Re: L&I Welcome back
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Welcome Ron, Can't post for a while. Talk to you after April 15th. Joan -- > From: Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Law <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: L&I Welcome back > Date: Sunday, March 29, 1998 5:05 PM > > Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Hi all please Welcome Ron back to the law list :) Ron I hope you enjoy > your stay here among friends and debaters :) > -- > Kathy E > "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow > isn't looking too good for you either" > http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law & Issues Mailing List > http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories > http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I ICQ
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Steve, My ICQ number is 6830404 as far as I know. Can't be sure it was not changed. I'll add your number as soon as I have a chance. Have only been on ICQ once in months. I'll be free at the end of tax season, April 15. Joan -- > From: Steve Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Law Issues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: L&I ICQ > Date: Sunday, March 29, 1998 5:57 PM > > "Steve Wright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Just a quickie, I've put you all on my ICQ and my desktop now looks like > Thunderbird One , Thanks to Kathy for her help, I'll talk to you all > soon :-) > > Steve > > > === > As big bird spreads the word, anybody with a heart votes love. > - Fluke. > === > PERSONAL EMAIL TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Upgrading your PC's News Update
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Steve, In the office on our day off to catch up on work, but can't resist a little time on the net. I am going to get a new computer, probably in the fall. I've been reading up on some of the new things out or soon to be out. I've just come across mention of the Deschutes systems but don't know much about it. I'd appreciate any information and/or suggestions you have. One of the reasons I'm waiting is that some things aren't available until summer or later. Joan -- > From: Steve Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Law Issues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: L&I Upgrading your PC's News Update > Date: Sunday, April 05, 1998 8:25 AM > > "Steve Wright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Hello, my friends I remember a few of you were wanting to upgrade you > machines but were worried about them being coming obsolete, just heard news > from a engineer friend of mine that there are some new releases coming > online shortly. > > Intel 440(BX) motherboards, AGP, 100mhz system bus, UIDE > Intel Pentium2 450Mhz > 100Mhz SDRAM required for above. > > I have been informed that on standard 440lx boards the fasted supported > processor will be 366mhz and after that you will need a bx board and new > memory as most SDRAM is not reliable at 100Mhz. > On the 3D side I have seem a demo of the 3Dfx2 chipset and on a P2-300, it > was running a very very advanced demo at 100 fps, although performance on a > AGP board with a AMD K6233 was significantly less, you still need a fast > processor with a good floating point unit. > > Hope this helps you all, if you need to know more just give me the word and > I'll get to work. > > Steve > > P.S Thanks for the chat Lady K, I really appreciate it :-) > > === > As big bird spreads the word, anybody with a heart votes love. > - Fluke. > === > PERSONAL EMAIL TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Report: Windows 98 Will Be Released
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Sue, Just finished work. Want to ask if you or anyone knows much about Win 98. Joan -- > From: Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: L&I Report: Windows 98 Will Be Released > Date: Thursday, March 12, 1998 2:55 PM > > Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Report: Windows 98 Will Be Released > > > > > > NEW YORK (AP) -- The Justice Department likely will not > > stop Microsoft from releasing its Windows 98 software > > with an Internet browser, The Wall Street Journal > > reported today. > > > > Instead, the department's antitrust enforcers are > > expected to ask U.S. District Judge Thomas Penfield > > Jackson to require Microsoft to also offer a Windows 98 > > version without Internet software, the Journal reported, > > citing sources close to the case. > > > > Microsoft already faces a Justice Department lawsuit > > alleging it violated a 1995 court order designed to > > prevent anti-competitive conduct. Department > > investigators are gathering evidence for a wider > > antitrust case against the Redmond, Wash.-based software > > giant, the newspaper said. > > > > Justice lawyers say Microsoft has leveraged its > > dominance to gain market share for its Internet > > browsers, which navigate around the World Wide Web. > > > > In January, Microsoft avoided a contempt-of-court > > citation by agreeing to let computer makers temporarily > > offer its latest version of Windows 95 without easy > > access to its Internet Explorer software. The company > > has appealed a December federal court order on the > > browser issue. > > > > The paper said Microsoft likely would fight a > > requirement for a browser-less Windows 98. > > -- > Two rules in life: > > 1. Don't tell people everything you know. > 2. > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
L&I Greetings
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Good Morning All, I send you good wishes for this Easter/Passover season. Joan Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
L&I Back Home
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Everyone, We arrived back in Fl Tues. night. Set up the computer before all the bags and boxes were unpacked. Priorities! Didn't get to read much of your posts while in Pa since the computer was in the tax office. I'll have to catch up. Good to be back. Joan Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Report: Windows 98 Will Be Released
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Sue, We're in Pa until April 20-21 or so. IRS filing deadline is 4/15 and it takes us a few days to finish and close up. We have 'phone mail but do not keep the office open the rest of the year. We head south as soon as we can. We are very tired after working 7 days a week for over three months so we don't spend any more time here than is required by the business and getting my parents set up for summer. I like Win 95, but my computer is a 485 and I don't really want to upgrade much anymore. I would like to get one of the new 333Mgh, but am a little worried about whether there are "bug's to be ironed out and, of course, the price is high on the 333. I think it is a lot more reasonable on the 233, but I don't want to be outdated so quickly. Guess in this day of computers, even the 333 will be outdated the day after one gets it. I can only go online before or after work and usually just have time to delete all mail, but always read what is sent to me or is of real importance to me. Don't have time for anything else as yet. :( Miss you all, and look forward to being able to join in once again. :) Joan > From: Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: L&I Report: Windows 98 Will Be Released > Date: Thursday, March 12, 1998 7:10 PM > > Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Hi Joan: > > I still can't run 95. :) But I did get something in the mail today > talking about previews. You can find out more at > http://www.microsoft.com/magazine/msxtreme/ or call 1-800-550-4300 they > are having shows all over the country. > > What state are you in right now and I can give you what they say on > this. It is on Saturday April 4 > > Sue > > > > Hello Sue, > > > > Just finished work. Want to ask if you or anyone knows much about Win 98. > > > > Joan > > -- > Two rules in life: > > 1. Don't tell people everything you know. > 2. > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Anti-batterer custody bill OK constitutionally, SJC rules
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Sue, This sounds encouraging. IMO, it would be beneficial to the children. Joan -- > From: Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: L&I Anti-batterer custody bill OK constitutionally, SJC rules > Date: Thursday, March 12, 1998 9:11 PM > > Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > In Massachusetts... > (From Boston Globe) > > The Supreme Judicial Court yesterday removed several legal hurdles to > the > passage of a bill that would make it more difficult for parents > implicated > in spousal abuse to gain custody of their children. > > > Vehemently opposed by several fathers' groups, the measure in recent > years > has cleared the House but repeatedly stalled in the Senate. > > > The bill would create a rebuttable presumption that a parent who has > engaged > in a ''pattern or serious incident of abuse'' should not get custody or > visitation rights with their children. > > > It has won the backing of a broad range of groups concerned with > domestic > violence, child protection, women's issues and law enforcement, and it > appeared to be on the verge of passage last November when the Senate > gave > its preliminary approval to the measure by a vote of 36 to 1. > > > But Senator Edward J. Clancy Jr. (D-Lynn), the lone dissenting vote, who > had > succeeded in past years in killing the measure, persuaded his colleagues > to > ask the SJC for its opinion on the constitutionality of the measure. > > > Yesterday, the SJC said that while parents have a constitutionally > protected > interest in their relationship with their children, when domestic > violence > has been a significant factor in the home, it may be in the child's best > interests to limit parents' rights. > > > The court addressed the issue of one parent making false allegations of > domestic abuse against the other, a key concern of fathers' groups > opposing > the legislation. In the decision, the justices said most parents would > not > lie about abuse because if the lie were found out, they would risk > losing > custody of their children. > > > The SJC said the bill is proposing nothing extraordinary. > > > ''There is a growing national awareness that children who witness or > experience domestic violence suffer deep and profound harms,'' the court > said. ''To better protect children, many states have adopted legislation > making it more difficult for an abusive parent to obtain custody of a > child > in a divorce proceeding.'' > > > Proponents were elated. > > > Beth Boland, president-elect of the Massachusetts Women's Bar > Association, > said, ''It really is clarifying that the psychological well-being of > children in abusive homes really trumps the interests of the allegedly > abusive parent.'' > > > Senator Cheryl A. Jacques (D-Needham), a lead sponsor of the bill, said > the > SJC opinion ''has cleared the way for passage of this important > legislation,'' which ''will go a long way toward breaking the cycle of > domestic abuse.'' > > > Clancy could not be reached for comment, but the opinion rankled > fathers' > groups. > > > John Maguire of Boston-based Fathers and Families said, ''Most children > would crawl on their hands and knees for a chance to see either parent. > This > decision is a sad mistake because it will ensure that thousands of > children > will lose all-important contact with their fathers.'' > -- > Two rules in life: > > 1. Don't tell people everything you know. > 2. > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Back Home
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Ron, Thanks for the welcome. It sure is good to have some time to myself again. TTYL :-) Joan -- > From: Ronald Helm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: L&I Back Home > Date: Thursday, April 23, 1998 2:34 PM > > "Ronald Helm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Welcome back Joan. Lots has changed in your absence. No Gemini, No Van, No > Mary, No Bev, but I am still around (after a fact) and arguing with Bill and > Jackie. Mac is on temporary leave, and I guess Ed too. Other than that, > pretty much the same old bunch. Ron > > 99 percent of lawyers give the rest a bad name. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Back Home
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Kathy, Glad I don't have to choose between my computer and anyone or anything else. Joan -- > From: Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: L&I Back Home > Date: Thursday, April 23, 1998 11:40 AM > > Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Hi Joan and Welcome back :) > > I'm glad to see you have your priorities straight! (G) > > Joan Moyer wrote: > > > > "Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > We arrived back in Fl Tues. night. Set up the computer before all the bags > > and boxes were unpacked. Priorities! Didn't get to read much of your > > posts while in Pa since the computer was in the tax office. I'll have to > > catch up. Good to be back. > > > > Joan > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues > > -- > Kathy E > "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow > isn't looking too good for you either" > http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law & Issues Mailing List > http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories > http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Back Home
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Bill, Glad to be back. The season was successful, but that goes hand in hand with total fatigue! I look forward to getting in on the discussions once again. :-) Joan -- > From: William J. Foristal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: L&I Back Home > Date: Thursday, April 23, 1998 11:38 AM > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: > > > Hi Joan, > > Nice to see you! Welcome back. I look forward to seeing you post again > and joining in the discussions. Hope your tax season was a successful > one. > > Bill > > > On Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:05:30 -0400 "Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > >Hello Everyone, > > > >We arrived back in Fl Tues. night. Set up the computer before all the > >bags > >and boxes were unpacked. Priorities! Didn't get to read much of your > >posts while in Pa since the computer was in the tax office. I'll have > >to > >catch up. Good to be back. > > > > Joan > > > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues > > > > _ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Back Home
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Sue, Missed you all also. Good to be talking to you again. :-) Joan -- > From: Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: L&I Back Home > Date: Thursday, April 23, 1998 11:26 AM > > Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Hi Joan: > > I'm so glad that you are back "home". Missed you a lot. > > Sue > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > We arrived back in Fl Tues. night. Set up the computer before all the bags > > and boxes were unpacked. Priorities! Didn't get to read much of your > > posts while in Pa since the computer was in the tax office. I'll have to > > catch up. Good to be back. > > > > Joan > > > -- > Two rules in life: > > 1. Don't tell people everything you know. > 2. > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Back Home
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Vi, Sounds like you had a terrible period to get through. The taxes are not a problem for me, but selling a house and having surgery - those are problems! how are you doing now? Joan -- > From: Viola Provenzano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: L&I Back Home > Date: Friday, April 24, 1998 5:16 AM > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: > > > Hi Joan, > > I've missed you, but knew the reason. My taxes were a real struggle this > year, getting the figures together, and to complicate matters I had sold > a house. During March I faced income tax, surgery and moving. Wow! > > Glad you are back! > > Vi > ___ > You wrote: > > . . .<< anything else.>>> > > _ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Arnelle Simpson arrested
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Sue, I heard just the tail end of that report on the car radio. I'm not surprised OJ did not show up. Guess she is not free from problems either. How is the brother doing? Didn't he have some brush with the law? Saw a brief clip and read a short news item about OJ's interview with a British reporter. Did you hear of it? If so, did anything new emerge? Is Petro's book out yet? I have not gotten settled in as yet so haven't called the book store. Joan -- > From: Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: L&I Arnelle Simpson arrested > Date: Friday, April 24, 1998 11:07 AM > > Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Arnelle Simpson crashed her Saab convertable into a house this morning > at 1 am. She suffered minor injuries, thanks to the air bags. She is > in Cedars of Sini Hospital right now under observation. She was > arrested for drunk driving. > > As of 8 am this morning her father has not shown up at the hospital, and > the press would know that. :) > > Sue > -- > Two rules in life: > > 1. Don't tell people everything you know. > 2. > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Back Home
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Steve, Since there are so many advances coming in the near future, I have ordered 2 16 memory chips for my 486 computer. Thought about the expenditure on my old lady, but I plan on keeping it anyway and so will have a little more freedom. I will wait and see what is out there in Sept. or Oct. and make a decision then. I want a little time to get to know a new system before January so I am comfortable doing taxes. Thanks for keeping me updated. :-) Joan -- > From: Steve Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: L&I Back Home > Date: Friday, April 24, 1998 11:26 AM > > Steve Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Hi Joan, nice to see you survived doing your taxes, its good to have you > back, glad you found the hardware postings useful, Im getting new data all > the time and some of it is frightening, heres a scoop for you, the next > version of windows (not 98) will support full voice recognition including > continuous speech. Windows NT consumer will now support duel processor > systems out of the box and Intel have a Pentium2 prototype at 0.12 microns > running at 800Mhz, latest news is we will hit 550Mhz at years end. AMD are > set to get to 400mhz with the K6 and K6/7(3D). And Cyrix look as though > they are leaving the high performance processor market and going low cost. > This is the reason why IBM has given AMD a cash injection and offered a long > term deal to manufacture processors starting at 0.25 microns. > > Samsung have started shipping new 100Mhz 128Mb SDRams Dimms and 256Mb are in > the pipeline(June/July). Silicone Graphics are looking to use Intel CPU's > in there new low cost work stations and MIPS are to separate from the parent > comapny . > > DVDRam has now been finalized with recording capacity of 2.6Gb per side, > double sided Ram disks will be available. > > Best Steve > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Joan Moyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Law List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Thursday, April 23, 1998 5:08 PM > Subject: L&I Back Home > > > >"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > >Hello Everyone, > > > >We arrived back in Fl Tues. night. Set up the computer before all the bags > >and boxes were unpacked. Priorities! Didn't get to read much of your > >posts while in Pa since the computer was in the tax office. I'll have to > >catch up. Good to be back. > > > > Joan > > > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Evidence of New Planets Is Cited--Steve
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Steve, It's fascinating, isn't it. So much out there that we can only contemplate. We had a 4 inch telescope about 10 years ago and used to set up in fields because there was less light to block the view. Farmers once came out with shotguns because they couldn't believe we were sitting in the middle of a field looking at the sky. I won't make it into space, but hope you will. Joan -- > From: Steve Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Law Issues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: L&I Evidence of New Planets Is Cited--Steve > Date: Friday, April 24, 1998 12:01 PM > > Steve Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I wouldn't doubt that for a second, Im a firm believer in Moores Law as far > as microprocessors are concerned and I believe that many other technologies > follow a similar path, my analogy although primitive was just a little thing > anyone can do to show that the fasted way to get from (a) to (b) is not in a > straight line, and its idea like these that will bring us to a stage where a > trip to Mars will not take 5 years or so. By the way the analogy wasn't > one I made up, I saw it on a TV program where a NASA scientist was trying to > explain his research. > > Steve :-) > > > -Original Message- > From: William J. Foristal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Friday, April 24, 1998 4:52 PM > Subject: Re: L&I Evidence of New Planets Is Cited--Steve > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: > > > > > >HI Steve, > > > >And this stuff is a lot of fun to think about. People always say that > >living well is the best revenge, but I've always thought that being young > >was a close second. > > > >Compare where we were technologically speaking at the end of the 19th > >century with where we are as we end the 20th century. If we make the > >same progress in the 21st century we may be visiting those planets on a > >regular basis. Surely there will be colonies of earth citizens on the > >moon, space station-cities and other planets in our solar system. > > > >Bill > > > > > >On Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:56:40 +0100 "Steve Wright" > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >>"Steve Wright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> > >> > >> must have been using the wrong kind of marker pen, I suppose > >>everything is easy in theory, little bits of research that fit the > >>puzzle > >>are starting to appear though, hopefully I am young enough to see how > >>it > >>will all pan out. > >> > >>Steve > > > >_ > >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > >Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > > > > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Arnelle Simpson arrested
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Sue, I think the family put itself in the position of future problems when they testified on his behalf and/or supported him during and after the trial. As far as I am concerned, they all deserve whatever happens. Anyone who supported him must take whatever happens. They supported a murderer and helped him avoid justice. Haven't heard anything about AC, but then, I haven't had any contact with anything except taxes for months. It does not surprise me that OJ has a manager. He wants to be involved with the public in any way that brings him exposure and money. Hopefully, the old saying, "What goes around, comes around," is true. Joan -- > From: Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: L&I Arnelle Simpson arrested > Date: Friday, April 24, 1998 12:51 PM > > Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Hi Joan: > > Sort of sounds to me like she may have some of the same problems as the > niece had. :( That man sure has ruined a lot of lives, IMO. And he > just goes merrily about his way. Really sick. > > And just like everyone else in his family, when they are in trouble or > need help, No Simpson. But they sure were expected to stand by him when > he needed it. > > I haven't heard a word about the son since he got into trouble with that > truck incident. I can't even really remember what happened there, just > that he got off. I wonder what ever happened to AC. You never hear > anything about him any more. > > They have shown that interview over, and over, and over on the local > stations here. He had a crazy look on his face when he pulled that > banana thing. His manager said yesterday (didn't even know he had one) > that Simpson was only re enacting the scene from Psycho. Today Simpson > is suppose to be on one of those tabloid news shows telling his side of > the story. He sure can get the press when he wants it. I wonder if all > this has anything to do with the fact that Fred Goldman has a new show, > and Petrocelli's book comes out next week. Bet it does. > > Petrocelli's book is suppose to be out next week. I have already > ordered it. :) I can't wait to see if all the stuff that Steve said > was going to be in there is there. I think it is going to really be a > good one. > > Sue > > > > Hello Sue, > > > > I heard just the tail end of that report on the car radio. I'm not > > surprised OJ did not show up. Guess she is not free from problems either. > > How is the brother doing? Didn't he have some brush with the law? Saw a > > brief clip and read a short news item about OJ's interview with a British > > reporter. Did you hear of it? If so, did anything new emerge? Is Petro's > > book out yet? I have not gotten settled in as yet so haven't called the > > book store. > > > > Joan > > -- > Two rules in life: > > 1. Don't tell people everything you know. > 2. > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Woman 55 gives birth to 4 babies
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Sue, Perhaps she thought having many babies would guarantee her financial help and she would have financial support for many years. What's the Dr.'s excuse? Why was a woman with no husband and no means of support impregnated not only with the possibility of one child but of many? I think the Dr. has much to answer for. It would be just if he had to support those costs he brought about. Joan -- > From: Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: L&I Woman 55 gives birth to 4 babies > Date: Friday, April 24, 1998 1:26 PM > > Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Hi Vi: > > It's nuts. IMO > > But it was her alone, she doesn't have a husband or anything, and she > paid cash for the procedure. So they probably didn't know that there > was going to be those other problems. > > What I don't understand though is with her financial problems, the > medical problems that she could face, and the jeopardy to the babies, > both now and in the future, why didn't she have some of the fetus's > aborted. > > Well it looks like you and I, as well as other California taxpayers will > be paying for this for a long time. :( Just what California needed. > Can't afford books for our school children, but we can pay for something > like this. > > Not to mention the suffering that these kids will probably endure. > > Sue > > Hi Sue, > > > > What's even crazier is that San Francisco doctors would agree to provide > > invitro-fertilization to a couple who not only cannot take care of > > themselves in all probability, but with four more mouths to feed, leave > > it up to the California tax payers to pick up the medical tab. > > > > -- > Two rules in life: > > 1. Don't tell people everything you know. > 2. > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I The Rodney King Beating - The Other Story part one
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Sue, Interesting that this is now coming out. I think it was clear from the onset, that King had behaved in such a way as to cause much of what happened. He was a criminal before the incident and despite money and help, he is little better, if any, afterward. Lives ruined for what? Joan -- > From: Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: L&I The Rodney King Beating - The Other Story part one > Date: Friday, April 24, 1998 2:25 PM > > Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > The Rodney King Beating > The Other Story > Thursday, April 23, 1998 > (This is an unedited, uncorrected transcript.) > > TED KOPPEL, ABC NEWS (VO) When people saw this black and > white video, they thought they knew what they had seen. > > PRES GEORGE BUSH (from May 1, 1992) What you saw and what > I saw on the TV video was revolting. > > JOHN MACK, PRESIDENT, URBAN LEAGUE It looked like a > training exercise as to how you should brutalize an > AfricanAmerican > male. > > TED KOPPEL (VO) What if the story wasnt black and white but > gray? > > STEVEN CLYMER, ASSISTANT US ATTORNEY There is more > to the story than simply the videotape. There are things that > happened > before the videotape, there are things that happened after the > videotape. > > HARLAND BRAUN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY The importance of > the incident is almost symbolic now. It makes no difference > whether it > really happened that way. > > TED KOPPEL (VO) We know that 81 seconds of videotape forever > changed the life of Rodney King, but he wasnt the only one. > > TIM WIND Ive lost my innocence, thats for sure. > > SGT CHARLES DUKE, LOS ANGELES POLICE > DEPARTMENT Hes even a greater victim than anyone else could > ever imagine because he was doing what he thought he was > trained to > do. > > TED KOPPEL (VO) Tonight, the Rodney King beating, the other > story. > > ANNOUNCER From ABC News, this is Nightline. Reporting from > Washington, Ted Koppel. > > TED KOPPEL We know what happened in the case of Rodney King > because we saw it on videotape. We know what happened after > the first > trial of four Los Angeles policemen when all of them were > found not > guilty and a mistrial was declared on one count against one of > the > officers. There were riots in South Central, Los Angeles. More > than 50 > people were killed. Some 2,000 others were injured and there > was > untold property damage. > We know that there was a second trial on federal civil rights > charges and > that two of the officers were found guilty while the other two > were > acquitted. We know that a civil trial eventually awarded $3.8 > million to > Rodney King for the injuries he sustained. But the story of > what > happened to Mr King on that fateful night in March of 1991 was > more > complex than the piece of videotape we were shown again and > again > may have suggested. > What was done to him was terribly wrong but it wasnt as cut > and dried > as it seemed and the fact that two of the police officers were > ultimately > found guilty. And two others were not deserves a second look. > The > whole case deserves a second look, which is what Lou Cannon, a > veteran correspondent for The Washington Post gave it. His > new > book, Official Negligence: How Rodney King and the Riots > Changed > Los Angeles and the LAPD, served as the inspiration for this > report by > Judy Muller. > > JUDY MULLER, ABC NEWS (VO) When this amateur videotape > was first broadcast seven years ago, the conventional wisdom > was that it > clearly depicted four white Los Angeles police officers > viciously beating a > black motorist named Rodney King with little or no > provocation. > > RODNEY KING Its sickening. Its sickening. Its sickening > every time > I look at it. > > JUDY MULLER (VO) Almost everyone agrees that its sickening, > but > it may also be misleading. > > LOU CANNON Its a Rashomon in whic
Re: L&I Furhman off probation
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Sue, Nice to think OJ might be disturbed. Glad to hear Fuhrman might be able to go on with his life. Joan -- > From: Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: L&I Furhman off probation > Date: Friday, April 24, 1998 3:26 PM > > Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > A judge just released Furhman from probation today. He also dropped the > felony charges. So now that he doesn't have a record, and is off > probabtion maybe he can get on with his life. > > I bet Simpson is stewing in his own juices today. LOL Nothing is going > right for him. Maybe this is worse than any prison sentence that he > could have gotten. > > Sue > -- > Two rules in life: > > 1. Don't tell people everything you know. > 2. > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Back Home
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Vi, Glad the surgery was successful. I had a house on the market once for a year and it was a real worry since I had bought another. Glad to read your posts. We are probably the only 2 who believe King had to be subdued and the officers were not totally at fault. Joan -- > From: Viola Provenzano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: L&I Back Home > Date: Friday, April 24, 1998 8:14 PM > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: > > > Hi Joan, > > How I envy you your mathematical ability! I have never had the patience > or liking for figures and the income tax forms get more and more > difficult to comprehend. > > Surgery was an outpatient procedure and all systems are now "go." :) > > Selling the house was merely a matter of making repairs, painting and > adding some cosmetic features . Even so, it was on the market for six > months before it sold. I kept it on the market during the slow buying > season and possibly because of the low inventory of available homes, soon > found a buyer. > > Hope you enjoy catching up on your backlog of e-mail. > > Vi > > You wrote: > > . . .<< having surgery - those are problems! how are you doing now? >>> > > > _ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Back Home
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Steve, I just decided to double my memory to 32 on my 486 because I think I will keep it. Can't sell it for anything and Dale and I will then not fight over the computer. Joan -- > From: Steve Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: L&I Back Home > Date: Saturday, April 25, 1998 7:34 AM > > Steve Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Your more than welcome, I must admit that come September Im upgrading also > and Im stuck between a duel pentiumMMx with 128mb ram and a scsi drive and a > new duel pentium2 300 system with Sdram bx motherboard and all that stuff, > plus I have seen a demo of the new 3D chipset from 3dfx and it wonderful. > > Steve > > > -Original Message- > From: Joan Moyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Saturday, April 25, 1998 1:49 AM > Subject: Re: L&I Back Home > > > >"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > >Hello Steve, > > > >Since there are so many advances coming in the near future, I have ordered > >2 16 memory chips for my 486 computer. Thought about the expenditure on my > >old lady, but I plan on keeping it anyway and so will have a little more > >freedom. I will wait and see what is out there in Sept. or Oct. and make a > >decision then. I want a little time to get to know a new system before > >January so I am comfortable doing taxes. Thanks for keeping me updated. > >:-) > > Joan > > > >-- > >> From: Steve Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Subject: Re: L&I Back Home > >> Date: Friday, April 24, 1998 11:26 AM > >> > >> Steve Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> > >> > >> Hi Joan, nice to see you survived doing your taxes, its good to have > >you > >> back, glad you found the hardware postings useful, Im getting new data > >all > >> the time and some of it is frightening, heres a scoop for you, the next > >> version of windows (not 98) will support full voice recognition including > >> continuous speech. Windows NT consumer will now support duel processor > >> systems out of the box and Intel have a Pentium2 prototype at 0.12 > >microns > >> running at 800Mhz, latest news is we will hit 550Mhz at years end. AMD > >are > >> set to get to 400mhz with the K6 and K6/7(3D). And Cyrix look as though > >> they are leaving the high performance processor market and going low > >cost. > >> This is the reason why IBM has given AMD a cash injection and offered a > >long > >> term deal to manufacture processors starting at 0.25 microns. > >> > >> Samsung have started shipping new 100Mhz 128Mb SDRams Dimms and 256Mb are > >in > >> the pipeline(June/July). Silicone Graphics are looking to use Intel > >CPU's > >> in there new low cost work stations and MIPS are to separate from the > >parent > >> comapny . > >> > >> DVDRam has now been finalized with recording capacity of 2.6Gb per side, > >> double sided Ram disks will be available. > >> > >> Best Steve > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> > >> > >> > >> From: Joan Moyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: Law List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Date: Thursday, April 23, 1998 5:08 PM > >> Subject: L&I Back Home > >> > >> > >> >"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> > > >> > > >> >Hello Everyone, > >> > > >> >We arrived back in Fl Tues. night. Set up the computer before all the > >bags > >> >and boxes were unpacked. Priorities! Didn't get to read much of your > >> >posts while in Pa since the computer was in the tax office. I'll have > >to > >> >catch up. Good to be back. > >> > > >> > Joan > >> > > >> >Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues > >> > >> > >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues > > > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Furhman off probation
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Sue, I think I read, or heard, somewhere that Simpson was publicly asking for Fuhrman to be further ostracized, criticized and in general abused. It's unfortunate that Simpson is in a position to cause anyone harm. Joan -- > From: Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: L&I Furhman off probation > Date: Saturday, April 25, 1998 12:15 PM > > Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Hi Joan: > > Oh, I really believe that this one got to him. LOL He wrote a letter > to the LA Times a couple of weeks ago, calling for the public to treat > Furhman as an outcast. He went on and on about how Furhman was nothing > better than dirt, and should be treated as such. :) > > I just hope he knows about this. I would have loved to have been there > when he heard about it, if he has. :) > > Sue > > > > Hello Sue, > > > > Nice to think OJ might be disturbed. Glad to hear Fuhrman might be able to > > go on with his life. > > > > Joan > > -- > Two rules in life: > > 1. Don't tell people everything you know. > 2. > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Arnelle Simpson arrested
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Sue, One can hope! What is he up to now? What news of the children? Looking forward to Petro's book. Joan -- > From: Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: L&I Arnelle Simpson arrested > Date: Saturday, April 25, 1998 12:28 PM > > Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Hi Joan: > > Yesterday Simpson was on one of the tab news shows giving his side of > the banana episode and my son just happened to be watching it. (He > isn't interested in this Simpson stuff. ) Anyway when the interview > was over he said that he thought that Simpson was about ready to break. > > I asked him what he ment, and he just said he just didn't sound right, > and that he didn't really act right either. > > I listened to it again when they did a recap of the interview and he is > right. Simpson's voice seemed to crack, and he just didn't seem to have > that fight in him anymore. Maybe what comes around, *has* finally come > around. Maybe all the public pressure and the slights from his > 'adoring' fans has finally gotten to him. > > One can only hope. > > As for the family. I really can understand why they would stand by him, > being family. But they not only stood by him, they seemed to excuse and > actually in some ways condone what he did. And I do believe they all > know that he did it. > > Fuhrman has a book coming out about the Scakel (sp) killing, Fred > Goldman has a show that probably will be picked up, and Petrocelli's > book comes out next week. And of course now Fuhrman is a free man. > Along with this both Darden and Clark are doing fine. This has to be > getting to him. Especially when he has to leave the country in order to > even get on television anymore. > > Sue > > Sue > > Hello Sue, > > > > I think the family put itself in the position of future problems when they > > testified on his behalf and/or supported him during and after the trial. > > As far as I am concerned, they all deserve whatever happens. Anyone who > > supported him must take whatever happens. They supported a murderer and > > helped him avoid justice. > > > > Haven't heard anything about AC, but then, I haven't had any contact with > > anything except taxes for months. It does not surprise me that OJ has a > > manager. He wants to be involved with the public in any way that brings > > him exposure and money. > > > > Hopefully, the old saying, "What goes around, comes around," is true. > > > > Joan > > > > -- > Two rules in life: > > 1. Don't tell people everything you know. > 2. > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Medi-Cal paying bills for premature quadruplets
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Ron, Does this mean she was to be allowed multiple births as long as there were no more than three? Was it known that she could not support the children? Joan -- > From: Ronald Helm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: L&I Medi-Cal paying bills for premature quadruplets > Date: Saturday, April 25, 1998 2:09 PM > > "Ronald Helm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Just as I thought, the doctor seems to imply, without be allowed to say it, > that this woman deceived his clinic when she agreed to "selectively > terminate" more than three fetuses, in order to get the procedure done. She > then apparently refused selective abortion and went back to San Diego to > continue this devastating tragedy. California should charge this patient > with welfare fraud!Ron > > 99 percent of lawyers give the rest a bad name. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Re: D.P.
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Ron, Has there been any mention as yet what his defense is or will be? I've read nothing about the case thus far. Joan -- > From: Ronald Helm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: L&I Re: D.P. > Date: Saturday, April 25, 1998 2:44 PM > > "Ronald Helm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > >Well, we now have another 14 year old in Penn who shot and killed a > >teacher. This is really getting out of hand. Even one is bad, but > >geeze, everyday we are reading about a new one. > > > > > Punish the little bastards, do some good for the victims and their families > for a change. Ron > > 99 percent of lawyers give the rest a bad name. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Re: D.P.
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Sue, What is the cause of our hands being tied? Joan -- > From: Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: L&I Re: D.P. > Date: Saturday, April 25, 1998 3:02 PM > > Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Ronald Helm wrote: > > > > "Ronald Helm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > >Well, we now have another 14 year old in Penn who shot and killed a > > >teacher. This is really getting out of hand. Even one is bad, but > > >geeze, everyday we are reading about a new one. > > > > > > > Punish the little bastards, do some good for the victims and their families > > for a change. Ron > > Hi Ron: > > I agree, something has to be done. But what. These kids have our hands > tied. And they know it. > > Sue > > -- > Two rules in life: > > 1. Don't tell people everything you know. > 2. > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Woman 55 gives birth to 4 babies
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Sue, >From Ron's post, it seems the Dr. may have some excuse . However, why impregnate anyone who has not the means to care for the child or children. IMO that is irresponsible. Joan -- > From: Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: L&I Woman 55 gives birth to 4 babies > Date: Saturday, April 25, 1998 5:11 PM > > Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Hi Joan: > > According to the story today in the San Diego Union, it looks like the > doc got hoodwinked too. Actually I feel sorry for him. His reputation > is on the line now. > > Unfortunately no matter what happens here, the ones that are going to > suffer are those babies. Even if they make it, chances are one or more > of them (especially the little boy) stands a chance of having major > medical problems. > > The little boy is bleeding into his brain, according to the docs today, > so I have a feeling he may just not make it. :( > > Even if they don't have future medical problems, that mother isn't > going to be able to take care of all four of them by herself, > financially or otherwise. > > I think something should be done. If there isn't already a signed > agreement before the procedure is done regarding selective abortion if > there is a multiple fertilization, there should be one. Although I > don't know if that would be upheld in court even then. > > And I certainly don't appreciate the fact that the State of California > will be financially liable for this one bit. > > Sue > > > > Hello Sue, > > > > Perhaps she thought having many babies would guarantee her financial help > > and she would have financial support for many years. What's the Dr.'s > > excuse? Why was a woman with no husband and no means of support > > impregnated not only with the possibility of one child but of many? I > > think the Dr. has much to answer for. It would be just if he had to > > support those costs he brought about. > > > > Joan > > -- > Two rules in life: > > 1. Don't tell people everything you know. > 2. > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Joan: Dateline
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Sue, Thank you. I haven't caught up with TV, or anything else, for that matter. I'll be watching. Joan -- > From: Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: L&I Joan: Dateline > Date: Saturday, April 25, 1998 5:43 PM > > Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Hi Joan: > > Petrocelli is going to be on Dateline, NBC 10 PM Tuesday night. > > Sue > -- > Two rules in life: > > 1. Don't tell people everything you know. > 2. > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Back Home
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Sue, Regardless of the original intent, the tape became a propaganda weapon. Joan -- > From: Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: L&I Back Home > Date: Saturday, April 25, 1998 5:45 PM > > Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Hi Joan: > > I think it would have helped a little if they had shown that entire tape > to the public. > > Sue > > Hello Vi, > > > > Glad the surgery was successful. I had a house on the market once for a > > year and it was a real worry since I had bought another. Glad to read your > > posts. We are probably the only 2 who believe King had to be subdued and > > the officers were not totally at fault. > > > > Joan > > > -- > Two rules in life: > > 1. Don't tell people everything you know. > 2. > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Furhman off probation
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Terry, I don't know the content of his remarks, but I believe there are still those who support Simpson and his accusations about Fuhrman or others stirs up hatred and racism. Certainly, that was probably his intent. Joan -- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: L&I Furhman off probation > Date: Saturday, April 25, 1998 5:54 PM > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > >"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > >Hello Sue, > > > >I think I read, or heard, somewhere that Simpson was publicly asking for > >Fuhrman to be further ostracized, criticized and in general abused. It's > >unfortunate that Simpson is in a position to cause anyone harm. > > > > Joan > > Harm? What harm? > > His kids but who else? > Best, Terry > > "Lawyer - one trained to circumvent the law" - The Devil's Dictionary > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Re: D.P.
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Sue, I understand your point. However, there is now some movement to lower the age for more severe sentencing even to the extent of the DP. Our hands do not have to be tied. Joan -- > From: Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: L&I Re: D.P. > Date: Saturday, April 25, 1998 6:05 PM > > Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Hi Joan: > > Because of their ages. They are juveniles. Sue > > Hello Sue, > > > > What is the cause of our hands being tied? > > > > Joan > > -- > Two rules in life: > > 1. Don't tell people everything you know. > 2. > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Woman 55 gives birth to 4 babies
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Ron, I agree the Dr. could have called for a psychiatric evaluation. Also, isn't a Dr. free to decide whether he will or will not treat a patient if, in his professional opinion, what the patient is requesting is wrong?? Joan -- > From: Ronald Helm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: L&I Woman 55 gives birth to 4 babies > Date: Saturday, April 25, 1998 6:08 PM > > "Ronald Helm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > The doctor claimed that he could not discriminate against a 55 year old > woman, so I am sure, since she came up with the money to pay him, that he > could not discriminate against her because of her financial status. This is > of course all a bunch of bullshit on the doctor's part. Unless a patient > presents with a life threatening emergent condition, the doctor patient > relationship is established essentially as a two person contract. Just as > she is free to decide whether she wants him as her specialist, he is free to > decide whether he wants her as a patient and should have called for a > psychiatric evaluation in my opinion. Ron > > 99 percent of lawyers give the rest a bad name. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Woman 55 gives birth to 4 babies
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Sue, I haven't read anything about the case except here on the list, so you are probably right. Joan -- > From: Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: L&I Woman 55 gives birth to 4 babies > Date: Sunday, April 26, 1998 12:17 AM > > Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Hi Joan: > > I may be wrong, but I get the impression that he had no idea that she > could not afford this pregnancy or the children. She paid cash for the > procedure. > > Sue > > Hello Sue, > > > > >From Ron's post, it seems the Dr. may have some excuse . However, why > > impregnate anyone who has not the means to care for the child or children. > > IMO that is irresponsible. > > > > Joan > > > -- > Two rules in life: > > 1. Don't tell people everything you know. > 2. > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Re: D.P.
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Sue, I understand the fear of teachers and their families with the wave of murderous attacks by students. I think more and more districts are putting in weapon detectors. However, as was mentioned in an earlier post, more and better gun control would help. Of course, as always, if parents were more responsible the guns would not be so readily available. Joan -- > From: Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: L&I Re: D.P. > Date: Sunday, April 26, 1998 12:20 AM > > Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Hi Joan: > > As a teacher I am sure you can understand my apprehensions regarding my > husband. At least my son had a weapon to protect himself in the gulf. > > > I'm all for lowering and strengthening the sentencing laws for these > "kids". I don't know if I could go so far as the DP, but I certainly > think that more severe and longer punishments are in order. > > Sue > > Hello Sue, > > > > I understand your point. However, there is now some movement to lower the > > age for more severe sentencing even to the extent of the DP. Our hands do > > not have to be tied. > > > > Joan > > -- > Two rules in life: > > 1. Don't tell people everything you know. > 2. > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Arnelle Simpson arrested
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Sue, Refresh my memory, please. What did Steve say? Maybe this came up when I was working and had no time to read the list posts. Joan -- > From: Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: L&I Arnelle Simpson arrested > Date: Sunday, April 26, 1998 12:24 AM > > Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Hi Joan: > > The only thing that I have heard about any of them is that Simpson said > that they have never asked about their mom's murder, nor has he ever > brought it up. When that "banana" interviewer said that she thought > that it should be brought up and talked about, he said that they had > gotten plenty of counseling and help, and all of the counselors said to > leave it go. If they wanted to talk about it they would, otherwise > forget it. > > And of course you know about Arnelle. > > I can't wait for the book either. I want to find out if what Steve said > is in there. > > Sue > > Hello Sue, > > > > One can hope! What is he up to now? What news of the children? Looking > > forward to Petro's book. > > > > Joan > > > > -- > Two rules in life: > > 1. Don't tell people everything you know. > 2. > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Arnelle Simpson arrested
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Kathy, I haven't read anything about the children, but I'm sure you are right. It doesn't seem credible that the children would never ask questions about their mother's death. The must have seen and heard much media that concerned them, especially The older, Sidney. Even classmates must have raised questions that they would discuss with Simpson. Joan -- > From: Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: L&I Arnelle Simpson arrested > Date: Sunday, April 26, 1998 1:10 PM > > Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > And of course we all know that what OJ said about the kids was flat out > lies, they have asked about their mother and what happened, according to > what he said in other interviews and others close to them have said. > > Sue Hartigan wrote: > > > > Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > Hi Joan: > > > > The only thing that I have heard about any of them is that Simpson said > > that they have never asked about their mom's murder, nor has he ever > > brought it up. When that "banana" interviewer said that she thought > > that it should be brought up and talked about, he said that they had > > gotten plenty of counseling and help, and all of the counselors said to > > leave it go. If they wanted to talk about it they would, otherwise > > forget it. > > > > And of course you know about Arnelle. > > > > I can't wait for the book either. I want to find out if what Steve said > > is in there. > -- > Kathy E > "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow > isn't looking too good for you either" > http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law & Issues Mailing List > http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories > http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Back Home
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Kathy, I recall your post about LAPD training. Hopefully it has improved with time and with the exposure that police force has received. I believe when it is necessary to subdue a prisoner attempting to avoid capture or to escape or to prevent that individual from harming someone, then force must be used. I believe King needed to be subdued as he did not succumb to capture willingly. The line appears to be at what point King was under control and how much physical force was still used when it was unnecessary. I believe there was abuse and that was wrong. On the other hand, I do not excuse King for the part he played. Had he not behaved as he did, a high speed chase would have been avoided and had he not resisted arrest and attacked the officers, no force would have been necessary. However, I certainly distinguish between necessary force and abuse. Abuse is not acceptable on the part of the criminal or the police. I understand your point. :) Joan -- > From: Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: L&I Back Home > Date: Sunday, April 26, 1998 1:16 PM > > Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Hi Joan :) > > I disagree with you :) If you remember a couple of years ago I stated > that the problem was in the training of the LAPD according to their > training they were following the procedures used at the time. OTOH that > does not lift the responsibility off of the officers and what they did, > nor does it lift the responsibility off of RK and what he did. > > Joan Moyer wrote: > > > > "Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > Hello Vi, > > > > Glad the surgery was successful. I had a house on the market once for a > > year and it was a real worry since I had bought another. Glad to read your > > posts. We are probably the only 2 who believe King had to be subdued and > > the officers were not totally at fault. > > > > Joan > > > -- > Kathy E > "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow > isn't looking too good for you either" > http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law & Issues Mailing List > http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories > http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Arnelle Simpson arrested
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Sue, Wasn't there a photo of Sidney in front of Rockingham some time back with a sign that her father was innocent? I thought she believed her father was innocent. Has there been anything different learned? Joan -- > From: Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: L&I Arnelle Simpson arrested > Date: Monday, April 27, 1998 1:07 AM > > Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Hi Kathy: > > And I bet that they do know the *truth*. Or at least Sydney does. :( > How sad. > > Sue > > Hi Sue and All :) > > > > >From what I remember he was saying they were turning the children > > against him, and they told the kids that he murdered Nicole. They denied > > this of course, but no one knows the truth about that except for the > > children. > > -- > Two rules in life: > > 1. Don't tell people everything you know. > 2. > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Back Home
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Bill, Despite the fact that old habits die slowly, as they say :), professional behavior must prevail. I don't recall hearing of the racist comments made on the police radio, but there is no room for such comments over the radio or anywhere in the workplace. Can't control people in their homes or other private areas. I guess education and being raised without hatred is part of the answer, but so much racism within all races still exists, I don't see a lot of hope in the near future. However, it can be controlled on the job. Joan -- > From: William J. Foristal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: L&I Back Home > Date: Monday, April 27, 1998 12:08 PM > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: > > > HI Joan, > > I agree with you completely! There was also some disturbing evidence > that showed some racist comments over the police radio. This is the kind > of foolish behavior that must be eliminated also. > > Bill > > > On Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:57:44 -0400 "Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > >Hello Kathy, > > > >I recall your post about LAPD training. Hopefully it has improved > >with > >time and with the exposure that police force has received. I believe > >when > >it is necessary to subdue a prisoner attempting to avoid capture or to > >escape or to prevent that individual from harming someone, then force > >must > >be used. I believe King needed to be subdued as he did not succumb to > >capture willingly. The line appears to be at what point King was > >under > >control and how much physical force was still used when it was > >unnecessary. > > I believe there was abuse and that was wrong. On the other hand, I > >do not > >excuse King for the part he played. Had he not behaved as he did, a > >high > >speed chase would have been avoided and had he not resisted arrest and > >attacked the officers, no force would have been necessary. However, I > >certainly distinguish between necessary force and abuse. Abuse is not > >acceptable on the part of the criminal or the police. I understand > >your > >point. :) > > > > Joan > > > > > >-- > >> From: Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Subject: Re: L&I Back Home > >> Date: Sunday, April 26, 1998 1:16 PM > >> > >> Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> > >> > >> Hi Joan :) > >> > >> I disagree with you :) If you remember a couple of years ago I > >stated > >> that the problem was in the training of the LAPD according to their > >> training they were following the procedures used at the time. OTOH > >that > >> does not lift the responsibility off of the officers and what they > >did, > >> nor does it lift the responsibility off of RK and what he did. > >> > >> Joan Moyer wrote: > >> > > >> > "Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> > > >> > Hello Vi, > >> > > >> > Glad the surgery was successful. I had a house on the market once > >for > >a > >> > year and it was a real worry since I had bought another. Glad to > >read > >your > >> > posts. We are probably the only 2 who believe King had to be > >subdued > >and > >> > the officers were not totally at fault. > >> > > >> > Joan > >> > > >> -- > >> Kathy E > >> "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and > >tomorrow > >> isn't looking too good for you either" > >> http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law & Issues Mailing List > >> http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories > >> http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime > >photo's > >> > >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues > > > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues > > > > _ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Arnelle Simpson arrested
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Vi, I agree. I believe the family knew Simpson was guilty. It's possible some knew but couldn't face the outcome if he were found guilty. I can understand a family being protective. I do not excuse the Simpson family for blaming others. They made some pretty strong statements about the police and others being at fault. I don't think they really cared about Nicole or Ron, only themselves. Also, they cried racism and yet were guarded by Nation of Islam. Joan -- > From: Viola Provenzano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: L&I Arnelle Simpson arrested > Date: Monday, April 27, 1998 4:26 PM > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: > > > Hi Joan, > > Pardon the intrusion, but I have absolutely no doubt that every member of > the Simpson family knew OJ was guilty. The older daughter lived in the > guest house on Rockingham and must have known exactly what was going on. > Even OJ's mother exclaimed as soon as she heard the news of Nicole"s > death on TV. "OJ killed her!" > > I'm also certain that the family claimd he was innocent to spare him from > time in prison and loss of income from the bad publicity that would ensue > if they did otherwise. > > Vi > > "What the world needs more of is not love, but justice." Anon. > __ > You wrote: > > << with a sign that her father was innocent? I thought she believed her > father was innocent. Has there been anything different learned?>>> > > _ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Back Home
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Bill, Maybe so. It would certainly be a more comfortable place to live. :) Joan -- > From: William J. Foristal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: L&I Back Home > Date: Monday, April 27, 1998 5:07 PM > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: > > > Hi Joan, > > I guess we should be encouraged by the progress that HAS been made over > the past twenty to thirty years. I think as long as everyone continues > to fight for the elimination of racial prejudice and discrimination that > progress will continue. But I doubt if we will ever see the end of it > completely. Perhaps future generations will. > > Bill > > > On Mon, 27 Apr 1998 13:21:52 -0400 "Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > >Hello Bill, > > > >Despite the fact that old habits die slowly, as they say :), > >professional > >behavior must prevail. I don't recall hearing of the racist comments > >made > >on the police radio, but there is no room for such comments over the > >radio > >or anywhere in the workplace. Can't control people in their homes or > >other > >private areas. I guess education and being raised without hatred is > >part > >of the answer, but so much racism within all races still exists, I > >don't > >see a lot of hope in the near future. However, it can be controlled > >on the > >job. > > > > Joan > > > >-- > >> From: William J. Foristal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Subject: Re: L&I Back Home > >> Date: Monday, April 27, 1998 12:08 PM > >> > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: > >> > >> > >> HI Joan, > >> > >> I agree with you completely! There was also some disturbing > >evidence > >> that showed some racist comments over the police radio. This is the > >kind > >> of foolish behavior that must be eliminated also. > >> > >> Bill > >> > >> > >> On Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:57:44 -0400 "Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >writes: > >> >"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> > > >> > > >> >Hello Kathy, > >> > > >> >I recall your post about LAPD training. Hopefully it has improved > >> >with > >> >time and with the exposure that police force has received. I > >believe > >> >when > >> >it is necessary to subdue a prisoner attempting to avoid capture or > >to > >> >escape or to prevent that individual from harming someone, then > >force > >> >must > >> >be used. I believe King needed to be subdued as he did not succumb > >to > >> >capture willingly. The line appears to be at what point King was > >> >under > >> >control and how much physical force was still used when it was > >> >unnecessary. > >> > I believe there was abuse and that was wrong. On the other hand, > >I > >> >do not > >> >excuse King for the part he played. Had he not behaved as he did, > >a > >> >high > >> >speed chase would have been avoided and had he not resisted arrest > >and > >> >attacked the officers, no force would have been necessary. > >However, I > >> >certainly distinguish between necessary force and abuse. Abuse is > >not > >> >acceptable on the part of the criminal or the police. I understand > > > >> >your > >> >point. :) > >> > > >> > Joan > >> > > >> > > >> >-- > >> >> From: Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >> Subject: Re: L&I Back Home > >> >> Date: Sunday, April 26, 1998 1:16 PM > >> >> > >> >> Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Hi Joan :) > >> >> > >> >> I disagree with you :) If you remember a couple of years ago I > >> >stated > >> >> that the problem was in the training of the LAPD according to > >
Re: L&I The Rodney King Beating - The Other Story part two
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Bill, Seems as if Mr. King did quite nicely financially despite breaking the law. And who said crime didn't pay! Joan -- > From: William J. Foristal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: L&I The Rodney King Beating - The Other Story part two > Date: Monday, April 27, 1998 5:07 PM > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: > > > Hi Vi, > > The video wasn't edited. They just didn't show the entire video. I"m > sure King and the cops DO know exactly what went down. And they all paid > for breaking the law. > > Bill > > > On Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:49:44 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) > writes: > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: > > > > > >Hi Sue, > >The point is there was a lot that went on between King and the cops > >before the video was made, and most probably afterward. I heard no > >one say the video had been edited before it was aired on the TV news. > > > >Bottom line: the video didn't tell the whole story, but people like > >George Bush saw it, freaked out and declared there had been injustice > >in the Simi Valley verdict of "not guilty" in the cops' trial. And > >don't imagine that he who attends these trials comes away with the > >certainty that they know exactly what went down. They only know what > >the > >lawyers on either side want them to know and are competent enough to > >reveal. But I'll bet King and the cops know exactly what went down! > >:) > > > >Vi > >__ You wrote: > >. . .<< >to > >thepublic. Maybe they did and I just missed it. I must have seen the > >other one a million times though. It may have helped to understand > >why the jury came to the verdict that they came to.>>>. . . > >_ > >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get > >completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno > >at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: > >subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues > > _ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Arnelle Simpson arrested
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Yvonne, Arnelle was not the driver? Were there no witnesses as to whether any other person was in the car at the time and could have been the driver? If not, it appears they must believe the courts and the public are absolute fools. But then, what did the OJ case show about the courts and a good part of the public. Thank you for your excerpt from Petro's book. I enjoyed the sneak preview. :) Joan -- > From: Yvonne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: L&I Arnelle Simpson arrested > Date: Monday, April 27, 1998 5:45 PM > > "Yvonne " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Don't know if you've all heard the latest scuttle. A "reliable source" > faxed the local KABC radio talk station early this a.m. Purported story is > that the Simpson family has hired Mr Johnny to defend Arnelle. The > proactive defense will be that the entire LAPD is out to get Simpson, > Arnelle was not the driver so now prove your case. > -Original Message- > From: Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Monday, April 27, 1998 2:08 PM > Subject: Re: L&I Arnelle Simpson arrested > > > >Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > >Hi Bill: > > > >I was commenting on what Simpson said the other day, about the kids > >never asking or mentioning their mother's death. According to him they > >haven't said a word, and he hasn't said anything to them. > > > >But he also said (during the custody hearings) that the Brown's had been > >filling their heads with lies, saying that he killed their mother and > >trying to turn them against him. > > > >Terry was just saying that in pictures of the family, Sydney looked very > >protective of her father. > > > >As far as I know the kids have never said anything at all to the media. > > > >I just feel that the kids know what is going on. Especially Sydney with > >her computer. > > > >Sue > >> Hi Sue, > >> > >> I'm a bit confused here. When did anyone actually speak to Sydney and > >> report what she said to the media? And the media has certainly not been > >> allowed to speak to her, have they? It seems that all we have are the > >> statements from biased family members, either the Simpsons or the Browns. > >> I don't see how anyone can conclude anything from this with respect to > >> what she really knows or believes. > >> > >> Bill > > > >-- > >Two rules in life: > > > >1. Don't tell people everything you know. > >2. > > > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues > > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Welcome to two members
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Welcome to both Mike and Kelly. Nice to have you join us. Joan -- > From: Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Law <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: L&I Welcome to two members > Date: Monday, April 27, 1998 7:02 PM > > Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Hi all :) Please welcome Mike and Kelly to the law list :) > > Mike sent me the Noe Update that I posted to the list and he then > joined the list to answer any questions anyone has concerning this :) > > Kelly is a friend of mine that used to lurk on this list but she had to > unsub during finals. She has now rejoined us :) > > I hope the two of you enjoy the list, if you have any questions feel > free to ask :) > -- > Kathy E > "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow > isn't looking too good for you either" > http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law & Issues Mailing List > http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories > http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Back Home
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Vi, I just bought 32 mgs of memory which will increase my present 16 mgs considerably. The only thing that will keep peace in this family is a second computer! I guess the marriage will demand that. Joan -- > From: Viola Provenzano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: L&I Back Home > Date: Monday, April 27, 1998 5:55 PM > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: > > > Hi Joan, > > I happened to mention your computer problrm to the Sheriff. He > recommends you talk to a computer teckie and consider adding a new hard > drive which should allow you and youe husband all the use the two of you > will probably ever need, (Hope I have stated this correctly :)) > > Vi > > "What the world needs more of is not love, but justice." Anon. > __ > You wrote: > > . . .<< think I will keep it. Can't sell it for anything and Dale and I will > then not fight over the computer>>> > > _ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I The Rodney King Beating - The Other Story part two
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Vi, I found it unfair to the taxpayers that King and his lawyers made so much money from the incident. I remember reading at the time the lawyers were criticized for charging an inordinate amount of money. What was the case where a white truck driver was trying to get out of the riot area and a group of young black men stopped him and one beat him almost to death with a brick. He left the man to die and that would have happened except a humane black man got him to the hospital in time. I believe the trucker almost died and his head is still misshapen. What punishment did a predominantly black jury impose upon the perpetrator? How many millions did the trucker receive? I can't remember all the details or even the man's name. How sad that the name of the trucker is forgotten while the name of a criminal like King is known and he became almost a hero. Joan -- > From: Viola Provenzano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: L&I The Rodney King Beating - The Other Story part two > Date: Monday, April 27, 1998 7:35 PM > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: > > > Hi Bill, > > > Seems to me they paid for NOT breaking the law. Just as Rodney King was > the law-breaker, it is the cops that got tried and went to jail. Ole > Rodney ended up smelling like a rose, a millionaire free to continue his > dissolute lifestyle. This is all too typical of alf our topsy-turvy > times > > Vi > > "What the world needs more of is not love, but justice." Anon. > __ > You wrote: > > . . .<< they all paid for breaking the law.>>> > > > > _ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Justice
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Sody, You make a valid point as to how merciful LWP really is. Also, a point about the goal of rehab when the individual will not be released or will be released many so very many years in the future. I don't have a hard and fast position on the DP. I find myself able to agree with it in some instances and not in others. Joan -- > From: Richard Soderstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: L&I Justice > Date: Monday, April 27, 1998 4:22 PM > > Richard Soderstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Bill wrote > > Hi Sody, > > I take no pleasure in nor do I get any satisfaction when anyone dies. > But I DO see the value and necessity in making sure that certain people > are locked away and never allowed to walk free in our society. And I DO > see the need to have strong laws that are enforced in a strong and > expedient manner. > > But there is no way that I could ever think that executing a child was > justified and could certainly derive no satisfaction nor pleasure from > knowing that it was done, here or anywhere else. > > And whether we think precedent is indicative of justice, it is a strong > and effective tool for advocates in the presentation of legal arguments. > > Bill > > Bill : > How can you justify putting anyone in a cell for twenty five years?? I > see no sense in our present system of criminal justice. Prisons if you > must have them should be a sincere effort to reform the individual and > getting him back as a productive member of society. If that is not > possible than dispose of him so that he is no longer a burden on society. > I can't imagine anything more horrible that sentencing a young person ( or > an old person either) to Life Without Parole, really Life Without Hope.. On > one hand we talk of assisted suicide and euthanasia as a relief for such a > life and on the other condemn people to that very thing in the justice > system. > Someone suggested twenty five years for a thirteen year old. In jail until > thirty eight?? What kind of a person will he be and what kind of life will > he be able to lead?? > I guess I am the Dr. Kevorkian of law and order. > > The dirty old Gandy Dancer > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Justice
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Sue, That's where my feeling about life imprisonment comes from. Rehab is a different issue if you are not going to be released. The question then becomes punishment and justice. What best serves those two goals? I think sometimes LWP and sometimes the DP. Joan -- > From: Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: L&I Justice > Date: Monday, April 27, 1998 11:28 PM > > Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Hi Sody: > > A district attorney, the other night on Nightline, said that the law and > prison aren't about rehabilitation. They are about justice and > punishment. > > Sue > > > Bill : > > How can you justify putting anyone in a cell for twenty five years?? I > > see no sense in our present system of criminal justice. Prisons if you > > must have them should be a sincere effort to reform the individual and > > getting him back as a productive member of society. If that is not > > possible than dispose of him so that he is no longer a burden on society. > > I can't imagine anything more horrible that sentencing a young person ( or > > an old person either) to Life Without Parole, really Life Without Hope.. On > > one hand we talk of assisted suicide and euthanasia as a relief for such a > > life and on the other condemn people to that very thing in the justice > > system. > > Someone suggested twenty five years for a thirteen year old. In jail until > > thirty eight?? What kind of a person will he be and what kind of life will > > he be able to lead?? > > I guess I am the Dr. Kevorkian of law and order. > > > > The dirty old Gandy Dancer > > -- > Two rules in life: > > 1. Don't tell people everything you know. > 2. > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Arnelle Simpson arrested
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Yvonne, Does that sound reminiscent of the "real killer"? Will the "real" driver please come forward? They must have absolute contempt for the intelligence of people or absolute belief that they are above the law. Joan -- > From: Yvonne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: L&I Arnelle Simpson arrested > Date: Monday, April 27, 1998 5:56 PM > > "Yvonne " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Nope. According to the scuttle, Cochran says it wasn't Arnelle. And > furthermore, Arnelle wasn't drunk. So, the call is out now for the person > who was behind the driver's seat. > -Original Message- > From: Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Monday, April 27, 1998 2:46 PM > Subject: Re: L&I Arnelle Simpson arrested > > > >Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > >Hi Yvonne: > > > >Oh Geeze...she was sitting in the drivers seat, and the guy who lived > >there came out of his house to see what happened. She started > >apologizing right off the bat about it. LOL > > > >Oh weel, I bet Cochran figures out a way to get her off. Maybe Fuhrman > >was really the driver. > > > >Sue > >> > >> Don't know if you've all heard the latest scuttle. A "reliable source" > >> faxed the local KABC radio talk station early this a.m. Purported story > is > >> that the Simpson family has hired Mr Johnny to defend Arnelle. The > >> proactive defense will be that the entire LAPD is out to get Simpson, > >> Arnelle was not the driver so now prove your case. > > > >-- > >Two rules in life: > > > >1. Don't tell people everything you know. > >2. > > > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues > > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I The Rodney King Beating - The Other Story part two
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Terry, I remembered the case but must admit I could not recall the name of the victim or of the perpetrator. I agree that whatever allowed Williams to avoid punishment was a travesty. Does Denny suffer periods of rage? Somewhere in my memory, I though he actually asked for mercy for those who attacked him. Hard to believe. I don't believe I could have done that. In fact, I think it was wrong of him to do so if his appeal in any way moved the jury not to jail Williams and anyone else who participated. Joan -- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: L&I The Rodney King Beating - The Other Story part two > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 1998 6:45 AM > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > Hi Joan, > > Reginald Denny is not universally forgotten. It is not likely that a > misshapen head is the worst that Denny suffered. His meekness is most > likely interrupted by periods of rage as for most such cases of brain > damage. His injuries are permanent. The trial of Damian Williams was > another travesty as was the original trial of the cops. Some forget that > Briseno should never have been tried at all yet was tried twice. It's just > "the cops" that are discussed. > > >"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > >Hello Vi, > > > >I found it unfair to the taxpayers that King and his lawyers made so much > >money from the incident. I remember reading at the time the lawyers were > >criticized for charging an inordinate amount of money. What was the case > >where a white truck driver was trying to get out of the riot area and a > >group of young black men stopped him and one beat him almost to death with > >a brick. He left the man to die and that would have happened except a > >humane black man got him to the hospital in time. I believe the trucker > >almost died and his head is still misshapen. What punishment did a > >predominantly black jury impose upon the perpetrator? How many millions > >did the trucker receive? I can't remember all the details or even the > >man's name. How sad that the name of the trucker is forgotten while the > >name of a criminal like King is known and he became almost a hero. > > > > Joan > > > >-- > >> From: Viola Provenzano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Subject: Re: L&I The Rodney King Beating - The Other Story part two > >> Date: Monday, April 27, 1998 7:35 PM > >> > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: > >> > >> > >> Hi Bill, > >> > >> > >> Seems to me they paid for NOT breaking the law. Just as Rodney King was > >> the law-breaker, it is the cops that got tried and went to jail. Ole > >> Rodney ended up smelling like a rose, a millionaire free to continue his > >> dissolute lifestyle. This is all too typical of alf our topsy-turvy > >> times > >> > >> Vi > >> > >> "What the world needs more of is not love, but justice." Anon. > >> __ > >> You wrote: > >> > >> . . .<< >> they all paid for breaking the law.>>> > Best, Terry > > "Lawyer - one trained to circumvent the law" - The Devil's Dictionary > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Arnelle Simpson arrested
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Yvonne, I will watch Dateline tonight and tomorrow I'm off to the bookstore! Joan -- > From: Yvonne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: L&I Arnelle Simpson arrested > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 1998 1:36 PM > > "Yvonne " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Petrocelli's book just came out and is sitting next to my keyboard! 636 > glorious pages. > > -Original Message- > From: Joan Moyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 1998 6:14 AM > Subject: Re: L&I Arnelle Simpson arrested > > > >"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > >Hello Yvonne, > > > >Does that sound reminiscent of the "real killer"? Will the "real" driver > >please come forward? They must have absolute contempt for the intelligence > >of people or absolute belief that they are above the law. > > > > Joan > > > >-- > >> From: Yvonne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Subject: Re: L&I Arnelle Simpson arrested > >> Date: Monday, April 27, 1998 5:56 PM > >> > >> "Yvonne " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> > >> > >> Nope. According to the scuttle, Cochran says it wasn't Arnelle. And > >> furthermore, Arnelle wasn't drunk. So, the call is out now for the > >person > >> who was behind the driver's seat. > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Date: Monday, April 27, 1998 2:46 PM > >> Subject: Re: L&I Arnelle Simpson arrested > >> > >> > >> >Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> > > >> > > >> >Hi Yvonne: > >> > > >> >Oh Geeze...she was sitting in the drivers seat, and the guy who lived > >> >there came out of his house to see what happened. She started > >> >apologizing right off the bat about it. LOL > >> > > >> >Oh weel, I bet Cochran figures out a way to get her off. Maybe Fuhrman > >> >was really the driver. > >> > > >> >Sue > >> >> > >> >> Don't know if you've all heard the latest scuttle. A "reliable > >source" > >> >> faxed the local KABC radio talk station early this a.m. Purported > >story > >> is > >> >> that the Simpson family has hired Mr Johnny to defend Arnelle. The > >> >> proactive defense will be that the entire LAPD is out to get Simpson, > >> >> Arnelle was not the driver so now prove your case. > >> > > >> >-- > >> >Two rules in life: > >> > > >> >1. Don't tell people everything you know. > >> >2. > >> > > >> >Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues > >> > > >> > >> > >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues > > > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues > > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Justice
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Terry, There appears to be no fully satisfactory solution in all cases for what to do with those who commit the crime of murder. I have felt the DP was more correct in some instances and LWOP in others. I really don't think one can say the DP deters murder any more than one can say it does not. Some may be deterred and others not. Joan -- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: L&I Justice > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 1998 7:12 AM > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > Hi Joan and Richard, > > Richard does indeed point out some of the problems of LWOP, which is a dodge > used by many opponents of the death penalty. It is lazy thinking or more > accurately sloganeering to head off the heedless passion of those who demand > the death penalty. There is no rational argument for the death penalty. It > may actually increase murders but it does not deter them to the best of our > ability to understand. The victims' family and friends are ignored in > either case. Families in Oklahoma City and innumerable other cases have > begged for the life of the killers. Their voices are as little heeded as > those who cry out for vengeance. > > The greatest problem with the death penalty is the fallibility of our very > faulty justice system which is designed for drama rather than truth. Our > fine governor, George Pataki, who proudly proclaims his reinstatement of the > death penalty once used the case in Illinois where two men were railroaded > in the rape/murder of a young girl to scream about the abominable and > unjustified delays in carrying out the death penalty. Prosecutors and > investigators have been indicted for the things prosecutors and > investigators often do. The killer as usual goes unpunished. Killers > usually do in this country. > > >"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >Hello Sody, > > > >You make a valid point as to how merciful LWP really is. Also, a point > >about the goal of rehab when the individual will not be released or will be > >released many so very many years in the future. I don't have a hard and > >fast position on the DP. I find myself able to agree with it in some > >instances and not in others. > > > > Joan > > Richard Soderstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> How can you justify putting anyone in a cell for twenty five years?? I > >> see no sense in our present system of criminal justice. Prisons if you > >> must have them should be a sincere effort to reform the individual and > >> getting him back as a productive member of society. If that is not > >> possible than dispose of him so that he is no longer a burden on society. > >> I can't imagine anything more horrible that sentencing a young person ( > >or > >> an old person either) to Life Without Parole, really Life Without Hope.. > >On > >> one hand we talk of assisted suicide and euthanasia as a relief for such > >a > >> life and on the other condemn people to that very thing in the justice > >> system. > >> Someone suggested twenty five years for a thirteen year old. In jail > >until > >> thirty eight?? What kind of a person will he be and what kind of life > >will > >> he be able to lead?? > >> I guess I am the Dr. Kevorkian of law and order. > >> > >> The dirty old Gandy Dancer > >> > >> > >> > >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues > > > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues > > > > > Best, Terry > > "Lawyer - one trained to circumvent the law" - The Devil's Dictionary > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I A Second Computer
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Vi, I have a Gateway now and it has been very satisfactory. I'm also looking at Dell. Joan -- > From: Viola Provenzano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: L&I A Second Computer > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 1998 12:47 AM > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: > > > Joan, > > I can understand that, although my own spouse would not come near a > computer and had absolutely no interest in one - not even to track the > stock market or to assist him in doing his income tax. I think one of > the best buys around is Gateway, if you can wait until they build it for > you. > > Vi > > "What the world needs more of is not love, but justice." Anon. > __ > You wrote: > > . . .<< second computer! I guess the marriage will demand that. >> > > > > _ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: Rodney King (was L&I Back Home)
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Len, I formed that opinion from the trial publicity at the time. Wasn't that part of the evidence used by the defense? Did King deny resisting? I don't have any transcripts. Joan -- > From: Leonard Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Rodney King (was L&I Back Home) > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 1998 6:57 PM > > Leonard Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Hi Joan > > There was no evidence that Rodney King "attacked" the officers or, even for > that matter, physically resisted arrest after the car stopped. What is it > that makes you think he did those things? > > Len > > > > > > At 01:57 PM 4/26/1998 -0400, you wrote: > >"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > >Hello Kathy, > > > >I recall your post about LAPD training. Hopefully it has improved with > >time and with the exposure that police force has received. I believe when > >it is necessary to subdue a prisoner attempting to avoid capture or to > >escape or to prevent that individual from harming someone, then force must > >be used. I believe King needed to be subdued as he did not succumb to > >capture willingly. The line appears to be at what point King was under > >control and how much physical force was still used when it was unnecessary. > > I believe there was abuse and that was wrong. On the other hand, I do not > >excuse King for the part he played. Had he not behaved as he did, a high > >speed chase would have been avoided and had he not resisted arrest and > >attacked the officers, no force would have been necessary. However, I > >certainly distinguish between necessary force and abuse. Abuse is not > >acceptable on the part of the criminal or the police. I understand your > >point. :) > > > > Joan > > > > > >-- > >> From: Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Subject: Re: L&I Back Home > >> Date: Sunday, April 26, 1998 1:16 PM > >> > >> Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> > >> > >> Hi Joan :) > >> > >> I disagree with you :) If you remember a couple of years ago I stated > >> that the problem was in the training of the LAPD according to their > >> training they were following the procedures used at the time. OTOH that > >> does not lift the responsibility off of the officers and what they did, > >> nor does it lift the responsibility off of RK and what he did. > >> > >> Joan Moyer wrote: > >> > > >> > "Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> > > >> > Hello Vi, > >> > > >> > Glad the surgery was successful. I had a house on the market once for > >a > >> > year and it was a real worry since I had bought another. Glad to read > >your > >> > posts. We are probably the only 2 who believe King had to be subdued > >and > >> > the officers were not totally at fault. > >> > > >> > Joan > >> > > >> -- > >> Kathy E > >> "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow > >> isn't looking too good for you either" > >> http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law & Issues Mailing List > >> http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories > >> http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's > >> > >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues > > > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues > > > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Justice
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Hello Terry,
Every effort should be made to make certain the individual arrested and
tried for a crime is actually guilty. The justice system correctly comes
under attack here. No innocent should be convicted and no guilty person
should go free. In a perfect world - maybe. In the real world it isn't
so.
Joan
--
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: L&I Justice
> Date: Tuesday, April 28, 1998 8:36 PM
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>
> >"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> >
> >Hello Terry,
> >
> >There appears to be no fully satisfactory solution in all cases for what
to
> >do with those who commit the crime of murder. I have felt the DP was
more
> >correct in some instances and LWOP in others. I really don't think one
can
> >say the DP deters murder any more than one can say it does not. Some
may
> >be deterred and others not.
> >
> > Joan
>
> Hi Joan,
>
> Obviously a dead Ted Bundy will kill no more but at least one serial
killer
> ("Charmer," Jack Olsen) took Bundy as a model. Those executed become
more
> of a heroic model than a caged animal like Charles Manson, even with his
> cult following. Anyway statistics seem to bear out that a death penalty
> actually increases murders rather than deters them.
>
> But my main complaint against the death penalty is that we kill innocent
> people. Few advocates of the death penalty are willing to face that.
>
> Even above that the executioner often harvests the least offensive
killers.
> Caryl Chessman, whose ghost saved many from the hangman for decades,
wrote
> about some bank robbers who killed a teller. When the driver, who had
never
> before been involved in serious crime, was executed the hardened killers
had
> escaped with their lives. As best I can recall they were already out of
> prison. They knew the ropes and had access to the best defense lawyers.
> That's pretty much the way the system works.
> Best, Terry
>
> "Lawyer - one trained to circumvent the law" - The Devil's Dictionary
>
>
>
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Re: L&I The Rodney King Beating - The Other Story part two
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Terry, How awful to go through life that way. Have any of those who harmed Denny, or their families, ever made any attempt to help him or show concern and sympathy? I don't recall who defended Williams. Joan -- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: L&I The Rodney King Beating - The Other Story part two > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 1998 9:14 PM > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > Hi Joan, > > >"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > [about Reginald Denny] > > >Hello Terry, > > > >I remembered the case but must admit I could not recall the name of the > >victim or of the perpetrator. I agree that whatever allowed Williams to > >avoid punishment was a travesty. Does Denny suffer periods of rage? > > I don't know. He appeared to this untrained observer and to others more > knowledgeable to be typical of someone who has suffered severe and permanent > brain damage. > > >Somewhere in my memory, I though he actually asked for mercy for those who > >attacked him. Hard to believe. I don't believe I could have done that. > > What you should understand is that is quite typical behavior. I visited a > cowboy years ago a couple of times in an asylum. He had been dragged by his > horse, his skull was split open and I was told even some of his brain matter > spilled out on the desert ground. I don't know that the last was not the > usual color but the papers were full of the miraculous recovery. This was > many years ago when brain surgery was very rare. > > Jim became very placid, a vast change from his former temperament. He did > not return to his wife and kids. His wife had her hands full without him. > His brother took him in but eventually gave up and Jim went to an asylum for > the rest of his life. The sudden rages, though rare, were just too scary > especially with the usual access to weapons available on a farm. It is > somewhat equivalent to the sudden rages of those with Alzheimer's who are > mostly quite tranquil. > > >In fact, I think it was wrong of him to do so if his appeal in any way > >moved the jury not to jail Williams and anyone else who participated. > > > > Joan > > Don't blame him, Joan. The poor guy was brain damaged. Unfortunately you > can't say the same for those who used him. > Best, Terry > > "Lawyer - one trained to circumvent the law" - The Devil's Dictionary > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Justice
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Sue, Your worry is warranted. So many times they hurt people and society again and again. Joan -- > From: Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: L&I Justice > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 1998 10:27 PM > > Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Hi Joan: > > I agree with him but wonder what they would be releasing out into > society if they didn't rehab these people. Not the LWOP ones of course > but the others. > > Sue > > Hello Sue, > > > > That's where my feeling about life imprisonment comes from. Rehab is a > > different issue if you are not going to be released. The question then > > becomes punishment and justice. What best serves those two goals? I think > > sometimes LWP and sometimes the DP. > > > > Joan > > > -- > Two rules in life: > > 1. Don't tell people everything you know. > 2. > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I All members please read
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Kathy, Sorry you feel you must give up the position of LO, but I understand the terrific drain of time that must be required. It is understandable that you want and need time for your other interests. Is Ed willing to assume the total responsibility? If not please post the names of those members who would be interested in taking on the job. I haven't the skill and of course being out of commission for over three months each year also precludes my ability to help out. Keep us posted. :) Joan -- > From: Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Law <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: L&I All members please read > Date: Wednesday, April 29, 1998 4:02 AM > > Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Hi all :) > > I have been considering something lately and I have made my decision, I > really enjoy this list and what we have become :) Sure there are > differences of opinions and sometimes some pretty heavy debating but > through it all a common respect for each other has prevailed, that is > appreciated :) > > One thing has been laying heavy on my mind though. I posed this in > private to a couple of people and I was met with strong objections and > some even threatened to leave if I do this, well I hope they don't carry > out on their threats but I have to do what is best for me, and right now > is not a good time for me to be the list owner of this list. I have > several ongoing projects right now and it is not giving me the time to > do what I need to as the LO of this list, that isn't fair to you the > members. Plus I also want a break if not permanent at least temporary > UFN. > > I suggest if you are interested in running this list you contact me in > private, if so desired there can be a vote on the new LO of the Law > list, and I will offer them complete support in the admin of the list > and how to do the different files and configurations, I will also have > Esosoft turn the list over to their name and have mine removed. As of > right now I have the list payed up until November 1998. > > I will be stepping down effective May 4, I think that is more than > enough time for you all to decide who you want as the new LO. In case > anyone is wondering no I'm not leaving the list I'm just stepping down > as the LO and I'll still post the COTD's and summaries of trials I watch > and so on :) > > Thanks for your time :) > -- > Kathy E > "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow > isn't looking too good for you either" > http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law & Issues Mailing List > http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories > http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I The Rodney King Beating - The Other Story part two
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Bill, I realize King was not paid for breaking the law but rather for the treatment and injuries which took place in his capture. I understand the distinction. :) Joan -- > From: William J. Foristal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: L&I The Rodney King Beating - The Other Story part two > Date: Wednesday, April 29, 1998 11:42 AM > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: > > > Hi Joan, > > He was not paid money for breaking the law. He was paid money as > compensation for pain and suffering that was due to the police breaking > the law. That is an important distinction. And, as I understand it, the > guy who made the most money is his lawyer. I don't think King is any > better off from his experience with the LAPD. Money is certainly not the > answer to his problems, but our laws do hold people responsible for > monetary remuneration to compensate for pain and suffering due to an > unlawful act. Even for acts that are lawful but deemed culpatory. > > Again, we have to try to separate our bias against King because of who > and what he is and really look at the actions of everyone in this > incident to draw a reasonable conclusion about it, IMO. > > Bill > > > On Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:37:59 -0400 "Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > >Hello Bill, > > > >Seems as if Mr. King did quite nicely financially despite breaking the > >law. > > And who said crime didn't pay! > > > > Joan > > > >-- > >> From: William J. Foristal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Subject: Re: L&I The Rodney King Beating - The Other Story part two > >> Date: Monday, April 27, 1998 5:07 PM > >> > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: > >> > >> > >> Hi Vi, > >> > >> The video wasn't edited. They just didn't show the entire video. > >I"m > >> sure King and the cops DO know exactly what went down. And they all > >paid > >> for breaking the law. > >> > >> Bill > >> > >> > >> On Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:49:44 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) > >> writes: > >> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: > >> > > >> > > >> >Hi Sue, > >> >The point is there was a lot that went on between King and the cops > > > >> >before the video was made, and most probably afterward. I heard no > > > >> >one say the video had been edited before it was aired on the TV > >news. > >> > > >> >Bottom line: the video didn't tell the whole story, but people > >like > >> >George Bush saw it, freaked out and declared there had been > >injustice > >> >in the Simi Valley verdict of "not guilty" in the cops' trial. And > > > >> >don't imagine that he who attends these trials comes away with the > >> >certainty that they know exactly what went down. They only know > >what > >> >the > >> >lawyers on either side want them to know and are competent enough > >to > >> >reveal. But I'll bet King and the cops know exactly what went > >down! > >> >:) > >> > > >> >Vi > >> >__ You wrote: > >> >. . .<< >beginning > >> >to > >> >thepublic. Maybe they did and I just missed it. I must have seen > >the > >> >other one a million times though. It may have helped to understand > > > >> >why the jury came to the verdict that they came to.>>>. . . > >> > >>_ > > > >> >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > >Get > >> >completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call > >Juno > >> >at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: > >> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: > >> >subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues > >> > >> > >_ > >> You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > >> Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > >> Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > >> > >> > >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues > > > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues > > > > _ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Justice
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Terry, I agree that trials do not seem to be a search for the truth, mores the pity. However, from all I've read and heard there seems to be a long time between sentencing and the death penalty actually being carried out. Isn't it usually many years? I certainly agree there is no excuse for killing innocent people. How would you feel about the DP if you were sure there had not been a miscarriage of justice and no innocent person would be executed? Joan -- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: L&I Justice > Date: Wednesday, April 29, 1998 1:23 PM > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > >"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > >Hello Terry, > > > >Every effort should be made to make certain the individual arrested and > >tried for a crime is actually guilty. The justice system correctly comes > >under attack here. No innocent should be convicted and no guilty person > >should go free. In a perfect world - maybe. In the real world it isn't > >so. > > > > Joan > > Hi Joan, > > Trials are drama and theater. They are morality plays. Only a fool > believes they are a search for the truth. The verdict has to do with the > resources each side can command, the abilities of the individual lawyers. > > It will never be a perfect world but that is not an excuse for killing > innocent people as long as errors can be rectified. In fact we are > hell-bent on killing those convicted as soon as possible. The Supreme Court > itself has agreed with the proposition that evidence of innocence is > immaterial if it is found beyond some arbitrary time limit. > > When innocent people are executed we are all implicated. How are we > different from the killers who say their victim deserved it? > Best, Terry > > "Lawyer - one trained to circumvent the law" - The Devil's Dictionary > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I The Rodney King Beating - The Other Story part two
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Terry, I'm glad Denny has received help. I'm not surprised neither Williams nor his family were part of that help. Joan -- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: L&I The Rodney King Beating - The Other Story part two > Date: Wednesday, April 29, 1998 1:31 PM > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > >"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > >Hello Terry, > > > >How awful to go through life that way. Have any of those who harmed Denny, > >or their families, ever made any attempt to help him or show concern and > >sympathy? I don't recall who defended Williams. > > > > Joan > > Hi Joan, > > The lawyer who defended Williams is a black man with a foreign accent who > has been on television many times. I don't know his name. > > We are helping Denny. He won a large award from the government. In > actuality there is nothing that can be done for Denny himself but his family > was made financially secure. > > It is unlikely that Williams or family or friends have done a damn thing for > Denny. > Best, Terry > > "Lawyer - one trained to circumvent the law" - The Devil's Dictionary > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Justice
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Terry, With all the hatred in today's world, there is nothing wrong with being humane. Joan -- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: L&I Justice > Date: Wednesday, April 29, 1998 10:22 PM > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > >"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >Hello Terry, > > > >I agree that trials do not seem to be a search for the truth, mores the > >pity. However, from all I've read and heard there seems to be a long time > >between sentencing and the death penalty actually being carried out. Isn't > >it usually many years? > > Remember, Joan, that the most notorious case of prosecutor misconduct in > this country currently which sent two men to death row was a cause celebre > used to limit the appeals process. And the appeals process very seldom > looks at evidence of innocence. They are mostly in interested in the famous > procedural error which often has nothing whatever to do with guilt or > innocence. One man went to his death with the Supreme Court agreeing that > such evidence didn't matter. It was too late. > > >I certainly agree there is no excuse for killing innocent people. > > Then it is illogical to favor the death penalty. > > >How would you feel about the DP if you were sure there > >had not been a miscarriage of justice and no innocent person would be > >executed? > > > > Joan > > I shed no tears whatever for Ted Bundy. I think it will be just fine when > Richard C. Harris is put out of his misery. I am sorry Pol Pot died before > they hanged him. > > Being a bleeding heart liberal doesn't mean you don't have normal human > emotions. > Best, Terry > > "Lawyer - one trained to circumvent the law" - The Devil's Dictionary > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Lawyer in Brawley case jailed
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello mac. Hope your vacation was enjoyable and informative. Glad to see you back in the list. Joan -- > From: Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: L&I Lawyer in Brawley case jailed > Date: Thursday, April 30, 1998 8:29 PM > > Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Hi Mac: > > Glad to see you back. :) > > Sue > > Evenin' Kathy, > >Only one night for his third violation! Gee..Susan McDougal spent how many months > > for one violationsomething is wrong with the BIG picture. > > ...Mac > > > -- > Two rules in life: > > 1. Don't tell people everything you know. > 2. > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Thanks
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Mac, What's the local word on the Nanny case? Joan -- > From: moonshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: L&I Thanks > Date: Friday, May 01, 1998 9:24 AM > > moonshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > Joan Moyer wrote: > > > Hello mac. > > > > Hope your vacation was enjoyable and informative. Glad to see you back in > > the list. > > > > Joan > > > > > > Hi Mac: > > > > > > Glad to see you back. :) > > > > > > Sue > > Mornin', > Thank you Joan and Sue. The trip was fantastic and wish I was still there. > ...Mac > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I NO MAIL
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Bob, Your message got through. Joan -- > From: Robert Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: law list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: L&I NO MAIL > Date: Friday, May 01, 1998 7:05 PM > > Robert Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Hi All > would someone let me know if this gets through.im not getting any mail > from the group. > bob,wa > > -- > I dont suffer from stress.I'M a carrier.. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I All members please read
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Kathy, What a nice experience it is to be asked to have your research used in school! Good luck with the project. I'm sure the students will love your stories. Joan -- > From: Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: L&I All members please read > Date: Friday, May 01, 1998 6:25 PM > > Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Well Len I posed it in private when I first decided I needed a break I > then did take a week break, but decided I want more than a week and I'm > going to take that come Monday, I have a right also to talk to some > friends in private not everything I do is on put out on this list. > > The final reason for the decision is I did have one nice thing happen > and I want to devote some time to that, one of my Rodeo friends his > mother contacted me, she had read my cowboy's histories and liked them, > well she is also a fourth grade teacher and is recommending that my > histories be taught to her schools fourth grade class, I admit that > really surprised me and made me feel good :) I have had others in the > past ask me for my permission to use the histories and of course I have > no problem with that, but this is the first time I am having a school > ask to use it for all their 4th grade class, so I am going to knuckle > down and start doing some more of those for them to use :) > > If no one is willing to take over as LO I am notifying Esosoft to close > down the list so I am not held financially responsible for it, and I > don't continue getting all the email related to running the list. > > Short notice? Maybe, but a week's time is usually long enough to decide > if your willing to do something or not. > > The financial cost for the list is inexpensive - it costs $50 for a > year. The biggest burden is time, you need to have some time every day > to devote to the list. I devote anywhere from 3-4 hours per day when a > trial isn't on going more if there is a trial. Now if someone decides to > be an inactive LO, then there really isn't much to do except for all the > unsubs/subs and bounced messages that the LO does, and of course reading > all the messages. I myself tend to be more of an active LO, trying to do > up reports and such and find interesting new things to discuss for the > list if possible, and of course a bit of research when members ask for > information and you need to go find it for them, so on and so on. > > If you find someone else that you are comfortable working with let me > know and I will forward your name on to Esosoft and talk to you in > private about the rest of the details. Of course I will be here to offer > any assistance that is needed :) > > Leonard Booth wrote: > > > > Leonard Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > Kathy > > > > Thanks for bringing us in on this. It seems like pretty short notice to > > me. If you're going to bail out for a while, why did you pose this in > > private to only a couple of people. > > > > What did you propose that you met with strong objection to. > > > > What will the monthly cost be to keep the list going after November. What > > is involved and how much time per day or week is required to keep the list > > going. > > > > I'm willing to volunteer some time if someone else will also. > > > > Len > -- > Kathy E > "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow > isn't looking too good for you either" > http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law & Issues Mailing List > http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories > http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Louise Woodward
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Kathy, I have no compassion for LW either. Small price she has paid for the death of the baby. Joan -- > From: Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: L&I Louise Woodward > Date: Friday, March 13, 1998 10:01 AM > > Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I suppose this was released to the press so we can feel compassion for > her and her situation, sorry it's not working with me, I have a hard > time feeling any compassion for her and her situation. > > Sue Hartigan wrote: > > Boston Globe: > > > > MARBLEHEAD - Add this to Louise Woodward's law troubles: She's not > > allowed > > to work at the local dog pound. > -- > Kathy E > "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow > isn't looking too good for you either" > http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law & Issues Mailing List > http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories > http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I You might be a teacher if...
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Sue, LOL! A nice way to start the day. :) Joan -- > From: Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: L&I You might be a teacher if... > Date: Saturday, March 14, 1998 12:20 AM > > Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Joan and Jackie ; > > I think you will like this one. :) Sue > > You might be a teacher if... > > You want to slap the next person who says, "Must be nice to have all > your holidays and summers free. > > You can tell it's a full moon without ever looking outside. > > You believe "shallow gene pool" should have it's own box on the report > card. > > When out in public, you feel the urge to talk to strange children and > correct their behavior. > > When you mention "vegetables" and you're not talking about a food > group. > > You think people should be required to get a government permit before > being allowed to reproduce. > > You wonder how some parents ever MANAGED to reproduce. > > You can't have children of your own, because there is NO name you could > give a child that wouldn't bring on high blood pressure the moment you > heard it. > > Meeting a child's parents INSTANTLY answers the question, "Why is this > kid like this?" > -- > Two rules in life: > > 1. Don't tell people everything you know. > 2. > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Windows 98 the rundown.
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Steve, If Win 98 will be the last version, would it be better to wait for one of the coming flavors of WinNT: Consumer, Workstation, Server? I know nothing about any of the three. Joan -- > From: Steve Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Law Issues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: L&I Windows 98 the rundown. > Date: Saturday, March 14, 1998 8:48 AM > > Steve Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Windows 98 is basically a slightly rewritten version of Win95(b), with IE4 > and active desktop fitted as standard. > It includes updated dial up networking. > Converter from fat16 to fat32 for hard drives. > Improved defrag utility which puts an applications files in a strip to > improve loading times. > Improved memory management for machines with over 64mb ram (95a dies not > allocate memory properly after 32mb) this is why Microsoft stay is the > optimum amount of memory for a 95 machine. > Faster shutting down. > Common driver model which will enable a device to use the same driver for > Win98 it uses for Nt5. > > The jump from Win95 to Win98 is not as significant as that from 3.11 to 95, > it is an evolutionary update to the O.S > > Win98 is however the last version there will be, after this there will be > three flavors of WinNT, Consumer, Workstation, Server. > > Steve > > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Report: Windows 98 Will Be Released
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Steve, Wow! 1000mhz. Can't imagine needing that much power. I will take your advice about the 300 as opposed to the 333. Have you any thoughts on Dell Vs Gateway or some other manufacturer? Joan -- > From: Steve Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: L&I Report: Windows 98 Will Be Released > Date: Saturday, March 14, 1998 9:55 AM > > Steve Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > >I like Win 95, but my computer is a 485 and I don't really want to upgrade > >much anymore. I would like to get one of the new 333Mgh, but am a little > >worried about whether there are "bug's to be ironed out and, of course, the > >price is high on the 333. I think it is a lot more reasonable on the 233, > >but I don't want to be outdated so quickly. Guess in this day of > >computers, even the 333 will be outdated the day after one gets it. > > > Hi Joan, don't worry about bugs in the Pentium Pro/PII, you are more likely > to suffer problems due to software bugs or dodgy memory. Rather than a > problem with the processor (Cyrix excluded in that statement). The PII is > great but most machines with a 333 only offer about 7% better performance > that a 300 so I'd go for that. > Also Intel will be releasing Socket2 processors soon as well as quad speed > AGP ports, so what the news reports in the trades. > A machine to last I would say is a P2/300 128mb SDram, 6-12gb Harddrive, 4mb > agp card, 17" monitor. > In two years time we will be running on machines that will hit the 1000mhz > barrier but I don't know what you could do that will kneed that much > horsepower. > > Steve > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Please test my connectivity
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Steve, I received this at 5:21 PM on Saturday, Mar. 14. Joan -- > From: Steve Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Law Issues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: L&I Please test my connectivity > Date: Saturday, March 14, 1998 4:00 PM > > Steve Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I would be grateful if you would send this message back to me. > My average email is about 60-100per day so I need to tell my ISP how much > they have lost. > > Cheers Steve > > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Windows 98 the rundown.
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Steve, I use Dos for the tax program. Does that limit my choices? So far my Gateway 486, 16 megs ram has handled everything. I don't play many games. Joan -- > From: Steve Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Law Issues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: L&I Windows 98 the rundown. > Date: Saturday, March 14, 1998 5:23 PM > > Steve Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > >Hello Steve, > > > >If Win 98 will be the last version, would it be better to wait for one of > >the coming flavors of > >WinNT: Consumer, Workstation, Server? I know nothing about any of the > >three. > > > > Joan > > > My recommendation to anyone would have to be, if you play games (dos or > windows) go for Win98. > However if you are a user who uses just windows apps, like myself, then I'd > upgrade to NT4 (make sure you can get NT4 drivers for your hardware though > and plenty of memory). You need more ram in NT than in 95 to do the same > thing. > > Minimum P133 32Mb+ Fast HD > > Recc P166 64mb > > I have a P100 48mb and I suffer for it... > > If any of you would like some more in-depth advice, your more than welcome > to mail me, it'll be a nice distraction form my database assignment :-) > > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: L&I Lesson learned: Some jokes aren't funny
"Joan Moyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hello Kathy, Lyons is minister in a St. Petersburg church not far from us. It was impossible not to follow all aspects of his case since the Tampa and St. Petersburg papers covered it thoroughly. The man is an absolute scoundrel and it is to the shame of his ministry that he was not removed from office. Shooting him, however, is quite another matter! Joan -- > From: Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Law <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: L&I Lesson learned: Some jokes aren't funny > Date: Sunday, March 15, 1998 7:05 AM > > Kathy E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > A Pinellas County, Fla., jury has acquitted a man who was charged with > plotting to murder the Rev. Henry Lyons, the embattled president of the > National Baptist Convention USA. > > Fifty-two-year-old Dale Hutchins had been accused of offering an > acquaintance $1,100 to kill the controversial Lyons, who last week was > charged with racketeering and grand theft for his alleged mishandling of > convention funds. > > Prosecutors said that on August 12, Hutchins walked into a St. > Petersburg doughnut shop where both he and Arthur Siemers were regular > customers, slapped a wad of cash down on a counter in front of Siemers > and told him he could earn the money by killing Lyons. > > Siemers, a 59-year-old piano teacher, told police of the incident, and > Hutchins was charged with solicitation to commit murder. > > But Hutchins told investigators he had merely been kidding with > Siemers, who was the frequent butt of his jokes. > > Hutchins told St. Petersburg police detectives, ``Everybody had a > little chuckle about it and it was over. He said his only intent was > ''to upset Arthur.`` > > Jurors apparently believed Hutchins did not intend to arrange Lyons' > death. After the verdict was announced, juror Joseph Alexander told > reporters, ``I think it was a bad, stupid joke.'' > > Assistant Public Defender David Parry had told the jury that the > prosecution pursued the case against Hutchins so as to appear even- > handed in its dealings with Lyons -- a suggestion one prosecutor called > ``spurious.'' > > When Circuit Judge Douglas Baird told him he was free to leave, > Hutchins, who had faced up to nine years in prison if convicted, turned > to prosecutors and said, ``No hard feelings.'' > -- > Kathy E > "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow > isn't looking too good for you either" > http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law & Issues Mailing List > http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories > http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
