[lace-chat] funny title!
I just had a giggle at work today. I work as librarian in a public (city) library, and someone rang up this morning to ask whether we had a book she'd read about in the weekend newspaper. The book sounds quite OK, but the title is... "The missionary position" it has a subtitle (which I have already forgotten!) something about Mother Teresa and her work, which I'm sure makes it a very worthy book, but I couldn't prevent myself from thinking about all those dirty old men ripping it from the bookshop shelves without glancing at the subtitleWouldn't you think the editopr could have given the author a hint, or don't young people know about that anymore? Yours in chuckles, = Helene, the froggy from Melbourne http://personals.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Personals New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Argumentative
> I'm argumentative by nature, and I *like* a well-reasoned argument, > whether I agree with the final "findings" or not; it's the beauty of > looking at something (anything: lace problem, philosophical problem, > language/thought process relationship, a twig) from more than one angle > that appeals to me... > > Tamara P Duvall Wow - so I'm not the only one! I too love well-reasoned argument, and get very frustrated by the sloppy way many things are discussed these days in public, in newspapers and so on. But I'm always getting into trouble for it - do you? I've often been chided for being argumentative, picky or pedantic. So I've begun to learn to shut up. Since I'm also naturally somewhat tactless (for example, I said something here a few weeks ago that I realised later I shouldn't have said), perhaps I should say nothing at all! When I did jury service many years ago, I was shocked at how poor many of my fellow jurors' reasoning skills were. Some people didn't seem able to analyse and sift the evidence, to work out what was important and what was relevant etc. They were often judging purely on gut instinct, on whether they thought the defendant looked guilty. One case involved a young man and a couple of policemen. His sister gave evidence on his behalf and make a complete mess of her story. The questioning wasn't particularly aggressive, but she couldn't get her facts straight and was contradicting herself all over the place. It seemed to me that she had been coached to give a certain version of events that my well not have been true, and couldn't remember it properly. There was other evidence that suggested she couldn't have seen what she saw. I happened to look at the defence barrister while this was going on, and he was hanging his head in his hands. He clearly thought the case was lost. But most of the other jurors felt sorry for the young woman and thought she was just nervous and they wouldn't consider that she might have been lying. So he was found not guilty. I still don't know for sure where the truth lay - probably somewhere between the defendant's version and the police's version. But it was the way the jurors decided the case almost entirely on their feelings for the sister that shocked me. Annette in London To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Argumentative
>>Wow - so I'm not the only one! I too love well-reasoned argument, and get very frustrated by the sloppy way many things are discussed these days in public, in newspapers and so on.<< I think I've put my foot in it again... I didn't mean to suggest that Tamara and I are the only ones who like a well-reasoned argument! One of the things I like about Arachne is the level of discussions here. It makes a refreshing change from many other mailing lists, newsgroups and discussion forums I've belonged to in the past. Regards, Annette, London To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Direction of the sun
Clay wrote: >Yes, Jean - but the same hold true in the Northern > Hemisphere! If you stand looking south, the sun will rise > on your left and set on your right. If you look north, the > opposite holds true. Same as in Oz - correct?> Not correct. This time of year, if I look north I won't see the sun because it's so low on the southern horizon. It's even lower in the north of the country. I can only see it of I look south. In the mornings when most people are driving to work, it causes all sorts of problems because it's straight ahead of you and quite blinding if you're driving in the appropriate direction. In winter I hated one job I had because I was driving with the sun coming in at eye level through one of the car windows both going to work (easterly) and coming home (westerly). Even in the height of summer, if I look north, it's still behind my head for most of the day. My sundial wouldn't work if it wasn't, which, before anyone comments, has the correct angle for the gnomon for our latitude and is adjusted twice a year for British Summer Time. My peripheral vision is good enough so I could see the sun for a while on my right after sunrise and on my left before sunset, but only see my shadow for most of the day. Jean in Poole To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Funny title!
Helene wrote: What an ingenious way of selling more copies! Perhaps sought-after out-of-print lace books/prickings (like "Further Steps in Honiton Lace", "Miss Channer's Mat") should be renamed to make the unsuspecting clamour for them. I'm not clever enugh to think up an appropriate new name, but I'm sure some of you are. Jean in Poole To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] closet weight-training lacemakers
Avital, 5'0" is only scary if it is your waist measurement Regards Liz In an email dated Wed, 12 Nov 2003 4:51:09 am GMT, "Avital Pinnick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >Oh, yeah, at 5' 0", I'm really scary! > >Avital, >who really needs to go back to strength training > To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Secret Pal Thanks
Dear Secret Pal, Thank you very much for the wonderful pillow bag, I saw one a few weeks ago very similar and thought I would make one someday, but thanks to a very kind secret pal I now can spend more time making lace. The material you used is very nice and beautifully made and in my favourite colour, I feel very lucky. I can't wait to go to the next lace meeting on Tuesday to show it off. You asked if I collect anything, I have a small collection of little witches the uglier the better. Thank you Faye Owers Shearwater Tasmania Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Secret Pal
Hello to my new Secret Pal in Australia Thank you so much for the gifts, it was a delight to open all the little parcels. The beads will be used to spangle some awaiting bobbins, the threads are very pretty, nice fine gimps perhaps, and I love the little book on chocolate - mouthwatering. I shall use the scarf as a cover cloth on my pillow. Despite the clues in your card your identity is very much a secret. Thank you so much, I shall look forward to the postman calling next month! Nicky living not too far from Southwold in a very dull grey Suffolk. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] closet weight-training lacemakers
Or my shoe size Sasquatch-ital Original Message: - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Avital, 5'0" is only scary if it is your waist measurement Regards Liz mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] exercise/wellness web site
Hello Avital, Thank you for sharing the wellness web site. Being an active person who enjoys walking, among other activities, I have much to learn about the use of weights and the prevention of osteoporosis. After a day of work, a length of time making lace, or sewing, there is always a need for physical activity. Sylvie Nguyen Cherry Valley, Illinois, USA __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] ozzies are tough cookies !
hi all i just heard on tv that there were grey wallabies roaming in Rambouillet forest near Paris .. they escaped unnoticed from an animal park some thirty years ago and found the place was alright for breeding ... made me giggle no end .. especially when they interviewed a driver who just couldn't believe what he had seen ... and they said some hunters mistake them for rabbits. now you know why french people don't go for walks in forest during the shooting season : just being cautious ;-)). if people can mistake a wallaby that practices long jump with a rabbit and its 30cm long jump, humans just don't stand a chance! dominique from wet wet wet Paris ... it's been drizzling for hours . To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: Left/right/north/south
At 08:31 AM 11/11/03 -, Jean Nathan wrote: >How do people who have 'east/west' problems cope in US cities where streets >have names like "East 54th Street"? And then out of the cities, we have names like County Road West 1230 North. (The west end of an east-west road 12.3 miles north of the courthouse.) Having grown up on graph paper, I'm rather surprised that I didn't have any trouble navigating during our thirty years west of Albany, New York, where all the roads twist and wind, and there's usually only one way to get from here to there. It helped a lot that there were three transmission towers on the hill above my house. -- Joy Beeson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~joybeeson/ http://home.earthlink.net/~beeson_n3f/ west of Fort Wayne, Indiana, U.S.A. where it's cold and wet. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Looking for Rooster Pattern
I remember reading about a Rooster Pattern in on of Bridget Cooks books. Can someone tell me what book this would be? thanks, SueW Morrisonville, NY To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Thank You Secret Pal!
Dear Secret Pal ... Here I was this morning, taking everything out of my kitchen cabinets, sorting through what to keep & what to throw away, washing the shelves, etc. (getting a jump on the Christmas cleaning) when I heard the mailman & went out to find a package from you! Thank you so much for all the goodies! (I'm eating one of the chocolates as I write!) Yes, replenishing my lace supplies is going to be quite a chore (& an expensive one at that!), but it will be fun, too! Right now I'm working on a card edging & I am totally lost. I've unlaced it & relaced it twice already but still think I'm making a mistake somewhere. Ah well, this is how we learn ... or relearn in my case :) Thank you so much for such a generous package & I hope that you & yours will have a wonderful Thanksgiving! Shirlee To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] east-west (where am I)
Hi everyone and Rose-Marie I don't know where exactly in the Fraser Valley you are (it is a Big Valley), if it helps any, when my DH and I were in the Richmond area (which I believe is referred to as part of the Delta) a little while ago both of us were disoriented. If I was in Vancouver proper, I would look for the mountains on the 'North Shore' and 'know' where I was. My DH has an uncanny sense of direction, but when he is disoriented, that's bad - it's on account of the flatness where we were, and in the middle of the 'burbs on a cloudy day where there is no significant landmark. Couldn't see the sun to get a bearing - eek. Probably if we lived there we'd sooner or later figure out where we were (heh heh) but we relied on the road map mostly, on that day. If you're surrounded by mountains, it can be just as confusing. Nonetheless, the whole of the Lower Mainland is a beautiful place. -- bye for now Bev in Sooke, BC (west coast of Canada) To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Sun overhead?
I'm too far north for the sun to rise in the east in November. :) The sun goes south for the winter, just like a lot of people here. No, no, I'm not saying it *rises* in the south, but it does rise distinctly "south of east". And as for overhead -- no, no, here in the north it's much lower in the sky as we head into winter. If I face west, at noon if I look straight up, I see sky. To see the sun (well, assuming we don't have a thick gray cloud layer) at noon in the northern winter, if I am facing west, I have to turn my head to the left. The only time I am going to see the sun straight overhead at noon is the vernal (spring) and autumnal equinoxes. At the two extremes, in the winter at the solstice, the sun "souths". On the summer solstice, it is to the north at noon. Lynn Carpenter in SW Michigan, USA alwen at i2k dot com I might not know left from right without checking my thumb, but I can tell you where the sun is! To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Left/right/north/south
Joy Beeson writes > Having grown up on graph paper, I'm rather surprised that I didn't have any > trouble navigating You should try Canberra, which is built on circular roads.I was visiting a doctor there recently, and wanted to visit a friend about a mile away to the north of the surgery. But as that involved a maze of roads, I opted for the simpler route of turning south, and linking up with a major road that would curve around to the east then back west and end up very close to where I wanted to go. According to the street directory, that is. I never did find the major road, but some 10 minutes later I found myself at the intersection of the street where I wanted to get to, without ever having been on the major loop road! Since then, we've nicknamed my car the Tardis! I don't know how many times I've headed out there for somewhere new, and found myself either suddenly in the heart of the city, or just travelling in circles. The place is just like the garden in Alice in Wonderland. The only way to get anywhere is to head off in the opposite direction! Noelene in Cooma About to tackle Canberra again today - good thing I actually know where I've got to get to. A craft shop I only recently found my way to, way on the far side of Canberra to Cooma, but which is about to close down! Another craft shop lost to us. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~nlafferty/ To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] closet weight-training lacemakers
Hi everyone and Avital who wrote: > Oh, yeah, at 5' 0", I'm really scary! actually with a 5 kg. dbell you would be scary - I'm impressed! I get a good work feebly holding 5 lb. in each hand, at arm's length... (up, down, swivel the chair, out and back..so as to avoid knocking a hole in the monitor, LOL) The bells are to one side of the chair, nestled each in something convenient - otherwise they roll-y away unannounced, or somebody trips on them. -- bye for now Bev in Sooke, BC (west coast of Canada) off for the weight-bearing exercise of the day (aka a brisk walk) To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Canberra and Croydon
Have you tried Croydon?! Whenever I go there, (which is not often!) I memorise where I'm supposed to go on the map, and when I get there, I find the place bears absolutely no relationship to the map whatsoever. It's as if the people who drew up the A-Z thought the place was so complicated they might as well invent the streets they put in the A-Z. Last time I went there, it took me an hour to get home - a journey that should have taken 15-20 minutes at that time of night. At one point I found myself heading out of town for the motorway. Please don't mention the circular roads to Croydon Borough Council - it's the one horror they haven't yet inflicted on Croydon! Regards, Annette in London, only a few miles from Croydon, but will NEVER go there again > You should try Canberra, which is built on circular roads.I was visiting a > doctor there recently, and wanted to visit a friend about a mile away to the > north of the surgery. But as that involved a maze of roads, I opted for the > simpler route of turning south, and linking up with a major road that would > curve around to the east then back west and end up very close to where I > wanted to go. According to the street directory, that is. > > I never did find the major road, but some 10 minutes later I found myself > at the intersection of the street where I wanted to get to, without ever having > been on the major loop road! Since then, we've nicknamed my car the > Tardis! > > I don't know how many times I've headed out there for somewhere new, and > found myself either suddenly in the heart of the city, or just travelling in > circles. The place is just like the garden in Alice in Wonderland. The only > way to get anywhere is to head off in the opposite direction! > > Noelene in Cooma To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] "Dirty" book about Mother Theresa
> I just had a giggle at work today. I work as librarian in a public (city) > library, and someone rang up this morning to ask whether we had a book she'd > read about in the weekend newspaper. The book sounds quite OK, but the title > is... "The missionary position" it has a subtitle (which I have already > forgotten!) something about Mother Teresa and her work, which I'm sure makes it > a very worthy book, ... > Yours in chuckles, > = > Helene, the froggy from Melbourne It's not worthy at all, if it's the one I'm thinking of! I think it's Christopher Hitchens' book, and it's highly critical of Mother Theresa. Still, it's a bit more exciting for the dirty old men who pick it up in error than if it really were a hagiography of MT! Regards, Annette in London To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] looney toons
Hi everyone (and Heather, congrats on the good mark) There have been several movies that combine live action with animation. 'Who Framed Roger Rabbit' is the best, IMO - 'SpaceJam' was less successful. WFRR is full of homage to the cartoon/animation industry. The decline in popularity of Wile E. Coyote & Co. was more a generational thing - a backlash against what interested the immediate 'older generation' - there was as much cartoon violence in the 80's but it wasn't as obvious. The left-of-right undertones behind W.E.C. would not be appreciated either. In the industry and in the arts, Warner Bros. animation is held in high esteem (I noticed a reference in the documentary on 'Finding Nemo') - and it is truly art, not simple entertainment, and not intentionally, or necessarily, child-oriented. Disney worked hard on that angle - thus there might be confusion that Warner Bros. was marketing to children, which might be the case now, but wasn't always so. A neat thing about the old cartoons was the skittering on the screen set to classical music. -- bye for now Bev, who should be doing other things, in sunny Sooke, BC (west coast of Canada) To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] "Dirty" book about Mother Theresa
Annette: well. not to get a flaming, bickering thread going but Equal time for the opposing view: there are plenty of us in the world who don't have a high opinon of MT. You wrote: "It's not worthy at all, if it's the one I'm thinking of! I think it's Christopher Hitchens' book, and it's highly critical of Mother Theresa." Sue Ellen To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] left/right/north
Noelene, Thanks for bringing back the "fond" memories of driving around Canberra. I reckon it's the only place you haven't been to, if you haven't been lost there! I even got lost in a parking lot there! :-) But by getting lost there, one can discover some wonderful little 'gems' - I remember on time I was there with my folks, and Mum and I went sightseeing, and we could see which road and direction of traffic we wanted to be on, but couldn't figure out how to get to it, and I think we ended up on the grounds of ANU (Australia National Uni), and discovered a little museum in a very early pioneer's house. Fascinating. Cheers, Helen, Aussie living in chilly Denver To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Lace magazine
Nope, not yet - haven't seen the RMLG's copy of English Lace :-( Cheers, Helen, Aussie living in Denver To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Canberra and Croydon
Gentle Spiders, I have been working with a lady who has just moved to london from Liverpool. She had to go to Croydon and claims that after 2 hours she never did find the road she was looking for. Another friend refers to the place as Creepy Croydon. I understand why now. My advice to anyone who intends to go there - make the meeting elsewhere. Liz In a message dated 12/11/2003 19:53:59 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Have you tried Croydon?! Whenever I go there, (which is not often!) I > memorise where I'm supposed to go on the map, and when I get there, I find > the place bears absolutely no relationship to the map whatsoever. It's as > if the people who drew up the A-Z thought the place was so complicated they > might as well invent the streets they put in the A-Z. Last time I went > there, it took me an hour to get home - a journey that should have taken > 15-20 minutes at that time of night. At one point I found myself heading > out of town for the motorway. > > Please don't mention the circular roads to Croydon Borough Council - it's > the one horror they haven't yet inflicted on Croydon! > > Regards, > Annette in London, only a few miles from Croydon, but will NEVER go there > again Regards Liz Beecher I'm http://journals.aol.com/thelacebee/thelacebee";>blogging now - see what it's all about To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] looney toons
In a message dated 12/11/2003 19:54:56 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > There have been several movies that combine live action with animation. > 'Who Framed Roger Rabbit' is the best, IMO - 'SpaceJam' was less > successful. WFRR is full of homage to the cartoon/animation industry. Bev, I love the line in 'Who Framed Roger Rabbit' where he takes his hands out of the handcuffs and holds the cuffs down whilst Bob Hoskins tries to saw through them to seperate the two of them. Hoskins says, 'could you have done that anytime' and Roger replies, straight faced, 'Oh no, only when it was funny'. My other favourite line is when Jessica is asked why she loves Roger and she says simply, 'because he makes me laugh'. It is a truely funny and innovative film. Regards Liz Beecher I'm http://journals.aol.com/thelacebee/thelacebee";>blogging now - see what it's all about To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Secret Pal Thanks
Dear Secret Pal Many thanks for your package which arrived yesterday. The chocolates were delicious, the bobbins will be wound for a project I am starting at the weekend and the threads are lovely - I love making lace in colour. Penny Ostler Williams To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Visit NEC
Just would like to know if anybody will be at the NEC on the Sunday. Would be nice to meet anyone there. Looking forward to meeting you all. The Knotter Dora To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Visit NEC
In a message dated 12/11/2003 23:37:50 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Just would like to know if anybody will be at the NEC on the Sunday. Would > be > nice to meet anyone there. > > Looking forward to meeting you all. > > The Knotter Dora Annette and I are going Sunday - perhaps all sunday goers should meet up for a cup of coffee and a sticky bun? Regards Liz Beecher I'm http://journals.aol.com/thelacebee/thelacebee";>blogging now - see what it's all about To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: Argumentative
On Wednesday, Nov 12, 2003, at 02:56 US/Eastern, Annette Gill wrote: Wow - so I'm not the only one! No, I think there're quite a lot of us on this list (one way or another; some aren't on chat). Probably because lacemaking and a reasoned argument have a lot in common -- in both cases you have to follow a logical line, from a to z, without skipping any steps in between. And, in both cases, there's the temptation to 'fudge a little" if you're not sure of the steps, and if you think you can get away with it . It's just that not everyone is *inclined* to argue their points; too much time, effort, energy, not worth it... I too love well-reasoned argument, and get very frustrated by the sloppy way many things are discussed these days I *used to* get frustrated (after I got over the shock of discovering that not everyone seemed to be able to "connect the dots"), but found it unproductive (and self-destructive). Now, I get amused; I've found that my sense of the absurd is as well developed as my love of logic. I'm always getting into trouble for it - do you? I've often been chided for being argumentative, picky or pedantic. So I've begun to learn to shut up. Since I'm also naturally somewhat tactless (for example, I said something here a few weeks ago that I realised later I shouldn't have said), perhaps I should say nothing at all! Well, no; I've never got into trouble because of it; at least not *serious* trouble, anyway. Not in "real life" (outside Arachne e-mail), and that includes the first 23 yrs of my life, which I spent in Communist Poland, where arguments could be corkscrewed into total absurdity and still uttered with a straight face. Yes, I too can be "picky and pedantic" (thinking process, language usage), but then I'm messy in other ways (house), so I'm not threatening enough to engender strong retalliation. I'm not everyone's "cup o'T" (in the old days of Arachne, quite a few private messages started with "you bitch" ), but I can live with that. I've never learnt to shut up; certainly not before I'd said what I thought needed to be said (in case someone could be persuaded), but I did learn not to try and *ram* my point of view down everyone's throat. I've learnt that, in an argument, "doesn't follow" is easier to swallow than "non sequitur" and "could you please explain it to me; I do not understand your point" works best of all :) The last one is particularly effective if uttered with an air of bewilderment, maybe even with a slight stutter (just like Porky in Heather's playlet, not that it did him much good, poor blighter); it used to work much better when I was young and relatively pretty, but one uses what one has... :) In general, people don't like to be corrected, but don't mind so much being asked to clarify/expound. Which gives them an opportunity to re-think while they're re-phrasing, and, possibly, correct themselves... In the process, you don't come through as "pedantic" (and, possibly, "patronising"), but as one in search of enlightment; in effect, you're asking their favour... That's the hope, at any raate :) Since I'm also naturally somewhat tactless Yes, well, with the current PC-rules, it's hard to open your mouth to yawn (never mind say something) without offending someone; the old "excuse me for breathing" phrase comes to mind as frequently as it did during my first 23 yrs :) I'm always willing to hear the arguments for why someone feels offended. Offer counter arguments (if I disagree), or concede their point (if I think it reasonable). And drop the issue if it's obvious that neither one of us can be convinced. When I did jury service many years ago, [...] Yes, that *is* quite a different thing... I've never been in a situation where I thought my opinion would *really matter*, so it's always been easy for me to "live and let live" and not get overly "exercised". I don't know what I'd have done in your situation... Push the point, (like the guy in "12 Angry Men")? Maybe. But maybe not... Though I dare say it would have taken me longer than usual to "disengage" from the argument than when all that's at stake is the colour-codeing diagrams (and that's taken long enough ) I was shocked at how poor many of my fellow jurors' reasoning skills were. Some people didn't seem able to analyse and sift the evidence, to work out what was important The first time a child writes a paragraph or an essay and gets a decent/good grade "for the effort", irrespective of whether it makes sense or not, that child is sent on the down slope in respect of logical thinking. It's better not to grade it at all, but to explain why it doesn't make sense, and how things ought to be re-arranged for better effect (and require such rearrangement, and then check that). My primary school teacher (3rd grade) was able and willing to do that, even though she had 38 of us in class and no teaching assistant. So, arranging thoughts in a coherent way was s
[lace-chat] Re: Funny title!
On Wednesday, Nov 12, 2003, at 03:56 US/Eastern, Jean Nathan wrote: What an ingenious way of selling more copies! Perhaps sought-after out-of-print lace books/prickings (like "Further Steps in Honiton Lace", "Miss Channer's Mat") should be renamed to make the unsuspecting clamour for them. I'm not clever enugh to think up an appropriate new name, but I'm sure some of you are. Re-name? Whatever for?!?! Just distribute them to the right shops :) "Miss Channer's Mat" should, I think, have a great appeal in all the SM ones, for example... FURTHER STEPS in honiton lace (just a slight change in the layout of the title page), might sell like hotcakes to the same audience... - Tamara P Duvall Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd/ To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] east-west
There have been a few places where my internal compass does not work well. One of the places was Columbus, Mississippi, where I attended college, one of the others is Athens, Georgia, where my daughter went to college. Could it have been all that thinking going on?;-) Dianne in Dunlap, Tennessee where I don't seem to have a problem with directions except when asking how to get some where and the instructions include 'turn right where the gas station used to be'. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: Looking for Rooster Pattern
On Wednesday, Nov 12, 2003, at 10:46 US/Eastern, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I remember reading about a Rooster Pattern in on of Bridget Cooks books. Can someone tell me what book this would be? Most likely "Russian Lace Patterns", by Anna Korableva and Bridget. M. Cook (Batsford, 1996). It has several patterns with "cockerel" in the title, and some others where the birds look very much like stylised roosters, even though the titles are more fanciful. - Tamara P Duvall Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd/ To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] "Dirty" book about Mother Theresa
Excuse me, but why would you assume it is only us "dirty old men" who would go after a book like that? While my past may be a bit checkered, a number of female names come to mind that would have beaten me to that title! While at 58 I am still a DOMIT (dirty old man in training) *** Kenn Van-Dieren Bobbins by Van-Dieren 2304 Clifford Avenue Rochester, NY 14609-3825 Tel: 585.654.5711 Cell: 585.750.8842 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: www.bobbinmaker.com * - Original Message - From: "Annette Gill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 2:43 PM Subject: [lace-chat] "Dirty" book about Mother Theresa > > I just had a giggle at work today. I work as librarian in a public (city) > > library, and someone rang up this morning to ask whether we had a book > she'd > > read about in the weekend newspaper. The book sounds quite OK, but the > title > > is... "The missionary position" it has a subtitle (which I have > already > > forgotten!) something about Mother Teresa and her work, which I'm sure > makes it > > a very worthy book, ... > > Yours in chuckles, > > = > > Helene, the froggy from Melbourne > > It's not worthy at all, if it's the one I'm thinking of! I think it's > Christopher Hitchens' book, and it's highly critical of Mother Theresa. > > Still, it's a bit more exciting for the dirty old men who pick it up in > error than if it really were a hagiography of MT! > > Regards, > Annette in London > > To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: > unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: Philosophy Play (the earth is flat)
On Tuesday, Nov 11, 2003, at 23:51 US/Eastern, H. Muth wrote: High praise indeed! Thank you very much. I've 'known' you for almost 8 years and highly respect your opinion (even when I disagree with it !). That's all that's required -- polite respect accorded to other people's opinions; anything more, and I might get conceited :) No, seriously... I don't expect people to agree with me all the time. I'd be disappointed if they did; it would show a mental laziness. Everyone needs to think for themselves. Bugs Bunny and Porky are Looney Tunes characters. Having raised a child in this country, I "know" who they are and even what they look like. What I'm unfamiliar with is "who" they are. Cartoons, out of necessity, reduce the personality of each character to a "few strokes caricature" or stereotype; one learns that "a is loud", "b is stupid", etc, and it continues through the series. I have never watched enough of them to determine what was typical for Bugs Bunny and for Porky. That's why I said they were "unfamiliar" to me; I don't feel I know them well enough to say how other people were *expected* to perceive them... It would, I think, influence the audience reaction to the playlet -- my reaction to the characters was, obviously, not something you'd have expected from a N. American audience, who was predisposed (programmed? ), from childhood, to recognise, on sight, certain features and to react accordingly... I was raised with these cartoons and enjoyed them very much. They fell out of favour in the '80s for the violence (the coyote never catches the roadrunner, only gets himself hurt) Actually, the "excess PC" is nothing new Just compare the Grimm and the Perrault versions of Cinderella... The Perrault version "smoothed the edges", removed all the nightmarish elements of the story, replaced them with more "palatable" ones, and managed to make it meaningless and non-cathartic in the process (but that's the version Disney used for the film). It may be harmful for a child to see the coyote hurt himself (and re-appear in the next installment unharmed, reducing the horror), but it might also teach him that wickedness gets punished (at least in the ideal world of cartoons)... - Tamara P Duvall Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd/ To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] :) Fwd: A Blonde At Work
From: R.P. A blonde, a brunette, and a redhead all work at the same office for a female boss who always goes home early. "Hey, girls," says the brunette, "let's go home early tomorrow. She'll never know." So the next day, they all leave right after the boss does. The brunette gets some extra gardening done, the redhead goes to a bar, and the blonde goes home to find her husband having sex with the blonde's female boss! She quietly sneaks out of the house and returns at her normal time. "That was fun," says the brunette. "We should do it again sometime." "No way," says the blonde. "I almost got caught." - Tamara P Duvall Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd/ To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] :) Fwd: Christmas stamp
With all this minding your PCs and q's, we're definitely "trending" that way... And, yes, my dear "source"; I've *not* seen this one before, and find it hilarious :) From: C.H. A woman goes to the post office to buy stamps for her Christmas cards. She says to the clerk, "May I have 50 Christmas stamps?" The clerk says,"What denomination?" The woman says, "God help us. Has it come to this? Give me 6 Catholic, 12 Presbyterian, 10 Lutheran and 22 Baptists - Tamara P Duvall Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd/ To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Looking for Rooster Pattern
Hi - there are also some Roosters in "Bees, Birds and BUtterflies in Lace" by Edna Sutton and Mary Moseley. I recently did a Rooster from the Bridget Cook/Anna Korableva Russian Lace Pattern Book. Malvary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I remember reading about a Rooster Pattern in on of Bridget Cooks books. Can > someone tell me what book this would be? > thanks, > SueW > Morrisonville, NY > > To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: > unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Canberra & Croydon
When we were in London 4 years ago, we went on a bus trip, and passed a road sign - which had 16 street names on arms on it. I have a partial photo (We were on the 'wrong' side of the bus, and went past too quickly!). How would you ever be able to read it? I am not sure exactly where it was, but perhaps someone out there will know it!! Here in Melbourne we have a roundabout that also has traffic lights at each intersection! Just to be doubley sure!!! :)) from Liz in Melbourne, Oz, [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] closet weight-training lacemakers
I thought I was doing pretty well, until I started chatting about weight-lifting with a guy in the Staines, UK, branch of our company. I was pretty proud of the fact that I can lift 6 kg on biceps curls, until he mentioned that he was lifting *40* kg. (I won't even go into his amazing feats with lats, pulls, quads, etc., etc.). He's been doing it since he was 18 and said that the first year he increased his chest measurement from 34" to 38". Funny--I met him a couple years ago when he was here in Israel and he sure didn't look like the Incredible Hulk in a buttondown shirt and tie ;-) Avital - Original Message - From: "Bev Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hi everyone and Avital who wrote: > > > Oh, yeah, at 5' 0", I'm really scary! > > actually with a 5 kg. dbell you would be scary - I'm impressed! I get a > good work feebly holding 5 lb. in each hand, at arm's length... (up, down, > swivel the chair, out and back..so as to avoid knocking a hole in the > monitor, LOL To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Secret Pal Thanks
Ooh! It was just like Christmas! And I just love sparkly stuff so the wrapping was a very pleasant surprise. The thread is luscious. I have too many ideas for it. And like a lot of lacemakers, I am as crazy about paper and notebooks and such as I am about thread. Thank you. It was a delightful surprise. I feel so special. Patty Dowden To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
