Re: [LU] LU: Dave McAdam's Funeral

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Thanks for this Graham and for representing us mate.

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From: Graham Thirkill
Sent: 06 May 2017 14:28
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: [LU] LU: Dave McAdam's Funeral

I went to Dave’s funeral yesterday in Burton on Trent, another pal gone.
As you get old, you seem to hear of friends deaths every two minutes.
The crematorium chapel was quite large and every row of pews were
occupied. We had, about a forty minute hold up on the A1, due to an
accident and just got there on time for the start of the service, which was
very nice. Afterwards everyone went to the Pirrelli Stadium, home of
Burton Albion it’s a small but superb stadium, everything seemed brand
spanking new. The area where the refreshments and drinks were consumed
had lots of tables and I assume this was the main restaurant for the stadium.
This overlooked the playing area and the pitch looks magnificent with sprinklers
watering the, lovely green plush turf. As we entered the reception area there 
were
posters telling us this was the venue for Dave’s good bye’s, wake or whatever 
it’s
called. At the top of the stairs we went along a very long corridor and on the 
right
hand side were all the doors to the executive boxes, for the match day patrons,
all numbered as I said earlier, every thing was pristine and very smart. The 
people
were wonderful, Dave’s daughter Sue, had mentioned to other mourners we had
travelled from the North and she introduced me to Ben Robinson the Burton Albion
Chairman, who I have to say is a lovely bloke and very sincere and friendly. I 
asked
Ben, if Leeds United had sent a representative, of course they hadn’t, which I 
felt a
bit embarrassed about. If it had been one of Leeds superstars, I’m sure there 
would
have been quite a few there, but journeyman footballers such as Dave get no 
respect
or recognition shown to them in my opinion and I think that’s a shameAt 
least
I was there to represent the Leeds fans and list, and felt honoured to be 
there. On my
blazer lapel I had the old Blue & old gold LU Supporters club badge from the 
50’s and
60’s. The buffet was all laid out in one of the executive boxes and then 
carried through
to the main dining area where there was tea and coffer urns and the bar. As we 
left
there was a football match in progress on the practice pitch between Burton 
Albion
ladies and Birmingham ladies. All in all, obviously, a very sad occasion but 
Dave’s
life was celebrated and at the the age of ninety four he certainly had been 
fortunate
enough to have a long and happy life. He was a great person to know, generous 
and
a true gentleman. RIP Dave McAdam, you will be missed, greatly, by many people.

Thirkers
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Re: [LU] Thomas Christiansen - no me neither

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This appointment lacks ambition in my opinion and feels like a financial one as 
opposed to football. If this had been announced in the period when season 
tickets were up for renewal it would have certainly had a negative impact.

Apparently AR was very impressed with TC at the interview, my question is how 
did he even get an interview?

When looking for the qualities to manage us I would have expected the 
successful candidate to meet most of the following criteria:-


  *   Track record of management in English football and preferably the 
Championship;
  *   Ability to attract better players than we have now;
  *   Some sort of silverware in management;
  *   Able to build on what we already have.

He patently fails against 3 of that criteria. Seriously, I don’t care how good 
he was at interview, if this is the best AR can do he should have fought tough 
and nail to keep Monk.

You will have gathered that I am thoroughly pissed off. This is a massive 
gamble and, as usual, it is us the fans whose hopes and aspirations are being 
toyed with again.

It feels to me like we are doing it on the cheap yet again. Can’t wait to see 
our squad been improved by all these superstars from Cyprus football.

MOT



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From: Matt Anderson
Sent: 15 June 2017 13:33
To: Richard Walker
Cc: Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] Thomas Christiansen - no me neither

He did win a title and get to europa league last 16 last year.

Got a better track record than monk

No idea what he is like but didn't fancy any of the others we were linked with

Just because we haven't heard of him doesn't mean he is rubbish

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> On 15 Jun 2017, at 13:19, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
>  wrote:
>
> It's Dave Hockaday's foreign cousin !
> It's got disaster written all over it.
> Be careful what you wish for Cellino outers,
>
>  From: "nat...@sky.com" 
> To: Leeds List 
> Sent: Thursday, 15 June 2017, 12:05
> Subject: [LU] Thomas Christiansen - no me neither
>
> Phil Hay says TC from Cypriot team Apoel has been confirmed as new manager
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Re: [LU] Sad news

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Very sad news. RIP Andrew MOT

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On Mon, 26 Jun 2017 at 13:21, Guy Thornton
 wrote:
Maybe not many people on the list know will remember Andrew Keogh. He was only 
occasionally on the list
and never posted. However he was a lifelong Leeds supporter. Back in the days 
of yore (otherwise known as
the 60's and start of the Glory Years) Andrew, Tim Greenwood (who is on the 
list) and I as youthful
teenagers all lived in Harrogate and apart from common political interests we 
shared a passion for Leeds
and regularly made that pilgrimage together to Elland Road. Though we have gone 
our various ways, Tim in
the states for the last 30 years, Andrew in London and me all over the place 
the passion for Leeds has never
died. Andrew has brought up both his boys to support Leeds.

Andrew sadly died a week last Saturday. His GP had referred him to hospital in 
March when he couldn't work
out what was causing Andrew's back problems. The hospital diagnosed lung cancer 
which had spread to a
secondary cancer in the bones. After radiotherapy he was sent home but was soon 
back in hospital, then to
a care home but had to go to (another) hospital. During this period I had 
managed to get over a see him a
few times. Then a week last Thursday he was moved to a hospice so I arranged to 
come over and see him
again but he died on the Saturday. I am now over for the funeral tomorrow. 
Maybe not everyone but several
of us there will be wearing Leeds United scarves.

Andrew,you will be missed. May you take a bit of Leeds and Gods Own County with 
you.

Marching on together
Guy
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Re: [LU] Curry

[Phill Shields]

Head and shoulders best curry house in Barnsley:-

https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Restaurant_Review-g528795-d939912-Reviews-Chilli-Barnsley_South_Yorkshire_England.html

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Subject: [LU] Curry

Guy's

I've got to spend time 'near' Barnsley this weekend for a wedding. Are there 
any good curry houses? Please help.

Thanks
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Re: [LU] Forest Green - 2 1 up at half time

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I thought the main difference is what we did when we didnt have the ball. We 
pressed all over the pitch and showed real determination to get it back when we 
lost the ball. Young lad should have saved their goal, it was nowhere near the 
worldy that the useless commentator made it out to be. He did make up for it 
though.

Still think we need centre half (2), winger and a target man up front.

This was good for our 1st run out of the season.

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Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 8:37:35 PM
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Subject: Re: [LU] Forest Green - 2 1 up at half time

You know when Bielsa took the job and said that he'd watched every single
Leeds game from last season?  Appears that's just the tip of his
preparation-iceberg:  "Forest Green are well into their friendly schedule
and spent some time in Devon last week. Bielsa had all of their friendlies
filmed in preparation for tonight."

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

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Sent: 17 July 2018 20:24
To: Richard Naef
Cc: Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] Forest Green - 2 1 up at half time

Some good passing all round here.

> On 17 Jul 2018, at 20:20, Richard Naef 
wrote:
>
> Is it just me or is Cooper playing a blinder cross field passes, running
out from defence etc etc, maybe Beilsa can polish turds!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of nat...@sky.com
> Sent: 17 July 2018 19:59
> To: Leeds List 
> Subject: [LU] Forest Green - 2 1 up at half time
>
> For 45 minutes that was very good - we totally controlled the game and
were so confident even Liam Cooper made a lovely cushioned back header as we
were so comfortableNo changes in personnel or formation other than Dallas
was left back and Berardi centre backWe had 4 or 5 chances - all bar one to
Roofe- and played some nice one touch football against poor opposition.
> Ayling showed us what we were missing at the end of last season as FG gave
him the freedom of the park and he even scored our second: a lovely ten man
move ended with Roofe laying it wide to Ayling who was unmarked and slotted
home.Before that Roofe who looked lively but should have had a hat trick,
missed a one on one, another easy-ish chance and then scored as a corner
fell to him inside the 6 yd box, he controlled and his deflected shot beat
the keeper.
> Forshaw also looked class as we totally dominated with Pablo and Saiz
flitting in and out of the game and interchanging. One other thing of note
was Alioski who spent the whole half hugging the left touchline in front of
Dallas.So as I say on 45 minutes things could hardy be better. However this
half last 46 minutes and it that final minute we let Grubb , one of their
players, walk through and past Ayling and fire a shot , that was decent
enough but perhaps should have been saved, past BPF and so with the last
kick of the half and their only attack and shot, they got a goal back - a
very poor bit of play that , in a real game, could be enough to undo all the
good workOne final point - the commentator alongside Eddie is awful - he
does not know any of the players and when he does recognise them he
mispronounces their name Sees and Aliosi for starters (then tried when he
got these two mixed up to claim they look alike- well they do apart from
height, weight , hair colour and style, a
 nd
>  the fact that they have different coloured boots, Ali has socks over his
knees, Samu doesn't, and Ali has short sleeves with bare arms and Samu a
blue fleece over his arms - apart from that they are indeed twins- Oh except
Samu has a beard and Ali is clean shaven!)
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Re: [LU] Cellino

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McCormack put in a transfer request. None of us wanted him to go but he got 
more than double what he is worth.

When has Cellini fleeced the fans? He was very popular with Calgary fans which 
is pretty unique in that country.

We all have reservations about Hockaday but he does have PL experience as a 
coach which is what he is employed as.

I am hoping his is a new dawn.
MOT

On Jul 18, 2014 4:08 PM, Ian Murray  wrote:
I applaud the optimism mate but McCormack kept us up pretty much single 
handedly last year. McD did lose the plot and I would have optimism if we had 
recruited somebody of repute and didn't have a lunatic convicted criminal 
pulling the strings.

People say it's an unknown? That's bollocks. We know what we are getting with 
Hockaday. A former 3rd rate player and failed non-league manager.

We know what we are getting with Cellino - a crook who has a track record of 
enriching himself at the expense of the club and taking the piss out of fans' 
loyalty.

What have we seen, in terms of action, that suggests this is anything other 
than a car crash?

I would love to be wrong - but I'm not.



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> On 18 Jul 2014, at 22:56, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
>
> I don't really get all the negativity - if you look at last seasons team - 
> which stayed up with no real concerns the only player who has left of all 
> those with the highest appearances is McCormack
> Kenny is also likely to be on his way / not getting a game
> Last years first XI based on appearances would look like this
> Kenny
> Byram, Lees, Pearce, Warnock
> Murphy, Mowatt, Austin, Tonge
> McCormack, Smith
>
> Kenny has been replaced by a highly rated 23 year old.
> Of the others it is reasonable to expect Byram, to be a lot better than he 
> was last year, Murphy, Mowatt and Smith should also benefit from their 
> experiences of last year. Pearce and Lees should be of the same standard. 
> Warnock / Tonge may get slightly worse due to age catching up with them a bit.
>
> So the addition of the two buys so far Bianchi and Doukara - if no better 
> than what we have presumably will not play and therefore will make no 
> difference -but if they are better than what we have then they must improve 
> the team - that seems logical to me.
>
> So it all depends on whether we can replace Ross - I doubt he would / will 
> have as good a season next time as he did last year - and at present his 
> replacement is Morison , someone who excited many when he signed last year 
> (especially the Becchio haters) but due to injury etc never really got going.
>
> As far as managing goes, a number felt from the word go that McDermott did 
> not have a clue, even those of us who supported him at the start felt that he 
> had 'lost it' by the end of the season, so even if Hockaday is useless he is 
> no worse than McDermott, Warnock, Grayson, McAllister etc all of whom listers 
> were happy / glad / content to see leave.
>
> Yes Hock is a big gamble but one we know nothing about, so given that 9 of 
> the team who kept us up comfortably enough, and who even threatened the play 
> offs at some point are still here, the only 'relegation-worry' I can possibly 
> see is losing Ross and not replacing him with either a system or another 
> forward who can ensure the same amount of goals
>
> As others have said, we are going into the unknown with Hockaday and the 
> foreign imports but lets wait and see before we all claim we are bound to be 
> relegated and go slitting our wrists -the reality does not seem that bad
>
> Dave
>
>
> 
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Re: [LU] Cellino

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Cellino ran a small club with average gates of 5k for 22 years and 17 of them 
were in Seria A. Fact that is a success.

McCormack looked for any excuse to jump ship and if he hadn't I would still 
have ripped Fulham hands off for £11m.

You are focusing on Hockaday's last job so why am I the straw clutching?

I am not bothered about changing your mind. For now I'll support until I have 
reason not to.

MOT


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 Original message From: Ian Murray 
 Date:18/07/2014  17:04  (GMT+00:00) 
To: Phill Shields  Cc: 
nat...@sky.com,leeds list  Subject: Re: [LU] 
Cellino 

The Dawn you see is a nuclear explosion.

Clutching at straws with the Hockaday PL coach thing mate. The thing is you 
know that too.

McCormack handing a transfer request? Hmmm couldn't be due to the fact that we 
are an absolute shambles or anything…could it?

Christ we all want Leeds to do well. But we won't like this it's so bloody 
obvious. We shouldn't put up with this shit.

Recognising this for what it is - a sick joke - does not make those of us who 
are anti Cellino and Hockaday non Leeds.

It's our club and we should make our opinions unequivocally known.

The Cagliari fans didn't love Cellino - they are very regional people 
(especially on Cagliari), and supported him because it was billed as Sardinia v 
Italy. I should know, my ex was (is) Sardinian.

MOT




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> On 18 Jul 2014, at 23:49, "Phill Shields"  wrote:
>
> McCormack put in a transfer request. None of us wanted him to go but he got 
> more than double what he is worth.
>
> When has Cellini fleeced the fans? He was very popular with Calgary fans 
> which is pretty unique in that country.
>
> We all have reservations about Hockaday but he does have PL experience as a 
> coach which is what he is employed as.
>
> I am hoping his is a new dawn.
> MOT
>
> On Jul 18, 2014 4:08 PM, Ian Murray  wrote:
> I applaud the optimism mate but McCormack kept us up pretty much single 
> handedly last year. McD did lose the plot and I would have optimism if we had 
> recruited somebody of repute and didn't have a lunatic convicted criminal 
> pulling the strings.
>
> People say it's an unknown? That's bollocks. We know what we are getting with 
> Hockaday. A former 3rd rate player and failed non-league manager.
>
> We know what we are getting with Cellino - a crook who has a track record of 
> enriching himself at the expense of the club and taking the piss out of fans' 
> loyalty.
>
> What have we seen, in terms of action, that suggests this is anything other 
> than a car crash?
>
> I would love to be wrong - but I'm not.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 18 Jul 2014, at 22:56, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
> >
> > I don't really get all the negativity - if you look at last seasons team - 
> > which stayed up with no real concerns the only player who has left of all 
> > those with the highest appearances is McCormack
> > Kenny is also likely to be on his way / not getting a game
> > Last years first XI based on appearances would look like this
> > Kenny
> > Byram, Lees, Pearce, Warnock
> > Murphy, Mowatt, Austin, Tonge
> > McCormack, Smith
> >
> > Kenny has been replaced by a highly rated 23 year old.
> > Of the others it is reasonable to expect Byram, to be a lot better than he 
> > was last year, Murphy, Mowatt and Smith should also benefit from their 
> > experiences of last year. Pearce and Lees should be of the same standard. 
> > Warnock / Tonge may get slightly worse due to age catching up with them a 
> > bit.
> >
> > So the addition of the two buys so far Bianchi and Doukara - if no better 
> > than what we have presumably will not play and therefore will make no 
> > difference -but if they are better than what we have then they must improve 
> > the team - that seems logical to me.
> >
> > So it all depends on whether we can replace Ross - I doubt he would / will 
> > have as good a season next time as he did last year - and at present his 
> > replacement is Morison , someone who excited many when he signed last year 
> > (especially the Becchio haters) but due to injury etc never really got 
> > going.
> >
> > As far as managing goes, a number felt from the word go that McDermott did 
> > not have a clue, even those of us who supported him at the start felt that 
> > he had 'lost it' by the end of the season, so even if Hockaday is useless 
> > he is no worse than McDermott, Warnock, Grayson, McAllister etc all of whom 
> > listers were happy / glad / content to see leave.
> >
> > Yes Hock is 

Re: [LU] Cellino

[Phill Shields]

I don't think you should under estimate the link between politics and football 
in Italy. MC played games far from home to make a point.

I have only stated facts. The way you feel you should stay away next season 
mate. I get impression you want us to fail.

MOT

On Jul 18, 2014 6:05 PM, Ian Murray  wrote:
Average gates of 5k because he ran the stadium into the ground and fell out 
with the council. He had them playing as far from Cagliari as it's possible to 
be and still be in italy. The equivalent of us playing our home games in 
launceston.

I'm focussing on the fact that he's a loser who no one had heard of until a 
month ago and who comes across as a right jeb end in interviews. I'm basing my 
view on facts mate. Yours is blind faith (there's summat to be said for it I 
suppose). I hope you're right - but you're massively massively wrong on this 
one.

MOT



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> On 19 Jul 2014, at 0:58, "Phill Shields"  wrote:
>
> Cellino ran a small club with average gates of 5k for 22 years and 17 of them 
> were in Seria A. Fact that is a success.
>
> McCormack looked for any excuse to jump ship and if he hadn't I would still 
> have ripped Fulham hands off for £11m.
>
> You are focusing on Hockaday's last job so why am I the straw clutching?
>
> I am not bothered about changing your mind. For now I'll support until I have 
> reason not to.
>
> MOT
>
>
> Sent from Samsung Mobile
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Ian Murray
> Date:18/07/2014 17:04 (GMT+00:00)
> To: Phill Shields
> Cc: nat...@sky.com,leeds list
> Subject: Re: [LU] Cellino
>
> The Dawn you see is a nuclear explosion.
>
> Clutching at straws with the Hockaday PL coach thing mate. The thing is you 
> know that too.
>
> McCormack handing a transfer request? Hmmm couldn't be due to the fact that 
> we are an absolute shambles or anything…could it?
>
> Christ we all want Leeds to do well. But we won't like this it's so bloody 
> obvious. We shouldn't put up with this shit.
>
> Recognising this for what it is - a sick joke - does not make those of us who 
> are anti Cellino and Hockaday non Leeds.
>
> It's our club and we should make our opinions unequivocally known.
>
> The Cagliari fans didn't love Cellino - they are very regional people 
> (especially on Cagliari), and supported him because it was billed as Sardinia 
> v Italy. I should know, my ex was (is) Sardinian.
>
> MOT
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 18 Jul 2014, at 23:49, "Phill Shields"  wrote:
>
>> McCormack put in a transfer request. None of us wanted him to go but he got 
>> more than double what he is worth.
>>
>> When has Cellini fleeced the fans? He was very popular with Calgary fans 
>> which is pretty unique in that country.
>>
>> We all have reservations about Hockaday but he does have PL experience as a 
>> coach which is what he is employed as.
>>
>> I am hoping his is a new dawn.
>> MOT
>>
>> On Jul 18, 2014 4:08 PM, Ian Murray  wrote:
>> I applaud the optimism mate but McCormack kept us up pretty much single 
>> handedly last year. McD did lose the plot and I would have optimism if we 
>> had recruited somebody of repute and didn't have a lunatic convicted 
>> criminal pulling the strings.
>>
>> People say it's an unknown? That's bollocks. We know what we are getting 
>> with Hockaday. A former 3rd rate player and failed non-league manager.
>>
>> We know what we are getting with Cellino - a crook who has a track record of 
>> enriching himself at the expense of the club and taking the piss out of 
>> fans' loyalty.
>>
>> What have we seen, in terms of action, that suggests this is anything other 
>> than a car crash?
>>
>> I would love to be wrong - but I'm not.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On 18 Jul 2014, at 22:56, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
>> >
>> > I don't really get all the negativity - if you look at last seasons team - 
>> > which stayed up with no real concerns the only player who has left of all 
>> > those with the highest appearances is McCormack
>> > Kenny is also likely to be on his way / not getting a game
>> > Last years first XI based on appearances would look like this
>> > Kenny
>> > Byram, Lees, Pearce, Warnock
>> > Murphy, Mowatt, Austin, Tonge
>> > McCormack, Smith
>> >
>> > Kenny has been replaced by a highly rated 23 year old.
>> > Of the others it is reasonable to expect Byra

Re: [LU] Cellino

[Phill Shields]

Hope you aren't sat near me. Moan, moan, moan.

On Jul 19, 2014 3:07 AM, Ian Murray  wrote:
Thanks for that super fan, but You needn't be concerned - Ill be there next 
season.

Wanting us to fail? What a silly thing to say.

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> On 19 Jul 2014, at 5:11, "Paul Cundell"  wrote:
>
> Don't worry Phill, I doubt Ian will be getting a bus in to Elland Road next
> season.
> Cheers
> Paul
>
>
>> On 18 July 2014 20:06, Phill Shields  wrote:
>>
>> I don't think you should under estimate the link between politics and
>> football in Italy. MC played games far from home to make a point.
>>
>> I have only stated facts. The way you feel you should stay away next
>> season mate. I get impression you want us to fail.
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Re: [LU] Cellino

[Phill Shields]

speaking from experience. ...


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 Original message From: Ian Murray 
 Date:20/07/2014  12:12  (GMT+00:00) 
To: Phill Shields  Cc: Paul 
Cundell ,leeds list  
Subject: Re: [LU] Cellino 

Better than bending over and getting shafted...

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> On 20 Jul 2014, at 18:47, "Phill Shields"  wrote:
>
> Hope you aren't sat near me. Moan, moan, moan.
>
> On Jul 19, 2014 3:07 AM, Ian Murray  wrote:
> Thanks for that super fan, but You needn't be concerned - Ill be there next 
> season.
>
> Wanting us to fail? What a silly thing to say.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 19 Jul 2014, at 5:11, "Paul Cundell"  wrote:
> >
> > Don't worry Phill, I doubt Ian will be getting a bus in to Elland Road next
> > season.
> > Cheers
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >> On 18 July 2014 20:06, Phill Shields  wrote:
> >>
> >> I don't think you should under estimate the link between politics and
> >> football in Italy. MC played games far from home to make a point.
> >>
> >> I have only stated facts. The way you feel you should stay away next
> >> season mate. I get impression you want us to fail.
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Re: [LU] Cellino

[Phill Shields]

You don't have to watch them you know.

On Jul 20, 2014 1:25 PM, Ian Murray  wrote:
We've all be shafted by Bates, Ridsdale etc.



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> On 20 Jul 2014, at 20:07, "Phill Shields"  wrote:
>
> speaking from experience. ...
>
>
> Sent from Samsung Mobile
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Ian Murray
> Date:20/07/2014 12:12 (GMT+00:00)
> To: Phill Shields
> Cc: Paul Cundell ,leeds list
> Subject: Re: [LU] Cellino
>
> Better than bending over and getting shafted...
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 20 Jul 2014, at 18:47, "Phill Shields"  wrote:
>
>> Hope you aren't sat near me. Moan, moan, moan.
>>
>> On Jul 19, 2014 3:07 AM, Ian Murray  wrote:
>> Thanks for that super fan, but You needn't be concerned - Ill be there next 
>> season.
>>
>> Wanting us to fail? What a silly thing to say.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On 19 Jul 2014, at 5:11, "Paul Cundell"  wrote:
>> >
>> > Don't worry Phill, I doubt Ian will be getting a bus in to Elland Road next
>> > season.
>> > Cheers
>> > Paul
>> >
>> >
>> >> On 18 July 2014 20:06, Phill Shields  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I don't think you should under estimate the link between politics and
>> >> football in Italy. MC played games far from home to make a point.
>> >>
>> >> I have only stated facts. The way you feel you should stay away next
>> >> season mate. I get impression you want us to fail.
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Re: [LU] lost 2 - 0 at Mansfield

[Phill Shields]

Been waiting for that result eh Ian?

On 23 Jul 2014 09:33, Ian Murray  wrote:
He certainly does. That's because that's what he is.

Don't let Phill catch you moaning though Wayne mate.

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> On 23 Jul 2014, at 16:28, "Wayne"  wrote:
>
>   He comes across like a clueless bellend who just bought a big book of
>   football clichA(c)s, he currently stuck on 'put a shift in'
>   Wayne
> __
>
>   From: Richard Walker
>   Sent: Wed, 23/07/2014 07:33 am
>   To: nat...@sky.com
>   CC: leeds list 
>   Subject: Re: [LU] lost 2 - 0 at Mansfield
>   If you're good enough, you're old enough Dave. On holiday at the mo, so
>   missing all. The pre season action. How's the Hock coming across in his
>   post match interviews?
>> On 22 Jul 2014, at 23:38, "nat...@sky.com" wrote:
>>
>> 72 mins Terrible back pass by Morison , striker nipped in and
>   Silvestri brought him down - a red in real life but ref let him off.
>   They scored pen 0 1
>>
>> Does not sound very good, trying to keep the ball but no penetration
>   - Bianchi sounds decent.
>>
>> 923 away fans in crowd of 3493 - amazing turn out,
>>
>> 83 mins Thompson falls over and they get their 2nd - 2 0 to them -
>   poor defending
>>
>> Cannot read anything into it but would be better if we sounded good ,
>   result unimportant but the way we play etc does count for something and
>   2 bits of very slack defending cost us 2 goals.
>>
>> Cook also sounds a real prospect (but is only 17 so cannot build this
>   season on his shoulders)
>>
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Re: [LU] lost 2 - 0 at Mansfield

[Phill Shields]

Yeah you are right. Lost a pre-season game so get rid.

Can see loads of top quality coaches lining up to replace him.

Subject: Re: [LU] lost 2 - 0 at Mansfield
From: ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 22:16:15 +0800
To: phillshie...@hotmail.com
CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org; ws.callag...@live.co.uk

Not really but it was inevitable wasn't it? Hockaday doesn't have a scooby doo. 
I'd normally have sympathy for someone in his position, but he comes across as 
a complete wanker so I don't. The sooner he is out the better.
MOT

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On 23 Jul 2014, at 21:57, "Phill Shields"  wrote:






Been waiting for that result eh Ian?
On 23 Jul 2014 09:33, Ian Murray  wrote:



He certainly does. That's because that's what he is.



Don't let Phill catch you moaning though Wayne mate. 



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> On 23 Jul 2014, at 16:28, "Wayne"  wrote:

> 

>   He comes across like a clueless bellend who just bought a big book of

>   football clichA(c)s, he currently stuck on 'put a shift in'

>   Wayne

> __

> 

>   From: Richard Walker

>   Sent: Wed, 23/07/2014 07:33 am

>   To: nat...@sky.com

>   CC: leeds list 

>   Subject: Re: [LU] lost 2 - 0 at Mansfield

>   If you're good enough, you're old enough Dave. On holiday at the mo, so

>   missing all. The pre season action. How's the Hock coming across in his

>   post match interviews?

>> On 22 Jul 2014, at 23:38, "nat...@sky.com" wrote:

>> 

>> 72 mins Terrible back pass by Morison , striker nipped in and

>   Silvestri brought him down - a red in real life but ref let him off.

>   They scored pen 0 1

>> 

>> Does not sound very good, trying to keep the ball but no penetration

>   - Bianchi sounds decent.

>> 

>> 923 away fans in crowd of 3493 - amazing turn out,

>> 

>> 83 mins Thompson falls over and they get their 2nd - 2 0 to them -

>   poor defending

>> 

>> Cannot read anything into it but would be better if we sounded good ,

>   result unimportant but the way we play etc does count for something and

>   2 bits of very slack defending cost us 2 goals.

>> 

>> Cook also sounds a real prospect (but is only 17 so cannot build this

>   season on his shoulders)

>> 

>> Dave

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Re: [LU] lost 2 - 0 at Mansfield

[Phill Shields]

As a little irony appears to be lost on you I actually feel sorry for you.

Where were all these top level coaches when McDermott's left. It's called 
realism Ian. CM is clearly a strong character and this is a new chapter that 
will take time.

Brilliant that you say I am on the downer.


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 Original message From: Ian Murray 
 Date:24/07/2014  02:01  (GMT+00:00) 
To: Phill Shields  Cc: 
leedslist@gn.apc.org,Wayne  Subject: Re: 
[LU] lost 2 - 0 at Mansfield 

I'm glad you have the good grace to acknowledge that I am. :)

There are quite literally thousands of coaches worldwide who are better placed 
than this clown, so I really don't understand the second point. Are you that 
down on us as a club that you think this guy is the best we can do? I feel 
sorry for you if so.

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> On 24 Jul 2014, at 0:52, "Phill Shields"  wrote:
>
> Yeah you are right. Lost a pre-season game so get rid.
>
> Can see loads of top quality coaches lining up to replace him.
>
> Subject: Re: [LU] lost 2 - 0 at Mansfield
> From: ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com
> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 22:16:15 +0800
> To: phillshie...@hotmail.com
> CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org; ws.callag...@live.co.uk
>
> Not really but it was inevitable wasn't it? Hockaday doesn't have a scooby 
> doo. I'd normally have sympathy for someone in his position, but he comes 
> across as a complete wanker so I don't. The sooner he is out the better.
>
> MOT
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 23 Jul 2014, at 21:57, "Phill Shields"  wrote:
>
> Been waiting for that result eh Ian?
>
> On 23 Jul 2014 09:33, Ian Murray  wrote:
> He certainly does. That's because that's what he is.
>
> Don't let Phill catch you moaning though Wayne mate.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 23 Jul 2014, at 16:28, "Wayne"  wrote:
> >
> >   He comes across like a clueless bellend who just bought a big book of
> >   football clichA(c)s, he currently stuck on 'put a shift in'
> >   Wayne
> > __
> >
> >   From: Richard Walker
> >   Sent: Wed, 23/07/2014 07:33 am
> >   To: nat...@sky.com
> >   CC: leeds list 
> >   Subject: Re: [LU] lost 2 - 0 at Mansfield
> >   If you're good enough, you're old enough Dave. On holiday at the mo, so
> >   missing all. The pre season action. How's the Hock coming across in his
> >   post match interviews?
> >> On 22 Jul 2014, at 23:38, "nat...@sky.com" wrote:
> >>
> >> 72 mins Terrible back pass by Morison , striker nipped in and
> >   Silvestri brought him down - a red in real life but ref let him off.
> >   They scored pen 0 1
> >>
> >> Does not sound very good, trying to keep the ball but no penetration
> >   - Bianchi sounds decent.
> >>
> >> 923 away fans in crowd of 3493 - amazing turn out,
> >>
> >> 83 mins Thompson falls over and they get their 2nd - 2 0 to them -
> >   poor defending
> >>
> >> Cannot read anything into it but would be better if we sounded good ,
> >   result unimportant but the way we play etc does count for something and
> >   2 bits of very slack defending cost us 2 goals.
> >>
> >> Cook also sounds a real prospect (but is only 17 so cannot build this
> >   season on his shoulders)
> >>
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Re: [LU] lost 2 - 0 at Mansfield

[Phill Shields]

CM is Massimo Cellino (MC) (whoops).

If there was somebody better then Hockaday in the frame would you care to share 
their names? Of course Hockaday has other experience in the PL but it doesnt 
suit your purposes  to focus on that. 

FFS I have no reason to defend Hockaday, I am saying lets give it a go. We both 
know if we start poorly he will be gone and then we will see all these top 
coaches you are banging on about lining up to do the job. I personally suspect 
at some point that Carbone will end up with the job.

I don't need reminding about the stature of this club. It breaks my heart what 
we have turned into but I think MC offers a new dawn. There have been so many 
false ones so lets give him a chance.

I'll watch them whatever because that is what I do. If you are so pessimistic 
vote with your feet lad.

MOT

Subject: Re: [LU] lost 2 - 0 at Mansfield
From: ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 16:37:24 +0800
To: phillshie...@hotmail.com
CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org; ws.callag...@live.co.uk

Are you saying that Hockaday is the best we can get? Who is CM? 
Cellino admitted that he 'didn't know' why he had employed Hockaday.
Irony is not lost on me - you seem to be suggesting that there is nobody better 
than Hockaday available.
There clearly are. Just to remind you, in case you forgot, Hockaday was sacked 
from his job as manager of non league forest green rovers following a run of 7 
defeats in 8 games. 
We are one of only 7 football league clubs to have been crowned champions of 
England in the last 25 years.
You think that Hockaday is the best we can do? I feel sorry for you mate. Such 
low standards and low expectations.
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On 24 Jul 2014, at 16:01, "Phill Shields"  wrote:






As a little irony appears to be lost on you I actually feel sorry for you.



Where were all these top level coaches when McDermott's left. It's called 
realism Ian. CM is clearly a strong character and this is a new chapter that 
will take time.



Brilliant that you say I am on the downer.







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 Original message 
From: Ian Murray 
Date:24/07/2014 02:01 (GMT+00:00) 
To: Phill Shields 
Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org,Wayne 
Subject: Re: [LU] lost 2 - 0 at Mansfield 




I'm glad you have the good grace to acknowledge that I am. :)



There are quite literally thousands of coaches worldwide who are better placed 
than this clown, so I really don't understand the second point. Are you that 
down on us as a club that you think this guy is the best we can do? I feel 
sorry for you if so.


Sent from my iPhone


On 24 Jul 2014, at 0:52, "Phill Shields"  wrote:






Yeah you are right. Lost a pre-season game so get rid.



Can see loads of top quality coaches lining up to replace him.





Subject: Re: [LU] lost 2 - 0 at Mansfield

From: ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com

Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 22:16:15 +0800

To: phillshie...@hotmail.com

CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org; 
ws.callag...@live.co.uk



Not really but it was inevitable wasn't it? Hockaday doesn't have a scooby doo. 
I'd normally have sympathy for someone in his position, but he comes across as 
a complete wanker so I don't. The sooner he is out the better.



MOT



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On 23 Jul 2014, at 21:57, "Phill Shields"  wrote:






Been waiting for that result eh Ian?
On 23 Jul 2014 09:33, Ian Murray  wrote:



He certainly does. That's because that's what he is.



Don't let Phill catch you moaning though Wayne mate. 



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> On 23 Jul 2014, at 16:28, "Wayne"  wrote:

> 

>   He comes across like a clueless bellend who just bought a big book of

>   football clichA(c)s, he currently stuck on 'put a shift in'

>   Wayne

> __

> 

>   From: Richard Walker

>   Sent: Wed, 23/07/2014 07:33 am

>   To: nat...@sky.com

>   CC: leeds list 

>   Subject: Re: [LU] lost 2 - 0 at Mansfield

>   If you're good enough, you're old enough Dave. On holiday at the mo, so

>   missing all. The pre season action. How's the Hock coming across in his

>   post match interviews?

>> On 22 Jul 2014, at 23:38, "nat...@sky.com" wrote:

>> 

>> 72 mins Terrible back pass by Morison , striker nipped in and

>   Silvestri brought him down - a red in real life but ref let him off.

>   They scored pen 0 1

>> 

>> Does not sound very good, trying to keep the ball but no penetration

>   - Bianchi sounds decent.

>> 

>> 923 away fans in crowd of 3493 - amazing turn out,

>> 

>> 83 mins Thompson falls over and they get their 2nd - 2 0 to them -

>   poor defending

>> 

>> Cannot read anything into it but would be be

Re: [LU] Fw: lost 2 - 0 at Mansfield

[Phill Shields]

Richard,

as a general principle I agree it is for the manager (coach) to sort out errors 
but he has only been here 5 minutes. If players continue to make mistakes then 
the coach picking then carries the can.

Let's be honest though, neither of the 2 culprits will feature regularly in our 
team next season.

MOT

> From: richleed...@yahoo.co.uk
> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 18:51:26 +0300
> To: da...@bromleyhouse.freeserve.co.uk
> CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: Re: [LU] Fw:  lost 2 - 0 at Mansfield
> 
> I never understood that argument . The manager is not to blame for 
> individual errors ? Really ? He picks the bloody team, surely the individual 
> errors should be noted and rectified. Surely the people making these 
> individual errors shouldn't be picked. Is it not the case that if individuals 
> are making errors then there's something wrong either with the system, their 
> position or morale of the player or the team. All the responsibility of the 
> manager.
> 
> No worries though, 'cos the Hock will sort Mansfield out, no doubt about 
> that. I've heard he's taken the whole team to Nandos in BirstLl for a clear 
> the air, team bonding session.
> 
> 
> > On 24 Jul 2014, at 17:55, "david bromley" 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I dont know what Hock has done wrong yet.
> > 
> > We lost at Mansfield because we let in 2 soft goals. The first when Morrison
> > misjudged a ridiculous backpass  and the second  because Lees couldn't judge
> > a header. It was Warnock who fetched Morrison in (it would have been better
> > to simply give Becchio away-at least we wouldn't have had to pay Morrison's
> > wages), and Warnock and McDermott who didn't deal with the fact that we need
> > a commanding central defender -Lees cant take command and isn't comfortable
> > with high balls-just watch a replay of Bolton humiliating us at home last
> > season.
> > 
> > Cant blame Hockaday for these individual errors 
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Re: [LU] pro Hockaday piece

[Phill Shields]

Thanks for sharing this.

I haven't changed my stance which is to give the bloke a chance. This will not 
of course be welcomed by some listers.

They need to get a reality of where we are as a club. I suspect their apparent 
hatred of Hock is because of the piss taking by non Leeds fans. Like when have 
we ever give a fuck about what anyone else thinks.

If he fails everyone will shrug their shoulders and forget him instantly. If he 
succeeds the guy will be a legend.

The real point here is that he is Cellini's man so he is my man. Getting rid of 
Kenny, Pugh and Lees all thumbs up from me.

I reserve the right to drop either/both if this all goes wrong but I really 
hope it doesn't.

MOT

On 30 Jul 2014 19:56, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
I don't think it is tongue in cheek / sarcastic - worth a read, it is by 
someone who went to Swindon game

I have seen the highlights on LUTV and Bianchi plays a few lovely through 
balls, especailly the one that ended up gaining us the penalty

http://sabotagetimes.com/football/i-was-wrong-about-leeds-uniteds-hockaday/


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Re: [LU] Tom Lees

[Phill Shields]

Are you being serious?

No pace, doesn't concentrate, can't boss a forward and (wrongly) thinks he can 
pass which is dangerous.

Cost us more goals individually than any other player last year and cannot hold 
a candle to Pearce

This is seriously good business for Leeds. The kid simply has not got it and 
never will have it in my view.

MOT

On 31 Jul 2014 18:45, N  wrote:
I'm with Nick on this..

Lees is young and still developing but has suffered from a lack of experience 
and Leadership around him needed to bring out his full potential.

Even having said that, he still seems infinitely better than Wootten and on 
many occasions more effective than Pearce. He has pace for a CB and has on many 
occasions been able to get back quickly to cover the mistakes of others (and 
sometimes his own) with last ditch tackles or blocks. .

Not the perfect answer to our needs but, then neither is anyone on the current 
squad; however, on skill alone I'd keep him ahead of Wootten and probably ahead 
of Pearce but, when you factor in little or no fee then, it seems a really bad 
move.

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 31, 2014, at 7:32 AM, "n...@6haroldplace.co.uk" 
>  wrote:
>
> I think it is a bad deal - young guy, England U-21 international while in the
> 2/3 division - clearly has something. The defence has been shite for years and
> remains shite despite (endless) changes of personnel, systems, changes in
> manager/coaches; I think there's something about needing a dominant leader at
> the back and letting him get it sorted (and that can be the keeper, think
> Schmeichel Snr), as well as drilling them to within an inch of their lives on
> the training ground...I have less faith in Wootton than I ever had in Lees.
>
> One thing that I will say as an ex-defender, when you've got the ball at your
> feet at the back, you are only as good as the movement ahead of you...if 
> they're
> static or hiding you're fucked, but the joy of it is, you get the blame.
>
>>
>>
>> Gone to Sheff Wed now either on a free or for an undisclosed sum (cannot be
>> much) depending on what you read
>> Bit of a shame for him, when he first broke into the team he looked a real
>> prospect but, as so often with centre halves at Leeds, he got worse the more
>> he played - not sure Colins public criticism of him helped at all. Got to the
>> stage last season where my best mate really hated him, he was so fed of up of
>> the hoof upfield that went into touch or to the opposition. He was part of a
>> very shaky defence so is no great loss, especially if we are tying to play a
>> passing game, not his forte
>>
>> Having said all that he did Ok for one season and did give us hope of more to
>> come. Hopefully he will be able to get his career back on track (apart from
>> against us of course) and start to improve again. I bear him no ill will but
>> am not sorry to see him go - not sure about the Pearce / Wooton partnership,
>> and with Zailiukas already gone and Killock too young and Rossini deal having
>> fallen through we are in desperate need of a centre half, preferably one with
>> pace, a good reader of the game who is strong in the air and on the ground
>> (not too much to ask is it ?)
>>
>> No idea how good Cooper from Chesterfield is and whether we will agree a fee
>> with them, he was 'let go' by Hull but that does not mean much either way
>>
>> Dave
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Re: [LU] Tom Lees

[Phill Shields]

I may be a jinx mate.

TBF our back four get exposed a lot with the midfield we have/ Never seen Lees 
have a good game.

Nowt against the kid, just dont rate him.

> From: bl...@att.net
> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 14:18:50 -0400
> CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: Re: [LU] Tom Lees
> 
> Sounds like you were, perhaps a jinx Phil. ;-)
> 
> Anyway you got your way and he's gone. Judging by our defensive performances, 
> without him in pre-season  he does not seem to have been the problem.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> > On Aug 1, 2014, at 12:08 PM, phillshields  wrote:
> > 
> > I went to every home game and a few away and in those yes he did.
> > 
> > 
> > Sent from Samsung Mobile
> > 
> >  Original message From: 
> > n...@6haroldplace.co.uk Date:01/08/2014  13:56  (GMT+00:00) 
> > To: leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] Tom Lees 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > yes Phil, totally.
> > 
> > and on the cost more goals thing - no he didn't.
> > 
> > But hey everyone has their own opinion.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> On 31 July 2014 at 18:58 Phill Shields  wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Are you being serious?
> >> 
> >> No pace, doesn't concentrate, can't boss a forward and (wrongly) thinks he
> >> can pass which is dangerous.
> >> 
> >> Cost us more goals individually than any other player last year and cannot
> >> hold a candle to Pearce
> >> 
> >> This is seriously good business for Leeds. The kid simply has not got it 
> >> and
> >> never will have it in my view.
> >> 
> >> MOT
> >> 
> >> On 31
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Re: [LU] Dundee U

[Phill Shields]

Good report Dave and completely agree with your assessment. Only negative Noel 
Hunt, useless.

On 2 Aug 2014 21:08, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
This was a pre season game against Sottish opposition ( not sure what the 
equiavalent standard is) so everything has to be read with that in mind

The result was mainly immaterial but we won 2 0 - so goals for Morison and 
Poleon and a clean sheet - something that would be very satisfying in a 'real 
game' watched by a crowd of just over 10k

I was impressed for the most part, we could have scored more and we restricted 
them to a couple of shots that were going wide. We passed the ball well and 
kept possession. It was a different method of playing from that seen at ER in 
recent years, as we sat back when they had the ball and waited for them to make 
a mistake or took it off them whenever they threatened.

Our starting line up, based on squad numbers was not far off the likely 
starting eleven next week (subject to new arrivals) with the injured White, 
Hunt and Smith the only ones numbered 1 to 11 who did not start. I have 
listened via LUTV to all the pre-season games but this was my first 'visual' of 
the teams, goals ' highlights excepted.

We could not have got off to a better start as a 4 or 5 man passing move ended 
with a pinpoint cross into the box to the unmarked Morison who tapped it into 
an empty net - a well worked goal and Morison got himself into the perfect 
position, but he will not score an easier one all season.

We seemed to have a plan and a style and we executed it pretty well - we passed 
the ball and kept it away from them. Pearce had a couple of headers that went 
close, Tonge had a decent long range shot and Austin an awful one. Bianchi also 
had a decent attempt

The game seemed to be being played at three quarter pace but we looked pretty 
good. Silvestri in net only had two things to do, he got down well and turned a 
shot round (but it was a dead ball since it was going wide) and he came out and 
collected a cross - that was his involvement for the day as we restricted them 
to their own half.

Bianchi looks a player, he always had time and space on the ball - the mark of 
a good player - and picked out a Leeds player with the vast majority of his 
passes, very early days but I like him

Doukara - listening on the radio I did not expect much from him but on todays 
showing he will be a real handful, big, strong, quite quick and showed a couple 
of great bits of skill - one especially when he had his back to the defenders 
but chipped it over his own head and turned and beat 2 of them. An early goal 
to settle his nerves / build his confidence and he could be a real hero of the 
terraces - early doors fans were calling him Kandol and Enoch but by the end we 
were hoping he is Jimmy / Beckford.

Berardi came on at half time and was  mixed bag - made a couple of errors but 
won the ball back both times

Morison worked hard ('put a shift in' lol) and gave cover for the defence as 
well as creating stuff up front

For the last 20mins or so we had a very young team out with Taylor, Cook, 
Poleon and Dawson all joining the fray. Dawson is tiny but he got stuck in and 
does have skill etc, Cook tried too hard and like Berardi messed up a couple of 
times but then won the ball back.

Poleon looked lively - he can still make it- and got his reward in the last few 
minutes when Smith and the defender collided and the ball come to Poleon who 
took it round the keeper and walked it into the net.

So overall, I left the game a lot happier and more confident than when I walked 
into the ground- pre season, what looked like poor opposition but we showed 
flashes of excellent football and seem to have a plan- impressed with Doukara , 
although he may be hit and miss over the course of the season, and very 
impressed with Bianchi - a real footballer on todays showing

Much too early to get excited BUT with Byram looking sharp we could surprise a 
few this season and may give the fans something to cheer about

Forget hoofball and welcome to the Hock (ok this is tongue in cheek)

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[LU] LU: McCormack

[Phill Shields]

https://www.clubcall.com/championship/magath-slams-leeds-1735777.html

This is hilarious and reflects so badly on Fulham and the player. So what do 
their medical team actually check when they carry out a "fitness" test on a 
prospective signing? It can't be just dodgy knees or ankles?? They still 
decided he was worth shelling out £11m - very professional!

As regards McCormack, given that he refused to take part in our preseason and 
that he was off he is responsible for his own fitness.

Having said all that, he clearly has a weight problem which was never addressed 
at Leeds. He should have score more goals last season if he had been able to 
work the line better with Smith.

My only comment about yesterday is that if Hockaday wants to win the fans over 
he needs to show much more courage in his team andselection. As soon as I saw 
the squad/formation I expected the worse. The only way to blood these new 
players is to play them. As for playing Hunt before Smith, I thought we had got 
rid of McDermott - looked like he picked team yesterday.

MOT
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Re: [LU] LU: McCormack

[Phill Shields]

Richard,

I read this differently. He is saying he was unfit before preseason and the 
clue is in the title of the article.

MOT

Phill

On 10 Aug 2014 14:47, Richard Naef  wrote:
>
> https://www.clubcall.com/championship/magath-slams-leeds-1735777.html
>

tbf in the article Magath doesn't mention Leeds at all and all he says is that 
he needs to improve his fitness

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Re: [LU] LU: McCormack

[Phill Shields]

I think that Margate is trying to divert attention from what was a poor 
performance yesterday Ian. It is a pointless dig at us nonetheless.

MOT


Sent from Samsung Mobile

 Original message From: Ian Murray 
 Date:10/08/2014  15:58  (GMT+00:00) 
To: Phill Shields  Cc: Richard 
Naef ,leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: 
Re: [LU] LU: McCormack 

Well they obviously want a story so they make stuff up that he didn't say. 
Pretty rudimentary stuff in tabloid journalism school.

He doesn't say anything about Leeds once in the quotes.



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> On 10 Aug 2014, at 22:03, "Phill Shields"  wrote:
>
> Richard,
>
> I read this differently. He is saying he was unfit before preseason and the 
> clue is in the title of the article.
>
> MOT
>
> Phill
>
>> On 10 Aug 2014 14:47, Richard Naef  wrote:
>>
>> https://www.clubcall.com/championship/magath-slams-leeds-1735777.html
>
> tbf in the article Magath doesn't mention Leeds at all and all he says is 
> that he needs to improve his fitness
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Re: [LU] Smith signs 3 year contract

[Phill Shields]

Give the lad a chance Richard. I don't think he is a winger. He is big, strong, 
pacey and decent touch. He is better than Kebe and Stewart put together.

Delighted Smith has got a new contract. I also think he should play alongside 
Sharp.

F*ck Morison.

MOT

> From: richleed...@yahoo.co.uk
> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 20:07:10 +0100
> To: arm...@yahoo.com
> CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: Re: [LU] Smith signs 3 year contract
> 
> He was bloody awful, he was pretty awful against Accrington but scored 2 
> goalls so you forgave him for some of his general play. He won't get that 
> space he needs in this league though. 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> > On 18 Aug 2014, at 19:38, Nicholas Armit  wrote:
> > 
> > Doukara wasn't that bad Saturday. Give him a bit of a chance.
> > 
> > From: Richard Walker 
> > To: Ted  
> > Cc: leedslist  
> > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2014 2:33 PM
> > Subject: Re: [LU] Smith signs 3 year contract
> > 
> > Might as well, Doukara ain't the answer. What's the score with sick note 
> > Morrison ?
> > 
> > Sent from my iPad
> > 
> > > On 18 Aug 2014, at 18:55, Ted  wrote:
> > > 
> > > I agree,  im glad he's signed.
> > > 
> > > I'd certainly give him a run alongside Sharp. Different styles could play
> > > off each other nicely.
> > > 
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Re: [LU] Smith signs 3 year contract

[Phill Shields]

Better than Kebe & Stewart?

CC: arm...@yahoo.com; leedslist@gn.apc.org
From: richleed...@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: Re: [LU] Smith signs 3 year contract
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 12:51:55 +0100
To: phillshie...@hotmail.com

I don't think he is pacey, I don't think he's that strong either , he appears 
to come off second best in most 50:50s. I also not sure of his general ability.
But as you say it's early days but from what I've seen so far I'd say he's got 
to do a lot of improving to make the mark.
On 18 Aug 2014, at 22:35, Phill Shields  wrote:





> Sent from my iPad
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> > On 18 Aug 2014, at 19:38, Nicholas Armit <
  
  
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Re: [LU] Team Selection

[Phill Shields]

Good article. I don't think it is fair on Smith to play him up front when we 
are adhering to this useless diamond formation. We are too narrow and the only 
balls he receives are with his back to play from long & deep which always 
favour the centre halves.

He should definitely have given new players a run last night. We are not going 
to win the cup and it would have gotten them used to a hostile English away 
game.

I have no axe to grind about Hockaday but he really needs to start showing some 
bravery in his decision making. We all know Bolton is a must win game and if we 
lose he will be gone.

You cannot question the commitment last night but the writing was on the wall 
after Murphy walked. This lad simply has not got it. He does not have the 
mental strength to wear the shirt, makes poor decisions, hides and cannot step 
up when we need it.

Sounds like another 3, mainly midfielders wingers, will be signed before 
deadline. Let them play FFS.

MOT


> From: jezz.tho...@zen.co.uk
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> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 16:34:06 +0100
> Subject: [LU]  Team Selection
> 
> 
> Go read
> 
> http://rightinthegarykellys.com/2014/08/28/hockaday-neglects-youth/
> 
> I agree.
> 
> 
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Re: [LU] Fabian Delph

[Phill Shields]

Very lucky to stay on the pitch.
 
I do like the kid though and thought he had a decent debut.
 
> From: richleed...@yahoo.co.uk
> Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 11:12:58 +0100
> To: m...@leeds-united.net
> CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: Re: [LU] Fabian Delph
> 
> I'm not so sure he was man of the match. He looked out of his depth first 
> half and should have been sent off through real naivety. He improved second 
> half but did give away possession on a few occasions far too easily.
> 
> For a debut though he did ok and I am a fan. Much rather have him playing 
> than Gerard or Lampard.
> 
> > On 9 Sep 2014, at 11:01, Matt Anderson  wrote:
> > 
> > He did was man of the match after a shaky start
> > 
> > 
> > Sent from Samsung Mobile
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> >  Original message From: 
> > n...@6haroldplace.co.uk Date:09/09/2014  10:55  (GMT+00:00) 
> > To: leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: [LU] Fabian Delph 
> > 
> > Apparently played for England last night...and might well have been 
> > sent off
> > after 10 minutes.
> > 
> > Get some blood on your boots.
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Re: [LU] Non LU : Becchio Watch

[Phill Shields]

Exactly Tim.

On 13 Sep 2014 22:59, Tim Leslie  wrote:
Rich. Did he sleep with your missus? Who gives a flying fuck about him?

> On 13 Sep 2014, at 22:40, Andy Clayton  wrote:
>
> Who?
>
>> On 13 September 2014 20:48, Richard Walker  wrote:
>>
>> Made his debut for Rotherham. Got dragged off after half time. Rotherham
>> went on to recover and rescue a point, not surprising given he's only
>> played 6 mins of 1st team football in the last 2 years. He will get 20
>> goals this season.
>>
>> Ok I'm lying, I expect him to get found out again at Rotherham which is a
>> level too high for him. I  expect him to be back in Spanish league 4 soon.
>>
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Re: [LU] Brentford

[Phill Shields]

Thanks Dave, pretty much how it sounded on the radio.

Apparently Redders didn't travel with team which is worrying.

MOT

On 27 Sep 2014 18:03, davidwool...@gmail.com wrote:
Pretty awful all round.

In a vain bid for bright sides, Silvestri was excellent. Warnock put the 
proverbial shift in. Austin at least make a few lung busting attempts to join 
the attack.

Doukara was god awful. Who knows how he didn't get subbed.

In general far too passive, playing our football far too deep in ineffective 
positions in our own half, such that when it broke down we put ourselves under 
pressure. Balls forward were long and straight and easy to defend.

Didn't close them down. The very few occasions we did Brentford looked 
flustered.

Substitutions were poor, unimaginative and didn't do anything to change the 
game.

Those are the plus points.

Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
  Original Message
From: Richard Walker
Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2014 17:39
To: Richard Naef
Cc: leedslist
Subject: Re: [LU] Brentford

Very disappointing result. Darko obviously bored the poor fuckers into a dismal 
performance.

I am assuming this is the occasional one step backwards that Reddrs warned us 
about.

Still ruined my weekend . Will never get my head around that we've been 
comprehensively beaten by fucking Brentford.

I'm going to the pub for some Leeds pale ale. Much of it.

> On 27 Sep 2014, at 17:02, "Richard Naef"  
> wrote:
>
> by the sounds of it, as bad as we have played since Millwall.
>
>
>
> ttfn
>
>
>
> Richard
>
>
>
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Re: [LU] Reading

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Dave,

I thought we were very poor last night and if our new coach is looking to make 
his mark on our team I was not impressed by the tactics or team selection. No 
purpose, no penetration and a safety first approach.

Several players had mares last night, how he let Sloth stay on the pitch is 
beyond me and the lad Cook just couldn't do anything right. The harder he tried 
the worse he got poor kid. He left him on far too long.

Playing Cooper instead of Warnock was a potty decision and I thought he looked 
totally out of place and a real weak spot for us.

Redders rightly cold shouldered Murphy and yet Darko has included him the squad 
twice and brought him on both games. He made no impact when he came on last 
night and I cannot see how he is getting on a game in front of other new kids 
ek Adryano. He needs teaching a lesson after what he did at Bradford.

I was thoroughly pissed off last night and his post match interview didn't 
help. Yet again he went on about how good our opponents were, they are as good 
as your team let them be Darko.

They totally bossed the 2ns half and, no Darko, they weren't playing for a 
draw. One manager was making changes to try and get a win last night and it 
wasn't you mate.

I fear the worst for Saturday.


MOT



> Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 10:30:29 +0100
> From: nat...@sky.com
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: [LU] Reading
> 
> Well this will be short (for a change) I went to the game hoping to 
> experience the euphoria and excitement that I missed v Hudds but worried that 
> it may be another Brentford, especially when I recalled Reading hammering us 
> at ER last time and read that they have a great record against us
> I was amazed to find that Warnock - who is having by far his best period for 
> us- was dropped for Cooper, less surprising was the recall for Sloth but a 
> surprise that it was Austin who made way.
> It took us till the 84 minute to have shot on target when Sharp made room for 
> himself, turned and fired in a shot that went right to the keeper. Apart from 
> Silverstri tipping a long shot over the bar early on and getting down low to 
> a shot at his near post I don't recall any real shots on target from them 
> either. This had 0 0 or at best 1 0 written over it from the start. Our stats 
> on BBC show 16 shots,only 1 on target, they had 13 off and 4 on. I do 
> remember Mowatt and Austin both hitting one well over the bar, and Bellusci 
> trying to recreate his Bournemouth free kick but putting it into the second 
> tier of the South Stand. For all the lack of real goal mouth action it was 
> not that bad a game - I have seen much worse nil nils. We did try and pass 
> and move and tried to have possession with purpose BUT we gave the ball away 
> far too often. Nothing worked for Doukara and although Antenucci tried hard 
> he got no real service. Cooper looked a bit dodgy at times
>  - looking like what he is , a centre back playing out of position, and they 
> did try and target him, but he stuck to his task and looks like he will be a 
> good asset for us (at centre back) and we did restrict them to long range 
> efforts and looked pretty solid at the back. Silverstri again making Cellinos 
> claims that he will be our best keeper ever seem a possibility, he looks very 
> assured. We did let them get the better of the second half as Cook and Mowatt 
> seemed to tire a bit and Murphy came on to no real effect. Cook does look a 
> real player but he gave the ball away and seemed much too casual much too 
> often. Bianchi, Sloth and Mowatt all had mixed games with some good stuff and 
> some wayward passing.
> A point at home is not really good enough but we are very much a work in 
> progress and a clean sheet against a supposedly potent Reading attack is 
> good. We have plenty that needs sorting but also plenty to build on and I 
> went home reasonably happy with things. 
> A win on Saturday and last night will be consigned to history. We all know 
> this is an odd Division - look at the results last night - Hudds winning away 
> at Wolves and Fulham hitting four. Any team that can put  a few results 
> together can zoom up the league, and after 10 games despite doing so poorly 
> we sacked a manager (coach)  we are only 6 points from the top ! (a win last 
> night would of course have cut this to 4 pts)
> 
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[LU] Advice please - Betting at Elland Road on Matchday

[Phill Shields]

Despite the crap odds I have been using Skybet for having a little tickle on 
the game. Its good for scorecasts and half/full-time bets ie ones that are not 
normally available using national bookies on line.
 
Anyway, long story short I am done with Skybet. Mentioned the crap odds, had 
problems with getting my winnings back last season and now they are refusing to 
pay on a few quid I won on Wolves game which means I will now have to line up 
with rest of winners at NE corner after Charlton game. So that is it finish.
 
I want to use an online betting service which I can place my bets whilst at ER 
so I know the lineup where I can do scorecasts, both teams scoring etc but 
really looking from advice from fellow listers who bet online please.
 
I only have Galaxy S4 so I want a site I can navigate easily and quickly.
 
Views?
 
MOT
 
Phill 
  
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Re: [LU] Transfer Ebargoes

[Phill Shields]

Didn't Mr Harvey get them in?


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 Original message From: Paul Cundell 
 Date:16/12/2014  17:44  (GMT+00:00) 
To: Phill Shields  Cc: Leeds 
List  Subject: Re: [LU] Transfer Ebargoes 


Must be GFH because Mr Harvey wouldn't have been so irresponsible, would he?

On 16 Dec 2014 12:01, "phillshields"  wrote:
>
> GFH my suspects.
>
> MOT
>
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Re: [LU] Transfer Ebargoes

[Phill Shields]

Fair point Paul. Didn't he take Fudds into admin twice tho?

MOT


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 Date:16/12/2014  18:23  (GMT+00:00) 
To: Phill Shields  Cc: Leeds 
List  Subject: Re: [LU] Transfer Ebargoes 


I'm sure if Mr Harvey had been involved he would have ensured that GFH were
fit and proper with a viable business plan not likely to fall foul of
football league regulations.  It's not as if he presided over 2
administrations with 2 football clubs is it?

On 16 Dec 2014 18:19, "Phill Shields"  wrote:
>
> Didn't Mr Harvey get them in?
>
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Re: [LU] Walker's most derided match report XI

[Phill Shields]

At the risk at starting a long and boring exchange about the attributes (or 
lack of them) of Becchio I would suggest that anyone who thinks he is the worst 
player to wear the Leeds shirt simply hasnt watched Leeds enough.

In the forward department you have Frank Strandli & Micheal Ricketts before you 
start. I would personally add Brian Deane who was useless but that may perhaps 
be a bit more controversial.

MOT



> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 13:14:31 +
> From: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk
> To: richleed...@yahoo.co.uk; t...@3leafieldvillas.co.uk
> CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: Re: [LU] Walker's most derided match report XI
> 
> Last home game before relegation, and Hampsons goal - we re-enacted it on the 
> pitch later! Shame it didn't save us! 
>   From: Richard Walker 
>  To: Tim Leslie  
> Cc: "leedslist@gn.apc.org"  
>  Sent: Friday, 9 January 2015, 8:13
>  Subject: Re: [LU] Walker's most derided match report XI
>
> Gary Hamson was a decent player until he got his injury. Hird was erratic but 
> he could play.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> > On 8 Jan 2015, at 23:24, Tim Leslie  wrote:
> > 
> > Last 15 year? Does no-one remember the football genius of:
> > 
> > Byrom Stephenson
> > Gary Hampson
> > Brian Caswell
> > Kevin Hird
> > Thomas Brolin!!! (Bakke was way better than him!)
> > 
> > StigOfTheDump
> > 
> >> On 8 Jan 2015, at 22:48, Rob Heath  wrote:
> >> 
> >> I was just thinking yesterday that if you wanted to make a Leeds United
> >> Worst Ever XI, you would actually have to create 4 teams (all made up from
> >> players who have appeared in the last 15 years, I suspect) and have them
> >> play a knockout tournament with 2 semis and a finaland all
> >> the games would probably end up 0-0 and be decided on the 23rd penalty when
> >> someone finally managed to hit the target while Rachubka stood and watched.
> >> 
> >>> On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 6:29 AM, Ben Thorpe  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> This made me think of a new thread:
> >>> 
> >>> GK - Paul Rachubka?
> >>> LB - Ian Harte
> >>> CB
> >>> CB - Sean ("turns slower than milk") Gregan
> >>> RB - Paul Connolly
> >>> LM
> >>> CM - Stephen McPhail
> >>> CM - Eirik Bakke
> >>> RM - Jimmy Kebe?
> >>> ST - Billy Paynter?
> >>> ST - Luciano Becchio
> >>> 
> >>> Manger - Paul Cundell\David Hockaday
> >>> 
> >>> Anyone with a better memory?
> >>> 
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org]
> >>> On
> >>> Behalf Of Richard Walker
> >>> Sent: 08 January 2015 21:47
> >>> To: tim.whe...@talk21.com
> >>> Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> >>> Subject: Re: [LU] Becchio
> >>> 
> >>> Now that is a close call if I'm honest. For pure footballing ability I
> >>> think
> >>> they are both equally as bad. Ok, good call.
> >>> 
>  On 8 Jan 2015, at 20:32, tim.whe...@talk21.com wrote:
>  
>  Worse than Habib Habibou?
>  
>  Tim W.
>  
>  From: Richard Walker 
>  To: Jim Moran 
>  Cc: "leedslist@gn.apc.org" 
>  Sent: Thursday, 8 January 2015, 19:45
>  Subject: Re: [LU] Becchio
>  
>  All those players were better footballers than Becchio - his control and
> >>> passing ability were the worst I've ever seen from a Leeds player.
>  
>  Sent from my iPad
>  
> > On 8 Jan 2015, at 19:41, Jim Moran  wrote:
> > 
> > He's not the worst - he's just the most overhyped.
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > On 8 Jan 2015, at 19:36, Jeremy Adams 
> >>> wrote:
> > 
> >>> I'm going to let this one pass me by and put it all down to Becchio's
> >>> agent working overtime.
> >>> 
> >>> He's still the worst player I've ever seen put on a white shirt.
> >> 
> >> Wait Carlton Palmer?, Roque Junior?, Jacob Burns? Duberry?,
> >>> Gregan? Paul Okon?
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
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Re: [LU] Another new face from Palermo

[Phill Shields]

Tim,

what about 1 song for both of them ie "Who the .hell are 
you"?

Not heard of either of them and not enthused by their signings either. Oh hang 
on, we have the Albanian giraffe coming in...

MOT

Phill

> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 17:48:00 +
> From: tim.whe...@talk21.com
> To: steve.par...@ccfe.ac.uk; leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: Re: [LU] Another new face from Palermo
> 
> So that's two new songs we need for Saturday. Versions of Grandad (Clive 
> Dunn) and La Bamba (Ritchie Valens).
> 
> Whoever comes up with the words for our chants needs to get his thinking cap 
> on.
> 
> Tim W.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: "Parish, Steve C" 
> To: Leeds List  
> Sent: Monday, 26 January 2015, 17:31
> Subject: [LU]  Another new face from Palermo
>  
> 
> It's just been confirmed that we've signed Palermo midfielder Granddi Ngoyi 
> for the rest of the season.
> 
> Steve.
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Re: [LU] FA Cup

[Phill Shields]

I'm sure Bradford fans would wish us well in similar circumstances, yeah right.

> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 12:59:39 +
> From: rd25...@googlemail.com
> To: d.r.bren...@leeds.ac.uk
> CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: Re: [LU] FA Cup
> 
> As long as we do better,  I agree
> 
> Well done Bradford
> On 26 Jan 2015 12:42, "David Brennan"  wrote:
> 
> > > Message: 3
> > > Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 15:32:26 +
> > > From: Nick 
> > > To: leeds list 
> > > Subject: [LU] FA Cup
> > >
> > > ...and no one wants to congratulate Bradford?? Well then I will. Their
> > win
> > > betters ours vs Man U a few years ago.
> >
> > I know it's popular to dislike the teams local to your own (usually the
> > small teams disliking the big teams) but  I would like to see all Yorkshire
> > teams prosper over non-Yorkshire teams.
> >
> > A premier league with Leeds winning, followed by Doncaster, Wednesday and
> > Huddersfield qualifying for Champions League places I would be happy to see.
> >
> > So I agree Nick, well done Bradford.
> >
> >
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Re: [LU] Redfearn

[Phill Shields]

I genuinely feel for Redders but I have to say that the players at the club 
must realise that their performances/results in the run in to the end of the 
season are vitally important for his future at the club. The last few games 
have been very poor - its as if they don't care about the bloke.

Then again, I agree he must share part of the blame. Steve Thompson has gone 
now, we need to move on. Cardiff are one of the poorest teams we have played at 
our place this season and they won at a canter on Saturday. Cannot believe we 
played 1 up front against them, they were there for the taking.

I personally do not want to see Morison in a Leeds shirt again, if we need 
someone to stand wide on the right to use as an outlet use young Dawson or 
possible Montenegro.  

There are plenty of players in the squad who should be given a chance in the 
run in, Del Fabrio, Sloth, Montenegro to name but a few. 

Final point, it looks like Cellino is gearing up to off load us. A few week ago 
I was optimistic about next season, I am really not hopeful now though.

MOT


> Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 16:11:49 +
> From: arm...@yahoo.com-is-broken.gn.apc.org
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: [LU] Redfearn
> 
> OK I will probably get slated for this, but I think Refearn is getting an 
> easy ride and he is starting to do things that previous managers were slated 
> for. He is starting to annoy me:
>
>- Calling out individual players for their poor performance (Silvestri and 
> Antenucci on Saturday). Warnock was hammered (rightly so) for this after what 
> he said about Lees. Interestingly it is only the foreign players getting this 
> treatment. Morison rather than being shite "needs a rest"
>- Blaming players for being unable to adapt to a position and playing a 
> certain way for a system. How about changing the system to suit how the 
> players best play?
>- Too many mentions of shifts and graft, and "I want to see what they have 
> got in them". Hockaday anyone? Remember the vitriol he got for using pretty 
> much the same language?
>- Why no experimentation with some of the foreign players as the season 
> winds down? Or has he already made his mind up (Doukara, Adryan, Montenegro)? 
> Nick
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Re: [LU] Bournemouth

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best football team I've seen at ER this season. Based on last night's chants 
not forgiven us for that Bank Holiday Monday. ...


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From: David Brennan 
Date: 28/04/2015  13:05  (GMT+00:00)
To: 'Richard Walker' 
Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Bournemouth

Not as shite as us over the season though Rich.

Or does their promotion just illustrate how cack the quality of football in 
this league is?

> -Original Message-
> From: Richard Walker [mailto:richleed...@yahoo.co.uk]
> Sent: 28 April 2015 12:24
> To: David Brennan
> Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: Re: [LU] Bournemouth
>
> We hammered them, they are shite!
>
> > On 28 Apr 2015, at 12:22, David Brennan 
> wrote:
> >
> > I don't really know much about Bournemouth's history, only what I've
> heard today - that they were on the brink of extinction 7 years ago, and are
> now going to be playing in the PL. I can only imagine this is down to sound
> financial activity, good management, training, and a team and organisation
> playing together, both on and off the pitch.
> >
> > Be nice to have some of that at our place for a change.
> >
> >
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Re: [LU] Erwin signed

[Phill Shields]

Before you know who starts Viduka was a quality player. Celtic fans were 
absolutely distraught when we got him.
His 4 against the bin dippers was one of best performances by any player in the 
white shirt.
MOT

> From: d.r.bren...@leeds.ac.uk
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 12:13:31 +0100
> Subject: Re: [LU] Erwin signed
> 
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 18:58:59 +0100
> > From: Richard walker 
> > To: Richard Naef 
> > Cc: leeds list 
> > Subject: Re: [LU] Erwin signed
> > 
> > Surely not a fat , waste of space?
> 
> It's all relative though, isn't it?  Viduka might have left something to be 
> desired from time to time, but he could also be ace - same with Kewell -  but 
> who wouldn't have them in our side now?  Staying with the Aussie theme, we'd 
> probably even have Jacob Burn in our current team!
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Re: [LU] Fixtures

[Phill Shields]

You will need a membership card for you both but if your lad hasn't been to ER 
before surely that must be the first choice?
MOT

> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 14:32:46 +
> From: arm...@yahoo.com-is-broken.gn.apc.org
> To: a...@andybrown.co.uk
> CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org; d.r.bren...@leeds.ac.uk
> Subject: Re: [LU] Fixtures
> 
> How far in advance can you buy tickets for home games?If we went to the QPR 
> game do we need membership cards to get in the away end?
>   From: Andy Brown 
>  To: Nicholas Armit  
> Cc: David Brennan ; "leedslist@gn.apc.org" 
>  
>  Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 9:47 AM
>  Subject: Re: [LU] Fixtures
>
> Loftus Road is a really crap view and not much space. Lacks much atmosphere 
> imo.
> 
> On the other hand, Rotherham.
> 
> Can't you take him to Barcelona?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> 
> > On 17 Jun 2015, at 14:28, [broken-address] Nicholas Armit 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > So I am trying to plan a trip over from the US in November with my 13 year 
> > old son who has never seen Elland Road before. Because of conflicting plans 
> > we could either make the home game against Rotherham or the away game 
> > against QPR the following week.
> > So the delights of Elland Road or the full on away experience in the away 
> > end (if we can get in) at QPR?
> > Nick
> >  From: David Brennan 
> > To: "leedslist@gn.apc.org"  
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 8:46 AM
> > Subject: [LU] Fixtures
> > 
> > Yippee, Fulham is on a Tuesday night - that means I'll stand a good chance 
> > of getting a ticket, and can enjoy a leisurely jaunt (day off) down to that 
> > London.  Can I stay are yours again Matt?
> > 
> > I'm actually slightly/vaguely/a little bit excited reading the fixture 
> > list, and have already arranged my trip to Doncaster in the league cup, and 
> > am enjoying imagining where we might be come the Hull/Charlton/Preston 
> > games.  I suppose pre-season will soon kick that optimism out of me :-)
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Re: [LU] We get Wood - oooeeer missus

[Phill Shields]

Byram has pledged to see the last year of his contract out at Leeds. If we get 
offered £8m we must sell him.
MOT


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 Original message 
From: Richard walker 
Date: 30/06/2015  19:38  (GMT+00:00)
To: nat...@sky.com
Cc: Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] We get Wood  - oooeeer missus

Wood looks shite, and as for Erwin being one for the future I think we'll put 
him in the Derek Lilley camp.

Byram has pledged his future to Leeds and he confirmed that when I saw him in 
Graveleys this lunchtime.

Sent from my iPad

> On 30 Jun 2015, at 16:49, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
>
> Th internet rumours do suggest Sharp is on his way (possibly to Sheff Utd) as 
> a makeweight in a swap deal for their winger.Wood will have to go some to be 
> less effective as a goal scorer than Morison.Erwin is a bit of 'one for the 
> future' and 'can also play on the wing'
> Rosler is supposed to like 4 3 3 but until everyone is in place and we start 
> the first game it is all guesswork.
> Wood does show some ambition - other teams interested.
> Lots of Byram to Sunderland or Everton talk around at the moment - all 
> depending on if either / both lose their current right backs to 'bigger 
> clubs'Way of the world - they lose their players to a bigger club and so look 
> at a 'smaller' club and steal their players
> Dave
>  From: Richard Naef 
> To: leeds list 
> Sent: Tuesday, 30 June 2015, 16:41
> Subject: [LU] We get Wood - oooeeer missus
>
> Looks like the deal for Wood is close to being finalised, provided Wolves
> don't scupper it.  Figures of up to £2m are being talked about, which shows
> a certain level of commitment from MC.  Wood scored a bucket load for
> Leicester in the Championship but struggled in the Premier and then back on
> loan at Ipswich, but on balance given the lack of obvious alternatives who
> know the Championship it looks like decent deal.  Where this and Erwin's
> signing leaves Morison, Sharp, Antenucci, I'm not sure.
>
>
>
>
>
> ttfn
>
>
>
> Richard
>
>
>
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Re: [LU] another incoming ?

[Phill Shields]

that's who I mean. looks like we got him Dave.
getting excited now.
MOT


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 Original message 
From: nat...@sky.com
Date: 01/07/2015  14:43  (GMT+00:00)
To: nat...@sky.com, Conker , Leeds List 

Subject: Re: [LU] another incoming ?

I meant Barker not Parker (person on twitter calls him both so may not be a 
good reliable source ?)

  From: "nat...@sky.com" 
 To: Conker ; Leeds List 
 Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2015, 14:41
 Subject: Re: [LU] another incoming ?

I assume you mean Brandon Parker ?Someone on twitter (I know, I know) is 
claiming we have got him sorted for a season long loan. He does look a bit 
special (mind you so are / were Ross Barkley and Andros Townsend and see how 
they worked out
We will be a very young team (Wood only 23, Erwin younger than that and Parker 
a teenager) so we may need more experience to go with Bamba
dave
  From: Conker 
 To: nat...@sky.com; Leeds List 
 Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2015, 13:48
 Subject: Re: [LU] another incoming ?

#yiv1701612630 #yiv1701612630 -- .yiv1701612630EmailQuote 
{margin-left:1pt;padding-left:4pt;border-left:#80 2px solid;}#yiv1701612630 
Thanks Dave now seen the link. Hope this is in addition to the lad Barker and 
not instead of.

MOT

--- Original Message ---

From: nat...@sky.com
Sent: 1 July 2015 13:46
To: "Conker" , "Leeds List" 
Subject: Re: [LU] another incoming ?

No I have got the right person from Adam Pope on twitterHis latest post 
saysRösler know Adam Drury from his time at Manchester City & says he & the 
player will see how the trial period goes before a decision is made

Dave


From: Conker 
To: nat...@sky.com; Leeds List 
Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2015, 12:17
Subject: RE: [LU] another incoming ?

Are you getting mixed up with this young lad Barker who is strongly touted to 
be joining us on loan from City? He is a winger.

MOT

--- Original Message ---

From: nat...@sky.com
Sent: 1 July 2015 11:17
To: "Leeds List" 
Subject: [LU] another incoming ?

I see that Adam Drury (no not that one) is training with us today - he is Man 
City player aged 21 who can play as winger or full back (Sam Byram ?)
Wiki page says his style is Comfortable as either a Winger or as a Right Back, 
Drury is described as a 'pacey and intelligent dribbler'

Not sure who wrote it but sounds the sort of player we need now we have a 
decent (hopefully) target man to aim at - not good enough for Man City but 
could be decent at our level.. We really need a decent wide man who can take 
players on and cross a ball.
No doubt he will just be one of many who we give trials to ?
dave
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Re: [LU] another incoming ?

[Phill Shields]

I agree Dave. I do think if we are playing 4-3-3 we should keep Billy Sharp 
BTW. he will score if we get ball in the box.
MOT


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 Original message 
From: nat...@sky.com
Date: 01/07/2015  21:58  (GMT+00:00)
To: Phill Shields , Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] another incoming ?

Certainly looks special on this video (yes , I know) - at first I was thinking 
'no end product' but that changes in the second half of the compilation where 
he is banging them iA good attacking winger (a al Max) is always exciting and 
if he can provide the ammunition for Wood who looks to be a real 'presence' up 
front and things will be looking up - keep the young lads and teach Cook to 
shoot and who knows ?
dave
  From: Phill Shields 
 To: "nat...@sky.com" ; Leeds List 
 Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2015, 21:48
 Subject: Re: [LU] another incoming ?

that's who I mean. looks like we got him Dave.
getting excited now.
MOT


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 Original message 
From: nat...@sky.com
Date: 01/07/2015 14:43 (GMT+00:00)
To: nat...@sky.com, Conker , Leeds List 

Subject: Re: [LU] another incoming ?



I meant Barker not Parker (person on twitter calls him both so may not be a 
good reliable source ?)

From: "nat...@sky.com" 
To: Conker ; Leeds List 
Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2015, 14:41
Subject: Re: [LU] another incoming ?

I assume you mean Brandon Parker ?Someone on twitter (I know, I know) is 
claiming we have got him sorted for a season long loan. He does look a bit 
special (mind you so are / were Ross Barkley and Andros Townsend and see how 
they worked out
We will be a very young team (Wood only 23, Erwin younger than that and Parker 
a teenager) so we may need more experience to go with Bamba
dave
  From: Conker 
To: nat...@sky.com; Leeds List 
Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2015, 13:48
Subject: Re: [LU] another incoming ?

#yiv1701612630 #yiv1701612630 -- .yiv1701612630EmailQuote 
{margin-left:1pt;padding-left:4pt;border-left:#80 2px solid;}#yiv1701612630 
Thanks Dave now seen the link. Hope this is in addition to the lad Barker and 
not instead of.

MOT

--- Original Message ---

From: nat...@sky.com
Sent: 1 July 2015 13:46
To: "Conker" , "Leeds List" 
Subject: Re: [LU] another incoming ?

No I have got the right person from Adam Pope on twitterHis latest post 
saysRösler know Adam Drury from his time at Manchester City & says he & the 
player will see how the trial period goes before a decision is made

Dave


From: Conker 
To: nat...@sky.com; Leeds List 
Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2015, 12:17
Subject: RE: [LU] another incoming ?

Are you getting mixed up with this young lad Barker who is strongly touted to 
be joining us on loan from City? He is a winger.

MOT

--- Original Message ---

From: nat...@sky.com
Sent: 1 July 2015 11:17
To: "Leeds List" 
Subject: [LU] another incoming ?

I see that Adam Drury (no not that one) is training with us today - he is Man 
City player aged 21 who can play as winger or full back (Sam Byram ?)
Wiki page says his style is Comfortable as either a Winger or as a Right Back, 
Drury is described as a 'pacey and intelligent dribbler'

Not sure who wrote it but sounds the sort of player we need now we have a 
decent (hopefully) target man to aim at - not good enough for Man City but 
could be decent at our level.. We really need a decent wide man who can take 
players on and cross a ball.
No doubt he will just be one of many who we give trials to ?
dave
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Re: [LU] Another move to please Rich W

[Phill Shields]

Tom Lees "wasnt perfect"? Come on mate he was shocking for us!
Nothing against the lad, and pleased he is doing well elsewhere, but he was 
very poor for us. I agree we also need a central half because Cooper & Wootton 
are not the answer. Disappointed we let Del Fabrio go because he never got a 
kick.
Still think we need an older head in midfield and a pacey winger although Ajosi 
should be given a chance.
MOT

> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 12:47:44 +0200
> From: davidwool...@gmail.com
> To: nat...@sky.com
> CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: Re: [LU] Another move to please Rich W
> 
> Age can be a bit misleading. Better to have a 21 year old with over 100
> matches under his belt (like Byram) than some 23-24 year old who has only
> played 50 senior matches due to being down the pecking order at his club.
> In midfield, we have plenty of youth, but Murphy is a good age with over
> 200 matches, Mowatt has 2 solid seasons under his belt, Cook just seems a
> naturally mature footballer and this new lad seems a very smart young man.
> If you've got a mature yet youthful midfield the need for an older head in
> there can be over-rated.
> 
> In this respect I always found it a shame we couldn't keep hold of and
> develop Lees further - he wasn't perfect, but he'd played an awful lot of
> football at a young age for a centre back.
> 
> We still lack a wide right and a wide left option and I would also like to
> see a new centre-back partner for Bamba. Of those suspect the only one we
> will see is a wide left player.
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 12:10 PM, nat...@sky.com  wrote:
> 
> > Phil Hay ‏@PhilHayYEP   15 hrs15 hours ago Also being told that Luke
> > Murphy is in advanced talks about extending his contract. Current deal runs
> > to 2016, expected to sign to 2018.
> > Cardiff fans seems upset at Adeyemi being allowed to leave and come to us,
> > that is generally a good sign. Looking at transfers it appears we have got
> > rid of Austin aged 30 and replaced him with a 23 yr old, and will be losing
> > Sharp aged 30 and his replacement (Wood) is 23. So the average age of ,what
> > was already a young team, is getting younger.
> >
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Re: [LU] Wow a winger !!

[Phill Shields]

Apparently its a done deal Dave its just down to personal terms now.
My mate is a season ticket holder at Brentford and he is gutted. I seem to 
recall their winger having a good game at our place but I thought he was a 
little kid. Dallas is a big lad, may have wrong player.
Completely agree with comments about our strategy this year, replacing ageing 
players with young quality players and fair play to Cellino for backing the 
manager.
MOT 

> Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2015 15:15:03 +
> From: nat...@sky.com
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: [LU] Wow a winger !!
> 
> BREAKING: Leeds United are on the verge of signing winger Stuart Dallas from 
> Brentford. Three-year deal.From Phil Hay - I know nothing about him really 
> but at least he used to play for Rosler so it does look like he has signed him
> A totally different policy to last year - all young players this time and 
> most with Championship experience, Wood, Adeyemi and Dallas plus another 
> British player in Erwin- the only 'foreigner and older player' has plenty of 
> experience in this Divison inc with us (Bamba) total contrast to all the 
> serie B players who we got last year
> Hopeful for the new season - don't expect auto promotion but we should be 
> near to the play offs if the signings work out
> dave
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Re: [LU] Non LU - Ashes today

[Phill Shields]

This is hilarious.
MOT

> From: ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com
> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 20:44:14 +1000
> To: nat...@sky.com
> CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: Re: [LU] Non LU - Ashes today
> 
> How good was that Stokes catch?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On 6 Aug 2015, at 20:43, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
> > 
> > Incredible, unbelievable amazing - no words do it justice really  Ausies 29 
> > for 6 after 35 minutes and Stuart Broad has 5 wickets for 6 runs in 3 overs 
> > !
> > Just awesome
> > Dave
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Re: [LU] FFS

[Phill Shields]

I don't believe for one minute that Leeds were trying to get Byram to sign a 
new contract offering less money than he is on at the moment. Sounds like his 
agent is at work here.
It's been pretty clear for some time that he has no desire to remain at the 
club and wants a big money move. I'd let him go to the highest bidder, I don't 
think signing Buckley is a coincidence - Byram has been wank this season albeit 
being played out of position.
MOT 

> From: ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com
> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2015 07:31:54 +1000
> To: p...@cundell.com
> CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: Re: [LU] FFS
> 
> Yep. Cellino just wants to sell him, it's his MO
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On 23 Sep 2015, at 03:09, Paul Cundell wrote:
> > 
> > Seems to me that Byram is right then, take a pay cut and play for a
> > mediocre championship side or look for pastures new? I know what I'd be
> > doing.
> > 
> > 
> >> On 22 September 2015 at 17:58, Matt Anderson  wrote:
> >> 
> >> @PhilHayYEP: Massimo Cellino tells Sky Sports that Sam Byram thinks Leeds
> >> United are "not big enough for him":
> >> http://t.co/lNgSbcWnyK #lufc
> >> 
> >> @PhilHayYEP: Important context here is that Leeds were offering Byram a
> >> reduction to his weekly wage:
> >> https://t.co/9tq7uNbDfE #lufc
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Re: [LU] FFS

[Phill Shields]

I am not deluded enough to think that for a young player like Byram he has 
ambitions that rest beyond my club and I have to reluctantly accept that. I 
still think Byram is playing a the system and his agent is at it in the 
background.
Cellino is maintaining that he will not sell him in January because we don't 
need to which presumably means he will walk away for nothing at the end of the 
season. Why he would carry out contract negotiations aimed at making him want 
to go for nothing? It makes no sense and whatever any of you think about 
Cellino has proven he can run a football club when it comes to finances.
At the end of the day Byram is on a wage and an employee of the club. As such 
he should play when and where instructed and to a reasonable standard. He won't 
be the first player to not put in a shift to force a move and he won't be the 
last.
I'm for getting rid for as much as we can to the club that best suits us.
MOT 

> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2015 16:56:55 +0100
> From: p...@cundell.com
> To: jeremyadam...@hotmail.com
> CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: Re: [LU] FFS
> 
> It's akin to constructive dismissal imho, play him out of position to p him
> off, then offer him a pay cut to rub salt in the wounds, then act surprised
> when he wants to leave and make out he's the one that's disloyal - I
> thought we'd seen the end of cuddly ken!
> 
> 
> On 23 September 2015 at 16:52, Jeremy Adams 
> wrote:
> 
> >
> > True but we were playing in a different league at that point. I guess I'm
> > saying I'm all for sticking to a budget when it comes to wages and not
> > doing a Riddle, but then don't complain when you can't retain certain
> > employees.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [LU] Byram

[Phill Shields]

fag wrapper between the 2 sides J and he is from bubble blowers home land. good 
luck to him.
MOJ


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 Original message 
From: Jeremy Adams 
Date: 19/01/2016  10:47 pm  (GMT+00:00)
To: Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] Byram

Personally think he's a fool for joining West Ham over Everton, shows a lack of 
ambition to me. I know it's all about 1st team football but if he thinks he's 
not good enough to fight for a 1st place spot at Everton then he shouldn't be 
moving to the premier league. Also think Martinez's style of play would have 
suited him better and that West Ham's position in the league won't last forever.

Jeremy


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Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 9:01 AM
To: Leeds List
Subject: [LU] Byram

Funny how West Ham fan site is claiming that Sam is from a 'Hammers family'
Byram was born in Essex and is understood to come from a Hammers-supporting 
family which – after we had offered the same personal terms as Everton – made 
his decision to join the club pretty simple.
dave
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Re: [LU] team?

[Phill Shields]

What's wrong with Bellescu? Play him before Cooper every time.

> From: rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2016 16:49:58 +
> Subject: [LU] team?
> 
> Ok, I guess we'll play 4-5-1.
> 
>  
> 
> I think Dallas needs a rest as he's been ineffectual,  how about?
> 
>  
> 
> Antenucci
> 
> Carayol bridcutt cook dave Doukara
> 
> taylor Cooper Bamba Beradi 
> 
> Silvestri
> 
>  
> 
> ttfn
> 
>  
> 
> Richard
> 
>  
> 
>  
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Re: [LU] Blackburn

[Phill Shields]

Cheers Dave as always. Reminder our 1st goal against Notlob last week was also 
from a corner ;-)

> Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2016 18:04:31 +
> From: nat...@sky.com
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: [LU] Blackburn
> 
> This will be fairly short - 3 hours sleep (after a cub sleepover at Legoland) 
> 5 pints of Thwaites bitter, 6 paracetamol, 4 codeine phosphate tablets, and 
> 40mils of oramorph on top of my 60mgs of slow release morphine is not great 
> for a detailed analysis of the game !!The leeds end (lower tier) was packed 
> and we spent the first 5 minutes finding where are seats were and then 
> standing somewhere else since it was a bit of a free for allBerardi and Bamba 
> kept their places at the back, our goal scoring 'heroes' from midweek started 
> up front again with Mowatt Cook Dave and Bridcutt making up the 
> midfield.Blackburn started the brighter with lots of action down our flanks - 
> the pitch at Blackburn (which was in poor condition) is a bit strange in that 
> it extends 2 yards from the line and then has a massive camber (on the left 
> side as we looked at it)- thankfully these crosses came in 2 types , rubbish 
> ones that went behind the goal, too far to the far side or just generally 
> poor or 
 th
>  e odd decent one that just eluded the attacker in the box.It was what it 
> was, two average Championship (Division Two let us remember) teams with 
> little, if anything to play for. So not much in the way of enterprising or 
> exciting stuff. We seemed to have adopted a very odd tactic - Silvestri 
> kicking the ball, ball from hand and deadballs, very wide to the left hand 
> side. This was an old Leeds tactic and was successful for a few seasons, but 
> this was when we had Speed or Bradley Johnson on that side, players who were 
> decent in the air and who tended to have the better of the full back. Today 
> we had Mowatt and Doukara, neither of whom are good in the air coupled with a 
> lack of precision from the keeper, so , surprise surprise it did not bring us 
> any joy.The game settled into a bit of a stalemate with the feeling that 
> first goal would lead to a winning teamLo and behold and an early Easter 
> miracle, we got a corner and Bamba hooked it not over the bar but actually 
> into the net 
 - 
>  a goal, an actual goal from a corner.This rocked them and encouraged us and 
> we were the better team for the rest of the half.A trip to the toilet at half 
> time has probably given me cancer from passive smoking - the smoke haze 
> coming down from the roof to about waist height - it really was bad.We 
> continued the second half where we left the first, a decent display, the 
> better team but mixing decent passages of play with needless errors.Then, 
> game over, well sort of, a corner / free kick to them led to them sending all 
> the team up into our box, a quick break and the ball came to Antenucci, he 
> took it on and ran directly for goal (similar to midweek) his touch in the 
> box let him down and we thought he was going to cross to Doukara in the 6 
> yard bit, but instead he lashed it into the corner,a lovely finish.From then 
> on we controlled things a bit as they huffed and puffed. Wood got his welcome 
> return and Dallas also got a run out.Then on 87 minutes - crime of all 
> crimes, my mate
 s 
>  decided we had to leave to get our pre booked taxi! As we got outside we 
> heard a roar (ok a cheer) followed by some silly music, oh shit, we were 
> going to throw it away, followed by a tannoy saying 6 minutes extra. We, by 
> hook or crook (I do not know) saw that time out and got a win - 3 on the 
> bounce. 
> We should be ecstatic or at least hopeful with that but we aren't. Yes 3 wins 
> in 3 is great but there is no feeling of 'yes, we have it sorted' -we still 
> do not know our best team or formation . Each victory stands very much on its 
> own and all of them could have been defeats (yes , we have lost games that we 
> could have won too) Yes it stops us getting dragged into the relegation scrap 
> and full kudos to Evans but Roll on Hudds next week at home,a game we 
> could and should win, but the last 3 games will have little say in it
> Final comment. No -one is sure why this game was a 12.30 kick off, I have 
> seen some suggestion that it was due to 'misbehaviuor ' by fans last season. 
> 2 things of note, 1 we found a proper old style pub in the town centre that 
> treated us brilliantly. The landlord came over and had a chat with us, sorted 
> us a taxi to the ground and even came outside to make sure we got it ok. 
> Second, after the game I was at the station, when a group of Leeds fans came 
> up to the platform from the tunnel singing 'we are Leeds' . A large number of 
> police on the platform went charging down and formed a cordon and basically 
> grabbed the 'frontline' threatening to arrest them and warning them to be 
> quietNot saying the two were connected (clearly they were not) or that they 
> 'explain' anythin

Re: [LU] QPR

[Phill Shields]

Bless you for your enthusiasm David. As an ST I will be going tonight but as 
usual my main aim is to get as pissed as possible to dull the pain.

Saturday was shocking, I would not be so confident about us avoiding the 
relegation dog fight.
MOT 


> Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 10:38:34 +
> From: nat...@sky.com
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: [LU] QPR
> 
> Hard to get over excited about tonights match - in a way a big game in that 3 
> points will almost certainly guarentee we are staying up (not that relegation 
> is a real possibility)Looking forward to seeing the young lad in nets - heard 
> a lot of very good stuff about him
> Shame that Evans seems to have ruled out the likes of Irwin or youngsters 
> like Stokes etc between now and the end of the season.
> The crowd would appear to be very low tonight so not expecting too much
> We need to win after two bad defeats in 'Yorkshire derbies'
> Dave
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Re: [LU] Never mind Leicester - things looking up at ER ?

[Phill Shields]

I'm certainly waiting to see what is happening with the manager Dave. I'm not 
fat knacker's biggest fan but I do think he deserves more time.
If CL appoints another unproven foreigner, and Zenga comes into that category, 
I will be seriously questioning whether to renew.  

> Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 13:24:43 +
> From: nat...@sky.com
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: [LU] Never mind Leicester - things looking up at ER ?
> 
> According to Adam Pope2,500+ season tickets sold so far say #Lufc compared to 
> 600+ this time last season.
> Seems like fans may be buying into Cellino's "refund if rubbish ST deal" 
> 
> Now he has to back it up with making the right decisions re manager and  
> signings and new contracts - give us all something concrete to hang our hopes 
> on.
> Dave
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Re: [LU] Shez

[Phill Shields]

He was a good player but crap attitude.
I still recall Sheridan throwing his shirt at Wilko when he subbed him when we 
were in the old 2nd division and that was basically, and rightly, the end for 
him. He showed what respect he had for the manager, the shirt, club and fans in 
my view and should not be allowed anywhere near ER.
I had a mate who played for the reserves around the time this tosser played for 
us and the story he tells about him (he is a piss head) are unbelievable. 
Reminder he never kicked a ball for Forest and 1st time Cloughie saw him was 
when he was drinking late at the ground and player poker with the apprentices. 
yes he is a real role model.
He also used to drink in the area where I live and again the same old story.
If you compare his management record with Steve Evans there is absolutely no 
comparison. I am not biggest fan of Evans but he has delivered what was asked 
and in terms of common decency should be given at least another year. We should 
only let him go if we can get in someone better with a proven track record at 
this level (eg Nigel Pearson), it would be a step down appointing Sheridan and 
might just make me decide not to renew this season.
MOT 


> From: richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org
> Date: Tue, 10 May 2016 08:02:36 +0100
> To: nat...@sky.com
> CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: Re: [LU] Shez
> 
> It's a no from me
> 
> 
> 
> > On 9 May 2016, at 21:46, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
> > 
> > I see skybet has John sheridan as odds on to be our next manager
> > Very much in two minds with this, Shez is probably my favourite  ever Leeds 
> > player - so would to love to see him back and doing well
> > Having said that his managerial record is mixed and not one that would 
> > generally get me excited. Also I would hate to see him go down in my 
> > estimation if / when he fails
> > He is probably too long ago to bring back the missing fans in the way that 
> > maybe, Strachan or even Grayson may do
> > It will probably turn out to be a newspaper story only and not happen
> > Dave
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Re: [LU] Brighton V Sheff Wednesday

[Phill Shields]

Rich,
don't agree about Lees mate, he was a car crash at Leeds and reminder he has 
not been a regular for Wednesday lately. When I have watched him he still does 
not boss his opponent and ball watches.
As for Forestieri, to be fair to MC (I know its hard) he bid for him and it 
appears that Watford accepted it but the player was using us to get the best 
deal he could. The player has said himself he didnt choose Wednesday over us 
because when he realised he was going our bid had been withdrawn. Good 
Championship player but Watford soon got rid of him when prompted and based on 
all 90 minutes last night I think it was a sound decision.
If Wednesday go up they basically need 11 new players in my view.
MOT

> From: rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Date: Tue, 17 May 2016 11:00:18 +0100
> Subject: [LU] Brighton V Sheff Wednesday
> 
> Watching the Championship play off as a vaguely pro Brighton,  they were
> pretty unlucky over the 2 legs, but the 2 main conclusions are that we
> shouldn't have let Tom lees go and one of the biggest mistakes of the
> Cellino reign so far was not getting Forestieri in when he had the chance.
> 
>  
> 
> ttfn
> 
>  
> 
> Richard
> 
>  
> 
> I'm cycling 100KM overnight around London in this years' Nightrider Charity
> event! 
> 
> My chosen Charity is Child Bereavement UK, if you would like to sponsor me
> please go to;  
> http://www.virginmoneygiving.com/RichardNaef
> 
>  
> 
>  
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Re: [LU] Brighton V Sheff Wednesday

[Phill Shields]

Rich,
I live in the Barnsley/Sheffield border so I get plenty of feedback from the 
pigs on Lees but they rub it in cos they got him for nowt. 
I know he played a lot up until recently but I thought he had been bombed out 
of their team after being found out. To be fair he played in a poor defence at 
Leeds and I actually do not dislike the kid. I think that Lovrens at Wednesday 
is a decent centre half and maybe playing with him has improved his game. He 
still lacks presence to me though when I have seen him but as you will have 
gathered I didnt rate him at our place.
I didn't watch Friday's game mate. Last night I saw him put in a brilliant ball 
for the Hooper header and he did zip for the rest of the game. I do agree he is 
top dollar for this league though.

Phill
MOT

> From: rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Date: Tue, 17 May 2016 11:51:49 +0100
> Subject: Re: [LU] Brighton V Sheff Wednesday
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> >Rich,
> 
> >don't agree about Lees mate, he was a car crash at Leeds and reminder he
> has not been a regular for Wednesday lately. When I >have watched him he
> still does not boss his opponent and ball watches.
> 
>  
> 
> Bloody hell Phill, you've only gone and made me go onto the wendies website,
> hope you're happy, I feel all dirty.   According to that he's played 36
> games in the league this season and 44 last.  They've let in substantially
> less goals than we have (OK can't all be down to him).  I've only seen him
> in the 2 playoff and I think one of the games against Leeds and he's looked
> pretty steady to me and certainly a better CH than Belusci and far less
> prone to cock ups than Samba.   Wonder if anyone on here knows any wendies
> fans and could ask them, using words of 1 syllable obviously. 
> 
>  
> 
> >As for Forestieri, to be fair to MC (I know its hard) he bid for him and it
> appears that Watford accepted it but the player was >using us to get the
> best deal he could. The player has said himself he didnt choose Wednesday
> over us because when he >realised he was going our bid had been withdrawn.
> Good Championship player but Watford soon got rid of him when >prompted and
> based on all 90 minutes last night I think it was a sound decision.
> 
>  
> 
> He was quiet last night true, but they were playing a less attacking
> formation.   He was much better on Friday night, some of his touches and
> runs were brilliant and although Brighton didn't have their first string CH
> partnership, they had real problems with him.  Even if he is a Championship
> player, that's what we need to get us out.  FWIW my recollection is that MC
> said he'd ended our interest as he didn't have the right mentality!  he's
> scored 15 this season.
> 
>  
> 
> >If Wednesday go up they basically need 11 new players in my view.
> 
>  
> 
> that, I agree with :)  Apart from Forestieri (1st leg) and Wallace they all
> looked pretty ordinary.
> 
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Re: [LU] McCormack sale

[Phill Shields]

World exclusive - Cellino breaks the rules, tomorrow's chip 
paper.
MOT

> From: rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 15:55:29 +0100
> Subject: Re: [LU] McCormack sale
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: Nicholas Armit [mailto:arm...@yahoo.com] 
> Sent: 18 May 2016 15:39
> To: Richard Naef; leeds list
> Subject: Re: [LU] McCormack sale
> 
>  
> 
> Seems odd that this happened two years ago but is now coming up immediately 
> after Cellino has been ruled as not-guilty in the range rover case in Italy.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Nothing about Leeds ever seems strange any more………
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Re: [LU] Evans?

[Phill Shields]

I wouldnt compare what Howe has done with Leicester mate. Generally speaking 
the clubs with most money usually win their league's and thanks to the Russian 
oligarch backing Bournemouth that is why they won the Championship. Don't get 
me wrong the lad is clearly good at his job but it helps he had the biggest 
budget in the league. 
I am surprised (maybe not) that the football authorities have not scrutinised 
the club's accounts for financial fair play because for such a small ground 
they could not sustain their investment based on attendances.
I recall when they bought Callum Wilson they outbid clubs in the Premiership. 

I'm not bitter or anything...

MOT
> From: alec...@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 07:51:09 +1000
> To: m...@leeds-united.net
> CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: Re: [LU] Evans?
> 
> Where can we get an Eddie Howe from? The man's a genius. He has single 
> handedly raised a 4th division club from nothing to premier league survival. 
> Absolutely remarkable. Almost as unbelievable as Leicester winning the 
> league. 
> 
> Cellino has been successful in business. To do that he had to be good at 
> picking people to manage his businesses. Why oh why can he not be good at 
> picking football managers? I guess completely different arena of expertise, 
> but you'd think some knowledge/skill at picking people well would transfer? 
> 
> Unfortunately Cellino now has such a reputation it is very unlikely any 
> decent manager would risk coming to work for him. Cellino is not going to 
> tempt a big name by a big transfer budget, ain't gonna happen. Alas we are 
> left with third tier English managers, or 2nd tier Italians. Not sure which 
> is worse. 
> 
> If only Cellino could find a coaching gem from a South American League or 
> something...
> 
> Cheers
> Alec
> 
> > On 20 May 2016, at 7:34 AM, Alec McQueen  wrote:
> > 
> > Doesn't stop the club announcing his contract is not being renewed and 
> > announcing a new manager with a contract starting on 1st July. Of course in 
> > reality the new manager starts work straight away, and works with Cellino 
> > to identify players he wants. 
> > 
> > Then Cellino ignores him, gets the players Cellino wants, we play badly in 
> > the first 6 games, the new manager is sacked, and we start the merry go 
> > round again 
> > 
> > Prediction for next year... 16th. 3 managers. 
> > 
> > Cheers
> > Alec
> > 
> >> On 20 May 2016, at 1:37 AM, Matt Anderson  wrote:
> >> 
> >> Was roughly the same with rostler last year wasn't it? 
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> 
> >>> On 19 May 2016, at 16:22, Jeremy Adams  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Yes, turns out that seems to be the issue here, contract till June 30th. 
> >>> We're not getting a new manager anytime before then
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> From: Andy Clayton 
> >>> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 9:46:07 AM
> >>> To: David Watson
> >>> Cc: Jeremy Adams; leedslist@gn.apc.org
> >>> Subject: Re: [LU] Evans?
> >>> 
> >>> Hasn't he got a contract until the end of the month (or even June)? He 
> >>> won't be in a hurry to sack him if it's that close to completion.
> >>> 
> >>> Sent from my iPad
> >>> 
>  On 19 May 2016, at 14:36, David Watson  
>  wrote:
>  
>  No news yet. FFS. How long is it going to take? Still?, No hurry eh.
>  Just pre-season games to organise, sign players, sort out players'
>  contracts and some key appointments within the Club to make
>  
>  Sent from my Google Tablet
>  David Watson
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Re: [LU] New signing

[Phill Shields]

Green is fucking useless. This only makes sense if he is backup.


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From: rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk
Date: 06/07/2016 21:30 (GMT+00:00)
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Subject: [LU] New signing

Hello Robert Green!!  Bye bye Marco?

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From: "Matt Anderson" 
To: "Richard Naef" 
Cc: "Leeds List" 
Subject: [LU] incoming
Date: Tue, Jul 5, 2016 17:51

Have been worried about this. If Ross McCormack is now worth £11.5m (he wasn't 
before) how can we hope to compete.

Now teams coming down always struggle at first but last year was the first time 
2 just bounced back with no problem. QPR were always going to struggle. Boro 
spent loads so did Derby.

You can see the same this year with Norwich and Newcastle. Villa might be ok 
due to decent manager and new owners

Can't see with the change in money how we can break the top 10 without £10-20m 
being spent

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> On 5 Jul 2016, at 16:58, Richard Naef  wrote:
>
> We've spent a couple of million - hrrrayyy!
>
> Crystal Palace, a little team in south london have, so far spent £50million,
> they literally can't spend all the money they are getting from the new deal.
> If we don't get up this year and get our snouts into the Premier gravy train
> trough, we're stuffed for ever
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Re: [LU] Optimism from my lad

[Phill Shields]

I'm generally happy with Monk's transfer dealings but Not Green. QPR couldn't 
wait to offload him, QPR ffs!

Can't agree with him being number 1 keeper mate.

MOT



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From: nat...@sky.com
Date: 07/07/2016 10:19 (GMT+00:00)
To: Leeds List 
Subject: [LU] Optimism from my lad

He's clearly identified problems with the team - shit goalkeeper, clown car 
defenders, lack of class in the middle other than Cook, lack of centre forwards 
- and made steps to address them. We had 17 draws last season. If Green and 
Bartley can turn four of those into wins by being solid at the back, and 
Antonsson, Sakho and a fit Wood can turn another four into wins by actually 
scoring goals, then that would have been enough to get us into the playoffs.
I have not checked his stats but, assuming they are true, it does give a little 
bit of hope - turning 8 of 17 draws into wins should not be that hard with a 
few better players than we had. That does of course depend on the new signings 
being better than the old ones
Dave

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Re: [LU] Optimism from my lad

[Phill Shields]

QPR couldn't wait to ditch him. Don't know the bloke just want what's best for 
us. The bloke is always dropping clangers and not better than Silvestri in my 
opinion.

MOT



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From: Richard Naef 
Date: 07/07/2016 10:41 (GMT+00:00)
To: 'Leeds List' 
Subject: Re: [LU] Optimism from my lad

>
> I'm generally happy with Monk's transfer dealings but Not Green. QPR
> couldn't wait to offload him, QPR ffs!
>
> Can't agree with him being number 1 keeper mate.

not sure where you animosity comes from, did he nick a parking space from
you?  He's played in the premier and got promotion from Championship.  OK,
so he fcuked up once for England, but who hasn't?  I think all round he'll
give us a more commanding presence in the box than Marco.

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Re: [LU] PBORO 2 LUFC 1

[Phill Shields]

Wtf was Green doing for the 2 goals. I simply do not understand why Monk has 
brought him in and I very much doubt he will be 1st choice by xmas.



From: Leedslist  on behalf of Ben Thorpe 

Sent: 24 July 2016 19:00
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] PBORO 2 LUFC 1

A few things to add to this..

Murphy - He really was that bad. I lost count of the number of times he passed 
it 2 yards behind Purver, causing him to check back and lose any pace advantage 
we had going forwards. So often in the first half he didn't pick his head up 
and spot Roofe or Taylor as the obvious outball, he just passed it back to 
Bamba or Bartley, the ball went back to Green and hoof. There is absolutley no 
point spending any money on attacking pace and ability with him in the team as 
he negates it all. I hope Monk has sussed him.

Purver - Very small, average pace and looked lacking in any confidence to go 
beyond the half way line, or even be on the ball. Clearly not anywhere near 
ready for the first team. It makes sense that Monk seems to be in the market 
for another RB with Berardi an unknown in terms of his injury, leaving only 
Coyle.

Taylor - Really didn't look bothered. Rarely overlapped until the last 15 or so 
when playing behind Sacko. There was a drinks break after half an hour where 
the whole team headed over to the bench to get instructions. Taylor however got 
thrown a bottle by the linesman on the opposite side of the pitch and stayed 
there on his todd until play resumed. It just didn't look right to me.

Roofe - Good signing.

Antonsson - He's not a target man and with Monk playing a clear 4-2-3-1 
formation spent a lot of time going for headers he had no hope of getting. He's 
far more mobile than Wood though, and never stopped running, so maybe there's a 
partnership there..

Mowatt - Was bang average and certainly not a number 10 which is where he 
played.

Glue factory for Murphy,

Ben

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nat...@sky.com
Sent: 24 July 2016 12:36
To: Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] PBORO 2 LUFC 1

A lot harsher than my TV view but I will give yours more credence since you 
were there and got a much better feel for things and can see things that the TV 
feed missesI do think the addition of Diagouara in midfield and Wood up front 
from the Friday night team could make a big difference (as could the addition 
of Dallas)Get Berardi fit (still got 2 weeks before the season starts) and 
maybe Cooper in place of Bamba and things do look a bit better Pre season games 
are always hard to call and some of the comments on waccoe are laughable - with 
some on there a win and we are best ever , a defeat and none of them are good 
enough !
We just have to have faith in Monk and hope he knows what he is doing - he is 
adamant (in public anyway) that he is in control of things and knows how to get 
a team ready for the game that counts - QPR and that pre-season is just about 
fitness and sorting out formations and partnershipsI must admit I will be 
interested to see the starting XI v Atalanta and , of course, more so when the 
season startsIs 4 3 3 his preferred formation ? The back five pretty much picks 
itself with a choice (when fit) between Cooper or BambaI expect Wood to be in 
the middle up front (on his own in a midfield 5 or middle of a 3)Roofe will be 
on one wing - Dallas on the other ?Then Mowatt in centre midfield with Grimes 
(Murphy) and Diagouara alongisde him ?
So expectGreenBerardi (Coyle)
BartleyCooper (Bamba)Taylor
GrimesMowattDiagoura
RoofeWoodDallas



  From: jezz.thorpe 
 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Sent: Sunday, 24 July 2016, 0:57
 Subject: [LU] PBORO 2 LUFC 1

Green - Better claiming crosses than Silvestri but not a shot stopper.Both 
their goals were shots from outside the D. Purver - long way to go before he's 
a 1st choice. Scared to go to the bye line and cross. Bartley? - big Fecker 
many times couldn't be arsed to run back when up for a corner. Bamba - Still 
error prone. Too many last ditch tackles. Passes out of defence continuously 
short.Taylor - could be arsed in the second half. Probably off out the door 
before new season kicks off.Murphy - still the most useless waste of space in a 
Leeds shirt. Slow to see a pass so always sideways but 2 metres behind his team 
mates. Too fecking slow in thought for this league , too fecking slow for a 
friendly. Grimes - No room for Grimes and Murphy in the same team. Far too 
similar but he's infinitely preferable to that useless twat alongside him.Then 
there's a big gap between Grimes Murphy and the front three. This issueq PBORO 
exploited in the second half enabling them to over run and dominate u
 s.Mowatt - huffed and puffed in the sun. Looked like a fat nacker apart from 
the first 30 mins when scored. Had at least 5 shots on target and should have 
slotted 3 home not just the one. Should have been a better link between th

Re: [LU] outgoing...

[Phill Shields]

I think Taylor is better than Byram. He is a better defender by far and not 
much difference in attacking in my view.


I am gutted that Taylor is leaving and it is basically because he sees nothing 
worth keeping him here. As he has put in a transfer request the club will be 
able to cash in on him but, again, this must be reinvested in the playing 
staff. If we are to compete for promotion we still need quality centre half, 
left back, goalie, holding midfielder player and a proven goal scorer at this 
level.


As things stand the best we can hope for is top half finish because we will not 
get in the play offs.


MOT



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Sent: 02 August 2016 12:58
To: leeds list
Subject: Re: [LU] outgoing...


Not a surprise but a bad day for the teamI think we will miss him a lot more 
than Cook (we never really sorted his most effective position) and Byram (after 
a great first season his form dipped badly and then was played out of position) 
With Taylor and Berardi I really think we had an excellenct full back pairing 
that would have done very well in this division.
I can understand why he is going - we cannot offer Prem football and the wages 
that go with it, and like the others who made the breakthrough he was not 
treated that well.
Anyway lets hope that Hernandez has still got it, Vieira is better than Cook 
and that we find a suitable replacement for Taylor

  From: Richard Naef 
 To: leeds list 
 Sent: Tuesday, 2 August 2016, 13:45
 Subject: [LU] outgoing...

bye bye Charlie..



ttfn



Richard





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Re: [LU] Defence

[Phill Shields]

I think you mean the goalkeeper

🤔

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Glad they have prioritised sorting the defence out.

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Re: [LU] Fulham report

[Phill Shields]

Leeds were totally outplayed from the 1st to last minute last night and there 
should be a criminal investigation into how we got a point.


My biggest concern was how Tom Cairney (ex Leeds of course) dominated the 
midfield and Monk did nothing tactically to address it. Monk was outsmarted 2nd 
half by Rowatt on Saturday and for all of last night's game. I will say that 
Fulham are far and away the best team we have played and based on last night I 
see them being in the promotion battle.


I have a bad feeling that Monk is doing another job like Gary McAllister tried 
at Leeds. The midfield is so lightweight because he wants to play football but 
we can never get the ball back when we lose it, which is often. You need to 
have options, Bridcutt will obviously help here but we need much more than him 
in the middle.


We need a goalie, left back, centre back and striker and not reservists from 
european clubs who have never competed or proven themselves in the Championship.


Going to pig sty on Saturday and expecting the worst.


MOT






From: Leedslist  on behalf of Richard Naef 

Sent: 17 August 2016 10:05
To: leeds list
Subject: Re: [LU] Fulham report

Thanks Dave,  sounds like a little step forward on the long march we have 
embarked on, but lots of work needs to be done on the defence, whether Jansson 
is the answer we'll see but Him and Bartlett look like a better partnership 
than Cooper and Bamba for sure.  How did Taylor perform?  What do you think of 
Ayling?

ttfn

Richard


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> nat...@sky.com
> Sent: 17 August 2016 07:48
> To: Leeds List
> Subject: [LU] Fulham report
>
> Well we came away reasonably happy but only due to a last gasp brilliant
> equaliser by Wood, and to be honest I am not sure we deserved itWe could
> easily have been 3 down at half time after a first 45mins when they were all
> over us. Apart from Antonsson beating his man but failing to beat the
> keeper one on one (v similar to QPR game) and a Wood header that went
> wide and was offside anyway we created nothing really, one cross from
> Dallas did seem to just elude the strikers but how close any of them were to
> it was hard to see.Fulham on the other hand carved us open a few times and
> hit the post, the bar and made Green pull off two saves. Matt Smith  hit the
> bar (2nd half) had a header under pressure from both CBs and went straight
> at Green, and then was through on goal but his lack of pace meant that he
> was soon caught.
> We looked lost but did improve second half without really troubling them.
> Then with 15 mins left they got a corner, we never cleared it from our half
> and then their lad lashed it in from a hard angle. This took the steam out of
> a crowd who had spent the whole second half really trying to lift the team
> and get behind them.
> Then with minutes to go Antonsson slipped between the defenders and put
> in a cross that Wood had to score from but no he headed it into the ground
> and over the bar. Game over we all thought but then another cross came
> in  in injury time and Wood with his back to goal produced a great overhead
> kick and the ball ended in the net. Cue celebrations and releif in the stands
> and an insult from Wood as he cupped his ear to the Kop. Silly boy -OK not
> Mark Aizlewood but not the way to quiten his critics on a day when he was
> rubbish again and when the crowd had really gone to town to try and get
> behind the team So not great and it will take more than Bridcutt to turn
> things around, but there were spells again when we looked half decent and
> given time and a couple more (more than the 9 already brought in) signings
> things could look up. This point will mean that Monk will not be sacked just
> yet and may give Wood some much needed confindence
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Re: [LU] Outs

[Phill Shields]

totally agree Dave. Lazy journalism.


MOT



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Sent: 19 August 2016 09:36
To: Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] Outs

Absolute nonsense if there is any truth whatsoever in these storiesAt the very 
least Monk must be given a full season (and ideally till Christmas next season 
before even considering his position)He has brought in ten players now plus 
Vieira from youth team (and Philips to a certain extent) so how can anyone even 
think of sacking him ?
He needs time to get his ideas across and for them to gel - it is beyond 
ridiculous to allow anyone to bring in lots of players and then not give them 
time
I am pretty ambivalent towards Cellino and am not a member of the TTGM or IMWT 
factions* - he has done lots of stupid things and is clearly off his head at 
times BUT on the other side he does seem to care and has learnt from a lot of 
his mistakes but if he does not give Monk the time he needs, whatever our 
results for a  bit, then I would firmly join the TTGM group
Dave* Time To GO Massimo vs In Massimo we Trust

  From: Alec McQueen 
 To: Matt Anderson 
Cc: Leeds List 
 Sent: Thursday, 18 August 2016, 23:04
 Subject: Re: [LU] Outs

Lose on Saturday and Strike One!

Who's next ya reckon?

Cheers
Alec

> On 19 Aug 2016, at 7:11 AM, Matt Anderson  wrote:
>
>Phil Hay (@PhilHayYEP)
> 18/08/2016, 17:04
> Jesus wept.
> twitter.com/MirrorAnderson...
>
>
> @joshbarrettfc Jesus wept as in this is ridiculous. Dave Anderson is close to 
> Cellino.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 18 Aug 2016, at 19:18, Richard Naef  
> wrote:
>
>>> Phil Hay, the real oracle seems to think its plausible
>>
>> how do you glean that from his tweets?
>>
>> latest;
>>
>> Nobody commenting publicly but people I'm speaking to are playing down the
>> idea that Monk's in trouble already. #lufc
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Re: [LU] Big Sam gone...

[Phill Shields]

Slippery Sam had previous, a leopard doesnt lose its spots



From: Leedslist  on behalf of Andy Brown 

Sent: 27 September 2016 19:56
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Big Sam gone...

He should be donating his 2 months salary to a charity or something.

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> On 27 Sep 2016, at 20:32, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
>
> Southgate getting it for the next 4 games !
> How greedy are these people ? Gets his dream job on £3m a year and still 
> wants to get involved in dodgy dealings - so like Hoddle before him an 
> England manager gets the boot for non football reasons
>
> Dave
>
>
>  From: Richard Naef 
> To: leeds list 
> Sent: Tuesday, 27 September 2016, 20:16
> Subject: [LU] Big Sam gone...
>
> Wonder if they'll come for Monkfish?  ;)
>
>
>
> ttfn
>
>
>
> Richard
>
>
>
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Re: [LU] Big Sam gone...

[Phill Shields]

I don't think we are talking at odds here Betty. I gather Redknapp, Veneables 
Ferguson & Clough were also very traditional.



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Sent: 28 September 2016 11:26
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Subject: Re: [LU] Big Sam gone...

I understood he was always, er "traditional" in his approach too, Phill


On 28/09/2016 12:17, Phill Shields wrote:
> Slippery Sam had previous, a leopard doesnt lose its spots

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Re: [LU] Big Sam gone...

[Phill Shields]

Taggart was also covered in the same documentary with allegations about monies 
he apparently manipulated to his son who was an agent. If you recall he stopped 
doing post match interviews on MOTD as a protest although for some reason he 
never took them to court


I suspect it was stuff like this to prompted the decision by JP Magner to sell 
scum to the Glaziers.

People employed in professional football live on a different planet which is 
also typified by Taggart's actios around breeding rights for that nag Rock Of 
Gibraltar which was probably the final nail in coffin for the paddy owners of 
scum and the nag.

MOT


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On 28/09/2016 12:28, Phill Shields wrote:
>
> I don't think we are talking at odds here Betty. I gather Redknapp,
> Veneables Ferguson & Clough were also very traditional.
>

Our friends at the Torygraph appear to have it in for him:

*http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/26/sam-allardyce-a-career-brushed-with-controversy/*

/"In 2006 he was named in a BBC Panorama programme on transfer deals. It
found that three different Bolton signings involved payments from agents
to Allardyce's son Craig."/

A member of an infamous gang I would say.

Betty
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Re: [LU] 1st half............abysmal

[Phill Shields]

well said Dave, completely agree.



From: Leedslist  on behalf of nat...@sky.com 

Sent: 03 December 2016 22:47
To: Rob Heath; leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] 1st halfabysmal

You miserable set of ..We won against a team that was full of 
Premeirship players and cemented our place in the top 6Not the greatest game or 
performance but 3 very valuable hard earned and deserved pointsWe needed to 
bounce back after the Newcastle game and show that we can do it at home in 
front of a big crowdYes the first half was an awful game of football with no 
shots or chances to either team but we did what we had to do and the fans all 
went home happy and with a belief that this team is going places.
In Janson and Ayling we have players who look like they WANT to be at Leeds - 
something we have not seen since the likes of Hughes and Prutton played above 
themselves by being LEEDS
Roofe got the goal his performances richly deserved and which he needed - let's 
hope it is the first of many for us, the rest of them did what they had to do 
in a hard fought contest.The crowd got behind them and urged them on - for the 
first time since Grayson we all seemed to be together - I compared it to 
Newcastle and Wolves in the 89 promotions season - poor close games that one 
good move and goal settled in our favour (albeit we got a second right at the 
end)
Player for player this is far from the best Leeds United team but they are a 
TEAM and with this mentatlity we can go on and do things.
Not really enough action to do a real report and i expect most of you watched 
it on TV but it does feel like the start of better things and whilst this is an 
easy to forget game we came away with the points in an game of attrition where 
defences were on topenjoy it and do not dwell on the details

Dave

  From: Rob Heath 
 To: "leedslist@gn.apc.org" 
 Sent: Saturday, 3 December 2016, 18:22
 Subject: [LU] 1st halfabysmal

Jeez that was atrocious!

Slight contrast to the Man City/Chelsea game earlier.
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Re: [LU] FT Brighton 2 Leeds 0

[Phill Shields]

Am I the only one who thought it telling that Brighton's whole focus was to put 
balls around Rob Green at any opportunity because of his flapping? I blame him 
for both goals, he simply will not come and deal with balls anywhere near the 6 
yard box.


I suggest that Monk either gives Silvestri a chance or brings in an extra 
keeper in January. Green was on the floor before either penalty takers touched 
the ball on Friday, he is useless.


I realise we are still a project and this is my only criticism of Monk. If 
Green remains in goal rest of the season I cannot see us making the play-offs.


MOT



From: Leedslist  on behalf of Richard Naef 

Sent: 11 December 2016 16:01
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] FT Brighton 2 Leeds 0

Agreed, John, We made a decent fist of it in the second half even with 10
men and the 2nd penalty was soft.  Fans in good voice throughout the match
and deservedly cheered the team off at the end.  I was there in feb when we
were 4 down by half time, even this performance was light years ahead, we
passed the ball well, got into them throughout and made it hard for them.
5th place flatters us, but this is a long term project and we are still
without 3 of our best players.

Best of all, 2000 Leeds fans signing a Wham! song for 20 minutes :)

ttfn

Richard

>
> Appalling but fuck it I still believe we have to get behind the team and
> bollocks to the rest!
>
> Sent from the North
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Re: [LU] FT Brighton 2 Leeds 0

[Phill Shields]

Dave,


I think we need to avoid defeat tomorrow, a draw would not be a disaster but we 
must be looking to beat Brentford on Saturday.


I agree the top 2 are streets ahead for different reasons. If you had promised 
me our current position back in August I would have snapped your hand off. We 
are a project under development and just need to stay in the mix and see what 
ambitions our current/future owners can show in January.


As I said, I like Monk but continuing to select a player who is consistently 
poor sends the wrong message to the rest of the squad. Silvestri deserves  a 
chance based on what he has done when he stepped in for the cup games.


We have really missed that bit of class from Hernandez in my view, cant see 
Bridcutt being ready for tomorrow and I would play Mowatt before Grimes any day 
of the week. Fuck me, I might regret saying this, but I'd play Murphy before 
Grimes.


Phill

MOT



From: nat...@sky.com 
Sent: 12 December 2016 12:00
To: Phill Shields; Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] FT Brighton 2 Leeds 0

I agree that Green has been a real disappointment and a weak link. I would give 
Silvestri a chance, he had his faults but it will be a lot better for him with 
Bartley and Janson in front of him rather than Bellusci and Bamba.
Moscowhite on twitter (one of the square ball writers) did a really good 
explanation of the first penalty and Greens massive part in it , and has done 
screen shots to explain how Green was at fault

Friday was a bad day at the office all round: for me Taylor came out with 
credit as did Vierra but the rest all had a bad game and were second best.

We have the chance in the next 5 days to get things back on track starting with 
Reading tomorrow- so far the top two teams (Newcastle and Brighton) have shown 
why they are top two and beat us reasonably easily ( both with 'help' from 
Green) so we need to show tomorrow that we are a genuine top 6 team and beat 
them.
Follow that with a victory over Brentford on Saturday and things will look good 
again
We need O'Kane and Bridcutt back as soon as possible and we need the crowd to 
keep on believing (it will be interesting to see how many turn up tomorrow and 
Saturday after the big crowds v Newcastle and Villa - have fans returned 
because they believe or is it that they were lured in by the opposition ?)

Looking forward to finding out if we can do it and have some optimism that we 
will indeed get 6 pts from the two games (I fancy Roofe to bag a goal in each 
game)

Dave


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From: Phill Shields 
To: Richard Naef ; "leedslist@gn.apc.org" 

Sent: Monday, 12 December 2016, 10:59
Subject: Re: [LU] FT Brighton 2 Leeds 0

Am I the only one who thought it telling that Brighton's whole focus was to put 
balls around Rob Green at any opportunity because of his flapping? I blame him 
for both goals, he simply will not come and deal with balls anywhere near the 6 
yard box.


I suggest that Monk either gives Silvestri a chance or brings in an extra 
keeper in January. Green was on the floor before either penalty takers touched 
the ball on Friday, he is useless.


I realise we are still a project and this is my only criticism of Monk. If 
Green remains in goal rest of the season I cannot see us making the play-offs.


MOT



From: Leedslist 
mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> on behalf 
of Richard Naef 
mailto:rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>>
Sent: 11 December 2016 16:01
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org<mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>
Subject: Re: [LU] FT Brighton 2 Leeds 0

Agreed, John, We made a decent fist of it in the second half even with 10
men and the 2nd penalty was soft.  Fans in good voice throughout the match
and deservedly cheered the team off at the end.  I was there in feb when we
were 4 down by half time, even this performance was light years ahead, we
passed the ball well, got into them throughout and made it hard for them.
5th place flatters us, but this is a long term project and we are still
without 3 of our best players.

Best of all, 2000 Leeds fans signing a Wham! song for 20 minutes :)

ttfn

Richard

>
> Appalling but fuck it I still believe we have to get behind the team and
> bollocks to the rest!
>
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Re: [LU] FT Brighton 2 Leeds 0

[Phill Shields]

If he was told to occupy the space between the back four and half way line, 
keep taking the ball off the centre half's and pass it straight to the 
opposition I agree he did OK.

I have seen nothing from him yet that makes me think he is a good signing.



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.


 Original message 
From: Richard Walker 
Date: 12/12/2016 17:42 (GMT+00:00)
To: Phill Shields 
Cc: Leeds List , nat...@sky.com
Subject: Re: [LU] FT Brighton 2 Leeds 0

I actually thought Grimes showed a bit of intent when he came on Friday. I 
don't think we've seen the best of him yet ( the understatement of the year).

> On 12 Dec 2016, at 16:28, Phill Shields  wrote:
>
> Dave,
>
>
> I think we need to avoid defeat tomorrow, a draw would not be a disaster but 
> we must be looking to beat Brentford on Saturday.
>
>
> I agree the top 2 are streets ahead for different reasons. If you had 
> promised me our current position back in August I would have snapped your 
> hand off. We are a project under development and just need to stay in the mix 
> and see what ambitions our current/future owners can show in January.
>
>
> As I said, I like Monk but continuing to select a player who is consistently 
> poor sends the wrong message to the rest of the squad. Silvestri deserves  a 
> chance based on what he has done when he stepped in for the cup games.
>
>
> We have really missed that bit of class from Hernandez in my view, cant see 
> Bridcutt being ready for tomorrow and I would play Mowatt before Grimes any 
> day of the week. Fuck me, I might regret saying this, but I'd play Murphy 
> before Grimes.
>
>
> Phill
>
> MOT
>
>
> 
> From: nat...@sky.com 
> Sent: 12 December 2016 12:00
> To: Phill Shields; Leeds List
> Subject: Re: [LU] FT Brighton 2 Leeds 0
>
> I agree that Green has been a real disappointment and a weak link. I would 
> give Silvestri a chance, he had his faults but it will be a lot better for 
> him with Bartley and Janson in front of him rather than Bellusci and Bamba.
> Moscowhite on twitter (one of the square ball writers) did a really good 
> explanation of the first penalty and Greens massive part in it , and has done 
> screen shots to explain how Green was at fault
>
> Friday was a bad day at the office all round: for me Taylor came out with 
> credit as did Vierra but the rest all had a bad game and were second best.
>
> We have the chance in the next 5 days to get things back on track starting 
> with Reading tomorrow- so far the top two teams (Newcastle and Brighton) have 
> shown why they are top two and beat us reasonably easily ( both with 'help' 
> from Green) so we need to show tomorrow that we are a genuine top 6 team and 
> beat them.
> Follow that with a victory over Brentford on Saturday and things will look 
> good again
> We need O'Kane and Bridcutt back as soon as possible and we need the crowd to 
> keep on believing (it will be interesting to see how many turn up tomorrow 
> and Saturday after the big crowds v Newcastle and Villa - have fans returned 
> because they believe or is it that they were lured in by the opposition ?)
>
> Looking forward to finding out if we can do it and have some optimism that we 
> will indeed get 6 pts from the two games (I fancy Roofe to bag a goal in each 
> game)
>
> Dave
>
>
> 
> From: Phill Shields 
> To: Richard Naef ; "leedslist@gn.apc.org" 
> 
> Sent: Monday, 12 December 2016, 10:59
> Subject: Re: [LU] FT Brighton 2 Leeds 0
>
> Am I the only one who thought it telling that Brighton's whole focus was to 
> put balls around Rob Green at any opportunity because of his flapping? I 
> blame him for both goals, he simply will not come and deal with balls 
> anywhere near the 6 yard box.
>
>
> I suggest that Monk either gives Silvestri a chance or brings in an extra 
> keeper in January. Green was on the floor before either penalty takers 
> touched the ball on Friday, he is useless.
>
>
> I realise we are still a project and this is my only criticism of Monk. If 
> Green remains in goal rest of the season I cannot see us making the play-offs.
>
>
> MOT
>
>
> 
> From: Leedslist 
> mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> on behalf 
> of Richard Naef 
> mailto:rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>>
> Sent: 11 December 2016 16:01
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org<mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>
> Subject: Re: [LU] FT Brighton 2 Leeds 0
>
> Agreed, John, We made a decent fist of it in the second half even with 10
> men and the 2nd penalty was soft.  Fans in good voice throu

Re: [LU] Tonight

[Phill Shields]

Green, or as I call him "Flappy", only had one thing to do last night, in the 
last minute when Pontus had to bail him out.


He is fucking useless.


I thought we smoked cigars last night and Stam is an idiot if he thinks a team 
deserves something based on passing the ball across the back 4 despite losing 
for most of the game.


MOT



From: Leedslist  on behalf of {broken-address} 
Richard Walker 
Sent: 14 December 2016 13:07
To: {broken-address} Richard walker; Richard Naef
Cc: leeds list
Subject: Re: [LU] Tonight

Some more thoughts:
Roofe - after a couple of decent games I  thought he was poor last night. He 
doesn't look to have the stature / presence or the legs to really threaten 
defences.
Bartley - I thought he was ok but I think recently he's looked a bit more like 
Sol Bamba than his earlier performances. Still solid though.
Doukara - I thought he really struggled in what was basically a midfield role. 
When he went up front on his own he won more headers than Wood has won all 
season but was pretty ineffective (apart from his excellent pen).
Mowatt - I hate slapping this guy down but I think last night really exposed 
his limitations. He came on and was asked to chase up front and close down 
Reading. He couldn't do it and within 10 minutes he was blowing out of his 
arse. I felt really sorry for him as people around me really gave him dogs 
abuse. I think you have to be realistic though and say he aint gonna make it in 
a top championship team. For me he's a bit like Mcphail in that he's got a nice 
left foot but to be effective he needs to be playing in a midfield full of 
runners who can cover. Mcphail had Bowyer and co.
Green - made a couple of really good saves but he doesn't fill me with 
confidence when he's flapping around his area. He did one bad kick which the 
Kop got on to him for and he lifted his finger up to indicate it was his only 
mistake. Fair play.


  From: {broken-address} Richard walker 

 To: Richard Naef 
Cc: leeds list 
 Sent: Wednesday, 14 December 2016, 7:28
 Subject: Re: [LU] Tonight

This was classic Ali v Foreman stuff. We absorbed all their pressure and they 
had loads of it and then hit them on the counter. If this was Monk's strategy 
from the off in a home game then I'd give him manager of the year now. I 
suspect we came up against a better footballing side ( a much better) and had 
to defend and chase like mad and feed off scraps on the break.

Our defence is very well organised now and with Vierra and Bridcutt sat in 
front like2 little terriers , Reading had to be content to just pass it around 
without making much progress. Our fans were actually holaying their passes such 
their ineffectiveness.

I was however surprised to hear Adam Pope on RL on the drive home saying we had 
taken apart with perfect performance - that is really stretching it and for 
that to be true you have to believe in the Ali v Foreman strategy and I don't 
think we would ever set out to defend at home like we did tonight.

Best players - Jansson - immense, his block on the line in the 94th minute and 
his reaction to the South Stand was true hero stuff. He is the best defender we 
have had since the Premier League. The Wham song however is a total 
embarrassment.

Dallas - ok I'm still not sure what position he plays in but he looked sharp 
and full of energy and helped us get them in the break.

Sacko - if he had a brain he'd be lethal but again he was crucial to us 
breaking with pace. Scared them to death and make Wood's goal.

Vierra - love this kid, ran all day and still wanted more. He's our best 
midfielder.

Bridcutt - looked a little leg heavy but he grew into the game and I like him 
because he does all the simple stuff really well like break up play and get 
moves going. Great little player.

Grimes - yes I said it against Brighton, I think he has more to offer and he 
showed it when he came on last night. He's got a bit of grit about him and he's 
got a nice left foot. I think he will challenge for that left midfield place.

Sent from my iPad

> On 13 Dec 2016, at 21:46, Richard Naef  
> wrote:
>
> I think Monkfish has us actually playing as a team, sum better than its
> parts?
>
> ttfn
>
> Richard
>
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Richard Walker [mailto:richleed...@yahoo.co.uk]
>> Sent: 13 December 2016 21:41
>> To: {broken-address} Richard Walker
>> Cc: Richard Naef; leeds list
>> Subject: Re: [LU] Tonight
>>
>> We've been second best all over the park but still win 2-0 - they are a
> really
>> hard team to play against - great character from us.
>>
>> Doing it against Villa I thought was a fluke but doing it again tonight
> just
>> can't be.
>>
>> Strong defence from us
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On 13 Dec 2016, at 21:34, {broken-address} Richard Walker
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> I bet - fucking penalty come on
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On 13 Dec 2016, at 21:30, Richard Naef > computers.co.uk> wrote:

>>>

[LU] Half Season Tickets

[Phill Shields]

A mate of mine is looking to buy one. These are usually announced by now, 
looking like Leeds are not going to do one this season.


Anyone heard anything please?


MOY
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Re: [LU] Lierse SK

[Phill Shields]

I remember it mate. I recall that The Don put out a side full of reserves and 
it back fired.
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Re: [LU] Lierse SK

[Phill Shields]

I remember it mate. I recall that The Don put out a side full of reserves and 
it back fired.
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Re: [LU] RIP Dave McAdam (1923-2017)

[Phill Shields]

RIP Dave.


Thank you to Betty and Thirkers.



From: Leedslist  on behalf of John Boocock 

Sent: 19 April 2017 12:52
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: [LU] RIP Dave McAdam (1923-2017)

Dear All,

Spoke to Thirkers yesterday and he asked me to share the following with
you all.

Another name from Leeds United gone to the great changing room in the sky.

Betty

RIP Dave McAdam (1923-2017)

Dave McAdam was a very unlucky young man whilst at Leeds United. He was
signed by Frank Major Buckley who was renowned as a very hard
task-master. Dave played twenty consecutive games for Leeds and showed
great promise during this period, playing in the half-back line
alongside, the Great John Charles and skipper Tommy Burden. In the last
of these twenty games Dave sustained a severe injury after a spell out
of the side on the injured list. he regained his positionand played just
four more games only to suffer the recurring knee injury. In the end the
manager told Dave if it didn’t clear up he would have to leave the club.
The injury didn’t clear and Dave was transferrred to Wrexham.

His record at Leeds states: Half-Back. Born Hereford, 3rd April 1923.
Debut v Tottenham Hotspur (a) Division Two, 13th September, 1948, Drew
2-2. He was 5’ 10” and weighed 10stone 4lbs (1949). McAdam was plucked
from none League football by Frank Major Buckley and enjoyed a brief
spell with Leeds United.

He attended Abingdon Council School, Berkshire and went into the Army in
1941, serving with the 1st Battalion Wiltshire Regiment, in India, Burma
and the North West Frontier. He played football at battalion level and
on demob in September 1946 worked at the Branston Ordnance Depot near
Burton upon Trent. He joined Stapenhill WMC and was spotted by Major
Buckley. Within months he was in the Leeds first team but due to injury
moved to Wrexham in May 1950. After a year there, he spent ten years at
Burton Albion before joining Matlock for four years, helping to run the
reserves before returning to Stapenhill.
League App 24 Goals 0

I have had the pleasure of knowing Dave for a few years now and the
photographs on my web page
(http://www.thirkersleeds.co.uk/page9/page9.html and at
http://www.ozwhitelufc.net.au/players_profiles/M/McAdamDF.php) were
given to me by him. We have visited each other's homes and I must say
Dave was a really lovely bloke, his wife Lal and daughter Susan are just
as nice and are a super family. There are photographs below of one of
those meetings. At this particular get-together at Dave’s home, my wife
Jean and I took another great friend with us, Harold Williams who played
over 200 games for Leeds United and features in the photographs just
mentioned. More pictures at http://photobucket.com/davemcadam

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Re: [LU] Becchio - the players' player ?

[Phill Shields]

Yeah Colin was clearly planning to dump him. That's why he offered him a new 
contract and to make him our highest paid player.

All 3 managers picked him regularly. Your argument about his goal scoring is 
because he has played so many games.

Richard Walker  wrote:

Another thing Dave. I don't modern day footballers give a toss about anything 
other than money. Lets face it, why would you sign for Norwich? They're odds on 
for relegation this season so LB would find himself back in League 1 soon.

I'm still not convinced he'll go.

On 30 Jan 2013, at 21:14, David Nattan  wrote:

> I very much doubt it - but if I had 3 of his ex team mates in my current team 
> I would certainly ask their opinion and take (some) note of it
>
> If you were a player at Norwich and had played for Leeds with Becchio would 
> you just go ahead and let  the manager to sign him or tell him what you 
> thought of  him ?
>
> Whatever your thoughts, 3 of our managers have picked him pretty much all the 
> time and now a manager with 3 of our ex stars is buying him. So genuine 
> football people must see something in him
> dave
>
> On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 6:54 PM, Richard Walker  
> wrote:
>> Dave, you've watched Becchio play - if you were a PL manager would u sign 
>> him.
>>
>>
>> On 30 Jan 2013, at 17:57, David Nattan  wrote:
>>
>> > Something that has just struck me about Becchio to Norwich is that fact
>> > that Howson, Snoddy and Johnson are already there. Presumably therefore the
>> > manager has asked these 3 about Becchio and his strengths / weaknesses etc
>> > If any (or certainly if more than one) of them had similar views to Rich W
>> > and others on this list, I would not have thought they would still be
>> > getting him ?
>> >
>> > Dave
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Re: [LU] Becchio - the players' player ?

[Phill Shields]

Happy to just leave it at that.

Richard Walker  wrote:

I think we're going round in circles - he is shit and we will see how things 
pan out.

On 30 Jan 2013, at 21:56, Phill Shields  wrote:

> Yeah Colin was clearly planning to dump him. That's why he offered him a new 
> contract and to make him our highest paid player.
>
> All 3 managers picked him regularly. Your argument about his goal scoring is 
> because he has played so many games.
>
> Richard Walker  wrote:
>
> Another thing Dave. I don't modern day footballers give a toss about anything 
> other than money. Lets face it, why would you sign for Norwich? They're odds 
> on for relegation this season so LB would find himself back in League 1 soon.
>
> I'm still not convinced he'll go.
>
> On 30 Jan 2013, at 21:14, David Nattan  wrote:
>
>> I very much doubt it - but if I had 3 of his ex team mates in my current 
>> team I would certainly ask their opinion and take (some) note of it
>>
>> If you were a player at Norwich and had played for Leeds with Becchio would 
>> you just go ahead and let  the manager to sign him or tell him what you 
>> thought of  him ?
>>
>> Whatever your thoughts, 3 of our managers have picked him pretty much all 
>> the time and now a manager with 3 of our ex stars is buying him. So genuine 
>> football people must see something in him
>> dave
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 6:54 PM, Richard Walker  
>> wrote:
>>> Dave, you've watched Becchio play - if you were a PL manager would u sign 
>>> him.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 30 Jan 2013, at 17:57, David Nattan  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Something that has just struck me about Becchio to Norwich is that fact
>>>> that Howson, Snoddy and Johnson are already there. Presumably therefore the
>>>> manager has asked these 3 about Becchio and his strengths / weaknesses etc
>>>> If any (or certainly if more than one) of them had similar views to Rich W
>>>> and others on this list, I would not have thought they would still be
>>>> getting him ?
>>>>
>>>> Dave
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Re: [LU] LOTSA

[Phill Shields]

I was gutted we didn't get him. We are crying out for a winger and every time 
he has played against us, Cardiff or Birmingham, he has played well.

If we had got him there would have been some hope of making the play offs. I am 
happy with the Morrison deal but the signings of Warnock and Habibou will have 
no impact at all.

The season is over for us now.

Matt Anderson  wrote:

We were linked but so were others.  Allegedly someone had a £600k bid
rejected then they sold and loaned Butland so they weren’t so desperate.

It's tough to judge on one performance but has he been that good for Brum?

On the note of ambition we need to give GFH a good chance as the transfer
window was a lot better than previous years,  we got a free £2.9m striker
plus cash for an old carthorse.

I do remember (possibly from an Israeli direction but not 100% sure so
apologies if not) some stinging criticism when Forest were taken over by
that Kuwaiti nut job who has proved a roaring success so far! It should have
been us and so forth!






-Original Message-
From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On
Behalf Of Richard Naef
Sent: 07 February 2013 11:16
To: 'leeds list'
Subject: [LU] LOTSA

Chris Burke's display for scoatland last night showed what little ambition
GFH really have.  He could have been bought for a reasonable amount and
looks to be a proper winger.

3

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Re: [LU] Kenny

[Phill Shields]

I think Kenny gave away a needless corner for their second mate.

Robert Heath  wrote:

Just watched the goals on Daily Motion (
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xxefcj_wolves-2-v-2-leeds-09-02-2013_sport?search_algo=2#.URck6VQcIy4)..can'treally
see how any blame can be attached to Kenny for either of the goals.
Great finish by Varney.
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Re: [LU] Two must win games

[Phill Shields]

How much more of this shit must we put up with? That lot have been pointless in 
2013 until they play us!

Dr Michael Benjamin  wrote:

Net result --- one point
Way to go
Bloody idiots.


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[LU] Last Night

[Phill Shields]

Have to say I am surprised at some of the euphoria exhibited on the list about 
last night. There were plenty of things that pleased me but I think we are so 
used to dining on scraps that when a scabby chip is delivered we think its 
scampi!

The real difference between the two teams was our defence who played excellent 
and theirs who didn't. The two goals they gave us were shocking defending.

I am surprised at the stats on our possession because they outplayed us in 
midfield for long parts of the game. Morison and McCormack looked really good 
together though - Colin played a 4-3-3 which made for a very open game which we 
could easily have lost.

The amount of times that Warnock (Steven) aimlessly knocked long balls to no 
one, seriously I lost count, and we look v vulnerable for any set plays in our 
area. Varney man of the match? He missed a header from one yard out last night 
stood in the middle of the goal. He can't pass a ball more than five yards and 
when he beats a man he usually knocks it straight into touch. FFS the fans have 
even created a song taking the piss out of him. How Colin can play him before 
Diouf, says it all really.

I"ll start getting excited when our dreadful away form improves, it can't get 
worse can it.

Well done GFH on ticket pricing last night, good to see less spaces in ER.

Half Full Phill
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Re: [LU] wear white at ER ?

[Phill Shields]

If you read the small print Dave not many of us pot bellied beer monsters will 
be getting these cheap shirts!

David Nattan  wrote:

I have only just stopped taking the p*ss out of the Geordies and their
pathetic 'French Day' to find that we are trying to get all our fasn to
wear white v Huddersfield !

I used to make fun of England fans who would spend their time writing on
Englandfans forum trying to find out what colour the team were playing in
the next match so they could wear the correct colour (red / white)

Like many I do enjoy watching the Dutch when  they are all in orange and
think it looks impressive but I do not like the idea of us doing it

Dave
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Re: [LU] Becchio Watch

[Phill Shields]

I'm not commenting on Becchio because he doesn't play for us any more.

The point has been made, if this is the best team we have had for ages we are 
truly f@cked.

Only difference between the two teams yesterday were the penalties. We 
certainly didn't dominate the game and as the home team did no where near 
enough to deserve the victory.

As for us now playing decent football I really am at a loss. Out midfield has 
no quality and certainly don't dictate games. We started very sloppily 
yesterday and should have been 2 down in the first 15 minutes. They hit the 
post from a move that came from a throw in.

If Warnock is no longer looking at loan players he should give Hall a game. 
There is no point playing Morison if he is not going to get some service. 
Varney is not a winger, I'll be diplomatic and say no more about Reg.

Results against Leicester & Palace are irrelevant cos this lot will not make 
the play offs.

We need to get rid of Colin now and start planning for next season now.

MOT

Phill

Paul Cundell  wrote:

Naefy wrote:

> Poyet will almost
certainly stay with Brighton whatever happens as he has been promise dmore
money and is by nature a loyal man.

Don't think Bates considers him loyal and as long as Bates is involved Poyet 
won't be coming back.




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[LU] 1-0 Byram

[Phill Shields]

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Re: [LU] 2 points thrown away and our play off place with them

[Phill Shields]

I didn't go last night but listened to the commentary. I'm afraid there was an 
air of inevitably about their equaliser from 25 minutes before the end.

Sat deeper and deeper inviting them on. Morison clearly having a mare. We have 
probably fastest back 4 in the league and sat on edge of penalty area? Colin 
finally takes off McCormack who seemed to be holding up ball well and throws on 
Pearce. The latter then fails to pick up the goal scorer.

How many points have we thrown away from set plays and/or in the latter stages 
of games? Commentator said last night we haven't scored in 1st half (away 
games?) for yonks??

What the f@ck does Colin actually do with them in training?

V pissed off, Warnock out!

Phill





David Nattan  wrote:

Another injury time goal and another centre back with a header !! Why can
we never learn ?

It was 3 points in the bag and we just cannot hold on - Wolves re-visited
1-1

Dave
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Re: [LU] 2 points thrown away and our play off place with them

[Phill Shields]

I get bringing a defender on Richard but unless there is an injury you do not 
put on subs for corners. Pearce will of course carry the can for the late goal 
but that is harsh because he was hardly up with the pace of the game.

Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 15:31:45 +
From: richleed...@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: Re: [LU] 2 points thrown away and our play off place with them
To: phillshie...@hotmail.com; nat...@sky.com
CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org

Agree there was nothing more inevitable than that 94th minute goal. Even Thom 
Kirwin and Eddie sort of accepted it and immediately started talking about how 
good a point it was. That pissed me off even more.  I think bringing on another 
defender for the last minutes is not a good idea even though on the face of it, 
it seems sensible in terms of another defensive body.  It did sound we were 
sitting deeper and deeper but that's to be expected from a team with our 
defensive record winning at the team with one of the best home records.  On the 
plus side, we are competing, making lots of chances (if not coverting) and 
playing some football. That's a definite
 improvement. 
From: Phill Shields 
 To: David Nattan  
Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
 Sent: Wednesday, 6 March 2013, 13:53
 Subject: Re: [LU] 2 points thrown away and our play off place with them
   
I didn't go last night but
 listened to the commentary. I'm afraid there was an air of inevitably about 
their equaliser from 25 minutes before the end.

Sat deeper and deeper inviting them on. Morison clearly having a mare. We have 
probably fastest back 4 in the league and sat on edge of penalty area? Colin 
finally takes off McCormack who seemed to be holding up ball well and throws on 
Pearce. The latter then fails to pick up the goal scorer.

How many points have we thrown away from set plays and/or in the latter stages 
of games? Commentator said last night we haven't scored in 1st half (away 
games?) for yonks??

What the f@ck does Colin actually do with them in training?

V pissed off, Warnock out!

Phill





David Nattan  wrote:

Another injury time goal and another centre back with a header !! Why can
we never learn ?

It was
 3 points in the bag and we just cannot hold on - Wolves re-visited
1-1

Dave
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Re: [LU] Becchio

[Phill Shields]

Mr Walker needs counselling with his LB obsession. Stopped reading his stuff 
now. I don't give a flying f@ck about ex players.

BOYES Philip  wrote:


I agree with Rich even though I cheered all his goals, I thought Becchio
was lucky that pundits believed the hype that surrounded him and that's
what got him his move to Norwich
But some of the mails lately on the list are just attacks on Rich, which
is sad

Phil
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Re: [LU] non lu - Darren Gough

[Phill Shields]

Oh yes, he is a yid.

I live in Barnsley now and locals hate him. Two faced c@nt.

David Nattan  wrote:

Just seen a bit in the Sun online with Darren Gough going on about his love
of Barnsley FC and claiming to have been a fan since the age of 10
I am sure that when Gough first hit the scene he was a Spurs fan ? I am
sure that was the case because I remember thinking I hope he is a Leeds fan
?
I know Hussein claimed to be a big Leeds fan but is now Chelsea (and takes
stick off Bumble for his 'turn coat' antics

Can anyone confirm I am right about Gough and Spurs

Dave
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Re: [LU] Fergie baiting

[Phill Shields]

Nick,

You must be a masochist! Enjoying watching Leeds get run ragged by the division 
rubbing rags.

At least it will stop all the stupid talk about us making the playoffs.

Phill

n...@6haroldplace.co.uk wrote:

Despite all the doom and gloom on the list this morning, I really enjoyed last
night's game - lots of action - goal mouth scrambles - the last 20 minutes like
basketball, up our end then down their end - shame we couldn't pinch another.

First 20 minutes - they murdered us - hit the woodwork and scored - our defence
and midfield getting massively overrun - then for the next 50 or so we were
dominant...Diouf made a huge difference in 2nd half.

Funny thing about Colin, he's gone from one extreme to the other - always
changing line-ups, to refusing to change line-ups even if the player is
half-dead (Morison, Lees and Paddy?).

Leaving the ground I overhear "well o' course you're not going to bloody score
if you sell your leading striker..." completely ignoring the fact that we had
scored...I laughed in his face.

Mind you I had been in the pub for a while before the game...
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Re: [LU] Clayton

[Phill Shields]

Clayton still managed to run rings round Tonge. Not difficult that though.

Richard Walker  wrote:

Forgot to mention Adam Clayton and is completely Ott celebrations at the final 
whistle. I thought he had a fairly poor game and he got involved a bit too much 
for my liking off the ball. Diouf told him to shut up and Clayton was gesturing 
to Diouf that they should sort it out after the match - my money would be on 
Diouf with a first round knockout.

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Re: [LU] Brian McDermott

[Phill Shields]

So is Ryan Hall who plays for both teams :-)

Leslie Phillips  wrote:

New Leeds United manager is Brian McDermott .
Rhinos coach is Brian McDermot
He is going to be a busy man!

Les



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Re: [LU] Shed

[Phill Shields]

Quality and good call Betty.

This is Mark Jackson's Criminal Waste of Talent (MJCWOT). Hoyland Common's 
finest and answer to John Cooper Clarke. My ex neighbour and pal. Also 
recommend Dumped By Text & There's always a queue at Greggs. Available on CD.

MOT

John Boocock  wrote:

You'll like this if you are from Yorkshire:

http://youtu.be/cZR32h0j_3w

Betty
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Re: [LU] Its all Becchio's fault!

[Phill Shields]

This says more about Warnock than Becchio in my view but of course you wouldn't 
see that Rich.

He bemoans the "cancer" in the club and that he "over achieved" at Leeds. What 
a total cunt he is.

MOT

Richard walker  wrote:

Pours more fuel on the fire regarding Becchio's loyalty (or lack of). The first 
hint of a move (December and to Turkey )and he wanted to go and then he doesn't 
try in games and kisses the badge when scored against Chelsea. Bleeding 
disgraceful. His appearances should be struck off our club records and he 
should never be allowed back in Leeds again.

A rubbish player who has struck gold but ultimately has been found out.

Cost less than Berbotov and scores more goals 

Sent from my iPad

On 7 Jun 2013, at 13:46, "Richard Naef"  wrote:

> Seems like poor old Neil, despite his 10 million years' managerial
> experienced was outfoxed by Becchio, who "held a gun to his head" and
> Warnock was too scared to call his bluff!
>
>
>
> Surely if he was as crap as you all think he'd have missed?
>
>
>
> http://bit.ly/194kC0c
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>
>
>
>
> ttfn
>
>
>
> Richard
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Re: [LU] Its all Becchio's fault!

[Phill Shields]

Rich,

He is no better or worse than the rest of em mate. Howson  wasted no time 
jumping ship and as for Gradel. Little twat nearly cost us promotion by getting 
sent off against Bristol Rovers then celebrating after game like nothing 
happened. All footballers are the same. Kiss the badge one minute and out the 
door as soon as a better offer is on the table.

Good luck to Becchio, he is a striker and he bagged some goals for us. I don't 
mind him making a few bob at Norwich's expense. Might make em think twice 
before nicking more of our players eh.

I am heartily sick of Colin looking for sympathy and making more excuses about 
the woeful job he did for us.

Phill

MOT

Richard walker  wrote:

Phil,

Agree , he is a cunt but he is no bullshitter and the revelation that as early 
as December Becchio was looking for a move is a big one in my opinion. Kissing 
the badge after the Chelsea goal - I paid £35 to watch that game. How do I feel 
as a fan knowing that our Leeds hero was actually trying everything he could to 
manufacture a move away from the club I love?

Well actually Phil, it was no surprise to me because I know that Becchio is a 
fraud not only because he kidded the Leeds fans he cared when he was only in it 
for himself. Leeds had given him the biggest opportunity of his life and he 
wasn't going to waste it. Playing in the third division with the likes of 
Beckford, Snodgrass, Howson, Gradel etc is a strikers dream, Beckford nearly 
bagged 40 and to his credit Becchio got his arse on to a few and managed to get 
a few - not 20 though. Lets face it questions should have been asked at that 
point (I did) , how can any striker not score 29 in that environment.

Then we got promoted and hit gold in season without Beckford. Snodgrass and 
Gradel were n fire and he managed to scrape 20 but then he ruined it with a 
woeful season when he just managed to bag double figures . But he'd been 
injured and that was a great excuse.

Then he got the job as pen taker and on the back of that and a load of 
misguided media praise he bagged his big money move to Norwich,

He then got found out and will never score a goal in the PL, unless given a pen.

He got his money though, so good luck to his family,

But for me he's a crock of shit and the biggest waste of space I've ever had 
the misfortune to have to payto watch.

Lets see how his career pans out now - does he care probably not , just like 
when he wore the white shirt from December onwards.


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On 8 Jun 2013, at 13:47, Phill Shields  wrote:

> This says more about Warnock than Becchio in my view but of course you 
> wouldn't see that Rich.
>
> He bemoans the "cancer" in the club and that he "over achieved" at Leeds. 
> What a total cunt he is.
>
> MOT
>
> Richard walker  wrote:
>
> Pours more fuel on the fire regarding Becchio's loyalty (or lack of). The 
> first hint of a move (December and to Turkey )and he wanted to go and then he 
> doesn't try in games and kisses the badge when scored against Chelsea. 
> Bleeding disgraceful. His appearances should be struck off our club records 
> and he should never be allowed back in Leeds again.
>
> A rubbish player who has struck gold but ultimately has been found out.
>
> Cost less than Berbotov and scores more goals 
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 7 Jun 2013, at 13:46, "Richard Naef"  
> wrote:
>
>> Seems like poor old Neil, despite his 10 million years' managerial
>> experienced was outfoxed by Becchio, who "held a gun to his head" and
>> Warnock was too scared to call his bluff!
>>
>>
>>
>> Surely if he was as crap as you all think he'd have missed?
>>
>>
>>
>> http://bit.ly/194kC0c
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ttfn
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [LU] Yeboah - Traitor!

[Phill Shields]

Noticed that too. God knows why he still thinks they are. Big club.

Richard Naef  wrote:


>He is no better or worse than the rest of em mate. Howson  wasted no time 
>jumping ship and
>as for Gradel. Little twat nearly cost us promotion by getting sent off 
>against Bristol
>Rovers then celebrating after game like nothing happened. All footballers are 
>the same. >Kiss the badge one minute and out the door as soon as a better 
>offer is on the table.

true.  and on cue out comes an alleged statement that Yeboah yearned for a move 
to Liverpool even while he was scoring some of my favourite ever Leeds goals;

http://bit.ly/11B6Hdf

ttfn

Richard

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Re: [LU] incoming

[Phill Shields]

Only seen him play in big FA cup games for Latics but he gave Liverpool back 
four a torrid time.

Big, brave, can hold the ball and knows where the goal is.

This is a good signing in my view.

Andy Clayton  wrote:

Whatever we do, as a new signing, we shouldn't judge him - we should give
him time, lord knows we don't give that to our new signings...

On 10 June 2013 13:22, Chris Briggs  wrote:

> I hope he doesn't take penalties, whenever he enters the box it always
> looks enormous.
>
> On the plus side, if he is crap another one will be along after chrimbo.
>
> On 10 Jun 2013, at 13:15, "Andy Clayton"  wrote:
>
> Yes - he should be good for making space up front for himself
>
> On 10 June 2013 13:03, Chris Briggs  wrote:
>
>> At 6ft 6 he will make a good tardis man for long balls.
>>
>>
>> On 10 Jun 2013, at 12:56, "Richard Naef" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Brilliant, can't wait for his first game and his chant...
>> >
>> >
>> > "Who Aren't you"
>> >
>> > or perhaps a bit more complicated "Matty Smith - he's here, he's there,
>> he's
>> > every fucking where - outside the normal constraints of Space and Time"
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ttfn
>> >
>> > Richard
>> >
>> > Triumph Computer Services
>> > 01273 505214
>> > 07974870424
>> >
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org]
>> On
>> > Behalf Of Andy Clayton
>> > Sent: 10 June 2013 12:51
>> > To: nat...@sky.com
>> > Cc: leeds list
>> > Subject: Re: [LU] incoming
>> >
>> > Thank you Dave!
>> >
>> > I'm actually less underwhelmed now I know who he is and am actually
>> thinking
>> > positive.
>> >
>> > On 10 June 2013 12:29, nat...@sky.com  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Matt Smith from Oldham on a free (out of contract) He is 6'6" and was
>> >> the one who caused both scouse clubs problems in the cup games -
>> >> scored against them both Apart from that I know little / nowt about
>> >> him
>> >>
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Re: [LU] Burnley report

[Phill Shields]

Dave

Totally agree - Kenny cost us both goals.

Rich

Did you ping Tongue as MOTM in your report to check if listers are paying 
attention? It was clearly a joke,

Phill

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