Fw: [lace] Fan Making -- pattern shape
Mine definately is close to a full 180 deg. and obviously need to take the outer guards into account. I will keep looking out at designs I really like before I choose one to do. I have seem some I like more than others, but before I put all the work in, I have to decide which style pleases me most. You have all been a huge help, in teaching me and clearing my mind, so again, thank you. Sue T, Dorset I've got about a dozen fan patterns from various sources and they vary - a few are full semi- circles but most are a little less. I've made two lace fans, one is a Bridget Cook design for the small plastic sticks that Springetts used to sell, that pattern is about 2 degrees short of 180. The other was for my daughter's wedding and definitely was less than 180 degrees - adapted an existing pattern which fitted both inner and outer diameters of the sticks that I had but I took a small section out to match the number of sticks. Brenda On 14 Aug 2006, at 00:34, Alice Howell wrote: The leaf isn't usually a full semi-circle, its a bit less. I disagree.>> The *finished* fan isn't a semi-circle, but the - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Fan Making -- pattern shape
I've got about a dozen fan patterns from various sources and they vary - a few are full semi- circles but most are a little less. I've made two lace fans, one is a Bridget Cook design for the small plastic sticks that Springetts used to sell, that pattern is about 2 degrees short of 180. The other was for my daughter's wedding and definitely was less than 180 degrees - adapted an existing pattern which fitted both inner and outer diameters of the sticks that I had but I took a small section out to match the number of sticks. Brenda On 14 Aug 2006, at 00:34, Alice Howell wrote: The leaf isn't usually a full semi-circle, its a bit less. I disagree. The *finished* fan isn't a semi-circle, but the pattern IS. I just checked two books to confirm this. The leaf starts out a full semi-circle. It is gluing it to the sticks and pleating that uses up some of the length, as well as a bit of shrinkage when unpinning. Brenda http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Fan Making -- pattern shape
> The leaf isn't usually a full semi-circle, its a bit > less. I disagree. The *finished* fan isn't a semi-circle, but the pattern IS. I just checked two books to confirm this. The leaf starts out a full semi-circle. It is gluing it to the sticks and pleating that uses up some of the length, as well as a bit of shrinkage when unpinning. The sticks are pinned into the final shape which is a wide 'V' that's about 5-degrees less on each side from a semi-circle. Mark equal sections across the top of the lace (perhaps with a pin) where each stick will go. Glue the back guard, then each stick in order, except for the front guard. Support each glued stick/lace in position with pins. The lace will ruffle up a bit between the sticks since the lace starts out a bit wider than the stick placement. When the glue has dried (don't rush), unpin the fan and turn it over. Now you can glue the front guard. When dry, decide if you want the fan spread out all the time or pleated. If pleated, gently fold the lace between the sticks, one section at a time, then let the fan set folded for a time so the lace can get used to it. It is the extra bit of length between sticks that lets the lace curl around each stick for folding. When opened up again, this pleating remains and the lace seems to fit perfectly. If you plan to mount the fan, or frame it, you may want to leave it unpleated. Happy lacing, Alice in Oregon -- starting a wedding gift - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Fan Making - Use for trial lace
In a message dated 8/13/06 2:29:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > What I think might be a good idea too, at some time before I > make it, is to try working a small leaf piece and see if I like it before > working a whole fan and being unsatisfied with it. Worth the extra work I > think. > Anyway thank you for all this. > Sue T, Dorset UK > Sue, You might make enough lace to create the top layer of a jabot. The under layer could be of blouse fabric or net, to which you add a narrow piece of edging lace. In this way, your trial can be worn long before your fan is ready, and what a treat that will be. Add non-slippery ribbon to tie it on, and wear with any blouse. Another way to attach a jabot without damaging the lace with a pin is to gather it on to a short length of sturdy grosgrain ribbon, with extended grosgrain tabs at each end of the top folded back to points for strength. You can buttonhole stitch a circle eyelet in each tab, and pin a brooch through the holes. I have done this sort of thing with very fragile Carrickmacross lace. It is always best not to force a brooch pin through fine lace threads! Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace and Embroidery Resource Center - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Fan Making
Hello Sue I thought I had heard about it shrinking once off the pins and taking that into account, so I will store all this information to help guide me through the process. What I think might be a good idea too, at some time before I make it, is to try working a small leaf piece and see if I like it before working a whole fan and being unsatisfied with it. Worth the extra work I think. If you do that - and like the result - leave the sample to settle for a day or two then compare it to the pricking to see whether or not you need to slightly enlarge the final pricking. Brenda http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fw: [lace] Fan Making
Brenda, what a lovely lot of information, I did look in my lace fan book, but it didn't tell me nearly as much as this. I thought I had heard about it shrinking once off the pins and taking that into account, so I will store all this information to help guide me through the process. What I think might be a good idea too, at some time before I make it, is to try working a small leaf piece and see if I like it before working a whole fan and being unsatisfied with it. Worth the extra work I think. Anyway thank you for all this. Sue T, Dorset UK Hello Sue If you can get the silk leaf off in one (or not too many) piece use it as the template for your lace leaf. If that's not possible you'll have to calculate the size by measuring the sticks. Two concentric circles with centre at the pivot of the sticks. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Fan Making
Hello Sue If you can get the silk leaf off in one (or not too many) piece use it as the template for your lace leaf. If that's not possible you'll have to calculate the size by measuring the sticks. Two concentric circles with centre at the pivot of the sticks. Outer circle just slightly wider than the ends of the sticks, inner circle measured to the point where the wider decorative part of the stick joins the narrow part, allowing for the lace to completely cover the plainer parts of the sticks. The leaf isn't usually a full semi-circle, its a bit less. Lay the sticks out so that the decorative part of each one just touches the next one to work out the angle of the ends - remember that the lace has to cover both of the end guard sticks. Bobbin lace shrinks a fraction when the pins are removed, so be aware of that - you might want to enlarge the final pattern by 2 or 3%. Point Ground with lots of twists doesn't shrink much but more open designs might shrink more. Also it's my experience that fine lace shrinks less than coarse lace. (Torchon scarves etc worked with knitting yarns loose about 10% of the pricking width) I'll leave advice about cleaning bone sticks to someone else! Brenda On 13 Aug 2006, at 14:19, Sue wrote: Are there any sensible tips I should follow about getting the right span measurement in the first place (do I measure when it is stretched taut) and once the silk is off what should I do with the bone sticks to make sure they are clean before I add lace to them. Brenda http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Fan Making
Jo, I totally agree with you. The lace should be designed so that there is a stick at the same place in each pattern repeat. I remember hearing Christine Springett talking about fans some time ago and she said that white and pale coloured lace fans should be mounted onto dark coloured sticks, and black lace onto pale coloured sticks. The reason for this is to minimise the appearance of the sticks - white lace is likely to be displayed against a dark background whilst black will be best seen against a light background. Brenda On 12 Aug 2006, at 19:18, Jo Falkink wrote: I've seen too many fans with repeats that don't match the fan sticks. The beautifull lace then gets destroyed by the too visible and distracting sticks. In my oppinion the sticks should enforce the pattern. Brenda http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Fan Making
http://www.kloeppelinfo.de/1024/HTML/index.html -> meine galerie shows a circulair mat that would be perfect for a fan. I've seen too many fans with repeats that don't match the fan sticks. The beautifull lace then gets destroyed by the too visible and distracting sticks. In my oppinion the sticks should enforce the pattern. Jo Falkink near Gouda, Netherlands with updated and cleaned up link pages http://www.xs4all.nl/~falkink/lace/linknew-EN.html - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Fan Making
Hello all I don't understand why my messages don't come through, so I try with a reply. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Fan Making
I found some fans complete with (Torchon afaik) patterns here: http://www.langendorfkloeppel.de/prodeut/produkt/faecher_d.htm Too bad I just began lacing - one of those would be a nice Xmas present for my mother. Has to wait another year or two, I guess ;-) I you need a translation of the descriptions, just let me know - only the main page of the shop seems to be available in English. Best, Achim. Am 11.08.2006 um 18:19 schrieb Alice Howell: Just another quick comment. The fans in Louise Colgans's Fan book are sized to fit John Aebi's small fan sticks. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Fan Making
Just another quick comment. The fans in Louise Colgans's Fan book are sized to fit John Aebi's small fan sticks. The fans come with two extra of the small interior sticks, just in case you break one, so don't think you have to use all of them. Fit the pattern of your lace with the placement of the sticks. If you are re-using old sticks, you may not be able to remove any and have to use them all. In that case, you might have to make the lace to suit the number of sticks. Have a good day. Alice - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Fan Making
I have made a number of fans using fan sticks taken from inexpensive fans bought in tourist shops especially in Spain. Whilst they are only plastic or cheap wood they do look nice when made up with your own lace and you can always move onto better quality fan sticks when you become more experienced in fan making. Best wishes Ann - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Fan Making
- Original Message - From: Alice Howell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I suggest you go to Lacefairy on the web. She has > four sources listed with the one in the USA being John > Aebi of Indiana. He does not have a webpage that I > can find, but there is an email address listed. He makes lovely fansticks, like his other wood products. They're not super fancy like some makers, the inner sticks are plain. But he uses beautiful wood for the guards and it's sanded to the feel of bridal satin. I have a set with birds-eye maple guards, waiting for the time I tackle making a "real" fan. I made one fan many years ago when I was a beginner. It was a kit from Snowgoose and the fan was made in two parallel strips so you weren't dealing with huge gobs of bobbins (only 30 or so pairs each strip, as I remember). And it was a really easy pattern--torchon ground with diamonds of rose ground. When I started BL, my mom asked me when I was going to make her a lace fan, so I did. She was thrilled, even though I'm a bit embarassed now to call it a lace fan. Now I'd like to try something less simplistic, so I bought Aebi's fansticks to someday give it a try. Robin P. Los Angeles, California, USA (formerly Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Fan Making
I suggest you go to Lacefairy on the web. She has four sources listed with the one in the USA being John Aebi of Indiana. He does not have a webpage that I can find, but there is an email address listed. Lacefairy also has 2 sources in England and one in Ireland. I know fansticks are made in Spain, but I don't have the source for them. Check with your lace dealers. They may know of a source, also. Alice in Oregon --- Barbara Joyce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alice said: > > > Word of warningget your fan sticks FIRST, and > size your pattern to fit. There's many a fan leaf > waiting for the right size sticks. > > How do I go about getting fan sticks that > are approximately the right size for this pattern? > Does anyone know of any > sources for pretty fan sticks? - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Fan Making
Alice said: > Word of warningget your fan sticks FIRST, and size > your pattern to fit. There's many a fan leaf waiting > for the right size sticks. OK, right, that makes perfect sense. I have a beautiful Bucks pattern for a fan that I'd really love to do. How do I go about getting fan sticks that are approximately the right size for this pattern? Does anyone know of any sources for pretty fan sticks? (I know I can re-size the pattern, but I'd really rather get sticks that fit it--or are at least close--can you blame me?) ;-) Barbara Joyce Snoqualmie, WA USA - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Fan Making -- time
Alice, I notice that you don't mention pulling out hair time. ;-) In my own case, I don't really want it to finish up fast -- why in the world would I do lacemaking if that were the case. But I do love making fans, and every one has been worth the effort! What's a Witch Stitch? Carolyn > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alice > Howell > > > You will note that my previous message did not give a > reference to 'time'. I only said it was possible to > make a fan -- same as a handkerchief, or collar, or > table ribbon, or ornament, or..or..oranything. > > Time involves thinking time, prep time, working time, > taking it out and doing it again time, finishing time, > and just staring lovingly at it as it grows time. > > I find that projects either take more time than I > expected, or less time, which gives me a surprise. > Always give yourself at least 3 times longer than you > think you should need if you are making lace for a > special occasion. Then you shouldn't panic. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Fan Making -- time
> As long as you don't look at a lovely miniature fan > and think for one single > moment "Oh, that won't take long since it's so > small"!!! That definitely > doesn't work! You will note that my previous message did not give a reference to 'time'. I only said it was possible to make a fan -- same as a handkerchief, or collar, or table ribbon, or ornament, or..or..oranything. Time involves thinking time, prep time, working time, taking it out and doing it again time, finishing time, and just staring lovingly at it as it grows time. I find that projects either take more time than I expected, or less time, which gives me a surprise. Always give yourself at least 3 times longer than you think you should need if you are making lace for a special occasion. Then you shouldn't panic. Now that I've said that, I need a wedding gift in two months. I just gave the bride (who's marrying my nephew) 4 choices of lace items. I'll make the one she picks. Hope she decides soon so I can get started. I probably shocked the heck out of her with my email since she's never met me and probably doesn't even know there's a lacemaker in the family. Both nephew and bride have fully functioning houses so they don't need any of the more normal wedding gifts. My nephew is too dazed to know what's happening, so I'll cater to the bride--who's been described as a real sweet lady. Back to the subject -- your fan of choice may not be quick nor easy, but if you really want to make it, you can. Alice in Oregon -- who has a Witch Stitch fan pattern that is begging to be made. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Fan Making
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alice > Howell > Sure you can! Many people have. Fans come in many > sizes As long as you don't look at a lovely miniature fan and think for one single moment "Oh, that won't take long since it's so small"!!! That definitely doesn't work! Carolyn Carolyn Hastings Stow, MA USA Maker of four and a half fans (the last half is the miniature and will probably take longer than two normal size fans) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Fan Making
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And then you start to > think: . . . could I make a > lace fan? . . . possibly finish it in my lifetime? . > . . hmmm. . . Sure you can! Many people have. Fans come in many sizes. It doesn't have to be the biggest size. And fans are made in many styles of lace. There are patterns in different books. There are books with only fans in them. A fan leaf is half of a wide circular edging. It would be no harder than a handkerchief edging, just curved. Word of warningget your fan sticks FIRST, and size your pattern to fit. There's many a fan leaf waiting for the right size sticks. Try Louise Colgan's "Bobbin Lace Fans" for four styles of fans than can be done by an intermediate lacemaker. I made one from that book last year that's going to the state fair next week. (Just a happy customer. I get no profit from promoting the book.) If making a fan is your dream, go after it. You CAN do it. Happy lacing, Alice in Oregon -- where I just remembered I need a wedding gift in two months. Must get started. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
