[Ldsoss] Leadership Directory
Are there any plans to have the leadership directory on the web sites populated from the MLS system? The current system is not particularly user-friendly, which means that it often isn't current. --- Bill Pringle work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.unisysfsp.com http://www.unisys.com home/school: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.personal.psu.edu/~wrp103 http://CherylWheeler.com ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
[Ldsoss] Checkers 1.0 rc3
Checkers release candidate 3 has been released for linux only. - Integrated Byron's "cleaner" patch for "pygame 1.6-2" on debian-based distros. - Fixed the tar-balling so that checkers untars into it's own versioned subdirectory Let me know if RC2/RC3 doesn't run on your favorite distro. I'm hoping this is the last release candidate, so I can get back to working on new features. :-) ~ Nathan ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Stake/Ward Web Site Utilities
I can verify the Outlook 2003 bug with events that don’t have an assigned time. They import as the day before the actual event. Ditto on the ward directory import Aaron. Jeff From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Skonnard Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 11:53 AM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Stake/Ward Web Site Utilities Peter, I tried using this feature yesterday to do an import into Outlook 2003. I got an error with the iCal format saying it was an invalid file so I used the vCal format instead. The import seemed to work but many of the events actually showed up a day early in Outlook (than the day the appear on the online calendar) -- it doesn't happen with every event, just some of them -- it may just be with events that don't have a time associated with them (at least the time doesn't show up on the month view). Are you aware of this bug? Has the church also considered making a ward directory download available as well? Making it easy to import the ward list into electronic devices would also be a big win. -aaron ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Stake/Ward Web Site Utilities
On 7 Feb 2006 at 14:24, Pete Whiting wrote: > Regarding the vcal format, I need to review the spec to make sure > I understand how to deal with events that do not have an > associated time (only a date). If you can post a sample of what > the vcal vevent should look like it may save some work. The vCal I downloaded for our ward calendar bombs importing into Palm Desktop. First, I run out of virtual memory (good heavens, the file is only 200K), and then it pops up a message that the file is corrupt. Unfortunately, the only way Palm Desktop will export a vCal is through email and I don't have an email program set up to use with Palm Desktop. --Richard ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Stake/Ward Web Site Utilities
Pete Whiting wrote: > > >Let me know which clients this file works on and which ones it doesn’t. I’m >particularly interested in the description field. Most clients ignore the html >formatting and I’m not worried about that * I am interested in missing text. >The commas and semicolons are escaped * hopefully the clients properly process >that and show non-escaped commas and semicolons. (See the Feb 2 event, for an >example.) > > Works fine for Apple iCal and I don't see any escaped characters in the descriptions. Looking at RFC 2445 it looks like the value type for Description is TEXT which is defined as: text = *(TSAFE-CHAR / ":" / DQUOTE / ESCAPED-CHAR) TSAFE-CHARs (type safe characters) are: Space 0x20 '!' 0x21 (Skipping double quote) '#' to '+' 0x23 to 0x2B (Skipping commas) '-' to '9' 0x2D to 0x39 (Skipping ':' and ';') '<' to '[' 0x3C to 0x5B (Skipping '\') ']' to '~' 0x5D to 0x7E ":" and DQUOTE (double quote) are added. ESCAPED-CHAR (escaped characters are: '\' escaped by "\\" ';' escaped by "\;" ',' escaped by "\," (new line) escaped by "\n" or "\N" So it looks like you may need to escape '\' and newlines as well (if there are any). -stacey. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: scouting software (Re: Re: [Ldsoss] Stake/Ward Web Site Utilities)
--- Bryan Murdock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2/7/06, Gary Thornock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> As it happens, the BSA doesn't produce software like that. >> They have a data interchange specification that software >> developers can use to interact with the systems at the council >> offices, but from there, it's up to third party developers >> to produce unit management programs. There are a number >> of good ones available, albeit most if not all of them are >> Windows-only, which isn't the best way to make Mac and Linux >> users (am I the only one?) happy. > > You are not the only one! Do you know where someone could get > ahold of those data interchange specifications? I've seen > software that claims to be Scoutnet Certified, or something > like that, but google hasn't yet shown me what that means how > one would go about becoming such. I'm not sure how to go about getting the Scoutnet specs. If I were to take the time to write a new troop management program, I'd probably start by asking my local council office if they knew, or knew who to ask. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: scouting software (Re: Re: [Ldsoss] Stake/Ward Web Site Utilities)
Hi Bryan, I meant it as an example, correct. You migth want to ask the authors of this program how they became ScoutNet certified. Since it is a free program they might be more willing to tell you than the commercial ones. Regards, Manfred. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bryan Murdock Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 5:34 PM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: Re: scouting software (Re: Re: [Ldsoss] Stake/Ward Web Site Utilities) On 2/7/06, Manfred Riem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi there, > > You mean http://www.scoutsoft.net/? Um, not quite. That is just one example of a ScoutNet certified application (see http://www.scoutsoft.net/sb01001.htm#snet), but I'm curious as to how one becomes ScoutNet certified. Bryan ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: scouting software (Re: Re: [Ldsoss] Stake/Ward Web Site Utilities)
On 2/7/06, Manfred Riem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi there, > > You mean http://www.scoutsoft.net/? Um, not quite. That is just one example of a ScoutNet certified application (see http://www.scoutsoft.net/sb01001.htm#snet), but I'm curious as to how one becomes ScoutNet certified. Bryan ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
scouting software (Re: Re: [Ldsoss] Stake/Ward Web Site Utilities)
On 2/7/06, TJ Hunter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2/7/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I would love you forever if you could incorporate this information into the > > website. I would love to see scouting incorporated as well - but Duty to > > God would be my first priority as a YMs President and that would be a HUGE > > help. > > > I can see the church moving VERY slowly on integrating scouting. > Remember a few years ago when the church was threatening to > discontinue their support for the Boy Scout program because the BSA > was considering allowing homosexuals to be Boy Scout leaders? Worse > case scenario, I can imagine the church doing all that work for the > scouting program, then the BSA does something like that again, and the > church ends creating their own organization to replace it. Boy Scouts > != LDS Church. This myth really needs to die already. The BSA never threatened to change who they allowed to be leaders. Maybe the ACLU threatened to force them, but the BSA never wanted it, and won the court case. The Church plays a huge part in the BSA. Besides being a large sponsor of BSA troops/packs/crews/teams, many of the professional scouters and scouting executives are members of The Church. It is incredibly unlikely that the BSA could make a decision that would alienate us. Bryan ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: Re: [Ldsoss] Stake/Ward Web Site Utilities
On 2/7/06, Gary Thornock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > albeit most if not all of them are Windows-only, which isn't the > best way to make Mac and Linux users (am I the only one?) happy. Nope, you're not the only one. I'm a Mac and Linux user too, which makes at least two! ~ Nathan ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: scouting software (Re: Re: [Ldsoss] Stake/Ward Web Site Utilities)
Hi there, You mean http://www.scoutsoft.net/? Regards, Manfred -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bryan Murdock Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 5:21 PM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: scouting software (Re: Re: [Ldsoss] Stake/Ward Web Site Utilities) On 2/7/06, Gary Thornock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- TJ Hunter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The church might also get into legal trouble with creating the > > software. The BSA is pretty strict with their copyrights and I would > > imagine they have their own software available to leaders for a > > price. > > As it happens, the BSA doesn't produce software like that. They have > a data interchange specification that software developers can use to > interact with the systems at the council offices, but from there, it's > up to third party developers to produce unit management programs. > There are a number of good ones available, albeit most if not all of > them are Windows-only, which isn't the best way to make Mac and Linux > users (am I the only one?) happy. You are not the only one! Do you know where someone could get ahold of those data interchange specifications? I've seen software that claims to be Scoutnet Certified, or something like that, but google hasn't yet shown me what that means how one would go about becoming such. Bryan ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
scouting software (Re: Re: [Ldsoss] Stake/Ward Web Site Utilities)
On 2/7/06, Gary Thornock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- TJ Hunter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The church might also get into legal trouble with creating the > > software. The BSA is pretty strict with their copyrights and I > > would imagine they have their own software available to leaders > > for a price. > > As it happens, the BSA doesn't produce software like that. They > have a data interchange specification that software developers > can use to interact with the systems at the council offices, but > from there, it's up to third party developers to produce unit > management programs. There are a number of good ones available, > albeit most if not all of them are Windows-only, which isn't the > best way to make Mac and Linux users (am I the only one?) happy. You are not the only one! Do you know where someone could get ahold of those data interchange specifications? I've seen software that claims to be Scoutnet Certified, or something like that, but google hasn't yet shown me what that means how one would go about becoming such. Bryan ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Stake/Ward Web Site Utilities
>> Regarding the ward directory, Im hopeful this calendar export will >> prove useful enough to convince those who own the decision to allow the >> same for the ward list. > > Hopeful as well... Then I can get rid of another screen scraper and the > support that goes along with it. I assume the concern is the "evil > mormon, multiple-level marketeer" that uses this data to push his latest > skin products and vitamins. Of course, the data would be limited to > members of his own ward (who know where to find him) and members have > the option keeping their data private. This is promising. Our ward has found that it is only the ward leaders who are interested in a ward directory in their desktop address book and portable device. The default lds.org membership directory has sufficed for everyone else. Because it is only ward leaders, we've justified providing them with additional information in the vCards "notes" section such as callings, birthday, home teachers, and membership numbers (for filling out recommends). We generate this from the MLS .csv ecports, but some MLS/lds.org built-in functionality would be swell. -Greg ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Stake/Ward Web Site Utilities
Pete Whiting wrote: > I am aware that the ical file doesn’t cleanly import into outlook – a > quick search of the error message on the web leads me to believe others > are having similar problems – if you can modify the file such that > outlook will accept it and then provide me that file I might be able to > get the ical export to match it. Parenthetically, upon reviewing rfc > 2445 it appears that commas, semi colons, and slashes need to be escaped > in the description text. This fixes the koffice import problem but > doesn’t seem to help the outlook import. I still need to verify it > doesn’t break the mac ical import. Just post test files to the list... I am sure we would all be willing to try them with our favorite calendaring application and maybe even read the RFC to help figure out what is wrong. > Regarding the ward directory, I’m hopeful this calendar export will > prove useful enough to convince those who own the decision to allow the > same for the ward list. Hopeful as well... Then I can get rid of another screen scraper and the support that goes along with it. I assume the concern is the "evil mormon, multiple-level marketeer" that uses this data to push his latest skin products and vitamins. Of course, the data would be limited to members of his own ward (who know where to find him) and members have the option keeping their data private. -stacey. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Stake/Ward Web Site Utilities
Thanks for the feedback. I am aware that the ical file doesn’t cleanly import into outlook – a quick search of the error message on the web leads me to believe others are having similar problems – if you can modify the file such that outlook will accept it and then provide me that file I might be able to get the ical export to match it. Parenthetically, upon reviewing rfc 2445 it appears that commas, semi colons, and slashes need to be escaped in the description text. This fixes the koffice import problem but doesn’t seem to help the outlook import. I still need to verify it doesn’t break the mac ical import. Regarding the vcal format, I need to review the spec to make sure I understand how to deal with events that do not have an associated time (only a date). If you can post a sample of what the vcal vevent should look like it may save some work. Also, it would be nice to understand how to properly handle an event that has a start date but not a stop date. In ical I’m using a stop time of midnight and in vcal I’m not including the DTEND at all. Finally, if someone wants to verify that timezones in vcal work the same as in ical I can then add them to the vcal export for church-wide events. Regarding the ward directory, I’m hopeful this calendar export will prove useful enough to convince those who own the decision to allow the same for the ward list. pete From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 11:53 AM To: "LDS Open Source Software" Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Stake/Ward Web Site Utilities Peter, I tried using this feature yesterday to do an import into Outlook 2003. I got an error with the iCal format saying it was an invalid file so I used the vCal format instead. The import seemed to work but many of the events actually showed up a day early in Outlook (than the day the appear on the online calendar) -- it doesn't happen with every event, just some of them -- it may just be with events that don't have a time associated with them (at least the time doesn't show up on the month view). Are you aware of this bug? Has the church also considered making a ward directory download available as well? Making it easy to import the ward list into electronic devices would also be a big win. -aaron On 2/7/06, Peter Whiting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mon, Feb 06, 2006 at 02:36:25PM -0600, Stacey wrote: > Given that an almost working calendar export feature is > available from the ldschurch guys I am planning to replace my > script with an instruction page on how to export calendars > directly. We pushed a change to production that should make the calendars usable in ical (needed a carriage return on the last line of the file.) I've been told there are some issues with import into koffice (apparently with commas in the body of the text) but I don't think it makes sense for us to start mangling the content of the description to accommodate the idiosyncrasies of different calendar applications - rather we'll leave those for filters executed by the end-user. Please provide feedback, especially if you see areas where the ical and/or vcal outputs don't adhere to their specs. pete ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss -- NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. -- ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: Re: [Ldsoss] Stake/Ward Web Site Utilities
--- TJ Hunter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The church might also get into legal trouble with creating the > software. The BSA is pretty strict with their copyrights and I > would imagine they have their own software available to leaders > for a price. As it happens, the BSA doesn't produce software like that. They have a data interchange specification that software developers can use to interact with the systems at the council offices, but from there, it's up to third party developers to produce unit management programs. There are a number of good ones available, albeit most if not all of them are Windows-only, which isn't the best way to make Mac and Linux users (am I the only one?) happy. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Stake/Ward Web Site Utilities
Peter, I tried using this feature yesterday to do an import into Outlook 2003. I got an error with the iCal format saying it was an invalid file so I used the vCal format instead. The import seemed to work but many of the events actually showed up a day early in Outlook (than the day the appear on the online calendar) -- it doesn't happen with every event, just some of them -- it may just be with events that don't have a time associated with them (at least the time doesn't show up on the month view). Are you aware of this bug? Has the church also considered making a ward directory download available as well? Making it easy to import the ward list into electronic devices would also be a big win. -aaron On 2/7/06, Peter Whiting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mon, Feb 06, 2006 at 02:36:25PM -0600, Stacey wrote:> Given that an almost working calendar export feature is > available from the ldschurch guys I am planning to replace my> script with an instruction page on how to export calendars> directly.We pushed a change to production that should make the calendars usable in ical (needed a carriage return on the last line of thefile.) I've been told there are some issues with import intokoffice (apparently with commas in the body of the text) but Idon't think it makes sense for us to start mangling the content of the description to accommodate the idiosyncrasies of differentcalendar applications - rather we'll leave those for filtersexecuted by the end-user.Please provide feedback, especially if you see areas where the ical and/or vcal outputs don't adhere to their specs.pete___Ldsoss mailing listLdsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: Re: [Ldsoss] Stake/Ward Web Site Utilities
On Tue, 7 Feb 2006, TJ Hunter wrote: The church might also get into legal trouble with creating the software. The BSA is pretty strict with their copyrights and I would imagine they have their own software available to leaders for a price. I don't think this would be too much of an issue. There are a large number of software programs out there already that allow you to track scouting progress. -- Dan ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: Re: [Ldsoss] Stake/Ward Web Site Utilities
On 2/7/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would love you forever if you could incorporate this information into the > website. I would love to see scouting incorporated as well - but Duty to God > would be my first priority as a YMs President and that would be a HUGE help. I can see the church moving VERY slowly on integrating scouting. Remember a few years ago when the church was threatening to discontinue their support for the Boy Scout program because the BSA was considering allowing homosexuals to be Boy Scout leaders? Worse case scenario, I can imagine the church doing all that work for the scouting program, then the BSA does something like that again, and the church ends creating their own organization to replace it. Boy Scouts != LDS Church. The church might also get into legal trouble with creating the software. The BSA is pretty strict with their copyrights and I would imagine they have their own software available to leaders for a price. -TJ ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
re: Re: [Ldsoss] Stake/Ward Web Site Utilities
I would love you forever if you could incorporate this information into the website. I would love to see scouting incorporated as well - but Duty to God would be my first priority as a YMs President and that would be a HUGE help. GR Dan Hanks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sorry for top-posting here, but my comment is a general response to the interaction I'm seeing here. I'm encouraged to see this openness between the development efforts of the church and the LDS tech community here. My feeling is that the perception earlier of many was that trying to get any feedback or suggestions into church software development was a big black box. It seems that is changing, which is very refreshing. I've thought to myself that the church unlike other business entities doesn't really have any trade secrets it needs to be hiding so I would hope that development processes could be a bit more transparent, and open to the community. It seems like that is happening. Woohoo! As a suggestion to those developing the stake and ward websites, I would love to see a system integrated into those websites that would allow for the tracking of YM Duty to God and YW Personal Progress tracking. Such a system would allow YM and YW and their parents to login and update which requirements they have completed. It would allow stake and ward youth leaders to login and see progress being made. When the Deacons quorum advisor would login he would be able to see the young men under his stewardship and their progress. Bishoprics would be able to see all the information for thier wards, and likewise stake presidencies for their stakes. On a larger scale, such a system could potentially provide the General Authorities with a lot of useful information on how these programs are funtioning church-wide. -- Dan On Tue, 7 Feb 2006, Peter Whiting wrote: > On Mon, Feb 06, 2006 at 02:36:25PM -0600, Stacey wrote: > >> Given that an almost working calendar export feature is >> available from the ldschurch guys I am planning to replace my >> script with an instruction page on how to export calendars >> directly. > > We pushed a change to production that should make the calendars > usable in ical (needed a carriage return on the last line of the > file.) I've been told there are some issues with import into > koffice (apparently with commas in the body of the text) but I > don't think it makes sense for us to start mangling the content > of the description to accommodate the idiosyncrasies of different > calendar applications - rather we'll leave those for filters > executed by the end-user. > > Please provide feedback, especially if you see areas where > the ical and/or vcal outputs don't adhere to their specs. > > pete > ___ > Ldsoss mailing list > Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org > http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss > ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss -- ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Checkers 1.0 rc2
On 2/7/06, Bryan Murdock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2/6/06, Nathan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Release candidate 2 of checkers has been released. Changes were made > > specifically to add compatibility for Pygame 1.6 (on linux). > > > > http://stocksfam.com/checkers > > It works! I like the sounds and music too. That's very cool. Yay! I created all of those sounds with GarageBand, except for the 'moving' sound, which my wife made with audacity and our cheapo Dell microphone and a real checker sliding on paper. We've got a better mic now, so I ought to redo that sound. The one sound that really bugs me is the 'jump' sound. I wanted a 'boing', but I couldn't find a way to make a good one. Everything else was done, so I ended up with the current "EEoo." (You lose some audio fidelity in the wav->ascii translation for emails). > One little complaint, the new tarball dumps all the files into the > current directory. Yes, that's my bad. I created a script to automagically do the packaging for me (script/buildlinux.sh), and I didn't quite get it right. It'll be fixed in RC3 (tonight?). I need to find a way to tar up the whole dir, including the dir, no matter what the containing dir is named. On a somewhat related note, I spent a couple hours last night learning about the detailed concepts of tagging, branching, and merging, especially as related to subversion. Very enlightening. Much of that time was spent reorganizing my source tree, not that it'll make a huge difference to anyone else until I find a public place to put the svn repository. ~ Nathan ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
[Ldsoss] More info on the Church's new Family Tree system
I was sent another blog post by an individual who is a beta tester in the first beta of the Church's new Family Tree system. You can read it here: http://rzamor1.livejournal.com/17244.html Some interesting points from this entry: "Give it time but GEDCOM I predict will be gone. So will all the problems that now go with it such as sharing information correctly between different software programs. You see Family Tree will work even if you are using a Mac or a PC. The church is developing a web services interface to this and are going to be open sourcing this project. They will be soliciting the world to write their own interfaces to this thing. There will be other websites using this information. You see different cultures use different ways to show their family trees and they couldn't hope to write them all. Instead they are writing a way for everyone to interact with this system so they can write it. Maybe someone will write a lite PDA version without pictures to get text to your PDA. The heavens are open and the sky is the limit. The happy day will be when you have to stop teaching people how to make a GEDCOM." Web services interface and open source. Wahoo!!! I hope that's correct information. As I responded to this individual, I think we have only seen the tip of the iceberg of possibilities in genealogical research. Another quote: "The final version is 2.0 to the general public. The focus will be "Finding my Ancestors through Records". This release will connect everything together. Right now they have people working on various portions of this. You have the Family Tree project. Then there is a group working on a research model that will assist in doing research. Another group is digitizing the records of the earth (Internet Indexing) and getting them all in one place, so they can be accessed from anywhere. All these efforts are going on simultaneously. In the 2.0 time frame they come together. I want to be around to see that. Unfortunately I don't have any time frame when these releases will happen - neither do they!" I get shivers when I think of what will be possible when we combine a collaborative tool like the Family Tree system, digitized versions of 2 million + (and growing) microfilms and open interfaces to it all. I'm reminded of Isaiah 9:2, "The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined." As these microfilms are digitized and made available, it's as if the data about those who were once in darkness (of dusty library shelves and cabinets) are now being brought into a great light of easier availability. It's an exciting time to be part of this Work! -- Dan ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Stake/Ward Web Site Utilities
Pete Whiting wrote: > I’m not aware of a validator * if someone is please point me at it. Pete, I don't know of one either but I was thinking of testing your iCal output with the iCal perl module but haven't found the time yet. FYI, it works great now with Apple iCal. Maybe others could report on other calendaring apps that support ical import. Regards, -stacey. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Stake/Ward Web Site Utilities
Sorry for top-posting here, but my comment is a general response to the interaction I'm seeing here. I'm encouraged to see this openness between the development efforts of the church and the LDS tech community here. My feeling is that the perception earlier of many was that trying to get any feedback or suggestions into church software development was a big black box. It seems that is changing, which is very refreshing. I've thought to myself that the church unlike other business entities doesn't really have any trade secrets it needs to be hiding so I would hope that development processes could be a bit more transparent, and open to the community. It seems like that is happening. Woohoo! As a suggestion to those developing the stake and ward websites, I would love to see a system integrated into those websites that would allow for the tracking of YM Duty to God and YW Personal Progress tracking. Such a system would allow YM and YW and their parents to login and update which requirements they have completed. It would allow stake and ward youth leaders to login and see progress being made. When the Deacons quorum advisor would login he would be able to see the young men under his stewardship and their progress. Bishoprics would be able to see all the information for thier wards, and likewise stake presidencies for their stakes. On a larger scale, such a system could potentially provide the General Authorities with a lot of useful information on how these programs are funtioning church-wide. -- Dan On Tue, 7 Feb 2006, Peter Whiting wrote: On Mon, Feb 06, 2006 at 02:36:25PM -0600, Stacey wrote: Given that an almost working calendar export feature is available from the ldschurch guys I am planning to replace my script with an instruction page on how to export calendars directly. We pushed a change to production that should make the calendars usable in ical (needed a carriage return on the last line of the file.) I've been told there are some issues with import into koffice (apparently with commas in the body of the text) but I don't think it makes sense for us to start mangling the content of the description to accommodate the idiosyncrasies of different calendar applications - rather we'll leave those for filters executed by the end-user. Please provide feedback, especially if you see areas where the ical and/or vcal outputs don't adhere to their specs. pete ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Stake/Ward Web Site Utilities
I’m not aware of a validator * if someone is please point me at it. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 9:06 AM To: "LDS Open Source Software" Subject: RE: [Ldsoss] Stake/Ward Web Site Utilities That's awesome Pete! I will definitely start using that as a regular tool on the Ward websites. Interfaces/APIs are always good. Just curious, is there a validator anywhere you can use to test the ical files just to ensure they are meeting standards? I would think as long as they meet established standards, it should be up to the individual clients to follow those standards. (we're running into similar problems at work with Zimbra following standards, but not all clients supporting those standards) Jesse -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Whiting Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 6:33 AM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Stake/Ward Web Site Utilities On Mon, Feb 06, 2006 at 02:36:25PM -0600, Stacey wrote: > Given that an almost working calendar export feature is available from > the ldschurch guys I am planning to replace my script with an > instruction page on how to export calendars directly. We pushed a change to production that should make the calendars usable in ical (needed a carriage return on the last line of the file.) I've been told there are some issues with import into koffice (apparently with commas in the body of the text) but I don't think it makes sense for us to start mangling the content of the description to accommodate the idiosyncrasies of different calendar applications - rather we'll leave those for filters executed by the end-user. Please provide feedback, especially if you see areas where the ical and/or vcal outputs don't adhere to their specs. pete ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss -- NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. -- ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Checkers 1.0 rc2
On 2/6/06, Nathan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Release candidate 2 of checkers has been released. Changes were made > specifically to add compatibility for Pygame 1.6 (on linux). > > http://stocksfam.com/checkers It works! I like the sounds and music too. That's very cool. One little complaint, the new tarball dumps all the files into the current directory. Bryan ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Stake/Ward Web Site Utilities
That's awesome Pete! I will definitely start using that as a regular tool on the Ward websites. Interfaces/APIs are always good. Just curious, is there a validator anywhere you can use to test the ical files just to ensure they are meeting standards? I would think as long as they meet established standards, it should be up to the individual clients to follow those standards. (we're running into similar problems at work with Zimbra following standards, but not all clients supporting those standards) Jesse -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Whiting Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 6:33 AM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Stake/Ward Web Site Utilities On Mon, Feb 06, 2006 at 02:36:25PM -0600, Stacey wrote: > Given that an almost working calendar export feature is available from > the ldschurch guys I am planning to replace my script with an > instruction page on how to export calendars directly. We pushed a change to production that should make the calendars usable in ical (needed a carriage return on the last line of the file.) I've been told there are some issues with import into koffice (apparently with commas in the body of the text) but I don't think it makes sense for us to start mangling the content of the description to accommodate the idiosyncrasies of different calendar applications - rather we'll leave those for filters executed by the end-user. Please provide feedback, especially if you see areas where the ical and/or vcal outputs don't adhere to their specs. pete ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Stake/Ward Web Site Utilities
On Mon, Feb 06, 2006 at 02:36:25PM -0600, Stacey wrote: > Given that an almost working calendar export feature is > available from the ldschurch guys I am planning to replace my > script with an instruction page on how to export calendars > directly. We pushed a change to production that should make the calendars usable in ical (needed a carriage return on the last line of the file.) I've been told there are some issues with import into koffice (apparently with commas in the body of the text) but I don't think it makes sense for us to start mangling the content of the description to accommodate the idiosyncrasies of different calendar applications - rather we'll leave those for filters executed by the end-user. Please provide feedback, especially if you see areas where the ical and/or vcal outputs don't adhere to their specs. pete ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
