Re: [lace-chat] Names Titles
But now I'm curious: the tendency in the US of children addressing elders by their first name;. You brought to mind the small child of our friends who was just learning to talk. He could pronouce DH's name of Chuck but not mine. He solved it by calling both of us 'Chuck'. He knew we always came together so the single name worked for him. This went on only a few months until his language skills developed more. I was rather a surprise to me until I realized what was happening. The families parted ways before he was old enough to say Mr or Mrs, but he did finally learn to say Alice. On another subject...As I got older, I was sometimes annoyed in a medical office when a young twerp of a girl would call me Alice. I have since noticed that's it's commonly done in various medical offices. Once in a while they will use the full name but usually it's just the first name. Alice in Oregon To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Names and titles
Firstly, it never occurred to me to give my own details as Mrs William Nathan to anyone, or to be known as that. The only time it's use is if something is address to us both, and even then on our local tax bill, the account is Mr William E Nathan and Mrs Jean E Nathan. Since marriage I've always been Mrs Jean Nathan or just Jean Nathan. Also on what Alice wrote: On another subject...As I got older, I was sometimes annoyed in a medical office when a young twerp of a girl would call me Alice. I have since noticed that's it's commonly done in various medical offices. Once in a while they will use the full name but usually it's just the first name. Last time I was in hospital, on admission I was asked how I wanted to be addressed by staff. Last week I went for my usual monthly blood test, and while everyone else booking in was asked to confirm the details on the test form and who their General Practitioner was, when I handed my form in the receptionist look up and said I assume it's the same as always. before she'd even read the name on he form. When you consider that about 3,000 tests are done a week, I'm still amazed that she and most of the phlebotomists know who I am by sight. They all call me Mrs Nathan. Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Persimmons
Tamara wrote: There was a church down in Texas that had a very big-busted organist. Her breasts were so huge that they bounced and jiggled while she played the organ. Reminded me of many yars ago when I was teaching typing on electric typewriters. One of the girls was having trouble because she kept getting extra spaces in her work. I watched her for a few minutes and then told her to raise her typing stool. The problem was cured - her breasts, which bounced as she typed, were now clear of the spacebar. Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] surnames titles
Hi Spiders, I've enjoyed reading all the different view points, as they've popped up. I've retained my original surname, it's mine why should I change it? Marriage and procreation hasn't changed that. My 3 children have their dad's surname (we are married), and my surname is their middle name (for all 3). Couldn't quite inflict the double-barrelled name on them, personally, but I believe that the link to my family is just as important as the paternal one. I think go with what ever YOU are comfortable with. Most of the adults my children (11, 9 and 4 yrs old) know are happy for them to be addressed by first names, some of my parents' friends are happier with Mrs/Mr X, that's fine as well. Whatever the adult is comfortable with. One thing that absolutely drives me crazy, is my darling father (and I do love him dearly). I have an older brother, who has 3 kids, one son. I am the one interested in family history, not my brother or his kids (in their early 20's). So why is Dad keeping the original documents regarding the 'Audsleys' for my brother nephew (inlcuding the really old and precious stuff), as Real Audsley's, and every other family history document he has that is non-Audsley for me? AAaaarrrgghhh. I'm more an Audsley than my nephew. Jen in Melbourne, Australia. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] names and titles
My husband has five sisters and two younger brothers. Since one brother is only a little older than my sons, the title of uncle is not always used. Anyway, being that my older son, when small, saw his five aunts more often than his other uncle, he was in the habit of using the title aunt. Thus, when he did see his uncle, he was also called aunt. As a teacher, my students call me Mrs. Sylvie. I've been known by that for so long that I've haven't had any luck getting them to call me by my last name, as other US teachers are. But, then I don't mind. Outside of my workplace, I do not use Mrs. Among my husband's family and my family members, about half of the women have changed their last names. Others use combinations of last names, as I tend to do. I never write all of my names, as I have too many. Sylvie A. Roy Nguyen (there are more) Cherry Valley, IL, USA __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace-chat] Names and titles
This made me smile. Our income tax forms come with preprinted name and address labels (the tax preparer must fill out the rest -- this is, of course, predating computerized tax preparation). I have always prepared our taxes, so many years ago I changed the order of our names, with me listed first, on both state and federal taxes. The IRS was apparently happy with this arrangement and ever after put my name first. But no matter how many times over the years I put my name first on the tax form for the state of Massachusetts, they *always* changed it back next year to listing my husband first! For the last five or so years I've used a computerized tax preparation program, it never messes with me. ;-) Carolyn Carolyn Hastings Stow, MA USA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jean Nathan Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 3:41 AM To: Chat Subject: [lace-chat] Names and titles Firstly, it never occurred to me to give my own details as Mrs William Nathan to anyone, or to be known as that. The only time it's use is if something is address to us both, and even then on our local tax bill, the account is Mr William E Nathan and Mrs Jean E Nathan. Since marriage I've always been Mrs Jean Nathan or just Jean Nathan. Also on what Alice wrote: On another subject...As I got older, I was sometimes annoyed in a medical office when a young twerp of a girl would call me Alice. I have since noticed that's it's commonly done in various medical offices. Once in a while they will use the full name but usually it's just the first name. Last time I was in hospital, on admission I was asked how I wanted to be addressed by staff. Last week I went for my usual monthly blood test, and while everyone else booking in was asked to confirm the details on the test form and who their General Practitioner was, when I handed my form in the receptionist look up and said I assume it's the same as always. before she'd even read the name on he form. When you consider that about 3,000 tests are done a week, I'm still amazed that she and most of the phlebotomists know who I am by sight. They all call me Mrs Nathan. Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] First names, nicknames, married names
I'm finding this name thread interesting. The different traditions that have been explained is quite interesting. Years ago, a co-worker called me Victoria. I finally stopped him and asked him why he called me that. He had assumed my name was Victoria and my nickname was Vickie. He didn't believe me when I said Vickie was the name on my birth certificate. I came close to showing him my birth certificate to prove it to him. Now I work with a couple of people who insist on calling me Vic. As much as I don't like being called Vic, I don't say anything because I don't want to cause problems in the office by insisting they call me Vickie. These people are the only people who get away with it. One person in the office was given the nickname of 'Bumpy' because she was pregnant. When she came back from maternity leave, they started calling her 'Bumpless'. Now they've gone back to calling her Bumpy. If these people decided to call me by a nickname like this, I would say My name is Vickie. At least my dad didn't get his way when I was younger. He wanted my older brother to call me Sis. My mom stopped that one real quick because she was known by most of the people in her family as Little Sis instead of Lelia. She wanted people to know me as Vickie, not Sis. Before my children were born, my husband and I said they would be going be their first name. He didn't want them having the same problems he did. His father's name is Marvin Garvis Jr. and goes by Marvin; my husband's name is Marvin Drew and goes by Drew. Whenever anyone calls my husband Marvin, he says that's his father. Drew has never said he doesn't like Marvin; however, he doesn't like how there's no space to spell out his middle name on the applications. For legal documents, he has to put Marvin D; for non-legal, he puts Drew in the first name field and no middle initial. Our sons' first names are Bryan and Devin as an attempt for names that weren't nicknames or that nicknames could not be derived from. When they were younger, people would call Bryan - Bry or Bry-Bry and call Devin - Dev. Now that they are 21 and 17, they've lost their nicknames and go by their birth given names. For their middle names, Bryan's is Marvin in honor of his grandfather and Devin's is Drew to keep Drew in the family. If we would have had a girl, we would have tried to use one of our other's name as her middle name. When Drew and I married, I didn't think about hyphenating my last name. However, I did start using my maiden name as my middle name. The company I work for now insists on using my birth given middle name on my records and ignores my maiden last name or they use my whole maiden name with my married name. If I receive mail with Vickie L. McKinney or Vickie Lynn Watson McKinney, I know it's work related; Vickie W. McKinney, it's not work related. Vickie McKinney Colorado, USA To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Names Titles
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Thurlow Weed [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes But now I'm curious: the tendency in the US of children addressing elders by their first name; while I abhor it, I am curious to know if this is the case in other countries as well. Is this a US phenomenon, or does it exist elsewhere? It possibly spread to England from the US, but when I was a Guide Guider, (the English equivalent to a Girl Scout leader) I would often find the girls addressing me as Miss (by which they were used to addressing their school teachers) once we got past the Guiding change from being Captain and Lieutenant (I was the latter) to being Guider and Assistant Guider - by which time I was married, but still only about 10-12 years older than the girls. My usual retort was that I wasn't a Miss, I was a Mrs, and my name was Jane - which is what I preferred them to call me. This was from the early 1980s through to when I finished in 1994. Like you, as a child, I was taught to address adults by their formal name - title and surname. My daughters address me as Mom, I insisted that only their true aunts and uncles were addressed as such, and where my nieces and nephew are concerned, I don't expect them to use the title aunt now they are adults. (They still do, occasionally, though!). What does annoy me more is when someone addresses me by my full name (particularly in the salutation to a letter, often a bulk mailed circular) with or without title - it should be either first name only (if they know me well, which this ilk don't) or by my formal name of Mrs Partridge. In the address line on the envelope, Mrs Jane Partridge is correct - this distinguishes me from my daughter, Miss Jenny Partridge (though we are JM and JL respectively, the dropping of the title and second initial can cause confusion as to who opens the envelope!). -- Jane Partridge To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Names Titles
That is much better than the ones who call you 'Honey' or something similar! Our former dentist had a Southern middle-aged woman for a receptionist who constantly used Honey or something similar. At home I called her 'Rotten Magnolia'. I was really glad when she left. At least when they call you by your first name, you can tell they know who/which patient they are talking to. Lorri On another subject...As I got older, I was sometimes annoyed in a medical office when a young twerp of a girl would call me Alice. I have since noticed that's it's commonly done in various medical offices. Once in a while they will use the full name but usually it's just the first name. Alice in Oregon To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Names Titles
In theory the title Ms refers to any female and is the equivalent of Mr. In practice, (here in England) nearly all women who choose to use the title Ms are divorced, or at least separated from their husband and so it actually says a lot more about the personal circumstances than Mr does. If you really want your personal situation to be as private as possible be a Mrs. In France all women above a certain age mid 20s? are Mme, in Poland all women over 18 are Pani, so why not make all English speaking adult women Mrs. ? At work I process Adult Education enrolments which includes recording names and addresses. Sometimes it's done from an application form filled in by the student and in that case I'll input whatever title she has chosen, but if I'm inputting directly (face to face or by phone) I never ask for a title although some people give it, I just tick the box for female. That way any computer generated correspondence to that student goes out without a title. Some colleagues routinely tick Ms without asking, but that generates Ms on any forms or address labels and occasionally irks someone. Brenda On 27 Aug 2006, at 03:20, Helen Ward wrote: Since I've been divorced since 1977, I don't consider myself a Mrs, nor am I a Miss. Unless I'm forced to use a 'title' I don't use one - I'm just 'Helen Ward'. If I'm forced to use one I use Ms. Brenda http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/ To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Gender of names
Tamara wrote: in Polish, Marian is a male name; in English, it's not :) I think, in English, this depends on the spelling: Marion is male (John Wayne was born Marion Robert Morrison on May 26, 1907); Marian Montgomery (the jazz singer) on the other hand was female. There are some other names which depend, for their gender, on the spelling - e.g. Leslie is male, and Lesley is female, as far as I know. Margery. [EMAIL PROTECTED] in North Herts, UK To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Gender of names
I went to school with sisters named Lesley, Michal and Vivienne (male equivalents Leslie, Michael and Vivian) deliberately chosen to sound unisex. Years later their mother was in one of my lace classes! Brenda There are some other names which depend, for their gender, on the spelling - e.g. Leslie is male, and Lesley is female, as far as I know. Brenda http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/ To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Names Titles
My pet hate is when someone who is young enough to be my granddaughter calls me Luv. Ugh!! Told one young thing of about 16 that I was not her Luv and what's more, I never would be. Helen. That is much better than the ones who call you 'Honey' or something similar! Lorri To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Names Titles
Alice Howell wrote: He could pronouce DH's name of Chuck but not mine. He solved it by calling both of us 'Chuck'. He knew we always came together Our nickname for uncle Frank was Franken -- because we were always talking about Frank 'n Lena -- Joy Beeson http://joybeeson.home.comcast.net/ http://roughsewing.home.comcast.net/ http://n3f.home.comcast.net/ -- Writers' Exchange http://www.timeswrsw.com/craig/cam/ (local weather) west of Fort Wayne, Indiana, U.S.A. where To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: Gender of names
On Aug 27, 2006, at 18:04, Margery Allcock wrote: Tamara wrote: in Polish, Marian is a male name; in English, it's not :) I think, in English, this depends on the spelling: Marion is male (John Wayne was born Marion Robert Morrison on May 26, 1907); Marian Montgomery (the jazz singer) on the other hand was female. Depends on which English we're talking about g My husband's first wife's name was Marion. Which, for me, was easier to accept than Maid Marian (Robin Hood's companion). Who, in Polish version of the story, appeared as Marianna. Same goes for Brenda's Michal; in Polish, it's *strictly* a male name (same as English Michael), Michalina being the female version. We had a major snafu once, when a family asked for an exchange student, hoping he would be a companion for their son. The girl's name was Hilary (or maybe Hillary, but what's one l, when dealing with foreigners g)... There are some other names which depend, for their gender, on the spelling - e.g. Leslie is male, and Lesley is female, as far as I know. Again, not this side of the Atlantic; Leslie seems to be a female name here, and I can't remember ever seeing a Lesley, though doubtless they exist. But it's true that I had forgotten all of those double-edged names when I said that given names gave away one's gender :) -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] :) Fwd: Wrong Baby
Another warmed over joke and a definitely un-PC one. But somewhat-racist comments seem to be coming back into fashion... And, I'm sorry to admit it but, as a dedicated pun-lover, I find this one funny. From: B.R. Su Song marries Lee Wong. The next year the Wongs have a baby. The Nurse brings over a lovely, healthy, bouncy, but definitely Caucasian White Baby boy. Congratulations, says the nurse to the new parents. Well Mr. Wong, What are you and Mrs. Wong going to name your baby? The puzzled man looks at the baby and says, Well, two Wongs don't make a white, so I think we will name him Sum Ting Wong. -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fwd: [lace-chat] Gender of names
Dear Friends, Tamara wrote: in Polish, Marian is a male name; in English, it's not :) I think, in English, this depends on the spelling: Marion is male (John Wayne was born Marion Robert Morrison on May 26, 1907); Marian Montgomery (the jazz singer) on the other hand was female. There are some other names which depend, for their gender, on the spelling - e.g. Leslie is male, and Lesley is female, as far as I know. As a genealogist I think you'll find it's often the way the Registration Clerk happens to right it down at the time. I have never come across the forename Marion for a male in Australia - although I am aware of it in the USA. You are correct in the spellings of Leslie and Lesley. However, there is no fixed rule and I have seen both used for M F. Same applies to Francis and Frances. David in Ballarat To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
