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Agree on all points! I’d have Shack in midfield and Cooper nowhere near the team. Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> From: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 7:00:04 PM To: Simon McNally Cc: Andy Brown ; e...@morrish.org ; leeds list Subject: Re: [LU] Coach 22 Alioski defied my understanding at times. Not quick, often out of position, BUT we invariably looked better with him in, he had an attackers instinct, and he was quite prepared to foul/cheat to win! Plus he ran, and he ran and he ran! He was prepared to try anything and chase when he f*cked up. Roberts to me seems like a half decent player who wants too much time to think it through, and slows down momentum. It was him and Klich who conspired to lose the ball against Southampton which lead to the goal of course. I still maintain Shacks should be in the midfield permanently, and Drameh should be promoted and in at r/b. Then there’s Cooper? If we continue with him as a first choice I can easily see us going down! On 18 Oct 2021, at 18:08, Simon McNally mailto:simon_mcna...@sky.com>> wrote: I agree Alioski is a strange one. He seemed to get the fans and definitely brought energy to the team. Roberts really frustrates me. He appears to have everything - he destroyed West Brom at elland road a few years ago and the goals he scored at Hull before lockdown were pure class. He just hasn’t kicked on in the way that some of the others have. I don’t think he’s as terrible as social media would have us believe. He usually does more than Rodrigo, which I know is damning with faint praise! Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> From: Andy Brown mailto:a...@andybrown.co.uk>> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 6:00:31 PM To: Simon McNally mailto:simon_mcna...@sky.com>> Cc: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk<mailto:bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk> mailto:bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk>>; e...@morrish.org<mailto:e...@morrish.org> mailto:e...@morrish.org>>; leeds list mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>> Subject: Re: [LU] Coach 22 I don’t think we can say too much about Roberts. He had the potential (we generally agreed) and has failed to take the chance but the decision to stick with him until now has been a reasonable one. I’m annoyed about Rodrigo - just not even giving glimpses that he did before. Alioski going is the interesting one. He clearly understands the system in a way that, for example, Heldar Costa never did and that to me is the proof that Bielsa knows best. The club said they wanted to keep Alioski but he felt it was time to move. I wonder why? Sent from my iPhone > On 18 Oct 2021, at 17:48, Simon McNally via Leedslist > mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>> wrote: > > I am concerned. Mainly that Bielsa decides he’s had enough of trying to get > premier league performances out of mid table championship players and leaves. > Without him we are well and truly screwed. > I think our first choice eleven is more than good enough to stay up. The > problems arise when they aren’t available. > I was disappointed with the recruitment in the summer. Not because I was > expecting a load of marquee signings, but because I hoped we’d address the > depth of the squad. I don’t mean the number of players, because we all know > Bielsa prefers a small squad, I mean making sure the reserve for each > position isn’t too much worse than the first choice player. > I don’t see that we have a back up for Kalvin which seems ludicrous given how > important he is to our system. I’m not sure we have a first choice ten, never > mind a back up. If we are only a few injuries away from Roberts up front then > we’ve got problems! > I’m really disappointed with Rodrigo. Is he a ten? Is he a striker? Is he > arsed at all? He doesn’t close down anything like as well as Bamford does and > I think that has a knock in effect for the rest of our high press. > There were rumours of clubs wanting to take him back to Spain. I’d snatch > their hand off, I just don’t think we’ll get our money back on him. > > Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> > > From: Leedslist > mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> on behalf > of John Lee via Leedslist mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>> > Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 3:56:06 PM > To: e...@morrish.org<mailto:e...@morrish.org> > mailto:e...@morrish.org>> > Cc: leeds list mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>> > Subject: Re: [LU] Coach 22 > > Ed - Could you just hammer the nails down a bit harder on my coffin of hope > ;-) > > Sent from my iPad > >>> On 18 Oct 2021, at 09:36, Ed Morrish >>> mailto:edmorr...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 at 0
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Alioski defied my understanding at times. Not quick, often out of position, BUT we invariably looked better with him in, he had an attackers instinct, and he was quite prepared to foul/cheat to win! Plus he ran, and he ran and he ran! He was prepared to try anything and chase when he f*cked up. Roberts to me seems like a half decent player who wants too much time to think it through, and slows down momentum. It was him and Klich who conspired to lose the ball against Southampton which lead to the goal of course. I still maintain Shacks should be in the midfield permanently, and Drameh should be promoted and in at r/b. Then there’s Cooper? If we continue with him as a first choice I can easily see us going down! > On 18 Oct 2021, at 18:08, Simon McNally wrote: > > I agree Alioski is a strange one. He seemed to get the fans and definitely > brought energy to the team. > Roberts really frustrates me. He appears to have everything - he destroyed > West Brom at elland road a few years ago and the goals he scored at Hull > before lockdown were pure class. He just hasn’t kicked on in the way that > some of the others have. I don’t think he’s as terrible as social media would > have us believe. He usually does more than Rodrigo, which I know is damning > with faint praise! > > Get Outlook for iOS > From: Andy Brown > Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 6:00:31 PM > To: Simon McNally > Cc: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk ; e...@morrish.org > ; leeds list > Subject: Re: [LU] Coach 22 > > I don’t think we can say too much about Roberts. He had the potential (we > generally agreed) and has failed to take the chance but the decision to stick > with him until now has been a reasonable one. > > I’m annoyed about Rodrigo - just not even giving glimpses that he did before. > > Alioski going is the interesting one. He clearly understands the system in a > way that, for example, Heldar Costa never did and that to me is the proof > that Bielsa knows best. The club said they wanted to keep Alioski but he felt > it was time to move. I wonder why? > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 18 Oct 2021, at 17:48, Simon McNally via Leedslist > > wrote: > > > > I am concerned. Mainly that Bielsa decides he’s had enough of trying to > > get premier league performances out of mid table championship players and > > leaves. > > Without him we are well and truly screwed. > > I think our first choice eleven is more than good enough to stay up. The > > problems arise when they aren’t available. > > I was disappointed with the recruitment in the summer. Not because I was > > expecting a load of marquee signings, but because I hoped we’d address the > > depth of the squad. I don’t mean the number of players, because we all know > > Bielsa prefers a small squad, I mean making sure the reserve for each > > position isn’t too much worse than the first choice player. > > I don’t see that we have a back up for Kalvin which seems ludicrous given > > how important he is to our system. I’m not sure we have a first choice ten, > > never mind a back up. If we are only a few injuries away from Roberts up > > front then we’ve got problems! > > I’m really disappointed with Rodrigo. Is he a ten? Is he a striker? Is he > > arsed at all? He doesn’t close down anything like as well as Bamford does > > and I think that has a knock in effect for the rest of our high press. > > There were rumours of clubs wanting to take him back to Spain. I’d snatch > > their hand off, I just don’t think we’ll get our money back on him. > > > > Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> > > > > From: Leedslist on behalf of John Lee via > > Leedslist > > Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 3:56:06 PM > > To: e...@morrish.org > > Cc: leeds list > > Subject: Re: [LU] Coach 22 > > > > Ed - Could you just hammer the nails down a bit harder on my coffin of hope > > ;-) > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > >>> On 18 Oct 2021, at 09:36, Ed Morrish wrote: > >>> > >>>> On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 at 08:40, John Lee via Leedslist > >>>> wrote: > >>> > >>> Almost as important is can we keep Philips and Raphinha for a couple of > >>> years? > >> > >> Raphinha will go in the summer to a Champions League club next summer. > >> Meslier will follow, I imagine. KP I think will stay as long as he's in > >> the England team. > >> > >> Ed. > >> > > ___ > > Leedslist mailing list > &g
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I agree Alioski is a strange one. He seemed to get the fans and definitely brought energy to the team. Roberts really frustrates me. He appears to have everything - he destroyed West Brom at elland road a few years ago and the goals he scored at Hull before lockdown were pure class. He just hasn’t kicked on in the way that some of the others have. I don’t think he’s as terrible as social media would have us believe. He usually does more than Rodrigo, which I know is damning with faint praise! Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> From: Andy Brown Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 6:00:31 PM To: Simon McNally Cc: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk ; e...@morrish.org ; leeds list Subject: Re: [LU] Coach 22 I don’t think we can say too much about Roberts. He had the potential (we generally agreed) and has failed to take the chance but the decision to stick with him until now has been a reasonable one. I’m annoyed about Rodrigo - just not even giving glimpses that he did before. Alioski going is the interesting one. He clearly understands the system in a way that, for example, Heldar Costa never did and that to me is the proof that Bielsa knows best. The club said they wanted to keep Alioski but he felt it was time to move. I wonder why? Sent from my iPhone > On 18 Oct 2021, at 17:48, Simon McNally via Leedslist > wrote: > > I am concerned. Mainly that Bielsa decides he’s had enough of trying to get > premier league performances out of mid table championship players and leaves. > Without him we are well and truly screwed. > I think our first choice eleven is more than good enough to stay up. The > problems arise when they aren’t available. > I was disappointed with the recruitment in the summer. Not because I was > expecting a load of marquee signings, but because I hoped we’d address the > depth of the squad. I don’t mean the number of players, because we all know > Bielsa prefers a small squad, I mean making sure the reserve for each > position isn’t too much worse than the first choice player. > I don’t see that we have a back up for Kalvin which seems ludicrous given how > important he is to our system. I’m not sure we have a first choice ten, never > mind a back up. If we are only a few injuries away from Roberts up front then > we’ve got problems! > I’m really disappointed with Rodrigo. Is he a ten? Is he a striker? Is he > arsed at all? He doesn’t close down anything like as well as Bamford does and > I think that has a knock in effect for the rest of our high press. > There were rumours of clubs wanting to take him back to Spain. I’d snatch > their hand off, I just don’t think we’ll get our money back on him. > > Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> > > From: Leedslist on behalf of John Lee via > Leedslist > Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 3:56:06 PM > To: e...@morrish.org > Cc: leeds list > Subject: Re: [LU] Coach 22 > > Ed - Could you just hammer the nails down a bit harder on my coffin of hope > ;-) > > Sent from my iPad > >>> On 18 Oct 2021, at 09:36, Ed Morrish wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 at 08:40, John Lee via Leedslist >>>> wrote: >>> >>> Almost as important is can we keep Philips and Raphinha for a couple of >>> years? >> >> Raphinha will go in the summer to a Champions League club next summer. >> Meslier will follow, I imagine. KP I think will stay as long as he's in the >> England team. >> >> Ed. >> > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
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I don’t think we can say too much about Roberts. He had the potential (we generally agreed) and has failed to take the chance but the decision to stick with him until now has been a reasonable one. I’m annoyed about Rodrigo - just not even giving glimpses that he did before. Alioski going is the interesting one. He clearly understands the system in a way that, for example, Heldar Costa never did and that to me is the proof that Bielsa knows best. The club said they wanted to keep Alioski but he felt it was time to move. I wonder why? Sent from my iPhone > On 18 Oct 2021, at 17:48, Simon McNally via Leedslist > wrote: > > I am concerned. Mainly that Bielsa decides he’s had enough of trying to get > premier league performances out of mid table championship players and leaves. > Without him we are well and truly screwed. > I think our first choice eleven is more than good enough to stay up. The > problems arise when they aren’t available. > I was disappointed with the recruitment in the summer. Not because I was > expecting a load of marquee signings, but because I hoped we’d address the > depth of the squad. I don’t mean the number of players, because we all know > Bielsa prefers a small squad, I mean making sure the reserve for each > position isn’t too much worse than the first choice player. > I don’t see that we have a back up for Kalvin which seems ludicrous given how > important he is to our system. I’m not sure we have a first choice ten, never > mind a back up. If we are only a few injuries away from Roberts up front then > we’ve got problems! > I’m really disappointed with Rodrigo. Is he a ten? Is he a striker? Is he > arsed at all? He doesn’t close down anything like as well as Bamford does and > I think that has a knock in effect for the rest of our high press. > There were rumours of clubs wanting to take him back to Spain. I’d snatch > their hand off, I just don’t think we’ll get our money back on him. > > Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> > > From: Leedslist on behalf of John Lee via > Leedslist > Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 3:56:06 PM > To: e...@morrish.org > Cc: leeds list > Subject: Re: [LU] Coach 22 > > Ed - Could you just hammer the nails down a bit harder on my coffin of hope > ;-) > > Sent from my iPad > >>> On 18 Oct 2021, at 09:36, Ed Morrish wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 at 08:40, John Lee via Leedslist >>>> wrote: >>> >>> Almost as important is can we keep Philips and Raphinha for a couple of >>> years? >> >> Raphinha will go in the summer to a Champions League club next summer. >> Meslier will follow, I imagine. KP I think will stay as long as he's in the >> England team. >> >> Ed. >> > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
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I am concerned. Mainly that Bielsa decides he’s had enough of trying to get premier league performances out of mid table championship players and leaves. Without him we are well and truly screwed. I think our first choice eleven is more than good enough to stay up. The problems arise when they aren’t available. I was disappointed with the recruitment in the summer. Not because I was expecting a load of marquee signings, but because I hoped we’d address the depth of the squad. I don’t mean the number of players, because we all know Bielsa prefers a small squad, I mean making sure the reserve for each position isn’t too much worse than the first choice player. I don’t see that we have a back up for Kalvin which seems ludicrous given how important he is to our system. I’m not sure we have a first choice ten, never mind a back up. If we are only a few injuries away from Roberts up front then we’ve got problems! I’m really disappointed with Rodrigo. Is he a ten? Is he a striker? Is he arsed at all? He doesn’t close down anything like as well as Bamford does and I think that has a knock in effect for the rest of our high press. There were rumours of clubs wanting to take him back to Spain. I’d snatch their hand off, I just don’t think we’ll get our money back on him. Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> From: Leedslist on behalf of John Lee via Leedslist Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 3:56:06 PM To: e...@morrish.org Cc: leeds list Subject: Re: [LU] Coach 22 Ed - Could you just hammer the nails down a bit harder on my coffin of hope ;-) Sent from my iPad > On 18 Oct 2021, at 09:36, Ed Morrish wrote: > >> On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 at 08:40, John Lee via Leedslist >> wrote: > >> Almost as important is can we keep Philips and Raphinha for a couple of >> years? > > Raphinha will go in the summer to a Champions League club next summer. > Meslier will follow, I imagine. KP I think will stay as long as he's in the > England team. > > Ed. > ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
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Ed - Could you just hammer the nails down a bit harder on my coffin of hope ;-) Sent from my iPad > On 18 Oct 2021, at 09:36, Ed Morrish wrote: > >> On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 at 08:40, John Lee via Leedslist >> wrote: > >> Almost as important is can we keep Philips and Raphinha for a couple of >> years? > > Raphinha will go in the summer to a Champions League club next summer. > Meslier will follow, I imagine. KP I think will stay as long as he's in the > England team. > > Ed. > ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
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In this kind of scenario, the world was better before social media. I don’t ‘know’ much about this situation, beyond the facts of the results and league table (in that, I am counting the results / achievements of the last 4 years) plus what I see with my own eyes at games. I ‘believe’ that Bielsa truly ‘gets’ Leeds and he loves it. He has taken a bunch of mainly, journeymen players, forged a team to get promoted and played with a style and energy that caught a lot of the Premier teams on the hop last season. The promotion alone has been something that has been beyond all the other managers who have tried. Of course the better, richer teams are coming up with ways to counter us - that is how football works - it helps them that they have lots of money to throw at it, more than us at any rate. I do think there is a problem with some of these players seem to have ‘peaked’; I can see that there is a long injury list, sadly these being mostly our better players - this will be having an impact; and I can also see that some of the younger players, when drafted in to the first team, need time to settle and get acclimatised - do we give them that, as fans? It was never going to be as ‘easy’ this year as last, let’s be realistic. Barring a disastrous run of results, this board are not going to sack him - he may ‘leave by mutual consent’ - but who would replace him - any name you give (except Steve Bruce) is likely either untried, or too expensive (SB is just shit). These players trust Bielsa way more than is usual in football. I come back to trusting in Bielsa to find solutions, motivate players, draft in the right youngsters when they are ready, and most of all, to get us to safety. Nick > On 18 Oct 2021, at 08:40, John Lee via Leedslist wrote: > > It’ll be Orta/Radz’s biggest challenge - finding a new manager. Regardless of > results this season, there was no way I expected Bielsa to be here next > season, unless we won the league and he fancied a pop at Europe? > > Almost as important is can we keep Philips and Raphinha for a couple of years? > > Anyway, let’s end on a positive - Newcastle ;-) > >> On 18 Oct 2021, at 07:06, Alec McQueen wrote: >> >> If Bielsa resigns we are down. There is nobody else who could make our >> current squad perform to the level we have done in the past 2-3 years. We >> will be OK (just) if we stay calm and let MB get on with it. I think we have >> been unlucky on fixtures, injuries and absences, and when that levels up >> (pls God!), then we will get a good run going and pull away from the bottom. >> But I don't expect anything better than 15th at the end of the season, and >> MB may leave at that point anyway. >> Cheers >> A >> >>> On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 at 15:06, Ian Murray wrote: >>> I dont think Bielsa will be our manager next year, sadly. >>> >>> If he doesnt turn our results around before Christmas he will resign. >>> >>> >>> From: Leedslist on behalf of John Lee via >>> Leedslist >>> Sent: Monday, 18 October 2021 1:08 AM >>> To: Robert Heath >>> Cc: leeds list >>> Subject: Re: [LU] Coach 22 >>> >>> Someone asked the question about getting rid of Bielsa, and it is, sadly, a >>> fair one? Accepting the unbelievable progress of the last 3 years, >>> performances which I’ll never ever forget, Bielsa’s methods have been >>> neutered by many teams, and unless we score a hat-full then our defensive >>> structure means we are completely naive at times! Simply repeating the same >>> mistake time and again, with lesser quality players than our first xi, >>> seems idiotic. >>> >>> We can now see why Bielsa stays only a short time at teams - he gets sussed >>> out, and then finds another group to ‘indoctrinate’. When it works it’s >>> brilliant! >>> >>> At what point though does the club start to ask him questions, and will he >>> simply walk? >>> >>> There are 7 teams with 7 points or less - I think we can muddle our way to >>> safety, but I’m short of belief that this is going anywhere near the 9th >>> place of last season, although I’d settle for 17th. Unless our prospects >>> improve I think it’s unfeasible we’ll be hanging on to the likes of Rapha, >>> Phillips etc for more than this season? What are the odds of Newcastle >>> coming in for them in January? >>> >>> I still hope I see us with Shack in midfield and Drameh at right back, and >>> soon! And Roberts nowhere near the first xi :-( >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from
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On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 at 08:40, John Lee via Leedslist wrote: > Almost as important is can we keep Philips and Raphinha for a couple of > years? > Raphinha will go in the summer to a Champions League club next summer. Meslier will follow, I imagine. KP I think will stay as long as he's in the England team. Ed. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
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It’ll be Orta/Radz’s biggest challenge - finding a new manager. Regardless of results this season, there was no way I expected Bielsa to be here next season, unless we won the league and he fancied a pop at Europe? Almost as important is can we keep Philips and Raphinha for a couple of years? Anyway, let’s end on a positive - Newcastle ;-) > On 18 Oct 2021, at 07:06, Alec McQueen wrote: > > If Bielsa resigns we are down. There is nobody else who could make our > current squad perform to the level we have done in the past 2-3 years. We > will be OK (just) if we stay calm and let MB get on with it. I think we have > been unlucky on fixtures, injuries and absences, and when that levels up (pls > God!), then we will get a good run going and pull away from the bottom. But I > don't expect anything better than 15th at the end of the season, and MB may > leave at that point anyway. > Cheers > A > >> On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 at 15:06, Ian Murray wrote: >> I dont think Bielsa will be our manager next year, sadly. >> >> If he doesnt turn our results around before Christmas he will resign. >> >> >> From: Leedslist on behalf of John Lee via >> Leedslist >> Sent: Monday, 18 October 2021 1:08 AM >> To: Robert Heath >> Cc: leeds list >> Subject: Re: [LU] Coach 22 >> >> Someone asked the question about getting rid of Bielsa, and it is, sadly, a >> fair one? Accepting the unbelievable progress of the last 3 years, >> performances which I’ll never ever forget, Bielsa’s methods have been >> neutered by many teams, and unless we score a hat-full then our defensive >> structure means we are completely naive at times! Simply repeating the same >> mistake time and again, with lesser quality players than our first xi, seems >> idiotic. >> >> We can now see why Bielsa stays only a short time at teams - he gets sussed >> out, and then finds another group to ‘indoctrinate’. When it works it’s >> brilliant! >> >> At what point though does the club start to ask him questions, and will he >> simply walk? >> >> There are 7 teams with 7 points or less - I think we can muddle our way to >> safety, but I’m short of belief that this is going anywhere near the 9th >> place of last season, although I’d settle for 17th. Unless our prospects >> improve I think it’s unfeasible we’ll be hanging on to the likes of Rapha, >> Phillips etc for more than this season? What are the odds of Newcastle >> coming in for them in January? >> >> I still hope I see us with Shack in midfield and Drameh at right back, and >> soon! And Roberts nowhere near the first xi :-( >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> > On 17 Oct 2021, at 16:20, Robert Heath wrote: >> > >> > What worries me is that the players seem to be lacking >> > confidence..and one thing you need if you are going to play >> > Bielsaball (and all the high-risk play that entails) is supreme confidence. >> > It is one of the many facets of Bielsa's genius that he managed to instill >> > such self-belief in players who, let's be honest, did not previously seem >> > to possess the talent to deserve to be confident. No doubt getting our top >> > players back will help, but Bielsa's biggest challenge now, I think, is to >> > somehow rebuild that lost confidence. >> > >> > My other worry is that opposing managers have worked out how our passing >> > patterns develop and have trained their players where to position >> > themselves to prevent us building moves. >> > >> > On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 4:11 PM nattan--- via Leedslist < >> > leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote: >> > >> >> I agree from what I have read and what little I have seen, yesterday was >> >> clearly very poor, and I accept we have problems. However can you imagine >> >> the moaning from other managers if they had to start a game with both >> >> fullbacks, the midfield lynchpin, the top goal scorer, and the best / >> >> most >> >> creative player all absent? That is 5 out of 10 outfield players missing, >> >> exactly half of them >> >> No team could hope to cope easily with that level of absence.( Koch a >> >> current German international also injured) >> >> Yes our problems are exacerbated by the small squad which led to a very >> >> young and inexperienced bench ( the absent for 2 years Forshaw not >> >> withstanding) >> >> Things are also made worse by Dallas being
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If Bielsa resigns we are down. There is nobody else who could make our current squad perform to the level we have done in the past 2-3 years. We will be OK (just) if we stay calm and let MB get on with it. I think we have been unlucky on fixtures, injuries and absences, and when that levels up (pls God!), then we will get a good run going and pull away from the bottom. But I don't expect anything better than 15th at the end of the season, and MB may leave at that point anyway. Cheers A On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 at 15:06, Ian Murray wrote: > I dont think Bielsa will be our manager next year, sadly. > > If he doesnt turn our results around before Christmas he will resign. > > > From: Leedslist on behalf of John Lee via > Leedslist > Sent: Monday, 18 October 2021 1:08 AM > To: Robert Heath > Cc: leeds list > Subject: Re: [LU] Coach 22 > > Someone asked the question about getting rid of Bielsa, and it is, sadly, > a fair one? Accepting the unbelievable progress of the last 3 years, > performances which I’ll never ever forget, Bielsa’s methods have been > neutered by many teams, and unless we score a hat-full then our defensive > structure means we are completely naive at times! Simply repeating the same > mistake time and again, with lesser quality players than our first xi, > seems idiotic. > > We can now see why Bielsa stays only a short time at teams - he gets > sussed out, and then finds another group to ‘indoctrinate’. When it works > it’s brilliant! > > At what point though does the club start to ask him questions, and will he > simply walk? > > There are 7 teams with 7 points or less - I think we can muddle our way to > safety, but I’m short of belief that this is going anywhere near the 9th > place of last season, although I’d settle for 17th. Unless our prospects > improve I think it’s unfeasible we’ll be hanging on to the likes of Rapha, > Phillips etc for more than this season? What are the odds of Newcastle > coming in for them in January? > > I still hope I see us with Shack in midfield and Drameh at right back, and > soon! And Roberts nowhere near the first xi :-( > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > On 17 Oct 2021, at 16:20, Robert Heath wrote: > > > > What worries me is that the players seem to be lacking > > confidence..and one thing you need if you are going to play > > Bielsaball (and all the high-risk play that entails) is supreme > confidence. > > It is one of the many facets of Bielsa's genius that he managed to > instill > > such self-belief in players who, let's be honest, did not previously seem > > to possess the talent to deserve to be confident. No doubt getting our > top > > players back will help, but Bielsa's biggest challenge now, I think, is > to > > somehow rebuild that lost confidence. > > > > My other worry is that opposing managers have worked out how our passing > > patterns develop and have trained their players where to position > > themselves to prevent us building moves. > > > > On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 4:11 PM nattan--- via Leedslist < > > leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote: > > > >> I agree from what I have read and what little I have seen, yesterday was > >> clearly very poor, and I accept we have problems. However can you > imagine > >> the moaning from other managers if they had to start a game with both > >> fullbacks, the midfield lynchpin, the top goal scorer, and the best / > most > >> creative player all absent? That is 5 out of 10 outfield players > missing, > >> exactly half of them > >> No team could hope to cope easily with that level of absence.( Koch a > >> current German international also injured) > >> Yes our problems are exacerbated by the small squad which led to a very > >> young and inexperienced bench ( the absent for 2 years Forshaw not > >> withstanding) > >> Things are also made worse by Dallas being out of sorts ( missed an NI > >> game earlier due to personal reasons) > >> As one of my T shirts says "LUFC KEEP THE FAITH" > >> Anyone asking for Bielsa to be replaced need to get a grip > >> Get our players back, get a few good results and it will all look much > >> better > >> Dave > >> > >> > >>On Sunday, 17 October 2021, 15:56:07 BST, Michael Benjamin < > >> m...@myray.com> wrote: > >> > >> This team is Bielsa. > >> If it fails we simply go down. No one can get more out of them. > >> We'd sell and start all over again. > >> This year not only have players gone backward but no one has progressed &
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I dont think Bielsa will be our manager next year, sadly. If he doesnt turn our results around before Christmas he will resign. From: Leedslist on behalf of John Lee via Leedslist Sent: Monday, 18 October 2021 1:08 AM To: Robert Heath Cc: leeds list Subject: Re: [LU] Coach 22 Someone asked the question about getting rid of Bielsa, and it is, sadly, a fair one? Accepting the unbelievable progress of the last 3 years, performances which I’ll never ever forget, Bielsa’s methods have been neutered by many teams, and unless we score a hat-full then our defensive structure means we are completely naive at times! Simply repeating the same mistake time and again, with lesser quality players than our first xi, seems idiotic. We can now see why Bielsa stays only a short time at teams - he gets sussed out, and then finds another group to ‘indoctrinate’. When it works it’s brilliant! At what point though does the club start to ask him questions, and will he simply walk? There are 7 teams with 7 points or less - I think we can muddle our way to safety, but I’m short of belief that this is going anywhere near the 9th place of last season, although I’d settle for 17th. Unless our prospects improve I think it’s unfeasible we’ll be hanging on to the likes of Rapha, Phillips etc for more than this season? What are the odds of Newcastle coming in for them in January? I still hope I see us with Shack in midfield and Drameh at right back, and soon! And Roberts nowhere near the first xi :-( Sent from my iPad > On 17 Oct 2021, at 16:20, Robert Heath wrote: > > What worries me is that the players seem to be lacking > confidence..and one thing you need if you are going to play > Bielsaball (and all the high-risk play that entails) is supreme confidence. > It is one of the many facets of Bielsa's genius that he managed to instill > such self-belief in players who, let's be honest, did not previously seem > to possess the talent to deserve to be confident. No doubt getting our top > players back will help, but Bielsa's biggest challenge now, I think, is to > somehow rebuild that lost confidence. > > My other worry is that opposing managers have worked out how our passing > patterns develop and have trained their players where to position > themselves to prevent us building moves. > > On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 4:11 PM nattan--- via Leedslist < > leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote: > >> I agree from what I have read and what little I have seen, yesterday was >> clearly very poor, and I accept we have problems. However can you imagine >> the moaning from other managers if they had to start a game with both >> fullbacks, the midfield lynchpin, the top goal scorer, and the best / most >> creative player all absent? That is 5 out of 10 outfield players missing, >> exactly half of them >> No team could hope to cope easily with that level of absence.( Koch a >> current German international also injured) >> Yes our problems are exacerbated by the small squad which led to a very >> young and inexperienced bench ( the absent for 2 years Forshaw not >> withstanding) >> Things are also made worse by Dallas being out of sorts ( missed an NI >> game earlier due to personal reasons) >> As one of my T shirts says "LUFC KEEP THE FAITH" >> Anyone asking for Bielsa to be replaced need to get a grip >> Get our players back, get a few good results and it will all look much >> better >> Dave >> >> >>On Sunday, 17 October 2021, 15:56:07 BST, Michael Benjamin < >> m...@myray.com> wrote: >> >> This team is Bielsa. >> If it fails we simply go down. No one can get more out of them. >> We'd sell and start all over again. >> This year not only have players gone backward but no one has progressed >> from the under 23s who are not on the fringes before. >> I am at a loss as to why or what is happening, plenty of guesses, but why >> guess. We will wait and see. >> This is Bielsa's show >> >> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> >> >> From: Leedslist on behalf of Ed Morrish < >> edmorr...@gmail.com> >> Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 5:49:32 PM >> To: list leedslist >> Subject: [LU] Coach 22 >> >> Watching the highlights of a pretty abject performance yesterday, a >> problem occurred to me: Bielsa has gotten players like Kalvin and Bamford >> playing in a way that no other coach has ever managed. And when the team >> succeeds it’s because he’s got them playing in a way that none of our >> previous coaches ever have. So for all the problems we’ve got - a small >> squad, no plan B, a reluctance
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Maybe Alioski's nuttiness was actually a bonus? He just went with the flow and did things other players wouldn't (bomb into the box at any time of the game.) Firpo seems more like your usual professional that takes risk into consideration. Nick On Sunday, October 17, 2021, 06:38:24 PM EDT, Richard Naef wrote: Agree 100%. although I do know a few people who think there is a significant Bielsa Out camp. It's almost entirely people who aren't interested in even trying to go to games and spend too much time in Social Media. From: Leedslist on behalf of Richard Walker via Leedslist Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 4:16:32 PM To: Michael Benjamin ; Ed Morrish ; list leedslist Subject: Re: [LU] Coach 22 I don’t think anyone sane is suggesting we replace Bielsa ?Well nobody I know. We’re struggling and I think a few players who hit the heights last year just can’t get there this season for whatever reason (Klich, Dallas, Harrison). The spine of Bielsa’s team have all been injured and some continue to be so (Llorente, Philips, Raphinha and Bamford) and the players coming in to replace them are not performing (Rodrigo, Struijk, Roberts).I think we miss Allioski more than I thought we would. We hardly attack down the left side anymore and certainly not with the pace and directness that Harrison and Allioski used to do.This is Bielsa’s biggest test so far and hopefully he’ll show us he can turn it around because that performance yesterday was a real horror show and if we continue to play like that we will go down. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, October 17, 2021, 3:56 pm, Michael Benjamin wrote: This team is Bielsa. If it fails we simply go down. No one can get more out of them. We'd sell and start all over again. This year not only have players gone backward but no one has progressed from the under 23s who are not on the fringes before. I am at a loss as to why or what is happening, plenty of guesses, but why guess. We will wait and see. This is Bielsa's show Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> From: Leedslist on behalf of Ed Morrish Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 5:49:32 PM To: list leedslist Subject: [LU] Coach 22 Watching the highlights of a pretty abject performance yesterday, a problem occurred to me: Bielsa has gotten players like Kalvin and Bamford playing in a way that no other coach has ever managed. And when the team succeeds it’s because he’s got them playing in a way that none of our previous coaches ever have. So for all the problems we’ve got - a small squad, no plan B, a reluctance to change underperforming players - I wonder if a different coach would be able to change anything, given the players we’ve got? I mean, Bielsa’s the coach who turned Luke Ayling into someone people talk about being called up for England. Is there anyone else who can do that, or would they need to spent £30m on a new right back? In other words, if Bielsa is the best manager for this group of players, don’t we kind of have to just stick with him, at least until we have 11 Raphinhas available for selection…? Ed. Sent from my iPhone ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
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Fair enough, i tend to agree. The last 10 games of last season we were top 2 in form. This season we are bottom 4. IMO neither position is a true reflection of our current status. While Rodrigo or Costs have in no way justified their price tag, there are many that have, let's give Firpo and Koch more time to prove they are on the positive side. From: Leedslist on behalf of John Lee via Leedslist Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 6:08:11 PM To: Robert Heath Cc: leeds list Subject: Re: [LU] Coach 22 Someone asked the question about getting rid of Bielsa, and it is, sadly, a fair one? Accepting the unbelievable progress of the last 3 years, performances which I’ll never ever forget, Bielsa’s methods have been neutered by many teams, and unless we score a hat-full then our defensive structure means we are completely naive at times! Simply repeating the same mistake time and again, with lesser quality players than our first xi, seems idiotic. We can now see why Bielsa stays only a short time at teams - he gets sussed out, and then finds another group to ‘indoctrinate’. When it works it’s brilliant! At what point though does the club start to ask him questions, and will he simply walk? There are 7 teams with 7 points or less - I think we can muddle our way to safety, but I’m short of belief that this is going anywhere near the 9th place of last season, although I’d settle for 17th. Unless our prospects improve I think it’s unfeasible we’ll be hanging on to the likes of Rapha, Phillips etc for more than this season? What are the odds of Newcastle coming in for them in January? I still hope I see us with Shack in midfield and Drameh at right back, and soon! And Roberts nowhere near the first xi :-( Sent from my iPad > On 17 Oct 2021, at 16:20, Robert Heath wrote: > > What worries me is that the players seem to be lacking > confidence..and one thing you need if you are going to play > Bielsaball (and all the high-risk play that entails) is supreme confidence. > It is one of the many facets of Bielsa's genius that he managed to instill > such self-belief in players who, let's be honest, did not previously seem > to possess the talent to deserve to be confident. No doubt getting our top > players back will help, but Bielsa's biggest challenge now, I think, is to > somehow rebuild that lost confidence. > > My other worry is that opposing managers have worked out how our passing > patterns develop and have trained their players where to position > themselves to prevent us building moves. > > On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 4:11 PM nattan--- via Leedslist < > leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote: > >> I agree from what I have read and what little I have seen, yesterday was >> clearly very poor, and I accept we have problems. However can you imagine >> the moaning from other managers if they had to start a game with both >> fullbacks, the midfield lynchpin, the top goal scorer, and the best / most >> creative player all absent? That is 5 out of 10 outfield players missing, >> exactly half of them >> No team could hope to cope easily with that level of absence.( Koch a >> current German international also injured) >> Yes our problems are exacerbated by the small squad which led to a very >> young and inexperienced bench ( the absent for 2 years Forshaw not >> withstanding) >> Things are also made worse by Dallas being out of sorts ( missed an NI >> game earlier due to personal reasons) >> As one of my T shirts says "LUFC KEEP THE FAITH" >> Anyone asking for Bielsa to be replaced need to get a grip >> Get our players back, get a few good results and it will all look much >> better >> Dave >> >> >>On Sunday, 17 October 2021, 15:56:07 BST, Michael Benjamin < >> m...@myray.com> wrote: >> >> This team is Bielsa. >> If it fails we simply go down. No one can get more out of them. >> We'd sell and start all over again. >> This year not only have players gone backward but no one has progressed >> from the under 23s who are not on the fringes before. >> I am at a loss as to why or what is happening, plenty of guesses, but why >> guess. We will wait and see. >> This is Bielsa's show >> >> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> >> >> From: Leedslist on behalf of Ed Morrish < >> edmorr...@gmail.com> >> Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 5:49:32 PM >> To: list leedslist >> Subject: [LU] Coach 22 >> >> Watching the highlights of a pretty abject performance yesterday, a >> problem occurred to me: Bielsa has gotten players like Kalvin and Bamford >> playing in a way that no other coach has ever
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Agree 100%. although I do know a few people who think there is a significant Bielsa Out camp. It's almost entirely people who aren't interested in even trying to go to games and spend too much time in Social Media. From: Leedslist on behalf of Richard Walker via Leedslist Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 4:16:32 PM To: Michael Benjamin ; Ed Morrish ; list leedslist Subject: Re: [LU] Coach 22 I don’t think anyone sane is suggesting we replace Bielsa ?Well nobody I know. We’re struggling and I think a few players who hit the heights last year just can’t get there this season for whatever reason (Klich, Dallas, Harrison). The spine of Bielsa’s team have all been injured and some continue to be so (Llorente, Philips, Raphinha and Bamford) and the players coming in to replace them are not performing (Rodrigo, Struijk, Roberts).I think we miss Allioski more than I thought we would. We hardly attack down the left side anymore and certainly not with the pace and directness that Harrison and Allioski used to do.This is Bielsa’s biggest test so far and hopefully he’ll show us he can turn it around because that performance yesterday was a real horror show and if we continue to play like that we will go down. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, October 17, 2021, 3:56 pm, Michael Benjamin wrote: This team is Bielsa. If it fails we simply go down. No one can get more out of them. We'd sell and start all over again. This year not only have players gone backward but no one has progressed from the under 23s who are not on the fringes before. I am at a loss as to why or what is happening, plenty of guesses, but why guess. We will wait and see. This is Bielsa's show Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> From: Leedslist on behalf of Ed Morrish Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 5:49:32 PM To: list leedslist Subject: [LU] Coach 22 Watching the highlights of a pretty abject performance yesterday, a problem occurred to me: Bielsa has gotten players like Kalvin and Bamford playing in a way that no other coach has ever managed. And when the team succeeds it’s because he’s got them playing in a way that none of our previous coaches ever have. So for all the problems we’ve got - a small squad, no plan B, a reluctance to change underperforming players - I wonder if a different coach would be able to change anything, given the players we’ve got? I mean, Bielsa’s the coach who turned Luke Ayling into someone people talk about being called up for England. Is there anyone else who can do that, or would they need to spent £30m on a new right back? In other words, if Bielsa is the best manager for this group of players, don’t we kind of have to just stick with him, at least until we have 11 Raphinhas available for selection…? Ed. Sent from my iPhone ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
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Someone asked the question about getting rid of Bielsa, and it is, sadly, a fair one? Accepting the unbelievable progress of the last 3 years, performances which I’ll never ever forget, Bielsa’s methods have been neutered by many teams, and unless we score a hat-full then our defensive structure means we are completely naive at times! Simply repeating the same mistake time and again, with lesser quality players than our first xi, seems idiotic. We can now see why Bielsa stays only a short time at teams - he gets sussed out, and then finds another group to ‘indoctrinate’. When it works it’s brilliant! At what point though does the club start to ask him questions, and will he simply walk? There are 7 teams with 7 points or less - I think we can muddle our way to safety, but I’m short of belief that this is going anywhere near the 9th place of last season, although I’d settle for 17th. Unless our prospects improve I think it’s unfeasible we’ll be hanging on to the likes of Rapha, Phillips etc for more than this season? What are the odds of Newcastle coming in for them in January? I still hope I see us with Shack in midfield and Drameh at right back, and soon! And Roberts nowhere near the first xi :-( Sent from my iPad > On 17 Oct 2021, at 16:20, Robert Heath wrote: > > What worries me is that the players seem to be lacking > confidence..and one thing you need if you are going to play > Bielsaball (and all the high-risk play that entails) is supreme confidence. > It is one of the many facets of Bielsa's genius that he managed to instill > such self-belief in players who, let's be honest, did not previously seem > to possess the talent to deserve to be confident. No doubt getting our top > players back will help, but Bielsa's biggest challenge now, I think, is to > somehow rebuild that lost confidence. > > My other worry is that opposing managers have worked out how our passing > patterns develop and have trained their players where to position > themselves to prevent us building moves. > > On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 4:11 PM nattan--- via Leedslist < > leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote: > >> I agree from what I have read and what little I have seen, yesterday was >> clearly very poor, and I accept we have problems. However can you imagine >> the moaning from other managers if they had to start a game with both >> fullbacks, the midfield lynchpin, the top goal scorer, and the best / most >> creative player all absent? That is 5 out of 10 outfield players missing, >> exactly half of them >> No team could hope to cope easily with that level of absence.( Koch a >> current German international also injured) >> Yes our problems are exacerbated by the small squad which led to a very >> young and inexperienced bench ( the absent for 2 years Forshaw not >> withstanding) >> Things are also made worse by Dallas being out of sorts ( missed an NI >> game earlier due to personal reasons) >> As one of my T shirts says "LUFC KEEP THE FAITH" >> Anyone asking for Bielsa to be replaced need to get a grip >> Get our players back, get a few good results and it will all look much >> better >> Dave >> >> >>On Sunday, 17 October 2021, 15:56:07 BST, Michael Benjamin < >> m...@myray.com> wrote: >> >> This team is Bielsa. >> If it fails we simply go down. No one can get more out of them. >> We'd sell and start all over again. >> This year not only have players gone backward but no one has progressed >> from the under 23s who are not on the fringes before. >> I am at a loss as to why or what is happening, plenty of guesses, but why >> guess. We will wait and see. >> This is Bielsa's show >> >> Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> >> >> From: Leedslist on behalf of Ed Morrish < >> edmorr...@gmail.com> >> Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 5:49:32 PM >> To: list leedslist >> Subject: [LU] Coach 22 >> >> Watching the highlights of a pretty abject performance yesterday, a >> problem occurred to me: Bielsa has gotten players like Kalvin and Bamford >> playing in a way that no other coach has ever managed. And when the team >> succeeds it’s because he’s got them playing in a way that none of our >> previous coaches ever have. So for all the problems we’ve got - a small >> squad, no plan B, a reluctance to change underperforming players - I wonder >> if a different coach would be able to change anything, given the players >> we’ve got? I mean, Bielsa’s the coach who turned Luke Ayling into someone >> people talk about being called up for England. Is there anyone else who can >> do
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What worries me is that the players seem to be lacking confidence..and one thing you need if you are going to play Bielsaball (and all the high-risk play that entails) is supreme confidence. It is one of the many facets of Bielsa's genius that he managed to instill such self-belief in players who, let's be honest, did not previously seem to possess the talent to deserve to be confident. No doubt getting our top players back will help, but Bielsa's biggest challenge now, I think, is to somehow rebuild that lost confidence. My other worry is that opposing managers have worked out how our passing patterns develop and have trained their players where to position themselves to prevent us building moves. On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 4:11 PM nattan--- via Leedslist < leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote: > I agree from what I have read and what little I have seen, yesterday was > clearly very poor, and I accept we have problems. However can you imagine > the moaning from other managers if they had to start a game with both > fullbacks, the midfield lynchpin, the top goal scorer, and the best / most > creative player all absent? That is 5 out of 10 outfield players missing, > exactly half of them > No team could hope to cope easily with that level of absence.( Koch a > current German international also injured) > Yes our problems are exacerbated by the small squad which led to a very > young and inexperienced bench ( the absent for 2 years Forshaw not > withstanding) > Things are also made worse by Dallas being out of sorts ( missed an NI > game earlier due to personal reasons) > As one of my T shirts says "LUFC KEEP THE FAITH" > Anyone asking for Bielsa to be replaced need to get a grip > Get our players back, get a few good results and it will all look much > better > Dave > > > On Sunday, 17 October 2021, 15:56:07 BST, Michael Benjamin < > m...@myray.com> wrote: > > This team is Bielsa. > If it fails we simply go down. No one can get more out of them. > We'd sell and start all over again. > This year not only have players gone backward but no one has progressed > from the under 23s who are not on the fringes before. > I am at a loss as to why or what is happening, plenty of guesses, but why > guess. We will wait and see. > This is Bielsa's show > > Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> > > From: Leedslist on behalf of Ed Morrish < > edmorr...@gmail.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 5:49:32 PM > To: list leedslist > Subject: [LU] Coach 22 > > Watching the highlights of a pretty abject performance yesterday, a > problem occurred to me: Bielsa has gotten players like Kalvin and Bamford > playing in a way that no other coach has ever managed. And when the team > succeeds it’s because he’s got them playing in a way that none of our > previous coaches ever have. So for all the problems we’ve got - a small > squad, no plan B, a reluctance to change underperforming players - I wonder > if a different coach would be able to change anything, given the players > we’ve got? I mean, Bielsa’s the coach who turned Luke Ayling into someone > people talk about being called up for England. Is there anyone else who can > do that, or would they need to spent £30m on a new right back? > > In other words, if Bielsa is the best manager for this group of players, > don’t we kind of have to just stick with him, at least until we have 11 > Raphinhas available for selection…? > > Ed. > > Sent from my iPhone > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! I > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
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I don’t think anyone sane is suggesting we replace Bielsa ?Well nobody I know. We’re struggling and I think a few players who hit the heights last year just can’t get there this season for whatever reason (Klich, Dallas, Harrison). The spine of Bielsa’s team have all been injured and some continue to be so (Llorente, Philips, Raphinha and Bamford) and the players coming in to replace them are not performing (Rodrigo, Struijk, Roberts).I think we miss Allioski more than I thought we would. We hardly attack down the left side anymore and certainly not with the pace and directness that Harrison and Allioski used to do.This is Bielsa’s biggest test so far and hopefully he’ll show us he can turn it around because that performance yesterday was a real horror show and if we continue to play like that we will go down. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, October 17, 2021, 3:56 pm, Michael Benjamin wrote: This team is Bielsa. If it fails we simply go down. No one can get more out of them. We'd sell and start all over again. This year not only have players gone backward but no one has progressed from the under 23s who are not on the fringes before. I am at a loss as to why or what is happening, plenty of guesses, but why guess. We will wait and see. This is Bielsa's show Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> From: Leedslist on behalf of Ed Morrish Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 5:49:32 PM To: list leedslist Subject: [LU] Coach 22 Watching the highlights of a pretty abject performance yesterday, a problem occurred to me: Bielsa has gotten players like Kalvin and Bamford playing in a way that no other coach has ever managed. And when the team succeeds it’s because he’s got them playing in a way that none of our previous coaches ever have. So for all the problems we’ve got - a small squad, no plan B, a reluctance to change underperforming players - I wonder if a different coach would be able to change anything, given the players we’ve got? I mean, Bielsa’s the coach who turned Luke Ayling into someone people talk about being called up for England. Is there anyone else who can do that, or would they need to spent £30m on a new right back? In other words, if Bielsa is the best manager for this group of players, don’t we kind of have to just stick with him, at least until we have 11 Raphinhas available for selection…? Ed. Sent from my iPhone ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
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I agree from what I have read and what little I have seen, yesterday was clearly very poor, and I accept we have problems. However can you imagine the moaning from other managers if they had to start a game with both fullbacks, the midfield lynchpin, the top goal scorer, and the best / most creative player all absent? That is 5 out of 10 outfield players missing, exactly half of them No team could hope to cope easily with that level of absence.( Koch a current German international also injured) Yes our problems are exacerbated by the small squad which led to a very young and inexperienced bench ( the absent for 2 years Forshaw not withstanding) Things are also made worse by Dallas being out of sorts ( missed an NI game earlier due to personal reasons) As one of my T shirts says "LUFC KEEP THE FAITH" Anyone asking for Bielsa to be replaced need to get a grip Get our players back, get a few good results and it will all look much better Dave On Sunday, 17 October 2021, 15:56:07 BST, Michael Benjamin wrote: This team is Bielsa. If it fails we simply go down. No one can get more out of them. We'd sell and start all over again. This year not only have players gone backward but no one has progressed from the under 23s who are not on the fringes before. I am at a loss as to why or what is happening, plenty of guesses, but why guess. We will wait and see. This is Bielsa's show Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> From: Leedslist on behalf of Ed Morrish Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 5:49:32 PM To: list leedslist Subject: [LU] Coach 22 Watching the highlights of a pretty abject performance yesterday, a problem occurred to me: Bielsa has gotten players like Kalvin and Bamford playing in a way that no other coach has ever managed. And when the team succeeds it’s because he’s got them playing in a way that none of our previous coaches ever have. So for all the problems we’ve got - a small squad, no plan B, a reluctance to change underperforming players - I wonder if a different coach would be able to change anything, given the players we’ve got? I mean, Bielsa’s the coach who turned Luke Ayling into someone people talk about being called up for England. Is there anyone else who can do that, or would they need to spent £30m on a new right back? In other words, if Bielsa is the best manager for this group of players, don’t we kind of have to just stick with him, at least until we have 11 Raphinhas available for selection…? Ed. Sent from my iPhone ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! I ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
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This team is Bielsa. If it fails we simply go down. No one can get more out of them. We'd sell and start all over again. This year not only have players gone backward but no one has progressed from the under 23s who are not on the fringes before. I am at a loss as to why or what is happening, plenty of guesses, but why guess. We will wait and see. This is Bielsa's show Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> From: Leedslist on behalf of Ed Morrish Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 5:49:32 PM To: list leedslist Subject: [LU] Coach 22 Watching the highlights of a pretty abject performance yesterday, a problem occurred to me: Bielsa has gotten players like Kalvin and Bamford playing in a way that no other coach has ever managed. And when the team succeeds it’s because he’s got them playing in a way that none of our previous coaches ever have. So for all the problems we’ve got - a small squad, no plan B, a reluctance to change underperforming players - I wonder if a different coach would be able to change anything, given the players we’ve got? I mean, Bielsa’s the coach who turned Luke Ayling into someone people talk about being called up for England. Is there anyone else who can do that, or would they need to spent £30m on a new right back? In other words, if Bielsa is the best manager for this group of players, don’t we kind of have to just stick with him, at least until we have 11 Raphinhas available for selection…? Ed. Sent from my iPhone ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat! ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
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Watching the highlights of a pretty abject performance yesterday, a problem occurred to me: Bielsa has gotten players like Kalvin and Bamford playing in a way that no other coach has ever managed. And when the team succeeds it’s because he’s got them playing in a way that none of our previous coaches ever have. So for all the problems we’ve got - a small squad, no plan B, a reluctance to change underperforming players - I wonder if a different coach would be able to change anything, given the players we’ve got? I mean, Bielsa’s the coach who turned Luke Ayling into someone people talk about being called up for England. Is there anyone else who can do that, or would they need to spent £30m on a new right back? In other words, if Bielsa is the best manager for this group of players, don’t we kind of have to just stick with him, at least until we have 11 Raphinhas available for selection…? Ed. Sent from my iPhone ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ Rest in Peace Guy, and wear your hat!
