped pretty much like a tuning fork [but with longer arms] the handle part was actually a long pin which was stuck into the pillow, holding the bobbins in a vertical stack. They were kept in order and pinned neatly like sentinals on her pillow and were kept out of the way while not in use. I have a number of similar holders [though not the version with the pin] which I use for my Suffolk bobbins, for Midlands bobbins I use slim metal knitting stitch holders which I can then stack on top of each other and secure with a long pin or two [ie a hat pin] to keep them out of the way. Nicky in Suffolk The thought came to me that there never seems to be enough room for all those bobbins - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace] There's never enough room
Dear All I am now definitely now 'thinking outside the box'. How about 'virtual lacemaking'. The younger generation (and probably some of the older ones) play various games etc on their computers. So has anyone thought of writing a programme for 'lacemaking'?It could be considered as progress Maureen E Yorks UK Where it is hot and sunny - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
RE: [lace] The Laughing Cavalier' Lace
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Re: [lace] There's never enough room
Dear Clay, So, I put my mind to it and designed wings. My DH cut the shape and engineered a way to attach it to the brass rod. Now, when I am working with a large number of bobbins, I can stack those not being used on the wings, on whichever side is appropriate. Then, the apron is clear for bobbins that are in use, and I don't have to bundle and unbundle nearly as often. I have some pictures of the big project on the Arachne Webshots page. You'll see various angles of the pillow and the wings - both empty and filled!! There were times when I had two piles of bundles on each side of the wings, with each pile being tied with a ribbon to hold them in place. I don't know the Christina pillow but from what you've written the amount of space provided would be equally guaranteed by my table top sized work area. When I need dozens of bobbins available to go back and forth across a leaf or flower, I lengthen the threads as much as 18 inches sometimes. Yet still I have stacks on either side in the wings so to speak, and get frustrated by the lack of room. As for picking them up, I find (when I even notice) that I usually pick them up using the spangles anyway, so I don't think narrowness of the bobbin shaft would worry me. They certainly would take twice as long to wind though. As far as your bobbin ideas, my own preference is that I like the organic nature of our bobbins. Oh, so do I. I talk to them, remember them when they were trees and tell them all about their spangles - LOL. David - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace] There's never enough room!
Dear Nicky, I have a number of similar holders [though not the version with the pin] which I use for my Suffolk bobbins, for Midlands bobbins I use slim metal knitting stitch holders which I can then stack on top of each other and secure with a long pin or two [ie a hat pin] to keep them out of the way. I used to do the same way back when, but then I invented an even better way by buying those too thin plastic coated metal coat hangers. Simply cut one in half either side of the hook and using pliers bend what was the straight bottom edge around to make it into a giant safety pin. When you load one of these up it takes about 18 pairs, but then you can slide them round the U shape at the end and get up to 25 pairs on each. They do not stand up vertically very well, but I often have 7 or so stacked horizontally on top of each other and if necessary use a hat pin to keep them out of the way. I cannot stress too strongly though that life was made a lot easier when I used the laws of physics and placed another hat pin at a 45 degree angle about an inch (2.5cm) out from the last pin on each edge of the lace. That way the threads don't get tangled in your pins and it also takes a lot of stress of the threads so they don't break. David in Ballarat, AUS Nicky in Suffolk The thought came to me that there never seems to be enough room for all those bobbins - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace] There's never enough room
Dear David, et al, I think the beauty of Clay's wings is that they are above the pillow. That enables the part under the wings to be used, and provides storage space above. Looking at her pictures, especially http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2427344170048870129FeIbLa it becomes apparent that there is a post behind the roller that supports the 'wings', making that part of the pillow a double decker. I know your pillow is table sized, you have a picture of it somewhere, but I'm not aware as to whether it is a block pillow. If it is, the post should be able to fit at the intersection of 4 pillow pieces, being anchored underneath by being attached to a large flat piece of something that fits under at least those 4 pieces of the pillow, if not more. you can then make the shelf as far above the actual work surface as you wish. So you can fan out pretty much to your heart's desire while storing the bundles above, out of the way. You'd probably have to enlist the aid of a metal worker, unless you are accomplished in that area. Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA, where it's hot, but I finished pruning the antique climbing rose. Now we can get into the garage without getting attacked. David wrote: I don't know the Christina pillow but from what you've written the amount of space provided would be equally guaranteed by my table top sized work area. When I need dozens of bobbins available to go back and forth across a leaf or flower, I lengthen the threads as much as 18 inches sometimes. Yet still I have stacks on either side in the wings so to speak, and get frustrated by the lack of room. Clay Blackwell wrote, So, I put my mind to it and designed wings. My DH cut the shape and engineered a way to attach it to the brass rod. Now, when I am working with a large number of bobbins, I can stack those not being used on the wings, on whichever side is appropriate. Then, the apron is clear for bobbins that are in use, and I don't have to bundle and unbundle nearly as often. My email sends out an automatic message. Arachne members, please ignore it. I read your emails. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace]-virtual lace
Dear Maureen, et al, How about this? Developing an app to go on the 'youngsters'' i-phone to make lace, so they can learn on their phone. Then, when they get better, do it for real? Instead of getting all confused with thread, learn the theory first, perhaps even through a game? There are computer gurus out there on this very list who, I am sure, would be able to do this. Don't know how much this would eat into their lacemaking time Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA, where the roses are pruned, and I'm up for a LARGE iced cappuccino. Good with lacemaking. Maureen wrote: To be honest, my suggestion was very much 'tongue in cheek'. I like to make lace and don't have problems with the number of bobbins etc even though I often have 100 plus pairs of bobbins on. But we are currently trying to get people nterested in lacemaking so maybe, just maybe, this would be a start. Lyn wrote Virtual lace is missing several components. Personally, I'm not willing to give those up, but perhaps youngsters...? My email sends out an automatic message. Arachne members, please ignore it. I read your emails. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
[lace] talking to bobbins, was There's never enough room
Dear David, I must admit I shy away from metal bobbins. Wooden bobbins feel better. When I was a new lacemaker, I gravitated to pretty shapes of Continental bobbins, but then moved to more traditional shapes. the old designs work better, I find. Feel better in the hand. While I like the wood bobbins, I am not really tempted to talk to them. But I think those who use Midlands, with the possibilities of slogans, and carvings, and hanging bobbins and the like, look on them more like individuals, remembering where they came from. Talking to such bobbins makes more sense, if that is possible. But if you tell your bobbins about when they were trees, do you also tell some of them about when they were cows? DH gave me the Twelve Days of Christmas bobbins, which I am using as gimp bobbins, very helpful, as I have the cheaper light-colored Binche bobbins, so the shiny black bobbins stand out. I don't talk to them, but I did try to put them in pairs by the numerical order. Partridge in a pear tree with two turtle doves. Do you find that it's easier to make lace if you talk to the bobbins? Do they get tangled less? Lyn from Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA Clay wrote: As far as your bobbin ideas, my own preference is that I like the organic nature of our bobbins. David wrote: Oh, so do I. I talk to them, remember them when they were trees and tell them all about their spangles - LOL. David My email sends out an automatic message. Arachne members, please ignore it. I read your emails. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace] talking to bobbins, was There's never enough room
Dear Lyn, But if you tell your bobbins about when they were trees, do you also tell some of them about when they were cows? Of course! And wonder where they lived and when etc. etc. Do you find that it's easier to make lace if you talk to the bobbins? Do they get tangled less? Not so much easier as more fun, and it does make the cat wonder who's here! Nope - they get tangled just as much I'm afraid David in Ballarat, AUS - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace] talking to bobbins, was There's never enough room
Lyn from Lancaster wrote: I must admit I shy away from metal bobbins. I must say that I just LOVE my aluminium (or aluminum if you are in N. America and perhaps other places in the world) bobbins. They feel sooo smooth and cool and they hold a lot of thread too. They were popular in the early '80's (marriage of Chuck and Di and birth of Prince William, and a couple of 1982 Lace days) and I think I got mine through Sebalace in Yorkshire who are no longer there as far as I know. Malvary - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
[lace] R: There's never enough room
David, I am behind (digest and a holiday here), but your idea is neat...just working out the details and modifications. The first thing that came to mind is a thumb tack at the bottom of a bobbin that would conjoin with the magnetic strip. But the only one I can think of it working on is the bottom (or side) of a square bobbin (as on the side or more standard styles, it could get caught and also provide a rough spot when removed and obvious damage to something of quality). Then the magnetized strip could be cut to host it and would sit at the bottom of the bobbins (or on the side), with grosgrain ribbon (or twill tape) glued with E6000 at the ends that could be pinned to the pillow if needed, or have loops that they could be hosted upon something (like a doweled holder...even holes could be punched into the magnetic strip itself). It would depend upon if they held, if they did it reliably, and without magnetizing pins, which are all pretty delicate adjustments. If more ideas come up, I will write. Best, Susan Reishus www.SusanReishusDesigns.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
[lace] there's never enough room
Lace makers find their own way of controlling bobbins: large safety pins, stackers, crocheted strips etc. I use 15cm strips of 10cm wide elastic, burn the ends with a match so they do not fray, lay them over about a dozen bobbins and put divider pins in both ends. I can stack them and put the divider pins through 5-6 layers. Do I talk to my bobbins? Not as much as my friend Sue does, she also strokes them as she talks to them. When my husband started to turn lace bobbins after a lot of pestering from me, I decided to start a lace bobbin collection of different woods from around the world. I buy from various bobbin makers and wood sellers too to add to my collection. To date I have 557 different woods, and another 198 on the list of woods in stock, but not yet turned. I protograph them, index them with details of name, species, place of origin etc. Agnes Boddington Elloughton UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
[lace] bobbins
Agnes It would be wonderful to post photographs of those bobbins on the internet. Hint hint. Lorelei - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace] bobbins
You mean all of them? Not sure how I would go about it. Btw: I just checked, and I have 565 different ones, not 557. Agnes Boddington Agnes It would be wonderful to post photographs of those bobbins on the internet. Hint hint. Lorelei - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
[lace] bobbins
Agnes I was thinking, all of them. But I'm laughing because I understand what a huge project that would be. I know it is wishful thinking. But if you ever get the urge, I think you would have a lot of viewers. Lorelei - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace] bobbins
That is for sure. Lyn Lorelei wrote: Agnes I was thinking, all of them. I know it is wishful thinking. But if you ever get the urge, I think you would have a lot of viewers. Lorelei - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
RE: [lace] talking to bobbins, was There's never enough room
David, I talk to my plants in the garden and tell them to grow and that they are beautiful, my family already think I'm mad and would really think I had flipped if I started talking to my bobbins as well. Sue M Harvey Norfolk UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace] bobbins
Lorelei wrote: Agnes I was thinking, all of them. But I'm laughing because I understand what a huge project that would be. I know it is wishful thinking. But if you ever get the urge, I think you would have a lot of viewers. Lorelei Why don't you choose 5 bobbins that you consider to be very interesting, or pretty, or important to you, take a photograph, and post the photograph on the Ning site _http://laceioli.ning.com/_ (http://laceioli.ning.com/) in the Tools and Equipment discussion group where I have posted the pictures of my tiny Valenciennes bobbins. I am sure that Lorelei will help you post it if necessary. Devon - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
RE: [lace] talking to bobbins, was There's never enough room
Hi Hi! My Godmother talked to her africian violets. They bloomed beautifully...except for 1. She spent extra time with this one. Still no blossoms or new leaves. Then she tried some reverse phychology on it. Telling it how ugly it was how beautiful all the other violets were. And if it didn't get any flowers that she was going to pull it out of the pot, stomp on it throw it in the trash. It took about 3 weeks it started to get buds. That violet bloomed for 2.5 years without going dorment! It works. On a lace making note: my bookmarks for the lace exchange will be goin out tomorrow. The postal website where you print postage was down. I'll try again tomorrow. Hugs, Susie Rose -- On Mon, May 28, 2012 3:09 PM PDT Sue wrote: David, I talk to my plants in the garden and tell them to grow and that they are beautiful, my family already think I'm mad and would really think I had flipped if I started talking to my bobbins as well. Sue M Harvey Norfolk UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace] There's never enough room
I'm not good at thinking up new ideas but I'm better at tweaking and critiquing. First off, the magnetic sheet doesn't need to cover the pillow, just the apron where the bobbins lay. This means there's no issue about pinning through the magnet. Second, the bobbins just need some part that'll be attracted to the magnet. If you're putting a rectangle on the bottom end to prevent rolling, the rectangle could be metal or have a metallic piece (or a snippet of magnetic sheet material like the apron) on one side of it. No reason the rest of the bobbin has to be metal. A thin wood dowel ought to work just as well as coathanger wire and be easier to make up. And wood will grip the thread beginning, making them much easier to wrap. The newer international bobbins that some US suppliers carry are quite a bit thinner than the earler versions. Like the earlier ones, they have a square section but it's not much thicker than Midlands bobbins (but don't need spangles). Granted, you're looking for something thinner than Midlands, but these are thinner than other continentals and take up a lot less room than spangled bobbins. An alternative magnetic bobbin is carriage bolts, if they come in a thin enough size for you. Carriage bolts are longer than most bolts, have a head (where the screwdriver goes) to keep the thread from pullling off the end, can have a nut screwed onto the bottom (instead of your rectangle), and have a short section without threads on which to wrap the thread. Being metal, though, they'd be just as difficult to wind as coathanger wire. I got a Christine-style pillow from Kathy Kirchner (Michigan, USA) a few years ago. I don't know if she still makes them, but if real Christine pillows are hard to find and are desireable, people could check with Kathy. She has a website but I don't know the URL. Last, a modification of Clay's wings. How about a transparent shelf (plexiglass? Perspex?, some other plastic?) above the work area? If the supports for the shelf are 'way out to the sides, you could have a double decker work area (maybe in addition to Clay's wings for storage?). If you're watching threads instead of bobbins (as we're supposed to), the fact that bobbins upstairs hide the ones downstairs may not be a problem. Robin P. Los Angeles, California, USA robinl...@socal.rr.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
[lace] There's never enough room
David, I was taught Never to pick up the bobbins by their spangles as that can wear and break the wire or thread - whatever - that holds the beads on. That is what the shank is for - for picking them up! :) As to stacking them up - I have seen people use the base of a plastic dish - like an ice cream tub, cut down to just about a one inch side, - on 3 sides, and no side at all on the 4th, and the bobbins sit in the tray, and they can be stacked one on another at the side of the working area. It seamed to work OK. Regards from Liz in grey, cold, Melbourne, Oz. lizl...@bigpond.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace] There's never enough room
And I was taught (way back when, with Norma Turner, Hi Norma) to use working cloths to support about 10 pairs at a time, stacking on top of each other to either side. One can stack an awful lot of bobbins that way. Cheers, Shirley T. - in wintry Adelaide, South Australia but I can curl up in a comfy chair with my OIDFA 30th Anniversary book and dream of all the lace I'm going to make. :-) As to stacking them up - I have seen people use the base of a plastic dish - like an ice cream tub, cut down to just about a one inch side, - on 3 sides, and no side at all on the 4th, and the bobbins sit in the tray, and they can be stacked one on another at the side of the working area. It seamed to work OK. Regards from Liz in grey, cold, Melbourne, Oz. lizl...@bigpond.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
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[lace] Spam on Lace list
I just got a (lace) message from a 'Criswell' that is Spam. If you got it also, delete. The message just refers you to a webpage. Don't bother with it. Alice in Oregon - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
