Re: [LU] Watford

[Robert Heath]

Don't forget that Rothwell had not played a 90 min match, apparently, for 2
seasons before Fri night. Not surprising if he faded a bit.

On Wed, Oct 23, 2024 at 1:22 PM Damian WALSH 
wrote:

> I managed to see about 2/3 of the game via a hit-and-miss streaming
> channel.
>
> I'm glad it's not just me who thought that Solomon wasn't very good - the
> commentary seemed to gloss over his less than positive contribution. I felt
> that he played like he thinks he's far better than he is - a bit of
> humility might bring out the good player that he surely can be.
>
> Tanaka is indeed brilliant, he plays like a French midfielder - 'nuff
> said 😀
>
> I think that Farke made a mistake taking Willy off. For most the 2nd half
> it was only Willy and Tanaka who were still playing for us. I know it
> didn't change the result but I always get the impression that Willy is
> hyper-sensitive and he certainly didn't look happy when walking off.
>
> It was a bit strange the way that Rothwell disappeared in the second half -
> maybe the way that Watford upped their game? Although I think that Rothwell
> looks older than I am and as the camera doesn't lie, he was probably
> completely shagged out after the (veterans match) 40 minute mark...
>
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Re: [LU] Sheff who ?

[Robert Heath]

Every omen and indeed solid trend was against us going into this match, and
I sat down to watch with a deep sense of foreboding...given which,
this was an absolutely BRILLIANT performance and result. Exactly the same
could have been said of the Scumderland match (which
pyschologically speaking was also a win!)

We've now played all the top teams and clearly there is nothing there to
worry us.

Without wishing to jinx anything, I am feeling quietly confident at the
moment.

P.S. Does anybody else think that R/well & Ao are an UPGRADE in midfield?

On Sat, Oct 19, 2024 at 11:10 AM nattan--- via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

> " scored from a corner, we've only scored from a corner"Well that was fun.
> A brilliant performance where we totally outplayed and outclassed the
> supposed best (other) team in the Division.  90 plus minutes without them
> having a shot on target or a chance worthy of the name,  that is pretty
> conclusive.
> Not sure if our defenders were worried about Meslier after the last game
> but they made sure he couldn't make a similar error by not letting
> Sheffield have a sniff
> When we signed Rothwell and indeed when we saw him play it was very much "
> meh " but he was magnificent last night running the show and unlike Gruev
> and Kamara last season , he along with Tanaka , was always looking to drive
> us forward.
> We should have been ahead at the break, Largie had a good shot well saved,
> Gnonto having been given the ball by them should have done better and
> Aaranson had 2 attempts,  the first a snap shot with the keeper out of his
> nets, the second a difficult volley that went over ( he had a 3rd chance,
> easier than the first two, in the second half that he blasted over)They
> offered next to nothing so it was a question of could we break down a
> defence that had had 5 or 6 clean sheets on tbe bounce.
> We relied on our secret weapon - a corner !We had had a few corners that
> brought 2 comments from fans around me - either a sarcastic " great, its a
> corner" or " this is the one" followed by " well maybe the next one will
> be"It did not look like a good kick when Rothwell fired it towards the
> penalty spot at knee height but the big sexy pirate (tm the square ball)
> got ahead of his man and volleyed home - cue amazement and delirium- "get
> in / f me we've scored from a corner."For once after going ahead we kept on
> going rather than shutting up shop, and there was none of the usual panic
> in the crowd, we wanted another but it felt like one was actually
> enough.Then came the icing on the cake, a quick break , Solomon fed Piroe
> who carried it forward and then fed a lovely ball through to Joseph,  who
> despite falling and having a man literally on his back ( like a rucksack)
> he slotted home
> Cue chants aimed at Wilder and general happiness
> We are going up !
> Roll on Tuesday night.My man of the match was Rothwell but it was 8 out of
> 10s all round except Meslier who just gets a chair and a cigar , so easy
> was it for him
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Re: [LU] 2-

[Robert Heath]

"Of note, we've played four of the other five in the top six and have
failed to beat any of them. "

Oooh that's a bit glass half empty!

One could also say we have already visited 3 of the top 5 and are unbeaten
in those games.

On Sat, Oct 5, 2024 at 4:23 PM seanscribe--- via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

>  Whoever told you that the worst we could end up at the end of the weekend
> is 4th is not to be trusted with any sort of responsibility that involves
> mathematics. If West Brom get at least a point, and if Blackburn win their
> game and the 'Boro/Watford game has a winner, we're down to seventh.
> At the time of writing we're 5th in the live table. Of note, we've played
> four of the other five in the top six and have failed to beat any of them.
> We play the only remaining team in that group next.
> Cheers!
> Sean
> On Saturday, October 5, 2024 at 07:46:12 AM EDT, John Lee via
> Leedslist  wrote:
>
>  OK, the final 2 minutes took the gloss off the performance, but otherwise
> it was a very impressive performance against the top of the table side,
> albeit they look a bit crap imho.
>
> Weird things happen re the bounce of the ball, spin, divots etc, and given
> Meslier didn’t lay a finger on the ball suggests some Shane Warne style
> skulduggery in play. Just unlucky, and 99% of other goalies would have
> suffered the same fate - split-second bounce and it’s in! Memories of
> Seaman and the ball bouncing over his arms after hitting a divot!
>
> I’ve never been a big Gnonto fan, but I thought he was excellent last
> night and, somewhat surpringly, kept his cool despite the repeated
> attention he got! I also thought Tanaka and Rothwell did pretty well -
> let’s hope that partnership develops and stays fit! Aaronsen still runs
> around like a headless chicken, panicking both sides in equal measure :-) I
> like him tbh, but him in particular, and others, give the ball away far too
> often for my liking.
>
> I blame not getting 3 points on the overly cautious tactics once we’d got
> the second - they were there for the taking, but once again we didn’t go
> for it - it’s a bad habit, and 1-goal leads often come back to bite you!
>
> I can’t really fathom bringing Joseph on ahead of Bamford. Piroe did ok,
> got a good goal, albeit possibly offside, but Bamford is a far better
> defender at corners, and better at closing men down. I like the look of
> Schmidt in the very brief cameos he’s had so far too.
>
> Someone posted that the worst we can be after the weekend is 4th, so it’s
> not all doom and gloom, despite THAT goal.
>
> Finally, what a joy it was to see all those Wearside maggots slinking out
> after 80 minutes, leaving the stands half empty by the end. They knew
> they’d been tupped!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 5 Oct 2024, at 11:25, nattan--- via Leedslist 
> wrote:
> >
> >  Its a team game so always hard to blame an individual especially for
> one error. Having said that it was a huge mistake and very costly since we
> had no time to change the result Overall Meslier has not been impressive or
> lived up to his early promise.  His saves / goals xg or whatever it us for
> keepers has been one of the worst in the division.  At one point something
> like 16 shots on target from 17 went in the net - not greatThe main problem
> is he is so much better than his would be replacement,  Darlow,  who is
> awful
> > Whether the 2pts from these games is sufficient only time will tell but
> we could and should have won them both so there is lots to be happy about
> especially given our injuries - 2 from 4 wingers out ( hopefully DJ and
> Solomon will be back for Sheff game) and 2 of 4 midfielders out for months
> Heads up and go again in 2 weeks - hoping that the likes of Tanaka and
> Aaronson dont suffer on international dutyDave
> >On Saturday, 5 October 2024 at 08:48:59 BST, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk
>  wrote:
> >
> > Well, we would have taken a draw before kick off, so there’s that. It is
> a good result. First points they’ve dropped at home, I think.
> >
> > And yeah Meslier, something weird happened on the spin / flight of that
> ball…
> >
> > But it’s team sport and if we are blaming him for costing us 2 points
> last night, then we are also blaming Aaronson for the 2 points lost against
> Portsmouth, Solomon for the 2 (at least) lost against Burnley, and Rodon
> against Norwich. Aren’t we?
> >
> > It’s a good result, especially given our suddenly threadbare midfield.
> >
> > Nick
> >
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Re: [LU] Typical

[Robert Heath]

On the plus side, Vowelman (Tanaka) was exce;lent in Ampadu's stead on satdy

On Mon, Sep 30, 2024 at 1:12 PM nattan--- via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

>
> Still in a good mood after the performance and result on Saturday Then
> tune in to listen to DF to hear Ampadu out till January,  Wober out for 6
> weeks, James and Solomon still injured and now joined by Schmidt Every time
> things are looking up, something bursts our bubble
> Would not be so bad if we only had one easy game this week, but no, this
> is leeds so 2 hard away fixtures in 4 days with loads of travelling to boot
> As i say, typical
>
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Re: [LU] Burnley

[Robert Heath]

I agree with Farke really about this match. Let's be honest, Burnley are a
top side at this level, and they only had one chance and that came from a
freak slip, whereas although we didn't muller them, we managed to create
enough chances to have won the game. So I'm not too downhearted.

I'm not 100% happy about having an Israeli in our side, but I suppose you
can't blame an individual for the actions of his nation..and
Solomon did look outstanding I thought. As good as S/ville I might hazard.

On another note, I thought the much-vaunted "Best Fans in the Country" were
pathetic. Apart from a few moribund chants of We Are Leeds and a bit of a
kerfuffle with the ex-ManU kid there was hardly any actual support or
encouragement from the fans (in stark contrast to the Bumley mob.) I've
been saying for years that our atmosphere has gone completely downhill ever
since the so-called hard lads decided to decamp from The Kop to the
Scratching Shed so that they could flick V-signs at the away fans. It has
completely diluted the noise. And the booing at the end - when the players
had the temerity to follow the gameplan and patiently keep the ball in
search of the good opening we desperately needed rather than aimlessly
lumping the ball forward - was an utter disgrace.

Back to the game, I thought all the players performed well with the
exception of Bogle. Not only was he a bit shaky in possession a few times,
but he really didn't handle the game-deciding breakaway very well. He did
the right thing initially to try to split the ball carrier and the central
runner, but once the guy got within 20 yds of goal he should have committed
and closed him down.

On Sun, Sep 15, 2024 at 4:29 PM Mark Tuffey  wrote:

> Both the Gnonto chance and the penalty no-call on Solomon were defense
> splitting passes from Aaronson. Those both result in goals and suddenly
> Aaronson doesn't appear so "ineffective".
>
> Cheers
> Mark
>
> 
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of Kevin Lewis
> via Leedslist 
> Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2024 8:37 AM
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Burnley
>
> Well, this was my first early KO home match for a number of years. I
> remember a couple of home matches v Scum in early 2000s.
>
> Anyway, This meant a 7am start from Oxfordshire, and the consequent hour it
> took to get the last mile to the ground and park, meant we had time for a
> quick burger and piss to get to our seats just as the players were coming
> out.
>
> A very disappointing game had the 3 of us trying to work out what was
> missing.
>
> We agreed that we missed Rutter’s X factor. Not for his end product, but as
> much for his effect on the opposition , and getting the crowd enthused.
>
> We also kind of agreed that we need more progressive play from the midfield
> against teams that plays 6 man defence.  They only needed 2 players to curb
> any attacking intention from Rodon, Struijk , Ampadu and Gruev. Also the
> space these 5 got in deep positions encouraged them to knock the ball about
> aimlessly between themselves.
>
> We agreed that Gnonto looked like Leeds best attacking player and that he
> ought to be tried in the Rutter role with his strength and perseverance.
>
> A more progressive midfielder than Gruev, might also open things up a bit,
> especially at home
>
> We all disagreed on Aaronson.
> I thought he was pretty ineffective, my daughter thought he ran around a
> lot, and my mate “. he put in some good work.
>
> That was kind of it!
>
>
>
>
> .
>
>
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> > Don’t mind losing 0-1 in a tight well played game. This wasn’t one of
> > them. Burnley were bloody awful - pulling, cheating, time-wasting and the
> > ref let them until about 70 minutes.
> >
> > The goal - run 60 yards up the pitch without a challenge - what’s that
> all
> > about.
> >
> > With the exception of Struijk, no one came out of that with any credit.
> >
> > There’s a place for the possession football, 1 down at home in extra time
> > is not it.
> >
> > Fuckin dreadful.
> >
> > Oh and Bogle and Aaronson are still shi

Re: [LU] Farke

[Robert Heath]

😄

On Mon, Aug 19, 2024 at 3:31 PM Damian WALSH 
wrote:

> Just reread the mail
>
>  "{But would he have the heart for a promotion dogfight?}" - he would
> obviously have to pacemaker himself :)
>
> Le lun. 19 août 2024 à 16:20, Robert Heath  a
> écrit :
>
> > Ha! Yeah i thought that as well, but can't see him as a Gordon Strachan
> > figure somehow.
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 19, 2024 at 2:54 PM Damian WALSH <
> damian.wa...@euromaster.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Looks like Sterling will be a readily available marquee signing :)
> >>
> >> OOTL Damian
> >>
> >> Le lun. 19 août 2024 à 15:05, Robert Heath  a
> >> écrit :
> >>
> >> > Damian...with ref to your idea that we should buy another
> >> > Collins or Strachan..YES! Absolutely..except
> >> > getting Collins was a once-in-a-million event, and managing to pull it
> >> off
> >> > AGAIN with Wee Gordie was literally incredible.to ask for
> a
> >> > third time is too much! (Although hang on one
> >> > goshdarned minute.Christian
> >> > Eriksen??!!!..might just work!) {But would he have
> >> the
> >> > heart for a promotion dogfight?}
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Aug 19, 2024 at 8:49 AM Damian WALSH <
> >> damian.wa...@euromaster.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> In the (admittedly few) matches where Gnonto has played more in the
> >> centre
> >> >> than on the wing, I've been impressed. Why can't he play 10? That
> still
> >> >> means that we have to buy wingers but it might work as an incentive
> for
> >> >> Gnonto to stay - "we'll build the team around you son" sort of
> >> thing
> >> >>
> >> >> OOTL Damian
> >> >>
> >> >> Le lun. 19 août 2024 à 07:27, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist <
> >> >> leedslist@gn.apc.org> a écrit :
> >> >>
> >> >> > Whilst Farke is not to blame for the legacy contracts, he should
> >> have at
> >> >> > least been aware of the vulnerability that was there.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > He has been too ready to get rid of fringe players.  Meaning that
> he
> >> >> > actually weakened the squad in the January window and leaves us
> very
> >> >> short
> >> >> > of numbers now.
> >> >> > Even a Poveda or an Anthony on the bench would have enabled
> Aaronson
> >> to
> >> >> > start at 10, which would be better than Piroe.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I’m not that excited about Rowe. As Right footed winger who cuts in
> >> from
> >> >> > the left, he would be just an inferior duplicate of Gnonto.
> >> >> > We actually need a player who is th opposite of that + a number 10.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I’m also fearful that without Rutter and Summerville supplying the
> >> >> bullets,
> >> >> > Joseph is not going to be able to step up.  You could argue that we
> >> need
> >> >> > another centre forward and a journeyman backup to Gnonto as well.
> >> >> > There again if Gnonto buggers off too…
> >> >> >
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Re: [LU] Farke

[Robert Heath]

Ha! Yeah i thought that as well, but can't see him as a Gordon Strachan
figure somehow.

On Mon, Aug 19, 2024 at 2:54 PM Damian WALSH 
wrote:

> Looks like Sterling will be a readily available marquee signing :)
>
> OOTL Damian
>
> Le lun. 19 août 2024 à 15:05, Robert Heath  a
> écrit :
>
> > Damian...with ref to your idea that we should buy another
> > Collins or Strachan..YES! Absolutely..except
> > getting Collins was a once-in-a-million event, and managing to pull it
> off
> > AGAIN with Wee Gordie was literally incredible.to ask for a
> > third time is too much! (Although hang on one
> > goshdarned minute.Christian
> > Eriksen??!!!..might just work!) {But would he have
> the
> > heart for a promotion dogfight?}
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 19, 2024 at 8:49 AM Damian WALSH <
> damian.wa...@euromaster.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> In the (admittedly few) matches where Gnonto has played more in the
> centre
> >> than on the wing, I've been impressed. Why can't he play 10? That still
> >> means that we have to buy wingers but it might work as an incentive for
> >> Gnonto to stay - "we'll build the team around you son" sort of thing
> >>
> >> OOTL Damian
> >>
> >> Le lun. 19 août 2024 à 07:27, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist <
> >> leedslist@gn.apc.org> a écrit :
> >>
> >> > Whilst Farke is not to blame for the legacy contracts, he should have
> at
> >> > least been aware of the vulnerability that was there.
> >> >
> >> > He has been too ready to get rid of fringe players.  Meaning that he
> >> > actually weakened the squad in the January window and leaves us very
> >> short
> >> > of numbers now.
> >> > Even a Poveda or an Anthony on the bench would have enabled Aaronson
> to
> >> > start at 10, which would be better than Piroe.
> >> >
> >> > I’m not that excited about Rowe. As Right footed winger who cuts in
> from
> >> > the left, he would be just an inferior duplicate of Gnonto.
> >> > We actually need a player who is th opposite of that + a number 10.
> >> >
> >> > I’m also fearful that without Rutter and Summerville supplying the
> >> bullets,
> >> > Joseph is not going to be able to step up.  You could argue that we
> need
> >> > another centre forward and a journeyman backup to Gnonto as well.
> >> > There again if Gnonto buggers off too…
> >> >
> >> > KOT
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Re: [LU] Farke

[Robert Heath]

Damian...with ref to your idea that we should buy another
Collins or Strachan..YES! Absolutely..except
getting Collins was a once-in-a-million event, and managing to pull it off
AGAIN with Wee Gordie was literally incredible.to ask for a
third time is too much! (Although hang on one
goshdarned minute.Christian
Eriksen??!!!..might just work!) {But would he have the
heart for a promotion dogfight?}

On Mon, Aug 19, 2024 at 8:49 AM Damian WALSH 
wrote:

> In the (admittedly few) matches where Gnonto has played more in the centre
> than on the wing, I've been impressed. Why can't he play 10? That still
> means that we have to buy wingers but it might work as an incentive for
> Gnonto to stay - "we'll build the team around you son" sort of thing
>
> OOTL Damian
>
> Le lun. 19 août 2024 à 07:27, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> a écrit :
>
> > Whilst Farke is not to blame for the legacy contracts, he should have at
> > least been aware of the vulnerability that was there.
> >
> > He has been too ready to get rid of fringe players.  Meaning that he
> > actually weakened the squad in the January window and leaves us very
> short
> > of numbers now.
> > Even a Poveda or an Anthony on the bench would have enabled Aaronson to
> > start at 10, which would be better than Piroe.
> >
> > I’m not that excited about Rowe. As Right footed winger who cuts in from
> > the left, he would be just an inferior duplicate of Gnonto.
> > We actually need a player who is th opposite of that + a number 10.
> >
> > I’m also fearful that without Rutter and Summerville supplying the
> bullets,
> > Joseph is not going to be able to step up.  You could argue that we need
> > another centre forward and a journeyman backup to Gnonto as well.
> > There again if Gnonto buggers off too…
> >
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Re: [LU] Farke / WBA

[Robert Heath]

I've said this before and I'll say it again.we have to realise
that the pernicious effects of MONEY and AGENTS WHO WANT A CUT OF THAT
MONEY have completely changed the football ocean that poor little Leeds
United are struggling to swim in. All the best players just rise to the
top. That is why we have lost our 3 best players. But the corollary is also
true..no good player, or to be more accurate, no agent of a good
player, is going to even contemplate coming to play for Leeds United.

So all these numpties online who are whining about the 49ers pocketing the
money and not buying anybody are totally unrealistic.

A) There is nobody out there we could realistically buy who would make a
difference, and B) If we do manage to persuade a decent player to come,
we're going to have to not only pay them way over the Championship average,
but we're going to have to throw in the much-derided release or loan
clauses to their contracts.

Our only hope is to somehow find one or two nuggets...either
youngsters from the lower divisions, or players from obscure leagues
overseaswho will see joining Leeds as a step up and will,
eventually, develop into top players.

Without Summerville and Georgie, our attack yesterday was completely
toothless. But to hope that this week we will go out and buy some other
brilliant forwards who will improve that situation is totally deluded.

I hope I'm wrong..maybe we'll make Norwich an offer they can't
refuse for Rowe, and, more importantly, his agent will reluctantly conclude
that a move to Leeds is his best option because the French Div One teams
are not prepared to pay as muchand maybe Rowe will prove to
make a diiference. But I'm not holding my breath!

On Sun, Aug 18, 2024 at 10:54 AM nattan--- via Leedslist <
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> I know Farke is claiming to be pleased with yesterday's result , and it is
> a point more than we got last time but, if i were him i would be
> concerned.  No chances in 90mins to any of our forward players, 2 headers
> from corners and an off target speculative shot from Ampadu our only
> efforts on goal in a dreadful game.It puts us 4 pts behind the league
> leaders after only two games ( and it was falling behind at the start that
> cost us last time)But most importantly of all , for Farke, were the groans
> and boos clearly heard on tv on a few occasions when we passed backwards
> instead of going forwards.  The fans still remember Bielsaball and the
> gung-ho attitude of that eleven, who, on paper were not as good as this
> eleven? Whatever,  the 49ers have 2 weeks to save our season, Farkes job,
> snd their reputation. Unless we bring in 2 or 3 quality players we have no
> chance of automatic promotion.  The bench yesterday,  despite every player
> being fit, was threadbare,  with no one able to come on and change
> things Yes, its only 8 days in, and we had a good pre season but things are
> looking dodgy to say the least and fans are already disgruntled,  both
> online but more importantly at the grounds, the home fans all streaming out
> early both games, especially Wednesday,  and audible dissent yesterday (  i
> only watched on tv so unclear how many were booing etc)I know they are
> trying to keep signings secret until they happen but things seem very
> quiet Dave
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Re: [LU] It Starts Again

[Robert Heath]

Trying to look for some positives after a game which was so like the S/land
and B/burn home games at the end of the season which cost us
promotion..so here goes: We all said we had to improve on our set
pieces this season, and inside the 1st 10 mins we hit the bar from a corner
then hit the post from a freekick (although I admit we must have had 10
more corners at least and did not threaten at all.) One of the big
questions today was WILL WE MISS S/VILLE? Well, much as I love the kid, I
have to admit I didn't miss him at all when we had freekicks!

On Sat, Aug 10, 2024 at 3:51 PM Richard Walker 
wrote:

> Oh and the ref - terrible. All over the place
>
>
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>
> On Saturday, August 10, 2024, 3:41 PM, Richard Walker via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>
> Just on train back. Weird weather, weird game. Should have been 10-3 but
> it wasn’t. Aaronson missed best chance of match with the last kick of the
> match. He did come on and score though. I thought the subs killed us,
> totally disrupted our play and there was no options at all on the wing.I
> think Pompey are a well organised side and they took their goals really
> well however we were adopting some really weird tactics in the first half.
> For a period of around 25 mins we dropped to a back 3 with Struijk at LB,
> Rodon centre and Bogle army Rb which left Firpo to play at right wing 
> Crazy. Their 1st goal , Bogle was on the left of midfield totally out of
> position- ball was played into acres of space for the Pompey left winger.
> Really poor tactics from us.Their pen, I was in North East so can’t really
> comment but it looked harsh and if it wasn’t tgen it was shit defending.How
> easy did Meslier make it for him ? Fuck me, how shit are we at saving pens.
> At least stand up and make him put it in the corner. He was down on the
> floor before the Pompey guy had started his run up. Piss poor. I would have
> done better.
> Other thoughts:Rothwell - got journeyman written all over him. Not the
> player you bring on when pushing for a winner. I did say that about Gruev’s
> first game so hopefully he’ll improve.Rutter - usual mixture of being
> unplayable and great passing followed by losing the ball and down icing
> half the game on the ground.
> Joseph - I was impressed, he looks fit and strong and was unlucky not to
> get a goal. Not sure about Ampadu in midfield. He got through a lot of work
> but he looked at times like a central defender playing in midfield.
> Aaronson - wish he’d put that chance away. I wasn’t happy with him leaving
> but not gonna boo the lad and I reckon he’ll do well this season. He’s good
> at this level .Willy - I thought he was poor but he took his goal well.
> Time for some refreshment ! .
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>
>
> On Saturday, August 10, 2024, 12:18 PM, Robert Heath <
> heathpalai...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yeah I'm nervous about being the overwhelming favourites. Apart from owt
> else it means we'll have to deal with It's-Your-Cup-Final Syndrome every
> away game, with the stadium (for once)  full of baying inbreds and bang
> average players suddenly deciding to play like Zidane or Messi because they
> are facing the (Not Famous Anymore, oh not not at all) Mighty Whites
>
> On Sat, Aug 10, 2024 at 11:03 AM Kevin Lewis via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>
> > So, it all starts again.
> > This year, only the top 2 will suffice.  The huge reduction in parachute
> > payment for year 3 in the Championship would financially reduce Leeds to
> a
> > run-of-the-mill side at this level when compared to the teams who would
> > come down.
> >
> > Am I optimistic? Well not entirely. Leeds have never borne the mantle of
> > favourites well.  The current first XI look good, but I have serious
> doubts
> > about the transfer team getting in the 3 players they admit to needing,
> let
> > alone replacing anyone else who leaves in the next three weeks.
> >
> > Today's probable squad looks good on paper, and it helps that for the
> first
> > time in years, we are injury free. But 2 or 3 injuries would expose the
> > lack of numbers, which will be needed later in the season.
> > Looking at Jonathan Rowe, he appears to be a right footed winger, who
> like
> > Gnonto prefers to play on the left.  I'd really like them to be looking
> at
> > a left footed winger, who could come in from the ri

Re: [LU] It Starts Again

[Robert Heath]

Yeah I'm nervous about being the overwhelming favourites. Apart from owt
else it means we'll have to deal with It's-Your-Cup-Final Syndrome every
away game, with the stadium (for once)  full of baying inbreds and bang
average players suddenly deciding to play like Zidane or Messi because they
are facing the (Not Famous Anymore, oh not not at all) Mighty Whites

On Sat, Aug 10, 2024 at 11:03 AM Kevin Lewis via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

> So, it all starts again.
> This year, only the top 2 will suffice.  The huge reduction in parachute
> payment for year 3 in the Championship would financially reduce Leeds to a
> run-of-the-mill side at this level when compared to the teams who would
> come down.
>
> Am I optimistic? Well not entirely. Leeds have never borne the mantle of
> favourites well.  The current first XI look good, but I have serious doubts
> about the transfer team getting in the 3 players they admit to needing, let
> alone replacing anyone else who leaves in the next three weeks.
>
> Today's probable squad looks good on paper, and it helps that for the first
> time in years, we are injury free. But 2 or 3 injuries would expose the
> lack of numbers, which will be needed later in the season.
> Looking at Jonathan Rowe, he appears to be a right footed winger, who like
> Gnonto prefers to play on the left.  I'd really like them to be looking at
> a left footed winger, who could come in from the right, or provide a 'going
> outside' option on the left side.
>
> Still a good start today will help, and it will be interesting to see just
> how much Summerville is missed.
>
> KoT.
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[LU] "Fascist thugs", J.Boocock

[Robert Heath]

Interesting that mention was made on here of the "fascist thugs" who are
infesting the country at the moment.I'm wondering how many of
the FTs who tried to burn down a hotel in Rotherham (and indeed the chap
from Leeds arrested today for inciting hatred online) are members of the
brethren of the so-called Greatest Fans in the World? (I think I heard in
the background of news coverage of the Rotherham stramash that they were
chanting "Yorkshire, Yorkshire.")
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[LU] Leeds v Hanover

[Robert Heath]

Watching that pre-season game yesterday, I recalled going to Elland Road as
a lad to see us play them in the Fairs Cup. Just looked it
upit was 1968 and we won 5-1 (Lorimer 2, Hunter, Charlton &
O'Grady.)

Now look at us (both!)

Were any other listers there that night?
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[LU] From The Guardian yesterday

[Robert Heath]

*Leeds* 

Police car turned over and vehicles set alight in disorder in Leeds

People told to stay at home due to unrest in Harehills area of West
Yorkshire city

A police car was flipped on its side and a bus set alight after unrest
broke out in Leeds  on Thursday
evening and residents were advised to stay at home.

Footage appeared to show people throwing objects at the police vehicle
before it was pushed over in Harehills, east of the city centre. The home
secretary, Yvette Cooper, condemned the “shocking scenes and attacks”,
saying “disorder of this nature has no place in our society”.

A local restaurant owner said the chaos was linked to the sale of Archie
Gray to Tottenham Hotspur, which has caused widespread outrage, adding that
some people in the community responded by setting fires and “throwing
stones”.
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Re: [LU] Archie Goes to Brentford

[Robert Heath]

Bigger ground?

Until then we'll never compete with the likes of,
e..Brentford (capacity, what?...20,000?)

What we have to do is somehow drag ourselves out of this shit division
using castoffs and loaneesthen we might be able to compete.
Even then, to persuade decent players to join us we'll have to do things
like offer prospective signings inducements like a guaranteed loan clause
in the event of relegation.

On Sun, Jun 30, 2024 at 11:51 AM John Lee via Leedslist <
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> Brentford bid rejected by the club as terms couldn’t be agreed. Beeb is
> saying Leeds reportedly wanted it done by 30 June for FFP reasons, so
> expect other bids today.
>
> Immensely disappointing, but this is modern football - until we get a
> bigger ground we’ll never compete!
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On 29 Jun 2024, at 22:52, Peter Castlehouse 
> wrote:
> >
> > The beauty of FPP?  The biggest mistake LUFC could make, and sends
> 'déjà vu' shivers down my back.
> > Jamies Milner anyone?
> > Good luck to Archie, though, destined for much bigger and better than
> Brentford, although his future now depends on good coaching as much as
> anything else...
> >
> > OzPete
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of John Boocock
> > Sent: Sunday, 30 June 2024 6:03 AM
> > To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> > Subject: [LU] Archie Goes to Brentford
> >
> > From Leeds to Brentford £35 million deal with £5million addons. The
> beauty of FFP
> >
> > Betty
> >
> >
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Re: [LU] Championship

[Robert Heath]

We had a breakaway from their corner in the 1st half...3 or 4 v
1.all Gray had to do, under no pressure, was slide the ball into
the inside left channel and we were through one-on-one v the
keeper..and he shanked it horribly straight down the pitch. Farke's
fault, obviously.

If James's shot had been an inch lower, and had bounced down and in a la
Geoff Hurst, I'm pretty sure we'd have gone on to win that match.

My point is that all the criticism of manager & players is unjust. It was
just football (and the Triple Curse we were up against: London/Playoffs/Cup
finals!)

On Mon, May 27, 2024 at 8:39 PM Richard Walker 
wrote:

> Sean,
>
> That’s a great post and I read it nodding my head to a lot of what you
> said. Overall, I think Farke deserves credit because he’s taken a team in
> disarray to nearly getting promoted. If you think about the confusion
> around the first 6 games and that team we took to Brum ( Shackleton and
> co) and got nothing, that cost us dear.
> On the flip side you have to look at the limitations of Farke. I don’t
> think he knows what his best team is ? Is Rutter a 10/9? , is Piroe a 10/9
> ? He gave us a 20 min chat as to why Piroe is 10 and not a 9 but then has
> changed his mind.
> A Norwich fan said to me before Farke had been in charge with us that for
> even a game that he is limited which cost him in the higher levels. I think
> you can see this week in week out. The passing around at the back is
> predictable and boring. I think he’s a Championship manager with little to
> Suggs he could really make an impact on the PL.
> so sack now ? I don think so cos I’ve enjoyed most I this season but if
> you look at logically there’s an argument to get rid but you have to have a
> replacement and as far as I am aware there isn’t !
>
>
>
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>
> On Monday, May 27, 2024, 7:31 PM, Dave Tomlinson 
> wrote:
>
> The £170m owed isn't all due yet, I understand it's about £70m to pay next
> few months.
> The phasing of transfer fees is about cash and nothing to do with FFP,
> which is around profit and loss.
> The ability of 49ers to invest is constrained only by the FFP rules
> (revenue, not cash)
>
> On Mon, 27 May 2024 at 10:54, Robert Heath 
> wrote:
>
> > I don't know the ins and outs of it all,but I believe it's not so simple
> as
> > the 49ers stumping up some cash. Apparently we did not pay some transfer
> > fees in full so we could massage our FFP losses...and there's
> supposed
> > to be 170 million we have to pay now. Presumably though if we can get
> > decent fees for Seville & Gnonto that might allow us some wiggle room.
> (Two
> > players, incidentally, along with Meslier & Joseph, signed for peanuts by
> > that useless know nothing Victor Orta)
> >
> > On Mon, 27 May 2024, 11:37 Simon McNally via Leedslist, <
> > leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
> >
> > > What are we thinking for the team next year?
> > >
> > > I’m assuming Gnonto and Summerville will be off, hopefully we get some
> > > fees for the loan players that jumped ship. Have heard suggestions that
> > > they might try to cash in on Meslier too.
> > >
> > > With the parachute payments hopefully we can get a decent team
> together.
> > > The hope that I’m clinging to is that the 49s aren’t in this to make up
> > > the numbers and will invest in the squad.
> > >
> > > Here’s what I’m thinking :
> > > New GK
> > > New RB
> > > CB Ampadu
> > > CB Struijk
> > > LB Firpo (can’t see there being any offers for him)
> > > CM Gray (fingers crossed he stays)
> > > CM Gruev
> > > RW James
> > > CAM Rutter (if he stays - could we sign a new 10 and play Rutter on the
> > > wing?)
> > > New LW
> > > New CF (I’d like to see Joseph get a run)
> > >
> > > S
> > >
> > > Sent from Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> > > 
> > > From: Leedslist  on behalf of Paul
> > Cundell <
> > > p...@cundell.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 27, 2024 10:20:38 AM
> > > To: Richard Walker 
> > > Cc: leedslist 
> > > Subject: Re: [LU] Championship
> > >
> > > "None of that team is good enough for the PL currently, not one of
> them.&q

Re: [LU] Championship

[Robert Heath]

I don't know the ins and outs of it all,but I believe it's not so simple as
the 49ers stumping up some cash. Apparently we did not pay some transfer
fees in full so we could massage our FFP losses...and there's supposed
to be 170 million we have to pay now. Presumably though if we can get
decent fees for Seville & Gnonto that might allow us some wiggle room. (Two
players, incidentally, along with Meslier & Joseph, signed for peanuts by
that useless know nothing Victor Orta)

On Mon, 27 May 2024, 11:37 Simon McNally via Leedslist, <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

> What are we thinking for the team next year?
>
> I’m assuming Gnonto and Summerville will be off, hopefully we get some
> fees for the loan players that jumped ship. Have heard suggestions that
> they might try to cash in on Meslier too.
>
> With the parachute payments hopefully we can get a decent team together.
> The hope that I’m clinging to is that the 49s aren’t in this to make up
> the numbers and will invest in the squad.
>
> Here’s what I’m thinking :
> New GK
> New RB
> CB Ampadu
> CB Struijk
> LB Firpo (can’t see there being any offers for him)
> CM Gray (fingers crossed he stays)
> CM Gruev
> RW James
> CAM Rutter (if he stays - could we sign a new 10 and play Rutter on the
> wing?)
> New LW
> New CF (I’d like to see Joseph get a run)
>
> S
>
> Sent from Outlook for iOS
> 
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of Paul Cundell <
> p...@cundell.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 27, 2024 10:20:38 AM
> To: Richard Walker 
> Cc: leedslist 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Championship
>
> "None of that team is good enough for the PL currently, not one of them."
> I thought that after we lost to QPR tbh, if a team chasing automatic
> promotion can get hammered by a team struggling to stay up then I'd hate to
> see that team face Citeh, Arse or even Scum.
>
> On Mon, 27 May 2024, 09:47 Richard Walker via Leedslist, <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>
> > Team didn’t turn up unlike us lot who did at great expense. It was
> > Doncaster revisited and I hate Wembley and hope I never return.
> > I’ve got nothing to say about the match other than Summerville played in
> > gloves, the match passed Piroe by and Rutter showed us that he hasn’t
> been
> > the same player since his op.
> > None of that team is good enough for the PL currently, not one of them.
> We
> > got excited by the Norwich game but let’s face facts, they were rubbish.
> > On the last train out of Kings X there were a lot of very fed up fans but
> > all agreed that this team is a 100% championship team with a manager who
> is
> > a 100% championship manager.
> > Be interested to see who jumps ship and actually who wants to buy them ?
> >
> >
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Re: [LU] Championship

[Robert Heath]

The suggestion that Farke should be sacked is beyond ridiculous.

I do think he and we need to appoint a specialist set piece coach though.

I'm currently pinning my hopes on the thought that maybe just maybe we
might be able to keep Rodon on another season loan.

I'm reasonably sanguine about another year in the Chumpionship... I'm
just cross that Soton are going up.

On Mon, 27 May 2024, 10:12 Simon McNally via Leedslist, <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

> I feel similar.
> Maybe because I didn’t expect us to win I’m not too disappointed.
> Thought we started brightly but faded.
> Too slow and predictable in the build up (as we have been for a while),
> hard to say if that’s on Farke or the players (or both).
> Seen a lot of calls for Farke to go. Two schools of thought though I guess.
> Can you sack someone who got 90 points and was one game away from
> promotion? Do we need more instability by changing manager again? How much
> would it cost as he’s on a 3 year deal?
> The other side would say he’s been out thought by Martin three times now,
> doesn’t have a plan b other than to chuck a load of attackers on or a plan
> a really other than hope Jimmy or Rutter do something amazing.
> The football has been a bit slow and dull too.
> I’m not sure which I agree with , maybe a bit of both.
>
> Enjoyed my Wembley experience (particularly how quick it was to get a beer
> in the ground) up to the actual game!
>
> S
>
> Sent from Outlook for iOS
> 
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of Damian WALSH <
> damian.wa...@euromaster.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 27, 2024 8:08:18 AM
> To: leedslist 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Championship
>
> Funny enough that's sort of how the aftermath feels like too.
>
> I'm numbly upset but no great passion - all a bit vague really, bit like
> the match :)
>
> Damian
>
> Le dim. 26 mai 2024 à 22:25, Graham White via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> a écrit :
>
> >  "like watching paint dry".
> >
> >
> > Started so positive & on the front foot for most of the first 10, solid &
> > determined - and then came the first defensive wobble when they broke
> down
> > our right…
> > I hoped that would act as a wake up call but didn’t… Sure enough soon
> they
> > scored while Rodon & Amps stood pointing at each other & Archie
> > unfortunately had dropped too far so played Armstrong on…
> >
> > From that moment on we never really looked like getting into the game
> > again.
> >
> > Too many of our players didn’t believe in it (and that has to be laid on
> > Farke) - but the one that did was the first to be replaced which summed
> > quite a lot up.
> >
> > Rutter & Cree were well below par, and should’ve been replaced on the
> hour
> > at least. Gruev & Kamara struggled to get anything going - and not once
> did
> > we see the triangulation play between Kamara, Cree, Rutter & Firps which
> > have become a bit of our speciality this season…
> >
> > And the combination Rutter/Piroe hasn’t worked well ever & won’t work in
> > the future either if one of them keeps insisting on not interacting with
> > the other. Another thing for DF to sort out.
> > Maybe he should let one of them go. There’s no indication that Rutter
> will
> > find his form from before the break & operation again… on his current
> > showing he’s a big question mark.
> >
> > Anyway, thought Dan James did well when he came on, desperately unlucky
> > with his effort, and at least we did try hard in the end to force a goal.
> >
> > Too little too late as the saying goes.
> >
> > Next season can’t start too soon. Not looking forward to the summer of
> > silly season crap but that’s what it is.
> >
> > Hope and pray for a few good additions and that we don’t lose too many of
> > our most influential players. Our squad was never big enough this season
> so
> > additions are needed.
> >
> > Why not try and find a left back who can defend? Heard that one before?
> > Wish list can become long!
> >
> > Realistically we won’t be able to keep Willy or Cree, but let’s hope
> > Archie stays!
> >
> > /Raffe
> >
> >
> > My iPhone
> >
> > > On 26 May 2024, at 18:22, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist <
> > leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > There we are. Encapsulates the season. Loads of possession. Shit set
> > > pieces. Pathetic shooting.
> > >
> > > I think the management are happier in the championship, where they can
> > win
> > > more than they lose, without having to take any risks.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Inline images
> > >
> > > The Harwellian Club
> > > Westfield
> > > Harwell
> > > Oxon
> > > OX11 0LG
> > > Industrial & Provident Company Number IP13363R.  VAT Number:
> GB200735313
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Re: [LU] Championship

[Robert Heath]

It's been a great season. I have really enjoyed watching this team play
(most of the time.) It will break up now, so time to say thanks and good
luck to S/ville, Gnonto & Rodon. Won't really miss Anthony or Roberts.I
have a sneaking suspicion that Archie might stay (unless we get a
ridiculous offer for him.) Hopefully Strujk will stay as well.

Positive thing: we won't have to watch superstar strikers like Haaland &
Salah filling their boots against us next season. (I fear Soton are not
going to be quite so happy in 6 months as they are now.)

Only  really negative thing: we'll have to play bloody Derby next season.

On Sun, May 26, 2024 at 5:43 PM Ted  wrote:

> Match report... fucking shite.
>
>
> On Sun, 26 May 2024, 17:41 John Lee via Leedslist, 
> wrote:
>
> > Too raw and too early to be pondering on where next, but there are a
> > number of players who both will depart and absolutely need to go.
> >
> > An entirely predictable afternoon’s football - with our professed
> > attacking talents it beggars belief that we had to wait for Dan James to
> > appear before we genuinely looked like we might score? There’ll be debate
> > whether getting 90 points means that the overly cautious tactics worked,
> or
> > if we’d let the players really attack we’d have been more successful? All
> > academic now for this season.
> >
> > Farke definitely lost the tactical battle though, which is perhaps the
> > most fundamental problem today highlighted?
> >
> > Bugger!
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > > On 26 May 2024, at 17:22, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist <
> > leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > There we are. Encapsulates the season. Loads of possession. Shit set
> > > pieces. Pathetic shooting.
> > >
> > > I think the management are happier in the championship, where they can
> > win
> > > more than they lose, without having to take any risks.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Inline images
> > >
> > > The Harwellian Club
> > > Westfield
> > > Harwell
> > > Oxon
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Re: [LU] Wemberlee

[Robert Heath]

All my attempts to beg steal or borrow a ticket have come to nought, so I
will be sat in our Corbieres home watching a livestream. I hope all you
lucky lads who are going have a great day out!

On Sat, May 25, 2024 at 9:55 AM nattan--- via Leedslist <
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> Setting off at lunchtime- COME ON LEEDS
> I have slagged off the razzmatazz around this game but it is such an
> amazing occasion that i cant help but get into the mood.
> Staying over to get the full experience
> Match ticket safely downloaded,  bring it on
> All the best to you all whereever you are watching it , lets hope we turn
> up and play them off the park
> Wemberlee Wemberlee we're the famous leeds united ...
> Dave
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Re: [LU] Ticket?

[Robert Heath]

Aw jeez I forgot that slimeball claims to support them. Damn that means
I'll be even more pissed off if we lose!






On Thu, May 23, 2024 at 3:02 PM Steve Gillen  wrote:

> I think we all know you tried Richard and it was a great idea, but as
> always has been with the national stadium teal fans come second to what the
> stadium owners can get. Wembley has more than 10,000 tickets of one type or
> another to disperse as they wish
>
> I want to know if Rishi Sunak will pay for his seat (and his accompanying
> security staff) as he is not an indifferent neutral but a stated passionate
> fan of one of the clubs - and he's only a multimillionaire not a
> Billionaire (yet) so has to save money somehow
>
> > On 23 May 2024, at 09:31, Richard Naef 
> wrote:
> >
> > Sorry, boxes sold out to wembley before we got a chance.  Tickets on
> StubHub.ie, but stupidly expensive
> >
> > Richard
> > 
> > From: Leedslist  on behalf of Robert
> Heath 
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2024 4:44:30 PM
> > To: Leeds List 
> > Subject: [LU] Ticket?
> >
> > Did anything come of that box idea...and if so could you take one
> > more person?OR, does anybody perchance have a ticket going
> > spare?
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[LU] Ticket?

[Robert Heath]

Did anything come of that box idea...and if so could you take one
more person?OR, does anybody perchance have a ticket going
spare?
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[LU] Offside called against Bayern!

[Robert Heath]

What goes around comes around mein freunds.
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Re: [LU] List meet in...

[Robert Heath]

Sorry Damian..We're heading off for a week in Spain on Weds or
Thu.

I expect you'll manage to have a fine time without me though!

On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 11:37 AM Damian WALSH 
wrote:

> ...Barcares or Perpignan next Satdi (the 11th) before, during and/or after
> the Rhinos game?
>
> Anything to take our minds off the football the following day :)
>
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[LU] Huddersfield Town

[Robert Heath]

Huddersfield Town: An apology. I wish to publicly state that I have been
misguided at times in respect to Huddersfield Town Football Club. I accept
that epithets such as "dried up udders", "just a toilet down the other end
of the A 62" and "dog-botherers", which I may have occasionally used to
describe them, could possibly be construed as implying that I did not hold
the club in the highest esteem. Let me state clearly that nothing could be
further from the truth, and that I firmly believe Huddersfield Town are an
excellent and magnificent football club. Indeed I believe they are
absolutely not the kind of team who would just roll over and die simply
because they are already relegated and they've got a long away trip to one
of the best teams in the division; but in contrast will show the character,
resilience and bottle to play with freedom and pull off an unlikely win!
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Re: [LU] 32 years ago today...

[Robert Heath]

I was walking along a filled-in canal in Maadi (Cairo) with a trannie tuned
to the BBC World Service pressed to my ear.

On Fri, Apr 26, 2024 at 10:06 AM James A. Lundon @ Yahoo! via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

> I well remember this day 32 years ago.
> Leeds United went to Sheffield United on the morning of Sunday, 26 April
> 1992 and ultimately won the league in an extraordinary game. The winning
> goal's last three touches were the home team's, such was the chaotic nature
> of the contest. No Leeds United player touched the ball in our attacking
> half in its build-up.
>
> Extended highlights (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjWzXdPO9uE) of the
> game exist on YouTube for those who are sufficiently interested. Jon
> Newsome wrote himself into the annals of the club's history with his
> stooped goal to put us back on level terms in a see-saw game. Our first
> goal was also an OG. Upon recent review of the game, I thought it quite an
> entertaining contest. Such wonderful times but we also knew that we might
> never see these days again.
> The game was on BBC or ITV but I was down with my prospective in-laws that
> morning and couldn't catch the game anywhere.  I was able to tune into
> BBC5Live (formerly BBC2) radio and catch updates - reception was usually
> poor in a standard car radio of the time.  I recall exactly where I was
> when the winning goal went in, or when I heard about it, passing the old
> dump outside the town of Kilrush in West Clare.
> A time before pervasive mobile phone, always-on internet and wall-to-wall
> Sky coverage was just starting out - I think one Leeds game was shown on
> the B(Sky)B platform that season.
> Manchester United went to Liverpool later that afternoon and lost 2-0.
> This meant that Leeds United were now four points ahead of their deadliest
> rivals with a single game to go. CHAMPIONS.
> I was offered a trip over for the last game of the season against Norwich
> where the championship trophy would be presented to the team and crowd,
> Saturday, 2 May 1992. The offer was made in the week leading up to the
> Sheffield United game. I declined the opportunity, much to my subsequent
> chagrin. The person who offered me the trip finished up in Howard
> Wilkinson's office that evening and got a picture of himself with the
> trophy.
> HW remains the last English-born manager to lead a team to the top-tier
> football championship in England.
> James.
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Re: [LU] Sunderland

[Robert Heath]

Ooooh! A list war!

We haven't had one of them since I don't know how long!

On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 5:41 PM Paul Cundell  wrote:

> What an utter rewriting of history!
> We wouldn't be bloody third if it wasn't for Farke. IF this was under
> Marsch bleat bleat bleat we'd have lost 3-0. If not we would ALL to a man
> have been singing his praises if he'd been unbeaten at home after 21 games.
> You moan about us not going down the wings and then dare to mention Jesse
> "Down the middle Raphina!" Marsch ffs!
> You can't decide if he's good or lucky? Bloody good job you don't have to
> then.
> Farke's decisions and tactics have got us where we are, you talk as if we
> have a God given right to be in the top two. Newsflash, we don't! Being
> third best in the league is a lot bloody better than being third worst, in
> case you can't remember.
> We can’t stop Leicester and Ipswich having a rip roaring season but what we
> can do is acknowledge that we're having one too, you miserable sod.
> Cheer up and enjoy the ride.
> Paul
>
> On Wed, 10 Apr 2024, 15:45 seanscr...@aol.com,  wrote:
>
> > Paul,
> >
> > None of that matters if we don't get promoted. Next season we'll have a
> > weaker squad (we're constantly being told that we're going to have to
> sell
> > if we don't go up), a smaller budget (smaller parachute payment in the
> > second season down) and have to compete with three clubs coming down who
> > have larger parachute payments. Farke has managed a lot of stuff well,
> but
> > being third best in the league counts for nothing. (If Ampadu writes an
> > autobiography, he might title it "You Get Nowt for Coming Third.")
> >
> > Maybe my definition of "car crash" in this context is different from some
> > other people's. To me "close but no cigar" in the Championship for Leeds
> > United is a car crash. Same with the 2000-2001 season in the Premier
> League
> > - a lot of good football, but ultimately failed to win anything or finish
> > in the Champions League places, which triggered a near-fatal decline. I
> > remember walking out of the pub (in the British Embassy, no less) after
> > watching the home draw with ManU with a sick feeling in my stomach about
> > how the two dropped points - thanks to the ref - might cos us. (Little
> did
> > I know how much!) In other words, I hate almost winning. It's victory or
> > nothing.
> >
> > Again, I cannot decide whether Farke is a good manager, or just blessed
> > with a terrific squad.
> >
> > To the folks who replied to my email:
> >
> > - Did you agree with Farke's team selection?
> > - Did you seriously think Farke got the timing of the subs right
> yesterday?
> > - Were you happy with the way we allowed Sunderland to get set every time
> > before we attacked them?
> > - Did you enjoy watching players turn and pass back to Ampadu and Rodon,
> > and then watch them pass between themselves?
> > - Did you agree with the favoring of playing down the left rather than
> the
> > right for the vast majority of attempted attacks?
> >
> > If Jesse Marsch had been stood in the dugout instead of Farke, I can only
> > imagine the howls of indignation that performance would have provoked.
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> > Sean
> >
> >
> > On Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 08:49:39 AM EDT, Paul Cundell <
> > p...@cundell.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Have you been watching the same season as me?
> > "One long slow motion car crash"?
> > We're UNBEATEN at home and we've lost ONCE this year.
> > We've got 87 points and the manager you're so angry at masterminded that.
> > A car crash was Jesse Marsch.
> > A car crash was all Orta's release clauses being triggered in August.
> > This is quite possibly the rarest of seasons where the third place team
> > could end up on over 100 points.
> > SMFH.
> > Marching On TOGETHER!
> > Paul
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 at 12:25, seanscribe--- via Leedslist <
> > leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
> >
> > >  You're absolutely right. I haven't been this angry at a Leeds manager
> in
> > > some time. What the hell is he telling the players? We have two of the
> > most
> > > devastating wingers in the league, including (possibly) the fastest
> > winger
> > > (fastest player?) in the division in Dan James. At no point during
> > > yesterday's game did the team move the ball to those players EARLY, to
> > > allow them to exploit the space in front of them. Again and again and
> > again
> > > - so often that it MUST be based on orders from Farke, when the
> > opportunity
> > > for a fast break beckoned, the ball was passed sideways back and forth
> > > between the centre-halves so that the opposition could get themselves
> set
> > > before we tried to move down the field. It was absolutely maddening.
> > > It wasn't just Archie, Dan James was asking for the ball in space and
> > > never getting it until he had two defenders on him. The whole tactical
> > > approach seemed designed to negate our own strengths (think of all the
> > > terrific goals we scored earlier 

Re: [LU] Sunderland

[Robert Heath]

Ha ha! Funny you should say that. He gave us a slightly generous freekick
very early on, and I foolishly said to my wife "Yes! I think I'm going to
like this ref!" How wrong I was!

On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 4:22 PM Richard Walker via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

>  I actually forgot to mention the ref. Sometimes you know after 5 mins
> that the ref just isn't up to it ! That was the case with this guy and he
> really shouldn't be reffing at this level and that's nothing to do with the
> penalty that should have been. He was awful.
> However, he wasn't the reason we hardly had a shot on goal all night !
>
>
>
>
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Re: [LU] Kalvin?

[Robert Heath]

His confidence is obviously completely shot. You can tell if you watch
closely that his team mates, at City, Wham & even England, don't trust him
with the ball and won;t pass to him unless he is in acres of space. And
once you've lost the confidence of your team mates in football, you're
finished.

On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 3:12 PM Matt via Leedslist 
wrote:

>
> We'd need to get promoted first as i suspect Man City will still want
> £10m+
>
> If we are promoted i suspect midfield will need to be upgraded - though
> Kamara looks more vulnerable than Gruev (who we really missed on Monday)
> and that's not really Kalvin's position.
>
> Easy to dismiss him as a Bielsa only player but he was Englands best
> player at Euro 2021, his confidence is shot at the moment though.
>
> Weird to feel sorry for him, even though he will probably earn more this
> year than i will in my life.
>
> Matt
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Nick" 
> To: "Leeds List 2010" 
> Sent: Wednesday, 3 Apr, 24 At 14:10
> Subject: [LU] Kalvin?
> Seeing quite a bit of “speculation” that KP might come back to Leeds in
> the summer.
> Loved him under Bielsa… but he was pretty average prior to those master
> classes.
> And, who would he replace…not Gruev, possibly Kamara, & hopefully he
> wouldn’t block Archie Gray’s development.
> I think that ship might have sailed.
> Nick
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[LU] Bryn Law!

[Robert Heath]

One of many great pleasures of this season has been the commentary on LUTV.
Bryn Law & Tony Dorigo are 24 carat diamonds, and the former's rising
crescendo of Summerville, *Summerville*, SUMMERVILLE!! as Cree dances
in from the left to score is unforgettable.

Sadly, I can't afford to pay a tenner for summat I can get free, so if our
game is on Sky I don't watch it on LUTV.so it was only this
morning looking for the highlights that I watched DJ's goal with LUTV
commentary. If you haven't already seen (and heard) it, watch it now! Bryn
Law's description is a CLASSIC!

P.S. Watching it as I've done about 100 times today, I am struck by quite
what a brilliant pass Piroe gave to allow James to shoot.
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[LU] Please STOP the potentially jinxing emails!

[Robert Heath]

There's a long way to go yet...and that's just today!

All I will admit is that we are looking a safe bet for the playoffs at
least.
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Re: [LU] Do we want to go up?

[Robert Heath]

Obviously going up is the best option. I was just ruminating a bit in my
previous post. But the fact remains it is a daunting prospect. (And i have
enjoyed not having world class strikers padding their career records at our
expense this season!)

I think everybody assumes and expects that the 49ers will spend big if we
do get up. I know Farke believes he was let down twice by the Norwich
board, and i believe the figure of 150 m has been bandied about. But it's
not that easy to buy players who will really make a difference.

I know it is fashionable to slam poor old Victor Orta these days, but
really we made pretty good signings (on paper) last time. Obviously
Raphinha & Adams were great signings (and Wober was pretty good.) But the
likes of Rodrigo, Llorente, Aaronson, Kristensen & Roca were all absolutely
in the category of signing we needed.and we all approved of
them at the time. We can be prepared to pay more this time, but players of
a higher level will not be interested in joining a lower mid-table (at
best) club.

Looking at it optimistically, maybe the problem with all those
under-achievers mentioned above was Marsch's moronic coachingso
if we can buy a similar batch perhaps Farke can make something of them.

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> I’ve also been thinking about this and when considering the alternatives
> I’d say ‘YES’.
>
> I’d say it would be great go up this year, but if not, promotion is
> practically essential next time before the parachute payment reduces and
> then disappears.'
>
> If/when we get there, there will be some difficult weeks and some possible
> despair when you look at the football Arsenal and Man City can play.
>
> But if we can survive the first season, make steady progress and expand the
> stadium, we could be where Villa now are in 4-5 years time.
>
> Promotion is the starting point for all of that.
>
> KOT
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Re: [LU] Stoke

[Robert Heath]

"All we can do is win and hope"...indeed. But then there's the
conundrum of DO WE REALLY WANT TO GO UP? This season has been SO enjoyable!
And I was watching Sheff U's pathetic attempt to match Arsenal the other
night with so much schadenfreudesque pleasurebut there was a
nagging thought in the back of my mind that that could be us next season.
The problem is, obviously, that if we don't go up, all the players who have
made this season so enjoyable will (understandably) want to leave.

On Wed, Mar 6, 2024 at 11:45 AM Ted  wrote:

> As usual, a great assessment Dave, agree with everything.
>
> On the way home, the radio Leeds team saw it differently and seemed to
> think we were always in control! Didn't look like that to me in the 2nd
> half from NE Upper!
>
> 3 points is all that matters at this stage tho, all we can do is win and
> hope!
>
> Ted H
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Re: [LU] Stoke

[Robert Heath]

The pattern of that match was v similar to the Plymouth home cuptie. In the
2nd half they started to press and with a 1-0 lead Farke evidently
instructed Meslier not to pass out from the back, but the succession of
long balls just kept giving them the ball back. Thankfully the difference
was that they didn't score this time!

Re the timewasting, the thing that gets me is the amount of time the keeper
stands with the ball in his hands. He is supposed to release it before 6
secs but it is a rule universally ignored by refs. Apparently, FIFA have
finally noticed and they're planning to give the keeper 2 more secs but
enforce the rule and give the attacking team a throwin or a corner as a
penalty. Excellent idea in my view, but it won't come in for a while yet,
if ever. (The current penalty, if it was ever called, is an indirect
freekick in the box, and apparently refs don't want to give that as it is
too extreme.)

On Wed, Mar 6, 2024 at 11:03 AM nattan--- via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

> Following the absolute ecstasy of the Leicester game, this was absolute
> relief, especially as the literal last kick of the game was a brilliant
> chance to them inside the area , poorly struck and well saved by Mes.  All
> game we wanted ( and felt we needed that second to ensure the 3 pts.
> First half was comfortable,  with stoke offering nothing   bar one long
> range shot by Lewis baker that Mes tipped over. Their keeper on the other
> hand was having a blinder- lucky to get away with a foul on the excellent
> Dan James which should have been a penalty,  then unlucky with the goal,
> another deflected shot finding its way in, this time by James. He saved
> well twice from James,  once from Bamford after a lovely chipped pass by
> Georginio ( who also headed over), as we totally dominated the first half.
> Second half was a totally different proposition as we started to look
> leggy and tired , losing our zest, and they took some control, and suddenly
> Meslier was the much busier keeper. The second half was best illustrated
> when their lad skipped past Ampadu but shot straight at Mes . " thats the
> first time ive seen someone skin Ampadu all season " was my sons comment.
> We were not exactly hanging on but we were under the cosh and
> unfortunately we could not get the second despite the best efforts of the
> impressive Matteo Josep, on for Bamford,  he did well to win the ball and
> round the keeper but could not get real purchase on his shot that was
> cleared on the line. His next effort just fizzed by the far post. James
> also had a chance when one on one with the keeper but shot straight into
> the keepers face.  The sending off of their lad for a 2nd yellow did not
> affect much as stoke continued to control the game and looked for an
> equaliser.  Thankfully due to poor finishing,  good goal keeping and
> resolute defending we kept them out for the 3pts we needed ( f**king
> Ipswich ruining our happiness on the bus back to leeds as they turned 1-2
> into 3-2 - leif davis's name being shouted down the bus as he got their
> winner)We need to win on Friday and then the players can take a well earned
> few days off, its been relentless but there is no room for slip ups and
> sheff Wednesday is a ' must-win" , mind you aren't they all at this stage?
> On a different point any refs on here know the rules re time wasting ?
> They wasted time ( not quite Huddersfield standard) from the first minute,
> the keeper taking an age over everything but the ref just ignored it all,
> then half way through the second half Mes did the same and suddenly the ref
> is hurrying him up and pointing at his watch. Is it only something the ref
> cares about if a team are winning or in the  last 15 minutes? It is
> something that has been very noticeable this season
> Anyway, another 3 pts, more relief than joy but the wheels keep on
> churning. The players just need to keep going and find that last bit of
> energy
> Dave
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[LU] And another one's gone...........

[Robert Heath]

Chris Nicholl. I'm pretty sure it was him who once scored all 4 goals in a
2-2 draw between Villa and Leicester.
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Re: [LU] Fck

[Robert Heath]

Me and two mates hitchhiked to Rome to watch England play Italy in a WC
Qualifier. Revie was the boss and the team he put out was a bit odd. IIRC
we had Brian Greenhoff & Trevor Cherry in midfield. But up front we had
Stan Bowles, and I remember walking through the streets of Rome singing "Oh
oh oh Stanley, Stanley, I'd walk a million miles for one of your goals oh
Stanley!" (WE'd actually hitched a thousand miles, obviously not far enough
b/c we didn't get one of his goals and we lost 2-0.)

On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 12:10 AM Damian WALSH 
wrote:

> Stan Bowles is dead!
>
> I'm very sorry for him, but me me me me my generation is almost all gone
> :0
>
> --
>
> *Damian WALSH*
>
>
>
> [image: Euromaster]
>
> [image: Euromater]
>
> *Euromaster*
> 7 place Henri Dunant
> 63038 Clermont-Ferrand
> Mob. +33 (0)6 85 80 18 49 <+33%206%2085%2080%2018%2049>
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Re: [LU] Leicester Tonight

[Robert Heath]

Oh dear KevI think that's the second time this season one of
your posts has not aged well! No we don't have any impact subs!

On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 6:28 PM Kevin Lewis via Leedslist <
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> Big game tonight!
> Not really because it is Leicester, but because it will be difficult! Leeds
> need to keep winning to stay up with Ipswich and Southampton. A draw/defeat
> could take a few weeks to make-up.
>
> It is great that we are now essentially in with a 1 in 3 chance of
> automatic promotion and adding in the chances of getting through the play
> offs must make us about 50/50 overall, in spite of our play-off cock ups in
> years gone by.
>
> However there are a couple of things that worry me.
> The bench players are by and large not good enough to be considered impact
> players.  Only James/Gnonto (whichever does not start) is good enough in
> that way. The rest are really holding replacements. It means that options
> are limited to give the team a boost after 70 mins, which I think is why we
> have often lost a bit of control at that stage in recent matches. The place
> where this is really felt is in the engine room, where there are no obvious
> fresh legs to bring on at all. Especially with Archie and Ampadu playing in
> the back 4.
>
> A couple more signings in January would have helped.  Contrast our business
> with Ipswich and Hull, who made significant improvements with Kiefer Moore
> and Carvalho respectively + other players with Premier League experience.
> I will be much more nervous about facing either of them in the play offs
> now, should that happen.
>
> Sorry about the full-on ramble.
>
> KoT
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Re: [LU] Plymouth

[Robert Heath]

On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 4:59 PM Robert Heath 
wrote:

> I don't know exactly what happened but I presume Plym changed their
> press...but whatever the reason we were completely unable to build from
> the back when Meslier had the ball in the second half. As a result, he kept
> on sending it long (no doubt to the delight of all the dinosaurs in the
> crowd) and we lost every second ball.which was why they had so
> much more possession.
>
> On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 1:14 PM nattan--- via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> Well we ended up with the draw nobody wanted- having said that with 5
>> mins to go I asked if anyone wanted Plymouth to score ( and win) it was a
>> resounding “no”This was a game that should have been over by half time but
>> saves from the keeper from Piroe Ampadu and Georgie plus Anthony hitting
>> the post and Gnontos follow up hitting the bar it meant we only had the one
>> goal - but what a goal . Anthony cut in between 2 defenders, best a third
>> and hammered home ( similar to his other goal for us )Most people think he
>> did well but one of mates followed up his “ get off your shit comment “ on
>> Wednesday with more of the same - game of opinions. There was however total
>> agreement that neither Gnonto nor Piroe did anything to suggest they should
>> be first choice next matchEqually Poveda did not do anything - reminds me
>> of Peter Taylor from n his book saying he would not have let clough sign
>> Duncan McKenzie because he was a “ circus performer “ - I think McKenzie
>> was much more than that but it fits Poveda to a tee
>> They came more into it second half without creating much - byram headed
>> one off the line and they cut us open a bit to score
>> Bamford nearly scored with his first touch , a great header well saved
>> and then again near the end when the keeper fumbled it
>> So overall not a great performance or result ( great crowd of over
>> 35,000- I remember when cup games were half that ) and an extra game miles
>> away that we don’t need , made worse by the fact it means we play Plymouth
>> 3 times in a short space of time - never good for players as little niggles
>> and arguments between them tend to get carried over
>> Dave
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[LU] Anybody watching the cricket?

[Robert Heath]

Who knew that the entire Indian team are massive Leeds fans?! (At least,
that's the only conclusion I can draw from the fact that they are all
wearing LUFC replica shirts.) {Almost.}
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Re: [LU] 100 Years Ago

[Robert Heath]

I noticed the BFI have issued a blanket disclaimer on all James Bond
films.and thought the list might want to adapt it for themselves
after reading some of these entries: may “contain language, images or other
content that reflect views prevalent in its time, but will cause offence
today (as they did then). The titles are included here for historical,
cultural or aesthetic reasons and these views are in no way endorsed by the
BFI or its partners."

On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 11:14 AM John Boocock  wrote:

> Any contributions for updates? I have already corrected a couple of typos.
>
> I already have ASCII Maps, JoTL, Beermeister, MNES, LUST and Totty Twins
> on the blocks.
>
> Betty
>
>
> THE LEEDS LIST GLOSSARY AS AT August 28th, 1996
>
> A collection of nicknames, acronyms and descriptions all purporting to
> relate to the unofficial Leeds United AFC internet mailing list,
> composed or edited by Betty Boocock, with several contributions coming
> from the individuals concerned. So, if you're confused and bewildered by
> the in-jokes and strange references on the list, read on and let
> enlightenment flow...
>
> ADOLPHI - Home of the pre match list meet, really called the Adelphi,
> but renamed when it was suggested that the NF might have once met there.
>
> ARMCHAIR - Usual seat taken by most opinionated members of the list,
> preferably in foreign climes where the best view is always available. NB
> the enormous, motorised armchair is Betty's large car built by French
> communists.
>
> BETTY - according to Andy 'Blood on Yer Boots' King, "I seem to remember
> earlier this year you sorted out a few of the listers (Maggie,
> Squiggle?) problems, and for a while the list was more like a ‘Dear
> Aunty Betty the Agony Aunt’ list than a Leeds list". According to Guy:
> "Because of your Betty Boothroyd tendencies during a number of
> disputes." If the truth be known, it is because my Aunty Betty Boocock
> is the only member of the family still left in Swinnow.
>
> BLIND JOHN - Mr John Lukic (a former custodian of the onion bag).
>
> BMW - The Best Mate's Wife. Euphemism for mistress, only used by cads
> and bounders.
>
> BOTL - Birds on The List. The women who contribute to life on the list,
> and that's real women, not transvestites like Betty and Maggie.
>
> BTW - Standard computer nerd acronym for "by the way”. Apparently, this
> saves ink.
>
> CASHBURN, NEWMONEY - (Come on, you can work those out, can't you?)
>
> CHURCH OF THE REAL MAN/YORKSHIRE MAN - situated in the heart of the West
> Leeds triangle of Burley, Headingley and Kirkstall, the Church and its
> leader, Da Reverend John Lee, instructs devotees in the art of
> Grolsch-swilling, currying, nesting, and opinionated conversation,
> especially in the company of students who are not tolerated within the
> Church. Chief doctrines include NO Rabid Canines, no buying Sharp
> products, the sworn aim of the destruction of all things Lancastrian and
> the moving of Parliament to Swaledale. It's anti Southern-Jessy &
> Wearside-maggot philosophies easily identify the brethren. Dress sense
> is casual with attitude, musical preferences eclectic but no hippie
> shit, and a love of Geoffrey Boycott is essential. A definite NO SCABS
> rule applies to membership, regardless of all other criteria, although
> if you've ever shagged Sophie Rayworth you're probably in! Birds are
> tolerated, but only if they're fit, can cook curry or are related to DRB
> by marriage. In short, the brethren of justice and righteousness found
> in the Church of the Real Man/Yorkshire Man are Gods children on Earth,
> reside in the Land of the Gods and will surely one day inherit the Earth
> (and will then proceed to wipe Lancashire off it!).
>
> CHINAMAN - Young Lee Sharpe
>
> DENIS - I ended up with Denis cos after the headshave at Euronet 96, I
> ended up looking like Denis Irwin. Fortunately, my hair's grown back a
> bit now. Still, it's better than being accused of looking like
> 'Sutcliffe' a few years ago (not funny I know, but that's southern
> 'humour' for you).
>
> dOLEITE - (see SQUIGGLE).
>
> DRB - Custodian of the reserve report and choirmaster of the Choir of
> Unholy Angels, who normally give concerts on the Football Special of a
> match day.
>
> DUNDERHEAD - My list name is not a nickname but in fact my surname. This
> is itself an Anglicisation of our previous, family name of Dumbkopf. My
> great-grandfather, like many first-generation German immigrants during
> the Great War, thought it prudent to change the family name of
> Pimmelkopf to Windsor, but those damned Saxe-Cobourgs had beaten him to
> it. He chose instead the more familiar surname of Dumbkopf, being true
> to his Hanoverian roots while adopting a name commonly understood in
> Great Britain.
>
> FAKE TAN - If it is of any interest, the reason for my moniker Fake-Tan
> is that after my first Adelphi trip before The Witness' hat-trick
> against Ipswich, Da Rev sent this message to the List: "Apologies t

Re: [LU] Mastermind

[Robert Heath]

I didn't know that ref and I also got the name of an early manager wrong
(won't say who in case anybody else still wants to try it) so got 10 right.

Call me paranoid if you like (as my wife does) but this snippet showed
perfectly the BBC's hatred of Leeds. I think there was a previous bloke on
M/mind who did Leeds several years ago and IIRC it was the same thing. Out
of 12 questions they managed to bring up...us losing the 65 Cup
Final, Billy being sent off in disgrace at Wembley, and us being thrown out
of the league for illegal payments...oh and poor old Mick Jones
doing his shoulder in at Wembley. The only mention of any of our European
Cup glories was a match we lost.



On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 12:50 PM nattan--- via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

> Just seen a lad had leeds united as his specialist subject on mastermind
> last night.I downloaded it and tested myself just now , i got 9 out of the
> 12 , ( he only got 8 - obviously -  otherwise i would not have posted)
>
> Could have got 11 since i did know 2 of the 3 i missed out on
> Doubt anyone would get the other one ..
>
>
>
>
> Question was ...Who was the ref in 1974 charity shield who sent off
> Bremner and keegan ? .
>
> Answer is ->>>Bob Matthewson
> Dave
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[LU] That's another one gone

[Robert Heath]

Franz Beckenbauer 
Franz Beckenbauer, World Cup-winning captain and manager, dies aged 78

 ‘Der Kaiser’ led West Germany to glory in 1974 and 1990
 Beckenbauer credited with creating the modern sweeper role

He also notoriously orchestrated the fixing of the 1975 European Cup Final
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[LU] Ampadu!

[Robert Heath]

What a goal from Paddie! Some v good displays all over the pitch.
Encouraging to see that we can play well without half of our best players.

But what a player Ethan Ampadu is! It's an astonishing fact that he has
played in a relegated team for each of the last THREE seasons!
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Re: [LU] VPN

[Robert Heath]

Damian.

We use LeVPN in France and find it works well...

And Dave...

Yeah we choose Belgium to connect to LeVPN when we want to watch the
matches on LUTV.

On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 9:08 PM nattan--- via Leedslist 
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> for everywhere except UK and Ireland is it possible to use a VPN and fool
> the system into thinking I am somewhere abroad ?Cheers Dave
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Re: [LU] Coventry

[Robert Heath]

Dead right about the ref. I noticed when the res were doing their pathetic
"warmup" that he was out of breath and struggling to keep up with his
linesmen after simply jogging a lap of half the pitch!

On Sun, Dec 17, 2023 at 11:23 AM Simon McNally via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

> Mostly agree, especially that song.
>
> I think it was Struijk that loses the header for the goal.
> Having watched it back, I’m not convinced by Meslier on the goal either.
> It’s a high, looping cross that is headed in from within the six yard box.
> I’d think the keeper should be claiming that.
> I thought he could’ve done better with the Sunderland goal too.
> Shopping list for January for me would be : 1) left back and 2) goalkeeper
>
>
> Sent from Outlook for iOS
> 
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of Richard
> Walker via Leedslist 
> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2023 10:28:25 AM
> To: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
> Subject: [LU] Coventry
>
> I'd forgotten that God awful song that they sing  'We all sing
> together  la la la' - took me right back to the Hillsborough
> semi-final. Rubbish song, rubbish city, rubbish fans and they had the cheek
> to sing "Leeds is a shithole I want to go home". Made me laugh and think of
> Ghost Town.
> To be fair to their team I thought they were ok. A bit like Sunderland,
> they came with damage limitation in mind and to kick everything that moved
> which they got away with due to a really, really poor ref. He didn't look
> in shape and his brain was obviously running slow because time and time
> again they hacked at our players and he didn't take any action. I think
> this is the way to play us, be solid, get everyone behind the ball and then
> get us on the counter, which is what happened.
> First half I thought we huffed and puffed and got into some good positions
> but poor finishing cost us. Rutter spent most of the half on his arse as
> usual and when he did get a chance he fluffed it. My mate said he's either
> world class or a spastic. He was a spastic in that first half. Very
> frustrating. Most of our best work was down the left with Spence and
> Summerville but  when we did manage to work our way  into the box the last
> pass or cross was lacking. At the other end Coventry did have numerous
> counters and their tricky right winger skinned Spence to create a good
> chance. Meslier also made a decent save from a shot outside the box. They
> were dangerous on the counter and I think as a team it's far too to pass
> and progress through our midfield. This is obviously the downside to
> playing 4 attackers with one of them (Piroe) in midfield. Piroe is never a
> midfielder, not even close. Yes he's tidy on the ball at times but most of
> the time without the ball he's a passenger.
> I think we need to look at playing with 3 midfielder (proper midfielders)
> in some games especially away from home. New left back in Jan, spence to
> right back , Archie into midfield. Bidwell for them must be 30+ but he's
> solid , can defend and get forward. That's all we need from a left back in
> this league.
> Then there's the argument about who to play up front ? For me, Rutter is
> great to watch (the world class version not the spastic) but there's no way
> he's a number 9. He misses chance after chance after brilliantly setting
> them up. He's a great passer of the ball and for someone who at times looks
> like he's on cloud 9 (he doesn't watch the offside line for instance) he
> does have great awareness. If he's gonna play I think he is the one to play
> as a 10 or a winger but NOT as a no 9. Rutter's assist for Summerville's
> 2nd half goal was fantastic.Maybe an unopular view, but I would play
> Bamford at no 9. Ok, he's coming on and looking like he's never played as
> he loses possession and the ball bobbles of his shin. He's trying too hard
> but watch the runs he makes. He's totally not tuned into his team mates
> though so he looks a bit stupid but given a run I have no doubt he will
> score in most matches. He might not get the chance to prove me right though.
> Second half, I thought we played well and on another day maybe this is a
> 3-1 , 4-1 result but our finishing was poor and because of that we only got
> the point. Their goal was awful. Their centre half decided to go for a
> wander into the box. Their tricky  right winger floated over a decent cross
> and we just couldn't deal with it. Was it Archie of Rodon ? Whoever it was
> should have done better. Poor defending. If it was Rodon, it was probably
> his only mistake because he did really well against a really tricky, pacey
> and strong forward (Simms).
> The game started to get tetchy and ref started booking everyone which was
> totally at odds to his first half approach. It threatened to boil over and
> Summervile looked like he lost his head at the final whistle. He was on a
> yellow so very stupid. Luckily he didn't get a red.
> Scores:
> Meslier 

Re: [LU] Swansea

[Robert Heath]

I think KP's, right at the end of the first PL season perhaps, may have
been the last...and IIRC that was mainly down to some pretty
pathetic goalkeeping. I think Greenwood has had a few efforts which have at
least come close.

We did score from a freekick into the box v Chelsea at home last year
(Rodrigo).

On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 11:54 AM nattan--- via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

>  We were saying the same. Tried to work out the last time we scored direct
> from a free kick - started with Eddie Lewis ! Then recalled KP getting one
> We decided the last we could recall was probably by Raphinha and he has
> been gone a full season and a half
> Any advance ??DaveOn Thursday, 30 November 2023 at 22:22:27 GMT, Tim
> Whelan via Leedslist  wrote:
>
>
> Is it just me, or is anyone else getting tired of the fact that we
> haven't hit a decent free kick all season? Certainly no goals direct
> from free kicks, or even any that went remotely close or forced the
> keeper to make a decent save. (There might have been one that floated
> gently over the wall straight at the keeper, but I don't count that).
> And I can't remember any goals coming from free kicks crossed into the
> box.
>
> When we got a free kick in a dangerous position early in the second half
> last night I predicted that Summerville would step up and shoot straight
> into the wall, but I was wrong. In fact, Piroe stepped up and put it
> straight into the wall instead.
>
> This is why I was sorry to see Sam Greenwood go out on loan, but I
> suppose that being the best set piece taker available doesn't get you
> selected if your all round game isn't quite good enough. (See also James
> Ward-Prouse and England).
>
> But the players who are still with us are a talented bunch, so surely
> there must be at least one of them we could train up to become a free
> kick specialist. Can't Daniel Farke just pick one and tell them to
> practise?
>
> Rant over.
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Richard Walker via Leedslist" 
> To: "nat...@sky.com" ; "Robert Heath"
> 
> Cc: "leeds list" 
> Sent: Thursday, 30 Nov, 23 At 17:20
> Subject: Re: [LU] Swansea
>   Agree with all that especially Piroe who definitely had his
> bestgame.Very commanding in an advanced midfield role and he got his
> goal which backs up Farke's theory.
> I think Sumerville is excellent and I agree that he could go right to
> the top. I think he's got more 'in his locker' than Sterling ever had.
> He's one of those rare players that you know something is going to
> happen when it gets the ball. Eddie Gray had that ability but none many
> do. I can't currently same the same about Rutter, but he does do things
> that you don't often see on a football pitch especially at this level, I
> think he just needs some consistency. He was awful at Rotherham.
> I also think Swansea caused us a lot of problems in the first half
> without testing the keeper much but they were lively and overall it was
> a good win.
> Bamford is trying way to hard but he looks fit and you just know he will
> score goals if given the chance but at the moment you just can't drop
> Piroe or Rutter.
> I see Farke was talking about Ayling and his decision to exclude him
> from the squad because of Gray and Spence's inclusion. Said it was one
> of the hardest decisions he's had to make. Unfortunately, Ayling has
> declined rapidly and everytime he plays now you can see his legs have
> gone. I think Liam C is on the way as well.
>
> On Thursday, 30 November 2023 at 16:44:14 GMT, Robert Heath
>  wrote:
>
>   That was my first time seeing Farke's Farkers in the flesh. The
> atmosphere
> was indeed weirdly flat. Credit to the Welsh who managed to enliven
> things
> for the last 20 mins with a nonstop rendition of an (obviously new)
> chant
> about Yanick Bolasie.
>
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Re: [LU] Swansea

[Robert Heath]

That was my first time seeing Farke's Farkers in the flesh. The atmosphere
was indeed weirdly flat. Credit to the Welsh who managed to enliven things
for the last 20 mins with a nonstop rendition of an (obviously new) chant
about Yanick Bolasie.

S/ville & Georgenius really are thrilling to watch. I think they are both
destined for the very top of the game (almost certainly not in a white
shirt, so let's enjoy 'em while we can.) Other than that, I thought Kamara
is an excellent player. Piroe, too, had his best game for us. I know many
people moan that he's not playing as an out-and-out striker, but I think he
is great where he is in a very fluid front line. Interesting to see Gray
venturing into Alexander Arnold territory at times.

I thought Swa/sea were actually a pretty decent side and they had a really
good spell from min 15 to 45. We have had a nasty habit of conceding goals
in minute 46, so it was great to score one this time instead. Sw/sea had
been playing a noticeably high line, and Piroe had made a little run behind
several times, but we chose not to hoof it up.then Georgenius
set off, and this time Ampadu launched it, and how brilliantly did the lad
finish it!

On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 10:09 AM nattan--- via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

> Back on track - good victory
> The most amazing first 5 minutes of any game , i had literally just stood
> in my place  to see the ball being crossed to an unmarked James who fired
> home , what a start, only to see the offside flag. We were still glaring at
> the linesman when i looked up to see a Swansea player lobbing it over
> Meslier and into the net. So instead of the great start it was the worst
> start. Howver the madnees was not over as , what felt like seconds later ,
> Summerville sprinted past 2 players and played it through to Piroe who
> passed it with aplomb into the bottom corner.After that opening nothing
> much happened as the 2 teams cancelled each other out. A header from a
> corner by struik our only effort of note - he needs to start scoring from
> these
> The crowd was as quiet as i can remember,  the atmosphere was so flat and
> dead, even the gary speed tribute was half hearted.
> Then on the stroke of half time,  a hopeful punt up the middle by Ampadu,
> Georginio got ahead of the defender and with a sublime first touch,  as
> good as any ever, he controlled it , took another touch and fired home.
> Second half was again played in a library and never really got going but
> on the hi mark the game was put beyond doubt as Bryam won a crunching
> tackle gave it to Georginio who, as he does so often, played a lovely
> weighted pass into Dan James who controlled it a fired into the roof of the
> net. 3-1 game over
> Bamford came on but despite eveyone willing him to score it just isnt
> happening- a ball from Anthony would have been his best chance byt it was
> massively over hit
> Still a good result and 3 more pts
> Dave
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Re: [LU] Any reports on yesterday?

[Robert Heath]

Of course it is perfectly true that it was still 0-0 after that penalty
miss, but that incident was reminiscent of the disallowed goal in Paris in
1975...you just knew that if we'd have scored then we'd have won,
but equally when we didn't score you just knew we were going to lose.

On Sun, Oct 29, 2023 at 11:12 PM Mark Tuffey  wrote:

> I believe he was the player defending the near post corner.
> Cheers
> Wiscoleeds
>
>
> Cheers
> Mark
>
> 
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of John Lee via
> Leedslist 
> Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2023 6:05 PM
> To: seanscr...@aol.com 
> Cc: Leeds List 2010 ; James A. Lundon @ Yahoo! <
> jameslun...@yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [LU] Any reports on yesterday?
>
> For clarity, we lost the game because we conceded a goal, Bamford's miss
> meant we were still level even after he missed it - he wasn’t responsible
> for their goal!!
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On 29 Oct 2023, at 18:17, seanscribe--- via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
> >
> >  We only lost at Stoke because of the incomprehensible decision to
> allow Bamford to take that penalty. Almost certainly if Summerville or
> Rutter or Ampadu had taken it, we'd have scored and gone on to take three
> points. I have a sinking feeling that that one bizarre decision will cost
> us promotion.
> > Cheers!
> > Seam
> >On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 06:20:34 AM EDT, James A. Lundon @
> Yahoo! via Leedslist  wrote:
> >
> > Folks,
> > I "listened" to it on the WhatsApp group and on Twitter.
> > We are still finding out feet at this level.  We lose at Stoke and then
> batter Huddersfield a few days later - both teams in the lower reaches of
> the division.
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Re: [LU] Quiet after the weekend

[Robert Heath]

Dear me.

He's obviously trying really hard to be coherent here, but I still can't
follow half of it. I think the gist of it is that Elland Road, and indeed
the City of Leeds, are not the same places they were 50 years ago.
Startling revelation!

Still, now that he's gone we can all talk about him behind his back. He was
a prickly, loopy contributor wasn't he? Seemed like a deeply unhappy person
at heart, and like so many people took his anger out on his football team.

P.S. Anybody sad to hear of the death of Francis Lee? No, me neither.

On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 1:26 PM Michael Benjamin  wrote:

> How do you explain anything to someone who forms opinions with no basis
> whatsoever?
> You do not know me.
> You don’t know how I work, or with whom I work.
> If you have any experience with psychiatry, it could make your view
> subjective. I wonder if you have any.
> How on earth my abysmal ability to remember names and terrible spelling
> leads you to racism is a stretch. Even your Brownian-movement-like logic
> shudders under that burden.
>
> I had some introspection as I walked out, not only on the LUFC list and
> WhatsApp. I told the National Insurance & the Ministry of Health to fuck
> off.
> What is there in common? It's not an age issue, as you may think. I
> decided that life is too short to pretend I am happy and belong when I do
> not.
>
> The boards I sat on in both places are known to be
> institutionalised-central & not functioning to promote patient’s
> well-being.  In both cases, after a long process over the years, I knew
> that I neither identified with their aims nor wished to be identified with
> what they were doing.  I am very happy with a Health Provider who
> appreciates what I am and what I do. Along with patients’ gratitude, what
> more do I need?
>
> The same goes for LUFC and its supporters, as represented by you. I love
> Leeds; it is a major part of who I am. With my parents’ passing and the
> exodus of so many Jews, the Leeds I knew is gone.
> As I have often said, the one place I felt not merely a part of a minority
> but ‘completely belonged’ was ER. That sense of belonging whilst being a
> minority is also something integral to my ‘worldview.’
> Even so,  people like you make me uneasy, apart and alone again.
>
>
> I do not belong with you, I am uneasy with you, the city has changed and
> is not what it was, and the team is no longer the main standard bearer of
> Leeds—it is something else. I do not know what. But whatever it is, it is
> not what I fell in love with and Marched On Together with.
>
> That’s my answer, John & you can do what you want with it. If you wish,
> post it in my name on the list– I have left.
>
> Keep well
>
> -- Michael
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> * Dr  Michael Benjamin, Community Psychiatrist. Oranit, ISRAEL *SKYPE:
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>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 4, 2023 12:40 PM
> *To:* Michael Benjamin 
> *Cc:* Robert Heath ; Kevin Lewis <
> kevlewi...@googlemail.com>; Leeds List 2010 
> *Subject:* Re: [LU] Quiet after the weekend
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> It has always been a mystery to me how someone with psychiatric issues
> could see you as part of any solution? That mystery continues!
>
> John
>
>
>
> Ps - noted you avoided the subject of racism - convenient?
>
>
>
> On 4 Oct 2023, at 09:56, Michael Benjamin  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Thanks for nothing
> Whoever is in charge – unsubscribe me
> FYI – I am still working and very fit
> As for attention seeking
> I leave that to you
>
> -- Michael
>
>
>
>
> **
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [LU] Quiet after the weekend

[Robert Heath]

"After Saturday I gave up. "

Really?

OK, bye then.

On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 6:59 PM Michael Benjamin  wrote:

> It is.nt a must win because we are back to our level, as an upper
> mid-table second division team.
> Aim for play offs, milk the supporters and flog off developing players who
> are here just to get somewhere else.
> The twerp-like preparation for the season showed exactly what we are
> dealing with.
> Why we bought this Gueyva or whatever his name is beyond me.
> After Saturday I gave up. I've seen this carnival so many times.
> I've been here 75 years, I still work and am not dottled. I resent being
> told out. Saturday showed just who we have and what fight there is. None.
> We supporters are mugs.
> This club is going nowhere. We have missed the boat and the gap to where
> we should have been is simply unbridgeable.
> There are no more must wins, they are for teams and clubs with ambition
> and guts. We don't, and it's too late.
>
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> From: Leedslist  on behalf of John Lee via
> Leedslist 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2023 8:00:22 PM
> To: Kevin Lewis 
> Cc: Leeds List 2010 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Quiet after the weekend
>
> Still work in progress I know, but I hope we see Rodon & Gray back in for
> Coops and Kamara. All our squad will have a role to play this season, but
> for now playing our best xi seems like a good idea?
>
> Whilst Cooper sometimes plays well, there is undeniably a nervousness in
> Meslier when Coops is in front of him.
>
> 3 points v QPR is a must tomorrow!
>
> > On 3 Oct 2023, at 14:29, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist 
> wrote:
> >
> > All very quiet after the weekend performance.  I guess the team are
> allowed
> > a game where the never really get going. Conversely Soton took every
> > opportunity they got and Leeds could not really come to terms with
> Alcaraz?
> > Playing the false 9.  Cooper in particular was dragged into all sorts of
> > strange areas.
> > I don't think him and Struijk work too well together and think I would
> > prefer to see Rodon with one or other.
> >
> > Whilst Farke has done well to get anything like a decent squad/team
> > together I dothink there are areas where the balance is all wrong.
> >
> > Having right footers at left-back and left wing seems to really limit the
> > success down that side. Summerville and James when on that side only come
> > back inside, as do Shackleton or Byram at Left back.  Anthony looks the
> > best bet for the moment as although right footed, he is preepared to go
> > both ways.  I'd pick Summerville on the right ahead of James as he has
> more
> > Variety.
> >
> > It is not getting the best out of Piroe at No 10.  Him playing 2nd
> striker,
> > means that the midfield is often outnumbered. I'd like to see him up
> front,
> > but confess I don't know who would go in the 10 role.  Perhaps a 3 man
> > midfield of Ampaudu, Kamara and Gray.
> >
> > Lastly I'm not sure about Rutter. He did have a blinder v Watford, but he
> > looks to me like one of those players who frustrates 90% of the time,
> then
> > does something brilliant. As when he raced round the Soton defence and
> then
> > made a poor choice.
> >
> > Perhaps he would be best cutting in from the right to join the attack
> from
> > there.
> >
> > Anyway, if we win the next 2 home games we will be back on track, so it
> > might be better than I fear.
> >
> > KOT.
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Re: [LU] Watford

[Robert Heath]

Sadly I tend to agreethere is nothing really to look forward to
if we go back up except hoping flat track bullies like Salah & Harland
don't score too many against us as we struggle to keep our heads above
water again. Can't hope we don't do it though.

On Sun, Sep 24, 2023 at 2:40 PM Michael Benjamin  wrote:

> Saw today Brighton playing Bournmouth today.
> Two third division teams with funny money.
> I am loving this  season,  but hoping not to go up.
> It's not football or a sport
>
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> *From:* Leedslist  on behalf of nattan---
> via Leedslist 
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 24, 2023 4:20:24 PM
> *To:* Robert Heath 
> *Cc:* leeds list 
> *Subject:* Re: [LU] Watford
>
> As you no doubt realise the Anthony / Sinisterra quote was very much
> tongue in cheek at the moment but my son knows a Bournemouth fan and he was
> gutted to see Anthony basically being swapped for Sinisterra
> Agree re Adams - Ampadu has more to his game than Adams, the only question
> is can he do it in the Prem ?
> Got to do it for a longer spell to take over from KP  , and again KP did
> it at a higher level
> I have  not watched  Ampadu playing for Wales but presumably he is doing
> well enough to suggest he will be fine in Prem.
> On Sunday, 24 September 2023 at 12:10:59 BST, Robert Heath <
> heathpalai...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  If Anthony allows us to ask who the f is Sinisterra, I'd say
> Ampadu's magnificence begs the question who the f is Tyler
> Adams.and maybe even, dare I say, who the f is Kalvin Phillips?
> On Sun, Sep 24, 2023 at 10:49 AM nattan--- via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>
> Well the good times are back at ER , after the dross of last season and 3
> draws this , we returned to winning ways, and how. It will never make up
> for the play off final humiliation  but yesterday put Watford back in their
> box. We hammered them   totally outclassed them from start to finish and
> 3-0 flattered them.
> We did it with some lovely football and very good goals,  and Georginio
> was at the heart of it all, fast becoming a fan favourite with his step
> overs , fancy footwork and a huge smile on his face.  Not worth £30m ( very
> few , if any,  are) but looking an excellent and exciting player at this
> level.
> Watford were as poor a side as i have seen for many a season but we made
> them look worse as Ampadu and Kamara  ( looking a good buy on this
> evidence) totally dominated possession and the midfield battle, allowing
> our flair players to shine, Georginio,  Summerville and James , with 2
> assists - would have been 3 but Georginio missed a sitter and perhaps
> should have had a penalty after being put through by an amazing ball by
> Piroe , end product at  last- did indeed shine,  and Piroe showed he is
> going to score loads
> The defence was solid Byram and Shack marauding forward at times and busy
> throughout , Cooper and Struik mopped everything up and Meslier,  such a
> change after being bombarded with shots,  most of which he failed to save,
> last season,  got out of his deckchair and put out his cigar ( so easy had
> his afternoon been) to pull off a great save right at the end to keep a
> 4th, count them, 1 2 3 4 clean sheet.
> Jaiden Anthony came on to top the afternoon off with 2 bits of skill,
> beating 2 players and having a shot saved, then running onto Georginio' s
> brilliantly weighted through ball to finish with aplomb , who the f is
> Sinisterra?
> A great afternoon,  a bit nervy first half when a miss by Georginio , a
> disallowed goal by the same player, and good saves from Ampadu  and
> Summerville 3 times, had us wondering if this would be a repeat of the
> Sheff Wed game.
> A great first goal , another to " copy and put in the book " settled
> nerves, Georginio  beat 2 players, fed James who ran forward and picked out
> Piroe, stood where the best goal hangers stand and he finished from a yard
> out. If the result was ever in doubt that changed 3 minutes later when a
> James corner was well met by Byram who headed home from the penalty
> spot.Then the icing on the cake- Georginio got the ball in midfield beat a
> few defenders with an audacious step over and other fantastic footwork to
> then feed Anthony who fired home
> We knew August would be a car wreck, but we came through it relatively
> unscathed in terms of results, and now have a team and manager who we can
> grow to love and  who, on recent showings,  have enough quality and
> strength in depth to really tear up this league. We won easily yesterday
> without Gray and Rodon ( along with Ampadu) our players of the season,  and

Re: [LU] Watford

[Robert Heath]

If Anthony allows us to ask who the f is Sinisterra, I'd say
Ampadu's magnificence begs the question who the f is Tyler
Adams.and maybe even, dare I say, who the f is Kalvin Phillips?

On Sun, Sep 24, 2023 at 10:49 AM nattan--- via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

> Well the good times are back at ER , after the dross of last season and 3
> draws this , we returned to winning ways, and how. It will never make up
> for the play off final humiliation  but yesterday put Watford back in their
> box. We hammered them   totally outclassed them from start to finish and
> 3-0 flattered them.
> We did it with some lovely football and very good goals,  and Georginio
> was at the heart of it all, fast becoming a fan favourite with his step
> overs , fancy footwork and a huge smile on his face.  Not worth £30m ( very
> few , if any,  are) but looking an excellent and exciting player at this
> level.
> Watford were as poor a side as i have seen for many a season but we made
> them look worse as Ampadu and Kamara  ( looking a good buy on this
> evidence) totally dominated possession and the midfield battle, allowing
> our flair players to shine, Georginio,  Summerville and James , with 2
> assists - would have been 3 but Georginio missed a sitter and perhaps
> should have had a penalty after being put through by an amazing ball by
> Piroe , end product at  last- did indeed shine,  and Piroe showed he is
> going to score loads
> The defence was solid Byram and Shack marauding forward at times and busy
> throughout , Cooper and Struik mopped everything up and Meslier,  such a
> change after being bombarded with shots,  most of which he failed to save,
> last season,  got out of his deckchair and put out his cigar ( so easy had
> his afternoon been) to pull off a great save right at the end to keep a
> 4th, count them, 1 2 3 4 clean sheet.
> Jaiden Anthony came on to top the afternoon off with 2 bits of skill,
> beating 2 players and having a shot saved, then running onto Georginio' s
> brilliantly weighted through ball to finish with aplomb , who the f is
> Sinisterra?
> A great afternoon,  a bit nervy first half when a miss by Georginio , a
> disallowed goal by the same player, and good saves from Ampadu  and
> Summerville 3 times, had us wondering if this would be a repeat of the
> Sheff Wed game.
> A great first goal , another to " copy and put in the book " settled
> nerves, Georginio  beat 2 players, fed James who ran forward and picked out
> Piroe, stood where the best goal hangers stand and he finished from a yard
> out. If the result was ever in doubt that changed 3 minutes later when a
> James corner was well met by Byram who headed home from the penalty
> spot.Then the icing on the cake- Georginio got the ball in midfield beat a
> few defenders with an audacious step over and other fantastic footwork to
> then feed Anthony who fired home
> We knew August would be a car wreck, but we came through it relatively
> unscathed in terms of results, and now have a team and manager who we can
> grow to love and  who, on recent showings,  have enough quality and
> strength in depth to really tear up this league. We won easily yesterday
> without Gray and Rodon ( along with Ampadu) our players of the season,  and
> without Gnonto.  We have still not seen  Cresswell this season or Bamford,
> and Gruev is still waiting to start, plus Spence
> Things are looking good and Farke cotinues to impress.
> Happy times are back at ER
>
> Dave
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Re: [LU] Wednesday ( Saturday)

[Robert Heath]

Get used to games like this, lads. Pretty much every team is going to come
to ER with that gameplan. That's over 180 mins this week we have thrown all
we've got at a packed defence and garnered one scrambled goal. I think,
despite the fact that all our "stars" have legged it over the horizon, that
we are still going to lose loads of players to international squads in the
next week. Nevertheless, I hope Farke has enough of a rump of the team left
to work on ways to get past these low blocks. Farke has been hugely
impressive so far.but now the real acid test arrives. Can he mould
this lot we are left with into a potent Div 2 side?

Anyway.an international break in which we are condemned to
watching the bloody Wales matches! What a comedown!

On Sun, Sep 3, 2023 at 3:25 PM Nick  wrote:

> These “Happy 70th Birthday, John” messages are brough to you by the
> Sheffield Wednesday society of entertainers and fun-loving footballers.
>
>
> A madly frustrating game. Sheff W were set up not to lose. They bullied
> our ’star’ forwards relentlessly and were allowed to by the ref. You could
> see that had we got a goal we would have got 4. But we didn’t.
>
> The keeper made two very good reflex saves to keep out Rutter and
> Summerville. And Gnonto had a decent shout for a penalty ignored.
>
> Meslier - good at the saving and shot stopping, less good on the
> distribution - although he was probably following orders
> Ayling - as soon as we get the ball he disappears up the wing, beyond the
> midfield…which makes it really hard for him to get back and cover defensive
> duties. Missed a carbon copy of the header he scored again WBA
> Shackleton - one of our best players on the day, and yet he’s not a left
> back - when did we last have a good left back, was it really Dorigo?
> Rodon - not convinced yet. There’s something there, but there’s also
> something missing - bit like a new Pontus without the flare
> Struijk - I like him, I think he’s a good player - the Dutch and the
> Belgian national teams don’t come calling for bad players - yet, there is
> always something lurking just waiting to go wrong.
> Ampadu - signing of the season so far - energy, tackling, commitment and
> decent passing
> Gray - looks to me like a young Gary McAllister - needs time and support -
> and like Ampadu, needs movement ahead for when he has the ball
> Summerville - I like him, pretty much unstoppable when running with the
> ball, needs to get his head up and release the thing earlier sometimes -
> needs referees to understand the fouling he is subjected to
> Piroe - hardly saw him - as a withdrawn striker - doesn’t seem to make
> sense - poor first touch, poor free kick
> Rutter - one or two good things, nice subtle touches through for running
> teammates might have come to more. Also one dreadful attempt to lob the
> keeper when through on goal that just feel into the keeper’s arms.
> Gnonto - got a battering off their defenders but kept getting back up and
> fighting on. Deserved more, including a penalty.
>
> Spence - came on and immediately made two really good blocks
> Kamara - not on long enough to have an opinion.
>
> They came and got their first point of the season. So having failed to
> beat the bottom team the week after beating the top team, this feels like
> points lost.
>
> Nick
>
> > On 3 Sep 2023, at 09:31, nattan--- via Leedslist 
> wrote:
> >
> > As Rich W has already said this was not the fun in the sun we were all
> hoping for.The rail strike ( we had to get my daughter in law to come from
> Salford to pick us up - what a darling) meant the pubs were sparse as
> presumably more fans drove, but the mood was upbeat , general feeling about
> Sinisterra and all the rest was" fuck em" and we dont want any of them
> back., but that a game against a poot Wednesday side was just what we
> needed It should have been that way as we did create chances and more half
> chances but they were all fluffed. Piroe , our greatest hope, really showed
> why he is not in the Prem as he dragged his only opportunity well wide -
> for some bizzare reason our new no9 , with his amazing goalscoring record
> was playing behind Rutter.  Rutter fairly ineffective missed 2 good
> chances,  the first well saved the second a soft chip right into the
> keepers hands. Shack had a good shot just wide from outside the box,
> Summerville blasted 2 over, and Ayling missed an identical  header to the
> one he got v west brom.
> > Wednesday offered almost nothing but had 2 chances all game, the first
> Mes looking more like his old self came out well to save , the other a
> cross to the penalty spot to an unmarked striker who semed to blast it into
> the ground and over - best chance of the game  A clean sheet is very
> welcome but it was 2 points dropped
> > Hard to be too disappointed,  our season really starts v millwall.
> Farke has 2 weeks to get everything sorted . The players who are here are
> here to stay, whether they like it or no

Re: [LU] Incoming Number Latest - Gruev

[Robert Heath]

Werder Bremen beat Hanover 963-0 on his debut ?! Wow!

On Thu, Aug 31, 2023 at 7:35 PM John Boocock  wrote:

> Leeds United are delighted to announce the signing of Ilia Gruev from
> Bundesliga side SV Werder Bremen, subject to international clearance and
> a work permit.
>
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Re: [LU] Bye bye jack

[Robert Heath]

The problem is .. which decent, or even half-decent, player is
going to want to join us? It's all very well for us to all berate them for
"not getting players in", but in the current financial state of football,
it aint that easy. Just last week a goodish player chose
Bourne-bloody-mouth over us, whilst I don't know if he actually had to
choose but Hamer, an alleged target, went to Sheff-bloody-ield United. My
hunch is that we agreed a fee for that Nat Phillips, but his agent said
"hang on, let's see if I can't persuade some Premier League outfit to buy
you." Lu-bloody-ton Town will probably be panicking enough after the next
game or two that they will see him as a good prospect.

I think our only hope is to pick up a few goodish lads on loan at the end
of Aug who are deemed surplus to PL requirements.

On Mon, Aug 14, 2023 at 10:47 AM nattan--- via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

> So yet another player leaves with no money coming in , what an absolute
> and utter shambles we are
> Unlike the other 11 or whatever who i was glad to see the back of and who
> are already forgotten,  jackie has been  really good for us.
> A real mainstay of the Bielsa team he always gave his all on the pitch and
> was always trying to improve himself.He had a magic first touch and scored
> / created some great and really important goals for us
> A shame he would not stay and fight to get us  back up - though given the
> current mess who can blame him wanting out?- but he, at least goes leaving
> good memories and with (half) my best wishes
> After the Brum debacle and 2 keepers on a not full bench, i am almost glad
> to be going away and missing Friday's game
> I feel sorry for Farke having to deal with yet another set of incompetent
> owners
> Dave
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Re: [LU] 49ers now in charge

[Robert Heath]

!00% in agreement with that assessment Richard.except I fear
that "what Adams wants" is a move to Liverpool or Newcastle.

On Sat, Jun 10, 2023 at 6:55 AM Richard Walker via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

> I remember last time we had a takeover by a group who really didn’t have
> the club at heart, the Elland Road crowd clapped them as they walked around
> the pitch on a warm Summer’s day and Wales up to the East Stand boxes. I
> didn’t - they looked like chancers and they were. Yes, they took over from
> Ken Bates but were actually worse owners.49ers at least know sport and at
> least know success BUT do they really care about English ‘soccer’ ? Let’s
> hope so! First thing they could do is make Tyler Adams captain and give him
> what he wants.
>
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>
> On Friday, June 9, 2023, 11:09 pm, John Boocock  wrote:
>
> Nuff said
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Re: [LU] Sam Gone!

[Robert Heath]

P.S. Watching the Tott match live (on TV) the camera swung round to show
the list of the Leeds fans who had died over the last 12 months (and who
were being applauded by players and crowd.) The shot only lingered on the
list for a millisecond I was able to read and register one name
only...and that name was David Dowden.

On Fri, Jun 2, 2023 at 4:40 PM Nicholas Armit via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

>  Not seen it yet as I was traveling. Not sure I want to put myself through
> that. The highlights were horrific enough.
> Nick
> On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 09:30:29 AM EDT, Nick <
> n...@6haroldplace.co.uk> wrote:
>
>  Never wanted him anywhere near the club… busted flush years ago…dinosaur
> tactics / mentality
>
> His only use was an indicator of how far we have slipped in 15 months
>
> Still, he has nicked off with half a million of our dosh, for sweet FA.
>
> Nick
>
> > On 2 Jun 2023, at 14:27, John Lee via Leedslist 
> wrote:
> >
> > Glad to see the back of him to be honest Kev, and I suspect we’ll have
> an announcement re a new manager long before a month has passed? Quite what
> happens next will be intriguing.
> >
> > I finally got to watch the Spurs game this morning, having been away all
> week. Really, the defending is shocking - how can you leave Kane simply
> standing on his own?
> >
> > Irrelevant now, of course, but embarrassing!
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >> On 2 Jun 2023, at 12:17, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> So Fat Sam has gone then!
> >> I think that has put the nail in any prospect of an immediate return.
> >>
> >> Whilst never being delighted about him being there in the first place,
> if
> >> he’d been given a season, with a bit of authority over transfers during
> the
> >> ownership wrangle, we would at least have been able to start preparing
> for
> >> next year.  It is going to take at least a month to put anyone in place
> >> now, one would think, leaving very little time to get the players in to
> >> replace those who will leave.
> >>
> >> KOT
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Re: [LU] LUST Statement

[Robert Heath]

"We have suffered watching poor football and worse results but have
consistently supported the players and stuck with the team until the
bitter end."

Er, well apart from singing "You're not fit to wear the shirt" on
several occasionsand booing and abusing players as they were
subbed.and throwing Rutter's shirt back at him when he tossed it
into the crowdand sending death threats to players.

It has not been a great season by any stretch, but probably for me the
worst thing has been seeing (many of) the so-called fantastic Leeds fans
showing no real support at all.

On Mon, May 29, 2023 at 7:03 PM John Boocock  wrote:

> I make no comment
>
> https://lufctrust.com/article/relegation-it-s-impossible
>
> At the start of the season, Andrea Radrizzani brazenly dismissed the
> risk of a survival battle for Leeds United, claiming relegation was
> "impossible".
>
> Well Andrea, it all feels very possible right now.
>
> The responsibility for our relegation lies with the people in charge. In
> another long, frustrating, and depressing season, the club has either
> made the wrong decisions or taken too long to make the right ones,
> leading to poor and forced choices.
>
> We won't list the failures and shortcomings here - it's plain to see
> what has gone wrong. It feels like a lifetime ago since the standards of
> Marcelo Bielsa turned this club into something Leeds United fans could
> be proud of, and we are now, quite literally, back in the same place we
> were 5 years ago.
>
> The fans can once again say that we have upheld our part of the bargain.
> We have suffered watching poor football and worse results but have
> consistently supported the players and stuck with the team until the
> bitter end.
>
> Despite this, there has often been a level of contempt shown for fans.
> We have seen the (ex) Director of Football goading fans, the Owner
> making outlandish statements in the media (and directly to fans on
> Twitter), and day-to-day supporter services and match day experience
> significantly decline.
>
> Trust has to be rebuilt between ownership and the wider fan base.
>
> As we prepare for life back in the Championship what can we expect? Who
> will own the club come August?
>
> How soon can we expect to see key staff appointments made?
>
> Earlier this week, we put the following questions to the club to try and
> understand what is in the plans going forward.
>
>   *
>
> What do you believe has gone wrong?
>
>   *
>
> What are the plans for the club's ownership and how quickly can we
> expect a definitive answer?
>
>   *
>
> When will a Director of Football/Head of Football Recruitment
> appointment be made and what will the recruitment strategy be?
>
>   *
>
> Do we expect to start the new season with a new manager and how
> quickly are those decisions going to be made?
>
>   *
>
> How does the club's ownership structure plan to re-engage with
> fans and rebuild the trust they acquired during our promotion from
> the Championship?
>
> The club responded to say they will be addressing the entire fanbase and
> their concerns directly post the final game.
>
> This is a group of fans that fear what the future holds post-relegation
> more than most others, given how traumatic the previous Premier League
> relegation was.
>
> We need clarity and reassurance, and we need it very soon.
>
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Re: [LU] Finally all over.

[Robert Heath]

I think I saw what Allardyce was doing with that lineup...just stop
bloody Kane & Son running riot and keep us in the game for the first hour,
and then, if the other results were going in our favour, bring on some
attackers and really go for it. Also, the 6 CBs might have helped make our
one attacking ploy (the long throw) more potent.

It wasn';t that bad a planfor 90 secs.

On Mon, May 29, 2023 at 8:00 AM Richard Walker via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

> Can anyone explain that team Big Sam picked yesterday? 6 defenders ? And
> then he came out with the same team for the 2nd half. I’m not blaming BS
> for this mess but how on earth you can go into a game like this defensively
> minded is beyond me.6 defenders and we’re 1 down within seconds. Desperate
> day.
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>
>
> On Sunday, May 28, 2023, 11:55 pm, Alec McQueen  wrote:
>
> Time to try to clear the decks, but all depends on who they can persuade
> to manage us in the Championship. It won’t be easy, and I foresee around
> 6th or so next season. Leicester will come straight back up as Champions.
>
> The Rutter signing now looks utterly ridiculous from the perspective of
> the Championship. What a waste.
>
> The main bright point: I think we signed quite a few good young players
> who have been playing well in the U23s… if we can get them to stay, get
> them into the first team asap, and sell/terminate the old guard.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On 29 May 2023, at 08:15, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
> >
> > Meant to say we are ‘not quite’ in the same financial shit as with
> previous
> > relegations, so at least we’ll get good money for some of those who will
> > want to leave. The worry is that some of the rubbish won’t.
> >
> >> On Sun, 28 May 2023 at 22:59,  wrote:
> >>
> >> At least we are not in a Ridsdale scenario? Undoubtedly some
> >> average>hapless players bought, but we were gambling, and eventually our
> >> luck ran out. We deserve to go down, we have not been competitive enough
> >> consistently, and the club needs rodding through to clear the sh*te!
> >>
> >> What comes next will be interesting to see - I’m really hoping some of
> the
> >> recently acquired ‘stars’ leave asap - I don’t see them even being
> >> Championship quality!
> >>
> >> They think it’s all over - it is now! And thank god for that!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 28 May 2023, at 23:06, Kevin Lewis via Leedslist <
> >> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Well that was underwhelming.
> >>> The same individual defensive errors that have been prevalent for the
> >> last
> >>> 4 years have finally taken their toll.
> >>> Coupled with the ability to give away possession softly when committing
> >>> people forward which no manager pr team selection has been able to
> stop.
> >>>
> >>> Is anything remaining of the rise under Bielsa, or are we back to the 8
> >>> years of dross that preceded him?
> >>>
> >>> Radrizani has sorted out a lot of stuff off pitch to be fair, and we
> are
> >> in
> >>> the same financial shit as with previous relegations,  but his (and
> >> Orta’s
> >>> before he left) decisions and actions around players and managers over
> >> the
> >>> past few years have been abysmal. Somehow he now has to appoint the
> right
> >>> people and sign the right players to reverse it.
> >>>
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[LU] Yorkshire v The North Eastern hordes

[Robert Heath]

Not only are we playing Newcashle tomorrow, Yorkshire are playing Durham.

As a keen fan of both, it is uncanny how the fortunes of Yorkshire and LUFC
seem to mirror each other. Take April 9th for example. Yorkshire set
Leicestershire (who I believe hadn't won a game for 2 years) a huge total
to win at Headingley on the final day, so all we had to do was bowl 'em out
to win. Meanwhile (not) far away on the other side of town, Leeds were 1-0
up against a Palace team who hadn't won an away game for months.

Well, we all know how the Palace game ended up, while bloody Leicestershire
calmly knocked off the runs for the loss of only 7 wickets.

Which brings us to tomorrow.

The game at Chester-le-Street is in the balance after 2 days. Malan &
Bairstow will resume in our 2nd innings with a lead of about 100. They will
walk out to the middle an hour and a half before Leeds kick off at Elland
Road.

If Johnny (who is a Leeds fan, by the way) is still there at lunch on 93
not out, I think Leeds could winbut if Yorkshire crumble to 150
all out, we've got no chance at Elland Road.
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Re: [LU] Leedslist Digest, Vol 155, Issue 7

[Robert Heath]

I know I know..stop being so bloody rational!

If they play such lovely football (and i agree they usually do) and have
recruited such great players so well (and I agree they have) HOW THE FUCK
did they manage to lose 5-1 at home to Ever-bloody-ton?!

On Wed, May 10, 2023 at 1:53 PM Al Edgar via Leedslist 
wrote:

>  Date: Wed, 10 May 2023 10:12:04 +0100
> From: Robert Heath 
> To: Alan Edgar 
> Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: Re: [LU] Brighton Rock
>
> Their aim is obviously to qualify for Europe..but their evidently
> more important goal is to make sure Leeds United are relegated!
>
> I hate Brighton.
>
> *
>
> Couldn't disagree more.
>
> Without Brighton we would not have had the use of the best player in the
> Championship in 2019-20 and who knows where we might now be as a result.
>
> They run their club in exactly the way we should aspire to - a great
> scouting network identifies players no-one has heard of, acquires them for
> peanuts, and then the quality of coaching that they receive from the likes
> of Potter and De Zerbi helps to transform them into valuable assets that
> they can hold onto until such a time as they get top dollar for them,
> whilst playing the sort of football that has only been bettered by the top
> two this season.
>
> Aesthetically they are just as compelling to watch as peak Bielsa, they
> don't pi$$ 35m up the wall on a striker that none of our 4 managers since
> February have decided is worth a start (even in our perilous position) and
> if there was any justice in football, they would be contesting the FA Cup
> Final next month.
>
> Hating Brighton is like hating football ...
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Re: [LU] Brighton Rock

[Robert Heath]

OK maybe they weren't officially "on the beach" but they seem to have two
major aims for the season. They lost at Notts the other week, and now they
not only lost at home to Everton but allowed them to boost their goal diff
as well. (This a team with about half a win away all season and about 3
away goals to their name!) Their aim is obviously to qualify for
Europe..but their evidently more important goal is to make sure
Leeds United are relegated!

I hate Brighton. They are now right up there just behind Derby (who, in
about the only piece of good football news in ages, hilariously missed out
on a playoff spot from Div 3 on the final day!)

On Tue, May 9, 2023 at 7:37 PM Alan Edgar via Leedslist <
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>
> > Date: Tue, 9 May 2023 11:24:14 +0100
> > From: Robert Heath 
> > To: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk
> > Cc: Leeds leedslist 
> > Subject: Re: [LU] Well that’s that then…
> >
> > Yeah. Brighton (a town which should be obliterated from the map for
> Crimes
> > Against Leeds United) were clearly on the beach last night.
>
> Really ?!
> Had they won they would have been 5 pts behind a CL spot with at least a
> 15 goal advantage on GD and 5 games to play.
>
> A team that who has never played in Europe has a shot at qualifying for
> the CL, certainly the Europa League and at the very least the one West Ham
> are in, they’ve just beaten Wolves 6-0 and the 4th place team in their last
> 2 home games, and they’re OTB !?
>
> I’m no Allardyce fan, but you can bet he’ll be ensuring that the players
> aren’t bleating about what other teams are doing and are concentrating on
> what they can affect - our own results.
>
> Surely we’ve all watched enough football to know that anything can happen,
> and the 21 goals in the 3 games on Sunday are just the latest reminder of
> that.
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Re: [LU] Well that’s that then…

[Robert Heath]

Yeah. Brighton (a town which should be obliterated from the map for Crimes
Against Leeds United) were clearly on the beach last night. We've all got 3
games left. I think Wham & Totteringham should both be officially OTB by
the time we play them. Unfortunately, all the other teams have 2 OTB games
out of the 3...except Leicester who only have 1. I am classifying
Chelsea v Notts as an OTB game which I expect Chelsea to lose, but you
never know with them. That one game could decide our fate!

On Tue, May 9, 2023 at 10:11 AM John Lee via Leedslist 
wrote:

> We have 3 games to go. We need to win between 1-3 games. It is do-able!
> There’s time aplenty to muse on other leagues, but for now, let’s
> concentrate on staying in the Prem, which will much easier than getting
> there again! If Everton can stick 5 past Brighton, then anything is clearly
> possible!
>
>
> > On 9 May 2023, at 06:05, Michael Benjamin  wrote:
> >
> > Would you rather be us or NCastle?
> > We are playing consecutively against football-washed decadents. Chelsea
> will get their uppance in full from dallying with Putin's toy boy.
> > This is not football, its soccer's equivalent of the Harlem Trotters for
> suitcase bandits.
> > The second division seems far less tainted & thank God we are no longer
> ( & hopefully never will be) Leeds United States.
> > There is nowt wrong with West Yorkshire that needs improving. And the
> German model of ownership without these vermin work perfectly well.
> > We go down, -- the first time that the rats stayed on the stinking
> ship.
> > --Michael
> >
> >
> >
> > Dr  Michael Benjamin,
> > Community Psychiatrist.
> > Oranit,
> > ISRAEL
> >
> > SKYPE: BEDENOGA
> > PHONE: +972-505-317772
> > Online CBT ||   Online Consultations
> > BLOG: Times Of Israel || Quora || Jerusalem Post || MYCYBERTHERAPY BLOG
> > AMAZON AUTHORS PAGE.
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Alec McQueen
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2023 1:33 AM
> > To: Leeds leedslist 
> > Subject: [LU] Well that’s that then…
> >
> > … we are now well and truly fucked. Chance of survival: 5%. Bugger! At
> least we’ll win more games than we lose next season… silver linings.
> >
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Re: [LU] What about tonight?

[Robert Heath]

Yeah I think Barnes has scored in each of his last SIX games against us,
stretching back to when he was on loan at WBA. Bastard! However, I am
pinning my dwindling reserves of optimism on the hope that statistically I
think there is an argument that that fact makes him LESS likely to score
tonight. I might be making this up, but my belief goes something like this:
If he plays v us 1000 times, he is VERY unlikely to score each time. Ergo,
after each match when he DOES score, the chances of him doing so in the
next one are slightly less likely. It's like the old Rosencrantz &
Guildernstern thing: if you toss a coin and it comes down tails 100 times
in a row, what are the chances it will come down tails on the 101st toss?
Actually I think the answer to the latter is supposed to bestill
evens. Which means that Barnes has got just as much chance to score tonight
as any other player. Oh I give up.

I will just pessimistically note that Leicester's 2 best players who are
back again tonight will be up against the 2 areas we are weakest; RB and CM.

On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 2:31 PM Kevin Lewis via Leedslist <
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> Leicester won at the weekend without Maddison or Barnes,  both are likely
> to play tonight. Barnes always scores against Leeds and Maddison needs to
> be kept quiet.
>
> What can we expect from Leeds in terms of shape, selection, style and
> motivation?
>
> IMO if we lose this game there is no way back.  But who is up to it?
> All the options are players who are out of form or just not good enough.
>
> I'd put Forshaw in on the basis that he has some idea how to play the
> defensive midfield role,  compared to any of the others. I'd start Bamford
> up front for the same reason, and I'm happy that any of the wingers could
> play.
>
> Looking at it from the standpoint that we don't want to gift any goals,
> Meslier, Ayling, Struijk, Firpo, Mckennie should all be left out and
> Aaronson, Rutter, Rodrigo, Roca on the basis of being completely
> ineffective.
>
> Not sure that leaves much!
>
> KOT
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Re: [LU] Scouse debacle

[Robert Heath]

To play devils advocate during that 1st 30 mins Meslier didn't have
a save to make & we actually had the best chances. (Ok chance.) The same
was true in the 1st 30 mins v Arse. In both cases we then lost really
unfortunate goals featuring pretty poor refereeing...and after that we
were toast. But if those 2 refs had done their jobs and we'd made it to ht
at 0 0 or even 1 0 up

On Tue, 18 Apr 2023, 18:40 Nicholas Armit via Leedslist, <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

>  Well it doesn't get much worse than that. Forget it was liverpool, we
> were playing a team in 8th place who had scored ZERO , NIL , NOT ONE  goals
> away from home v bottom half teams this season.  Yet our plan was to sit
> back and just let them have the ball, madness. Ok it sort of worked for 30
> minutes but the general feeling was one mistake would cost us the game , we
> did not realise the mistake would be the referees, and we all knew this
> team could not go 90minutes without making lots of mistakes
>
> This is it exactly. I was just waiting for the first goal to go in, there
> was no way we were going to give Liverpool that much of the ball, defend
> that deep and not concede. And once the first one went in was clear which
> way this was going. Our main "weapons" are attacking players, why not play
> to our strengths?
> Nick
> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 05:49:18 AM EDT, nattan--- via Leedslist
>  wrote:
>
>  Well it doesn't get much worse than that. Forget it was liverpool, we
> were playing a team in 8th place who had scored ZERO , NIL , NOT ONE  goals
> away from home v bottom half teams this season.  Yet our plan was to sit
> back and just let them have the ball, madness. Ok it sort of worked for 30
> minutes but the general feeling was one mistake would cost us the game , we
> did not realise the mistake would be the referees, and we all knew this
> team could not go 90minutes without making lots of mistakes
> The first goal, always going to be crucial was a farce, I have heard that
> the handball was too far away from the actual goal for VAR to bother . WTF
> he hand balls it , and 3 passes later it is our net - absolutely dreadful
> decision
> Having said that it is like the old joke where someone is moaning 2 of
> their goals were offside in a 12-0 defeat.
> Once we went behind we had no clue,  our only  bit of joy was when
> Sinisterra ro bed their defender and finished with style. Game on we
> thought, but 2 minutes later it was game off. From that moment on it was
> just a case of how many.
> We have messed up our GD stats in 3 games with minus 12 ( arse palace and
> last night)
> Bit like the players I cant be bothered with the rest of the game other
> than Summerville came on and looked lively, Forshaw came on and looked
> lost  , Rutter came on and looked like he had never seen a football
> Highlight of the evening 2 gobby scouse birds, who thought the whole
> carriage wanted to listen to their inane filming of themselves arrived in
> Manchester to find their only train home at 12.30am was cancelled- only
> time i smiled all night
> So desperate times indeed,  somehow,  from somewhere we need at least 5
> pts from our next 3 games or we are down I reckon
> The fun times under Bielsa feel a long time ago Dave
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[LU] Hands up..........

[Robert Heath]

.if you're a little apprehensive about tonight's game!

After last week, the best I'm hoping for is an honourable loss and the
avoidance of another embarrassing shipment of goals. Anything above that
would be a massive bonus.
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[LU] Rocky!

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What a performance by Rocky Roca last night!!
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Re: [LU] Arse tomorrow...

[Robert Heath]

I'm wondering if we might finally see something of Sinisterra. I thought he
looked really exciting back in September but he's not been properly fit
since. Won't happen tomorrow but a front 5 of Gnonto, Bamford, Rodrigo,
S/ville & Sinisterra would be pretty spectacular reminiscent of
Real Madrid in the 50s.

On Fri, 31 Mar 2023, 14:38 Nicholas Armit via Leedslist, <
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>  Agreed not a chance in hell.
> On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 09:32:37 AM EDT, Richard Walker via
> Leedslist  wrote:
>
>   Not a prayer !  Arguable our best 3 players out. Wober, Adams and Gnonto
> but I hope I'm wrong
> On Friday, 31 March 2023 at 12:08:35 BST, James A. Lundon @ Yahoo! via
> Leedslist  wrote:
>
>  Listers,
> We have gone there before with no hope and done magical things.
> Is it any different this time around?
> James.
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Re: [LU] Brighton or an interesting day at the office for Jack Harrison

[Robert Heath]

"Oh yeah, and Rodrigo was fouled in the box as he went through."

That was SO a penalty! I can't believe they didn't make more of it on Match
of the Day.

What? Oh.

On Sun, Mar 12, 2023 at 12:09 PM Nick  wrote:

> Brighton are a decent well-organised side. They’re not pushing for a
> European place just through luck…
>
> What was obvious was that Garcia set us up as 4-4-2 and has told them to
> stay in position - no wild chasing down, no pressing. This works for
> solidity but removes that 100mph rollercoaster effect - it also allows
> their defenders to stand over the ball time after time, happy that they are
> not going to get challenged. This is something that many in the crowd
> seemed to be made restless by.
>
> Big problem yesterday - apart from Roca & Aaronson’s almost non-existence
> in the middle - was Ayling. It wasn’t that the guy on him was fast and
> tricky - he was - but that he got done 6 times in then first half alone
> just by a lofted ball over the top. He was nowhere near the winger. If you
> get caught once or twice early like that, you drop 5 yards, you move closer
> to the guy. But it kept happening. Then he got out-jumped by the winger at
> the back post, for the first goal. V poor game.
>
> However, Harrison decided he was going to chase and harry, and in doing
> so, closed the defender down, got a bit of luck with the bounce, which just
> rolled along the touchline without going out, fed Bamford, who took a touch
> and smacked in off the crossbar - albeit with a slight deflection. Out of
> nowhere we were level.
>
> Then Jack gets unlucky in the second half with a ball ricocheting around
> the penalty area, eventually bouncing off him and in - he looked like he
> was shaping to clear it, but the winger pressing him, was close enough that
> Harrison could not draw his foot back…and there you go. 1-2.
>
> The second equaliser - coming after Gnonto, Rodrigo and McKennie were
> introduced - came after a reasonable spell of pressure from us, all these
> three pushed us forwards. Short corner from Willie 2-balls, Harrison steps
> inside the defender and lashes it into the far top corner with his right
> foot. Lovely goal.
>
> Couple more half chances each - best fell to Wellbeck who cut in again
> from our right, beat about 3 defenders before hitting the south stand.
>
> I do not buy the doom and gloom - there are 12 games to go, 4 points cover
> about 8 teams (not counting Soton, but that may change after today) -
> plenty of time to get things right. The same people who say “we’re down”
> are the ones who would db going “C’mon Leeds we can do this” if there were
> a 4 point gap with 2 games to go.
>
> Oh yeah, and Rodrigo was fouled in the box as he went through.
>
> Nick
>
>
>
>
> > On 12 Mar 2023, at 11:14, Steve Gillen  wrote:
> >
> > I pretty much agree with all this except to add that yesterday's
> performance was about as poor as I've ever seen of Leeds. I mean insofar as
> we have players of talent who are excellent and may be enough to save us
> but those players are just that. They are not playing much as a team, I'm
> pointing to Utter and to some degree Harrison, they try to do it alone it
> felt. The exception being Gnonto, he did play for others and was the spark
> we were looking for often. I very much got the feeling that our coach has
> laid the law down that we don't all fly forward and leave ourselves open at
> the back (Ayling take note) which meant that we were not as exciting to
> watch as we have been, but not the walkover we used to be - well not as
> much as we used to be, we still had our moments of squeaky bum - sadly
> though that meant that we struggled to force ourselves upon Brighton. I
> honestly could see no way we might score until up popped Bamford, but even
> then he didn't receive service so much as he had to make it himself.
> >
> > I struggle to see how we can make it this year as everyone around us is
> doing something and we aren' - sigh. I am so disappointed.
> >
> > Steve G
> >
> >> On 12 Mar 2023, at 10:09, nattan--- via Leedslist 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Well,  similar to last season we salvaged a point at home v Brighton,
> and similar to last season we left wondering if it is enough. Wins for
> Bournemouth and Everton suggest not,  but to be honest Brighton are a much
> better team this season, as shown both by their league position and the
> fact that their fans were going " ole" after 15mins of dominance even
> though it was still 0 0
> >> Pre game the mood in the pub was down beat, no one could see where our
> goals were going to come from and you can't win if you can't score.
> >> It was good therefore to see Bamford  back up top and Rodrigo on the
> bench , getting back to full fitness
> >> Despite that we were very much second best for long periods of this
> game as a super confident Brighton side all knowing their roles gave us a
> chasing.  It was no surprise when they took the lead , the winger tied Roca
> in knots then crossed over L

[LU] Kerching!

[Robert Heath]

Great to hear that Liverpool fans are going to be reimbursed after the
disturbances in Paris (which obviously had absolutely nothing to do with
ticketless fans trying to storm the stadium as happened at the Euro final).
So no doubt now all the Leeds fans who experienced tear gas, ticketing
chaos and CRS brutality at the 1975 Final in Paris will also get our money
back.
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Re: [LU] Must Win?

[Robert Heath]

I think the big imponderable is what has been going on at Thorp
Arch all week? It seems that Gracia has not been able to start work yet due
to work permit issues (as if Breck-fucking-zit has not caused enough
disaster!) But has he been able to direct Skooby from afar? How much input
and influence has he been able to have? And is such a situation conducive
to any positive changes in performance? Or the opposite?

On Fri, Feb 24, 2023 at 11:14 AM Kevin Lewis via Leedslist <
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> I always think this is an overused term, as there is usually another day to
> fight, and Leeds have 14 more games after tomorrow.
>
> However we need at least another 5 wins this season and Soton at home is
> probably the easiest game have, on paper. So we need at least 4 wins from
> the 5 easiest home games (tomorrow+ Forest, Palace, Brighton and Leicester)
> and then pick up an unexpected victory in one of the others 10 +a few
> draws.
>
> The perpetual injuries won’t help, but you could argue that we are only
> missing Wöber and Rodrigo from our best XI. We should be able to field a
> decent starting team with Aaronson, Rutter, and hopefully Cooper,
> Sinisterra adding to the options. Roca, and Struijk should strengthen the
> bench too.
>
> I’m hopeful, but this is Leeds we’re talking about!
>
> KOT
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Re: [LU] Rutter

[Robert Heath]

Obviously a panic buy. Kinnear & Orta seem to be way too concerned about
their image on twit tok or whatever it's called. There were so many
know-it-alls telling them that they had to buy a striker. But it's not that
easy to get a top striker to come to a relegation-threatened team in
January. Evidently, Rutter was the nearest they could get.

On Tue, Feb 21, 2023 at 5:21 PM Simon McNally via Leedslist <
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> Not a good sign.
> I think it’s a bit too early to write him off but I can’t get my head
> round why we’d pay that amount of money for someone who doesn’t look ready
> for the first team.
>
> Sent from Outlook for iOS
> 
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of Kevin Lewis
> via Leedslist 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2023 5:16:46 PM
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Rutter
>
> Oh dear Dave,
> Unfortunately this was my impression from the bits I’ve seen of him on the
> box.
>
> To me he did not look like a C.Forward at all.  It seems like we have spent
> 35M on a wide player who does not yet look first choice.
>
> I was going to suggest is was time to let him and Aaronson loose this
> weekend in place of Harrison and Summerville.
>
> Perhaps not!!
>
> KOT
>
>
> > I watched his 45min display for the u21s last night and it was far from
> > impressive,  he showed very little and does not seem to be worth £35m at
> > present and there was nothing to suggest he would be effective v
> > Southampton.  I am not writing him off yet but he does not look ready for
> > prem football
> > Aaronson also played the first 45mins and scored a good goal , any hope
> > that this would boost his confidence was short lived as he totally
> fluffed
> > an easier chance minutes later,  he still looked lightweight even amongst
> > younger players ( I know he is young himself) and again I cannot see him
> as
> > our instant saviour
> > We are in big trouble.
> > Some talk re Javi Gracias  signing today, according to my mate who has
> > done some investigating Watford fans liked him, liked his football and
> were
> > disappointed when he was sacked. Here's hoping that he can turn things
> > around if he comes.  My Spanish is not great but his school register in
> > England would have him down as " thank you Javi" so maybe that's what we
> > will be saying at the end of the season
> > Dave
> >
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Re: [LU] Aren’t we ?

[Robert Heath]

Er, not necessarily. For example, if we could beat.well, I
mean if Bamfwell there's always a chance that...

OK yeah. We're fucked.

On Sun, Feb 19, 2023 at 1:32 PM Scott1cairns1 
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> We’re fucked.
>
> Best regards,Scott.
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Re: [LU] ...and if I were the owner

[Robert Heath]

Probably nil but it's academic anyway cos it's never going to
happen.

On Wed, 15 Feb 2023, 19:38 Tim Greenwood, 
wrote:

> And what do you think the chances are that he would accept?
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 12:02 PM Robert Heath 
> wrote:
>
>> ...and, a more distant prospect I admit, if I were the owner, I think
>> I
>> would get Bielsa back now. I'd ask him if he has reflected at all on where
>> things were going wrong and (hopefully receiving a reasonable response)
>> I'd
>> say OK Marcelo look we'll give you the job but we don't want any of these
>> rolling one year contracts. We want to fully commit to 5 years of
>> implementing your philosophy.
>>
>> Then if we did go down it wouldn't be a total disaster. We would lose
>> several very good players (probably Adams, McKennie, Meslier & Harrison),
>> but we should still have a squad that Bielsa could get back up. Then we
>> could start to reap the benefits of all the investment in young players as
>> they mature under the tutelage of Bielsa.
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[LU] ...and if I were the owner

[Robert Heath]

...and, a more distant prospect I admit, if I were the owner, I think I
would get Bielsa back now. I'd ask him if he has reflected at all on where
things were going wrong and (hopefully receiving a reasonable response) I'd
say OK Marcelo look we'll give you the job but we don't want any of these
rolling one year contracts. We want to fully commit to 5 years of
implementing your philosophy.

Then if we did go down it wouldn't be a total disaster. We would lose
several very good players (probably Adams, McKennie, Meslier & Harrison),
but we should still have a squad that Bielsa could get back up. Then we
could start to reap the benefits of all the investment in young players as
they mature under the tutelage of Bielsa.
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[LU] If i were t'gaffer

[Robert Heath]

If I were in charge at Leeds (which, let's face it, is not as outlandish a
prospect as it was 10 days ago, given how far down his list Victor Orta is
going), I would play a flexible 5-2-3:

Ayling & Firpo as wingbacks; Kock, Cooper & Wober CBs; Adams & McK in
midfield; and a front 3 of Wilf, Bamford and somebody with a long name
beginning with S (either one will do.)
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[LU] Selection conundrums for Skoobydoo

[Robert Heath]

Leaving aside any speculation about the new boss, old Skooby has some
tricky calls to make re the lineup for the relegation playoff final on
saturday.

First 2 names on the sheet are the easiest: Meslier and the newly supreme
Ayling. Then(assuming Cooper is fit) you'd think the deutsch
double act has looked very solid and should be retained, BUT we did concede
2 goals from headers 8 yds out in the middle of the goal. You have to
wonder if Cooper might have stopped one of them. So...move Wober to
LB? BUT Firpo had his best game for us last time. Is it fair to drop him?
And let's not forget if Firpo's defensive work is sound, he gives us so
much more going forward. But also Strujk is also available. He has had a
bit of a wobble in recent weeks but has been basically solid all season.

In midfield, it is hard to look beyond Yank 1 & 2 + Harrison.

Up front Gnonto, Bamford and, if Sini is fit, who? Again, it would be harsh
and probably stupid to drop our best attacker from the last game, so
Summerville then.

Having said all that, I have a suspicion that Skooby is bound to basically
take a play-it-safe approach which would mean don't change a winning team
(even though it lost!)
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Re: [LU] Match v " team of weirdos "

[Robert Heath]

For anybody contemplating sticking with Skoobydoo, I have one word for you:
Neil Redfearn. I remember he took over one time and we looked way better
for the first game or two, and he was given the gig on a semi-permanent
basis..but by about game 4 or 5 it was obvious he was way out of
his depth.

On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 10:23 AM nattan--- via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

> As the chant went " follow follow follow, you're a team of f@cking
> weirdos, Ronaldo's a rapist, greenwoods a rapist and Scholes just loves to
> suck toes"Made me laugh even if none of them actually play.
> Very low key police presence at Piccadilly early on, and only a handful of
> fans on our train, met by a handful of coppers at Leeds. Then massed ranks
> of police at the barrier and even stranger ( I wondered for a second if the
> pub had been given to them) 5 vans and 15 or so police outside the west
> Ridings.  This was the scum game.Team news was as expected but the bench
> showed how we are suffering yet again with injuries as Gyabi, Monteiro,
> Joseph and Mullen all made the bench. Not much there if we needed a boost.
> At the bus queue my lad got into it with some knob ( unfortunately not the
> only one as it turned out) who sang the runway song, then after my lads
> comment, tried to double and triple down with version of Daisy daisy and
> the laughing policeman ( not putting words on here) - no one joined in as
> we berated him , his " excuse" one of them was buried in a cemetery near
> him and it got attention. What a dick. He later remembered it was David
> Pegg ( buried in Doncaster)
> Inside the ground it was the right type of hostility near us, the new song
> as above , we all hate scum etc, with lots of backing for us " Billy
> bremner's barmy army" - great stuff. The cheer when Adams thundered into
> the first tackle leaving their player on the deck was brilliant
> We really got at them and Summerville missed an easy chance early on, and
> he had another before half time in a half of few chances,  Meslier had to
> save with his feet as s woeful pass from the mainly excellent Wober let in
> that hateful Fernandes  what a horrible player he is whining moaning and
> trying to referee it
> Second half ( till last 10) was even  better as we created lots of half
> chances, summerville had a save, Harrison had a flick just wide, koch had a
> header blocked,Ayling came closest with a shot that ricocheted through a
> scum players legs and went wide,  he followed it up with a great overhead
> kick that unfortunately went straight to the keeper.  We pressed and
> pressed but it was not to be. At the other end their first attack led to
> them hitting the bar, then on 80 minutes it all fell, apart. We had made
> changes Harrison and Bamford off for Rutter and aaranson and it didn't work
> and tiredness crept in. We left Rashford clear in the box and a good cross
> found him 0-1 , minutes later their sub zoomed past Koch and his shot
> sneaked in. Game over. It  could have been worse as they put it in twice
> more but both offside. So a 2 - 0 defeat in a game we could have won
> The now familiar comment after the game   " play like this and we will be
> all right"Trouble is , so far we have only played like that v good teams
>  and have not a lot to show for it , defeats by Arsenal,  Spurs,  scum ( ok
> win  v Chelsea and liverpool).We need to play like that v poor teams
> starting with the next two and we need to score when on top
> All the players gave their all and before Wednesday,  a point and only
> minus 2 in the goals column may have been acceptable but not when  2 up in
> the first game and the better team for 80 minutes of the second.
> We need to get points , at least 4 in the next 2, and turn things around.
> This week has given us more hope but not much more than that. Summerville
> and Gnonto are brilliant to watch and Adams and big boy McKinney give us a
> strong base in midfield and Wober has improved us at the back, so it is not
> a lost cause by any means,.
>  Finally a well done to Firpo best game yet ( albeit a low bar) he was ok
> defensively and offered more than Struijk going forward
> Let's get the new manager in quickly and hope he us the right man, this
> team could be decent
> Dave
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Re: [LU] Forest

[Robert Heath]

Yeahdid you see the video on the official website of his
signing..it shows him taking his medical and he's got two bloody
spare tyres round his waist!

On Tue, Feb 7, 2023 at 12:06 AM Nicholas Armit via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

>  Mckennie certainly needs some Bielsa diet. And must have given the ball
> away more than any other debutant in history.
> Nick
> On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 12:40:11 PM EST, Simon McNally via
> Leedslist  wrote:
>
>  One of the limpest performances for a long time that second half.
> Really not sure what he sees in Greenwood and the new lad McKennie looks
> to be carrying a bit of timber.
> We could have played all night and not scored.
> I agree regarding the squad but I worry the board will leave it too late
> to get rid.
> They seemed to have properly doubled down on him - signing some more of
> his players and appointing his mate as assistant.
>
> Sent from Outlook for iOS
> 
> From: Richard Walker 
> Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2023 5:25:58 PM
> To: nat...@sky.com ; Simon McNally ;
> bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk 
> Cc: leeds list 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Forest
>
> Hope so. We have one tactic and that’s give the ball to Gnonto. Forest
> nullified that in the 2nd half and we were toothless 2nd half. We totally
> ran out of ideas.
> I think there’s enough talent in the team to stay up but I can’t see it
> with Marsch in charge.
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>
>
> On Sunday, February 5, 2023, 5:12 pm, nat...@sky.com 
> wrote:
>
> Pascal is being ruined - a decent centre back being played out of position
> long after it stopped working - his confidence is totally shot . We have
> got a good player in wober but he is not a left back so we only have Firpo
> Looking at social media tonight Jesse is done
>
> On Sunday, 5 February 2023 at 17:06:50 GMT, Richard Walker via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>
>
> That was the worst left back performance since Ronnie Robinson. Absolutely
> rubbish.
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>
>
> On Sunday, February 5, 2023, 3:01 pm, Simon McNally via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>
> Yes.
> Really poor from Pascal to give the free kick away and then a poor header.
> Not sure why Ayling wasn’t tight to Johnson.
>
>
> Sent from Outlook for iOS
> 
> From: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk <
> bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk>
> Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2023 2:56:10 PM
> To: Simon McNally mailto:simon_mcna...@sky.com>>
> Cc: Michael Benjamin mailto:m...@myray.com>>; leeds list <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org>
> Subject: Re: [LU] Forest
>
> What is hard to take is how hard we work to close down all over the pitch,
> but they get the ball on the edge of our box and there is no-one within 5
> yards of their player!
>
> Plus the guy who was ‘fouled’ for the free-kick was offside - this combo
> of desperate luck and sh*te defending on the right has to change, otherwise
> we’ve had it!
>
> Very impressed by Wober though - some great tackles/interceptions, and a
> couple of excellent forward passes.
>
> It’s going to be a long second half! We can still do this, but another
> ‘here we go again’ feeling!
>
>
>
>
> On 5 Feb 2023, at 13:52, Simon McNally  simon_mcna...@sky.com>>> wrote:
>
> Me too.
> I was a bit surprised by the selection. I’d have expected McKennie to
> start but at least he’s dropped Aaronson.
> As ever, worried when I see Cooper starting.
> Feels massive today.
>
> Sent from Outlook for iOS
> 
> From: Leedslist  leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>>> on behalf of John Lee via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
> Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2023 1:47:52 PM
> To: Michael Benjamin mailto:m...@myray.com> m...@myray.com>>
> Cc: leeds list mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org> leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
> Subject: Re: [LU] Forest
>
> Yep, today isn’t a ‘must’ win, but if we don’t the mood music will be very
> grim indeed.  Marsch’s tactical nous, or lack of, have left me unimpressed
> from day 1, but we have some really good players and I’m just hoping a
> cohesive unit will develop, pretty damn quickly! We have a really strong
> bench, but as ever how the defence performs will be critical! I’m unsure
> why Weston isn’t on at the start, but let’s see?
>
> I reckon Marsch has 5 league games to determine his future at Leeds -
> whilst getting rid in mid-February wouldn’t be ideal, by then we’ll know
> whether a turn of fortunes has happened?
>
> Pretty ner

Re: [LU] Stanley

[Robert Heath]

Well we have apparently had something like 11 away ties in a row, so the
law of averages says that..oh forget it, we'll be drawn away
again.

On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 8:58 PM Tim Whelan via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

>
> The 5th round draw is on Monday night, at 7pm on the One show. And we
> will get whatever pig of a tie they can dream up for us, something like
> Man City away.
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "John Boocock" 
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Sent: Saturday, 28 Jan, 23 At 18:15
> Subject: [LU] Stanley
> Well, apart that from that 19 foot tall teenager's goal, we wandered
> through that as if it was a behind closed doors training match. Jack's
> goal was nice, Bamford continued to improve and the new lads did the
> best they could. The big test will be the Scabs next weekend. Who have
> we drawn in the next round?
> Betty
> (On the Guinness)
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[LU] Oops

[Robert Heath]

Thanks to all the helpful listers who saved me a wasted trip by pointing
out the U21 game is AWAY
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[LU] Question

[Robert Heath]

The U/21s are playing Norwich at thorp Arch tomorrow.

Anyone know if people can get in to watch it?
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[LU] Does anybody know.............

[Robert Heath]

...why they didn't play "I predict a riot" after the Cardiff game?
I thought that was now a tradition after we win.
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[LU] Who said this list was moribund?

[Robert Heath]

Headline on The Guardian website: Transfer latest: Bournemouth land
Jackson, McKennie on Leeds list
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[LU] My team for Sunday

[Robert Heath]

Ayling, Koch, Cooper, Mr X...Adams, Rocky,
Greenwood..Jackie, Rodrigo, e.OK Willy.

Mr X will bepossibly Wober if his injury was not serious,
although I have to say although the powder puff cardiff attack did not
seriously test him I still thought he looked a little shaky. I believe it
is a fact (probably not significant) that we have not yet conceded a goal
while umlautman has been on the pitchif Max not fit, I think I
would go with Firpo who let's be fair played pretty solidly on
wedssorry Pascal but I can't get away from the image of you just
standing still and letting Bailey drift inside and shoot with his left foot
last week.
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Re: [LU] Dave Dowden.

[Robert Heath]

The proper game though (if somewhat sedate), I hopenone of this
walking football nonsense.

On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 5:29 PM John Boocock  wrote:

> There's talk
>
> On 13 January 2023 16:30:19 GMT, Nicholas Armit  wrote:
> > Is there a really old bastard worldnet?
> >Nick
> >On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 03:52:40 AM EST, John Boocock <
> j...@boocock.net> wrote:
> >
> > This might not be possible as the organisation of WorldNET is in (yet
> >another) state of flux.
> >
> >I will investigate.
> >
> >Cheers
> >
> >Betty
> >
> >On 12/01/2023 15:29, Richard Naef wrote:
> >> Perhaps sponsor  something at the next worldnet in memory?
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Re: [LU] Newcastle thoughts

[Robert Heath]

I was very conflicted about that behaviour. Having widely lambasted the
likes of Pickford and Martinez (and indeed the entire Villa team) (and
their subs, ballboys, kit men, tea ladies and mascot) in the past I would
be very hypocritical to relish that shit when we do it. It would never have
happened under Bielsa. I'm sorry, but if you want to "manage" the game over
the last few minutes, just keep passing the ball to your own players and
don't let the other bastards have it! That may be an outdated Corinthian
attitude, but that's what I believe.

On Sun, Jan 1, 2023 at 2:49 PM Richard Walker via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

>  oh I forgot to mention our time wasting and play acting in the 2nd Half.
> Loved it ! Totally riled the Geordies. We've had so much of that shit
> against us in the last few years it was good to give some back.
> On Sunday, 1 January 2023 at 14:38:47 GMT, Richard Walker via
> Leedslist  wrote:
>
>  Considering where they are in their journey and where we are this was a
> great point for us in very difficult conditions. Every player gave 100% and
> we battled hard to get the point.
>
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Re: [LU] Newcastle thoughts

[Robert Heath]

For an alternative viewthis from LeedsLive: *Adams and Roca
rekindle their partnership*

Tyler Adams was the headline return coming into Saturday’s clash with
Newcastle. After suspension in the week, the USA captain’s resumption in
the starting line-up was highly anticipated.

While he did not hit the highest notes we have seen in 2022/23, even a
rusty Adams  got
through six tackles and showed that prowess in defensive positioning across
the field. The one aspect missing from the start was the burgeoning
partnership we have seen with Marc Roca this term.

The Spaniard was dropped by Marsch, presumably because of fatigue from
Wednesday’s loss, but he trotted out for the second half in Adam Forshaw’s
place. Roca would proceed to get through five tackles of his own in just 45
minutes.
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While Adams’s six challenges were unbeaten, only Bruno Guimaraes could
match Roca’s  five and he
had the full 90 minutes. It was a little reminder of how destructive this
pair can be in the Leeds engine room and whets the appetite for what should
be their full reunion on Wednesday night against West Ham United.

On Sun, Jan 1, 2023 at 2:38 PM Richard Walker via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

> Considering where they are in their journey and where we are this was a
> great point for us in very difficult conditions. Every player gave 100% and
> we battled hard to get the point.
> However, for me this is a game that 9 times out of 10 we lose 3/4/5 nil.
> Yes at times we defended heroically, we had to do, but how many unmarked
> black and white shirts were there in the box from corners, set pieces and
> open play. They had chance after chance which they either blazed over or
> were saved by Man of the Match Meslier ?
> I thought we were excellent in the first half with a new look centre
> midfield of Forshaw and Adams. A lot of people have written Forshaw off but
> considering how much time he has had out and how little football he plays ,
> he was fit enough to compete and really make a difference in that first
> half. A much better option defensively than Roca. Yes he gave the ball away
> cheaply at times but then I think you can level that at all our players
> yesterday. We just seem incapable of playing a simple ball at times. It is
> very frustrating to watch.
> Then a half time , Forshaw went off to protect him (apparently) and on
> came my favourite Roca. Immediately, we lost control of the midfield and
> the game. I'm obviously not blaming it all on Roca but it was a significant
> difference. Roca flatters to deceive but I think there's a lot of fans who
> can now see past a decent left foot and are asking what is this guy
> bringing to the party ? He's simply not good enough to compete and play at
> this level and the Twitter army who sent me all sort of messages yesterday
> when I said I'd much rather go with Forshaw and Adams than Adams/Roca are
> just simply wrong. Also Forshaw will get fitter and better. Is he the long
> term answer ? No. BUT neither is Roca and we need another central midfield
> this month.
> My main complaint about the performance is our complete lack of tactics.
> To create a chance we are reliant on someone to get the ball and run and
> beat 2 or 3 men and score. Gnonto gave it a go, so did Aarnson and Harrison
> but both fluffed their final shot. Rodrigo managed to get round his man and
> make the keeper save but where's the interplay, where are the attacking
> tactics ? We don't have any and we look like a team of battlers who really
> haven't got a clue. Summervilla and Gnonto might keep us up with some goals
> on the break but I really fear for us.
> Marsch looks fucked - he looks out of his depth to me.
> Wednesday is looking big and I hope we can take some positives from
> yesterday and really have a go at West Ham.
> Happy New Year
> Scores:
> Meslier - 10. Perfect performance Ayling - 6. I thought he battled well
> but looked ring rusty at times Struijk - 7. Some good tackles but then some
> slack play Cooper - 8. 100%Koch - 8 100% Forshaw - 7. Fought hard first
> half Adams - 8. FOught hard for 94 minutes Harrison - 6. Out of sorts but
> did ok in hte first half Aaronson - 6. People beginning to question his end
> product but he's doing ok for me. Maybe if we had some better tactics he
> would look more effective Gnonto - 8. Got the ball and ran with it. Like
> the look of this lad Rodrigo - 7. Did ok 2nd half but ineffective first
> half.
> Subs:Klich - 4. Totally ineffective uRoca - 2. Totally ineffective -
> yellow card and misplaced passes is what he brought. Joffy - can't remember
> him doing owtRasmus - awful. St Maximus or wahtever he's called murdered
> him
>
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Re: [LU] Who will join this elite list on Sunday?

[Robert Heath]

Well this has been up for 20 hrs so I don't think I'm spoiling it if I
hazard a guess: I'm guessing they all beat the eventual winners earlier in
the Tournamentand since both Argscum and France both lost
earlier I would say the new members of the elite group will be either
Tunisia or was it Saudi Arabia who beat Argentina?

On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 10:10 PM Tim Whelan via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

>
> 1954 Hungary
> 1974 East Germany
> 1978 Italy
> 2010 Switzerland
> One of two countries will join this list on Sunday. There are no others
> in the history of the World Cup.
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[LU] The Curse strikes again!

[Robert Heath]

Feel desperately sorry for Big H...but he did make the mistake of
annoying Leeds United by pushing Tyler Adams and then scoring against us
the other weeksomething bad was always going to happen to him after
that.
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Re: [LU] Keeping the list alive (before I'm banned from it) Pt 94

[Robert Heath]

"Or just buy a decent LB"

Oh yeah of course.oh and Victor could you pick me up a pint of
milk and a packet of dishwasher tablets while you're in there

On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 4:08 PM wayne callaghan 
wrote:

> Or just buy a decent LB.
>
> Get BlueMail for Android <https://bluemail.me>
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>>
>> Here's the latest musing from one with obviously way too much time on his
>> hands..we seem to have 3 good right backs and zero good left backs;
>> if I was marsch I'd be telling Ayling & Drameh to train for a week using
>> only their left foot, then I'd have them each dribble 10 yds towards the
>> left corner flag and then have 'em swing over a cross with their left
>> footgive 'em 10 goes each and whomsoever delivers the best crosses
>> ...hey presto! we have our new LB!
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[LU] Keeping the list alive (before I'm banned from it) Pt 94

[Robert Heath]

Here's the latest musing from one with obviously way too much time on his
hands..we seem to have 3 good right backs and zero good left backs;
if I was marsch I'd be telling Ayling & Drameh to train for a week using
only their left foot, then I'd have them each dribble 10 yds towards the
left corner flag and then have 'em swing over a cross with their left
footgive 'em 10 goes each and whomsoever delivers the best crosses
...hey presto! we have our new LB!
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Re: [LU] The Curse of Leeds United

[Robert Heath]

MDM?

"My dear man" of course. What else could it mean?

On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 6:58 AM Michael Benjamin  wrote:

> Please explain to everyone what MDM is and get yourself banned.
> You never, ever give it a rest.
> ‘Real Leeds’ means what? It is another example of your disgusting
> discrimination, wrapped up in a smarmy schoolboy, infuriating Billy Bunter
> style of prose.
> Go play with your jackboots again; I know your game and will never let you
> get the better. I wondered why you had been so quiet. Unfortunately, you
> are back with your piffling stupidity.
> --Michael
>
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> *From:* Robert Heath 
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 10, 2022 12:14 AM
> *To:* Michael Benjamin 
> *Cc:* Leeds List 
> *Subject:* Re: [LU] The Curse of Leeds United
>
>
>
> MDM.if you were a real Leeds fan, you would be aware of one of
> our best and most enduring chants: You're Leeds, and you know you are!
>
>
>
> Re The CurseHolland failed to pick Strujk and tonight they
> paid the price!
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2022 at 9:27 PM Michael Benjamin  wrote:
>
> He plays for Manchester City.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Dr Michael Benjamin *
>
> *Community Psychiatrist *
>
> *Oranit *
>
> *Israel *
> --
>
> *From:* Leedslist  on behalf of Robert
> Heath 
> *Sent:* Friday, December 9, 2022 7:57:32 PM
> *To:* Leeds List 
> *Subject:* [LU] The Curse of Leeds United
>
>
>
> People in the footballing world just never seem to get it: DON'T MESS WITH
> LEEDS UNITED!
>
> Look where teams who have historically annoyed us are now: Sunderland,
> Derby, Cardiff etc (Still waiting for the Curse to strike Bayern Munscum
> and Chelsea, but...)
>
> The Curse has been working strongly at this World Cup: Germany, didn't pick
> Koch...out, Spain, didn't pick Rodrigo or Llorente...out, Denmark,
> took RK2 off at h-t..out, Brazil, took Raphinha (still a Leeds
> player at heart) off..out, USA, didn't start
> Aaronsson...out.
>
> Southgate, come on man, wake up to reality...YOU'D BETTER START
> KALVIN TOMORROW!
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Re: [LU] The Curse of Leeds United

[Robert Heath]

MDM.if you were a real Leeds fan, you would be aware of one of
our best and most enduring chants: You're Leeds, and you know you are!

Re The CurseHolland failed to pick Strujk and tonight they
paid the price!

On Fri, Dec 9, 2022 at 9:27 PM Michael Benjamin  wrote:

> He plays for Manchester City.
>
>
> *Dr Michael Benjamin *
> *Community Psychiatrist *
> *Oranit *
> *Israel *
> --
> *From:* Leedslist  on behalf of Robert
> Heath 
> *Sent:* Friday, December 9, 2022 7:57:32 PM
> *To:* Leeds List 
> *Subject:* [LU] The Curse of Leeds United
>
> People in the footballing world just never seem to get it: DON'T MESS WITH
> LEEDS UNITED!
>
> Look where teams who have historically annoyed us are now: Sunderland,
> Derby, Cardiff etc (Still waiting for the Curse to strike Bayern Munscum
> and Chelsea, but...)
>
> The Curse has been working strongly at this World Cup: Germany, didn't pick
> Koch...out, Spain, didn't pick Rodrigo or Llorente...out, Denmark,
> took RK2 off at h-t..out, Brazil, took Raphinha (still a Leeds
> player at heart) off..out, USA, didn't start
> Aaronsson...out.
>
> Southgate, come on man, wake up to reality...YOU'D BETTER START
> KALVIN TOMORROW!
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[LU] The Curse of Leeds United

[Robert Heath]

People in the footballing world just never seem to get it: DON'T MESS WITH
LEEDS UNITED!

Look where teams who have historically annoyed us are now: Sunderland,
Derby, Cardiff etc (Still waiting for the Curse to strike Bayern Munscum
and Chelsea, but...)

The Curse has been working strongly at this World Cup: Germany, didn't pick
Koch...out, Spain, didn't pick Rodrigo or Llorente...out, Denmark,
took RK2 off at h-t..out, Brazil, took Raphinha (still a Leeds
player at heart) off..out, USA, didn't start
Aaronsson...out.

Southgate, come on man, wake up to reality...YOU'D BETTER START
KALVIN TOMORROW!
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[LU] Keeping the list alive

[Robert Heath]

3 players I have watched in the last couple of days who really symbolise
our predicament: Raphinha, Adams & Gakpo. The fact is that all players want
to be playing in the stupid so-called Champions League (or their agents
tell them they want to!) So somehow, Orta (who I think is unjustly
criticised) must find some young gem who is a) better than who we have
already, but b) can't be so good (yet) that he will think he can hold out
for a CL team. And even if he finds one, we've got 2 years with 'em before
they move on (at least at a profit.) So Raphinha obvs falls into this
category..so does Adams who we will lose sooner or later. Maybe
Sinisterra. And Gakpo obvs doesn't and we've got no chance of signing him.
All this rubbish "oh we've got to go out and sign a LB and a striker in
January" completely ignores these factors. There aren't many players out
there who fit that profile. One of the things we have tried to do is to
take advantage of the propensity for the megaclubs to have huge squads and
try to grab players whose careers have gone stale due to lack of playing
time. Ie Firpo & Roca. (Mixed success...and pretty big
pricetags for a gamble.)

So..OK "Orta has GOT to buy a LB this january!!!" scream the
knowalls. There were 32 LBs who were starters in the WC. No doubt all the
top countries LBs already play in the CL so that probably rules out 10 of
'em. So we must look at the "weaker" countries.( I got all excited about
that Alphonso Davies of Canada then I found out he plays for Munichscum. )
Of that 20-odd probably half would be no improvement even on Firpo, and of
the others how many might be actually available? Antonee Robinson, for
example. He;s looked good for the USless so really for Fulham.
Would Fulham sell him? Would he be worth shelling out 15 - 20 mill?

My point isOrta's job is not as simple as many people think.
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Re: [LU] Papa John's

[Robert Heath]

Would you possibly be able to post some kind of match report afterwards?
Something like that Dave Nattan does for the 1st team games?

What? Oh.

On Tue, Nov 1, 2022 at 11:48 AM nattan--- via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

>  Yes according to OS . 7pm kick off. I have enjoyed watching u23s / u21s
> on lutv over last few seasons
> On Tuesday, 1 November 2022, 10:49:06 GMT, Richard Walker <
> richleed...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>   Is it on LUTV Dave ?
> On Tuesday, 1 November 2022 at 10:43:58 GMT, nattan--- via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>
>  Looking forward to trip to crewe tonight.
> Hope to see Josep , Perkins, Gyabi , plus hopefully Joffy and Greenwood (
> if not banned  ) also Drammah
> A win gets us through, a draw and it goes to pens,  with winner getting
> another point ( which would put us on same points as Tranmere- so other
> rules ie GD, goals scored,  head to head come into effect) I think if read
> it correctly that any score draw plus penalty shoot out win gets us through
> 2-2 or higher via goals scored,  1-1 via head to head,  0-0 though  and
> Tranmere go through on goals scored
> Lets hope for a win or lots of goals and a winning penalty shoot out for
> most fun
>
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Re: [LU] Last 7 games

[Robert Heath]

My take is that Meslier did not call...Cooper was watching the ball
and expecting to nod it back to the keeper when the latter suddenly
appeared in the corner of his eyeall he could do was divert the
ball away from danger as best he could.

Anyway.all pretty irrelevant in the context of a GREAT
performance.

I think one of the most telling images were of the hugs Marsch got from
Roca & Kristensen at fulltime. They really do seem to be all in this
together.

Harrison though..needs dropping when Sini is fit again.

On Sun, Oct 30, 2022 at 10:06 AM  wrote:

> Cooper headed the ball back into our own box, with insufficient power to
> go into touch, taking our goalie out of the game, requiring a goal line
> clearance from Struijk, but that was Mesliers fault?? Meslier would simply
> have headed it clear without Coopers interjection!
>
> But yes, apart from the 2 f*** ups that almost cost us goals, Cooper did
> ok ;-)
>
>
> On 30 Oct 2022, at 09:33, Robert Heath  wrote:
>
> That horrible moment in the first minute was Man of the Match
> Meslier's fault, and Cooper actually dealt with the situation very well.
> The 2nd blunder..well yeah that was a blunder. But apart from that,
> esp in the 1st half, Cooper was excellent.
>
> On Sun, Oct 30, 2022 at 9:14 AM John Lee via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>
>> All the talk about Gomez’s backpass being the fault for the first goal,
>> but what was Virgil Billy Big Bollox Van Dijk doing - Rodrigo ran straight
>> past him - Van Dijk was half asleep.
>>
>> The one thing I take from that game, regardless of the luck, Mesliers
>> saves etc, is that the players clearly buy into Marsch’s ‘vision’. Whilst I
>> remain to be convinced about this ‘style’, the players played out of their
>> skins yesterday, and Marsch kept repeating we, we, we! I think eventually,
>> with all his tinkering, he will settle on his favoured starting xi?
>> In Cooper we have one of those players who makes us look more solid, but
>> always has a f*** up in him - 2 yesterday - what was he doing in the 1st
>> minute, and his bambi impression later was embarrassing. Struijk would be a
>> much better centre half, but then that brings Firpo back into the equation,
>> which isn’t a good thing imho.
>>
>> Beat Bournemouth and we can have a few weeks looking at the league table
>> without fearing the worst?
>>
>>
>>
>> > On 30 Oct 2022, at 01:03, Alec McQueen  wrote:
>> >
>> >   We are not out of the woods yet, but today shows what's possible. Plan
>> >   A worked today because Liverpool were trying their Plan A and it
>> wasn't
>> >   working so well. And we got some luck which we haven't had last few
>> >   games.
>> >   And Meslier was immense and we had 2 good enough moments to make the
>> >   difference today. It was also a decent defensive performance against a
>> >   decent team (despite whatever anyone says). Agreed that Liverpool were
>> >   not on their game today, so inconsistent... I reckon they
>> >   underestimated us. But we can be great and we can be crap.
>> >   Inconsistency R Us, that's us this year...of course more downs than
>> >   ups, but I still think JM is not quite the muppet that some people
>> >   think.
>> >   But this is far from over... we need to build some consistency, and JM
>> >   knows it. I still think we need to give JM until at least January...
>> if
>> >   we are bottom then, then maybe we need a change. All the lower half
>> >   teams are picking up points... nobody is left behind. I thought a few
>> >   weeks ago, we could rely on Forest and Leicester taking up 2 of the
>> >   relegation slots Now, it's 3 amongst 10 or so clubs. Any of them
>> >   could slide down and get into serious trouble, us included. I think
>> >   anyone below Palace in 10th can go down. Right now, my bet is Forest,
>> >   Bournemouth, and Wolves.
>> >   Sent from my iPad
>> >
>> > On 30 Oct 2022, at 10:08, Richard Naef
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> > Even more so tonight ;)
>> >   ___
>> >
>> >   From: Nicholas Armit 
>> >   Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2022 5:55:05 PM
>> >   To: seanscr...@aol.com ; leedslist@gn.apc.org
>> >   ; heathpalai...@gmail.com
>> >   ; alec...@gmail.com ;
>> >   Richard Naef 
>> >   Subject: Re: [LU] Last 7 games
>> >
>> >   They are now.
>> >   

Re: [LU] Last 7 games

[Robert Heath]

 we needed a reliable goalscoring striker and a left-back. The club
> >   has even acknowledged trying to sign CDK and Gapko (before the
> >   desperation purchase of Gnonto on the last day of the window). There's
> >   no evidence that (unlike some recent managers) Marsch was insisting on
> >   having a tiny squad, let along telling the board not to buy a
> >   centre-forward and a left-back. (Bear in mind also that of the four
> >   players who can play in that position, three - Dallas, Struijk and
> >   Hjelde - are injured/recovering from an appendectomy. On current form I
> >   would put Firpo behind all three on the "depth chart" in that
> >   position.) It's reasonable to cast a harsh light on Marsch for his team
> >   selection versus Leicester, the tactics and the lack of a Plan B (hmmm,
> >   where have we heard that before?), but it's completely unfair to blame
> >   him for big money purchases that the club failed to make in the window.
> >   I continue to believe that if just a couple of the turning points in
> >   recent matches (e.g. the ref's failure to send off Saliba for his
> >   pull-back on Bamford; the missed penalty versus Arsenal, etc.) had gone
> >   our way, we'd be having a totally different conversation. But I also
> >   realize that it's got to go our way soon or not at all (for Jesse). On
> >   the plus side, how long before Mateo Joseph and Sonny Perkins are ready
> >   to step up a level? Joseph just scored his third hat-trick in eight
> >   league games for our top-of-the-table unbeaten Under-21s.
> >   Cheers!
> >   Sean
> >   -Original Message-
> >   From: nattan--- via Leedslist <[6]leedslist@gn.apc.org>
> >   To: Robert Heath <[7]heathpalai...@gmail.com>; Alec McQueen
> >   <[8]alec...@gmail.com>
> >   Cc: Leeds List 2010 <[9]leedslist@gn.apc.org>
> >   Sent: Sat, Oct 22, 2022 5:51 am
> >   Subject: Re: [LU] Last 7 games
> >   I get what you are saying and you do have a point. It is not JMs fault
> >   that v Arsenal  Rodrigo gave away a goal and that Bamford missed a
> >   penalty.  Equally individual errors ( Roca this week, Cooper v Palace,
> >   Llorente nightmare v Brentford) have cost us other games/ points and
> >   that is down to the players BUT some errors are down to the system, we
> >   are so easy to play against- fire a ball over midfield into the corner
> >   and you create chances , - that is the manager's fault.  Equally the
> >   fact that we have no left back worthy of a first team place and are
> >   still relying on an unfit Bamford or a failed Rodrigo up top is his
> >   fault Even when it works well our lack of a cutting edge means we get
> >   nothing when we are on top in a match and our soft underbelly means our
> >   opponents always have a chance.
> >   We have had on paper a reasonably easy run of fixtures- only Arsenal
> >   and Chelsea of top 5 clubs and played all the bottom clubs.  Things are
> >   looking dodgy Do I want him sacked ? No , I want him to put a run of
> >   good results together and get us up the table and build on it , but I
> >   really cant see that happening. I will be cheering him and the team on
> >   on Sunday but I expect the first of the Marsch out chants if we go
> >   behind ( oddly last match we were discussing who was the last manager
> >   who got the " out" chants. Never happened to Bielsa,  Heckingbottom
> >   sacked before we had chance,  ditto Christensen,  Monk we wanted to
> >   stay,  Evans was unpopular but crowd never turned, Rosler, milanic ,
> >   hockaday all too short lived, Redders popular, same generally with
> >   McDermott,  so did we chant Warnock out ? If not it would be Grayson,
> >   dont recall chants,  so McAllister is the last one I can remember for
> >   sure getting the " out " chant ? Personally the last (?only) one I
> >   chanted about was Adamson, to the extent that if anyone says Adamson I
> >   say at ,east in my head "out"
> >   Tricky times at ER
> >   Dave On Friday, 21 October 2022, 21:00:09 BST, Alec McQueen
> >   <[10]alec...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >   I think we are being harsh on Marsch. He is trying to mould a new team,
> >   a new squad, a new playing style... I think it is clear to see that he
> >   is not yet happy with what is happening on the pitch... we need to give
> >   this guy a chance. The team has shown glimpses of what it is capable
> >   of, our problem seems to be consistency and Plan Bs if Plan A isn't
> >   working.
> >   wha
>

Re: [LU] Current Predicament

[Robert Heath]

If Adams plays and Llorente doesn't, we might have a chance of it not being
TOO painful.

At any rate, if I were Leeds I'd ask the ref to just let Salah take his 2
penalties before kicking off. That would at least get those out of the way
early and we could concentrate on defending properly without having to
worry about when VAR is going to intervene and gift him a goal for no
reason whatsoever.

On Sat, Oct 29, 2022 at 7:56 AM Michael Benjamin  wrote:

> Does it matter what JM does?
> Anything better than 0-3 is a blessing.
> Get rid ASAP
> This gig is over
>
> --Michael
>
>
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> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Kevin Lewis
> via Leedslist
> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2022 9:53 AM
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: [LU] Current Predicament
>
> The list certainly spices up a bit when the team starts to struggle!
> I'm not too sure what any manager could do with this squad.
>
> To survive in the Premier League all teams need to be able to defend at
> times and not give soft chances away.
> Leeds have not been able to do that for many years.
>
> We got away with it in the Championship and the first season in the PL
> because the energy was so good.
>
> The first 3 Bielsa years were unbelievable and tremendous, but I am slowly
> coming round to the fact that to do the same in the Premier League with
> budget players just is not sustainable.
>
> Last year Everton gave away a lot of soft goals, but stiffening the
> defence has turned them round.  They at least stay in games for a long
> while.
> Leeds can dominate possession but still get well-beaten.
>
> One assumes that Marsch will get sacked sometime soon.  I'm not sure who
> can come in and sort out the defending, plus get the team scoring again.
> Whoever it is will need to sign 5 players in January and do what Newcastle
> did last year.  Even if the money is made available (having spent net zero
> in the last 2 windows) are the clowns who conduct our transfers capable of
> getting deals over the line?
> The only benefit this season is that there will be a lot more games during
> and after the January window.
>
> As for today:
> Will it be the usual kamikaze-ball or will Marsch try to keep it tight?
> The former could end up with a similar result to last season, but can you
> really see this group keeping Liverpool out for 20 mins, let alone 75-80 to
> give us a chance of getting something?
>
> MOT
>
> KOT
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