RE: [leaf-user] Are there other Soekris like appliances to run LEAF on?

2002-08-25 Thread S Mohan

The one listed in bonatech looks exactly like the openbrick MS2300LLL
costing $295 - gets 800Mhz CPU, 512MBRAM, 2 PCMCIA slots, CF slot. Good
deal.

I've been participating in this thread and am interested in building
LEAF appliances. To complete the appliance, I think the LCD option is
essential. If this community can put to gether a spec of a standard
hardware, maybe some company like nagasaki could build a fully
integrated low cost piece.

My idea of the hardware goes as under:

1. CPU power not very crucial but low heat dissipation essential. Geode
300Mhz is fine.
2. 128MB RAM on board.
3. CF drive on IDE accessible on the rear - will enable plugging and
plugging out bootable CF. If smartmedia or multimedia cards can be made
r/o physically, would prefer those drives.
4. 20x2 LCD panel with HD44780 controller mounted on the front connected
to parallel port on board.
5. 3 LAN ports.
6. Universal 110-240V power supply.
7. Rackmount accessories.

Mohan


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Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 3:52 AM
To: Craig; LEAF
Subject: Re: [leaf-user] Are there other Soekris like appliances to
run LEAF on?


Hi Craig,

I always liked these kind of devices, like the OpenBrick mentioned by
guitarlynn.  Here is another one that the list might find interesting (I
haven't seen it mentioned in the archives)
  http://www.mini-itx.com/
especially the Bona Computech Co., Ltd. (aka Lex) computer as it is
available with Three LAN on board Realtek RLT8100B 10/100T base.

Another feature I like about these cute little things ;) is their low
power usage.  IIRC, the 400 Mhz version uses only 5 watts of power (533
and 667 Mhz versions also available.)  While not as low as the
OpenBrick, you can have 3 NICs vs. 2, plus more memory and faster CPU.
Not sure on price though ;).

--- Craig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi folks,
 Are there other svelte looking devices that LEAF can be installed on

 like these Soekris type devices (http://www.soekris.com/)? Since at
 least Soekris doesn't have a floppy drive or CD, how do you manage to
 install/administer LEAF? Are these devices really secure in the
 sense that they're somehow read only like a write protected floppy or
 CD-R?


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RE: [leaf-user] [long] boot media write protection and change detection (was: Are there other Soekris...)

2002-08-25 Thread S Mohan

Can't remember but did see such a network server controlled boot and
configuration of diskless linux machines booting into ramdisk and then
running as standalone machines. Shall post soon as I'm able to get to
it. Think it was an OSS project in sourceforge.

Mohan

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Subject: [leaf-user] [long] boot media write protection and change
detection (was: Are there other Soekris...)



On Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:35:18 MST Craig wrote:

 Are there other svelte looking devices that LEAF can be installed on

 like these Soekris type devices

 [snip]

 Are these devices really secure in the sense
 that they're somehow read only like a write protected floppy or CD-R?


Probably obvious to everyone here, but with all the emphasis
on write-protected boot media lately, it might be worth mentioning that
hardware write-protected boot media is only good if you detect when
unauthorized changes are made to the
(writable) ramdisk.  It's not much good to have a clean boot image if
you don't know to reboot and restore it.

One approach to increasing protection afforded by the write- protected
boot media would be to run the firewall in a nearly halted state as
described in SysAdmin at

  http://www.samag.com/documents/s=1824/sam0201d/0201d.htm

although that approach has significant limitations...like not being able
to run sshd for remote administration.

IMO, it would be really cool to augment the security of write-protected
boot media with an integrity checking system. Possibly one that computes
file checksums and compares them to known good checksums.  Like Tripwire
or AIDE I guess, although I haven't used either of those tools yet.
Such a system would also make me feel more comfortable running compact
flash LEAF boxen without boot media write protection.

Computing checksums on low-end LEAF boxes might not be a great idea, so
I was thinking of an approach like this...

  1. Setup a central, well-protected management server that
 has ssh public-key access to the LEAF servers to be
 monitored.  The management server would have ssh, rsync
 and a tripwire(-like) package installed.  (Actually I
 already have this system setup minus tripwire/aide.)

  2. At regular intervals the management server would use
 rsync over ssh (with public key authentication) to update
 a local copy of the remote LEAF file system.[1]

  3. The tripwire(-like) tool would be run on the local copy of
 the remote image to compare file signatures to known
 good signatures in a database.  An administrator would
 be notified if signatures of important files had changed.

One of the weaknesses of the system would be that a skilled attacker
could replace sshd with a modified version that spits back archived
original copies of the checked files rather than the versions in
service.  If rsync is being used, it would probably be even easier to
deceive the management host.

Alright, enough of my rambling; just a few questions and then
I will wrap it up...

Is anyone here already doing something like this with LEAF?

Does anyone see flaws with the described approach that I
have overlooked?

Would anyone like to offer suggestions for improvements?


--Brad

[1] Using rsync would be optional.  A full copy could be
transferred if network bandwidth is more plentiful than
spare CPU cycles on the LEAF system.




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[leaf-user] Bering ipsec question

2002-08-25 Thread Abjin M H

Hi,

I am trying to configure ipsec. After making changes to the ipsec.conf and 
ipsec.secrets files I made a backup of ipsec
and ipsec509, but when I reboot the system both .conf and .secrets files go back to 
the default page and all the changes
I have made is gone. Backup works fine for all the modules except ipsec  ipsec509.
This is my lrpkg.cnf file
root:f,etc:f,local:f,modules:f,shorwall:f,ipsec:f,ipsec509:f,mawk,dhcpd:f,dnscache:f,weblet:f,tcpdump,libpcap,ifconfig

I have these entries in /var/lib/lrpkg/ipsec.local and /var/lib/lrpkg/ipsec509.local

I etc/ipsec*
I etc/ipsec.conf
I etc/ipsec.secrets

Thanks
Abjin


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Re: [leaf-user] Are there other Soekris like appliances to run LEAF on?

2002-08-25 Thread Vladimir I.

S Mohan wrote about RE: [leaf-user] Are there other Soekris like appliances to run 
LEAF on?:

 The one listed in bonatech looks exactly like the openbrick MS2300LLL
 costing $295 - gets 800Mhz CPU, 512MBRAM, 2 PCMCIA slots, CF slot. Good
 deal.

Sounds interesting. Where did you get this price from?

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(Fwd) Re: [leaf-user] Bering ipsec question

2002-08-25 Thread Eric Wolzak

And one for the list.

Hello ABjin
The problem you have is due to the way the packagesystem handles 
wich files are included. 
The files are backed up with the package that describes it the most 
precisely. 

1- If in one package list there is /etc/ppp
and in the second  /etc/ppp/options  then options is backed up in the 
second.
This is correct in your specification. 

2- if a file is listed in two different packages then it is NOT backed up.

the reason for this is that the package system functions so:
It creates a list of all files and deselect the files that are listed in 
another packages include list according to rule 1.
As your specifications are identical in both ipsec and ipsec509 they 
are not backed up ( gives small files ;) ) 

If you remove etc/ipsec* etc/ipsec.conf and etc/ipsec.secretes from 
one ot the two then everything will backup.
Now you get the package from cdrom.


 Hi,
 
 I am trying to configure ipsec. After making changes to the ipsec.conf and 
ipsec.secrets files I made a backup of ipsec
 and ipsec509, but when I reboot the system both .conf and .secrets files go back to 
the default page and all the changes
 I have made is gone. Backup works fine for all the modules except ipsec  ipsec509.
 This is my lrpkg.cnf file
 
root:f,etc:f,local:f,modules:f,shorwall:f,ipsec:f,ipsec509:f,mawk,dhcpd:f,dnscache:f,weblet:f,tcpdump,libpcap,ifconfig
 
 I have these entries in /var/lib/lrpkg/ipsec.local and /var/lib/lrpkg/ipsec509.local
 
 I etc/ipsec*
 I etc/ipsec.conf
 I etc/ipsec.secrets
 
 Thanks
 Abjin
Regards
Eric Wolzak
member of the bering crew

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RE: [leaf-user] Are there other Soekris like appliances to run LEAF on?

2002-08-25 Thread S Mohan

Got a quote from Nagasaki.

2100 which is 300mhz geode, 128mb ram, cf, 2 pcmcia.. $225.
2300L which is 800mhz geode, 512mb ram, cf, 2pcmcia, 1 lan is $250, 2
LAN $275 3 LAN $295.

Mohan

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Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 3:37 PM
To: S Mohan
Cc: 'LEAF'
Subject: Re: [leaf-user] Are there other Soekris like appliances to
run LEAF on?


S Mohan wrote about RE: [leaf-user] Are there other Soekris like
appliances to run LEAF on?:

 The one listed in bonatech looks exactly like the openbrick MS2300LLL
 costing $295 - gets 800Mhz CPU, 512MBRAM, 2 PCMCIA slots, CF slot.
 Good deal.

Sounds interesting. Where did you get this price from?

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[leaf-user] FW: ms2100

2002-08-25 Thread S Mohan



-Original Message-
From: Steve Chen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 4:48 PM
To: S Mohan
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: ms2100


Hi Hohan,

There are only two versions for you to choose from :
one is MS-2300 with single LAN,  the other one is : MS-2300LLL with 3
LANs.

The price is as follows :

MS-2300:  US$ 250
MS-2300LLL :  US$ 279
Linux OS  :  US$12 (Yes, it can be bootable from DOC / DOM)

DOM-32M  :  to be quoted later
DOM-64M :   to be quoted later
DOC-32M :  to be quoted later
DOC-64M :  to be quoted later

Steve




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From: S Mohan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'andy' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 5:57 PM
Subject: RE: ms2100


 Could you send me price details and delivery of M2300-LL and
 M2300-LLL. Please also confirm it can boot Linux off DoC/DoM. Could
 you give me the price of 32 and 64Mb DoC and DoM please?

 Mohan

 -Original Message-
 From: andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: 08 August, 2002 12:14 PM
 To: S Mohan
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: ms2100


 Hi S Mohan,

 Thank you very much for your interesting in our MS-2100 mini server ,
 I would like to reply are as follows: We have NS Geode GX1 300Mhz low
 power , fanless mini embedded board. We call it MS-2100 mini server. I

 would like to attach our detail spec for your reference.

 Our MS-2100 power consumption is only 1.2W (CPU processor only), if
 you plug a 128MB SO-DIMM memory the power consumption is under 1.5W !!

 So that is reason why we call it low power and it also do not need FAN

 !! Because it will not have a over heat problem.

 We test our CPU processor 0~60 C degree 72 hours that is no problem.
 If you need to know more about our NS Geode GX1 CPU processor please
 link to this website : MS-2100 is a very small (180x118x40mm) and
 light (about 500g) and completely silent open platform which can be
 used as a micro-server, as a router or as a think client. It contains
 a fanless 300 Mhz x86 compatible 300Mhz Geode processor and 128 MB
 SDRAM. Software can be installed on a Compact Flash or on an optionnal

 Hard Disk.

 What is MS-2100?
 MS-2100 is a very small (180x118x40mm) and light (about 900g) and
 completely silent open platform which can be used as a micro-server,
 as a router or as a think client. It contains a fanless 300 Mhz x86
 compatible 300Mhz Geode processor and 128 MB SDRAM. Software can be
 installed on a Compact Flash or on an optionnal Hard Disk.

 MS-2100 can be preconfigured with various options and flavours of open

 source / free software such as GNU/Linux and can be used in the
 following
 applications:

   a.. Fanless  Diskless Router/firewall/VPN with LEAF
   b.. Fanless  Diskless Thin Client with LTSP , VNC and RDesktop
   c.. Fanless Thin Web Server with Apache, PHP, Perl, Python
   d.. Fanless Thin Database Server with MySQL, PostgresSQL
   e.. Fanless Thin Network Attached Storage: share up 480 GB of files
 with Windows, MacOS and Linux computer thanks to Samba, Netatalk and
NFS
   f.. Fanless Thin Communication server: exchange email with Postfix
 and Courier
   g.. Fanless Thin Intranet: implement Content Management with Zope We

 also have Dual LAN mini server, the model no. is MS-2300. I would like

 to attach the data sheet for your reference.


 MS-2100 mini server include follow items:

 - MS-2100 mainboard x 1
 - NS Geode GX1 300Mhz CPU processor x 1
 - 64MB SODIMM memory x 1
 - PCMCIA socket x 1
 - Compact flash socket x 1
 - Case for MS-2100 mini server x 1
 - Power adapater for MS-2100 x 1

 The price is : US$ 225 per system.
 Delivery date : Within 3 days after receipt of your T/T.

 Regards

 Andy

 - Original Message -
 From: S Mohan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:13 PM
 Subject: ms2100


  I came across the ms2100 mini server. I need the following info.
 
  1. Do you have a distributor in India from whom I can get an eval or

  a

  demo piece? 2. What does this system cost?
  3. How do I get a second ethernet port on this system? If I need to
 use
  it as a router/ firewall, I need a second interface.
 
  Bye
  S Mohan, Vectra Systems and Solutions Pvt Ltd.,
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  visit us

  at www.vectrasystems.com http://www.vectrasystems.com/
 





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Re: [leaf-user] Are there other Soekris like appliances to run LEAF on?

2002-08-25 Thread Vladimir I.

S Mohan wrote about RE: [leaf-user] Are there other Soekris like appliances to run 
LEAF on?:

 Got a quote from Nagasaki.
 
 2100 which is 300mhz geode, 128mb ram, cf, 2 pcmcia.. $225.
 2300L which is 800mhz geode, 512mb ram, cf, 2pcmcia, 1 lan is $250, 2
 LAN $275 3 LAN $295.

Ah, so Nagasaki started to sell 800Mhz versions, they don't have
info about that on their website.

I have around 30 MS2100 over here, nice little boxes.

 Mohan
 
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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Vladimir I.
 Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 3:37 PM
 To: S Mohan
 Cc: 'LEAF'
 Subject: Re: [leaf-user] Are there other Soekris like appliances to
 run LEAF on?
 
 
 S Mohan wrote about RE: [leaf-user] Are there other Soekris like
 appliances to run LEAF on?:
 
  The one listed in bonatech looks exactly like the openbrick MS2300LLL
  costing $295 - gets 800Mhz CPU, 512MBRAM, 2 PCMCIA slots, CF slot.
  Good deal.
 
 Sounds interesting. Where did you get this price from?
 
 --
 Best Regards,
 Vladimir
 Systems Engineer (RHCE)
 
 
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[leaf-user] Are there other Soekris like appliances to run LEAF on?

2002-08-25 Thread Craig

Mohan said, SST has a DoM with a WP jumper. 

Who's SST and what's a DOM???


Craig




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Re: [leaf-user] Are there other Soekris like appliances to run LEAF on?

2002-08-25 Thread Brad Fritz


Mohan,

On Sun, 25 Aug 2002 17:41:29 +0530 S Mohan wrote:

 Got a quote from Nagasaki.
 
 2100 which is 300mhz geode, 128mb ram, cf, 2 pcmcia.. $225.
 2300L which is 800mhz geode, 512mb ram, cf, 2pcmcia, 1 lan is $250, 2
 LAN $275 3 LAN $295.

Do you know if the 2300L 3 NIC model (MS-2300LLL?) still has
the PCMCIA slots?

I wasn't find any specs for the 2300 series online at 
http://nagasaki.com.tw/ , http://openbrick.org/ or elsewhere.
Have you seen full specs?

--Brad



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Re: (Fwd) Re: [leaf-user] Bering ipsec question

2002-08-25 Thread Chad Carr

On Sun, 25 Aug 2002 13:03:46 +0200
Eric Wolzak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 2- if a file is listed in two different packages then it is NOT backed
 up.
 
 the reason for this is that the package system functions so:
 It creates a list of all files and deselect the files that are listed in
 another packages include list according to rule 1.
 As your specifications are identical in both ipsec and ipsec509 they 
 are not backed up ( gives small files ;) ) 
 
 If you remove etc/ipsec* etc/ipsec.conf and etc/ipsec.secretes from 
 one ot the two then everything will backup.
 Now you get the package from cdrom.

Yes.  Basically, your only problem is that you shouldn't load both. 
Unlike the Dachstein packages of the same name, each of the Bering
packages is stand alone.  You only need one.  (Perhaps we should have made
it consistent with Dachstein, but it is done this way nonetheless).

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Re: [leaf-user] Xircom PS-CE2-10 on Bering

2002-08-25 Thread Jacques Nilo

Le Vendredi 23 Août 2002 12:21 AM, Erich Titl a écrit :
Erich:
The pcmcia_xircom.lrp package is a reduced version of the pcmcia package.
The driver provided in the package should work OK with your card.
But you need to edit /etc/pcmcia/config.opts

In this file replace:

card Xircom CEM56 Ethernet/Modem
  version Xircom, *, CEM56
  bind xirc2ps_cs, serial_cs

By:

card Xircom IIps Ethernet
  version Xircom, *, PS-CE2-10
  bind xirc2ps_cs

And that should work

Jacques

 Hi folks

 OK here it is an old IBM Thinkpad with 32M and a Xircom PS-CE2-10 (which is
 probably as old as the Thinkpad. I loaded the Xircom pcmcia package from
 Jacques site and did a low fly by on the pcmcia docs. Here are the symptoms

 lsmod reports pcmcia_core i82365 and ds loaded
 syslog reports

 unsupported card in socket 1
 Aug 22 22:10:23 firewall kernel: cs: memory probe 0x0d-0x0d: clean.
 Aug 22 22:10:23 firewall cardmgr[26090]:   product info: Xircom,
 CreditCard 10Base-T, PS-CE2-10, 2.10
 Aug 22 22:10:23 firewall cardmgr[26090]:   manfid: 0x0105,
 0x010b  function: 6 (network)

 I edited /etc/pcmcia/config.opts

 #
 # Local PCMCIA Configuration File
 #
 # Xircom RealPort drivers
 #
 device xirc2ps_cs
class network module xirc2ps_cs
 device serial_cs
class serial module serial_cs

 card Xircom CEM56 Ethernet/Modem
version Xircom, *, CEM56
bind xirc2ps_cs, serial_cs

 card Xircom CreditCard 10Base-T
version Xircom, CreditCard 10Base-T, PS-CE2-10, 2.10
manfid 0x0105, 0x010b  function 6
bind xirc2ps_cs

 #
 # System resources available for PCMCIA devices
 #
 include port 0x100-0x4ff, port 0x800-0x8ff, port 0xc00-0xcff
 include memory 0xc-0xf, memory 0xa000-0xa0ff, memory
 0x6000-0x60ff
 #
 # Resources we should not use, even if they appear to be available
 #
 # First built-in serial port
 exclude irq 4
 # Second built-in serial port
 exclude irq 12
 # First built-in parallel port
 exclude irq 7

 What did I miss

 Thanks
 Erich

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Re: [leaf-user] Are there other Soekris like appliances to run LEAF on?

2002-08-25 Thread Homer Parker

On Sun, 25 Aug 2002 17:41:29 +0530 S Mohan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

Begin Quote:

 Got a quote from Nagasaki.
 
 2100 which is 300mhz geode, 128mb ram, cf, 2 pcmcia.. $225.
 2300L which is 800mhz geode, 512mb ram, cf, 2pcmcia, 1 lan is $250, 2
 LAN $275 3 LAN $295.

Wow! First quote I got from them was $420... Then a month or so later a
'special' price of $404... Than about a month and a half later, wondered
why I still hadn't ordered any... Told them they were too pricy for my
projects.. Sent me a dealer app and gave me my 'dealer' cost of $309.92
qty 1-19 $225 is a price that fits the projects better... Who did you
get your quote from, sounds like I go the wrong sales rep :( I've been
using micro-ATX cases and boards... Using the Shuttle MK20N lately... It
and a Duron smallest I can find, 128 megs, and a CF-IDE adapter..
Somewhere between an 8 and a 32 meg CF card... Usually comes in around
$200, but it's still a PC with a power supply fan... 

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[leaf-user] Who's SST and what's a DOM???

2002-08-25 Thread Craig

Mohan said in an earlier post, SST has a DoM with a WP jumper. 

Who's SST and what's a DOM???

Craig




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[leaf-user] Lib includes

2002-08-25 Thread Len Ovens


Hello, I am running EigerStein (2.2.16 kernel) which works fine as it 
is... however I need to add some things. I found a cipe.lrp but it is 
for a different kernel... so I recompiled for 2.2.16 the module loads 
fine now but the binaries I need crash... seems they are looking for 
the lib versions I have on my 2.4.* machine. I can link static but 
then things are too big. I tried to download everything I could tied 
to this but there are no includes besides the kernel includes. 

I could go get the libs in question directly, but am not sure that 
the lrp version has not been modified. 

Here is what I am doing:
I have a wireless AP that I wish to comunicate to an lrp box with a 
hub and some win boxes out the other end. The lrp box has to run the 
wlan stuff as well as cipe... the wireless encripting even 128 bit is 
pretty lame. I had to do the wireless stuff static to get it running, 
but it is 10 times the size it needs to be... I don't have room to do 
the same thing with cipe. If I had the *.h files for the two libs it 
needs I would be fine. 

The two libs I need includes for are ld-2.0.7.so and libc-2.0.7.so.

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[leaf-user] Bering: ifconfig needed for manual ipsec tunnels?

2002-08-25 Thread Tom Nisbet

I've just setup my first LEAF firewall and everything has gone smoothly

until IPsec.  When Freeswan starts, it prints the following:



ipsec_setup: Starting FreeS/WAN IPsec 1.98b...

ifconfig: not found

ipsec manual: fatal error in tunnel1: no IPsec-enabled interfaces found



I'm not sure if this means that ifconfig itself wan't found or if ifconfig

couldn't find something.  The Shorewall doc says that ifconfig isn't

needed, but it doesn't give any examples of manual tunnels.



Does anyone have any ideas?



The LEAF/Bering package is a great peice of work.  This definitely beats

way I did it last time: install Redhat, install FreeS/WAN, build a kernal...

With LEAF, the basic firewall was up and running within an hour of

downloading the package.



Thanks in advance for any suggestions,

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Re: [leaf-user] Bering: ifconfig needed for manual ipsec tunnels?

2002-08-25 Thread Jacques Nilo

Le Dimanche 25 Août 2002 22:35, vous avez écrit :
 I've just setup my first LEAF firewall and everything has gone smoothly

 until IPsec.  When Freeswan starts, it prints the following:



 ipsec_setup: Starting FreeS/WAN IPsec 1.98b...

 ifconfig: not found

 ipsec manual: fatal error in tunnel1: no IPsec-enabled interfaces found

If you really need manual IPSEC then download the ifconfig.lrp package from 
Charles site.
Or in the /lib/ipsec directory the following statement  of the manual script 
should be converted with its ip command equivalent. (ifconfig by default is 
not available in Bering)

snip
case $interfs in
'') interfs=`ifconfig |
awk '   /^ipsec/ { interf = $1 ; next }
/^[^ \t]/ { interf =  ; next }
/^[ \t]*inet addr/ {
sub(/:/,  , $0)
if (interf != )
print $3 @ interf
 }' | tr '\n' ' '`
;;
esac
snip
Chad: something to fix for the next release ?

Jacques


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Re: [leaf-user] Who's SST and what's a DOM???

2002-08-25 Thread Brad Fritz


On Sun, 25 Aug 2002 12:29:50 MST you wrote:

 Mohan said in an earlier post, SST has a DoM with a WP jumper. 
 
 Who's SST and what's a DOM???

SST:  Silicon Storage Technology:  http://www.sst.com/
DoM:  Disk on Module:  e.g. http://www.nagasaki.com.tw/DOM.htm

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Re: [leaf-user] Are there other Soekris like appliances to run LEAF on?

2002-08-25 Thread Brad Fritz


On Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:35:18 MST Craig wrote:

 Are there other svelte looking devices that LEAF can be installed on
 like these Soekris type devices (http://www.soekris.com/)?

Since no one has mentioned it yet, the web links section of the
LEAF site ( http://leaf.sourceforge.net/links.php?menu=2 ) has
a Single Board Computers category in the Hardware section:
http://leaf.sourceforge.net/links.php?op=viewslinksid=2

There are a few SBCs there that have not been mentioned in this
thread (yet).

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Re: [leaf-user] Bering: ifconfig needed for manual ipsec tunnels?

2002-08-25 Thread Chad Carr

On Sun, 25 Aug 2002 23:17:23 +0200
Jacques Nilo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 case $interfs in
 '') interfs=`ifconfig |
 awk '   /^ipsec/ { interf = $1 ; next }
 /^[^ \t]/ { interf =  ; next }
 /^[ \t]*inet addr/ {
 sub(/:/,  , $0)
 if (interf != )
 print $3 @ interf
  }' | tr '\n' ' '`
 ;;
 esac
 snip
 Chad: something to fix for the next release ?

Oops.  Will do.


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RE: [leaf-user] [long] boot media write protection and change detection (was: Are there other Soekris...)

2002-08-25 Thread S Mohan

Is it possible to segregate the area that requires write permissions as
one ramdisk partition, mount is as rw and mount the other portion as ro?
If I'm not wrong, /dev requires rw. Why not declare as a separate
partion in linuxrc when generating /dev directory? Locate mount and df
in directories that are not in the path so that the hacker cannot get to
it easily. In lrcfg, during backup, mount the device as rw, backup and
then mount it back as ro.

I'm not very dexterous with linux boot sequence. If my idea makes sense,
can this be incorporated by someone more skilled please?

Mohan

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Subject: [leaf-user] [long] boot media write protection and change
detection (was: Are there other Soekris...)



On Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:35:18 MST Craig wrote:

 Are there other svelte looking devices that LEAF can be installed on

 like these Soekris type devices

 [snip]

 Are these devices really secure in the sense
 that they're somehow read only like a write protected floppy or CD-R?


Probably obvious to everyone here, but with all the emphasis
on write-protected boot media lately, it might be worth mentioning that
hardware write-protected boot media is only good if you detect when
unauthorized changes are made to the
(writable) ramdisk.  It's not much good to have a clean boot image if
you don't know to reboot and restore it.

One approach to increasing protection afforded by the write- protected
boot media would be to run the firewall in a nearly halted state as
described in SysAdmin at

  http://www.samag.com/documents/s=1824/sam0201d/0201d.htm

although that approach has significant limitations...like not being able
to run sshd for remote administration.

IMO, it would be really cool to augment the security of write-protected
boot media with an integrity checking system. Possibly one that computes
file checksums and compares them to known good checksums.  Like Tripwire
or AIDE I guess, although I haven't used either of those tools yet.
Such a system would also make me feel more comfortable running compact
flash LEAF boxen without boot media write protection.

Computing checksums on low-end LEAF boxes might not be a great idea, so
I was thinking of an approach like this...

  1. Setup a central, well-protected management server that
 has ssh public-key access to the LEAF servers to be
 monitored.  The management server would have ssh, rsync
 and a tripwire(-like) package installed.  (Actually I
 already have this system setup minus tripwire/aide.)

  2. At regular intervals the management server would use
 rsync over ssh (with public key authentication) to update
 a local copy of the remote LEAF file system.[1]

  3. The tripwire(-like) tool would be run on the local copy of
 the remote image to compare file signatures to known
 good signatures in a database.  An administrator would
 be notified if signatures of important files had changed.

One of the weaknesses of the system would be that a skilled attacker
could replace sshd with a modified version that spits back archived
original copies of the checked files rather than the versions in
service.  If rsync is being used, it would probably be even easier to
deceive the management host.

Alright, enough of my rambling; just a few questions and then
I will wrap it up...

Is anyone here already doing something like this with LEAF?

Does anyone see flaws with the described approach that I
have overlooked?

Would anyone like to offer suggestions for improvements?


--Brad

[1] Using rsync would be optional.  A full copy could be
transferred if network bandwidth is more plentiful than
spare CPU cycles on the LEAF system.




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[leaf-user] Std packages.

2002-08-25 Thread S Mohan

I'm looking at putting to gether a single set of Bering for routing,
firewall, DNS, VPN, bandwidth management, network monitoring etc. The
list of packages I have in mind are:

Base bering rc3.
Sshd.lrp (jnilo's pkg).
Ipsec.lrp.
Ipsec509.lrp.
Shorwall.lrp(1.3.5 released).
Iptraf.lrp
Lcdproc.lrp (for lcd display)
Tc.lrp and all net-sched modules.
Htbinit.lrp
Tinydns.lrp
Net-snmp.lrp
Mrtg.lrp.

I've not played around with weblet but I feel if lrcfg can be made
available as a weblet application, it would be neat. Is it already
there? Another area would be web based reporting with rrdtool/mrtg.

Has anyone worked on such a combination or near about what I'm
discussing? If so, I'd like to benefit from those experiences.

Mohan




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Re: [leaf-user] [long] boot media write protection and change detection (was: Are there other Soekris...)

2002-08-25 Thread Vladimir I.

Just FYI, WISP-Dist uses CramFS for binaries, so they are 
read-only. However, a knowledgeable hacker would still be able to 
find the location of the parent MS-DOS partition and tamper it, 
however it is a very tricky task if you want to be unnoticed.

S Mohan wrote about RE: [leaf-user] [long] boot media write protection and change 
detection (was: Are there other Soekris...):

 Is it possible to segregate the area that requires write permissions as
 one ramdisk partition, mount is as rw and mount the other portion as ro?
 If I'm not wrong, /dev requires rw. Why not declare as a separate
 partion in linuxrc when generating /dev directory? Locate mount and df
 in directories that are not in the path so that the hacker cannot get to
 it easily. In lrcfg, during backup, mount the device as rw, backup and
 then mount it back as ro.
 
 I'm not very dexterous with linux boot sequence. If my idea makes sense,
 can this be incorporated by someone more skilled please?
 
 Mohan
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Brad Fritz
 Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 9:41 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [leaf-user] [long] boot media write protection and change
 detection (was: Are there other Soekris...)
 
 
 
 On Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:35:18 MST Craig wrote:
 
  Are there other svelte looking devices that LEAF can be installed on
 
  like these Soekris type devices
 
  [snip]
 
  Are these devices really secure in the sense
  that they're somehow read only like a write protected floppy or CD-R?
 
 
 Probably obvious to everyone here, but with all the emphasis
 on write-protected boot media lately, it might be worth mentioning that
 hardware write-protected boot media is only good if you detect when
 unauthorized changes are made to the
 (writable) ramdisk.  It's not much good to have a clean boot image if
 you don't know to reboot and restore it.
 
 One approach to increasing protection afforded by the write- protected
 boot media would be to run the firewall in a nearly halted state as
 described in SysAdmin at
 
   http://www.samag.com/documents/s=1824/sam0201d/0201d.htm
 
 although that approach has significant limitations...like not being able
 to run sshd for remote administration.
 
 IMO, it would be really cool to augment the security of write-protected
 boot media with an integrity checking system. Possibly one that computes
 file checksums and compares them to known good checksums.  Like Tripwire
 or AIDE I guess, although I haven't used either of those tools yet.
 Such a system would also make me feel more comfortable running compact
 flash LEAF boxen without boot media write protection.
 
 Computing checksums on low-end LEAF boxes might not be a great idea, so
 I was thinking of an approach like this...
 
   1. Setup a central, well-protected management server that
  has ssh public-key access to the LEAF servers to be
  monitored.  The management server would have ssh, rsync
  and a tripwire(-like) package installed.  (Actually I
  already have this system setup minus tripwire/aide.)
 
   2. At regular intervals the management server would use
  rsync over ssh (with public key authentication) to update
  a local copy of the remote LEAF file system.[1]
 
   3. The tripwire(-like) tool would be run on the local copy of
  the remote image to compare file signatures to known
  good signatures in a database.  An administrator would
  be notified if signatures of important files had changed.
 
 One of the weaknesses of the system would be that a skilled attacker
 could replace sshd with a modified version that spits back archived
 original copies of the checked files rather than the versions in
 service.  If rsync is being used, it would probably be even easier to
 deceive the management host.
 
 Alright, enough of my rambling; just a few questions and then
 I will wrap it up...
 
 Is anyone here already doing something like this with LEAF?
 
 Does anyone see flaws with the described approach that I
 have overlooked?
 
 Would anyone like to offer suggestions for improvements?
 
 
 --Brad
 
 [1] Using rsync would be optional.  A full copy could be
 transferred if network bandwidth is more plentiful than
 spare CPU cycles on the LEAF system.
 
 
 
 
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RE: [leaf-user] Are there other Soekris like appliances to run LEAF on?

2002-08-25 Thread S Mohan

Thre three Ls in the model stand for a lan interface each. Shall try and
mail the full spec across your email id alone. The file is large and
mailing list members will fry me for it. Other who are interested can
let me know and I'll mail the specsheet across.

Mohan

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Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 9:16 PM
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run LEAF on?



Mohan,

On Sun, 25 Aug 2002 17:41:29 +0530 S Mohan wrote:

 Got a quote from Nagasaki.

 2100 which is 300mhz geode, 128mb ram, cf, 2 pcmcia.. $225. 2300L
 which is 800mhz geode, 512mb ram, cf, 2pcmcia, 1 lan is $250, 2 LAN
 $275 3 LAN $295.

Do you know if the 2300L 3 NIC model (MS-2300LLL?) still has the PCMCIA
slots?

I wasn't find any specs for the 2300 series online at
http://nagasaki.com.tw/ , http://openbrick.org/ or elsewhere. Have you
seen full specs?

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RE: [leaf-user] Are there other Soekris like appliances to run LEAF on?

2002-08-25 Thread S Mohan

Does anyone have price comparisons of a std 3 LAN 64/128MB with 16MB CF
for all these guys? Looks like it not easy to get a comprehensive
pricing easily.

Mohan

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Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 3:39 AM
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run LEAF on?



On Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:35:18 MST Craig wrote:

 Are there other svelte looking devices that LEAF can be installed on

 like these Soekris type devices (http://www.soekris.com/)?

Since no one has mentioned it yet, the web links section of the LEAF
site ( http://leaf.sourceforge.net/links.php?menu=2 ) has a Single
Board Computers category in the Hardware section:
http://leaf.sourceforge.net/links.php?op=viewslinksid=2

There are a few SBCs there that have not been mentioned in this thread
(yet).

--Brad



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RE: [leaf-user] Are there other Soekris like appliances to run LEAF on?

2002-08-25 Thread S Mohan


It has 2 PCMCIA slots and 3 LAN ports.

Mohan
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Mohan,

On Sun, 25 Aug 2002 17:41:29 +0530 S Mohan wrote:

 Got a quote from Nagasaki.
 
 2100 which is 300mhz geode, 128mb ram, cf, 2 pcmcia.. $225.
 2300L which is 800mhz geode, 512mb ram, cf, 2pcmcia, 1 lan is $250, 2
 LAN $275 3 LAN $295.

Do you know if the 2300L 3 NIC model (MS-2300LLL?) still has
the PCMCIA slots?

I wasn't find any specs for the 2300 series online at 
http://nagasaki.com.tw/ , http://openbrick.org/ or elsewhere.
Have you seen full specs?

--Brad



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Re: [leaf-user] Question regarding Glibc

2002-08-25 Thread Jeff Newmiller

On Sat, 24 Aug 2002, Tony wrote:

 Good Evening,
 
 Correct me if I'm wrong, but Dasch is compiled against glibc 2.0 correct?
 And Bearing is against glibc 2.1?

Bering... not little balls, but a narrow geographical configuration
(route).

 I am not a developer, so here is a stupid question.

Not stupid, but dealing with libraries is described in the FAQs.

  If I compile snort
 against glibc 2.2.5, is there a switch I can add or something for backward
 compatibility for 2.1 or 2.0?  It seems kinda strange that there isn't a way
 to add backward compatibility for software compiled on newer libs for
 running on older lib systems.

Strange... yes. But true.

 Kinda like a lobotomy for the libs.

It isn't the libs fault, but the compiler's.

You need a compiler that is compiled to expect the older libs.  In my
opinion this is way more difficult than it should be, but the path of
least resistance is to keep an older compilation environment around... an
old box, or an emulation environment like User Mode Linux (UML) or VMWare.

 I have been searching google for this, but seem to find non relevant threads
 and actual lib files.

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[leaf-user] Re: Nagasaki MS-2300LLL

2002-08-25 Thread Brad Fritz


On Sun, 25 Aug 2002 17:41:29 +0530 S Mohan wrote:

 Got a quote from Nagasaki.
 
 2100 which is 300mhz geode, 128mb ram, cf, 2 pcmcia.. $225.
 2300L which is 800mhz geode, 512mb ram, cf, 2pcmcia, 1 lan is $250, 2
 LAN $275 3 LAN $295.

I replied by asking:

 Do you know if the 2300L 3 NIC model (MS-2300LLL?) still has
 the PCMCIA slots?


On Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:52:12 +0530 Mohan wrote:

 It has 2 PCMCIA slots and 3 LAN ports.

Sounds like the MS-2300LLL would be a great platform for a small
office VPN-enabled router with net, dmz, lan, and wlan zones.

--Brad



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RE: [leaf-user] Are there other Soekris like appliances to run LEAF on?

2002-08-25 Thread S Mohan

I went thro' the specsheet. I was wrong about the pcmcia slots. 

Brad - I'm sorry for my mistake and my apologies to others in the list too.

Mohan



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