Re: [leaf-devel] Re: floppy vs flash drive
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 17:43, Paul G Rogers wrote: > >usb-hdd boot has been around for approximately three years now. The > >price of flash drives isn't an issue anymore. Thus, I sincerely think > >it's time for us to consider moving from 3.5 floppies to usb-hdd flash > >drives. > > I'd really hate to see that. Firewall service is a great use for > obsolete hardware, and the box currently serving me can't even boot off a > 1680K floppy! But it's one of those small pizza-boxes, and the size is a > great benefit. Paul, Leaf isn't a monolithic project. Suggesting something doesn't mean discontinuing something else. The bering-uclibc team seems adamant about continuing floppy support at this time. That doesn't mean another leaf branch has to feel the same way about this issue. For example, Wisp-Dist never supported a floppy install. Please see our project derivation chart, and project development model for examples/explanations of these concepts. http://leaf-project.org/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=2 http://www.mail-archive.com/leaf-devel%40lists.sourceforge.net/msg04541.html Note: Eric and Martin posted today in favor of continuing our current development model. -- Mike Noyes http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 16:21, KP Kirchdoerfer wrote: > I'd like to ask, what's your experience using a 2.6 kernel compared to a 2.4 > kernel for a router? KP, I think Tom Eastep might have a list of a few benefits of kernel 2.6 over 2.4 for firewalls. Ray and Charles may have some insights on the embedded side. http://www.shorewall.net/IPSEC-2.6.html http://www.shorewall.net/LinuxFest.pdf Others with kernel 2.6 routing and embedded experience please jump in. Thanks. -- Mike Noyes http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
[leaf-devel] Re: floppy vs flash drive
>usb-hdd boot has been around for approximately three years now. The >price of flash drives isn't an issue anymore. Thus, I sincerely think >it's time for us to consider moving from 3.5 floppies to usb-hdd flash >drives. I'd really hate to see that. Firewall service is a great use for obsolete hardware, and the box currently serving me can't even boot off a 1680K floppy! But it's one of those small pizza-boxes, and the size is a great benefit. Paul Rogers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.xprt.net/~pgrogers/ http://www.geocities.com/paulgrogers/ Rogers' Second Law: "Everything you do communicates." (I do not personally endorse any additions after this line. TANSTAAFL :-) --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
Am Mittwoch, 15. März 2006 16:29 schrieb Venki Iyer: > In any case, I did roll a 2.6-based version of Bering late last year > (started out as a project effort, turned into a labor of love - thanks > guys!), could probably push it back into one of the project trees if > there is any interest. I'm not sure I'll be able to devote much time > to it moving forward, though. Comments/thoughts - Mike, others? Venki; sounds interesting. I'd like to ask, what's your experience using a 2.6 kernel compared to a 2.4 kernel for a router? I've read that some network cards are slower with 2.6 - maybe that's solved today. What's the benefit, what does a 2.6 kernel provide you miss on a 2.4 kernel? just curious kp --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid0944&bid$1720&dat1642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
Eric, Absolutely yes! Still haven't received your own email on this topic, though I'm seeing others from you - I'll pop you email offlist ... -Venki On 03/15/2006 02:37 PM, Mike Noyes wrote: On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 12:20, Eric Spakman wrote: Instead of creating a new branch, we can also join effort? Eric, Yes. That is always an option. :-) On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 07:29, Venki Iyer wrote: In any case, I did roll a 2.6-based version of Bering late last year (started out as a project effort, turned into a labor of love - thanks guys!), could probably push it back into one of the project trees if there is any interest. I'm not sure I'll be able to devote much time to it moving forward, though. Comments/thoughts - Mike, others? Venki, Excellent! Do you have a SF user account? Also, do you have a clean source tree we can import into cvs? --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 12:50, Nathan Angelacos wrote: > On Wednesday 15 March 2006 15:03, Eric Spakman wrote: > > Who is going to put the available lwp packages in leaf/bin/config/webconf? > > Just a question. > > I can take care of the ones that are in my devel area. (That would be all of > them, AFAIK) Eric & Nathan, I just gave write access in our new bin directory to the webconf team. Please let me know if you require further changes. Thanks. avail|arneb, dorus, espakman, hejl, hun, lfcorreia, nangel|bin/config/webconf -- Mike Noyes http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
[leaf-devel] SF Site Status (2006-03-15)
Everyone, SF staff response time may lag temporarily. http://sourceforge.net/docs/A04/ ( 2006-03-15 13:41:53 - SourceForge.net Web Site ) Due to support staffing, support response may be degraded from 2006-03-17 through 2006-04-02. The Service Operations team has an open position for a Level 2 Support Technician, as seen on the Careers page at VA Software. -- Mike Noyes http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 12:49, Venki Iyer wrote: > Yes to the first, the second needs some work ... :-) Venki, I apologize. You're already a leaf project member. I really should check our developer list. Just another example of a mistake I wouldn't have made before my accident. :-( http://sourceforge.net/project/memberlist.php?group_id=13751 http://sourceforge.net/users/venkisiyer/ -- Mike Noyes http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 12:49, Venki Iyer wrote: > Yes to the first, the second needs some work ... :-) Venki, Please send me your SF user name, and I'll make you a leaf project member. Note to self: Review all messages marked important for new project member additions. -- Mike Noyes http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
Hi Nathan, >> If the directory is populated we have to change our image script to >> download the webconf packages from this location (this is a reminder for >> myself ;). > > You already do, so no changes needed. > We use a script to download the lwp files from your CVS space for creation of CD and floppy images, that one has to be changed ;-) > > (A tarball of src/config/webconf is maintained in > src/bering-uclibc/apps/webconf. It was done to help out buildtool.) > > The process to build the tarball is documented in cvs: > src/bering-uclibc/apps/webconf/webconf.txt > Eric --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
Hi Eric & Mike, On Wednesday 15 March 2006 15:03, Eric Spakman wrote: > Hello Mike, > > Thanks! > > Who is going to put the available lwp packages in leaf/bin/config/webconf? > Just a question. I can take care of the ones that are in my devel area. (That would be all of them, AFAIK) > If the directory is populated we have to change our image script to > download the webconf packages from this location (this is a reminder for > myself ;). You already do, so no changes needed. (A tarball of src/config/webconf is maintained in src/bering-uclibc/apps/webconf. It was done to help out buildtool.) The process to build the tarball is documented in cvs: src/bering-uclibc/apps/webconf/webconf.txt --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
Hi Mike, Yes to the first, the second needs some work ... :-) -V On 03/15/2006 02:11 PM, Mike Noyes wrote: On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 07:29, Venki Iyer wrote: In any case, I did roll a 2.6-based version of Bering late last year (started out as a project effort, turned into a labor of love - thanks guys!), could probably push it back into one of the project trees if there is any interest. I'm not sure I'll be able to devote much time to it moving forward, though. Comments/thoughts - Mike, others? Venki, Excellent! Do you have a SF user account? Also, do you have a clean source tree we can import into cvs? --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 12:29, Eric Spakman wrote: > Looks promising! Thanks for searching. Eric, You're most welcome. I'm glad I was able to locate something that might prove useful. :-) > >>> This would be the same sort of setup we would use: > >>> fdisk the pendrive, make it bootable, copy the contents, syslinux it > >>> and edit some files. This is no image setup and that's where I'm > >>> looking after. > >> > >> Ok. I'll see if I can locate something. > >> > > > > Does document help? Ugg. s/Does document/Does this document/ > > Makebootfat Bootable FAT Disk Creation > > 7 Multi Standard USB Booting > > http://advancemame.sourceforge.net/doc-makebootfat.html -- Mike Noyes http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 12:20, Eric Spakman wrote: > Instead of creating a new branch, we can also join effort? Eric, Yes. That is always an option. :-) > > On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 07:29, Venki Iyer wrote: > >> In any case, I did roll a 2.6-based version of Bering late last year > >> (started out as a project effort, turned into a labor of love - thanks > >> guys!), could probably push it back into one of the project trees if > >> there is any interest. I'm not sure I'll be able to devote much time to > >> it moving forward, though. Comments/thoughts - Mike, others? > > > > Venki, > > Excellent! Do you have a SF user account? Also, do you have a clean > > source tree we can import into cvs? -- Mike Noyes http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
Hello Mike, Looks promising! Thanks for searching. Eric >>> This would be the same sort of setup we would use: >>> fdisk the pendrive, make it bootable, copy the contents, syslinux it >>> and edit some files. This is no image setup and that's where I'm >>> looking after. >> >> Ok. I'll see if I can locate something. >> > > Eric, > Does document help? > > > Makebootfat Bootable FAT Disk Creation > 7 Multi Standard USB Booting > http://advancemame.sourceforge.net/doc-makebootfat.html > > > -- > Mike Noyes > http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ > SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs > > > > > --- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting > language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the > live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new > coding territory! > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 > > > ___ > leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel > > --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 10:59, Mike Noyes wrote: > On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 10:09, Eric Spakman wrote: > > > http://wiki.debian.org/BootUsb > > > > > This would be the same sort of setup we would use: > > fdisk the pendrive, make it bootable, copy the contents, syslinux it and > > edit some files. This is no image setup and that's where I'm looking > > after. > > Ok. I'll see if I can locate something. Eric, Does document help? Makebootfat Bootable FAT Disk Creation 7 Multi Standard USB Booting http://advancemame.sourceforge.net/doc-makebootfat.html -- Mike Noyes http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 12:03, Eric Spakman wrote: > Who is going to put the available lwp packages in leaf/bin/config/webconf? > Just a question. Eric, It depends on who we want to grant write access to in avail. Existing binary lwp packages, already stored elsewhere in our repository, will require SF staff intervention (via SR) to move. -- Mike Noyes http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 07:29, Venki Iyer wrote: > In any case, I did roll a 2.6-based version of Bering late last year > (started out as a project effort, turned into a labor of love - thanks > guys!), could probably push it back into one of the project trees if > there is any interest. I'm not sure I'll be able to devote much time > to it moving forward, though. Comments/thoughts - Mike, others? Venki, Excellent! Do you have a SF user account? Also, do you have a clean source tree we can import into cvs? -- Mike Noyes http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
Hello Mike, Thanks! Who is going to put the available lwp packages in leaf/bin/config/webconf? Just a question. If the directory is populated we have to change our image script to download the webconf packages from this location (this is a reminder for myself ;). Eric > On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 11:13, Mike Noyes wrote: > >> On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 10:54, Nathan Angelacos wrote: >> >>> That way a developer could also upload a binary lwp (or lrp, yes, >>> there are webconf lrps) >> >> Ah. I missed the bin/ in Eric's post. Not something that I'd have >> missed before. :-( >> >> How about, >> >> >> leaf/bin/config/webconf > > Everyone, > I just created this directory. CVS avail configuration is pending > developer suggestions/comments. > > >> -and- >> >> >> leaf/src/config/webconf/lwp > > Avail states that any of the following people plus our project admins > can add a directory to src/config/webconfig: > > avail|arneb, dorus, espakman, hejl, hun, lfcorreia, > nangel|src/config/webconf > > -- > Mike Noyes > http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ > SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs > > > > > --- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting > language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the > live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new > coding territory! > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 > > > ___ > leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel > > --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 11:13, Mike Noyes wrote: > On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 10:54, Nathan Angelacos wrote: > > That way a developer could also upload a binary lwp (or lrp, yes, there are > > webconf lrps) > > Ah. I missed the bin/ in Eric's post. Not something that I'd have missed > before. :-( > > How about, > > leaf/bin/config/webconf Everyone, I just created this directory. CVS avail configuration is pending developer suggestions/comments. > -and- > > leaf/src/config/webconf/lwp Avail states that any of the following people plus our project admins can add a directory to src/config/webconfig: avail|arneb, dorus, espakman, hejl, hun, lfcorreia, nangel|src/config/webconf -- Mike Noyes http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 10:54, Nathan Angelacos wrote: > On Wednesday 15 March 2006 13:40, Mike Noyes wrote: > I'm ok with it; although it should probably be combined with Eric's > suggestion of leaf/bin/config/webconf > > That way a developer could also upload a binary lwp (or lrp, yes, there are > webconf lrps) Nathan, Ah. I missed the bin/ in Eric's post. Not something that I'd have missed before. :-( How about, leaf/bin/config/webconf -and- leaf/src/config/webconf/lwp -- Mike Noyes http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 10:09, Eric Spakman wrote: > > http://wiki.debian.org/BootUsb > > > This would be the same sort of setup we would use: > fdisk the pendrive, make it bootable, copy the contents, syslinux it and > edit some files. This is no image setup and that's where I'm looking > after. Eric, Ok. I'll see if I can locate something. -- Mike Noyes http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
On Wednesday 15 March 2006 13:40, Mike Noyes wrote: > On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 10:09, Nathan Angelacos wrote: > > What's NOT in leaf/src/config/webconf is all of the .lwp's (anything > > beyond webconf.lrp / webconf.lwp)Perhaps there's a place for them in > > the same spot. > > Nathan, > How about a new directory in src/config called lwp? We can open that > directories write access to all of our project developers, or restrict > it as desired. I'm ok with it; although it should probably be combined with Eric's suggestion of leaf/bin/config/webconf That way a developer could also upload a binary lwp (or lrp, yes, there are webconf lrps) If anyone has suggestions for what you are looking for in "webconf developers," I'll be happy to collect the ideas and draft a request for assistance announcement. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 10:34, Eric Spakman wrote: > > What's NOT in leaf/src/config/webconf is all of the .lwp's (anything > > beyond webconf.lrp / webconf.lwp)Perhaps there's a place for them in > > the same spot. > > > leaf/bin/config/webconf? > Mike, do you agree? Eric, Either location is acceptable. I think it might be easier to keep the lwp's out of the core webconf tree. leaf/bin/config/webconf/lwp -or- leaf/bin/config/lwp It's just a slight difference in the modification to CVSROOT/avail. -- Mike Noyes http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] Development Model
Hi Mike, Mike Noyes wrote: > Everyone, > I think my evolution idea has died. My last few attempts to bring new > leaf branches in, or create new ones within our project have failed. The > bering-uclibc team seems to have gained enough support that other > derivations fail to succeed within leaf. We haven't had a new branch in > years. So... > > I propose we move to a monolithic development model, and give > bering-uclibc the leaf name. They won as best of breed. I disagree - the only reason why Bering uClibc seems to be the most popular right now is because there are a few very dedicated people maintaining it (and I'm not including myself - I've had way less time for leaf in the past year or so than I'd like to). But that doesn't mean that there won't be a new branch soon (wether it's a fork off an existing branch or something completely new). Just like when Bering branched off Dachstein and introduced the 2.4 kernel, it's not unlikely that somebody else will do the same with Bering uClibc (or any of the other branches) to support 2.6 kernel. The only problem that the evolutionary development model has is that it requires a relatively large developer base (it's pretty much impossible for a couple of people to develop/maintain/support several different branches) and it seems we've not been able to attract enough developers to support more than two branches at any given time. But that doesn't mean that it cannot or will not happen. Just my point of view Martin --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 10:09, Nathan Angelacos wrote: > What's NOT in leaf/src/config/webconf is all of the .lwp's (anything beyond > webconf.lrp / webconf.lwp)Perhaps there's a place for them in the same > spot. Nathan, How about a new directory in src/config called lwp? We can open that directories write access to all of our project developers, or restrict it as desired. -- Mike Noyes http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
Hello Nathan, >>> Also it would be >>> nice if the contents of Nathan's CVS space could be moved to a more >>> generic place (I think we need Kp for this). >> >> This requires opening a SR with the SF staff. Any one of our project >> admins can do this. > > Clarfication - > > > webconf (the core) is already in leaf/src/config/webconf > > Mike already did that for us some time ago. (Thanks mike!!!) > Great! > > The docs weren't moved to the generic config part of the cvs tree because > I > had hoped the bering-uClibc would adopt them. They did recently, so I > guess the only thing left is for someone to the web pages I referred to > earlier to the buc guides instead of my devel tree. > > Then I'll be happy to kill my devel tree. If nobody does it, I'll also be > happy to keep my devel tree. Doesn't matter either way. :-) > > What's NOT in leaf/src/config/webconf is all of the .lwp's (anything > beyond webconf.lrp / webconf.lwp)Perhaps there's a place for them in > the same spot. > leaf/bin/config/webconf? Mike, do you agree? Eric --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 09:58, Nathan Angelacos wrote: > I fully recognize that nobody else is stepping up as "Documentation/Website > Admin", and we all appreciate the job you are doing. Nathan, Unfortunately, I'm not doing a very good job. :-( > On Wednesday 15 March 2006 11:02, Mike Noyes wrote: > > > To work on a project, then have it stored under someone else's name, > > > buried in a cvs archive with no link to the homepage doesn't have the > > > same reward as working on OpenWRT, posting your ipkg and letting the > > > world see it. > > > > This seems directed at our cvs structure, website, and indirectly at me. > > I'll say this again,"Our branch sites are under the control of their > > lead developer." The only two that are under my direct supervision are > > our hub and devel branch. > > Sorry if you read it that way, I wasn't trying to direct anything, just > expressing the view as a lowly developer. I am not a member of the > bering-uClibc team, the Bering team, or any other branch. I'm just a > developer. I'm just one of our project admins, and not a developer. I was always marginal, I'm less than that now. > Webconf is a web ui that works in the bering branch and the bering-uclibc > branch, and with very little work would work in the oxygen branch. A lwp is > just shell script that would work on a OpenWRT linksys router - not even > LEAF. (really!) Since its just a component, it doesn't belong in any > specific branch. So where does it go? We created a section in our cvs source tree for config. I thought that was the main area, and website allocation was up to branch leads. Of course you have your section in our website devel branch (broken because of my application/xhtml+xml serving). http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/leaf/src/config/ Are you willing to writeup a 'webconf request for assistance' announcement that I can post on our hub? > Where it goes doesn't matter as much as where the end user has to look to > find > it. Right now the end-user has to play "hunt-the-lwp" through each > developer's tree. Understood, and I agree that's not good. :-( > I've got no issues with the CVS structure or you, but it would be nice to get > some of the presentation hurdles out of the way to make it easier for the > average "non-affiliated" developer to publicly contribute to the project. Would a move to SVN help? > Please understand that I'm using webconf as an example, I'm *NOT* hoping to > get webconf promoted to branch level or anything... The above statements > could apply equally to a "lrp -> ipkg converter", or "better lrp package > system", or some other really cool idea some developer has. Understood. This was what we had, sort of, prior to SF limiting project shell space usage. :-( > > I hope installing mediawiki will alleviate most of these issues. It'll > > give everyone a place for content. Greg Morgan is familiar with what > > mediawiki can do, and can answer questions better than I can. > > Mediawiki would be a "good thing" IMHO. > > Imagine: when some weirdo comes along with his "web configuration ui that > doesn't quite fit anywhere in the structure of things", park him somewhere in > the wiki, let him document (or not) to his heart's content, and let Google > figure out if its worth advertising to the world. This would also allow > others to easily contribute to the web site content, and you can let the > bering-uClibc folks figure out how they want to get their xml sources > imported into mediawiki. Sounds like a win-win-win. Agreed. Mediawiki should help overcome SF imposed limitations, and my phpWebSite mistakes. -- Mike Noyes http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] Development Model
Hello Mike. > Everyone, > I think my evolution idea has died. My last few attempts to bring new > leaf branches in, or create new ones within our project have failed. The > bering-uclibc team seems to have gained enough support that other > derivations fail to succeed within leaf. We haven't had a new branch in > years. So... > > I propose we move to a monolithic development model, and give > bering-uclibc the leaf name. They won as best of breed. > I don't agree with you, there is still room for evolution. In my opinion evolution doesn't only mean bring new leaf branches in and let others die (when people abandon a specific LEAF distro and move on to a "better" one which seems to be happened in the past). This is a very natural process I think, a LEAF branch developer gets frustrated when the momentum is switching from one branch to the other and users abandon its branch. This is more revolution than evolution :-) A new project doesn't have to mean someone creating all the packages and functionality again, it doesn't have to be all about the "core". There is room enough for projects creating webconf interfaces (like Nathan explained this doesn't have to be for Bering-uClibc exclusively) or creating images for specific functionality (using the big repository of available packages). It's just what you define as "evolution". We are not the dominant branch because we gained enough support, we are the most active and didn't abandon our project, that's the only thing. Eric > -- > Mike Noyes > http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ > SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs > > > > > --- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting > language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the > live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new > coding territory! > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 > > > ___ > leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel > > --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
On Wednesday 15 March 2006 12:48, Mike Noyes wrote: > > Also it would be > > nice if the contents of Nathan's CVS space could be moved to a more > > generic place (I think we need Kp for this). > > This requires opening a SR with the SF staff. Any one of our project > admins can do this. Clarfication - webconf (the core) is already in leaf/src/config/webconf Mike already did that for us some time ago. (Thanks mike!!!) The docs weren't moved to the generic config part of the cvs tree because I had hoped the bering-uClibc would adopt them. They did recently, so I guess the only thing left is for someone to the web pages I referred to earlier to the buc guides instead of my devel tree. Then I'll be happy to kill my devel tree. If nobody does it, I'll also be happy to keep my devel tree. Doesn't matter either way. :-) What's NOT in leaf/src/config/webconf is all of the .lwp's (anything beyond webconf.lrp / webconf.lwp)Perhaps there's a place for them in the same spot. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
Hello Mike, > >> -Does someone know how to create an image which can be installed on a >> USB-flash key? Is there some sort of tool (GPL) available which creates >> such an image and/or makes a flash disk bootable? > > I think DSL has documentation on this. > > > http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/wiki/index.php/USB_Booting > Nope, not really. This only says boot the DSL CD-rom and select a menu-item to install on USB ;) > > Note: they're using mediawiki. > Which is a good thing. > > http://wiki.debian.org/BootUsb > This would be the same sort of setup we would use: fdisk the pendrive, make it bootable, copy the contents, syslinux it and edit some files. This is no image setup and that's where I'm looking after. > > -- > Mike Noyes > http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ > SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs > Eric > > > > --- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting > language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the > live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new > coding territory! > http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 > > > ___ > leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel > > --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
Mike, I fully recognize that nobody else is stepping up as "Documentation/Website Admin", and we all appreciate the job you are doing. I hope you'll take these as comments of what one person sees could make things a little better. Its just my perspective - and you are more than welcome to send this to /dev/null. I won't be offended. :-) On Wednesday 15 March 2006 11:02, Mike Noyes wrote: > > > To work on a project, then have it stored under someone else's name, > > buried in a cvs archive with no link to the homepage doesn't have the > > same reward as working on OpenWRT, posting your ipkg and letting the > > world see it. > > This seems directed at our cvs structure, website, and indirectly at me. > I'll say this again,"Our branch sites are under the control of their > lead developer." The only two that are under my direct supervision are > our hub and devel branch. Sorry if you read it that way, I wasn't trying to direct anything, just expressing the view as a lowly developer. I am not a member of the bering-uClibc team, the Bering team, or any other branch. I'm just a developer. Webconf is a web ui that works in the bering branch and the bering-uclibc branch, and with very little work would work in the oxygen branch. A lwp is just shell script that would work on a OpenWRT linksys router - not even LEAF. (really!) Since its just a component, it doesn't belong in any specific branch. So where does it go? Where it goes doesn't matter as much as where the end user has to look to find it. Right now the end-user has to play "hunt-the-lwp" through each developer's tree. I've got no issues with the CVS structure or you, but it would be nice to get some of the presentation hurdles out of the way to make it easier for the average "non-affiliated" developer to publicly contribute to the project. Please understand that I'm using webconf as an example, I'm *NOT* hoping to get webconf promoted to branch level or anything... The above statements could apply equally to a "lrp -> ipkg converter", or "better lrp package system", or some other really cool idea some developer has. > > Mike, please don't take this as personal criticism against the leaf > > website - we all appreciate what you ARE able to do, I'm just making an > > honest observation, based on the early interest I had seen in the web > > interface, and what had happened to many of the developers. > > Understood. I make mistakes, and all I can do is try to learn from them. > If I had it to do over again, I would have never implemented > application/xhtml+xml on a working phpWebSite without tidylib available. > > I hope installing mediawiki will alleviate most of these issues. It'll > give everyone a place for content. Greg Morgan is familiar with what > mediawiki can do, and can answer questions better than I can. Mediawiki would be a "good thing" IMHO. Imagine: when some weirdo comes along with his "web configuration ui that doesn't quite fit anywhere in the structure of things", park him somewhere in the wiki, let him document (or not) to his heart's content, and let Google figure out if its worth advertising to the world. This would also allow others to easily contribute to the web site content, and you can let the bering-uClibc folks figure out how they want to get their xml sources imported into mediawiki. Sounds like a win-win-win. Cheers --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
[leaf-devel] Development Model
Everyone, I think my evolution idea has died. My last few attempts to bring new leaf branches in, or create new ones within our project have failed. The bering-uclibc team seems to have gained enough support that other derivations fail to succeed within leaf. We haven't had a new branch in years. So... I propose we move to a monolithic development model, and give bering-uclibc the leaf name. They won as best of breed. -- Mike Noyes http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 08:57, Eric Spakman wrote: > To get things going: can you make a link from the mainpage to the lwp > development documentation in the Bering-uClibc section? Eric, I think an article for the hub is in order. That would give links and information. KP or I can post it, but I think Nathan is the best person to compose the announcement. > Also it would be > nice if the contents of Nathan's CVS space could be moved to a more > generic place (I think we need Kp for this). This requires opening a SR with the SF staff. Any one of our project admins can do this. > Some other questions to the list: > -Is someone willing to put effort in creating lwp (webconf) plugin packages? I have the same question. > -Does someone know how to create an image which can be installed on a > USB-flash key? Is there some sort of tool (GPL) available which creates > such an image and/or makes a flash disk bootable? I think DSL has documentation on this. http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/wiki/index.php/USB_Booting Note: they're using mediawiki. http://wiki.debian.org/BootUsb -- Mike Noyes http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
Hello Mike, >>> I agree. I thought this content was incorporated into the >>> bering-uclibc documentation. :-( >> >> It is: >> http://leaf.sourceforge.net/doc/guide/buc-devel.html >> http://leaf.sourceforge.net/doc/guide/buc-install.html >> > > Eric, > Hum, a google search using "site:leaf.sourceforge.net lwp" only returned > two hits, and the devel guide wasn't one of them. > That's strange To get things going: can you make a link from the mainpage to the lwp development documentation in the Bering-uClibc section? Also it would be nice if the contents of Nathan's CVS space could be moved to a more generic place (I think we need Kp for this). Some other questions to the list: -Is someone willing to put effort in creating lwp (webconf) plugin packages? -Does someone know how to create an image which can be installed on a USB-flash key? Is there some sort of tool (GPL) available which creates such an image and/or makes a flash disk bootable? Eric --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [leaf-devel] Flash Drive
Hi Mike, > -Original Message- > From: Mike Noyes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 4:21 PM > To: leaf-devel > Subject: RE: [leaf-devel] Flash Drive > > Luis, > I'm just one admin for this project. The other seven have the > same permissions as I do. They can even demote, then kick me > from our project. > > I've been dealing with a slight inconvenience the > last couple of > years. I'm sorry no one has stepped up to fill the void I'm > obviously leaving. I'm not what I was. I do the best > that I can > now. It seems it's not good enough. > > I know just another excuse. :-( That is not an excuse, it is a sad fact. Again, please forgive my harsh comments. I sure know the struggle you have been through. > > and leave us to take care of making, improving and maintaning > > Beging-uClibc as the best 'product'. > > I'll return to my hole under the rock. Thanks for putting me > in my place. No need to, just try to fix the problem. If you do, don't stay under the rock too much time, remember your work is invaluable! > > Please don't take my opinions as a personal attack, they are not. > > I don't know how else to take them. Thanks for the feedback. > It was most enlightening. I'll work on our docbook build > process, and installing mediawiki. Ok, please accept my sincere apologies for the grief I may have caused. It is work like yours in the past that took LEAF one step forward to where it is right now. There was nothing wrong with your comments other then the tone I found to be a bit off the conversation we were having. These discussions are what makes Linux such a great working place. But as all of us have said, there is little need for us to change the things the way they are. Maybe a bit more work on making things more visible in the website would indeed help... maybe... Bear with me for a while, I didn't and don't mean to shut you up. Cumprimentos, Luis Correia UMSL - Unidade de Microinformatica e Sistemas Locais IIESS, I.P. - Instituto de Informática e Estatística da Segurança Social Tel: 21 423 00 27 - Fax: 21 423 00 01 PGP Fingerprint: BC44 D7DA 5A17 F92A CA21 9ABE DFF0 3540 2322 21F6 Key Server: http://pgp.mit.edu --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid0944&bid$1720&dat1642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 08:03, Eric Spakman wrote: > > I agree. I thought this content was incorporated into the bering-uclibc > > documentation. :-( > > It is: > http://leaf.sourceforge.net/doc/guide/buc-devel.html > http://leaf.sourceforge.net/doc/guide/buc-install.html Eric, Hum, a google search using "site:leaf.sourceforge.net lwp" only returned two hits, and the devel guide wasn't one of them. -- Mike Noyes http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [leaf-devel] Flash Drive
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 07:28, Luis.F.Correia wrote: > What I fail to see is a better organized website. The problems I saw one > year ago concering documentation search are still present. You often > present the excuse that we don't have shell space to create the PDF's > and some other restrictions that i can't recall right now. Luis, I'm just one admin for this project. The other seven have the same permissions as I do. They can even demote, then kick me from our project. I've been dealing with a slight inconvenience the last couple of years. I'm sorry no one has stepped up to fill the void I'm obviously leaving. I'm not what I was. I do the best that I can now. It seems it's not good enough. I know just another excuse. :-( > You are probably the one to solve that problem. Stick to solving that > and leave us to take care of making, improving and maintaning > Beging-uClibc as the best 'product'. I'll return to my hole under the rock. Thanks for putting me in my place. > Please don't take my opinions as a personal attack, they are not. I don't know how else to take them. Thanks for the feedback. It was most enlightening. I'll work on our docbook build process, and installing mediawiki. -- Mike Noyes http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
Hello Mike, >> To get to these links, I went to http://leaf.sourceforge.net -> >> Developers (box at top) -> Angelacos, Nathan (What's Related Box) -> >> Webconf >> (UI Box) Not exactly where I would look it I wanted to develop a web >> interface for LEAF > > I agree. I thought this content was incorporated into the bering-uclibc > documentation. :-( > It is: http://leaf.sourceforge.net/doc/guide/buc-devel.html http://leaf.sourceforge.net/doc/guide/buc-install.html Eric --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 07:09, KP Kirchdoerfer wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 15. März 2006 15:48 schrieb Mike Noyes: > > Have you or anyone else on the bering-uclibc team asked for help? > > Yes, the framework and the lack of lwp's has been mentioned from to time on > the leaf lists. KP, Do you have a plan to address the issue? Should we use SF "Help Wanted", or something else to attract the people/talent needed for this task? -- Mike Noyes http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid0944&bid$1720&dat1642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 07:22, Nathan Angelacos wrote: > > Have you or anyone else on the bering-uclibc team asked for help? > > I have. If you have time, please search the mailing lists for the words > "webconf development" [BTW - Webconf isn't just bering-uClibc - it works > with classic Bering as well. Nathan, I remember most of the devel list conversation, and the last mention was in Aug 2005. That's over a year without mentioning it on our devel list. > Please don't blame lack of exposure on the bering-uClibc crew.] I'm not blaming anyone. > Not that you asked, but here's my $0.02. There are a number of reasons why > development has been slow, but here's one idea: > > A) its hard work Agreed. > B) there's no reward... I believe in "ego" as being a factor for OS > development, and right now there's no place for a budding webconf developer > to put his creation on the leaf site for the world to see. This is my fault. I'm working on the issue, but I'm tasked with fixing our docbook build process first. > I've had a number of conversations (see the mailing lists) with people who > want to write a lwp, and the only place we have for them to put their work > right now is in my devel cvs tree. That is something KP can address, or they can contact me to join us. > To work on a project, then have it stored under someone else's name, buried > in > a cvs archive with no link to the homepage doesn't have the same reward as > working on OpenWRT, posting your ipkg and letting the world see it. This seems directed at our cvs structure, website, and indirectly at me. I'll say this again,"Our branch sites are under the control of their lead developer." The only two that are under my direct supervision are our hub and devel branch. I implemented some advanced features on our website that caused an ease of use issue. Specifically, I have our site serving pages to capable browsers as application/xhtml+xml (see firefox page info). The problem is any content submitted by a user that isn't well formed xhtml will render the page unreadable. Fixing the problem isn't trivial. :-( This is why I haven't opened up the devel branch to our developers for modification. > Even in OpenWRT, web configuration is slow - so I think it proves the "hard > work" bit. :-) :-) > To get to these links, I went to http://leaf.sourceforge.net -> > Developers (box at top) -> Angelacos, Nathan (What's Related Box) -> Webconf > (UI Box) Not exactly where I would look it I wanted to develop a web > interface for LEAF I agree. I thought this content was incorporated into the bering-uclibc documentation. :-( > Mike, please don't take this as personal criticism against the leaf website - > we all appreciate what you ARE able to do, I'm just making an honest > observation, based on the early interest I had seen in the web interface, and > what had happened to many of the developers. Understood. I make mistakes, and all I can do is try to learn from them. If I had it to do over again, I would have never implemented application/xhtml+xml on a working phpWebSite without tidylib available. I hope installing mediawiki will alleviate most of these issues. It'll give everyone a place for content. Greg Morgan is familiar with what mediawiki can do, and can answer questions better than I can. -- Mike Noyes http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [leaf-devel] Flash Drive
Hello Guys, Just a comment from up north. Here most PC'er are still sold with a floppy drive and I have still a few PC running with floppy-leaf, even though most locations I serve, have now moved to WRAP units. Linux is, and always have been, about choices. Leaf provide MANY choises in one. That what make it great. So - if one should provide yet another choice, i.e usb-hdd image, what would it take to make it avalible, and, taken the comments on the different controllers/usb-hdd's, would it be possible at all (tom make it as one image)? Best regards form Norway Jørn -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Eric Spakman Sent: 15. mars 2006 16:34 To: Mike Noyes Cc: leaf-devel Subject: Re: [leaf-devel] Flash Drive Hello Mike, > Eric, > Continuing the CD image is worthwhile, but not the floppy. Replace the > floppy image with the new usb-hdd flash drive image. > I don't see any reason to replace the floppy image, it's still a nice format for older hardware and like I said before it doesn't "bite" us. We can make a flash or whatever image next to a CD or floppy image. Making things small is still a good goal, it keeps things simple and managable. >> But making it the default image is >> tricky. First there are multiple standards for USB, so a one image fits >> all isn't possible. I'm also not sure if there's a standard 'devicename' >> for USB to be set in leaf.cfg and syslinux.cfg. And how can we make a >> USB stick bootable without user intervention? >> > > USB is standard and usb-hdd is the bootable device you're looking for. > Not fully true, there are multiple USB controllers out there which needs different drivers (ohci, uhci, ..) I'm not sure if a one image fits all is possible. Besides we need some sort of installer or method to prepare a usb-flash drive, like formatting it and make it bootable. If someone knows a way to do that I'm glad to hear it. Like I said, there is already the possibility to boot from a flash drive, we provide a initrd with usb modules. We only haven't a standard image for it. > > DSL even sells their project installed on one. > http://damnsmalllinux.org/usb.html > > >>> Why not make floppy an 'other device' (legacy)? >>> >> >> I don't see any reason to make it legacy, it would be nice to just >> provide some images. So next to floppy and CD also CF and USB. But this >> is only possible if those two targets can be generic enough that it will >> work on most CF's and USB sticks. > > This is where I disagree. I see many reasons to make floppy legacy. > Again, a floppy image is just one taste. We make the packages small enough that they fit in limited space so a full functional setup _can_ be installed on a floppy. That doesn't mean it can't be installed on CD-rom, HDD, CF or USB-flash. There is no need to make floppy legacy, it's just one of the choices for a boot or backup medium. There is nothing against making more standard images like usb-booting or so, but why declaring something legacy if there is no technical reason to do so? EricS --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid0944&bid$1720&dat1642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] Flash Drive
Hello Mike, > Eric, > Continuing the CD image is worthwhile, but not the floppy. Replace the > floppy image with the new usb-hdd flash drive image. > I don't see any reason to replace the floppy image, it's still a nice format for older hardware and like I said before it doesn't "bite" us. We can make a flash or whatever image next to a CD or floppy image. Making things small is still a good goal, it keeps things simple and managable. >> But making it the default image is >> tricky. First there are multiple standards for USB, so a one image fits >> all isn't possible. I'm also not sure if there's a standard 'devicename' >> for USB to be set in leaf.cfg and syslinux.cfg. And how can we make a >> USB stick bootable without user intervention? >> > > USB is standard and usb-hdd is the bootable device you're looking for. > Not fully true, there are multiple USB controllers out there which needs different drivers (ohci, uhci, ..) I'm not sure if a one image fits all is possible. Besides we need some sort of installer or method to prepare a usb-flash drive, like formatting it and make it bootable. If someone knows a way to do that I'm glad to hear it. Like I said, there is already the possibility to boot from a flash drive, we provide a initrd with usb modules. We only haven't a standard image for it. > > DSL even sells their project installed on one. > http://damnsmalllinux.org/usb.html > > >>> Why not make floppy an 'other device' (legacy)? >>> >> >> I don't see any reason to make it legacy, it would be nice to just >> provide some images. So next to floppy and CD also CF and USB. But this >> is only possible if those two targets can be generic enough that it will >> work on most CF's and USB sticks. > > This is where I disagree. I see many reasons to make floppy legacy. > Again, a floppy image is just one taste. We make the packages small enough that they fit in limited space so a full functional setup _can_ be installed on a floppy. That doesn't mean it can't be installed on CD-rom, HDD, CF or USB-flash. There is no need to make floppy legacy, it's just one of the choices for a boot or backup medium. There is nothing against making more standard images like usb-booting or so, but why declaring something legacy if there is no technical reason to do so? EricS --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
RE: [leaf-devel] Flash Drive
Hi! > -Original Message- > From: Mike Noyes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 3:06 PM > To: Eric Spakman > Cc: leaf-devel > Subject: Re: [leaf-devel] Flash Drive > > On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 01:43, Eric Spakman wrote: > > >We can still strive to fit within 1.66M, and move to usb-hdd flash > > >drive as our default image. > > > > I don't see that as mutual exclusive, we can create an USB > image next > > to our floppy and CD images. > > Eric, > Continuing the CD image is worthwhile, but not the floppy. > Replace the floppy image with the new usb-hdd flash drive image. > > > But making it the default image is > > tricky. First there are multiple standards for USB, so a > one image > > fits all isn't possible. I'm also not sure if there's a standard > > 'devicename' for USB to be set in leaf.cfg and > syslinux.cfg. And how > > can we make a USB stick bootable without user intervention? > > USB is standard and usb-hdd is the bootable device you're looking for. > > DSL even sells their project installed on one. > http://damnsmalllinux.org/usb.html > > > >Why not make floppy an 'other device' (legacy)? > > > > I don't see any reason to make it legacy, it would be nice > to just > > provide some images. So next to floppy and CD also CF and USB. But > > this is only possible if those two targets can be generic > enough that > > it will work on most CF's and USB sticks. > > This is where I disagree. I see many reasons to make floppy legacy. Mike, as far as I'm concerned, the floppy will never be legacy, no matter how hard you try. What you are saying is 'I would like it to be legacy', but you fail to present a suitable reason other then 'all the others do it'. As Eric Spakman has already said, we do provide several alternative initrd packages that cover the things you request, and all are properly documented. What I fail to see is a better organized website. The problems I saw one year ago concering documentation search are still present. You often present the excuse that we don't have shell space to create the PDF's and some other restrictions that i can't recall right now. You are probably the one to solve that problem. Stick to solving that and leave us to take care of making, improving and maintaning Beging-uClibc as the best 'product'. Please don't take my opinions as a personal attack, they are not. Thanks, Luis Correia Bering uClibc Team Member PGP Fingerprint: BC44 D7DA 5A17 F92A CA21 9ABE DFF0 3540 2322 21F6 Key Server: http://pgp.mit.edu --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
I'm sort of echoing Mike's comment here, but I started to move away from LEAF because a) it remained "floppy" centric, b) no 2.6 support, c) the ipkg guys have come up with a good scheme for automatable over the wire updates. On the other hand, I still do like the "liveCD" aspects, if standard distros (BEring, Bering-uC, Wireless) all provided an easy/default means of separating out configuration into separate media - I remember some discussions in this regards, not sure if there has been any implementation. In any case, I did roll a 2.6-based version of Bering late last year (started out as a project effort, turned into a labor of love - thanks guys!), could probably push it back into one of the project trees if there is any interest. I'm not sure I'll be able to devote much time to it moving forward, though. Comments/thoughts - Mike, others? -Venki On 03/15/2006 09:09 AM, KP Kirchdoerfer wrote: Am Mittwoch, 15. März 2006 15:48 schrieb Mike Noyes: On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 01:43, Eric Spakman wrote: I think other projects are gaining users because they have a nice webconf interface and are easier to setup by less advanced users, not because they're technical better (in the contrary). We have a nice webconf framework, written by Nathan, but there are only a few persons so far who wrote a package for it. And we only have limited time. Eric, Have you or anyone else on the bering-uclibc team asked for help? Yes, the framework and the lack of lwp's has been mentioned from to time on the leaf lists. To gain users we should do something about the user experience, but as long as nobody steps up to create 'lwp' (webconf) packages, there is not much we can do about it. How would someone help? Is there documentation on creating lwp webconf packages? I see a chapter in the install guide, but nothing in the devel guide. http://leaf.sourceforge.net/doc/guide/install-bering-uclibc/Webconf-Configu ration.html The developer configuration is here: http://leaf.sourceforge.net/doc/guide/webconf-howto.html and has been available from day one in Nathans cvs repository. It also looks like webconf isn't enabled by default. It has been introduced as default web-interface and therefor enabled about a year ago - the documentation is a little bit older (or just fits for earlier LEAF versions :)). kp --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=k&kid0944&bid$1720&dat1642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid0944&bid$1720&dat1642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] Flash Drive
On Tue, 2006-03-14 at 23:47, Natanael Copa wrote: > Mike Noyes wrote: > > Another reason is, no one to my knowledge has successfully fit linux > > kernel 2.6 on a floppy. > > I have 1.44 floppies with 2.6 kernel + drivers to load the rest of the > system from either USB drive or cdrom. (one floppy with cdrom/ide > drivers and one with USB drivers) Natanael, Excellent news. :-) > The proof-of-concept CD is downloadable from here: > > http://jv.lmdata.org/alpine/hardened/isoimages/alpine-hardened-0.6.1-20060124.iso > > Floppy images are on the ISO. > > Boot from either, CDROM, USB (like you are discussing here) or floppy. > If you boot from floppy, you can load the rest from either USB or CDROM. > > Its very inspired from from LEAF, running everything from RAM. Just a > little more advanced package manager (http://apk-tools.sourceforge.net) Our package management, or lack thereof, caused many discussions on our devel list. > udev/hotplug support > > built on Gentoo embedded/hardened, which means grsec kernel and > everything compiled with SSP (stack smashing protection) This itself is > against the LEAF anti bloat philosophy. Myself found out that I am > willing to sacrifice 3-5% size and speed to raise the security level. > Todays computers can handle it. We have sacrificed size to security in the past too. I believe we use grsec already. > Mike, I understand what you are saying and trying to do with LEAF, and I > agree. Thats why I decided to not do the LEAF stuff but go my own way. Natanael, Understood. I hope this decision wasn't a result of my poor response time to your prior requests. You're still welcome to join leaf as far as I'm concerned. > I don't know if i'm a little bit rude suggesting this, but if you would > like to join me (I'm 100% alone doing this so far) and build another > LEAF-like distro, something that fits better in in todays world, you are > very welcome. Thank you for the kind offer. :-) I doubt I'd be of much use. Since my accident I spend most of my time keeping my double vision at bay, and performing daily living tasks. :-( -- Mike Noyes http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
Mike, > Eric, > Have you or anyone else on the bering-uclibc team asked for help? I have. If you have time, please search the mailing lists for the words "webconf development" [BTW - Webconf isn't just bering-uClibc - it works with classic Bering as well. Please don't blame lack of exposure on the bering-uClibc crew.] Not that you asked, but here's my $0.02. There are a number of reasons why development has been slow, but here's one idea: A) its hard work B) there's no reward... I believe in "ego" as being a factor for OS development, and right now there's no place for a budding webconf developer to put his creation on the leaf site for the world to see. I've had a number of conversations (see the mailing lists) with people who want to write a lwp, and the only place we have for them to put their work right now is in my devel cvs tree. To work on a project, then have it stored under someone else's name, buried in a cvs archive with no link to the homepage doesn't have the same reward as working on OpenWRT, posting your ipkg and letting the world see it. Even in OpenWRT, web configuration is slow - so I think it proves the "hard work" bit. :-) > > How would someone help? Is there documentation on creating lwp webconf > packages? I see a chapter in the install guide, but nothing in the devel > guide. > > http://leaf.sourceforge.net/doc/guide/install-bering-uclibc/Webconf-Configu >ration.html > > It also looks like webconf isn't enabled by default. Discussion page: http://leaf.sourceforge.net/devel/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=91 Howto develop webconfs: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/*checkout*/leaf/devel/nangel/webconf/doc/webconf-howto.html?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/html To get to these links, I went to http://leaf.sourceforge.net -> Developers (box at top) -> Angelacos, Nathan (What's Related Box) -> Webconf (UI Box) Not exactly where I would look it I wanted to develop a web interface for LEAF Mike, please don't take this as personal criticism against the leaf website - we all appreciate what you ARE able to do, I'm just making an honest observation, based on the early interest I had seen in the web interface, and what had happened to many of the developers. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
Am Mittwoch, 15. März 2006 15:48 schrieb Mike Noyes: > On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 01:43, Eric Spakman wrote: > > I think other projects are gaining users because they have a nice > > webconf interface and are easier to setup by less advanced users, not > > because they're technical better (in the contrary). We have a nice > > webconf framework, written by Nathan, but there are only a few persons > > so far who wrote a package for it. And we only have limited time. > > Eric, > Have you or anyone else on the bering-uclibc team asked for help? Yes, the framework and the lack of lwp's has been mentioned from to time on the leaf lists. > > To gain users we should do something about the user experience, but as > > long as nobody steps up to create 'lwp' (webconf) packages, there is > > not much we can do about it. > > How would someone help? Is there documentation on creating lwp webconf > packages? I see a chapter in the install guide, but nothing in the devel > guide. > > http://leaf.sourceforge.net/doc/guide/install-bering-uclibc/Webconf-Configu >ration.html The developer configuration is here: http://leaf.sourceforge.net/doc/guide/webconf-howto.html and has been available from day one in Nathans cvs repository. > It also looks like webconf isn't enabled by default. It has been introduced as default web-interface and therefor enabled about a year ago - the documentation is a little bit older (or just fits for earlier LEAF versions :)). kp --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid0944&bid$1720&dat1642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] Flash Drive
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 01:43, Eric Spakman wrote: > >We can still strive to fit within 1.66M, and move to usb-hdd flash drive > >as our default image. > > I don't see that as mutual exclusive, we can create an USB image next > to our floppy and CD images. Eric, Continuing the CD image is worthwhile, but not the floppy. Replace the floppy image with the new usb-hdd flash drive image. > But making it the default image is > tricky. First there are multiple standards for USB, so a one image > fits all isn't possible. I'm also not sure if there's a standard > 'devicename' for USB to be set in leaf.cfg and syslinux.cfg. And how > can we make a USB stick bootable without user intervention? USB is standard and usb-hdd is the bootable device you're looking for. DSL even sells their project installed on one. http://damnsmalllinux.org/usb.html > >Why not make floppy an 'other device' (legacy)? > > I don't see any reason to make it legacy, it would be nice to just > provide some images. So next to floppy and CD also CF and USB. But > this is only possible if those two targets can be generic enough that > it will work on most CF's and USB sticks. This is where I disagree. I see many reasons to make floppy legacy. -- Mike Noyes http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] Flash Drive
Mike Noyes wrote: > On Tue, 2006-03-14 at 14:24, Eric Spakman wrote: > >>> We do have minimum requirements, and don't support all old hardware. I'm >>> just suggesting we evaluate our minimum requirements again. >>> >>> >> Why should we do that? As long as we can make the setup small enough that >> it can even fit on a floppy (which is a nice goal by itself to not bloat >> the distro). >> > > Eric, > Another reason is, no one to my knowledge has successfully fit linux > kernel 2.6 on a floppy. > I have managed to fit a linux kernel + drivers to either IDE/cdrom or USB drive on a single 1.44 floppy. The hard part was to get a busybox small but feature rich enough to load the rest of the system from USB/CDROM to RAM and handle it over. -- Natanael Copa --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
[leaf-devel] lwp (webconf) packages
On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 01:43, Eric Spakman wrote: > I think other projects are gaining users because they have a nice > webconf interface and are easier to setup by less advanced users, not > because they're technical better (in the contrary). We have a nice > webconf framework, written by Nathan, but there are only a few persons > so far who wrote a package for it. And we only have limited time. Eric, Have you or anyone else on the bering-uclibc team asked for help? > To gain users we should do something about the user experience, but as > long as nobody steps up to create 'lwp' (webconf) packages, there is > not much we can do about it. How would someone help? Is there documentation on creating lwp webconf packages? I see a chapter in the install guide, but nothing in the devel guide. http://leaf.sourceforge.net/doc/guide/install-bering-uclibc/Webconf-Configuration.html It also looks like webconf isn't enabled by default. -- Mike Noyes http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
Re: [leaf-devel] Flash Drive
Hi Mike, >I agree that we should avoid bloat. However, it seems to me we're >missing desired functionality by sticking to the 3.5" floppy minimum >requirement. Other projects (IPCop, etc.) are gaining users, and even >getting nominated for SF.net CCA. > I don't think we are missing desired functionality by sticking to the 3.5" floppy minimum requirement, LEAF is modular so functionality can be added by adding packages. We also have a CD-rom image with all available packages/functionality. We are just able to put all basic functionality on a floppy, which is nice in my opinion. Extra functionality is available by adding packages. I think other projects are gaining users because they have a nice webconf interface and are easier to setup by less advanced users, not because they're technical better (in the contrary). We have a nice webconf framework, written by Nathan, but there are only a few persons so far who wrote a package for it. And we only have limited time. To gain users we should do something about the user experience, but as long as nobody steps up to create 'lwp' (webconf) packages, there is not much we can do about it. >From our project goals: Maintain as small a footprint as >possible for release/branch target installations. > >SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards >http://sourceforge.net/awards/cca/ > >It's been a long time since I've seen leaf mentioned in a magazine or >nominated for an award. :-( > Yes that's a pity >-- >Mike Noyes >http://sourceforge.net/users/mhnoyes/ >SF.net Projects: leaf, phpwebsite, phpwebsite-comm, sitedocs > Eric > > >--- >This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language >that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast >and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! >http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 > >___ >leaf-devel mailing list >leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel > --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ leaf-devel mailing list leaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
