re: [lace] mezzo punto tapes-Diagonal weave?
I haven't gone through the entire Ning discussion, ,so apologies if this is not pertinent, but... in the early (16th C) lace, there are braids made entirely of TC and you can make them as wide as you like depending on the number of pairs. They can be made center-pointed by changing the order of pairs used. Where typically (especially those of us trained on Torchon :D ) we work left to right or vice versa in neat sequence (i.e. work pair one through all pairs before returning to the starting side), for a pointed TC braid you work pr 1+2, pr 3+4, pr 5+6 (for a 6 pair braid), then work 2+3, 4+5, and repeat these 2 rows to length required. When ready to end, then work only 3+4. This will give your point, and is surprisingly easy to keep the whole braid in tension at this point. I won't swear this is how your braid is made, but it an option. You can modify this to work in a more typical diagonal fashion, but while I can do it I'm not sure I can describe it - it basically is just, as you work for the point you do not work successive pairs at the end i.e. 1-6, then 1-5, then 1-4, etc. Don't know if that helps or not. the long tallies look a lot like my regular tallies - the straight parts are easy to tension, it's getting neat points that always messes me up :D Chris Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 16:59:45 -0400 > From: Devon Thein > Subject: [lace] mezzo punto tapes-Diagonal weave? > > The photos are posted at > http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history > > > I have been looking at some mezzo punto. Mezzo punto is made using a > premade tape, laying it in a shape, then filling and embellishing it with > needle lace stitches. Based on previous Arachne conversations I had been > going on the theory that the premade tapes were made using a small loom and > represented a time saving effort. That made sense when the tape looked like > that in the first photo. But, during todayâs examination I realized that > the tape which looked like a warp faced weave was actually a diagonal weave > (second photo). Continuing my examination, I found another piece where the > tape looked like it might even be different than the other two. (third > photo) This one seemed to have diagonal and horizontal lines causing me to > wonder about Lauraâs enticing reference to compressed half stitch. > > I think the diagonal weave (2) may be in many other pieces. But how was > this made? Is the only way to make it with bobbins? This seems very time > consuming, but people did consume a lot of time back in the 17th century > doing things like that. Thinking about Kimâs observations about braiding, I > looked at a book on braiding and realized it might be possible to make a > diagonal looking flat tape with a kumihimo device or a square device, > possibly tablet (or card) weaving. Would this be faster than with bobbins? > > I also found some discussion about making braid on something called a > âtrollen wheelâ, but this seems to be a discredited concept. > > Thoughts? > > Devon > -- Always proactively untwist octagonal hippopotomus pants. Ozy & Millie http://www.ozyandmillie.net/2000/om2809.html - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Recent Emails - Your turn to write
Just so you know, Jeri, I did (and generally do) appreciate your book review. Since I do my own work reconstructing the Elizabethan English laces, I don't generally bother looking for new resources - they are very few, compared to the greater body of lace work, and don't usually say anything I haven't already figured out. But now I know I want to look this one up,and to direct my students to when they want written resources. A long way to say, thank you for your work, Jeri. It *is* very appreciated, even if I don't always say so 'out loud'. Chris :) -- Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 10:57:39 -0500 (EST) From: jeria...@aol.com Subject: Re: [lace] Recent Emails - Your turn to write. When there was no mail last Friday, Nov. 1, I posted the Surface Decoration in Silk and Metallic Thread (by Gil Dye) book review at noon. There was nothing incoming after that during the weekend. 1,000+ members had an opportunity to comment, if it was of interest to them. Or to write on a new topic. Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace and Embroidery Resource Center - - -- Always proactively untwist octagonal hippopotomus pants. Ozy Millie http://www.ozyandmillie.net/2000/om2809.html - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Card exchange thank-you
I've been terribly remiss about this. I need to thank Aurelia for the lovely green and gold bobbinlace ornament she sent me. We didn't put up a tree this year (hubby and I will be in Las Vegas for Christmas) so the ornament has been gracing my cube at work. It'll join my other lace ornaments at home in January. And as I see from the list, she's already sent a scan of the ornament, which is almost as great a gift :D It takes me forever to get pictures off the camera and onto the web. I'm glad you will all be able to see it, it's quite pretty. Thanks again, Aurelia! Chris - and to all a happy holiday of your choosing!! A ship in port is safe, but that's not what ships are built for. -- Benazir Bhutto __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Holiday Ornaments and Native names
No, Chris, don't take offense. That surely doesn't represent the feeling of most of us textile-lovers. A knitted beauty, a tatted beauty, a crocheted beauty -- who wouldn't be happy to get one of those? And Tamara's idea of a textile tree has the typical obviousness of a genius-inspired idea: how didn't we think of it long ago? -- Aurelia Heh. I suspect my email also lost a bit in translation, as it were. I wasn't quite as put out (upset) as my message sounded, but my thanks to everyone who expressed their support of all the laces both privately and on the list. I think a lot of my reaction comes from the fact that what I do most is not considered 'true lace' by museums and such (Please let's NOT get into that discussion!!) and so I get a little twitchy. Sorry! :) But at least it got me to sign up for the exchange, which will inspire me to do something other than miles of BL edging. I'm really looking forward to this, and I don't even know what style I want to do! It is SO refreshing to hear the Native names, and pronounced (hopefully) as they once were. In Virginia, we have the Monacan, Seminole, Shenandoah, Rappahanock, Chincoteague, Assateague, and Puncateague, to name a few, Having grown up in Poughkeepsie (NY) I completely agree :) Chris - who only puts the tree up to show off ornaments these days :) A ship in port is safe, but that's not what ships are built for. -- Benazir Bhutto __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Christmas card exchange
I just had a thought that I don't want to spend a lot of time making a piece of BL if I only receive a card with a tatted snowflake. As a tatter I take a bit of offense at that - I can only hope it wasn't intended as a slight of my first and most often practiced lace. I rather get the impression that knitted and crocheted lace will also not be appreciated by some, so I truly hope that those who strongly care will indeed make a their preferences known. I'd hate to think that my love and care goes into somethign that will only disappoint its recipient. After all, we've had long discussions here (and on almost every fiber list I'm on) as to how many of us will not sell or often give away our lace as it is not fully appreciated by many people. On the other hand, as has been pointed out, this is a fantastic chance for some of the newer lacers to jump in - a smallish project with a deadline so that you can't fret over every perceived mistake and let a project languish for years (guess what *I* just unearthed? :D ) I haven't done an exchange in a while, but I think I'd enjoy this one. Yay! Chris - string geek and fiber-holic :) A ship in port is safe, but that's not what ships are built for. -- Benazir Bhutto __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: lilac tree branch
The tree guys were here yesterday to prune our trees. One of them is a lilac tree, ...I saved the trunk. It's 6 to 6 1/2 inches in diameter and 15 feet in length. It's thought to be 50 years old and the tree guy said it's disease free. Bobbin makers: do you think bobbins can be made out of it? Is anyone interested in having a piece? ::chuckle:: If you think you can chuck a piece of it from Alaska to Illinois I'd love to make some bobbins from it -- I don't think I'd be able to make it to Alaska any time soon :D Too bad; I'm just learning to fish, and the northlands would be a beautiful place to try my luck. Seriously, I have a tatting shuttle made of lilac. Some of the stripes yellowed or browned, some stayed a beautiful purple, and I think it ended up with more character as the colors changed. It was, I think, very young (not fully dry) and so the glue at the point didn't hold perfectly but it is still very servicable and lovely - I just woodglued the point layers back together. I'm sure you know, but be aware of how the wood can warp if it's not fully dried before it's carved. Whatever you do with it, enjoy! Chris - who prefers trees alive, but *really* appreciates the proper recycling of them :D A ship in port is safe, but that's not what ships are built for. -- Benazir Bhutto __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: intriguing item on ebay
Hi All, Came across the following listing on ebay today - anyone know what sort of lace they were used to make. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=106159item=6189147708rd=1 Best wishes Andrea in Cambridge, UK, where the sun is still shining. Being no sort of expert ;D I'd say those are the two sides to a pin wheel or pin disc - like http://tinyurl.com/7eexh - and a bunch of game sticks or something. I know we've seen them before, mislabeled as all sorts of needlework tools, but I can't for the life of me remember what was determined. There's simply too many of them to 'just' be stillettos. Drink stirs is still a good idea too :) Chris - who could use a drink right now ;) A ship in port is safe, but that's not what ships are built for. -- Benazir Bhutto Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Travel and customs
Something I haven't seen mentioned yet - although I admit, I've only skimmed the travel messages - are the luggage locks that are keyed so that US airport security can unlock it with one of several master keys. The locks are specifically marked so that TSA agents know they can be keyed open. My hubby and I used (no affiliation, etc.) Samsonite TSA locks to and from England last year and had no problems anywhere. I couldn't begin to guess if TSA-compatible locks are sold outside the USA, but of course there are online suppliers. In general, you can always lock your luggage in the US. It's just a question of whether it will be cut off if there is a need for inspection when you aren't there, or having keys handy if you are. Just thoughts. Chris - tatting lacey bits - we'll see if any of 'em are bookmarks :) A ship in port is safe, but that's not what ships are built for. -- Benazir Bhutto __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Lace Guild Advent Calendar competition
Has anyone successfully managed to send an entry to the Lace Guild Advent Calendar competition? I keep getting a form submission error - and am not certain if the problem is at my end or the web sites. I submitted my entry on the 28th. Seemed to go through okay, although I suppose one never knows for certain :) I use IE 6.0 from work. Sorry I can't help further. Chris = A ship in port is safe, but that's not what ships are built for. -- Benazir Bhutto __ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Christmas gifts
Truthfully, my lace gift has been to take a break from lace for a while :) Other than some quickie crochet ornaments back in November I haven't done anything lace related. I'm hoping the mental break will help me find a focus - I've had so many 'If Only' ideas running through my head that I can't get any one to the point of doing. So I'm finishing off some old projects, clearing up the random piles of sweater sleeves and half-done socks, freeing needles and putting bobbins away. I hope to have a project to start at the end of the week - New Year's Day seems appropriate for new works. Other than that, my hubby and I swore off gift giving this year. As hideously corny as it sounds, we're happy enough with each other that we didn't feel the need for anything more, and not stressing out over gifts was a gift itself (we tend to get what we need/want as it comes up, not wait for once or twice a year, so there's not much to give each other). It's strange to many or our friends, but it worked for us. A very happy Christmas was had :D Chris :) = A ship in port is safe, but that's not what ships are built for. -- Benazir Bhutto __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Magazine sharing
*snip snip* His reasoning, which I suppose is the norm in magazine world, is that the more people to whom the magazine is passed, the more secure the subscription. Mom, he claims, is not going to fail to renew her subscription if her daughter likes to read the magazine too. Well, you could have knocked me over with a feather, because we in the lace world have the opposite approach, ie. daughter should get her own subscription. Is that really how the lace world thinks? I can't for the life of me think why anyone should be expected to get two copies of a magazine for the household - Guild membership, sure, but that's more than the magazine. I think the Pennsylvania magazine guy was right. If I like 50% of what a magazine usually covers, I'll subscribe. If I like 25% of what's regularly in that publication, I'll never subscribe. If my (imaginary) daughter likes 25%, it's likely to be a different % and again we'll subscribe because we'll make enough use of the magazine between us to make it worth while. If my neighbor Betsy likes some part of the magazine as well but not enough to subscribe herself, and we regularly share it, then I'm a lot less likely to drop my subscription even if I don't care for what the magazine holds - the friendshp is worth the subscription, and the magazine at least gets one subscription instead of none. I'm actually thinking of cross-stitch and crochet magazines here, as those are what I've subscribed to, but I don't see why lace would be different. It's the same type of product from a pattern issue. Especially as magazines diversify more, and more similar ones come on the market trying to capture a niche, it becomes strangely important for each individual magazine to capture and keep it's own audience by diversifying towards the audience's extensions of family and friends. If that makes any sense. On the actual making of lace side of things, I think I've found my next project. I picked up a little torchon-ish doily pricking with minimal directions from a bargain bin last summer, and I think it's time to give it a whirl. It's as much an excuse to clear threads off of bobbins as anything else, but it's a good excercise in forging my own path from A to B within the framework of what the doily is 'supposed to' look like. And it'll be test to see if I like parts of it enough to make Christmas ornaments or some such from it. Adaptation I can do :) Chris :) ___ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] RE: linen (was cross-stitch fabric)
I'm really far from a lace expert but I must question your search for 'cheap' linen. I sew, weave, do lace etc and would never consider investing my time in inferior materials. If you plan to spend hours on a lace edge a very small part of the investment is the fabric you plan to trim. I'd vote for using the very best quality of fabric you can find. Your time and work is well worth the investment. Think silk purse and sow's ear. G Hear, Hear!! Although I'm hoping 'cheap' was meant only in price, not quality :) If you don't mind doing your own hemming work, I have had good luck with www.fabrics-store.com . No affiliation, satisfied customer, etc. But as was said, I wouldn't get cross-stitch linen unless you really need perfectly evenly woven fabric as it is generally much more expensive for the amount you get. Just my opinion - that and a dollar will get you coffee at the corner store, but there you go :) Chris = . |\_ Eagles may soar, (: _)Xbut weasels don't get |/ sucked into jet engines! ___ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Spidercloth raffle
Yay!! SPIDERS! *starts bouncing in over-tired joy (very long weekend) ... And I have to say that God must be listening even to atheists (amusement value?); I'd hoped most of the winners would come from the non-US area (ie, non-WalMart area), and they *did*... :) Well, for what little it's worth, the few times I've been in WallyWorld (Wallmart) I've looked for but never found any spider or lace related fabric. Maybe I just have exceptionally bad timing. But I wanted to reassure that there is at least some justice in picking the American. :D Frankly, I need the inspiration. I've been staring at a practice piece - I'm haphazardly working on how to do renaissance yardage freehand - but I'm feeling the need to have an actual project to work on start to finish. Time to go dig through the patterns and find something I like but never thought I could do - and then learn to do it! Chris - Don't mind me, I'm just very scatterbrained today :) = . |\_ Eagles may soar, (: _)Xbut weasels don't get |/ sucked into jet engines! __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re:[lace] historical lace
My apologies to those of you who wrote to let me know you have no interest in history or historical laces Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace and Embroidery Resource Center Oh please, all I *do* is historical lace!! Usually earlier than what gets mentioned on this list, but still... That's the information I love to have! To Jeri and all other spiders who drop interesting historical tidbits on this list, thank you so much, I truly appreciate it. I tend to stay quiet, but as others have said I take in all the wonderful information that is given here and keep it all locked away in my little brain, ready to pull out when the need arises. From information gained on this list I already have a direction of research as to where and when and how England's lace industry started from - if I can ever stop making lace and start searching :) Please keep teaching us the history of the art we all love. Even if it isn't what we need to know right now, it is all good to have for future information. Chris - dedicated information sponge :D = . |\_ Eagles may soar, (: _)Xbut weasels don't get |/ sucked into jet engines! __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: floss - long (how-to)
Either they use the same machinery running in reverse or he plain got it wrong! Don't know that this is the answer, but once on a time I got some wonderful large spools of cotton thread that had come from some old industrial sewing place. The place I bought from said (I'm paraphrasing) industrial sewing machines and hand sewers would use thread that was twisted one way (I'm guessing S), but that home sewing machines needed a thread twisted the opposite way (Z) because the thread was fed through differently than the industrials. Using the proper twist made the thread feed smoother and twist back on itself less while sewing. So his particular machine may just feed like an industrial. Seperating embroidery floss: I do this all the darn time with silk and rayon floss for tatting. What I do (your results *will* vary) is lay each individual strand of floss through a short comb, leaving a couple spaces between each strand. Put a rubber band or something around the top of the comb so the threads will feed through. Tape the free end of each strand to an empty paper towel roll or something you can wind th thread on. Pull a couple feet of floss free of the skein and clip it so it can't pull any more out. Letting the skein dangle so it can unwind, roll the thread through the comb onto your holder. There's a trick to getting the threads into an order that unwinds best, you essentially unspin the strands and lay them in order in the comb, but it comes with practice and isn't a big deal. Only do a couple feet at a time so the skein has room to unspin itself while you work. I find it easier to unply all the strands at once, then select however many I actually need and wind them onto my bobbin or shuttle or whatever as I need them. I have had great success with this. I actually use my fingers now instead of the comb, but it all works out with few tangles. Sorry it's so long, but I wanted to make sure this made some sense without pictures. If there's any questions let me know. Hope this helps someone. Chris :) = . |\_ Eagles may soar, (: _)Xbut weasels don't get |/ sucked into jet engines! __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] I need a new magazine subscription
Prompted by Tamara's announcement (You go, girl!) I'd like to run a question past y'all. I have a magazine subscription running out that I don't want to renew (they went from fun crochet to fashion, and I just don't do Fashion :P ) What would you recommend as the one lace publication/group to subscribe to? To help maybe narrow it down, I love patterns, don't fuss over traditional or not, self-taught but *very* proficient at Making Things Work, not real keen on part laces - Honiton and the like, but am not limited to bobbin lace by any stretch. If you can't pick one, do two and tell me why. And if it doesn't fit what I wrote above, tell me anyway. I'm willing to be wrong :) I know this question comes up now and again on the list, but I haven't needed the information til now (isn't that always the way?) I don't crochet much at all any more and have plenty of patterns to keep me busy. I've never subscribed to a lace magazine before and I'd really like to give it a try. Thanks for any info y'all can give me :) Chris - ready to expand my world (I'm in the US, should it matter ;D ) = . |\_ Eagles may soar, (: _)Xbut weasels don't get |/ sucked into jet engines! __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] re: A little knowledge . . .
... about that lovely linen collar, edged with Bedfordshire lace? Most of the laces I could not begin to put a name to and I hadn't thought to tape it. Finally was a scene where Richard is shown with his hand in the pockets of his breeches. I had a feeling that pockets were not fitted into clothing until a later date. Help. Jean in Cleveland U.K. Funny, this very show just came up on my Elizabethan Costumign list. I can't speak for the hanky; my understanding is stll that worked corners are later than 1620, but I haven't paid enough attention as I don't do hankies. The size doesn't bother me though. I *can* say that pockets are quite alright, a relatively new invention for the English, but there are extant examples of in-the-seam pockets from later Elizabethan. And without havign seen the actual show, I will say that much lace of the period has definite Bedfordshire/Cluny character. I have the woodcuts and portraits to prove it ;D I really need to see this show, now; I'm not a huge fan of Shakespeare's histories, but the scuttle-butt on the costuming list was that this was a visually excellant show. Chris - Glad to actually have a topic that speaks to my specialty :) = . |\_ Eagles may soar, (: _)Xbut weasels don't get |/ sucked into jet engines! __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
