[leaf-user] Re: [Leaf-devel] is Bering GNU?
Le Samedi 13 Juillet 2002 07:55, George Georgalis a écrit : Is Bering GNU? I'm beginning to have my doubts. Where is /usr/src/linux/.config? http://leaf.sourceforge.net/devel/jnilo/bering/rc3/ http://leaf.sourceforge.net/devel/jnilo/bering/rc3/patches/ JN --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
Re: [leaf-user] Searching makeiso.exe (windows) howto or its params explainations ?
Some comments inline - Original Message - From: Francois BERGERET [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'LEAF' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 9:03 PM Subject: RE: [leaf-user] Searching makeiso.exe (windows) howto or its params explainations ? Hi Craig, many thanks for your reply. I am using Windows 2000 pro with Nero 5.5.4.8. I have done all what is said in the Bering User's Manual and I have created the 'lrpkg.cfg' file on my Bering box with 'ae' editor and copied it in the \BCD\diskcontent\ directory. The first image created with 'makeiso' on the Windows box was ok but this is my 'normal' Bering CD who is running actualy, without the 'lrpkg.cfg' file and the normal 'isolinux.cfg' content as described in the manual. It's copy is following : display syslinux.dpy timeout 0 default linux initrd=initrd.lrp init=/linuxrc root=/dev/ram0 boot=/dev/cdrom:iso9660 PKGPATH=/dev/cdrom:iso9660,/dev/fd0u1680:msdos LRP=root,etc,local,modules,ppp,pppoe,keyboard,shorwall,dnscache,weblet The following images (several various to check what was wrong) was created with the same content but with adding one file only, the famous 'lrpkg.cfg'. And 'crash' ! Not bootable CD ! When does it block ?? ( after BIOS POS, do you see messages from isolinux ) could you tell us the lastest message on you screen when it stops I have checked again and again, with a simple text.file instead of this 'lrpkg.cfg' to be able to say that it is not this file containt who do that. Any file do the boot crash... I think now, but I am perharps on the wrong way, that it is the number of files who is doing that, or, perharps, the capacity volume of the image has a maximum size and I have broken this limit by adding one file... I have heard that bootable images are some sorts of floppy or old little hard disks emulations. If this is true, may be tha actual parmeters of the 'makeiso' batch are for something like a super floppy disk as a 1680 ko capacity ? Is this true ? is far as I know, the instructions in the bering user's guide explain the procedure using isolinux which boots directly from the cd without a floppy image. Do you know all the signification of the parametres included in this batch ? What can I change to expand the capacity ? What can I describe more to show you my configuration here ? Many thanks for any help, my friend Craig. Best Regards. Francois BERGERET / France, near Paris -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]De la part de Craig Envoye : vendredi 12 juillet 2002 05:06 A : LEAF Objet : [leaf-user] Searching makeiso.exe (windows) howto or its params explainations ? I'm not sure if I can help...but I'll try. 1.) Are you using Windows or Linux to make your CD's? 2.) Assuming you're using Windows, can't you just download all of the appropriate files for Bering, add the lrpkg.cfg package to it, and then use something like Roxio or Nero to re-create your CD? Cheers, Craig --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek PC Mods, Computing goodies, cases more http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Gadgets, caffeine, t-shirts, fun stuff. http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
[leaf-user] RE: [Leaf-devel] is Bering GNU?
George, I'm kind of curios. Why did you feel the need to cross-post to lists not related to LEAF? Odd, one in San Diego and the other in New York? How incredibly odd. Did you want encompass the United States, some LEAF developers are not US citizens you know, you might want to cross post to lists in France, Germany, Brazil and Japan too. If you had leaf related questions, why did not ask them on the publicly available LEAF-USER list and not copy email lists that the VAST majority of people on said lists are not subscribed too? Instead of asking specific questions you start off with a general leading question and then launch into an attack. I name thee TROLL! I thought about not sending this message, but you just didn't appear to do your research and quite frankly there is a hell of a lot of FREE support on the leaf-user lists. I note that http://www.mail-archive.com/cgi-bin/htsearch?method=andformat=shortconfig=l eaf-user_lists_sourceforge_netrestrict=exclude=words=George+Georgalis shows that a lot of folks spent a LOT of FREE time helping you out. Never the less, these messages are in the archive so I will endeavor to answer some of your attacks ^H^H^H^H^H^H concerns and ignore others at my whim. And then, quite possibly, black hole any further messages from you because I can and life is not fair. :) I will probably also supply frivolous information to amuse myself because it's late and I am occasionally a random sentence generator. At least that may provide amusement to some. Leaf-project is several different distro's with similar and differing objectives. Your inability to instantly gain all knowledge of it without spending some time doing YOUR homework is tiresome. You assume that because you think you know Linux that you should be able to instantly understand 1 of 5 specialized distributions in the LEAF project and the compromises necessary to fit them on a floppy disk? I wish I had your knowledge and learning skills. No, wait... No I don't. Note: I am speaking for myself because you irked me and it's late where I am. Comments inline marked sp -Original Message- From: George Georgalis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 10:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Leaf-devel] is Bering GNU? I'm beginning to have my doubts. Where is /usr/src/linux/.config? Where are the other compile time options for other binaries? Just how was Bering_1.0-rc3_img_bering_1680.bin made? sp doubt away and use another project. OR ask politely and you directed to the information. Volunteer projects have a problem - NO PAID SUPPORT! If you perceive a lack, ask/gather the information, do a write up and submit it for inclusion in the FAQ's/Documentation. I will endeavor to direct you to some of the documentation you obviously missed on your first or second perusal of our site. I think the site is up to 2-3GB. After spending a good part of a week, and _all_ day Friday getting up a Bering router before a deadline -- subsequently missing the first day of a conference http://h2k2.org -- I looked back at what was the problem. I discovered I was hacking around a product (the Bering image) much like the manner of before I used Linux. I have this disk image, that I mount to find, compressed archives, containing finely tailored scripts and a handful of binaries. Together they make up the GNU Bering. (And maybe other leaf versions as well.) sp Nothing personal but I am reminded of an old IT saying. You lack of planning does not necessarily constitute an emergency on my part ESPECIALLY when you're NOT paying for my time! Why would anyone but you care that you were late to something? Did you get fired? Why would LEAF be relevant to your not planning sufficient testing and implementation time in a project? Configuration is through lrcfg. Not the same as a full distro of Linux. sp My first experience was with the Eigerstein distro and I had it set up in 25 minutes. At the time, I didn't even know what Linux was. sp Leaf, being specialized, oddly enough, has to make compromises on how some things work. sp Perhaps the Bering user doc was to much for you http://leaf.sourceforge.net/devel/jnilo/busers.html sp Perhaps the Bering Installation guide was insufficient http://leaf.sourceforge.net/devel/jnilo/binstall.html I have hunted all over http://leaf-project.org and http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ for the source, or even a file that says version xx.yy.zz of busybox was compiled with the following patch and compile time options. Or maybe a tgz of the /usr/local/src/bering where the image was made? Nothing. I find myself writing scripts to extract and compress lrp files. Surely everyone doesn't gzip -c9 what they made by tar cf after mounting and extracting their first floppy image? Is this the intended way to indoctrinate new developers to the old school?
[leaf-user] LEAF Bering installation guide suggestions for modification.
Hi everybody if I may suggest to add a few words in the install guide: 1) http://leaf.sourceforge.net/devel/jnilo/bidownmod.html 4. Installation - step 2: download the modules Modules can be stored in two different places: In /boot/lib/modules: these modules will be loaded at the very begining of the booting process. This facility is used to load drivers which will be necessary in order to be able to load the remaining of the packages (CD-ROM drivers or Hard Drive driver for example if you use a different boot-media , cf Bering User Guide : 9. Booting Bering from different boot-media). These modules will be saved in the initrd.lrp package. None are provided by default in the LEAF distribution since most users won't need any. You will also need to edit /boot/etc/modules. In /lib/modules: these modules are provided by the modules.lrp package which is loaded as any other package. This package should provide most - if not all - of the modules required to have the LEAF firewall working on your specific hardware. You will also need to edit /etc/modules. --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
RE: [leaf-user] Adding routes
To be honest, this is the fastest and best way I figure out, adding it to the INTERFACES file U can also ad it in the /etc/network/if-up.d iface eth1 inet static address 10.0.0.100 masklen 24 broadcast 10.255.255.255 up ip route add x.x.x.x/xx via x.x.x.x dev eth1 Just create a script in the map, chmod it to eXecute, and it should work also, everytime the interface is brought up.. Just my 0.02cents -Original Message- From: Homer Parker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 06:36 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [leaf-user] Adding routes I've got a Bering RC2 setup that I need to add a static route to, but I can't figure out where to add it... I know what I need, just not sure where is the proper place to implement... Any help appreciated.. --- Homer Parker (The Bogus One) http://www.homershut.net telnet://bbs.homershut.net This e-mail message is 100% Microsoft free! WARNING: THIS ACCOUNT BELONGS TO A RABID ANTI-SPAMMER NET-NAZI DOT-COMMUNIST. /\ \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML Mail / \ --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
Re: [leaf-user] DHCP Management
At 08:50 AM 7/13/02 -0700, Harold Miller wrote: Lynn, Maybe I'm hiking off in the wrong direction. I wanted to have a MASQ'd windows net, and 3 Internet Servers (WWW/DNS, SMTP/DNS, WWW) connected via a Bering RC3 firewall to a Cable modem on the Internet. I assumed (yes, I know what it stands for) that to do that I would need 5 IP's in the same subnet, I count 4 addresses, not 5 -- one for the router itself and one for each of the 3 servers. The NAT'd LAN does not need a separate external address; it uses the router's own address externally.. Actually, if you did it by service, not by server, you could get by with 3 addresses ... but doing it that way is a bit trickier then you probably want to try for. As to the same subnet part, see below. with the firewall eth0 being the connection to the INTERNET, and eth2 being the gateway for the servers to toss their data to. eth3 would service the MASQ'd boxes. When it was all running I was gonna TRY to config eth1 as a backup net connection, perhaps using DSL or ISDN. The backup will also be tricky, at least for the servers, unless you go to something a lot more complex (and probably expensive) than you are likely to have in mind. Is there a better plan? The Cable Co will sell me 5 IP's, but they may NOT be in a sub-net and they have to be issued at least once thru their DHCP server, to avoid conflicts with their other clients. I've never tried routing individual, non-related IP's thru a firewall... They can't be *completely* non-related. They will have to be on some definable network, or else the ISP won't be able to handle the routing in any sensible way. But they may be non-continguous addresses on a /24 or /22 (or whatever the ISP uses) network. Individual addresses can be handled with proxy arp, and that is probably the easiest way to do what you want. You can'ty simply route them unless the ISP cooperates, modifying its routing table to identify the LEAF router's IP address as its route to the other 3 (or 4). The tricky part for proxy arp is the DHCP part. I don't know of a way for the LEAF router to acquire, via DHCP, multiple addresses, then proxy-arp (and pass on to the actual servers) all but one of them. If the addresses are stable, though (I infer they might be from the at least once phrase), you can just get the ISP to issue them initially by connecting the hosts directly to the ISP, then treat them as static addresses for proxy arp setup. OTOH, if the addresses will change a lot, then how do you propose to use them to run servers? You appear to be intending to run authoritative DNS servers for your domain locally (otherwise your DNS resolvers do not need to be Internet servers), and to do that, you need stable, predictable IP addresses, not ones that change at the cable company's whim. Thank you for your time. I DO APPRECIATE the prompt, and mostly accurate support this group provides. Perhaps some day I can assist, when I've a bit more experience in this specific arena. (I'm not afraid of writing technical documentation.) -- ---Never tell me the odds!-- Ray Olszewski-- Han Solo Palo Alto, California, USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
Re: [leaf-user] DHCP Management
On Sat, 13 Jul 2002, Ray Olszewski wrote: They can't be *completely* non-related. They will have to be on some definable network, or else the ISP won't be able to handle the routing in any sensible way. But they may be non-continguous addresses on a /24 or /22 (or whatever the ISP uses) network. Individual addresses can be handled with proxy arp, and that is probably the easiest way to do what you want. You can'ty simply route them unless the ISP cooperates, modifying its routing table to identify the LEAF router's IP address as its route to the other 3 (or 4). I agree with Ray that Proxy ARP is the only sensible way to handle this configuration. See: http://www.shorewall.net/Documentation.htm#ProxyArp and http://www.shorewall.net/ProxyARP.htm -Tom -- Tom Eastep\ Shorewall - iptables made easy AIM: tmeastep \ http://www.shorewall.net ICQ: #60745924 \ [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
[leaf-user] Re: [Leaf-devel] is Bering GNU?
On Sat, 13 Jul 2002 01:55:44 -0400 George Georgalis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In all sincerity, Bering is very cool. It could just be a lot better if it was more in the spirit of _encouraging_ open source development rather than barley qualifying, actually I bet if it was audited, it wouldn't pass. If there are scripts to tar and gzip a lrp package, why aren't they part of a tools.tgz right beside package_src.tgz and compile_configs.tgz next to the Leaf_UML packages and extraction instructions for odd archives? I know asking for doc is a lot, but maintaining a file of command lines used to make the binaries from source would be an excellent first step. http://www.franzdoodle.com/bering/dev.tgz Here is the development environment I use to customize Bering for compact flash. If it is useful, I will contribute it to the project. It is incomplete, and lacking documentation (two of your pet peeves, I see), but I am working hard at a day job in an economic downturn and the projects I am involved in at work have been steered away from embedded linux since I started on the project /excuse It is only a framework, somewhat quick and dirty. I will write a doc if it looks useful to anyone at first glance. I suspect, however, that it is not that much different than what others might be using for their custom projects. I hope that this helps some. -- Chad Carr [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
[leaf-user] Bering/Shorewall 1.3.3 - Accessing internal Web server
I just upgraded to the new Shorewall package and am now trying to make an internal Web server visible to the Internet. Eventually I'll put it in a DMZ so this is just for testing. I added the following to the Shorewall rules: # DNATnet loc:192.168.1.201 tcp 80 # This doesn't seem to work. It is possible that my ISP is blocking port 80 so I also tried # DNATnet loc:192.168.1.201 tcp 80 81 # and tried directing my browser to xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:81 I have this feeling I'm missing something simple but after reviewing the Shorewall documentation, I'm not sure what it might be. I double-checked the network settings on the internal Web server and everything seems to be in order (i.e. the gateway address is pointed to the internal interface of the Bering box, subnet mask is correct, server is pingable from the router and vice-versa. thanks! paul --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
Re: [leaf-user] Bering/Shorewall 1.3.3 - Accessing internal Web server
What says cat /etc/hosts.deny ? Jacques Le Samedi 13 Juillet 2002 20:02, Paul M. Wright, Jr. a écrit : I just upgraded to the new Shorewall package and am now trying to make an internal Web server visible to the Internet. Eventually I'll put it in a DMZ so this is just for testing. I added the following to the Shorewall rules: # DNATnet loc:192.168.1.201 tcp 80 # This doesn't seem to work. It is possible that my ISP is blocking port 80 so I also tried # DNAT net loc:192.168.1.201 tcp 80 81 # and tried directing my browser to xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:81 I have this feeling I'm missing something simple but after reviewing the Shorewall documentation, I'm not sure what it might be. I double-checked the network settings on the internal Web server and everything seems to be in order (i.e. the gateway address is pointed to the internal interface of the Bering box, subnet mask is correct, server is pingable from the router and vice-versa. thanks! paul --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
Re: [leaf-user] Bering/Shorewall 1.3.3 - Accessing internal Webserver
On Sat, 13 Jul 2002, Paul M. Wright, Jr. wrote: I just upgraded to the new Shorewall package and am now trying to make an internal Web server visible to the Internet. Eventually I'll put it in a DMZ so this is just for testing. I added the following to the Shorewall rules: # DNATnet loc:192.168.1.201 tcp 80 # This doesn't seem to work. It is possible that my ISP is blocking port 80 so I also tried # DNAT net loc:192.168.1.201 tcp 80 81 # That rule should have been: DNATnet loc:192.168.1.201:80tcp 81 -Tom -- Tom Eastep\ Shorewall - iptables made easy AIM: tmeastep \ http://www.shorewall.net ICQ: #60745924 \ [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
RE: [leaf-user] Bering/Shorewall 1.3.3 - Accessing internal Web server
Thanks, Tom and Jacques! Jacques was absolutely right about the /etc/hosts.deny and my ISP *is* apparently blocking port 80 but the correct DNAT syntax fixed that so Tom, I appreciated your response as well. I appreciate the most excellent support! regards, paul -Original Message- From: Tom Eastep [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 11:18 AM To: Paul M. Wright, Jr. Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [leaf-user] Bering/Shorewall 1.3.3 - Accessing internal Web server On Sat, 13 Jul 2002, Paul M. Wright, Jr. wrote: I just upgraded to the new Shorewall package and am now trying to make an internal Web server visible to the Internet. Eventually I'll put it in a DMZ so this is just for testing. I added the following to the Shorewall rules: # DNATnet loc:192.168.1.201 tcp 80 # This doesn't seem to work. It is possible that my ISP is blocking port 80 so I also tried # DNAT net loc:192.168.1.201 tcp 80 81 # That rule should have been: DNATnet loc:192.168.1.201:80tcp 81 -Tom -- Tom Eastep\ Shorewall - iptables made easy AIM: tmeastep \ http://www.shorewall.net ICQ: #60745924 \ [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
RE: [leaf-user] DHCP Management
On Sat, 13 Jul 2002, Ray Olszewski wrote: snip Individual addresses can be handled with proxy arp, and that is probably the easiest way to do what you want. You can'ty simply route them unless the ISP cooperates, modifying its routing table to identify the LEAF router's IP address as its route to the other 3 (or 4). Then Tom says: I agree with Ray that Proxy ARP is the only sensible way to handle this configuration. See: http://www.shorewall.net/Documentation.htm#ProxyArp and http://www.shorewall.net/ProxyARP.htm BINGO!!! That second link is EXACTLY what I want to do. Now if the Cable Company can hold up their part of the deal. I'll post specifics as soon as I get it opeational. Heartfelt Thanks to both Ray and Tom Harold -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by NW.NET's MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
[leaf-user] Re: is Bering GNU?
On Saturday 13 July 2002 00:55, George Georgalis wrote: Is Bering GNU? Are you using any DBJ utilities or any other binaries that are not GPL'ed? I don't believe you downloaded Bering/GNU as the particular license used with LEAF is up to the individual developer. I would suggest stopping any systems you have now and remove any software that is not GPL'ed and part of the GNU project if this is a mandate of yours. I guess if we were strictly GNU, the project would be hosted on Savanah, not SourceForge. I'm beginning to have my doubts. Where is /usr/src/linux/.config? Where are the other compile time options for other binaries? Just how was Bering_1.0-rc3_img_bering_1680.bin made? Do you have room on your floppy for the complete kernel source? It is available on the LEAF site if you would like the SRC, I seriously doubt that you need to compile a new kernel or package to get something to function correctly. In any regards, there is no compilers included with the LEAF distributions for lack of space limitations. Our distributions are router-type products, not development platforms. Almost all code written by LEAF is Ash shell script, I imagine you can figure out where the SRC for this is. After spending a good part of a week, and _all_ day Friday getting up a Bering router before a deadline -- subsequently missing the first day of a conference http://h2k2.org -- I looked back at what was the problem. I discovered I was hacking around a product (the Bering image) much like the manner of before I used Linux. I have this disk image, that I mount to find, compressed archives, containing finely tailored scripts and a handful of binaries. Together they make up the GNU Bering. (And maybe other leaf versions as well.) I apologize for you missing your deadline and/or conference. This happens quite frequently to Admins of any OS that do not plan an install/turn-over properly, I hardly feel that we are responsible for your own lack of Administration/deadline skills. The core OS that boots up is Bering and includes Syslinux, Busybox, and almost everything else is Ash shell-script. Packages like pump, dhcpd, dnscache, etc are add-on packages that are not Bering or LEAF. Some of these add-on packages are included with the image, many of them are not. What you put on you system and use is utimately up to you to decide. Is Linux GNU? Not ideally, maybe you should only use GNU/HURD. I think that Oxygen is the LEAF release that works more inline to what you are expecting, but Oxygen is MIT licenced and I could not image the fit using this license would cause you. In any regards, why were you hacking the product to get it running at deadline in a production environment? Simple configuration suffices for thousands of users of this product w/o needing to hack any source code. Possibly one of us is missing the obvious answer. I have hunted all over http://leaf-project.org and http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ for the source, or even a file that says version xx.yy.zz of busybox was compiled with the following patch and compile time options. Or maybe a tgz of the /usr/local/src/bering where the image was made? Nothing. I find myself writing scripts to extract and compress lrp files. Surely everyone doesn't gzip -c9 what they made by tar cf after mounting and extracting their first floppy image? Is this the intended way to indoctrinate new developers to the old school? No, most of us use the included lrpkg utility with the lrcfg utility that has been around for over five years now. This would be the same one you have used for years with Eigerstein. Developers should have been rather familiar with the Developers Guide that is clearly placed in our extensive and complete FAQ section of the LEAF web-site. I have serious doubts that you really needed to do anything besides add/remove add-on packages and configure them like everyone else seems to have little problem doing. I even asked a few well read LUG groups what the lrp format was, or how I could run the lrcfg that I read about without actually booting the distro. Nobody knew because the design is not conducive to group development, it's intended use is like that of proprietary software -- take the binary, configure it with the configuration menu and be like everyone else. Ummm ok! ;-) Can you point me to a statement on the LEAF site that declares that we are release developement tools/distribution? How many DOS files do you have with a *.tar.gz name? I assume your just upset and bantering at this point, how many of the well-read LUG groups are using LEAF? You might have found a better answer to your questions if you had asked someone who was some-what familiar with the project. Let's make this clear again: !!! LEAF IS NOT A DEVELOPMENT PLATFORM Surely with your experience and skills, you have access to a GNU development box that includes tar and rename utilites! I suggest GNU/HURD to avoid any ugly non-GNU
Re: [leaf-user] Status - Harold (not quite a newbie anymore)
On Thursday 11 July 2002 17:14, Harold Miller wrote: All I want is firewall, ssh, dhcp, dhcpd. Can't quite get it all on a floppy. You can save a lot of space by using the udhcp package instead of pump/dhclient and dhcpd. Udhcp is linked from: http://leaf.sourceforge.net/devel/guitarlynn Getting pretty good with the ip command though. Is busybox one of the utilities used on the Bering product? Much of BB is included, but not everything. -- ~Lynn Avants aka Guitarlynn guitarlynn at users.sourceforge.net http://leaf.sourceforge.net If linux isn't the answer, you've probably got the wrong question! --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
[leaf-user] Re: [Leaf-devel] is Bering GNU?
On Sat, 13 Jul 2002 01:55:44 -0400 George Georgalis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is Bering GNU? That was pretty funny. Was it what you expected? I hope whatever you wanted to get out of that post you got out of one of the respondents (or more). Feel free to post again if your questions haven't been answered. And, seriously, if you want to enhance or otherwise contribute to the project, or even just monitor the list to help other users avoid getting into the jams you got into (or help them get out in time for their conferences ;-)), I think I speak for most of the folks on the list when I say, go to it! Open source projects are invariably best supported by their users, especially the ones who have been through the more rough paths. I think that if you watch the leaf-user list for awhile, you'll find that it is one of the best support lists out there. -- Chad Carr [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
[leaf-user] Bering top.lrp
Hi everyone, By any chance, does someone have a top.lrp package for Bering-rc3? --Alan --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
