Re: [lace] Battle of Britain lace
Good morning all Not The Battle of Britain I know, but I have a book called 'The story of Ma's Laces 1914-1918 written. Kerry and Carol Brooksbank in 2004 detailing how one lady dealt with the war in Belgium. The ISBN no is 0-901100-54-4. It was published by a company in Sheffield South Yorkshire but I don't think it is in print now. It is fascinating how Ma coped with the war through her lace. Brenda your book on threads is invaluable, thank you. Regards Maureen E Yorks UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Battle of Britain lace
Good morning Brenda The therapeutic benefits of lace are never ending, and now you give us all help with our threads Thank you Alex - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Battle of Britain lace
It was seeing one of those panels displayed in a shop window forty years ago that first inspired me to join a lacemaking class. I saw it in the window of a department store (Chiesmanâs) in Gravesend, Kent in 1985 and stood looking at it for as long as my 3 year old daughter would allow me to. I could see that it wasnât knitted, it wasnât crocheted and it wasnât conventional weaving, but I didnât have a clue as to how it might have been constructed. I had just had the second of two miscarriages that year and desperately wanted to do something creative. The local adult education service was offering bobbin lace classes so I signed up. If I couldnât make another baby then Iâd make some lace instead! I didnât quite learn how to make Nottingham lace but by the end of the first year in classes I was pregnant with the twins, and the rest is history. I think that the panel I was was probably the one now in Sheerness http://www.visit-swale.co.uk/things-to-do/history-and-heritage/battle-of-brit ain-lace-panel Brenda > On 19 Sep 2015, at 13:59, gil...@aol.com wrote: > > I know many lacemakers are interested in the Battle of Britain > Commemorative Lace Panels, despite their machine, rather than hand, origin, Brenda in Allhallows paternos...@appleshack.com www.brendapaternoster.co.uk - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Battle of Britain lace
Old correspondence about these panels was placed in my copy of the book by Bill Rowe, for the convenience of future researchers. At the time Bill Rowe (in England) wrote "The Battle of Britain in Lace" (about 2003), he noted 19 of 20 panels had been located. His book is quite comprehensive, and there is a lot in our Arachne archives, if anyone wishes to search Battle of Britain. http://www.mail-archive.com/lace@arachne.com/index.html Brian Farr wrote privately to some of us in 2008, and we have his email address from that old information. However, I will not publish it on the very public Arachne. Write privately, with a good explanation of why you need it, and I will attempt to forward your letter to him. In 2008, he had located 30 of what he thought were 38 panels. A reminder to travelers: There is a Battle of Britain memorial window in Westminster Abbey, which commemorates for all time the 1,495 names of the RAF, the Canadian, New Zealand, Australian, South African, Polish, Czech, Belgian and American aircrews who gave their lives so that Freedom would not die. It should be noted that the Battle was before America entered the war, so any Americans would have joined other forces to participate. Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace and Embroidery Resource Center -- In a message dated 9/19/2015 9:00:07 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gil...@aol.com writes: I know many lacemakers are interested in the Battle of Britain Commemorative Lace Panels, despite their machine, rather than hand, origin, so I thought I should pass on the rather scanty details of a new book on the subject that I was shown this week. The book records the location of all the known surviving examples of the panels with press cuttings and other back-up information, together with copies of photos that were the inspiration for many of illustrations in the panels. it was written by an Australian, Brian Farr, and self-published this year (2015). Part of the publication proceeds are going to The Aviation Heritage Museum, Bull Creek, Western Australia and I .am afraid this is the only contact given in the book. Gil - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Battle of Britain lace
I know many lacemakers are interested in the Battle of Britain Commemorative Lace Panels, despite their machine, rather than hand, origin, so I thought I should pass on the rather scanty details of a new book on the subject that I was shown this week. The book records the location of all the known surviving examples of the panels with press cuttings and other back-up information, together with copies of photos that were the inspiration for many of illustrations in the panels. The title is as the italics above, it was written by an Australian, Brian Farr, and self-published this year (2015). Part of the publication proceeds are going to The Aviation Heritage Museum, Bull Creek, Western Australia and I .am afraid this is the only contact given in the book. Gil In the North East of England, where the sun has finally found us. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Battle of Britain Lace Panel/value of machine made lace
Hello Devon, In my opinion the worth of machine-made lace is a very personel one. There are pieces who take your breathe away. Have you ever been in Le Puy and there in the museum ? There you found hundreds of old machine-made laces they look not only for the first but also for the seond and third look like handmade. They are so fine and beautiful that you couldn't say they are of no great worth even they have excist in greater amounts. Also the old Plauener-Ätzspitze, this are broderie-laces, look so fantastique. But museums in our country doesn't care of machine-made laces. And most people think only on the laces on our underwear which are simple ones. Greetings Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Battle of Britain lace panel
In The Lacemaker there is also a two page spread about the ExhibitioWest Wickham, n with one page of coloured photographs including one of Reg and Pam Sheppard. I haven't read the article yet (I'm not even washed and dressed BG) but it does give details of where to obtain the book. Battle of Britainin Lace is 10GBP plus PP from: Mr W. B. Rowe, 70, Sarjeant Court, Bencurtis Park, West Wickham, Kent, BR4 9QE. Tel: 020 8777 9565 Patricia in Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Battle of Britain lace panel
Did any of the UK spiders see flog it from Nottingham where they were talking to a lady who's family have run a lace museum and she had one of the Battle of Britain panels and was talking about it's history and the fact that the jacquard cards had been destroyed? OK - I'll go back into my cupboard now Liz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In The Lacemaker there is also a two page spread about the ExhibitioWest Wickham, n with one page of coloured photographs including one of Reg and Pam Sheppard. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Battle of Britain lace panel
In a message dated 12/31/03 1:56:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Did any of the UK spiders see flog it from Nottingham where they were talking to a lady who's family have run a lace museum and she had one of the Battle of Britain panels and was talking about it's history and the fact that the jacquard cards had been destroyed? --- Dear Lacemakers, I did not see the above referenced flog it(?). However, in August we had an extended conversation on Arachne about the Battle of Britain panels. At that time, I made Devon (The Ratti Center at the Metropolitan Museum) aware of a book by Sheila Mason, who is director of a large Levers and raschel lace manufacturing company in Ilkeston, Derbyshire, and an officer of the British Leavers Lace Manufacturers' Association. Mrs. Mason has a large collection of machine-made lace, which includes a Battle of Britain panel and other rare items. As a result, Devon was able to contact Mrs. Mason, and Mrs. Mason brought her panel to The Ratti in New York. There, it was possible for a number of lace students (some of whom are Arachnes) to spend a day viewing machine-made laces. The 381-page hardback book is Nottingham Lace 1760s-1950s ISBN 0-9524500-0-3, published in 1994 by Alan Sutton Publishing Ltd., Stroud, Glos. I purchased my copy of this book in Nottingham in 2001, during my trip to assess whether I'd attend 2002 OIDFA in Nottingham. Allowing for converting money, I estimate the book cost around $40 U.S. Newbies: So there is no confusion -- this entire discussion is about machine-made laces. Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace and Embroidery Resource Center - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Battle of Britain Lace Panel/value of machine made lace
When Sheila and John Mason visited the Ratti with the panel Mr. Mason mentioned that Sheila was to appear on Flog It. Mr. Mason's family has been machine lace manufacturers in Nottingham for about 8 generations and he has a wealth of information which he very kindly shared with us about machine made lace. Having been apprenticed at the age of 14 in the business he knows a great deal about lace manufacture in Nottingham generally. I hope they had as good a time as we did. However, an interesting question has arisen. What is the market value of exceptional machine made lace? I had originally contacted Sheila because I was contacted by a man who owns a panel called The Lace Merchant. It is a large machine made panel which comes with a parchment saying it won First Prize at the Worlds Fair in Lyon in 1893. This piece was pictured in a book by David Schwab, The Story of Lace and Handkerchiefs. The piece formerly belonged to Mr. Schwab. The owner thought it might be quite valuble and wanted to establish a value. Unfortunately we were unable to do this. Values attributable to handmade lace don't seem to apply and no one I talked to knew of anything to compare it to that had sold recently. A few telephone inquiries brought opinions varying from not worth much because it may have been mass produced, to I saw a documentary in which Quaker Lace tablecloths were being sold for $30,000 at auction. The Metropolitan Museum of Art also has a copy of this panel, but Sheila Mason had never seen it before. Our copy was donated by a well-known lace manufacturer. Sheila Mason felt the panel was produced only in very small quantity and thought it might be fairly valuble. It was made on a Pusher machine, which hasn't been used for a long time and is really quite an elaborate piece, being a single picture about 30 by 55. It shows a 18th century lace merchant showing lace to a lady. There are many different laces displayed, all reproduced by machine. However, even Sheila could not provide a monetary value, saying the only way to tell would be to put it up for auction. Machine lace is still emerging as a valuble entity and many museums don't even have machine made lace in their collections, although the Met has about 60 examples, some of them quite exceptional. One is a portrait of George Washington and one has a locomotive, light bulbs and all sorts of other symbols of progress on it. One depicts the Spirit of St. Louis and one has Charlie Chaplin and his dog on it. Does anybody have any thoughts about machine made lace and value as a collectible? Devon - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Battle of Britain Lace Panel/value of machine made lace
I have frequently heard, in the Art world as well as in the world of antiques and collectibles, that the value of something is determined by the price it will bring. That is the primary driving force in values. When there are many of a thing and they are sold often, it is easy to determine the value by tracking the sales. When the item is rare, the sale of one similar item may determine the other's value. Still, when Sotheby's or any other auction house puts something on the block, their guess is just that... and the final bid determines the value of the item. Something obscure may fetch a pretty penny by an enthusiastic bidder, who later finds (or his estate finds...) that no one else is interested in spending that kind of money. So the market is volatile, and it is fickle. For the owner of a rare piece of machine made lace this is a real problem. It would be difficult to find anyone who would insure such an item unless solid information could be produced regarding sales of similar items. And even if someone could produce a receipt for the purchase of an item, insurers would not necessarily take that as proof of its value. Best of luck... Clay - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 3:53 PM Subject: [lace] Battle of Britain Lace Panel/value of machine made lace When Sheila and John Mason visited the Ratti with the panel Mr. Mason mentioned that Sheila was to appear on Flog It. Mr. Mason's family has been machine lace manufacturers in Nottingham for about 8 generations and he has a wealth of information which he very kindly shared with us about machine made lace. Having been apprenticed at the age of 14 in the business he knows a great deal about lace manufacture in Nottingham generally. I hope they had as good a time as we did. However, an interesting question has arisen. What is the market value of exceptional machine made lace? I had originally contacted Sheila because I was contacted by a man who owns a panel called The Lace Merchant. It is a large machine made panel which comes with a parchment saying it won First Prize at the Worlds Fair in Lyon in 1893. This piece was pictured in a book by David Schwab, The Story of Lace and Handkerchiefs. The piece formerly belonged to Mr. Schwab. The owner thought it might be quite valuble and wanted to establish a value. Unfortunately we were unable to do this. Values attributable to handmade lace don't seem to apply and no one I talked to knew of anything to compare it to that had sold recently. A few telephone inquiries brought opinions varying from not worth much because it may have been mass produced, to I saw a documentary in which Quaker Lace tablecloths were being sold for $30,000 at auction. The Metropolitan Museum of Art also has a copy of this panel, but Sheila Mason had never seen it before. Our copy was donated by a well-known lace manufacturer. Sheila Mason felt the panel was produced only in very small quantity and thought it might be fairly valuble. It was made on a Pusher machine, which hasn't been used for a long time and is really quite an elaborate piece, being a single picture about 30 by 55. It shows a 18th century lace merchant showing lace to a lady. There are many different laces displayed, all reproduced by machine. However, even Sheila could not provide a monetary value, saying the only way to tell would be to put it up for auction. Machine lace is still emerging as a valuble entity and many museums don't even have machine made lace in their collections, although the Met has about 60 examples, some of them quite exceptional. One is a portrait of George Washington and one has a locomotive, light bulbs and all sorts of other symbols of progress on it. One depicts the Spirit of St. Louis and one has Charlie Chaplin and his dog on it. Does anybody have any thoughts about machine made lace and value as a collectible? Devon - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Battle of Britain Lace Panel/value of machine made lace
In a message dated 12/31/2003 4:41:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It would be difficult to find anyone who would insure such an item unless solid information could be produced regarding sales of similar items. And even if someone could produce a receipt for the purchase of an item, insurers would not necessarily take that as proof of its value. Does anyone have any information about sales of similar items? In fact, Sheila and John Mason bought the Battle of Britain panel at auction. It is insured for a rather hefty amount and their insurance company has very particular guidelines about how the property must be guarded which were all followed to the letter in New York. I have heard that there was a documentary about Quaker Lace tablecloths from which the $30,000 was quoted, but have been unable to find out anything else about it. I e-mailed Quaker Lace and received no reply. I have to assume that machine made lace is changing hands just like bakelite plastic, baseball cards and sardine labels, to name but a few things collected by my acquaintences. But I only seem to know of people who deal in handmade lace. Devon - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Battle of Britain Lace Panel
Hi Spiders Happy New Year to you all. Yes I did see Flog It, in fact I've got it on video, it was Sheila Mason who was interviewed and the panel shown in the programme was from the Mason Collection the same one that she took to the Ratti Centre at the Metropolitan Museum, and yes the jacard cards were destroyed after the run of panels required had been completed - see the previous article I wrote for The Lacemaker about the panel or visit www.suffolklacemakers.co.uk for more information. Nicky in Suffolk Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 04:02:08 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [lace] Battle of Britain lace panel In The Lacemaker there is also a two page spread about the ExhibitioWest Wickham, n with one page of coloured photographs including one of Reg and Pam Sheppard. I haven't read the article yet (I'm not even washed and dressed BG) but it does give details of where to obtain the book. Patricia in Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - From: Liz Beecher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [lace] Battle of Britain lace panel Did any of the UK spiders see flog it from Nottingham where they were talking to a lady who's family have run a lace museum and she had one of the Battle of Britain panels and was talking about it's history and the fact that the jacquard cards had been destroyed? OK - I'll go back into my cupboard now Liz I did not see the above referenced flog it(?). However, in August we had an extended conversation on Arachne about the Battle of Britain panels. At that time, I made Devon (The Ratti Center at the Metropolitan Museum) aware of a book by Sheila Mason, who is director of a large Levers and raschel lace manufacturing company in Ilkeston, Derbyshire, and an officer of the British Leavers Lace Manufacturers' Association. Mrs. Mason has a large collection of machine-made lace, which includes a Battle of Britain panel and other rare items. As a result, Devon was able to contact Mrs. Mason, and Mrs. Mason brought her panel to The Ratti in New York. There, it was possible for a number of lace students (some of whom are Arachnes) to spend a day viewing machine-made laces. The 381-page hardback book is Nottingham Lace 1760s-1950s ISBN 0-9524500-0-3, published in 1994 by Alan Sutton Publishing Ltd., Stroud, Glos. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
