Re: [LU] Bournemouth

[Robert Heath]

Dave.

NEVER apologise for one of your match reports being too long!

Sorry about your pain though.

This sounds a lot more positive than the bloody jinxmeisters on the radio
made it sound, I must say.

I know I am a thousand miles away and hardly qualified to judge, but it did
seem to me that the game was crying out for a double sub at ht of Diouf for
the hapless Hunt, and Byram for Peltier. If the FBs were getting all that
space, surely Byram would have been a more creative option than Peltier?

I'm starting to worry about Mcdermott.

As I predictedget ready for the NME on sat. Last night, the
Brolly Wally went into the dressing room at ht for his first
teamtalk.result: The Prams came back from 1-4 to grab a draw. I
seem to remember Warnock doing the same thing just after he was appointed,
although we came back from 0-1 to win 2-1 I think.

P.S. Anybody know why Cairns has replaced Ashdown on the bench for the last
few games?


On 2 October 2013 06:31, nat...@sky.com  wrote:

> Well we had enough chances to win three games tonight and should all be
> back home celebrating a 4 or 5 goal victory - instead we spent the last few
> minutes of the game hanging on, groaned when the ref added 5 minutes (and
> panicked a bit) and then heaved a huge sigh of relief at the final whistle.
> So what went wrong ? Well nothing really in some ways , every player bar
> maybe Hunt had a good game and we scored 2 good goals but we just cannot
> find the net often enough. Would Becchio have made a difference - who knows
>
> McDermott had the bravery to drop both his 'big money signings' Murphy and
> Wootton and to keep faith with Mowatt and recall Green and allow McCormack
> to play up front with the recalled Hunt , and it largely worked. I was very
> impressed with Mowatt on my first proper look at him and the energy he,
> Austin and Green supplied in midfield allowed Tonge to stroll around and
> largely control the game.
> We looked decent from the start and missed two sitters as the ball fell to
> McCormack in the 6yd box but his poor attempt was straight at the keeper
> and the rebound fell kindly to Austin who must surely score - but no, his
> even worse attempt was shot straight at McCormack who was now yards
> offside. Hunt also had a header wide as we started brightly enough. Then on
> 30mins Hunt was put clean through and rounded the keeper and was brought
> down - nailed on penalty and since the ref (unlike myself) thought that
> Hunt would have scored a red card too. Bournemouth avoided a double
> punishment when Ross's shot low and in the corner but a bit soft was well
> saved. We continued to press and had a two minute spell of pinball in their
> six yard box and area which actually brought smiles to our faces so
> ridiculous was it that the ball never ended in their net. At the other end
> Bournemouth offered next to nothing and so we all thought it was just a
> question of time and
>  that a 3 goal win was imminent. Second half we did most things right -
> Warnock (my man of the match) rampaged forward down the left wing and
> Peltier got forward on the other flank as we did what teams are supposed to
> do against 10men - spray it around, keep the ball and get some width.
> Despite that we just could not get either the final ball or the final
> attempt on goal correct. Rudy even had a long range shot on target but it
> was a weak one not his usual thunderbolt. Then the breakthrough - a cross
> by Warnock was swept it at close range by Ross. This is it now we thought,
> floodgates open. Instead we continued to miss chances or make the most of
> opportunities. Despite them being mostly toothless and content to sit back
> we suddenly stopped playing and there was a feeling of inevitability when
> they scored. Rudy made a really stupid tackle on the half way line when
> their player was going nowhere and Rudy just ploughed into the back of him
> , a daft
>  challenge and a stupid booking. We just stood around as the player got
> treatment and were half asleep as Ian Harte (who else) hit the free kick
> into the box and they won 2 headers and then it fell to a another one of
> theirs who poked it home. Similar to QPR, Sheff Wed and Reading goals this
> season(If I remember them correctly)
> Whilst this was going on we took off Hunt - I am not at all convinced by
> him - and brought on Poleon and the game continued in much the same
> fashion. Then we had a corner and McDermott was about to bring on Smith and
> Diouff as a last throw of the dice, they were not to be needed and both sat
> down again as the ball came to Warnock whose cross was met by Pearce who
> headed it back across the box and Poleon waited for it to bounce at the
> right height and volleyed it in with great power - a really well taken goal.
> This still did not kill off a by now stubborn Bournemouth and a Harte
> corner right under the bar caused us problems and then Kenny was forced
> into making a great diving 'photogr

[LU] Bournemouth

[nat...@sky.com]

Well we had enough chances to win three games tonight and should all be back 
home celebrating a 4 or 5 goal victory - instead we spent the last few minutes 
of the game hanging on, groaned when the ref added 5 minutes (and panicked a 
bit) and then heaved a huge sigh of relief at the final whistle.
So what went wrong ? Well nothing really in some ways , every player bar maybe 
Hunt had a good game and we scored 2 good goals but we just cannot find the net 
often enough. Would Becchio have made a difference - who knows

McDermott had the bravery to drop both his 'big money signings' Murphy and 
Wootton and to keep faith with Mowatt and recall Green and allow McCormack to 
play up front with the recalled Hunt , and it largely worked. I was very 
impressed with Mowatt on my first proper look at him and the energy he, Austin 
and Green supplied in midfield allowed Tonge to stroll around and largely 
control the game. 
We looked decent from the start and missed two sitters as the ball fell to 
McCormack in the 6yd box but his poor attempt was straight at the keeper and 
the rebound fell kindly to Austin who must surely score - but no, his even 
worse attempt was shot straight at McCormack who was now yards offside. Hunt 
also had a header wide as we started brightly enough. Then on 30mins Hunt was 
put clean through and rounded the keeper and was brought down - nailed on 
penalty and since the ref (unlike myself) thought that Hunt would have scored a 
red card too. Bournemouth avoided a double punishment when Ross's shot low and 
in the corner but a bit soft was well saved. We continued to press and had a 
two minute spell of pinball in their six yard box and area which actually 
brought smiles to our faces so ridiculous was it that the ball never ended in 
their net. At the other end Bournemouth offered next to nothing and so we all 
thought it was just a question of time and
 that a 3 goal win was imminent. Second half we did most things right - Warnock 
(my man of the match) rampaged forward down the left wing and Peltier got 
forward on the other flank as we did what teams are supposed to do against 
10men - spray it around, keep the ball and get some width. Despite that we just 
could not get either the final ball or the final attempt on goal correct. Rudy 
even had a long range shot on target but it was a weak one not his usual 
thunderbolt. Then the breakthrough - a cross by Warnock was swept it at close 
range by Ross. This is it now we thought, floodgates open. Instead we continued 
to miss chances or make the most of opportunities. Despite them being mostly 
toothless and content to sit back we suddenly stopped playing and there was a 
feeling of inevitability when they scored. Rudy made a really stupid tackle on 
the half way line when their player was going nowhere and Rudy just ploughed 
into the back of him , a daft
 challenge and a stupid booking. We just stood around as the player got 
treatment and were half asleep as Ian Harte (who else) hit the free kick into 
the box and they won 2 headers and then it fell to a another one of theirs who 
poked it home. Similar to QPR, Sheff Wed and Reading goals this season(If I 
remember them correctly)
Whilst this was going on we took off Hunt - I am not at all convinced by him - 
and brought on Poleon and the game continued in much the same fashion. Then we 
had a corner and McDermott was about to bring on Smith and Diouff as a last 
throw of the dice, they were not to be needed and both sat down again as the 
ball came to Warnock whose cross was met by Pearce who headed it back across 
the box and Poleon waited for it to bounce at the right height and volleyed it 
in with great power - a really well taken goal.
This still did not kill off a by now stubborn Bournemouth and a Harte corner 
right under the bar caused us problems and then Kenny was forced into making a 
great diving 'photograph' save to his left.
I am not sure what Poleon has done wrong (his push at Watford perhaps?) but 
referees do not seem to like him.He gets no decisions his way as he is kicked 
pulled and generally fouled. Last night he was running alongside their forward 
, there was minimal contact and Poleon had been matching him stride for stride 
and yet, to everyones surprise the ref gave a foul and even more bizzarely gave 
him an undeserved yellow !

So a welcome return to winning ways but no where near as convincing as it 
should have been. Warnock man of the match, followed by Mowatt and Tonge, 
Mowatt does look to have it all. Lees and Pearce did well apart from the goal 
(that is our other major flaw, apart from goal scoring) that one lapse of 
concentration that costs us.  Ross missed a few including the pen but did score 
again when played as a striker (a lesson there)

One final point, at a time when we are complaining about chants against us (and 
I know a few of you disagree with me on that one) we totally blow it by 
starting (adopting it from City rather than making 

Re: [LU] 1 - 0 thank fook

[Sutton / Smail]

I care.
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  To: Sutton Smail ; rhe...@asd.edu.qa 
  Cc: Leeds List (Post to list) 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 8:57 PM
  Subject: RE: [LU] 1 - 0 thank fook


  maybe macca.. maybe Warnock who knows who cares
   


   
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Re: [LU] 2 - 1

[Andy Pyzer]

poleon thank fook so far
 
> From: rhe...@asd.edu.qa
> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 23:19:48 +0300
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: [LU] They,ve jinxed us again.
> 
> Sure enough..they,re prattling on about "this win" etc
> etc.and they equaliser.
> 
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[LU] They,ve jinxed us again.

[Robert Heath]

Sure enough..they,re prattling on about "this win" etc
etc.and they equaliser.

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Re: [LU] 1 - 1

[Andy Pyzer]

against 10 men FML.
 
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> From: m...@leeds-united.net
> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 19:58:03 +
> Subject: Re: [LU] Damn
> 
> Not working tonight! They are 4-1 down at home at HT. Protest against Clough 
> sacking? 
> 
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> Subject: [LU] Damn
> 
> We really had better get some points toneet because we'll be up against a
> double whammy on sat'dyour superbogey team strengthened by
> the New Manager Effect.
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Re: [LU] Damn

[matt]

Not working tonight! They are 4-1 down at home at HT. Protest against Clough 
sacking? 

Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

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Subject: [LU] Damn

We really had better get some points toneet because we'll be up against a
double whammy on sat'dyour superbogey team strengthened by
the New Manager Effect.
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Re: [LU] Damn

[Robert Heath]

Yeah but the Brolly Wally is not officially in charge yet.

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> On Oct 1, 2013, at 10:58 PM, "m...@leeds-united.net"  
> wrote:
>
> Not working tonight! They are 4-1 down at home at HT. Protest against Clough 
> sacking?
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Heath 
> Sender: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org
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> To: leedslist
> Subject: [LU] Damn
>
> We really had better get some points toneet because we'll be up against a
> double whammy on sat'dyour superbogey team strengthened by
> the New Manager Effect.
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Re: [LU] 1 - 0 thank fook

[Andy Pyzer]

maybe macca.. maybe Warnock who knows who cares
 

  
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[LU] Please.........BMac

[Sutton / Smail]

We'll be lucky to escape with a 0-0 here. I'm veering towards 0-1
Where's Lucciano when you need him? Ha!
For all our approval of BMD, how long / far will our eminent board be 
willing to go as we tumble down the league in tatters. Quite some way I 
hope.

Clough's free!

Dave


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Re: [LU] Link

[Robert Heath]

I swear kit,s all down to that twat on the radio. He,s saying stuff
like "McCormack has a chance to put Leeds ahead here with his 5th goal
of the season," Talk about jinxing. He did the same thing the other
night at Reading.

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> On Oct 1, 2013, at 10:21 PM, Nicholas Armit  wrote:
>
> And of course the wanker McCormack missed.
>
>
> 
> From: Nicholas Armit 
> To: Andy Pyzer ; Nigel ; Leeds 
> List 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 3:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [LU] Link
>
>
> As I said that penalty for Leeds and their goalie sent off.
>
>
> 
> From: Andy Pyzer 
> To: Nigel ; Leeds List 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 3:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [LU] Link
>
>
> http://www.ustream.tv/search?q=leeds%20united is working for me fella
>
>> From: freofra...@gmail.com
>> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 02:57:44 +0800
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>> Subject: [LU] Link
>>
>> Any one got a link to the game?
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[LU] Please.........BMac

[Robert Heath]

bring on Diouf at ht.

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Re: [LU] Link

[seanscribe]

Thank goodness we've got Noel "goal machine" Hunt in the lineup instead of 
Becchio. Who needs a reliable penalty taker?

 

 

 

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From: Nicholas Armit 
To: Nicholas Armit ; Andy Pyzer ; 
Nigel ; Leeds List 
Sent: Tue, Oct 1, 2013 3:21 pm
Subject: Re: [LU] Link


And of course the wanker McCormack missed.



 From: Nicholas Armit 
To: Andy Pyzer ; Nigel ; Leeds 
List 
 
Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [LU] Link
 

As I said that penalty for Leeds and their goalie sent off.



From: Andy Pyzer 
To: Nigel ; Leeds List  
Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [LU] Link


http://www.ustream.tv/search?q=leeds%20united is working for me fella

> From: freofra...@gmail.com
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Re: [LU] Link

[Chris Briggs]

Is Becchio still available? :o}

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> And of course the wanker McCormack missed.
> 
> 
> 
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> List  
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> 
> 
> As I said that penalty for Leeds and their goalie sent off.
> 
> 
> 
> From: Andy Pyzer 
> To: Nigel ; Leeds List  
> Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 3:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [LU] Link
> 
> 
> http://www.ustream.tv/search?q=leeds%20united is working for me fella
> 
>> From: freofra...@gmail.com
>> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 02:57:44 +0800
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Re: [LU] 0 -0

[Andy Pyzer]

missed pen.. ffs down to 10 them.. come on ffs Leeds
 

  
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Re: [LU] Link

[Nicholas Armit]

And of course the wanker McCormack missed.



 From: Nicholas Armit 
To: Andy Pyzer ; Nigel ; Leeds 
List  
Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [LU] Link
 

As I said that penalty for Leeds and their goalie sent off.



From: Andy Pyzer 
To: Nigel ; Leeds List  
Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 3:13 PM
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http://www.ustream.tv/search?q=leeds%20united is working for me fella

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Re: [LU] Link

[Nicholas Armit]

As I said that penalty for Leeds and their goalie sent off.



 From: Andy Pyzer 
To: Nigel ; Leeds List  
Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [LU] Link
 

http://www.ustream.tv/search?q=leeds%20united is working for me fella

> From: freofra...@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 02:57:44 +0800
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Re: [LU] Link

[Andy Pyzer]

http://www.ustream.tv/search?q=leeds%20united is working for me fella
 
> From: freofra...@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 02:57:44 +0800
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: [LU] Link
> 
> Any one got a link to the game?
> 
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[LU] Link

[Nigel]

Any one got a link to the game?

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[LU] team

[Richard Naef]

. 01 Kenny

. 15 Warnock

. 02 Peltier

. 05 Pearce

. 04 Lees

. 07 Green

. 18 Tonge

. 36 Mowatt

. 08 Austin

. 10 Hunt

. 44 McCormack

 

 

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Re: [LU] Luciano!

[Richard Naef]

 

>Wotdrop Mowatt, our only decent player at Millwall?

 

he started well, but he's still a young lad and we've got to win.  I'd like
to give Poleon a run but experience counts

 

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[LU] Damn

[Robert Heath]

We really had better get some points toneet because we'll be up against a
double whammy on sat'dyour superbogey team strengthened by
the New Manager Effect.
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Re: [LU] Luciano!

[Jim Moran]

Sounds good to me.


On 1 October 2013 16:29, Richard Naef wrote:

> Well he's not back for tonights match whatever happens and it’s a must
> win, how about playing mccormack up front with Diouf in support.  Murphy
> Austin, Green and Tonge in midfield, Byram Warnock Wootan and Pearce
> defence and Paddy in goal?
>
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Re: [LU] Luciano!

[Richard Naef]

Well he's not back for tonights match whatever happens and it’s a must win, how 
about playing mccormack up front with Diouf in support.  Murphy Austin, Green 
and Tonge in midfield, Byram Warnock Wootan and Pearce defence and Paddy in 
goal?


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Re: [LU] Luciano!

[Matt Anderson]

Agreed spot on, becchio wasn't the reason we have been shit for 10 years and 
there is no overnight fix from a man that sold everything and invested nothing 
and a manager who called Thorpe arch a cancer

Problem is becchio was sold for something like £2m worth of new striker who is 
busy scoring for some other team so we gave away his goals for nothing

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On 1 Oct 2013, at 11:42, Paul Cundell  wrote:

> Is that strictly true? Or is it a touch of selective memory?
> Isn't it more the case that we never looked like getting near promotion to
> the
> Premier League with Becchio under Warnock and Bates?
> As I recall we got close under Grayson until Bates sold the midfield from
> under him.
> However, before Rich W has an eppy, you could say that with the service
> from that midfield anyone could score goals.
> Let's be fair, the Howson, Snodgrass, Clayton, Gradel midfield would not be
> out of place in most lower premiership sides.
> The fact that BMc can't rebuild that quality of line up over the summer
> isn't exactly surprising.
> We've been allowed to degrade into a lower championship squad and it's a
> long way back.
> Not sure quick loan fixes like Becchio or Beckford are the answer either.
> Cheers
> Paul
> 
> 
> On 1 October 2013 11:28, Jim Moran  wrote:
> 
>> We were a poor team that never looked like getting near promotion to the
>> Premier League with Becchio.
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Re: [LU] Luciano!

[Matt Anderson]

Think you will be ok a you haven't started a massive personal attack on anyone!!

I have been thinking about this. How can we possibly fail with a bid for 
Becchio on loan? He is rotting in the reserves pretty much any offer will do I 
would have thought unless it was deliberately low. 

50% of fans loved Becchio, we aren't scoring gfh feel good factor is wilting, 
haigh likes the supportive tweets, 

How about a bid doomed to failure to keep a lot of fans happy that we trying to 
address problem with a hero returning. 

Upside is if we got him he is an option and murphy can be given time to grow 
into team without being this year's hate figure. 

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On 1 Oct 2013, at 12:47, Robert Heath  wrote:

> I don't blame Becchio entirely for our poor record when he played.
> 
> Not entirely.
> 
> BUT, as Sir Richard Walker has so frequently pointed out , indeed to the
> point of tedium, we will never play the freeflowing, passing game which we
> all crave (or do we?) with Becchio in the team.
> 
> (Getting nervous now because I am daring to contradict some
> one...I hope I am doing it in an adult way so Boocock isn't
> going to ban me.)
> 
> 
> On 1 October 2013 13:07, Richard Naef wrote:
> 
>> c'mon Rob, surely you can't blame our win/loss just on Becchio?  He did
>> what
>> he was paid to do - score goals - at our level lge 1 & championship - I
>> think that is what you should expect from a player. He mispassed, fell
>> over,
>> moaned, but he rarely missed when given an opportunity.  He scored those
>> goals under several different managers under different playing formations
>> with different partners.  I remember that lazy fat tax avoiding bastard
>> yeboah, but fuck did he score some belters and I'd give your right hand to
>> have him back (in his 90's guise obviously)
>> 
>> ttfn
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
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>> -Original Message-
>> From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Robert Heath
>> Sent: 01 October 2013 10:54
>> To: Sutton / Smail
>> Cc: Leeds List (Post to list)
>> Subject: Re: [LU] Luciano!
>> 
>> This is the 21st Century. The modern striker (alright not that modern, it's
>> been like this since at least the days of Allan Clarke) must do so much
>> more
>> than score goals. Becchio has one huge and pivotal
>> weaknessdreadful ball control. This means that 95% of the time
>> when the ball is played up to him, we lose possession. No decent team can
>> play with a striker who cannot hold the ball up.
>> 
>> He may have scored a lot of goals (some of which were surprisingly
>> brilliant) during his years at Elland Road, but what was our win-loss
>> record
>> over that time? Not great.
>> 
>> 
>> On 1 October 2013 12:45, Sutton / Smail  wrote:
>> 
>>> I think it's unfair to dis-associate the goals from the player. I'm no
>>> particular fan of his, but if he does score and that's what he's paid
>>> to do, then what's wrong with that?
>>> Goodness knows we need goals from somewhere, anywhere, I'm not fussy!
>>> We are toothless up front inspite of BMD encouraging  more of a
>>> passing approach which I think is good, we can pass across the pitch
>>> (and back) all day and achieve nothing.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Ed Morrish" 
>>> To: "Sutton / Smail" 
>>> Cc: ; "Leeds List (Post to list)" <
>>> leedslist@gn.apc.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 9:59 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [LU] Luciano!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> "Love the goals, not the player"?
>>> 
>>> On 1 Oct 2013, at 09:52, "Sutton / Smail" 
>> wrote:
 
 I'd have him back if he can muster a few goals again. We don't have
 many other options.
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Re: [LU] Are we turning into the new Victimpool ?

[Ted]

Dave,

I agree too about the Gary Speed issue - I think at the time of his death
to mark it how we did was fine, but now - let it go.

Don't agree with you though about the Turkey/Millwall stuff.  There may be
occasional times when the Munich song is sung - probably away from the
grounds and not by big numbers these days.  In fact the last two times we
played scum I never heard it once.  I've been to Millwall for the last two
or three years and they sing about Turkey in vast numbers.  A couple of
years ago I tried to photograph a bloke with his (8ish year old son) by his
side both waving printed Turkey flags and doing throat-cutting gestures
(they were not alone, the majority of the stand were doing it) I was just
gob-smacked that he would encourage his young son to do it.  (photo was too
blurred!)

Ted H
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Re: [LU] becchio irony

[Andy Pyzer]

it seems BMD did try to get Becchio but his attempt was turned down. there are 
so many ways to turn on this I just can't be bothered . can or worms 
etc... but most points have been raised I think.. moving on
 
MOT

  
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Re: [LU] Are we turning into the new Victimpool ?

[Phill Shields]

Dave

I'm with you on the Speed issue. When he wanted out we had to sell him because 
his performances were pathetic. Bottling out of tackles and generally not 
putting in the effort. Before he died he never got a good reception when he 
came back to ER.

Not so sure on the Galatasaray thing. Certainly there is an issue about people 
in glass houses. However, thankfully they are a minority for stuff like Munich. 
I don't think the Dave Jones stuff is the same. Just my view. When you get 
large numbers like Millwall filth singing and wearing Turkish shirts etc for 
the sake of the families of the 2 lads I think LUST has done the right thing.

Regards

Phill

MOT

nat...@sky.com wrote:

I cannot believe that we have put in an official complaint about Millwall fans 
singing about Turkey , especially since you can still hear the airplane song 
when you mingle with Leeds fans.
Yes it is disgusting but should we really be making an issue of it ? If we 
really are offended by it then bringing this to others fans attention will make 
it worse a la Dave Jones and the peado chants ?

When you add that to the, yet another, 11 minutes for Gary Speed , this time at 
Newcastle we do appear to becoming Liverpool. I was as upset as anyone when I 
heard about Gary Speed, especially when it seemed to be suicide due to 
depression (a friend of mine recently killed himself and my wife also suffers 
with depression so it is close to my heart) but firstly the coroner did not 
conclude that it was suicide and there was no evidence that he ever suffered 
from depression
Secondly to put Speed in the 'Leeds legend' category is a stretch (OK compared 
to the Yorkshire Post 'legend' Brendon Ormsby he is) he was a good player who 
gave us a few good years but without his early death and the circumstances 
around it he would just be another decent player who would not normally get a 
mention
So to me all the songs etc are well over the top

Sorry if any of this upsets anyone - it is not my intention to be argumentative 
or controversial but the hypocrisy around the Turkey chants and the Gary Speed 
stuff really gets to me at times

Dave
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Re: [LU] Luciano!

[Robert Heath]

I don't blame Becchio entirely for our poor record when he played.

Not entirely.

BUT, as Sir Richard Walker has so frequently pointed out , indeed to the
point of tedium, we will never play the freeflowing, passing game which we
all crave (or do we?) with Becchio in the team.

(Getting nervous now because I am daring to contradict some
one...I hope I am doing it in an adult way so Boocock isn't
going to ban me.)


On 1 October 2013 13:07, Richard Naef wrote:

> c'mon Rob, surely you can't blame our win/loss just on Becchio?  He did
> what
> he was paid to do - score goals - at our level lge 1 & championship - I
> think that is what you should expect from a player. He mispassed, fell
> over,
> moaned, but he rarely missed when given an opportunity.  He scored those
> goals under several different managers under different playing formations
> with different partners.  I remember that lazy fat tax avoiding bastard
> yeboah, but fuck did he score some belters and I'd give your right hand to
> have him back (in his 90's guise obviously)
>
> ttfn
>
> Richard
>
> Triumph Computer Services
> 01273 505214
> 07974870424
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org]
> On
> Behalf Of Robert Heath
> Sent: 01 October 2013 10:54
> To: Sutton / Smail
> Cc: Leeds List (Post to list)
> Subject: Re: [LU] Luciano!
>
> This is the 21st Century. The modern striker (alright not that modern, it's
> been like this since at least the days of Allan Clarke) must do so much
> more
> than score goals. Becchio has one huge and pivotal
> weaknessdreadful ball control. This means that 95% of the time
> when the ball is played up to him, we lose possession. No decent team can
> play with a striker who cannot hold the ball up.
>
> He may have scored a lot of goals (some of which were surprisingly
> brilliant) during his years at Elland Road, but what was our win-loss
> record
> over that time? Not great.
>
>
> On 1 October 2013 12:45, Sutton / Smail  wrote:
>
> > I think it's unfair to dis-associate the goals from the player. I'm no
> > particular fan of his, but if he does score and that's what he's paid
> > to do, then what's wrong with that?
> > Goodness knows we need goals from somewhere, anywhere, I'm not fussy!
> > We are toothless up front inspite of BMD encouraging  more of a
> > passing approach which I think is good, we can pass across the pitch
> > (and back) all day and achieve nothing.
> >
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message - From: "Ed Morrish" 
> > To: "Sutton / Smail" 
> > Cc: ; "Leeds List (Post to list)" <
> > leedslist@gn.apc.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 9:59 AM
> > Subject: Re: [LU] Luciano!
> >
> >
> > "Love the goals, not the player"?
> >
> >  On 1 Oct 2013, at 09:52, "Sutton / Smail" 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I'd have him back if he can muster a few goals again. We don't have
> >> many other options.
> >>
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[LU] Are we turning into the new Victimpool ?

[nat...@sky.com]

I cannot believe that we have put in an official complaint about Millwall fans 
singing about Turkey , especially since you can still hear the airplane song 
when you mingle with Leeds fans.
Yes it is disgusting but should we really be making an issue of it ? If we 
really are offended by it then bringing this to others fans attention will make 
it worse a la Dave Jones and the peado chants ?

When you add that to the, yet another, 11 minutes for Gary Speed , this time at 
Newcastle we do appear to becoming Liverpool. I was as upset as anyone when I 
heard about Gary Speed, especially when it seemed to be suicide due to 
depression (a friend of mine recently killed himself and my wife also suffers 
with depression so it is close to my heart) but firstly the coroner did not 
conclude that it was suicide and there was no evidence that he ever suffered 
from depression
Secondly to put Speed in the 'Leeds legend' category is a stretch (OK compared 
to the Yorkshire Post 'legend' Brendon Ormsby he is) he was a good player who 
gave us a few good years but without his early death and the circumstances 
around it he would just be another decent player who would not normally get a 
mention
So to me all the songs etc are well over the top

Sorry if any of this upsets anyone - it is not my intention to be argumentative 
or controversial but the hypocrisy around the Turkey chants and the Gary Speed 
stuff really gets to me at times

Dave
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Re: [LU] Luciano!

[nat...@sky.com]

I was always fairly ambivalent towards Lucy - I never really understood the 
hero status he got compared to the stick the miles better (in my opinion) 
Beckford got in the same team.
He did have a decent scoring record albeit,as with many strikers, it was 
inflated by a number of penalties in his last season (I know they still need 
scoring but it does over-exaggerate his goals per games ratio in a way) and to 
get into our top ten of all time is no mean feat.

Having said all that I do tend to go with the adage 'never go back' - I know 
both Baird and to an extent Batty both came back and did well enough but they 
are the exception.
Other than a morale boost amongst his many fans (and the opposite amongst his 
fewer but not insubstantial number of detractors) I do not see what he will 
bring to the team that we cannot get from other players out there who do not 
have his 'baggage' / history etc

I think tonight is a massive game, lose or draw and the season is as good as 
over, win and we can all get a lift and begin to dream of getting near the play 
offs again.

I think it is very important that we keep McDermott for the long term and a bad 
result tonight would begin to put pressure on him (even this early) and lose 
some of the goodwill that he has amongst fans.

I am surprised that fans on waccoe are saying that even season ticket holders 
are giving tonight a miss due to recent results and performances. I cannot 
believe that anyone would pay £400 or whatever for a full seasons football and 
then pack it in after 4 home games - assuming that if today goes badly they 
will not be coming again ?

Hopefully things will go right tonight and we will get a victory and maybe the 
first one where we win by more than 2 goals for a couple of seasons !

I see that Ian Harte is back in their squad, surely we have the pace somewhere 
in the team to take advantage of his lack of speed ?

Dave



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Re: [LU] Luciano!

[Sutton / Smail]

I agree - Becchio can't hold or control, but he does score and I'm willing to 
forego the other standard forward attributes for now if he can net us a few to 
keep us in this division. Who else is there at present?
Beggars? choosers?

Dave




  - Original Message - 
  From: Robert Heath 
  To: Sutton / Smail 
  Cc: Ed Morrish ; Leeds List (Post to list) 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 10:53 AM
  Subject: Re: [LU] Luciano!


  This is the 21st Century. The modern striker (alright not that modern, it's 
been like this since at least the days of Allan Clarke) must do so much more 
than score goals. Becchio has one huge and pivotal weaknessdreadful 
ball control. This means that 95% of the time when the ball is played up to 
him, we lose possession. No decent team can play with a striker who cannot hold 
the ball up.


  He may have scored a lot of goals (some of which were surprisingly brilliant) 
during his years at Elland Road, but what was our win-loss record over that 
time? Not great.




  On 1 October 2013 12:45, Sutton / Smail  wrote:

I think it's unfair to dis-associate the goals from the player. I'm no 
particular fan of his, but if he does score and that's what he's paid to do, 
then what's wrong with that?
Goodness knows we need goals from somewhere, anywhere, I'm not fussy! We 
are toothless up front inspite of BMD encouraging  more of a passing approach 
which I think is good,
we can pass across the pitch (and back) all day and achieve nothing.


Dave



- Original Message - From: "Ed Morrish" 
To: "Sutton / Smail" 
Cc: ; "Leeds List (Post to list)" 

Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: [LU] Luciano!


"Love the goals, not the player"?


  On 1 Oct 2013, at 09:52, "Sutton / Smail"  wrote:

  I'd have him back if he can muster a few goals again. We don't have many 
other options. 


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Re: [LU] Luciano!

[Paul Cundell]

Is that strictly true? Or is it a touch of selective memory?
Isn't it more the case that we never looked like getting near promotion to
the
Premier League with Becchio under Warnock and Bates?
As I recall we got close under Grayson until Bates sold the midfield from
under him.
However, before Rich W has an eppy, you could say that with the service
from that midfield anyone could score goals.
Let's be fair, the Howson, Snodgrass, Clayton, Gradel midfield would not be
out of place in most lower premiership sides.
The fact that BMc can't rebuild that quality of line up over the summer
isn't exactly surprising.
We've been allowed to degrade into a lower championship squad and it's a
long way back.
Not sure quick loan fixes like Becchio or Beckford are the answer either.
Cheers
Paul


On 1 October 2013 11:28, Jim Moran  wrote:

> We were a poor team that never looked like getting near promotion to the
> Premier League with Becchio.
>
>
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Re: [LU] Luciano!

[Jim Moran]

We were a poor team that never looked like getting near promotion to the
Premier League with Becchio.

Having him back suggests to me that BMcD is happy with mid table
mediocrity, which is pretty much what we look like we will be for the
foreseeable, especially if Becchio returns to get some tap ins to paper
over the cracks.


On 1 October 2013 11:07, Richard Naef wrote:

> c'mon Rob, surely you can't blame our win/loss just on Becchio?  He did
> what
> he was paid to do - score goals - at our level lge 1 & championship - I
> think that is what you should expect from a player. He mispassed, fell
> over,
> moaned, but he rarely missed when given an opportunity.  He scored those
> goals under several different managers under different playing formations
> with different partners.  I remember that lazy fat tax avoiding bastard
> yeboah, but fuck did he score some belters and I'd give your right hand to
> have him back (in his 90's guise obviously)
>
> ttfn
>
> Richard
>
> Triumph Computer Services
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> 07974870424
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org]
> On
> Behalf Of Robert Heath
> Sent: 01 October 2013 10:54
> To: Sutton / Smail
> Cc: Leeds List (Post to list)
> Subject: Re: [LU] Luciano!
>
> This is the 21st Century. The modern striker (alright not that modern, it's
> been like this since at least the days of Allan Clarke) must do so much
> more
> than score goals. Becchio has one huge and pivotal
> weaknessdreadful ball control. This means that 95% of the time
> when the ball is played up to him, we lose possession. No decent team can
> play with a striker who cannot hold the ball up.
>
> He may have scored a lot of goals (some of which were surprisingly
> brilliant) during his years at Elland Road, but what was our win-loss
> record
> over that time? Not great.
>
>
> On 1 October 2013 12:45, Sutton / Smail  wrote:
>
> > I think it's unfair to dis-associate the goals from the player. I'm no
> > particular fan of his, but if he does score and that's what he's paid
> > to do, then what's wrong with that?
> > Goodness knows we need goals from somewhere, anywhere, I'm not fussy!
> > We are toothless up front inspite of BMD encouraging  more of a
> > passing approach which I think is good, we can pass across the pitch
> > (and back) all day and achieve nothing.
> >
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message - From: "Ed Morrish" 
> > To: "Sutton / Smail" 
> > Cc: ; "Leeds List (Post to list)" <
> > leedslist@gn.apc.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 9:59 AM
> > Subject: Re: [LU] Luciano!
> >
> >
> > "Love the goals, not the player"?
> >
> >  On 1 Oct 2013, at 09:52, "Sutton / Smail" 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I'd have him back if he can muster a few goals again. We don't have
> >> many other options.
> >>
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Re: [LU] Luciano!

[Richard Naef]

c'mon Rob, surely you can't blame our win/loss just on Becchio?  He did what
he was paid to do - score goals - at our level lge 1 & championship - I
think that is what you should expect from a player. He mispassed, fell over,
moaned, but he rarely missed when given an opportunity.  He scored those
goals under several different managers under different playing formations
with different partners.  I remember that lazy fat tax avoiding bastard
yeboah, but fuck did he score some belters and I'd give your right hand to
have him back (in his 90's guise obviously) 

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-Original Message-
From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On
Behalf Of Robert Heath
Sent: 01 October 2013 10:54
To: Sutton / Smail
Cc: Leeds List (Post to list)
Subject: Re: [LU] Luciano!

This is the 21st Century. The modern striker (alright not that modern, it's
been like this since at least the days of Allan Clarke) must do so much more
than score goals. Becchio has one huge and pivotal
weaknessdreadful ball control. This means that 95% of the time
when the ball is played up to him, we lose possession. No decent team can
play with a striker who cannot hold the ball up.

He may have scored a lot of goals (some of which were surprisingly
brilliant) during his years at Elland Road, but what was our win-loss record
over that time? Not great.


On 1 October 2013 12:45, Sutton / Smail  wrote:

> I think it's unfair to dis-associate the goals from the player. I'm no 
> particular fan of his, but if he does score and that's what he's paid 
> to do, then what's wrong with that?
> Goodness knows we need goals from somewhere, anywhere, I'm not fussy! 
> We are toothless up front inspite of BMD encouraging  more of a 
> passing approach which I think is good, we can pass across the pitch 
> (and back) all day and achieve nothing.
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "Ed Morrish" 
> To: "Sutton / Smail" 
> Cc: ; "Leeds List (Post to list)" < 
> leedslist@gn.apc.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 9:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [LU] Luciano!
>
>
> "Love the goals, not the player"?
>
>  On 1 Oct 2013, at 09:52, "Sutton / Smail"  wrote:
>>
>> I'd have him back if he can muster a few goals again. We don't have 
>> many other options.
>>
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Re: [LU] Luciano!

[Richard Naef]

>I think it's unfair to dis-associate the goals from the player. I'm no
particular fan of his, but if he does score and that's what he's paid to do,
then what's >wrong with that?
>Goodness knows we need goals from somewhere, anywhere, I'm not fussy! We
are toothless up front inspite of BMD encouraging  more of a passing
approach which I >think is good, we can pass across the pitch (and back) all
day and achieve nothing.

no point in attempting logic in this case, I long ago realised for some it's
a visceral hate for the guy, based on personal opinions, nothing wrong with
that, but nothing will change their view, f'rinstance him getting in our top
10 all time scorers was met with derision.  It's just possible he wasn't the
cause of our playing methods under Warnock and might just be able to adapt
to our "new" tippytappy method.  I think it is highly likely that he will
come back on loan, so we'll find out pretty soon.  Hopefully the already
overstretched Leeds NHS will be able to handle the increase in aneurisms. 

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Re: [LU] Luciano!

[Robert Heath]

This is the 21st Century. The modern striker (alright not that modern, it's
been like this since at least the days of Allan Clarke) must do so much
more than score goals. Becchio has one huge and pivotal
weaknessdreadful ball control. This means that 95% of the time
when the ball is played up to him, we lose possession. No decent team can
play with a striker who cannot hold the ball up.

He may have scored a lot of goals (some of which were surprisingly
brilliant) during his years at Elland Road, but what was our win-loss
record over that time? Not great.


On 1 October 2013 12:45, Sutton / Smail  wrote:

> I think it's unfair to dis-associate the goals from the player. I'm no
> particular fan of his, but if he does score and that's what he's paid to
> do, then what's wrong with that?
> Goodness knows we need goals from somewhere, anywhere, I'm not fussy! We
> are toothless up front inspite of BMD encouraging  more of a passing
> approach which I think is good,
> we can pass across the pitch (and back) all day and achieve nothing.
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "Ed Morrish" 
> To: "Sutton / Smail" 
> Cc: ; "Leeds List (Post to list)" <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 9:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [LU] Luciano!
>
>
> "Love the goals, not the player"?
>
>  On 1 Oct 2013, at 09:52, "Sutton / Smail"  wrote:
>>
>> I'd have him back if he can muster a few goals again. We don't have many
>> other options.
>>
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Re: [LU] Luciano!

[Sutton / Smail]

Season target locked in now for me. Avoid relegation.

Dave


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From: "Richard Walker" 

To: "Sutton / Smail" 
Cc: ; "Leeds List (Post to list)" 


Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [LU] Luciano!


Just strikes me as a bit of desperation. Maybe a PR stunt to keep the fans 
onside for a bit longer. We're looking at bringing in an Arsenal player and 
your old favourite Becchio.


BMD 'I asked about Becchio and he isn't available'

Why bother telling us then we don't care. Is this his strategy ? did he 
consider this when he let Morrison go ? Pathetic ! Worrying times ahead I 
think.


On 1 Oct 2013, at 09:52, "Sutton / Smail"  wrote:

For all the bad press Becchio receives I seem to remember many 1-0 
scorelines in his days with us when he was the lone scorer.
Even if they are tap ins, you need to be there to do it and he seems to be 
there or there abouts some of the time.


I'd have him back if he can muster a few goals again. We don't have many 
other options.


Dave




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Re: [LU] Luciano!

[Sutton / Smail]

I think it's unfair to dis-associate the goals from the player. I'm no 
particular fan of his, but if he does score and that's what he's paid to do, 
then what's wrong with that?
Goodness knows we need goals from somewhere, anywhere, I'm not fussy! We are 
toothless up front inspite of BMD encouraging  more of a passing approach 
which I think is good,

we can pass across the pitch (and back) all day and achieve nothing.


Dave



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From: "Ed Morrish" 

To: "Sutton / Smail" 
Cc: ; "Leeds List (Post to list)" 


Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: [LU] Luciano!


"Love the goals, not the player"?


On 1 Oct 2013, at 09:52, "Sutton / Smail"  wrote:

I'd have him back if he can muster a few goals again. We don't have many 
other options. 


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Re: [LU] Luciano!

[Richard Walker]

Just strikes me as a bit of desperation. Maybe a PR stunt to keep the fans 
onside for a bit longer. We're looking at bringing in an Arsenal player and 
your old favourite Becchio.

BMD 'I asked about Becchio and he isn't available' 

Why bother telling us then we don't care. Is this his strategy ? did he 
consider this when he let Morrison go ? Pathetic ! Worrying times ahead I think.

On 1 Oct 2013, at 09:52, "Sutton / Smail"  wrote:

> For all the bad press Becchio receives I seem to remember many 1-0 scorelines 
> in his days with us when he was the lone scorer.
> Even if they are tap ins, you need to be there to do it and he seems to be 
> there or there abouts some of the time.
> 
> I'd have him back if he can muster a few goals again. We don't have many 
> other options.
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
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Re: [LU] Luciano!

[Ed Morrish]

"Love the goals, not the player"?

> On 1 Oct 2013, at 09:52, "Sutton / Smail"  wrote:
> 
> I'd have him back if he can muster a few goals again. We don't have many 
> other options.
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[LU] Luciano!

[Sutton / Smail]

For all the bad press Becchio receives I seem to remember many 1-0 
scorelines in his days with us when he was the lone scorer.
Even if they are tap ins, you need to be there to do it and he seems to be 
there or there abouts some of the time.


I'd have him back if he can muster a few goals again. We don't have many 
other options.


Dave




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