[LU] Boro

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Another 3 points and another absolutely frantic first 5 minutes.Anyone  who get 
in just after kick off is missing all the best bits. Luckily ( or years of 
honing my skills ?) I was stood in my spot just letting on to those around me 
as the Boro attacker skipped past Gray ( who was otherwise excellent) and fired 
past Meslier 0-1 and barely a minute on the clock But just like Wednesday this 
was just rattling our cage and waking the beast. Immediately we took the game 
to them, Georginio had a shot saved by the keepers feet but we kept the ball 
alive and byram crossed for Dan james , smallest player on the pitch to head 
home. I has heard a stat earlier that he was the first Welshman since John 
Charles to score in 4 consecutive home games - well now its 5 - " no end 
product,  hah!" 
We were not done yet as minutes later Gray got his own back by running down the 
wing and crossing via a deflection,  for Summerville,  the second smallest on 
the pitch to also head home. Complete turnaround and less thsn 10 mins gone. 
 Boro showed they were the best side to visit and caused us problems,  even 
coming  close when mes had to save with his feet and the rebound was blasted 
over.
We then hopefully put the game to bed when Georginio had his ankle grabbed - 
penalty- and piroe showed how its done.Unfortunately they scored form a simple 
corner on half time 3-2
Second half not much happened- Georginio missed a chance, Bamford with mad 
blonde hair nearly headed a 4th. They got a deserved red and almost an 
undeserved equaliser but the ball ricocheted off Struik onto the post and Rodon 
blocked  the follow up 
So a good win v a decent team to continue our great home form
Roll on Blackburn and my first away game since covid 

Dave 

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Re: [LU] Boro

[Simon McNally]

  
  
  

I wouldn’t be surprised if Dallas plays in Phillips position and 
Alioski takes Dallas’ role.Like you, I’d rather see white stay in defence.



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On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 8:56 AM +, "Richard Walker via Leedslist" 
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The first 20 minutes yesterday were the best since WBA last season and we 
scored an early goal when Bamford had 2 good headed chances and scored with the 
2nd. The Boro fans seemed to dislike him from then on. 
The movement and passing was top class and Boro just didn't know what had hit 
them and how to deal with it. Dallas was everywhere, as was Hernandez and 
whilst a high proportion of his passes still never made their target, his 
movement, running and constant desire to get on the ball give us an extra 
dimension. 
After 20 minutes though we did pause for breath and Boro finally got a foot in 
the game. Fletcher caused a few problems and that's the first time I've seen 
White wobbling against a good opponent. Nothing too serious but Fletcher is a 
good player and in a good team I think he would score goals. They didn't create 
much with their possession but we did give them a lot of space at times around 
our box. Philips was lucky to stay on the pitch after he mistimed one of those 
flying tackles that he does now and again. He needs to cut those out of his 
game. His yellow card means he misses the local derby next week. 
It looked like the game was going to to be one of those where we hold on to a 
narrow home victory but then Klich scored with a deflected shot in first half 
injury time and that was the killer blow for Boro. A long ball from Harrison 
(you don't say that often these days) put Bamford away on the left, he then 
pulled back to an unmarked Klich. 
Second half we came out just like the first and took total control. It was a 
devasting display against a team who looked lost and beaten. The ever improving 
Costa got the 3rd with a run where it looked like he'd been tackled and lost 
possession but somehow he kept the ball alive (hes good at doing that) and 
hammered the ball high into the centre of the net. Not sure what the keeper was 
doing but I think he was just beaten by pace.
Bamford spent a lot of the 2nd half on the floor play acting and moaning that 
Ayala had it in for him. Maybe he did, but Bamford is a big girl at times and 
with his previous record the ref was having none of it and I don't blame him.
The fourth goal was probably the best, with Klich just picking his spot in the 
top corner and doing what he used to do. 
We could have had a couple more, Eddie came on for lady Bamford in his gloves 
but didn't figure. 
Overall, this was definitely our best home performance caviated with the fact 
that Boro are really, really poor and Woody won't be there too long. 
Casilla - 7. Nothing to do other than a straight forward shot and a bit of 
close control and clearing at the back which he did well. When's the decision 
on his case ?
Ayling - 7. I thought that was his best performance since his return and he 
nearly scored with a left foot effort on the edge of their box. 
White - 8. He was pushed into midfield late on and there's a view that he may 
play there next week in the absence of Philips. That would be a mistake as he's 
our best defender so play him there in what will no doubt be a typically hard 
Yorkshire derby. We have enough midfielders to cover. 
Cooper - 8. Didn't put a foot wrong. 
Costa - 8. He's beginning to look like a player. He's beating his man (Harrison 
take note) and he looks like a quality player with time and space on the ball. 
With Costa and Hernandez coming into the team and regaining form I think this 
is great news for us over the Christmas period.
Klich - 8. His performances recently showed a player needing a rest however I'm 
now hoping he will kick on again after these 2 goals. 
Hernandez - 7. Lively and some great touches 2nd half. Just wish he could pass 
better. 
Philips - 7. Slow start but grew into the game. Lucky not to be sent off.
Harrison - 7. Had a lot of ball first half and always looks dangerous. 
Struggles to beat his man though. Had a good left foot shot saved second half. 
Bamford - 7. Good goal and worked hard. 
Dallas - 8. His best midfield performance for me. 
Subs:
Eddie - didn't really do anything. We'd won the game by then.
Allioski - same. 
Town got smashed at Bristol but you just know they are gearing up for the game 
of their lives next week. Who plays for Philips ? Shackleton is the obvious 
choice in the absence of Forshaw but maybe Bogusz will get a run. Neither are 
pure defensive midfielders but maybe adding another attacking option will help 
us. I sometimes feel Philips is too pedestrian. We'll see. 





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Re: [LU] Boro

[Michael Benjamin]

White replaces Phillips and Berardi plays in White's place.  That idea doesn't 
fill me with joy.
On the same note,  what is hapennong with Kasilla?

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The first 20 minutes yesterday were the best since WBA last season and we 
scored an early goal when Bamford had 2 good headed chances and scored with the 
2nd. The Boro fans seemed to dislike him from then on.
The movement and passing was top class and Boro just didn't know what had hit 
them and how to deal with it. Dallas was everywhere, as was Hernandez and 
whilst a high proportion of his passes still never made their target, his 
movement, running and constant desire to get on the ball give us an extra 
dimension.
After 20 minutes though we did pause for breath and Boro finally got a foot in 
the game. Fletcher caused a few problems and that's the first time I've seen 
White wobbling against a good opponent. Nothing too serious but Fletcher is a 
good player and in a good team I think he would score goals. They didn't create 
much with their possession but we did give them a lot of space at times around 
our box. Philips was lucky to stay on the pitch after he mistimed one of those 
flying tackles that he does now and again. He needs to cut those out of his 
game. His yellow card means he misses the local derby next week.
It looked like the game was going to to be one of those where we hold on to a 
narrow home victory but then Klich scored with a deflected shot in first half 
injury time and that was the killer blow for Boro. A long ball from Harrison 
(you don't say that often these days) put Bamford away on the left, he then 
pulled back to an unmarked Klich.
Second half we came out just like the first and took total control. It was a 
devasting display against a team who looked lost and beaten. The ever improving 
Costa got the 3rd with a run where it looked like he'd been tackled and lost 
possession but somehow he kept the ball alive (hes good at doing that) and 
hammered the ball high into the centre of the net. Not sure what the keeper was 
doing but I think he was just beaten by pace.
Bamford spent a lot of the 2nd half on the floor play acting and moaning that 
Ayala had it in for him. Maybe he did, but Bamford is a big girl at times and 
with his previous record the ref was having none of it and I don't blame him.
The fourth goal was probably the best, with Klich just picking his spot in the 
top corner and doing what he used to do.
We could have had a couple more, Eddie came on for lady Bamford in his gloves 
but didn't figure.
Overall, this was definitely our best home performance caviated with the fact 
that Boro are really, really poor and Woody won't be there too long.
Casilla - 7. Nothing to do other than a straight forward shot and a bit of 
close control and clearing at the back which he did well. When's the decision 
on his case ?
Ayling - 7. I thought that was his best performance since his return and he 
nearly scored with a left foot effort on the edge of their box.
White - 8. He was pushed into midfield late on and there's a view that he may 
play there next week in the absence of Philips. That would be a mistake as he's 
our best defender so play him there in what will no doubt be a typically hard 
Yorkshire derby. We have enough midfielders to cover.
Cooper - 8. Didn't put a foot wrong.
Costa - 8. He's beginning to look like a player. He's beating his man (Harrison 
take note) and he looks like a quality player with time and space on the ball. 
With Costa and Hernandez coming into the team and regaining form I think this 
is great news for us over the Christmas period.
Klich - 8. His performances recently showed a player needing a rest however I'm 
now hoping he will kick on again after these 2 goals.
Hernandez - 7. Lively and some great touches 2nd half. Just wish he could pass 
better.
Philips - 7. Slow start but grew into the game. Lucky not to be sent off.
Harrison - 7. Had a lot of ball first half and always looks dangerous. 
Struggles to beat his man though. Had a good left foot shot saved second half.
Bamford - 7. Good goal and worked hard.
Dallas - 8. His best midfield performance for me.
Subs:
Eddie - didn't really do anything. We'd won the game by then.
Allioski - same.
Town got smashed at Bristol but you just know they are gearing up for the game 
of their lives next week. Who plays for Philips ? Shackleton is the obvious 
choice in the absence of Forshaw but maybe Bogusz will get a run. Neither are 
pure defensive midfielders but maybe adding another attacking option will help 
us. I sometimes feel Philips is too pedestrian. We'll see.





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[LU] Boro

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

The first 20 minutes yesterday were the best since WBA last season and we 
scored an early goal when Bamford had 2 good headed chances and scored with the 
2nd. The Boro fans seemed to dislike him from then on. 
The movement and passing was top class and Boro just didn't know what had hit 
them and how to deal with it. Dallas was everywhere, as was Hernandez and 
whilst a high proportion of his passes still never made their target, his 
movement, running and constant desire to get on the ball give us an extra 
dimension. 
After 20 minutes though we did pause for breath and Boro finally got a foot in 
the game. Fletcher caused a few problems and that's the first time I've seen 
White wobbling against a good opponent. Nothing too serious but Fletcher is a 
good player and in a good team I think he would score goals. They didn't create 
much with their possession but we did give them a lot of space at times around 
our box. Philips was lucky to stay on the pitch after he mistimed one of those 
flying tackles that he does now and again. He needs to cut those out of his 
game. His yellow card means he misses the local derby next week. 
It looked like the game was going to to be one of those where we hold on to a 
narrow home victory but then Klich scored with a deflected shot in first half 
injury time and that was the killer blow for Boro. A long ball from Harrison 
(you don't say that often these days) put Bamford away on the left, he then 
pulled back to an unmarked Klich. 
Second half we came out just like the first and took total control. It was a 
devasting display against a team who looked lost and beaten. The ever improving 
Costa got the 3rd with a run where it looked like he'd been tackled and lost 
possession but somehow he kept the ball alive (hes good at doing that) and 
hammered the ball high into the centre of the net. Not sure what the keeper was 
doing but I think he was just beaten by pace.
Bamford spent a lot of the 2nd half on the floor play acting and moaning that 
Ayala had it in for him. Maybe he did, but Bamford is a big girl at times and 
with his previous record the ref was having none of it and I don't blame him.
The fourth goal was probably the best, with Klich just picking his spot in the 
top corner and doing what he used to do. 
We could have had a couple more, Eddie came on for lady Bamford in his gloves 
but didn't figure. 
Overall, this was definitely our best home performance caviated with the fact 
that Boro are really, really poor and Woody won't be there too long. 
Casilla - 7. Nothing to do other than a straight forward shot and a bit of 
close control and clearing at the back which he did well. When's the decision 
on his case ?
Ayling - 7. I thought that was his best performance since his return and he 
nearly scored with a left foot effort on the edge of their box. 
White - 8. He was pushed into midfield late on and there's a view that he may 
play there next week in the absence of Philips. That would be a mistake as he's 
our best defender so play him there in what will no doubt be a typically hard 
Yorkshire derby. We have enough midfielders to cover. 
Cooper - 8. Didn't put a foot wrong. 
Costa - 8. He's beginning to look like a player. He's beating his man (Harrison 
take note) and he looks like a quality player with time and space on the ball. 
With Costa and Hernandez coming into the team and regaining form I think this 
is great news for us over the Christmas period.
Klich - 8. His performances recently showed a player needing a rest however I'm 
now hoping he will kick on again after these 2 goals. 
Hernandez - 7. Lively and some great touches 2nd half. Just wish he could pass 
better. 
Philips - 7. Slow start but grew into the game. Lucky not to be sent off.
Harrison - 7. Had a lot of ball first half and always looks dangerous. 
Struggles to beat his man though. Had a good left foot shot saved second half. 
Bamford - 7. Good goal and worked hard. 
Dallas - 8. His best midfield performance for me. 
Subs:
Eddie - didn't really do anything. We'd won the game by then.
Allioski - same. 
Town got smashed at Bristol but you just know they are gearing up for the game 
of their lives next week. Who plays for Philips ? Shackleton is the obvious 
choice in the absence of Forshaw but maybe Bogusz will get a run. Neither are 
pure defensive midfielders but maybe adding another attacking option will help 
us. I sometimes feel Philips is too pedestrian. We'll see. 





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[LU] Boro massacre

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Well for the first home game this season the score actually reflected  the game 
as we totally and utterly destroyed an awful Boro team. They were as bad a team 
as we have had vist ER this season and a dirty one at that, the disgrace that 
is Ayala seemed to take Bamford out with a blatant elbow
Too much traffic and too big abuse queue meant that we knew weeljld ,is kick 
off. " No problem said my son we never score first half" he then followed that 
with " rather us win 1 0 with a first minute goal that we miss than only draw"  
 Well his words were almost prophetic as we were just coming out of the toilets 
as a roar went up, signalling a Leeds goal.  We de ided to wat h the replay on 
the TV before going to our seats, however the picture was breaking up so not 
totally sure what happened.  Bamford had a header that the keeper spilled then 
the ball was crossed back to him and he headed home.
 A great start and we pressed for a second.  Ailing fired over and Bamford 
ttounked the keeper with another header. Then on the stroke of half time a bit 
of a scramble ended with Klich having ascuffed shot deflected in, abit of good 
fortune in front of goal for once
Second half it was just a case of how many as the crowd really came to life 
with great renditions of the new promotion song " you know pump it up the 
whites are going up" and  a ground wide waccoe.
Klich, Harrison and Dallas all had decent attempts saved or just wide as we put 
an awful side to the sword.
The scoreline became respectable when the impressive Costa,   improving game by 
game, got the 3rd with a mixture of luck, skill and determination.  The icing 
on the cake was the 4th as Klich remembered both last season and why we sing 
that song as he curled in a beauty from distance 
So 5 wins in 5 and another clean sheet, this time accompanied by goals at the 
other end. The only blot on an otherwise perfect day was a booking for Kalvin 
that means he will miss next week's game v the dog botherers
Great times are back at ER. Let's home we can keep going
Dave 


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[Richard Naef]

Actually Pulis was very gracious and all he said about the +12 mins was he 
hoped the lad was OK and disappointed they conceded from a set piece.

Are u watching Frankie?, doubt it as your head is too far up your arse.

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Can’t wait for boro tv reaction now

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> On 9 Feb 2019, at 15:12, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
>
> Yes would have settled for a point at the outset - both Roofe and Bamford 
> should have scored (and we did hit post) - having said that they should have 
> had 2 in the first half
> A lot of slack play and poor decision making etc but cannot fault them for 
> effort commitment and attitude - this team always, always keep going
> I like the fact that Bielsa never just lets the game pass him by - he changes 
> the personnel when it is not working, this time Pablo at half time, then 
> Roberts (impressive again) and Shackleton all coming on
> A win on Wed v Swansea then a week off before another game we 'should' win v 
> Bolton, so the chance of a real spring board. West Brom have a lot of local 
> games coming up with Stoke, Forest and Villa their next 3. Sheff U will be 
> gutted after last night and have Boro and West Brom (as well as an easy one v 
> Reading) for their next 3, unfortunately Norwich have an easy run coming up 
> albeit Ipswich will not roll over for them
> Back to top even if not for long
> Whatever it has been a great season and there is still a long way to go
> Nice to see Brown on the bench, maybe he will get a run out on Wednesday
> Dave
>On Saturday, 9 February 2019, 15:03:08 GMT, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
>  wrote:
>
> great 2nd half - thoroughly deserved the draw and had enough chances (Bamford 
> !) to win.
> anyway, know who collapsed on the Leeds bench ? Looked serious - game stopped 
> for 10 mins.
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[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Yeah a lot of sloppiness, but the "getting tired" mantra does not hold water. 
We have scored really late against Stoke, Norwich and now Middlesborough. Yes 
we did not win those games but keep going whatever the score.
Great point.
Nick
On Saturday, February 9, 2019, 10:13:14 AM EST, nat...@sky.com 
 wrote:  
 
  Yes would have settled for a point at the outset - both Roofe and Bamford 
should have scored (and we did hit post) - having said that they should have 
had 2 in the first half
A lot of slack play and poor decision making etc but cannot fault them for 
effort commitment and attitude - this team always, always keep going
I like the fact that Bielsa never just lets the game pass him by - he changes 
the personnel when it is not working, this time Pablo at half time, then 
Roberts (impressive again) and Shackleton all coming on
A win on Wed v Swansea then a week off before another game we 'should' win v 
Bolton, so the chance of a real spring board. West Brom have a lot of local 
games coming up with Stoke, Forest and Villa their next 3. Sheff U will be 
gutted after last night and have Boro and West Brom (as well as an easy one v 
Reading) for their next 3, unfortunately Norwich have an easy run coming up 
albeit Ipswich will not roll over for them
Back to top even if not for long 
Whatever it has been a great season and there is still a long way to go
Nice to see Brown on the bench, maybe he will get a run out on Wednesday 
Dave
    On Saturday, 9 February 2019, 15:03:08 GMT, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 great 2nd half - thoroughly deserved the draw and had enough chances (Bamford 
!) to win. 
anyway, know who collapsed on the Leeds bench ? Looked serious - game stopped 
for 10 mins. 
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[Matt Anderson]

Can’t wait for boro tv reaction now 

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> On 9 Feb 2019, at 15:12, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
> 
> Yes would have settled for a point at the outset - both Roofe and Bamford 
> should have scored (and we did hit post) - having said that they should have 
> had 2 in the first half
> A lot of slack play and poor decision making etc but cannot fault them for 
> effort commitment and attitude - this team always, always keep going
> I like the fact that Bielsa never just lets the game pass him by - he changes 
> the personnel when it is not working, this time Pablo at half time, then 
> Roberts (impressive again) and Shackleton all coming on
> A win on Wed v Swansea then a week off before another game we 'should' win v 
> Bolton, so the chance of a real spring board. West Brom have a lot of local 
> games coming up with Stoke, Forest and Villa their next 3. Sheff U will be 
> gutted after last night and have Boro and West Brom (as well as an easy one v 
> Reading) for their next 3, unfortunately Norwich have an easy run coming up 
> albeit Ipswich will not roll over for them
> Back to top even if not for long 
> Whatever it has been a great season and there is still a long way to go
> Nice to see Brown on the bench, maybe he will get a run out on Wednesday 
> Dave
>On Saturday, 9 February 2019, 15:03:08 GMT, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
>  wrote:  
> 
> great 2nd half - thoroughly deserved the draw and had enough chances (Bamford 
> !) to win. 
> anyway, know who collapsed on the Leeds bench ? Looked serious - game stopped 
> for 10 mins. 
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> On 9 Feb 2019, at 15:02, Richard Walker via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> great 2nd half - thoroughly deserved the draw and had enough chances (Bamford 
> !) to win. 
> anyway, know who collapsed on the Leeds bench ? Looked serious - game stopped 
> for 10 mins. 
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 Yes would have settled for a point at the outset - both Roofe and Bamford 
should have scored (and we did hit post) - having said that they should have 
had 2 in the first half
A lot of slack play and poor decision making etc but cannot fault them for 
effort commitment and attitude - this team always, always keep going
I like the fact that Bielsa never just lets the game pass him by - he changes 
the personnel when it is not working, this time Pablo at half time, then 
Roberts (impressive again) and Shackleton all coming on
A win on Wed v Swansea then a week off before another game we 'should' win v 
Bolton, so the chance of a real spring board. West Brom have a lot of local 
games coming up with Stoke, Forest and Villa their next 3. Sheff U will be 
gutted after last night and have Boro and West Brom (as well as an easy one v 
Reading) for their next 3, unfortunately Norwich have an easy run coming up 
albeit Ipswich will not roll over for them
Back to top even if not for long 
Whatever it has been a great season and there is still a long way to go
Nice to see Brown on the bench, maybe he will get a run out on Wednesday 
Dave
On Saturday, 9 February 2019, 15:03:08 GMT, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 great 2nd half - thoroughly deserved the draw and had enough chances (Bamford 
!) to win. 
anyway, know who collapsed on the Leeds bench ? Looked serious - game stopped 
for 10 mins. 
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[LU] boro

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

great 2nd half - thoroughly deserved the draw and had enough chances (Bamford 
!) to win. 
anyway, know who collapsed on the Leeds bench ? Looked serious - game stopped 
for 10 mins. 
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[LU] Boro

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

Their home form is pretty sketchy, only won six out of 14 at home. Draw an 
awful lot home and away.
Nick
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Re: [LU] Boro

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

Boro were blatantly time wasting in the first half. I can understand setting 
your team out not to get beat but time wasting and ruining the game is 
shocking. 

   On Sunday, 2 September 2018, 20:38:44 BST, {broken-address} Nicholas Armit 
 wrote:  
 
 I have to ask how can you enjoy that? The way they play is truly appalling to 
watch.  On Saturday, September 1, 2018, 11:07:25 PM EDT, Ian Murray 
 wrote:  
 
 Dont really get the critcism of Pulis. He sets up a physically big team and 
plays in a way to get results. It worked for him and you have to say it was a 
better result for them than us. I used to enjoy watching his Stoke team in the 
Prem so this "anti football" stuff is bollocks in my opinion.


They came for draw and got one. That said, that should be a massive confidence 
boost for us. They were scared of us and set up to try and stop us - clearly we 
are the better side and if we keep doing what we're doing, we WILL get promoted.

I agree Bamford should have been on earlier. Otherwise were top of the league 
ahead of the break. Youd take that, wouldnt you?




Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.


 Original message 
From: nat...@sky.com
Date: 01/09/2018 17:33 (GMT+08:00)
To: Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] Boro

Agree with both of you to some extent, more on Nicks  side as regards my 
enjoyment and level of happinessI sent two texts to my wife which sum it up for 
me - at half time "0 0 more intriguing than exciting but so far so good. Settle 
now for 0 0 at the end"and then from the bus at the end - "ended 0 0 so content 
rather than happy.No chances either way - teams cancelled each other out but 
another hurdle crossed"
If I was the supposed 'neutral' watching this on TV I would have switched off 
at half time and gone and watched the grass grow BUT I was there live and the 
atmosphere generated by a full house and the tension in the game made it well 
worth watching and time seemed to fly by.
As Rich says it was like playing in the land of the giants, they really are a 
big team and whether it is 'anti football' or not they were physical niggly and 
time wasting throughout. They are also up there with the best this Division has 
to offer and I reckon if you finish above them you will be promoted (or at 
least 100% guarenteed play off place)

We are still very much a work in progress and still learning how to play 
against certain opposition. Whilst it is true we did not create a single clear 
cut chance and never worked the keeper they only hand a couple which BPF did 
well to save, and whilst I agree that he was MoM (or person of the match for 
the cricket lovers!!) that was more to do with his catching crosses and general 
play rather than making spectacular saves.
I was a bit surprised at the lack of subs especially given how quickly he made 
all 3 v Swansea but when discussing it with my mate during the match his theory 
was that it was so evenly matched that any substitution was almost an admission 
of failure - a sort of who blinks first type of thing. Whatever the truth of it 
I would have liked to see Bamford on with time to do something - Roofe was 
working his socks off but suffered from a total lack of good service and an 
inability to make things happen himself. Maybe I fall for the ex player always 
scores agianst his old team cliche but I did think Bamford could have given us 
the goal we craved
Like everyone I was worried, as I have been many games, that we would be 
vulnerable at corners and long throws / free kicks but once again we stood up 
to the battering (thanks in no small part to BPF) - in fact apart from Swansea 
when both Cooper and Pontus were missing, we have not conceded a goal from open 
play or a corner or long throw in 5 of the 6 games (one pen and one direct free 
kick) and only conceded 4 goals in 6 a great defensive record for a team that 
is all about attacking.
So a bit of a break and time to get Forshaw and Brown fit, and more importantly 
time for Bielsa to get stuck into the team (only a few will be off on 
international duty) and continue to get his ideas across. IT also means we will 
top of the league for a few more weeks minimum before we face another of the 
hurdles -Millwall a team that are fairly rubbish week in week out in front of a 
handful of fans but turn into world beaters in front of a full house when it is 
us in town
So  it was a result I would have taken at the start of the game and another 
challenge faced and just about passed

Dave


      From: Nick 
 To: Leeds List 
 Sent: Saturday, 1 September 2018, 9:03
 Subject: Re: [LU] Boro

Pretty much agree with that. Don’t know about ‘anti-football’ - there’s no rule 
that dictates how you have play the game (as long as you stay within the rules 
of the game of course) - but I do know that I’d rather face the prospect of a 
season spent playing how we have for the last month than how it looks like Boro 
will play. They were large, physic

Re: [LU] Boro

[Ian Murray]

I used to enjoy stoke in the Prem. They were such a big, physical side 
compleltely well-drilled. Delap's big long throw ins and their set piece play. 
Dom Matteo played for him at Stoke when they went up (seem to remember them 
battering us 4-0 at home), and he said simialr things. V organised, everyone 
knew their role etc. Theres something about that.

Havent seen anything of Middlesbrough this season.



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.


 Original message 
From: Nicholas Armit 
Date: 03/09/2018 03:38 (GMT+08:00)
To: nat...@sky.com, Leeds List , Ian Murray 

Subject: Re: [LU] Boro

I have to ask how can you enjoy that? The way they play is truly appalling to 
watch.
On Saturday, September 1, 2018, 11:07:25 PM EDT, Ian Murray 
 wrote:


Dont really get the critcism of Pulis. He sets up a physically big team and 
plays in a way to get results. It worked for him and you have to say it was a 
better result for them than us. I used to enjoy watching his Stoke team in the 
Prem so this "anti football" stuff is bollocks in my opinion.


They came for draw and got one. That said, that should be a massive confidence 
boost for us. They were scared of us and set up to try and stop us - clearly we 
are the better side and if we keep doing what we're doing, we WILL get promoted.

I agree Bamford should have been on earlier. Otherwise were top of the league 
ahead of the break. Youd take that, wouldnt you?




Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.


 Original message 
From: nat...@sky.com<mailto:nat...@sky.com>
Date: 01/09/2018 17:33 (GMT+08:00)
To: Leeds List mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
Subject: Re: [LU] Boro

Agree with both of you to some extent, more on Nicks  side as regards my 
enjoyment and level of happinessI sent two texts to my wife which sum it up for 
me - at half time "0 0 more intriguing than exciting but so far so good. Settle 
now for 0 0 at the end"and then from the bus at the end - "ended 0 0 so content 
rather than happy.No chances either way - teams cancelled each other out but 
another hurdle crossed"
If I was the supposed 'neutral' watching this on TV I would have switched off 
at half time and gone and watched the grass grow BUT I was there live and the 
atmosphere generated by a full house and the tension in the game made it well 
worth watching and time seemed to fly by.
As Rich says it was like playing in the land of the giants, they really are a 
big team and whether it is 'anti football' or not they were physical niggly and 
time wasting throughout. They are also up there with the best this Division has 
to offer and I reckon if you finish above them you will be promoted (or at 
least 100% guarenteed play off place)

We are still very much a work in progress and still learning how to play 
against certain opposition. Whilst it is true we did not create a single clear 
cut chance and never worked the keeper they only hand a couple which BPF did 
well to save, and whilst I agree that he was MoM (or person of the match for 
the cricket lovers!!) that was more to do with his catching crosses and general 
play rather than making spectacular saves.
I was a bit surprised at the lack of subs especially given how quickly he made 
all 3 v Swansea but when discussing it with my mate during the match his theory 
was that it was so evenly matched that any substitution was almost an admission 
of failure - a sort of who blinks first type of thing. Whatever the truth of it 
I would have liked to see Bamford on with time to do something - Roofe was 
working his socks off but suffered from a total lack of good service and an 
inability to make things happen himself. Maybe I fall for the ex player always 
scores agianst his old team cliche but I did think Bamford could have given us 
the goal we craved
Like everyone I was worried, as I have been many games, that we would be 
vulnerable at corners and long throws / free kicks but once again we stood up 
to the battering (thanks in no small part to BPF) - in fact apart from Swansea 
when both Cooper and Pontus were missing, we have not conceded a goal from open 
play or a corner or long throw in 5 of the 6 games (one pen and one direct free 
kick) and only conceded 4 goals in 6 a great defensive record for a team that 
is all about attacking.
So a bit of a break and time to get Forshaw and Brown fit, and more importantly 
time for Bielsa to get stuck into the team (only a few will be off on 
international duty) and continue to get his ideas across. IT also means we will 
top of the league for a few more weeks minimum before we face another of the 
hurdles -Millwall a team that are fairly rubbish week in week out in front of a 
handful of fans but turn into world beaters in front of a full house when it is 
us in town
So  it was a result I would have taken at the start of the game and another 
challenge faced and just about passed

Dave


  From: Nick mailt

Re: [LU] Boro

[Richard Naef]

We are also just 10 weeks onto Bielsa's reign.  In that time he has radically 
improved our players.   There will be blips along the way but at last hopefully 
we are building for the long term.

I'm a little concerned how well the teams around us have consolidated with 
loans.  I think we may end up with injuries and tiredness affecting our results 
in the later part of the season.  For that reason a play off place is what I'm 
expecting.   Boro and Villa (if they change manager) look better bets to get 
85+points than us.  Derby, Swansea and Brentford Forest and Blunts to be in da 
mix.

Sent from my mobile


From: Leedslist  on behalf of Ian Murray 

Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2018 4:07:03 AM
To: nat...@sky.com; Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] Boro

Dont really get the critcism of Pulis. He sets up a physically big team and 
plays in a way to get results. It worked for him and you have to say it was a 
better result for them than us. I used to enjoy watching his Stoke team in the 
Prem so this "anti football" stuff is bollocks in my opinion.


They came for draw and got one. That said, that should be a massive confidence 
boost for us. They were scared of us and set up to try and stop us - clearly we 
are the better side and if we keep doing what we're doing, we WILL get promoted.

I agree Bamford should have been on earlier. Otherwise were top of the league 
ahead of the break. Youd take that, wouldnt you?




Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.


 Original message 
From: nat...@sky.com
Date: 01/09/2018 17:33 (GMT+08:00)
To: Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] Boro

Agree with both of you to some extent, more on Nicks  side as regards my 
enjoyment and level of happinessI sent two texts to my wife which sum it up for 
me - at half time "0 0 more intriguing than exciting but so far so good. Settle 
now for 0 0 at the end"and then from the bus at the end - "ended 0 0 so content 
rather than happy.No chances either way - teams cancelled each other out but 
another hurdle crossed"
If I was the supposed 'neutral' watching this on TV I would have switched off 
at half time and gone and watched the grass grow BUT I was there live and the 
atmosphere generated by a full house and the tension in the game made it well 
worth watching and time seemed to fly by.
As Rich says it was like playing in the land of the giants, they really are a 
big team and whether it is 'anti football' or not they were physical niggly and 
time wasting throughout. They are also up there with the best this Division has 
to offer and I reckon if you finish above them you will be promoted (or at 
least 100% guarenteed play off place)

We are still very much a work in progress and still learning how to play 
against certain opposition. Whilst it is true we did not create a single clear 
cut chance and never worked the keeper they only hand a couple which BPF did 
well to save, and whilst I agree that he was MoM (or person of the match for 
the cricket lovers!!) that was more to do with his catching crosses and general 
play rather than making spectacular saves.
I was a bit surprised at the lack of subs especially given how quickly he made 
all 3 v Swansea but when discussing it with my mate during the match his theory 
was that it was so evenly matched that any substitution was almost an admission 
of failure - a sort of who blinks first type of thing. Whatever the truth of it 
I would have liked to see Bamford on with time to do something - Roofe was 
working his socks off but suffered from a total lack of good service and an 
inability to make things happen himself. Maybe I fall for the ex player always 
scores agianst his old team cliche but I did think Bamford could have given us 
the goal we craved
Like everyone I was worried, as I have been many games, that we would be 
vulnerable at corners and long throws / free kicks but once again we stood up 
to the battering (thanks in no small part to BPF) - in fact apart from Swansea 
when both Cooper and Pontus were missing, we have not conceded a goal from open 
play or a corner or long throw in 5 of the 6 games (one pen and one direct free 
kick) and only conceded 4 goals in 6 a great defensive record for a team that 
is all about attacking.
So a bit of a break and time to get Forshaw and Brown fit, and more importantly 
time for Bielsa to get stuck into the team (only a few will be off on 
international duty) and continue to get his ideas across. IT also means we will 
top of the league for a few more weeks minimum before we face another of the 
hurdles -Millwall a team that are fairly rubbish week in week out in front of a 
handful of fans but turn into world beaters in front of a full house when it is 
us in town
So  it was a result I would have taken at the start of the game and another 
challenge faced and just about passed

Dave


  From: Nick 
 To: Leeds List 
 Sent: Saturday, 1 September 2018, 9:03
 

Re: [LU] Boro

[{broken-address} Nicholas Armit]

I have to ask how can you enjoy that? The way they play is truly appalling to 
watch.   On Saturday, September 1, 2018, 11:07:25 PM EDT, Ian Murray 
 wrote:  
 
 Dont really get the critcism of Pulis. He sets up a physically big team and 
plays in a way to get results. It worked for him and you have to say it was a 
better result for them than us. I used to enjoy watching his Stoke team in the 
Prem so this "anti football" stuff is bollocks in my opinion.


They came for draw and got one. That said, that should be a massive confidence 
boost for us. They were scared of us and set up to try and stop us - clearly we 
are the better side and if we keep doing what we're doing, we WILL get promoted.

I agree Bamford should have been on earlier. Otherwise were top of the league 
ahead of the break. Youd take that, wouldnt you?




Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.


 Original message 
From: nat...@sky.com
Date: 01/09/2018 17:33 (GMT+08:00)
To: Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] Boro

Agree with both of you to some extent, more on Nicks  side as regards my 
enjoyment and level of happinessI sent two texts to my wife which sum it up for 
me - at half time "0 0 more intriguing than exciting but so far so good. Settle 
now for 0 0 at the end"and then from the bus at the end - "ended 0 0 so content 
rather than happy.No chances either way - teams cancelled each other out but 
another hurdle crossed"
If I was the supposed 'neutral' watching this on TV I would have switched off 
at half time and gone and watched the grass grow BUT I was there live and the 
atmosphere generated by a full house and the tension in the game made it well 
worth watching and time seemed to fly by.
As Rich says it was like playing in the land of the giants, they really are a 
big team and whether it is 'anti football' or not they were physical niggly and 
time wasting throughout. They are also up there with the best this Division has 
to offer and I reckon if you finish above them you will be promoted (or at 
least 100% guarenteed play off place)

We are still very much a work in progress and still learning how to play 
against certain opposition. Whilst it is true we did not create a single clear 
cut chance and never worked the keeper they only hand a couple which BPF did 
well to save, and whilst I agree that he was MoM (or person of the match for 
the cricket lovers!!) that was more to do with his catching crosses and general 
play rather than making spectacular saves.
I was a bit surprised at the lack of subs especially given how quickly he made 
all 3 v Swansea but when discussing it with my mate during the match his theory 
was that it was so evenly matched that any substitution was almost an admission 
of failure - a sort of who blinks first type of thing. Whatever the truth of it 
I would have liked to see Bamford on with time to do something - Roofe was 
working his socks off but suffered from a total lack of good service and an 
inability to make things happen himself. Maybe I fall for the ex player always 
scores agianst his old team cliche but I did think Bamford could have given us 
the goal we craved
Like everyone I was worried, as I have been many games, that we would be 
vulnerable at corners and long throws / free kicks but once again we stood up 
to the battering (thanks in no small part to BPF) - in fact apart from Swansea 
when both Cooper and Pontus were missing, we have not conceded a goal from open 
play or a corner or long throw in 5 of the 6 games (one pen and one direct free 
kick) and only conceded 4 goals in 6 a great defensive record for a team that 
is all about attacking.
So a bit of a break and time to get Forshaw and Brown fit, and more importantly 
time for Bielsa to get stuck into the team (only a few will be off on 
international duty) and continue to get his ideas across. IT also means we will 
top of the league for a few more weeks minimum before we face another of the 
hurdles -Millwall a team that are fairly rubbish week in week out in front of a 
handful of fans but turn into world beaters in front of a full house when it is 
us in town
So  it was a result I would have taken at the start of the game and another 
challenge faced and just about passed

Dave


      From: Nick 
 To: Leeds List 
 Sent: Saturday, 1 September 2018, 9:03
 Subject: Re: [LU] Boro

Pretty much agree with that. Don’t know about ‘anti-football’ - there’s no rule 
that dictates how you have play the game (as long as you stay within the rules 
of the game of course) - but I do know that I’d rather face the prospect of a 
season spent playing how we have for the last month than how it looks like Boro 
will play. They were large, physical and are going to bully most opposition out 
of any games. To some extent they nullified our attacking down the wings and we 
did play to their strength by knocking it high into Roofe sometimes…if ever a 
game was begging for us to get down the win

Re: [LU] Boro

[Jim Moran]

Agreed. Seemed Cooper in particular forgot he was playing this season
rather than last, and often lumped up clearances. What was pleasing was our
appetite for the second ball still.

On Sat, 1 Sep 2018 at 15:05, {broken-address} <
seanscr...@aol.com-is-broken.gn.apc.org> wrote:

> I was disappointed at the way we so frequently opted for the long ball
> option out of defence. Not only did that seem to me very un-Bielsa like,
> but it made no sense against a team with such a height advantage (was I
> imagining it, or was half of their team taller than our tallest outfield
> player?).
>
>
> That being said, a draw suited us better - they needed to win to overtake
> us at the top. We kept a clean sheet against a side of bullies and retained
> our unbeaten record. That's good enough for me.
>
>
> Cheers!
>
>
> Sean
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: {broken-address} Richard Walker <
> richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org>
> To: Leeds List 
> Sent: Sat, Sep 1, 2018 3:15 am
> Subject: [LU] Boro
>
> Lots of comments on the bus back into town after the game the Pulis is
> 'anti-football' and he is 'destroying the game' with his turgid style which
> sets his teams up not to lose first and foremost with the hope they can
> nick a goal from a long throwing, corner or a set piece. Boro also
> blatantly time wasted from the off which is horrible to watch but you have
> to say that I never thought we would win this game. It's a shame that Boro
> play like this because they do have good players in the team (Clayton,
> Howson, Downing) and we saw glimpses of them in the first half, especially
> when Howson danced around KIich, left him for dead and made Peacock make a
> good save. Can we buy him back please? I've always been a big fan.As soon
> as the teams came out I said they looked like a big team whereas we had no
> height. Bielsa dropped Jansson to bring back Cooper and so we lost our best
> defender from set pieces (and long throws). Also we played Roofe, on his
> own up front, against some 6ft plus horribl
>  e, cheating, ugly bastards (Ayala). He was never going to get a sniff and
> when you consider we lost Hernandes and Saiz was having another off day it
> was always going to be tough for us. I don't think their keeper had to make
> a decent save all night. Having said that we battled hard and deserved a
> point but I think it was more down to poor Boro play than anything. I don't
> think we won many headers in our box and they had chance after chance from
> free headers in the first half that they either sailed over or on one
> occassion from another long throw Peacock excellently saved. We tried to
> play the way we have done so far and at times we did manage to create space
> and openings it's just there was no end product or Boro just snuffed the
> attack out. When we did get space, it usually fell to Allioski who more
> than often was off-side. He really is a brainless footballer at times. Look
> along the line you numbskull. I was watching him making his runs in the
> first half and he was always at leas
>  t a yard off side. Frustrating. So lots of possession but very little end
> product. Is Saiz injured ? because he doesn't look the same player as he
> did for the opening games. He didn't have the pace or the acceleration to
> get the ball and go on those runs where he always seems to be a yard ahead
> of the opposition. He seems to be stuggling and doesn't have the legs to do
> what he wants to do, leaving him totally ineffective as he was last night.
> Worrying. The highlight for me though was our keeper's perfromance last
> night. Against the Boro bombardment he commanded his area brilliantly and
> also made a couple of great saves to keep us in it. When you couple that
> with great distribution it was definitely a man of the match performance
> for me. Another learning game for Bielsa against a team who won't get
> beaten much this season.Scores:Peacock - 9. He convinced me last night he
> is the future for us in goals. Ayling - 5. I thought he really struggled
> last night defensively and coming forward
>   where he never looked convincing. Beradi - 7. I thought he was immense
> first half in the way he man marked Assombolonga on their left first half.
> Not sure how bad his injury is but it would take a bad one to prevent him
> from continuing although he did try. Stuggled in the air but that's not
> surprising. Cooper - 6. Same old Cooper. 90% decent and 10% reckless.
> Neither him or Beradi won much in the air but Cooper's tackling or should I
> say fouling nearly cost us in terms of the free kicks they got and also I
> think they had claims for a pen.Douglas - 6. Did ok but totally ineffective
> going forward which was probably more down to

Re: [LU] Boro

[{broken-address}]

I was disappointed at the way we so frequently opted for the long ball option 
out of defence. Not only did that seem to me very un-Bielsa like, but it made 
no sense against a team with such a height advantage (was I imagining it, or 
was half of their team taller than our tallest outfield player?). 


That being said, a draw suited us better - they needed to win to overtake us at 
the top. We kept a clean sheet against a side of bullies and retained our 
unbeaten record. That's good enough for me.


Cheers!


Sean



-Original Message-
From: {broken-address} Richard Walker 

To: Leeds List 
Sent: Sat, Sep 1, 2018 3:15 am
Subject: [LU] Boro

Lots of comments on the bus back into town after the game the Pulis is 
'anti-football' and he is 'destroying the game' with his turgid style which 
sets his teams up not to lose first and foremost with the hope they can nick a 
goal from a long throwing, corner or a set piece. Boro also blatantly time 
wasted from the off which is horrible to watch but you have to say that I never 
thought we would win this game. It's a shame that Boro play like this because 
they do have good players in the team (Clayton, Howson, Downing) and we saw 
glimpses of them in the first half, especially when Howson danced around KIich, 
left him for dead and made Peacock make a good save. Can we buy him back 
please? I've always been a big fan.As soon as the teams came out I said they 
looked like a big team whereas we had no height. Bielsa dropped Jansson to 
bring back Cooper and so we lost our best defender from set pieces (and long 
throws). Also we played Roofe, on his own up front, against some 6ft plus 
horribl
 e, cheating, ugly bastards (Ayala). He was never going to get a sniff and when 
you consider we lost Hernandes and Saiz was having another off day it was 
always going to be tough for us. I don't think their keeper had to make a 
decent save all night. Having said that we battled hard and deserved a point 
but I think it was more down to poor Boro play than anything. I don't think we 
won many headers in our box and they had chance after chance from free headers 
in the first half that they either sailed over or on one occassion from another 
long throw Peacock excellently saved. We tried to play the way we have done so 
far and at times we did manage to create space and openings it's just there was 
no end product or Boro just snuffed the attack out. When we did get space, it 
usually fell to Allioski who more than often was off-side. He really is a 
brainless footballer at times. Look along the line you numbskull. I was 
watching him making his runs in the first half and he was always at leas
 t a yard off side. Frustrating. So lots of possession but very little end 
product. Is Saiz injured ? because he doesn't look the same player as he did 
for the opening games. He didn't have the pace or the acceleration to get the 
ball and go on those runs where he always seems to be a yard ahead of the 
opposition. He seems to be stuggling and doesn't have the legs to do what he 
wants to do, leaving him totally ineffective as he was last night. Worrying. 
The highlight for me though was our keeper's perfromance last night. Against 
the Boro bombardment he commanded his area brilliantly and also made a couple 
of great saves to keep us in it. When you couple that with great distribution 
it was definitely a man of the match performance for me. Another learning game 
for Bielsa against a team who won't get beaten much this season.Scores:Peacock 
- 9. He convinced me last night he is the future for us in goals. Ayling - 5. I 
thought he really struggled last night defensively and coming forward
  where he never looked convincing. Beradi - 7. I thought he was immense first 
half in the way he man marked Assombolonga on their left first half. Not sure 
how bad his injury is but it would take a bad one to prevent him from 
continuing although he did try. Stuggled in the air but that's not surprising. 
Cooper - 6. Same old Cooper. 90% decent and 10% reckless. Neither him or Beradi 
won much in the air but Cooper's tackling or should I say fouling nearly cost 
us in terms of the free kicks they got and also I think they had claims for a 
pen.Douglas - 6. Did ok but totally ineffective going forward which was 
probably more down to Boro. Yet to see why he is given all free-kicks. Siaz - 
5. Saw a lot of the ball and tried first half to make things happen but truth 
is that the Boro midfield were just too lively for him. He hasn't got the legs. 
Klich - 5. On the ball, he played some nice stuff but again off the ball I 
think he struggled. Allioski - 2. Brain dead. Also don't like his constan
 t whinging, play acting, fouling  I thought Bielsa might change this but 
he hasn't. I'd get rid today. Harrison - 7. I thought he had a quiet first half 
however he came alive second and I thought he looked our most dangerous player. 
He also worked hard in defence but was obviously out

Re: [LU] Boro

[nat...@sky.com]

Agree with both of you to some extent, more on Nicks  side as regards my 
enjoyment and level of happinessI sent two texts to my wife which sum it up for 
me - at half time "0 0 more intriguing than exciting but so far so good. Settle 
now for 0 0 at the end"and then from the bus at the end - "ended 0 0 so content 
rather than happy.No chances either way - teams cancelled each other out but 
another hurdle crossed"
If I was the supposed 'neutral' watching this on TV I would have switched off 
at half time and gone and watched the grass grow BUT I was there live and the 
atmosphere generated by a full house and the tension in the game made it well 
worth watching and time seemed to fly by.
As Rich says it was like playing in the land of the giants, they really are a 
big team and whether it is 'anti football' or not they were physical niggly and 
time wasting throughout. They are also up there with the best this Division has 
to offer and I reckon if you finish above them you will be promoted (or at 
least 100% guarenteed play off place) 

We are still very much a work in progress and still learning how to play 
against certain opposition. Whilst it is true we did not create a single clear 
cut chance and never worked the keeper they only hand a couple which BPF did 
well to save, and whilst I agree that he was MoM (or person of the match for 
the cricket lovers!!) that was more to do with his catching crosses and general 
play rather than making spectacular saves.
I was a bit surprised at the lack of subs especially given how quickly he made 
all 3 v Swansea but when discussing it with my mate during the match his theory 
was that it was so evenly matched that any substitution was almost an admission 
of failure - a sort of who blinks first type of thing. Whatever the truth of it 
I would have liked to see Bamford on with time to do something - Roofe was 
working his socks off but suffered from a total lack of good service and an 
inability to make things happen himself. Maybe I fall for the ex player always 
scores agianst his old team cliche but I did think Bamford could have given us 
the goal we craved
Like everyone I was worried, as I have been many games, that we would be 
vulnerable at corners and long throws / free kicks but once again we stood up 
to the battering (thanks in no small part to BPF) - in fact apart from Swansea 
when both Cooper and Pontus were missing, we have not conceded a goal from open 
play or a corner or long throw in 5 of the 6 games (one pen and one direct free 
kick) and only conceded 4 goals in 6 a great defensive record for a team that 
is all about attacking.
So a bit of a break and time to get Forshaw and Brown fit, and more importantly 
time for Bielsa to get stuck into the team (only a few will be off on 
international duty) and continue to get his ideas across. IT also means we will 
top of the league for a few more weeks minimum before we face another of the 
hurdles -Millwall a team that are fairly rubbish week in week out in front of a 
handful of fans but turn into world beaters in front of a full house when it is 
us in town
So  it was a result I would have taken at the start of the game and another 
challenge faced and just about passed 

Dave


  From: Nick 
 To: Leeds List  
 Sent: Saturday, 1 September 2018, 9:03
 Subject: Re: [LU] Boro
   
Pretty much agree with that. Don’t know about ‘anti-football’ - there’s no rule 
that dictates how you have play the game (as long as you stay within the rules 
of the game of course) - but I do know that I’d rather face the prospect of a 
season spent playing how we have for the last month than how it looks like Boro 
will play. They were large, physical and are going to bully most opposition out 
of any games. To some extent they nullified our attacking down the wings and we 
did play to their strength by knocking it high into Roofe sometimes…if ever a 
game was begging for us to get down the wings and fire the crosses in low and 
fast behind a turning defence, this was the one...on the other hand the ‘only 
thing’…and I know it is a big one…but the only thing missing from last night 
for us was a goal. We got tested under their dead ball / long throw game and 
didn’t buckle…this resilience has been a worry in recent weeks. 

Allioski is tricky - he does tons of work for the team, tracking up and down 
the wing, covering his full back, and can be pretty good in the box (even 
headers) but he can be clueless as well, some of those offsides were 
unnecessary and stopped us pressing forward, putting them under pressure and 
relieving the defence.

Breradi had an immense first half - agree that our Keeper was our MOTM.

It was a disappointment I suppose, but it wasn’t a dull 0-0 draw. It was always 
tense and there was a lot of incident. It may say more about me, but I kind of 
enjoyed the game. And I’d have taken 14 points, unbeaten and top of the league 
after 6 games, if you’d have offer

Re: [LU] Boro

[Nick]

Pretty much agree with that. Don’t know about ‘anti-football’ - there’s no rule 
that dictates how you have play the game (as long as you stay within the rules 
of the game of course) - but I do know that I’d rather face the prospect of a 
season spent playing how we have for the last month than how it looks like Boro 
will play. They were large, physical and are going to bully most opposition out 
of any games. To some extent they nullified our attacking down the wings and we 
did play to their strength by knocking it high into Roofe sometimes…if ever a 
game was begging for us to get down the wings and fire the crosses in low and 
fast behind a turning defence, this was the one...on the other hand the ‘only 
thing’…and I know it is a big one…but the only thing missing from last night 
for us was a goal. We got tested under their dead ball / long throw game and 
didn’t buckle…this resilience has been a worry in recent weeks. 

Allioski is tricky - he does tons of work for the team, tracking up and down 
the wing, covering his full back, and can be pretty good in the box (even 
headers) but he can be clueless as well, some of those offsides were 
unnecessary and stopped us pressing forward, putting them under pressure and 
relieving the defence.

Breradi had an immense first half - agree that our Keeper was our MOTM.

It was a disappointment I suppose, but it wasn’t a dull 0-0 draw. It was always 
tense and there was a lot of incident. It may say more about me, but I kind of 
enjoyed the game. And I’d have taken 14 points, unbeaten and top of the league 
after 6 games, if you’d have offered that at the start of the season (including 
being out of the League Cup).


> On 1 Sep 2018, at 08:14, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
>  wrote:
> 
> Lots of comments on the bus back into town after the game the Pulis is 
> 'anti-football' and he is 'destroying the game' with his turgid style which 
> sets his teams up not to lose first and foremost with the hope they can nick 
> a goal from a long throwing, corner or a set piece. Boro also blatantly time 
> wasted from the off which is horrible to watch but you have to say that I 
> never thought we would win this game. It's a shame that Boro play like this 
> because they do have good players in the team (Clayton, Howson, Downing) and 
> we saw glimpses of them in the first half, especially when Howson danced 
> around KIich, left him for dead and made Peacock make a good save. Can we buy 
> him back please? I've always been a big fan.
> As soon as the teams came out I said they looked like a big team whereas we 
> had no height. Bielsa dropped Jansson to bring back Cooper and so we lost our 
> best defender from set pieces (and long throws). Also we played Roofe, on his 
> own up front, against some 6ft plus horrible, cheating, ugly bastards 
> (Ayala). He was never going to get a sniff and when you consider we lost 
> Hernandes and Saiz was having another off day it was always going to be tough 
> for us. I don't think their keeper had to make a decent save all night. 
> Having said that we battled hard and deserved a point but I think it was more 
> down to poor Boro play than anything. I don't think we won many headers in 
> our box and they had chance after chance from free headers in the first half 
> that they either sailed over or on one occassion from another long throw 
> Peacock excellently saved. 
> We tried to play the way we have done so far and at times we did manage to 
> create space and openings it's just there was no end product or Boro just 
> snuffed the attack out. When we did get space, it usually fell to Allioski 
> who more than often was off-side. He really is a brainless footballer at 
> times. Look along the line you numbskull. I was watching him making his runs 
> in the first half and he was always at least a yard off side. Frustrating. So 
> lots of possession but very little end product. 
> Is Saiz injured ? because he doesn't look the same player as he did for the 
> opening games. He didn't have the pace or the acceleration to get the ball 
> and go on those runs where he always seems to be a yard ahead of the 
> opposition. He seems to be stuggling and doesn't have the legs to do what he 
> wants to do, leaving him totally ineffective as he was last night. Worrying. 
> The highlight for me though was our keeper's perfromance last night. Against 
> the Boro bombardment he commanded his area brilliantly and also made a couple 
> of great saves to keep us in it. When you couple that with great distribution 
> it was definitely a man of the match performance for me. 
> Another learning game for Bielsa against a team who won't get beaten much 
> this season.
> Scores:
> Peacock - 9. He convinced me last night he is the future for us in goals. 
> Ayling - 5. I thought he really struggled last night defensively and coming 
> forward where he never looked convincing. 
> Beradi - 7. I thought he was immense first half in the way he man 

Re: [LU] Boro

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

Missed Philips. 
I'd give him 6.5 - worked hard and put in a typical Philips performance. Some 
decent distribution, some poor distribution. Some great tackling and some poor 
tackling / fouling. 

   On Saturday, 1 September 2018, 08:15:33 BST, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
 wrote:  
 
 
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[LU] Boro

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

Lots of comments on the bus back into town after the game the Pulis is 
'anti-football' and he is 'destroying the game' with his turgid style which 
sets his teams up not to lose first and foremost with the hope they can nick a 
goal from a long throwing, corner or a set piece. Boro also blatantly time 
wasted from the off which is horrible to watch but you have to say that I never 
thought we would win this game. It's a shame that Boro play like this because 
they do have good players in the team (Clayton, Howson, Downing) and we saw 
glimpses of them in the first half, especially when Howson danced around KIich, 
left him for dead and made Peacock make a good save. Can we buy him back 
please? I've always been a big fan.
As soon as the teams came out I said they looked like a big team whereas we had 
no height. Bielsa dropped Jansson to bring back Cooper and so we lost our best 
defender from set pieces (and long throws). Also we played Roofe, on his own up 
front, against some 6ft plus horrible, cheating, ugly bastards (Ayala). He was 
never going to get a sniff and when you consider we lost Hernandes and Saiz was 
having another off day it was always going to be tough for us. I don't think 
their keeper had to make a decent save all night. 
Having said that we battled hard and deserved a point but I think it was more 
down to poor Boro play than anything. I don't think we won many headers in our 
box and they had chance after chance from free headers in the first half that 
they either sailed over or on one occassion from another long throw Peacock 
excellently saved. 
We tried to play the way we have done so far and at times we did manage to 
create space and openings it's just there was no end product or Boro just 
snuffed the attack out. When we did get space, it usually fell to Allioski who 
more than often was off-side. He really is a brainless footballer at times. 
Look along the line you numbskull. I was watching him making his runs in the 
first half and he was always at least a yard off side. Frustrating. So lots of 
possession but very little end product. 
Is Saiz injured ? because he doesn't look the same player as he did for the 
opening games. He didn't have the pace or the acceleration to get the ball and 
go on those runs where he always seems to be a yard ahead of the opposition. He 
seems to be stuggling and doesn't have the legs to do what he wants to do, 
leaving him totally ineffective as he was last night. Worrying. 
The highlight for me though was our keeper's perfromance last night. Against 
the Boro bombardment he commanded his area brilliantly and also made a couple 
of great saves to keep us in it. When you couple that with great distribution 
it was definitely a man of the match performance for me. 
Another learning game for Bielsa against a team who won't get beaten much this 
season.
Scores:
Peacock - 9. He convinced me last night he is the future for us in goals. 
Ayling - 5. I thought he really struggled last night defensively and coming 
forward where he never looked convincing. 
Beradi - 7. I thought he was immense first half in the way he man marked 
Assombolonga on their left first half. Not sure how bad his injury is but it 
would take a bad one to prevent him from continuing although he did try. 
Stuggled in the air but that's not surprising. 
Cooper - 6. Same old Cooper. 90% decent and 10% reckless. Neither him or Beradi 
won much in the air but Cooper's tackling or should I say fouling nearly cost 
us in terms of the free kicks they got and also I think they had claims for a 
pen.
Douglas - 6. Did ok but totally ineffective going forward which was probably 
more down to Boro. Yet to see why he is given all free-kicks. 
Siaz - 5. Saw a lot of the ball and tried first half to make things happen but 
truth is that the Boro midfield were just too lively for him. He hasn't got the 
legs. 
Klich - 5. On the ball, he played some nice stuff but again off the ball I 
think he struggled. 
Allioski - 2. Brain dead. Also don't like his constant whinging, play acting, 
fouling  I thought Bielsa might change this but he hasn't. I'd get rid 
today. 
Harrison - 7. I thought he had a quiet first half however he came alive second 
and I thought he looked our most dangerous player. He also worked hard in 
defence but was obviously out on his feet later on. I think he will get better 
and I'd like to see him play in Allioski's role.
Roofe - 6. He's clearly a better and fitter player than last season. He is also 
stronger and is winning 50:50s that he would never have done last season. His 
effort and work rate is high and he's busy all the time. Having said that, as a 
striker I thought he was totally ineffective in the lone role last night. This 
is mainly down to Boro not allowing our full backs to play as extra wingers 
which meant he had no service. For me I would have started with Bamford tonight 
but at very least put Bamford on for the last 30 minutes. Why put him on with 

Re: [LU] Boro

[Michael Benjamin]

I think that yesterday was a watershed day. Signing Izzy Brown to cover for 
Saiz and Hernandez was long term smart.
We played a team built for promotion the orthodox way and were not humbled, 
shattered or bullied. And Bielsa has another lesson for his pupils

Most of the teams in this league we can play of the pitch. We have to win half 
our games and draw half of the remains to get 80 points -- automatic promotion. 
We have shown even now that we can do that.

More importantly, Bielsa is a constant learning curve. It is not Pullis nor is 
it Warnock - thank God. Since Bielsa is here I see soccer differently. And I 
have watched for 70 years. I can see what a revolution this guy is making to 
football as even more than chess and sport . It is more like watching exercises 
in physics and dynamics in multi dimensions. I could see what Mourinhio and 
Guardiola were doing. But this is a dimension above-- it is more than moving 
parts and skills. It is a forever changing composite with one macro aim. To 
score goals. If you score they won't. It is not 'stop them and sneak one,' nor 
is it overrun the opponent. The opponent is only there as an obstacle to our 
goal.

Probably sounds arty farty, but Bielsa is both a revelation and revolution. The 
club's set up and infrastructure are orthodox, modern and efficient .  All the 
credit to Rad for that but they are the right back drop for a gem the like of 
which we have never seen and nor will we see the likes of him again.

Yes, the revolution is here and after it the inevitable evolution which has 
neither boundaries nor limits.


Dr Michael Benjamin,
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From: David Smail 
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 9:05:55 PM
To: Michael Benjamin
Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Boro


Yes, a defeat for me too. How will our revered leader cope and react?



Dave













Going for a defeat that will give MB the impetus to get us over the challenge

of playing rough house yokels next time. We are going up as champions.


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Re: [LU] Boro

[David Smail]

Yes, a defeat for me too. How will our revered leader cope and react?

 

Dave 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Going for a defeat that will give MB the impetus to get us over the
challenge 

of playing rough house yokels next time. We are going up as champions.

 

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Re: [LU] Boro

[Michael Benjamin]

Going for a defeat that will give MB the impetus to get us over the challenge 
of playing rough house yokels next time. We are going up as champions.


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From: Leedslist  on behalf of Richard Naef 

Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 2:33:42 PM
To: nat...@sky.com; Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] Boro

Stop it Dave, you're making me even more nervous, I'm off for a 20 mile cycle 
ride to wear off my nervous energy..  Hope they have the match on in a

2 things, 1. I bet the Boro fans are even more nervous, 2. Howson has looked 
very good for them in last few games, hope he remembers where his loyalties 
really lie.

ttfn

Richard

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of nat...@sky.com
Sent: 31 August 2018 12:27
To: Leeds List 
Subject: [LU] Boro

Really starting to buzz about tonight - will be an early one for me and I will 
be in Leeds at 4.45 if trains run Ok Not sure how confident I feel at present - 
all over the place (to quote my wife I am suffering with PMT -pre match tension 
-after the game my PMT is 'post match trauma') One minute I think we will win, 
the next get badly beaten Realistically no result will determine our season and 
in some ways looking at tonight and Millwall as a pair - I think 2 points would 
be Ok - still unbeaten and with 15 pts from 7 mainly hard games with some, on 
paper, easier games coming up4 points would give us promotion form - "win at 
home , draw away" has always been the mantra - 2 pts a game (92 for the season 
pretty much guarentees promotion)
6 points would be unbelievable and would dial the optimism and belief around ER 
up to 11.
So desperately hoping for a win but would settle for a draw Dave 
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Re: [LU] Boro

[Richard Naef]

Stop it Dave, you're making me even more nervous, I'm off for a 20 mile cycle 
ride to wear off my nervous energy..  Hope they have the match on in a

2 things, 1. I bet the Boro fans are even more nervous, 2. Howson has looked 
very good for them in last few games, hope he remembers where his loyalties 
really lie.

ttfn

Richard

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of nat...@sky.com
Sent: 31 August 2018 12:27
To: Leeds List 
Subject: [LU] Boro

Really starting to buzz about tonight - will be an early one for me and I will 
be in Leeds at 4.45 if trains run Ok Not sure how confident I feel at present - 
all over the place (to quote my wife I am suffering with PMT -pre match tension 
-after the game my PMT is 'post match trauma') One minute I think we will win, 
the next get badly beaten Realistically no result will determine our season and 
in some ways looking at tonight and Millwall as a pair - I think 2 points would 
be Ok - still unbeaten and with 15 pts from 7 mainly hard games with some, on 
paper, easier games coming up4 points would give us promotion form - "win at 
home , draw away" has always been the mantra - 2 pts a game (92 for the season 
pretty much guarentees promotion)
6 points would be unbelievable and would dial the optimism and belief around ER 
up to 11.
So desperately hoping for a win but would settle for a draw Dave 
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[nat...@sky.com]

Really starting to buzz about tonight - will be an early one for me and I will 
be in Leeds at 4.45 if trains run Ok
Not sure how confident I feel at present - all over the place (to quote my wife 
I am suffering with PMT -pre match tension -after the game my PMT is 'post 
match trauma')
One minute I think we will win, the next get badly beaten
Realistically no result will determine our season and in some ways looking at 
tonight and Millwall as a pair - I think 2 points would be Ok - still unbeaten 
and with 15 pts from 7 mainly hard games with some, on paper, easier games 
coming up4 points would give us promotion form - "win at home , draw away" has 
always been the mantra - 2 pts a game (92 for the season pretty much guarentees 
promotion)
6 points would be unbelievable and would dial the optimism and belief around ER 
up to 11.
So desperately hoping for a win but would settle for a draw
Dave
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Re: [LU] Boro

[Damian Walsh]

I think that a combination of the way the club and its debts are structured
along with the way football works these days means that we can only look
forward to a Bates or a Cellino as owner. Out of the 2 I know which one I
prefer :)

Damian

On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 7:09 PM, Richard Walker <richleed...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

> Let's see if all these Interested parties come forward after the fans
> hound Cellino out.
>
> I'm sure all those Yorkshire billionaires will come forward with their
> money and I'm sure Red Bull will come in with another bid.
>
> Me losing interest is nothing to do with the owner. The football was
> equally bad if not worse under Bates (think back to Rochdale and Histon).
>
> The difference with the current owner to Krasner,  Bates. Haigh, Patel and
> all the other cunts is he is backing the club with his own money. That'll
> do for me in the current climate.
>
>
>
>
> > On 16 Feb 2016, at 17:42, Simon McNally <simon_mcna...@sky.com> wrote:
> >
> > It's an argument put forward a lot that he "saved" us - as it was when
> bates was in charge.
> > However, there were other interested parties - perhaps they bothered to
> do due diligence and realised the debt situation and made gfh a more
> realistic offer instead of miring us in debt like Cellino has.
> > Even if he did save us I don't think it gives him the right to do what
> he's done or excuse him from scrutiny for it. I've got a season ticket so
> the match day pricing doesn't affect me and neither does the pie tax
> because I don't sit in the south stand but it's wrong and I think we have
> to make a stand before it's too late.
> > You've admitted before that you've lost interest in going to games.
> Who's fault is that ? Who's responsible ultimately for the performance of
> the team? We'll get promoted by 2016 Cellino said, you can call me a
> failure if we don't. Well, we look further away than ever so yes , massimo,
> you're a failure!
> >
> > Simon
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On 16 Feb 2016, at 16:44, Richard Walker <richleed...@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Yep all good stuff. I can live with dodgy calendars, pie tax , getting
> rid of Redders and the Hock and the fact he's got a criminal record but if
> it weren't for Cellino would there be a Leeds Utd ?
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Simon McNally <simon_mcna...@sky.com>
> >> To: "nat...@sky.com" <nat...@sky.com>
> >> Cc: Leeds List <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, 16 February 2016, 12:57
> >> Subject: Re: [LU] Boro
> >>
> >> Not going to add too much to the other match reports as I'm sure most
> of you watched it on the telly.
> >> Having suffered some miserable displays recently this was a much better
> performance. The formation change worked and we look so much better with 2
> up , although antenucci was poor - he's already given up for the season if
> you ask me.
> >> Our main problem is when we have to break down teams that sit deep so
> playing against a boro team that wanted to attack helped us - there's no
> need to create extra space, they leave it as they attack.
> >>
> >> I thought the protest was excellent. Hearing on sky this morning that
> the club tried to stop it - nothing like removing people's freedom of
> speech.
> >> For those asking why Cellino, a few points :
> >> We have our lowest points total at this point of the season since we
> returned to the championship.
> >> More cat a games than ever before, including game against Bolton - 16th
> v 24th.
> >> The pie tax - a cynical petulant attack on the south standers for
> chanting time to go.
> >> A manager sacked on average every 10 games.
> >> The sick six.
> >> Hockaday.
> >> Sacks redfearn's partner from her job at the academy and then claims
> not to know who she is (Lucy Ward, ex England international).
> >> Reduces away allocation for Leeds fans then backtracks.
> >> Convicted fraudster and banned.
> >> No shirt sponsor because of legal disputes - how much has that cost us?
> >> Reportedly being sued for £5m by macron for breaking kit deal.
> >> According to Phil hey from yep (who's seen legal docs relating to his
> tv deal challenge) Cellino refused offer from sky to make boro game sat
> lunchtime kick off as far back as December. Lied to fans about it blaming
> sky - if I was one of those Norwegian fans that missed out on game I'd be
> looking for compensation.
> >> Said he'd sell to fans and then changed his mind.
> >> Segregation in the south stand

Re: [LU] Boro

[Simon McNally]

It's what gfh were allegedly doing (and bates before them). You loan money to 
the club, charge them interest on it and position yourself as a major creditor 
in the even of a buyout or administration.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 16 Feb 2016, at 18:22, Richard Walker <richleed...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Yes I heard the Evans interview - he sounded like a desperate man.
> 
> I do think Evans reads the game well and can spot a player. 
> 
> In terms of loaning money to the club - I don't get that - he owns the 
> fucking club so how does that work ?
> 
>> On 16 Feb 2016, at 18:15, Simon McNally <simon_mcna...@sky.com> wrote:
>> 
>> How do you know he's putting his own money in? Is he not just "loaning" it 
>> to the club, thus building up more debt?
>> I think we deserve better than constant sackings and an inevitable 16th 
>> place finish - to be fair it'd be piss funny if we were 17th!
>> Evans was on radio after game talking big - apparently he's expecting big 
>> investment in the summer. He reckons he will only need one transfer window 
>> to build a promotion winning team. Personally I think he's full of shit and 
>> will be out the door when our Coke snorting friend gets fed up of him 
>> kissing his arse.
>> 
>> Simon 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 16 Feb 2016, at 18:09, Richard Walker <richleed...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Let's see if all these Interested parties come forward after the fans hound 
>>> Cellino out.
>>> 
>>> I'm sure all those Yorkshire billionaires will come forward with their 
>>> money and I'm sure Red Bull will come in with another bid.
>>> 
>>> Me losing interest is nothing to do with the owner. The football was 
>>> equally bad if not worse under Bates (think back to Rochdale and Histon). 
>>> 
>>> The difference with the current owner to Krasner,  Bates. Haigh, Patel and 
>>> all the other cunts is he is backing the club with his own money. That'll 
>>> do for me in the current climate.
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 16 Feb 2016, at 17:42, Simon McNally <simon_mcna...@sky.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> It's an argument put forward a lot that he "saved" us - as it was when 
>>>> bates was in charge.
>>>> However, there were other interested parties - perhaps they bothered to do 
>>>> due diligence and realised the debt situation and made gfh a more 
>>>> realistic offer instead of miring us in debt like Cellino has.
>>>> Even if he did save us I don't think it gives him the right to do what 
>>>> he's done or excuse him from scrutiny for it. I've got a season ticket so 
>>>> the match day pricing doesn't affect me and neither does the pie tax 
>>>> because I don't sit in the south stand but it's wrong and I think we have 
>>>> to make a stand before it's too late.
>>>> You've admitted before that you've lost interest in going to games. Who's 
>>>> fault is that ? Who's responsible ultimately for the performance of the 
>>>> team? We'll get promoted by 2016 Cellino said, you can call me a failure 
>>>> if we don't. Well, we look further away than ever so yes , massimo, you're 
>>>> a failure!
>>>> 
>>>> Simon 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On 16 Feb 2016, at 16:44, Richard Walker <richleed...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yep all good stuff. I can live with dodgy calendars, pie tax , getting 
>>>>> rid of Redders and the Hock and the fact he's got a criminal record but 
>>>>> if it weren't for Cellino would there be a Leeds Utd ? 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: Simon McNally <simon_mcna...@sky.com>
>>>>> To: "nat...@sky.com" <nat...@sky.com> 
>>>>> Cc: Leeds List <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 16 February 2016, 12:57
>>>>> Subject: Re: [LU] Boro
>>>>> 
>>>>> Not going to add too much to the other match reports as I'm sure most of 
>>>>> you watched it on the telly.
>>>>> Having suffered some miserable displays recently this was a much better 
>>>>> performance. The formation change worked and we look so much better with 
>>>>> 2 up , although antenucci was poor - he's already given up for the season 
>>>>> if you ask me.
>>>>> Our main problem 

Re: [LU] Boro

[Richard Walker]

Yes I heard the Evans interview - he sounded like a desperate man.

I do think Evans reads the game well and can spot a player. 

In terms of loaning money to the club - I don't get that - he owns the fucking 
club so how does that work ?

> On 16 Feb 2016, at 18:15, Simon McNally <simon_mcna...@sky.com> wrote:
> 
> How do you know he's putting his own money in? Is he not just "loaning" it to 
> the club, thus building up more debt?
> I think we deserve better than constant sackings and an inevitable 16th place 
> finish - to be fair it'd be piss funny if we were 17th!
> Evans was on radio after game talking big - apparently he's expecting big 
> investment in the summer. He reckons he will only need one transfer window to 
> build a promotion winning team. Personally I think he's full of shit and will 
> be out the door when our Coke snorting friend gets fed up of him kissing his 
> arse.
> 
> Simon 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 16 Feb 2016, at 18:09, Richard Walker <richleed...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Let's see if all these Interested parties come forward after the fans hound 
>> Cellino out.
>> 
>> I'm sure all those Yorkshire billionaires will come forward with their money 
>> and I'm sure Red Bull will come in with another bid.
>> 
>> Me losing interest is nothing to do with the owner. The football was equally 
>> bad if not worse under Bates (think back to Rochdale and Histon). 
>> 
>> The difference with the current owner to Krasner,  Bates. Haigh, Patel and 
>> all the other cunts is he is backing the club with his own money. That'll do 
>> for me in the current climate.
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 16 Feb 2016, at 17:42, Simon McNally <simon_mcna...@sky.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It's an argument put forward a lot that he "saved" us - as it was when 
>>> bates was in charge.
>>> However, there were other interested parties - perhaps they bothered to do 
>>> due diligence and realised the debt situation and made gfh a more realistic 
>>> offer instead of miring us in debt like Cellino has.
>>> Even if he did save us I don't think it gives him the right to do what he's 
>>> done or excuse him from scrutiny for it. I've got a season ticket so the 
>>> match day pricing doesn't affect me and neither does the pie tax because I 
>>> don't sit in the south stand but it's wrong and I think we have to make a 
>>> stand before it's too late.
>>> You've admitted before that you've lost interest in going to games. Who's 
>>> fault is that ? Who's responsible ultimately for the performance of the 
>>> team? We'll get promoted by 2016 Cellino said, you can call me a failure if 
>>> we don't. Well, we look further away than ever so yes , massimo, you're a 
>>> failure!
>>> 
>>> Simon 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On 16 Feb 2016, at 16:44, Richard Walker <richleed...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Yep all good stuff. I can live with dodgy calendars, pie tax , getting rid 
>>>> of Redders and the Hock and the fact he's got a criminal record but if it 
>>>> weren't for Cellino would there be a Leeds Utd ? 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From: Simon McNally <simon_mcna...@sky.com>
>>>> To: "nat...@sky.com" <nat...@sky.com> 
>>>> Cc: Leeds List <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 16 February 2016, 12:57
>>>> Subject: Re: [LU] Boro
>>>> 
>>>> Not going to add too much to the other match reports as I'm sure most of 
>>>> you watched it on the telly.
>>>> Having suffered some miserable displays recently this was a much better 
>>>> performance. The formation change worked and we look so much better with 2 
>>>> up , although antenucci was poor - he's already given up for the season if 
>>>> you ask me.
>>>> Our main problem is when we have to break down teams that sit deep so 
>>>> playing against a boro team that wanted to attack helped us - there's no 
>>>> need to create extra space, they leave it as they attack.
>>>> 
>>>> I thought the protest was excellent. Hearing on sky this morning that the 
>>>> club tried to stop it - nothing like removing people's freedom of speech.
>>>> For those asking why Cellino, a few points :
>>>> We have our lowest points total at this point of the season since we 
>>>> returned to the championship.
>>>> More cat a games

Re: [LU] Boro

[Simon McNally]

How do you know he's putting his own money in? Is he not just "loaning" it to 
the club, thus building up more debt?
I think we deserve better than constant sackings and an inevitable 16th place 
finish - to be fair it'd be piss funny if we were 17th!
Evans was on radio after game talking big - apparently he's expecting big 
investment in the summer. He reckons he will only need one transfer window to 
build a promotion winning team. Personally I think he's full of shit and will 
be out the door when our Coke snorting friend gets fed up of him kissing his 
arse.

Simon 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 16 Feb 2016, at 18:09, Richard Walker <richleed...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Let's see if all these Interested parties come forward after the fans hound 
> Cellino out.
> 
> I'm sure all those Yorkshire billionaires will come forward with their money 
> and I'm sure Red Bull will come in with another bid.
> 
> Me losing interest is nothing to do with the owner. The football was equally 
> bad if not worse under Bates (think back to Rochdale and Histon). 
> 
> The difference with the current owner to Krasner,  Bates. Haigh, Patel and 
> all the other cunts is he is backing the club with his own money. That'll do 
> for me in the current climate.
>  
> 
> 
> 
>> On 16 Feb 2016, at 17:42, Simon McNally <simon_mcna...@sky.com> wrote:
>> 
>> It's an argument put forward a lot that he "saved" us - as it was when bates 
>> was in charge.
>> However, there were other interested parties - perhaps they bothered to do 
>> due diligence and realised the debt situation and made gfh a more realistic 
>> offer instead of miring us in debt like Cellino has.
>> Even if he did save us I don't think it gives him the right to do what he's 
>> done or excuse him from scrutiny for it. I've got a season ticket so the 
>> match day pricing doesn't affect me and neither does the pie tax because I 
>> don't sit in the south stand but it's wrong and I think we have to make a 
>> stand before it's too late.
>> You've admitted before that you've lost interest in going to games. Who's 
>> fault is that ? Who's responsible ultimately for the performance of the 
>> team? We'll get promoted by 2016 Cellino said, you can call me a failure if 
>> we don't. Well, we look further away than ever so yes , massimo, you're a 
>> failure!
>> 
>> Simon 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 16 Feb 2016, at 16:44, Richard Walker <richleed...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yep all good stuff. I can live with dodgy calendars, pie tax , getting rid 
>>> of Redders and the Hock and the fact he's got a criminal record but if it 
>>> weren't for Cellino would there be a Leeds Utd ? 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: Simon McNally <simon_mcna...@sky.com>
>>> To: "nat...@sky.com" <nat...@sky.com> 
>>> Cc: Leeds List <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 16 February 2016, 12:57
>>> Subject: Re: [LU] Boro
>>> 
>>> Not going to add too much to the other match reports as I'm sure most of 
>>> you watched it on the telly.
>>> Having suffered some miserable displays recently this was a much better 
>>> performance. The formation change worked and we look so much better with 2 
>>> up , although antenucci was poor - he's already given up for the season if 
>>> you ask me.
>>> Our main problem is when we have to break down teams that sit deep so 
>>> playing against a boro team that wanted to attack helped us - there's no 
>>> need to create extra space, they leave it as they attack.
>>> 
>>> I thought the protest was excellent. Hearing on sky this morning that the 
>>> club tried to stop it - nothing like removing people's freedom of speech.
>>> For those asking why Cellino, a few points :
>>> We have our lowest points total at this point of the season since we 
>>> returned to the championship.
>>> More cat a games than ever before, including game against Bolton - 16th v 
>>> 24th.
>>> The pie tax - a cynical petulant attack on the south standers for chanting 
>>> time to go.
>>> A manager sacked on average every 10 games.
>>> The sick six.
>>> Hockaday.
>>> Sacks redfearn's partner from her job at the academy and then claims not to 
>>> know who she is (Lucy Ward, ex England international).
>>> Reduces away allocation for Leeds fans then backtracks.
>>> Convicted fraudster and banned.
>>> No shirt sponsor because of legal disputes - how much has that cost us?
>>> Reporte

Re: [LU] Boro

[Richard Walker]

Let's see if all these Interested parties come forward after the fans hound 
Cellino out.

I'm sure all those Yorkshire billionaires will come forward with their money 
and I'm sure Red Bull will come in with another bid.

Me losing interest is nothing to do with the owner. The football was equally 
bad if not worse under Bates (think back to Rochdale and Histon). 

The difference with the current owner to Krasner,  Bates. Haigh, Patel and all 
the other cunts is he is backing the club with his own money. That'll do for me 
in the current climate.
 



> On 16 Feb 2016, at 17:42, Simon McNally <simon_mcna...@sky.com> wrote:
> 
> It's an argument put forward a lot that he "saved" us - as it was when bates 
> was in charge.
> However, there were other interested parties - perhaps they bothered to do 
> due diligence and realised the debt situation and made gfh a more realistic 
> offer instead of miring us in debt like Cellino has.
> Even if he did save us I don't think it gives him the right to do what he's 
> done or excuse him from scrutiny for it. I've got a season ticket so the 
> match day pricing doesn't affect me and neither does the pie tax because I 
> don't sit in the south stand but it's wrong and I think we have to make a 
> stand before it's too late.
> You've admitted before that you've lost interest in going to games. Who's 
> fault is that ? Who's responsible ultimately for the performance of the team? 
> We'll get promoted by 2016 Cellino said, you can call me a failure if we 
> don't. Well, we look further away than ever so yes , massimo, you're a 
> failure!
> 
> Simon 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 16 Feb 2016, at 16:44, Richard Walker <richleed...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Yep all good stuff. I can live with dodgy calendars, pie tax , getting rid 
>> of Redders and the Hock and the fact he's got a criminal record but if it 
>> weren't for Cellino would there be a Leeds Utd ? 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Simon McNally <simon_mcna...@sky.com>
>> To: "nat...@sky.com" <nat...@sky.com> 
>> Cc: Leeds List <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, 16 February 2016, 12:57
>> Subject: Re: [LU] Boro
>> 
>> Not going to add too much to the other match reports as I'm sure most of you 
>> watched it on the telly.
>> Having suffered some miserable displays recently this was a much better 
>> performance. The formation change worked and we look so much better with 2 
>> up , although antenucci was poor - he's already given up for the season if 
>> you ask me.
>> Our main problem is when we have to break down teams that sit deep so 
>> playing against a boro team that wanted to attack helped us - there's no 
>> need to create extra space, they leave it as they attack.
>> 
>> I thought the protest was excellent. Hearing on sky this morning that the 
>> club tried to stop it - nothing like removing people's freedom of speech.
>> For those asking why Cellino, a few points :
>> We have our lowest points total at this point of the season since we 
>> returned to the championship.
>> More cat a games than ever before, including game against Bolton - 16th v 
>> 24th.
>> The pie tax - a cynical petulant attack on the south standers for chanting 
>> time to go.
>> A manager sacked on average every 10 games.
>> The sick six.
>> Hockaday.
>> Sacks redfearn's partner from her job at the academy and then claims not to 
>> know who she is (Lucy Ward, ex England international).
>> Reduces away allocation for Leeds fans then backtracks.
>> Convicted fraudster and banned.
>> No shirt sponsor because of legal disputes - how much has that cost us?
>> Reportedly being sued for £5m by macron for breaking kit deal.
>> According to Phil hey from yep (who's seen legal docs relating to his tv 
>> deal challenge) Cellino refused offer from sky to make boro game sat 
>> lunchtime kick off as far back as December. Lied to fans about it blaming 
>> sky - if I was one of those Norwegian fans that missed out on game I'd be 
>> looking for compensation.
>> Said he'd sell to fans and then changed his mind.
>> Segregation in the south stand.
>> That calendar .
>> Reported to have restructured debt, rather than paying it off - if reports 
>> are correct we'll be paying off gfh amongst others for a long time.
>> Yet to buy back despite promising to do it straight away.
>> 
>> I have had enough - if it wasn't for the fact I've got a season ticket and 
>> have already paid I wouldn't be going anymore. The football played has been 
>> dreadful.
>> We are go

Re: [LU] Boro

[Rick Duniec (@ntl)]

- Original Message - Subject: Re: [LU] Boro
What's happened to that group that we all had to pay £100 to for a share?

LFU - Community Benefit Scheme -
They will be answering some Questions on Waccoe this week (I think).
Have a look at the threads. 


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Re: [LU] Boro

[Simon McNally]

It's an argument put forward a lot that he "saved" us - as it was when bates 
was in charge.
However, there were other interested parties - perhaps they bothered to do due 
diligence and realised the debt situation and made gfh a more realistic offer 
instead of miring us in debt like Cellino has.
Even if he did save us I don't think it gives him the right to do what he's 
done or excuse him from scrutiny for it. I've got a season ticket so the match 
day pricing doesn't affect me and neither does the pie tax because I don't sit 
in the south stand but it's wrong and I think we have to make a stand before 
it's too late.
You've admitted before that you've lost interest in going to games. Who's fault 
is that ? Who's responsible ultimately for the performance of the team? We'll 
get promoted by 2016 Cellino said, you can call me a failure if we don't. Well, 
we look further away than ever so yes , massimo, you're a failure!

Simon 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 16 Feb 2016, at 16:44, Richard Walker <richleed...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Yep all good stuff. I can live with dodgy calendars, pie tax , getting rid of 
> Redders and the Hock and the fact he's got a criminal record but if it 
> weren't for Cellino would there be a Leeds Utd ? 
> 
> 
> From: Simon McNally <simon_mcna...@sky.com>
> To: "nat...@sky.com" <nat...@sky.com> 
> Cc: Leeds List <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, 16 February 2016, 12:57
> Subject: Re: [LU] Boro
> 
> Not going to add too much to the other match reports as I'm sure most of you 
> watched it on the telly.
> Having suffered some miserable displays recently this was a much better 
> performance. The formation change worked and we look so much better with 2 up 
> , although antenucci was poor - he's already given up for the season if you 
> ask me.
> Our main problem is when we have to break down teams that sit deep so playing 
> against a boro team that wanted to attack helped us - there's no need to 
> create extra space, they leave it as they attack.
> 
> I thought the protest was excellent. Hearing on sky this morning that the 
> club tried to stop it - nothing like removing people's freedom of speech.
> For those asking why Cellino, a few points :
> We have our lowest points total at this point of the season since we returned 
> to the championship.
> More cat a games than ever before, including game against Bolton - 16th v 
> 24th.
> The pie tax - a cynical petulant attack on the south standers for chanting 
> time to go.
> A manager sacked on average every 10 games.
> The sick six.
> Hockaday.
> Sacks redfearn's partner from her job at the academy and then claims not to 
> know who she is (Lucy Ward, ex England international).
> Reduces away allocation for Leeds fans then backtracks.
> Convicted fraudster and banned.
> No shirt sponsor because of legal disputes - how much has that cost us?
> Reportedly being sued for £5m by macron for breaking kit deal.
> According to Phil hey from yep (who's seen legal docs relating to his tv deal 
> challenge) Cellino refused offer from sky to make boro game sat lunchtime 
> kick off as far back as December. Lied to fans about it blaming sky - if I 
> was one of those Norwegian fans that missed out on game I'd be looking for 
> compensation.
> Said he'd sell to fans and then changed his mind.
> Segregation in the south stand.
> That calendar .
> Reported to have restructured debt, rather than paying it off - if reports 
> are correct we'll be paying off gfh amongst others for a long time.
> Yet to buy back despite promising to do it straight away.
> 
> I have had enough - if it wasn't for the fact I've got a season ticket and 
> have already paid I wouldn't be going anymore. The football played has been 
> dreadful.
> We are going nowhere under this crook and the sooner he's gone the better.
> As the saying goes, if you're not annoyed by what's going on you haven't been 
> paying attention!
> 
> Time to go massimo!
> 
> Simon
> 
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Re: [LU] Boro

[Richard Walker]

Yep all good stuff. I can live with dodgy calendars, pie tax , getting rid of 
Redders and the Hock and the fact he's got a criminal record but if it weren't 
for Cellino would there be a Leeds Utd ? 

  From: Simon McNally <simon_mcna...@sky.com>
 To: "nat...@sky.com" <nat...@sky.com> 
Cc: Leeds List <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
 Sent: Tuesday, 16 February 2016, 12:57
 Subject: Re: [LU] Boro
   
Not going to add too much to the other match reports as I'm sure most of you 
watched it on the telly.
Having suffered some miserable displays recently this was a much better 
performance. The formation change worked and we look so much better with 2 up , 
although antenucci was poor - he's already given up for the season if you ask 
me.
Our main problem is when we have to break down teams that sit deep so playing 
against a boro team that wanted to attack helped us - there's no need to create 
extra space, they leave it as they attack.

I thought the protest was excellent. Hearing on sky this morning that the club 
tried to stop it - nothing like removing people's freedom of speech.
For those asking why Cellino, a few points :
We have our lowest points total at this point of the season since we returned 
to the championship.
More cat a games than ever before, including game against Bolton - 16th v 24th.
The pie tax - a cynical petulant attack on the south standers for chanting time 
to go.
A manager sacked on average every 10 games.
The sick six.
Hockaday.
Sacks redfearn's partner from her job at the academy and then claims not to 
know who she is (Lucy Ward, ex England international).
Reduces away allocation for Leeds fans then backtracks.
Convicted fraudster and banned.
No shirt sponsor because of legal disputes - how much has that cost us?
Reportedly being sued for £5m by macron for breaking kit deal.
According to Phil hey from yep (who's seen legal docs relating to his tv deal 
challenge) Cellino refused offer from sky to make boro game sat lunchtime kick 
off as far back as December. Lied to fans about it blaming sky - if I was one 
of those Norwegian fans that missed out on game I'd be looking for compensation.
Said he'd sell to fans and then changed his mind.
Segregation in the south stand.
That calendar .
Reported to have restructured debt, rather than paying it off - if reports are 
correct we'll be paying off gfh amongst others for a long time.
Yet to buy back despite promising to do it straight away.

I have had enough - if it wasn't for the fact I've got a season ticket and have 
already paid I wouldn't be going anymore. The football played has been dreadful.
We are going nowhere under this crook and the sooner he's gone the better.
As the saying goes, if you're not annoyed by what's going on you haven't been 
paying attention!

Time to go massimo!

Simon 
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Re: [LU] Boro

[Simon McNally]

Still around as far as I know. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 16 Feb 2016, at 15:40, Matt Anderson <m...@leeds-united.net> wrote:
> 
> What's happened to that group that we all had to pay £100 to for a share?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On
> Behalf Of John Boocock
> Sent: 16 February 2016 15:18
> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: Re: [LU] Boro
> 
> 
> 
>> On 16/02/2016 12:57, Simon McNally wrote:
>> I thought the protest was excellent. Hearing on sky this morning that the
> club tried to stop it - nothing like removing people's freedom of
> speech.etc.
> 
> Great summation Simon and exactly why I put my money where my mouth was and
> have supported the campaign financially.
> 
> There's more to come, but it seems Cellino has his grassing spies everywhere
> - he'll ban every fan next
> 
> Time to go Massimo!
> 
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Re: [LU] Boro and Evans

[Richard Walker]

I also think that was one of Taylor's poorer games.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 16 Feb 2016, at 12:18, Rob Heath  wrote:
> 
> Just goes to show that football is all about opinions!
> 
> I thought Taylor had a poor game -  esp the 1st 20 mins of the 2nd half
> when he seemed to suddenly lose confidence - and i thought The Duke was
> pretty damn good. True, he gave the ball away a few times, but it was b/c
> he was always trying to do something +ive instead of taking the easy option.
> 
>> On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 7:07 PM,  wrote:
>> 
>> I thought Taylor played pretty well too. The object of most of my
>> frustration last night was Doukara - the number of times he misplaced a
>> simple pass or gave the ball away was astonishing. That said, I said to the
>> missus my moaning would stop when he scored the winner! I thought it was a
>> solid performance and whilst we don't create nearly enough chances, there
>> are signs of progress. There are a couple who didn't contribute much -
>> Dallas didn't do a lot imho. Also, I wanted Irwin to make a mark, but he
>> looked like a newly born giraffe lolloping around.
>> 
>> A good point though!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On 16 Feb 2016, at 10:54, David Smail  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I watched on TV and thought the game was very entertaining. Evans has
>> turned
>>> us into a passing side and the long hoofs that we have seen for so long
>> seem
>>> to have gone away. I applaud Evans for this and we appear to have a side
>>> that is shaping up well. We can't score nearly enough, of course,  but
>> that
>>> is known and I'm sure Evans will address that given time and money
>> (ahem!)
>>> 
>>> It was a strong team performance against a good Boro side just gagging to
>>> win to reclaim top slot.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I want to mention by name only two players. Firstly Antenucci, who I
>> like.
>>> It wasn't his game and he was kept pretty quiet, possibly as he
>> contemplates
>>> the imminent birth of his child as Evans suggested?  Also, Bellusci, who
>> I'm
>>> not a fan of. He's usually a liability , but  had a great game and
>> played a
>>> big part in keeping Boro out. Credit where it's due.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Watford up next. I can't help thinking that this will be the most
>> unreported
>>> tie of the round. Watford expected to win, but if we do, it will hardly
>> be a
>>> giant killing feat.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [LU] Boro

[Matt Anderson]

What's happened to that group that we all had to pay £100 to for a share?

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On 16/02/2016 12:57, Simon McNally wrote:
> I thought the protest was excellent. Hearing on sky this morning that the
club tried to stop it - nothing like removing people's freedom of
speech.etc.

Great summation Simon and exactly why I put my money where my mouth was and
have supported the campaign financially.

There's more to come, but it seems Cellino has his grassing spies everywhere
- he'll ban every fan next

Time to go Massimo!

Betty
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Re: [LU] Boro and Evans

[Jeremy Adams]

Just goes to show that football is all about opinions!

Indeed! I only saw the second half but I felt we were under pressure for most 
of it minus the last ten minutes when we decided to have a go against their 10 
men. We pass the ball okay around the back but it all looks a little panicky to 
me and without much thought beyond get rid of it and make it someone else's 
problem. I thought Boro's passing in the middle of the pitch was more incisive 
though we held our shape pretty well. Overall it was a game played by 2 piss 
poor teams and it showed that there's very little difference between mid-tale 
mediocrity and a top six finish. We've invested in two holding midfielders in 
Bridcutt and Lady Gaga. What we need now is someone in the middle of the park 
who can create space, not seen many games on telly this season but Dallas 
wasn't up to it last night. We also need someone to put the ball in the back of 
the bloody net. 

Agree with Da Rev, Doukara worked hard but had an awful first touch and seemed 
intent on passing to a Boro player if possible. The move that put Doukara 
through on goal with Antenucci, Mowatt involved was the best move of the game I 
thought.

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Re: [LU] Boro

[Simon McNally]

I agree it's a mess with no obvious solution.
The fans group had funds and seemed well placed. Problems arose when they asked 
for exclusivity before doing due diligence. Cellino refused and started 
insulting them in the media.
Problems are around debt and how it's structured - it's rumoured Cellino didn't 
do proper due diligence and found more debt than he expected.
I think his presence and that of gfh will put people off but we can still dream.
All I know is it's better to do something than accept what we have currently.

Simon

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> On 16 Feb 2016, at 13:04, Richard Naef <rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk> 
> wrote:
> 
> Simon, I agree, BUT and it is a big BUT (fnarr fnarr) who else?  We always 
> thought no one could be worse that GFH, Bates, Ridsdale and yet each time 
> it's worse.  We need someone with £50-£70M they are willing to risk on the 
> club in the hope of premiership football.
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org]
>> On Behalf Of Simon McNally
>> Sent: 16 February 2016 12:57
>> To: nat...@sky.com
>> Cc: Leeds List
>> Subject: Re: [LU] Boro
>> 
>> Not going to add too much to the other match reports as I'm sure most of
>> you watched it on the telly.
>> Having suffered some miserable displays recently this was a much better
>> performance. The formation change worked and we look so much better
>> with 2 up , although antenucci was poor - he's already given up for the
>> season if you ask me.
>> Our main problem is when we have to break down teams that sit deep so
>> playing against a boro team that wanted to attack helped us - there's no
>> need to create extra space, they leave it as they attack.
>> 
>> I thought the protest was excellent. Hearing on sky this morning that the
>> club tried to stop it - nothing like removing people's freedom of speech.
>> For those asking why Cellino, a few points :
>> We have our lowest points total at this point of the season since we
>> returned to the championship.
>> More cat a games than ever before, including game against Bolton - 16th v
>> 24th.
>> The pie tax - a cynical petulant attack on the south standers for chanting
>> time to go.
>> A manager sacked on average every 10 games.
>> The sick six.
>> Hockaday.
>> Sacks redfearn's partner from her job at the academy and then claims not to
>> know who she is (Lucy Ward, ex England international).
>> Reduces away allocation for Leeds fans then backtracks.
>> Convicted fraudster and banned.
>> No shirt sponsor because of legal disputes - how much has that cost us?
>> Reportedly being sued for £5m by macron for breaking kit deal.
>> According to Phil hey from yep (who's seen legal docs relating to his tv deal
>> challenge) Cellino refused offer from sky to make boro game sat lunchtime
>> kick off as far back as December. Lied to fans about it blaming sky - if I 
>> was
>> one of those Norwegian fans that missed out on game I'd be looking for
>> compensation.
>> Said he'd sell to fans and then changed his mind.
>> Segregation in the south stand.
>> That calendar .
>> Reported to have restructured debt, rather than paying it off - if reports 
>> are
>> correct we'll be paying off gfh amongst others for a long time.
>> Yet to buy back despite promising to do it straight away.
>> 
>> I have had enough - if it wasn't for the fact I've got a season ticket and 
>> have
>> already paid I wouldn't be going anymore. The football played has been
>> dreadful.
>> We are going nowhere under this crook and the sooner he's gone the better.
>> As the saying goes, if you're not annoyed by what's going on you haven't
>> been paying attention!
>> 
>> Time to go massimo!
>> 
>> Simon
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Re: [LU] Boro

[Richard Naef]

Simon, I agree, BUT and it is a big BUT (fnarr fnarr) who else?  We always 
thought no one could be worse that GFH, Bates, Ridsdale and yet each time it's 
worse.  We need someone with £50-£70M they are willing to risk on the club in 
the hope of premiership football.

> -Original Message-
> From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org]
> On Behalf Of Simon McNally
> Sent: 16 February 2016 12:57
> To: nat...@sky.com
> Cc: Leeds List
> Subject: Re: [LU] Boro
> 
> Not going to add too much to the other match reports as I'm sure most of
> you watched it on the telly.
> Having suffered some miserable displays recently this was a much better
> performance. The formation change worked and we look so much better
> with 2 up , although antenucci was poor - he's already given up for the
> season if you ask me.
> Our main problem is when we have to break down teams that sit deep so
> playing against a boro team that wanted to attack helped us - there's no
> need to create extra space, they leave it as they attack.
> 
> I thought the protest was excellent. Hearing on sky this morning that the
> club tried to stop it - nothing like removing people's freedom of speech.
> For those asking why Cellino, a few points :
> We have our lowest points total at this point of the season since we
> returned to the championship.
> More cat a games than ever before, including game against Bolton - 16th v
> 24th.
> The pie tax - a cynical petulant attack on the south standers for chanting
> time to go.
> A manager sacked on average every 10 games.
> The sick six.
> Hockaday.
> Sacks redfearn's partner from her job at the academy and then claims not to
> know who she is (Lucy Ward, ex England international).
> Reduces away allocation for Leeds fans then backtracks.
> Convicted fraudster and banned.
> No shirt sponsor because of legal disputes - how much has that cost us?
> Reportedly being sued for £5m by macron for breaking kit deal.
> According to Phil hey from yep (who's seen legal docs relating to his tv deal
> challenge) Cellino refused offer from sky to make boro game sat lunchtime
> kick off as far back as December. Lied to fans about it blaming sky - if I was
> one of those Norwegian fans that missed out on game I'd be looking for
> compensation.
> Said he'd sell to fans and then changed his mind.
> Segregation in the south stand.
> That calendar .
> Reported to have restructured debt, rather than paying it off - if reports are
> correct we'll be paying off gfh amongst others for a long time.
> Yet to buy back despite promising to do it straight away.
> 
> I have had enough - if it wasn't for the fact I've got a season ticket and 
> have
> already paid I wouldn't be going anymore. The football played has been
> dreadful.
> We are going nowhere under this crook and the sooner he's gone the better.
> As the saying goes, if you're not annoyed by what's going on you haven't
> been paying attention!
> 
> Time to go massimo!
> 
> Simon
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Re: [LU] Boro

[Simon McNally]

Not going to add too much to the other match reports as I'm sure most of you 
watched it on the telly.
Having suffered some miserable displays recently this was a much better 
performance. The formation change worked and we look so much better with 2 up , 
although antenucci was poor - he's already given up for the season if you ask 
me.
Our main problem is when we have to break down teams that sit deep so playing 
against a boro team that wanted to attack helped us - there's no need to create 
extra space, they leave it as they attack.

I thought the protest was excellent. Hearing on sky this morning that the club 
tried to stop it - nothing like removing people's freedom of speech.
For those asking why Cellino, a few points :
We have our lowest points total at this point of the season since we returned 
to the championship.
More cat a games than ever before, including game against Bolton - 16th v 24th.
The pie tax - a cynical petulant attack on the south standers for chanting time 
to go.
A manager sacked on average every 10 games.
The sick six.
Hockaday.
Sacks redfearn's partner from her job at the academy and then claims not to 
know who she is (Lucy Ward, ex England international).
Reduces away allocation for Leeds fans then backtracks.
Convicted fraudster and banned.
No shirt sponsor because of legal disputes - how much has that cost us?
Reportedly being sued for £5m by macron for breaking kit deal.
According to Phil hey from yep (who's seen legal docs relating to his tv deal 
challenge) Cellino refused offer from sky to make boro game sat lunchtime kick 
off as far back as December. Lied to fans about it blaming sky - if I was one 
of those Norwegian fans that missed out on game I'd be looking for compensation.
Said he'd sell to fans and then changed his mind.
Segregation in the south stand.
That calendar .
Reported to have restructured debt, rather than paying it off - if reports are 
correct we'll be paying off gfh amongst others for a long time.
Yet to buy back despite promising to do it straight away.

I have had enough - if it wasn't for the fact I've got a season ticket and have 
already paid I wouldn't be going anymore. The football played has been dreadful.
We are going nowhere under this crook and the sooner he's gone the better.
As the saying goes, if you're not annoyed by what's going on you haven't been 
paying attention!

Time to go massimo!

Simon 
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Re: [LU] Boro

[nat...@sky.com]

I agree which is why in my report I said they "had the ball in the net"and that 
the "whistle had already gone" -  rather than saying they  'had a goal 
disallowed'. 
I have not seen it since so cannot really comment on whether he would have 
scored anyway but our defenders and keeper all stopped playing when the whistle 
went and made no attempt to defend itDave

  From: Ted <tedhea...@gmail.com>
 To: Matt Anderson <m...@leeds-united.net> 
Cc: David Nattan <nat...@sky.com>; Leeds List <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
 Sent: Tuesday, 16 February 2016, 10:59
 Subject: Re: [LU] Boro
   
My thoughts exactly Matt.  I'm sat practically in-line with it and was 
surprised the lino put his flag up as I thought it was in.  As soon as it went 
up tho we made no effort to stop Rhodes.  Not a disallowed goal at all ffs.
Ted
On 16 February 2016 at 10:54, Matt Anderson <m...@leeds-united.net> wrote:

Their disallowed goal yes the ball was out but the lino put his flag up
straight away,  the ball crossed in but Bellusci (?), silvestri and Rhodes
had all seen it and stopped.  Rhodes just headed it in.  despite f*cking
peter Beagrie and Karanka moaning it was not a disallowed goal it was an
incorrect goal kick.  Had the flag gone up later I'm confidentish that he
wouldn't have headed unopposed into to the net... that's what I'm telling
the Boro fans anyway

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. Left pub at the very last minute so did not see the protest.What I did see
was plenty of empty seats, even among the season ticket holders near me and
that tells its own story. Anyway on to the match which I assume those who
care enough to read this will have seen on TV.Not sure what to say about
this one. I walked out having given the team great cheers and applause at
the end, but, that was mainly for the last 10 minutes when we really went
for it. The previous 80mins was almost business as usual, we had most of the
possession and most of the territorial advantage but never really looked
like scoring and we were always worried they would hit us on the break and
get a goal. They were not brilliant but the general impression all game was
that they were better than us and that if they scored one they would beat us
3 or 4 nil.
The first half was not great but not awful either with our only two chances
/ attempts being an excellent turn and shot by Doukara and then an almost
own goal from a goal mouth scramble. AT our end Silvestri was the typical
Silvestri - two good saves, flapping at a cross that ended with Bellusci (?)
clearing off the line and some awful kicking. They did have the ball in the
net when a cross was headed in but the whistle had already gone as the ball
went out before the cross ( a text message suggested the decision was wrong)
So 0-0 at half time and a decent response from the crowd rather than the
booing off of some recent games. Their was a bit of anti Cellino stuff but
nothing of any note.The second half was similar with them missing a couple
of chances on the break and Silvestri pulling off another good save. We
actually had two attempts on target - the most in any home game for a while
-both from Doukara, one a great header but both were very well saved. We
brought on Erwin
  but he just showed why he has not been being picked, and Mowatt was also
brought on and looked quite lively. Then with ten minutes to go we suddenly
came alive and played like Evans has promised we always would, that is,
really going for it. We really battered them in that period, helped by their
defender getting an obvious yellow card for a trip which was his second. So
when the final whistle went we were totally on top of the game roared on by
the crowd and we all left the ground thinking why can't we do this more
often.It was not all great, Wootton who did OK defensively constantly showed
why he should not be a right back, time after time he was in space but
stopped and turned back killing the momentum. Cooper showed that with the
ball at his feet he is a League one defender, Antenucci (one of my
favourites) played like he really did not want to be at Leeds, Cook still
refuses to shoot, and Doukara whislt he did quite well and had our 3 best
attempts on goal does not pun  ch his weight and is too easily bossed.
That is a bit nit picking when over the 90minutes we matched and more, the
supposed second best team in the Division and could have got all 3 points.
Again though we were left wondering why we play so much better against good
teams than bad, and why we do not have more penetration.I found out at the
game that we are back there next Tuesday v Fulham, so cue a goal or two by
McCormack and us going back into our shell against a lower team Dave
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[Rob Heath]

Just goes to show that football is all about opinions!

I thought Taylor had a poor game -  esp the 1st 20 mins of the 2nd half
when he seemed to suddenly lose confidence - and i thought The Duke was
pretty damn good. True, he gave the ball away a few times, but it was b/c
he was always trying to do something +ive instead of taking the easy option.

On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 7:07 PM,  wrote:

> I thought Taylor played pretty well too. The object of most of my
> frustration last night was Doukara - the number of times he misplaced a
> simple pass or gave the ball away was astonishing. That said, I said to the
> missus my moaning would stop when he scored the winner! I thought it was a
> solid performance and whilst we don't create nearly enough chances, there
> are signs of progress. There are a couple who didn't contribute much -
> Dallas didn't do a lot imho. Also, I wanted Irwin to make a mark, but he
> looked like a newly born giraffe lolloping around.
>
> A good point though!
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On 16 Feb 2016, at 10:54, David Smail  wrote:
> >
> > I watched on TV and thought the game was very entertaining. Evans has
> turned
> > us into a passing side and the long hoofs that we have seen for so long
> seem
> > to have gone away. I applaud Evans for this and we appear to have a side
> > that is shaping up well. We can't score nearly enough, of course,  but
> that
> > is known and I'm sure Evans will address that given time and money
> (ahem!)
> >
> > It was a strong team performance against a good Boro side just gagging to
> > win to reclaim top slot.
> >
> >
> >
> > I want to mention by name only two players. Firstly Antenucci, who I
> like.
> > It wasn't his game and he was kept pretty quiet, possibly as he
> contemplates
> > the imminent birth of his child as Evans suggested?  Also, Bellusci, who
> I'm
> > not a fan of. He's usually a liability , but  had a great game and
> played a
> > big part in keeping Boro out. Credit where it's due.
> >
> >
> >
> > Watford up next. I can't help thinking that this will be the most
> unreported
> > tie of the round. Watford expected to win, but if we do, it will hardly
> be a
> > giant killing feat.
> >
> >
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [LU] Boro and Evans

[Nigel Sykes]

Ted H wrote:
>Not sure if it's been said, but the Watford v Leeds game is live on Setanta
>Sports (Ireland).  (available on one of those FireStick thingys apparently
>- and I looked at Mobdro on my phone & it is on there)

Ooo... thanks for the tip.  For once, that channel will be of use!

Not that you'd know from the official site - they still show Brum Away as
the next game!  Indeed, if you go to their fixture list, we appear to be
playing both Watford and Brum away next Saturday.  Which could be a
challenge...

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

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Re: [LU] Boro and Evans

[Peter Castlehouse]

Hey Ted, what's the kick off time and date?   Sadly retarded here as far as
finding out is concerned - don't ask, just tell my bosses enough is enough
as far as more work is concerned eh?

Cheers
Retarded OzPete


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On 16 February 2016 at 10:54, Dave wrote:


> Watford up next. I can't help thinking that this will be the most
> unreported
> tie of the round. Watford expected to win, but if we do, it will hardly be
> a
> giant killing feat.
>
>
>
Not sure if it's been said, but the Watford v Leeds game is live on Setanta
Sports (Ireland).  (available on one of those FireStick thingys apparently
- and I looked at Mobdro on my phone & it is on there)

Ted H
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Re: [LU] Boro and Evans

[Ted]

On 16 February 2016 at 10:54, Dave wrote:


> Watford up next. I can't help thinking that this will be the most
> unreported
> tie of the round. Watford expected to win, but if we do, it will hardly be
> a
> giant killing feat.
>
>
>
Not sure if it's been said, but the Watford v Leeds game is live on Setanta
Sports (Ireland).  (available on one of those FireStick thingys apparently
- and I looked at Mobdro on my phone & it is on there)

Ted H
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Re: [LU] Boro

[Ted]

My thoughts exactly Matt.  I'm sat practically in-line with it and was
surprised the lino put his flag up as I thought it was in.  As soon as it
went up tho we made no effort to stop Rhodes.  Not a disallowed goal at all
ffs.

Ted

On 16 February 2016 at 10:54, Matt Anderson <m...@leeds-united.net> wrote:

> Their disallowed goal yes the ball was out but the lino put his flag up
> straight away,  the ball crossed in but Bellusci (?), silvestri and Rhodes
> had all seen it and stopped.  Rhodes just headed it in.  despite f*cking
> peter Beagrie and Karanka moaning it was not a disallowed goal it was an
> incorrect goal kick.  Had the flag gone up later I'm confidentish that he
> wouldn't have headed unopposed into to the net... that's what I'm telling
> the Boro fans anyway
>
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> Subject: [LU] Boro
>
> . Left pub at the very last minute so did not see the protest.What I did
> see
> was plenty of empty seats, even among the season ticket holders near me and
> that tells its own story. Anyway on to the match which I assume those who
> care enough to read this will have seen on TV.Not sure what to say about
> this one. I walked out having given the team great cheers and applause at
> the end, but, that was mainly for the last 10 minutes when we really went
> for it. The previous 80mins was almost business as usual, we had most of
> the
> possession and most of the territorial advantage but never really looked
> like scoring and we were always worried they would hit us on the break and
> get a goal. They were not brilliant but the general impression all game was
> that they were better than us and that if they scored one they would beat
> us
> 3 or 4 nil.
> The first half was not great but not awful either with our only two chances
> / attempts being an excellent turn and shot by Doukara and then an almost
> own goal from a goal mouth scramble. AT our end Silvestri was the typical
> Silvestri - two good saves, flapping at a cross that ended with Bellusci
> (?)
> clearing off the line and some awful kicking. They did have the ball in the
> net when a cross was headed in but the whistle had already gone as the ball
> went out before the cross ( a text message suggested the decision was
> wrong)
> So 0-0 at half time and a decent response from the crowd rather than the
> booing off of some recent games. Their was a bit of anti Cellino stuff but
> nothing of any note.The second half was similar with them missing a couple
> of chances on the break and Silvestri pulling off another good save. We
> actually had two attempts on target - the most in any home game for a while
> -both from Doukara, one a great header but both were very well saved. We
> brought on Erwin
>   but he just showed why he has not been being picked, and Mowatt was also
> brought on and looked quite lively. Then with ten minutes to go we suddenly
> came alive and played like Evans has promised we always would, that is,
> really going for it. We really battered them in that period, helped by
> their
> defender getting an obvious yellow card for a trip which was his second. So
> when the final whistle went we were totally on top of the game roared on by
> the crowd and we all left the ground thinking why can't we do this more
> often.It was not all great, Wootton who did OK defensively constantly
> showed
> why he should not be a right back, time after time he was in space but
> stopped and turned back killing the momentum. Cooper showed that with the
> ball at his feet he is a League one defender, Antenucci (one of my
> favourites) played like he really did not want to be at Leeds, Cook still
> refuses to shoot, and Doukara whislt he did quite well and had our 3 best
> attempts on goal does not pun  ch his weight and is too easily bossed.
> That is a bit nit picking when over the 90minutes we matched and more, the
> supposed second best team in the Division and could have got all 3 points.
> Again though we were left wondering why we play so much better against good
> teams than bad, and why we do not have more penetration.I found out at the
> game that we are back there next Tuesday v Fulham, so cue a goal or two by
> McCormack and us going back into our shell against a lower team Dave
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[LU] Boro and Evans

[David Smail]

I watched on TV and thought the game was very entertaining. Evans has turned
us into a passing side and the long hoofs that we have seen for so long seem
to have gone away. I applaud Evans for this and we appear to have a side
that is shaping up well. We can't score nearly enough, of course,  but that
is known and I'm sure Evans will address that given time and money (ahem!) 

It was a strong team performance against a good Boro side just gagging to
win to reclaim top slot. 

 

I want to mention by name only two players. Firstly Antenucci, who I like.
It wasn't his game and he was kept pretty quiet, possibly as he contemplates
the imminent birth of his child as Evans suggested?  Also, Bellusci, who I'm
not a fan of. He's usually a liability , but  had a great game and played a
big part in keeping Boro out. Credit where it's due.

 

Watford up next. I can't help thinking that this will be the most unreported
tie of the round. Watford expected to win, but if we do, it will hardly be a
giant killing feat. 

 

Dave

 

 

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Re: [LU] Boro

[Matt Anderson]

Their disallowed goal yes the ball was out but the lino put his flag up
straight away,  the ball crossed in but Bellusci (?), silvestri and Rhodes
had all seen it and stopped.  Rhodes just headed it in.  despite f*cking
peter Beagrie and Karanka moaning it was not a disallowed goal it was an
incorrect goal kick.  Had the flag gone up later I'm confidentish that he
wouldn't have headed unopposed into to the net... that's what I'm telling
the Boro fans anyway

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. Left pub at the very last minute so did not see the protest.What I did see
was plenty of empty seats, even among the season ticket holders near me and
that tells its own story. Anyway on to the match which I assume those who
care enough to read this will have seen on TV.Not sure what to say about
this one. I walked out having given the team great cheers and applause at
the end, but, that was mainly for the last 10 minutes when we really went
for it. The previous 80mins was almost business as usual, we had most of the
possession and most of the territorial advantage but never really looked
like scoring and we were always worried they would hit us on the break and
get a goal. They were not brilliant but the general impression all game was
that they were better than us and that if they scored one they would beat us
3 or 4 nil. 
The first half was not great but not awful either with our only two chances
/ attempts being an excellent turn and shot by Doukara and then an almost
own goal from a goal mouth scramble. AT our end Silvestri was the typical
Silvestri - two good saves, flapping at a cross that ended with Bellusci (?)
clearing off the line and some awful kicking. They did have the ball in the
net when a cross was headed in but the whistle had already gone as the ball
went out before the cross ( a text message suggested the decision was wrong)
So 0-0 at half time and a decent response from the crowd rather than the
booing off of some recent games. Their was a bit of anti Cellino stuff but
nothing of any note.The second half was similar with them missing a couple
of chances on the break and Silvestri pulling off another good save. We
actually had two attempts on target - the most in any home game for a while
-both from Doukara, one a great header but both were very well saved. We
brought on Erwin
  but he just showed why he has not been being picked, and Mowatt was also
brought on and looked quite lively. Then with ten minutes to go we suddenly
came alive and played like Evans has promised we always would, that is,
really going for it. We really battered them in that period, helped by their
defender getting an obvious yellow card for a trip which was his second. So
when the final whistle went we were totally on top of the game roared on by
the crowd and we all left the ground thinking why can't we do this more
often.It was not all great, Wootton who did OK defensively constantly showed
why he should not be a right back, time after time he was in space but
stopped and turned back killing the momentum. Cooper showed that with the
ball at his feet he is a League one defender, Antenucci (one of my
favourites) played like he really did not want to be at Leeds, Cook still
refuses to shoot, and Doukara whislt he did quite well and had our 3 best
attempts on goal does not pun  ch his weight and is too easily bossed. 
That is a bit nit picking when over the 90minutes we matched and more, the
supposed second best team in the Division and could have got all 3 points.
Again though we were left wondering why we play so much better against good
teams than bad, and why we do not have more penetration.I found out at the
game that we are back there next Tuesday v Fulham, so cue a goal or two by
McCormack and us going back into our shell against a lower team Dave
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Re: [LU] Boro - wow

[Richard Naef]

Just watched the highlights on LUTV and have to say I think it was one of the 
best battling performances I've seen for some time.  Considering we were 
playing a Boro side who could have gone clear ay the top with a win and who 
have an unbeaten record at the Riverside since August.  A real battling 
performance with the guys putting their bodies on the line, the defence is 
looking good, 3 clean sheets in a row, Silvestri perhaps our best keeper since 
Robinson?  Belusci clearing one of the line, Bamba making precise tackles in 
the penalty area, Cooper back from Injury to take over from the injured 
Belusci.   Ok, quite a few passes went astray and at times Boro were all over 
us, BUT again it was against a Promotion favourite at their ground pushing to 
go top of the table, so it was understandable and as far as I could see we 
never resorted to hoof ball, when the ball was lost it was because the lads 
were trying to play it out.   Possibly the most exciting feature was that when 
we
  broke you could perm any 3 of 6 players to be in the box looking for the 
ball.  Really looking forward to Brighton Tomorrow - cue a crap display.

Anyone who wants to borrow my login details to watch it let me know.

ttfn

Richard

 

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 From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On
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 Sent: 21 February 2015 17:18
 To: leeds list
 Subject: [LU] Boro - wow
 
 I watched the first half and like everyone else wondered. 'how is this 1 nil 
 to us'
 A great start and then we went all defensive for the rest of the half, partly
 because they got on the front foot and partly because we sat back and let them
 come at us. Thankfully Silvestri, who to be fair, has impressed as a shot 
 stopper
 pretty much all season with the odd blip, was really on form. He got the luck 
 that
 his effort and skill deserved and was backed by some really determined
 defending, a real 'they shall not pass' attitude that has been sadly lacking 
 in
 recent seasons. This commitment earned us the good fortune that it tends to
 bring and coupled with some poor finishing etc meant that I went out at half
 time to my cub do, ruing Sol's last minute missed header that could have 
 finished
 them off.My text as I left the house was 'take Bellusci off and bring on 
 Cooper,
 and that when I came home any result between us hanging on for 1 nil or even
 extending it to 2 nil right up to a 4 or 5 1 hammering, with the first 10mins 
 of the
 second half being all important. Then nothing till just gone 2pm when I had a
 message saying they were down to 10 men but there was 9mins injury time due
 to a bad injury to one of theirs -then a few minutes later my phone had 
 multiple
 messages - we had done it, we had hung on and won !A real 'we would not have
 won this before Christmas' moment. Are the play offs a realistic possibility 
 ? I
 doubt it but we are almost safe now - 41 pts on the board and 46 to 50 going 
 to
 be enough. We just need to keep going and see where we end up. IF the  plays
 offs stay in sight then keep playing the same team and formation, home and
 away - Cooper has to play the next 2 for the suspended Bellusci. If the play 
 offs
 disapper over the horizon as is likely then we can look to rest Cook, Mowatt,
 Taylor and Byram ready for next season and give those on loan, Adryan, Cani,
 Montenegro, Del Fabro etc a run out to see if they are worth keepingWe need
 to keep going and do enough to let Cook etc think that next season can indeed
 be our year and that they can make the Prem with us and give us one more year
 before they go to better places - no-one however much they love Leeds is going
 to stay when the Prem come knocking, but if we can show them something
 good is happening maybe we can get them to sign on for one more season - play
 for us and get promotion rather than sit on a Premier team bench. It could 
 work
 for a while but not longer than, say next Christmas transfer window - we saw
 that with Snoddy and Howson etc Still a great result and if Morison can add
 goals to his game then things can get better still Dave
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[LU] Boro - wow

[nat...@sky.com]

I watched the first half and like everyone else wondered. 'how is this 1 nil to 
us' A great start and then we went all defensive for the rest of the half, 
partly because they got on the front foot and partly because we sat back and 
let them come at us. Thankfully Silvestri, who to be fair, has impressed as a 
shot stopper pretty much all season with the odd blip, was really on form. He 
got the luck that his effort and skill deserved and was backed by some really 
determined defending, a real 'they shall not pass' attitude that has been sadly 
lacking in recent seasons. This commitment earned us the good fortune that it 
tends to bring and coupled with some poor finishing etc meant that I went out 
at half time to my cub do, ruing Sol's last minute missed header that could 
have finished them off.My text as I left the house was 'take Bellusci off and 
bring on Cooper, and that when I came home any result between us hanging on for 
1 nil or even extending it to 2 nil right up to a 4 or 5 1 hammering, with the 
first 10mins of the second half being all important. Then nothing till just 
gone 2pm when I had a message saying they were down to 10 men but there was 
9mins injury time due to a bad injury to one of theirs -then a few minutes 
later my phone had multiple messages - we had done it, we had hung on and won 
!A real 'we would not have won this before Christmas' moment. Are the play offs 
a realistic possibility ? I doubt it but we are almost safe now - 41 pts on the 
board and 46 to 50 going to be enough. We just need to keep going and see where 
we end up. IF the  plays offs stay in sight then keep playing the same team and 
formation, home and away - Cooper has to play the next 2 for the suspended 
Bellusci. If the play offs disapper over the horizon as is likely then we can 
look to rest Cook, Mowatt, Taylor and Byram ready for next season and give 
those on loan, Adryan, Cani, Montenegro, Del Fabro etc a run out to see if they 
are worth keepingWe need to keep going and do enough to let Cook etc think that 
next season can indeed be our year and that they can make the Prem with us and 
give us one more year before they go to better places - no-one however much 
they love Leeds is going to stay when the Prem come knocking, but if we can 
show them something good is happening maybe we can get them to sign on for one 
more season - play for us and get promotion rather than sit on a Premier team 
bench. It could work for a while but not longer than, say next Christmas 
transfer window - we saw that with Snoddy and Howson etc
Still a great result and if Morison can add goals to his game then things can 
get better still
Dave
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Re: [LU] Boro - wow

[Richard Walker]

Here's my scores

Silvestri - 10 all action , top quality shop stopping. 

Wooton - 5. Did some half decent defensive work but his distribution is 
shocking and he seems to go missing at times. Not a right back. Unlucky with 
his header off the bar.

Taylor - 6. Steady away. I like the way he always looks for a pass out of 
defence rather than just punting.

Bellusci - 5 I thought he was a real weak link in the first half. He gave his 
man too much space and then he just backs off leaving us in trouble. Second 
half he did improve but he's a liability. You only have to look at his scissor 
tackle second half when he was on a yellow. He timed it just about right but 
had he not it would have been penalty , red card and 2 points lost. 

Bamba- 8 superb. Should have bagged a goal with a point blank header which he 
got all wrong. 

Austin - 7. Low quality but loads of effort and continued to run his heart out 
for 99 minutes. Good shot second half.maybe should have scored when Cook fed 
the ball through to him second half.

Murphy - 4. I just don't rate this lad. He looks the part, when he gets the 
ball he usually shows decent control but that's about it. He strolls around not 
following his man and just doesn't do enough off the ball. His distribution was 
also poor. Just didn't figure today. How many times have we said that about 
Luke Murphy since his arrival ?

Mowatt - 5. Lucky with his goal. His performance was similar to Murphy's in 
that he didn't do enough off the ball. They had too much possession and too 
much space in midfield. At times it was criminal. He is leg heavy and always 
seems like it's a struggle for him to get to the ball.

Cook - 7. They were singing his praises on the tv but I thought it was not his 
best performance. He makes good runs but frequently the move peters out due to 
poor pass se,section or him not being strong enough. 

Byram - 6. Surprisingly his performance was similar to Murphy's and Mowatt. A 
few good runs but poor final ball selection. 

Morison - 7. Worked hard up front and won more headers than anyone in his own 
box. There has to be some end product at some point though.

Yes, I think we showed good determination and maybe a few months ago we would 
gave lost this but with slightly better finishing we would have been buried in 
this game. We were 2nd best all over the park against a pretty average Boro 
team from what I could see. I was not impressed at all by the performance but 
the result is the only think that counts. 


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Re: [LU] 'boro

[[broken-address] seanscribe]

 


Our next change needed to involve brining Smith on to 
get about the defence, but instead it was Poleon, which really didn’t work.


 

 I wonder why Hock/Cellino don't seem to rate Smith. He'd be an automatic 
starter in my book now that McCormack's gone (at least until one of the new 
guys or not-yet-signed guys proves his worth as a goal-getter).

Cheers!

Sean

 

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Subject: [LU] 'boro


I’ll take this for a win. Boro are a big, rough arsed team. Quite happy to 
stick 
it in, and mix it up. But with our two newest men, Cooper and Sharp, making 
steady debuts we looked solid if uninspiring. At least Hunt wasn’t lining up. I 
notice that someone thought before the match that Austin should be dropped - 
that would have been a bad call, he was man of the match for us…putting in the 
shifts of two men.

We almost scored in the first two minutes following a shot and a parry by the 
keeper quite a way out of his goal which was followed up - and should have been 
finished but Boro had 3 men covering and the ball was cleared off the line. 
This 
raised the tempo and for 10 minutes we huffed and puffed around their box 
without really getting anywhere. The crowd was 24,500, the sun was shining and 
Dowden turned up with the pies…my dad’s face lit up like it was his birthday; 
don’t think he could remember the last time he had a pork pie. He was well 
happy 
at half time. All was well with the world.

Slowly though Boro took the sting out of it and began passing through our 
midfield. They had more pressure without really threatening. Our two Chalfs 
looked comfortable, as did Silvestri in goal - the problem was the FBacks - 
Byram didn’t look interested while Warnock was all or nothing…frequently making 
good challenges, but they were often desperate or last ditch, while at other 
times he simply wasn’t there. To be fair to both, neither was getting much 
cover 
for their respective midfielders.

On 30 minutes Boro got the ball across the box…our defenders static watching 
the 
ball bounce and one their forwards hooked the ball over his shoulder and in the 
far corner…now for some reason (possibly high feet by the goalscorer) it was 
disallowed…which was extremely lucky for us. There was a certain irony given 
that for the previous few minutes we’d been singing the one about “only getting 
shit refs…” 

Moving forward, we tried to pass our way through and sometimes there looked to 
be the promise of something developing with interplay between Austin, Doukara, 
Ajose and Sharp - Doukara, takes the ball well and lays it off nicely; he might 
have more pace that he appears to, because he gets by the opposition, or gets 
to 
the ball first when you don’t expect it. He’d took quite a lot of punishment in 
the first half, including a nasty scything chop just on half time - so he “gave 
it a go for 10 minutes” in the second before coming off for Tonge. Bringing 
Tonge on was a good call as he beefed up the midfield - and had been in good 
form in the pre-season. Our next change needed to involve brining Smith on to 
get about the defence, but instead it was Poleon, which really didn’t work.

in the second half we were pushed back and Silvestri did have to make a couple 
of sharp stops…he also dealt comfortably with the crosses slung in. 

On 75 minutes it looked like Sharp, who’d been busy without being special up to 
that point, had fluffed his lines, popping a free header 6 feet out just wide 
of 
the near post. Then with 2 minutes to go (of the 90) a ball is cut back to the 
edge of the box and Tonge belts it low and hard to the far corner, the keeper 
at 
full stretch palms it back into the midfield of the box, rather than out and 
Sharp, showing good poacher’s skills stabbed it over his outstretched leg and 
into the bottom corner in front of the Kop…and I bet he’ll take that for a 
debut. He went mental ran around with his shirt off and got a booking for his 
trouble.

Something like 6 minutes of tense injury time was played, but we hung on…

SILVESTRI - calm, solid, quietly efficient

BYRAM - he is a class act, but whether he’s out of position or not, he needs to 
get more involved…often peripheral

WARNOCK - blood and thunder - sometimes it works and sometimes it is dreadful 
foul…worked in the main today

COOPER - big, strong, decent in the air, read most of what he needed to do…not 
sure about the speed yet, but we’ll see. A tendency to wander upfield with the 
ball and lose it, but all-in-all a huge improvement on Wootton.

PEARCE - a good battling, all heart performance

AUSTIN - all around nuisance for Boro, tackle after tackle after tackle…decent 
distribution when played short and simply but still not up to much with the 
longer more adventurous stuff

MURPHY - also peripheral, the passing didn’t work, nevertheless he put in a 
shift

BIANCHI - always seems to have

Re: [LU] 'boro

[Dr Michael Benjamin]

Frankly he's pretty limited. Being tall is not a great attribute. He's a
scorer. Sure that's strange for us. But they're supposed to do more than
that.
On 18 Aug 2014 09:11, [broken-address] 
seanscr...@aol.com-is-broken.gn.apc.org wrote:





 Our next change needed to involve brining Smith on to
 get about the defence, but instead it was Poleon, which really didn’t work.




  I wonder why Hock/Cellino don't seem to rate Smith. He'd be an automatic
 starter in my book now that McCormack's gone (at least until one of the new
 guys or not-yet-signed guys proves his worth as a goal-getter).

 Cheers!

 Sean



 -Original Message-
 From: Nick n...@6haroldplace.co.uk
 To: leeds list leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Sent: Sat, Aug 16, 2014 12:46 pm
 Subject: [LU] 'boro


 I’ll take this for a win. Boro are a big, rough arsed team. Quite happy to
 stick
 it in, and mix it up. But with our two newest men, Cooper and Sharp, making
 steady debuts we looked solid if uninspiring. At least Hunt wasn’t lining
 up. I
 notice that someone thought before the match that Austin should be dropped
 -
 that would have been a bad call, he was man of the match for us…putting in
 the
 shifts of two men.

 We almost scored in the first two minutes following a shot and a parry by
 the
 keeper quite a way out of his goal which was followed up - and should have
 been
 finished but Boro had 3 men covering and the ball was cleared off the
 line. This
 raised the tempo and for 10 minutes we huffed and puffed around their box
 without really getting anywhere. The crowd was 24,500, the sun was shining
 and
 Dowden turned up with the pies…my dad’s face lit up like it was his
 birthday;
 don’t think he could remember the last time he had a pork pie. He was well
 happy
 at half time. All was well with the world.

 Slowly though Boro took the sting out of it and began passing through our
 midfield. They had more pressure without really threatening. Our two Chalfs
 looked comfortable, as did Silvestri in goal - the problem was the FBacks -
 Byram didn’t look interested while Warnock was all or nothing…frequently
 making
 good challenges, but they were often desperate or last ditch, while at
 other
 times he simply wasn’t there. To be fair to both, neither was getting much
 cover
 for their respective midfielders.

 On 30 minutes Boro got the ball across the box…our defenders static
 watching the
 ball bounce and one their forwards hooked the ball over his shoulder and
 in the
 far corner…now for some reason (possibly high feet by the goalscorer) it
 was
 disallowed…which was extremely lucky for us. There was a certain irony
 given
 that for the previous few minutes we’d been singing the one about “only
 getting
 shit refs…”

 Moving forward, we tried to pass our way through and sometimes there
 looked to
 be the promise of something developing with interplay between Austin,
 Doukara,
 Ajose and Sharp - Doukara, takes the ball well and lays it off nicely; he
 might
 have more pace that he appears to, because he gets by the opposition, or
 gets to
 the ball first when you don’t expect it. He’d took quite a lot of
 punishment in
 the first half, including a nasty scything chop just on half time - so he
 “gave
 it a go for 10 minutes” in the second before coming off for Tonge. Bringing
 Tonge on was a good call as he beefed up the midfield - and had been in
 good
 form in the pre-season. Our next change needed to involve brining Smith on
 to
 get about the defence, but instead it was Poleon, which really didn’t work.

 in the second half we were pushed back and Silvestri did have to make a
 couple
 of sharp stops…he also dealt comfortably with the crosses slung in.

 On 75 minutes it looked like Sharp, who’d been busy without being special
 up to
 that point, had fluffed his lines, popping a free header 6 feet out just
 wide of
 the near post. Then with 2 minutes to go (of the 90) a ball is cut back to
 the
 edge of the box and Tonge belts it low and hard to the far corner, the
 keeper at
 full stretch palms it back into the midfield of the box, rather than out
 and
 Sharp, showing good poacher’s skills stabbed it over his outstretched leg
 and
 into the bottom corner in front of the Kop…and I bet he’ll take that for a
 debut. He went mental ran around with his shirt off and got a booking for
 his
 trouble.

 Something like 6 minutes of tense injury time was played, but we hung on…

 SILVESTRI - calm, solid, quietly efficient

 BYRAM - he is a class act, but whether he’s out of position or not, he
 needs to
 get more involved…often peripheral

 WARNOCK - blood and thunder - sometimes it works and sometimes it is
 dreadful
 foul…worked in the main today

 COOPER - big, strong, decent in the air, read most of what he needed to
 do…not
 sure about the speed yet, but we’ll see. A tendency to wander upfield with
 the
 ball and lose it, but all-in-all a huge improvement on Wootton.

 PEARCE - a good battling, all heart performance

 AUSTIN - all around

Re: [LU] Boro

[John Lee]

I watched the game from 49 minutes in a bar in Spain, and I was pretty happy 
with what I saw at this stage. I'd have taken 5 points from the first 5 games, 
so a win out of first 2 is OK, given everything surrounding the club. I spent 
half the time trying to figure out who was who - presumably Cooper is the guy 
from Chesterfield? I though Murphy showed flashes of being above this level, 
but he does push the ball too far ahead of him - he'll break his leg in a 
full-on tackle if he continues with the Carlton-esque touch, and needs to learn 
quickly! Warnock stood out, and rest of defence looked OK. If they can back 
this up with a result v Brighton then realistically we're doing OK. Avoiding 
relegation is the first step - from the limited action I saw v Millwall, we are 
going in the right direction. Still need some creativity though. 


On Monday, 18 August 2014, 3:23, Alec McQueen alec...@gmail.com wrote:
  


So there's a few candidates to be the new becchio there. My money's on Murphy. 

Cheers
Alec


 On 18 Aug 2014, at 1:32 am, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 
 Struggling to remember anything about yesterday after a full day on the 
 booze. From what I can remember it was a very poor game and we were second 
 best for large periods. In fact Boro played the only really football in the 
 game and had a perfectly good goal ruled out. They deserved a point but to be 
 honest they were at times just as bad especially when it came to the last 
 3rd. A really poor game. 
 
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Re: [LU] 'boro

[nat...@sky.com]

Sean posted
I wonder why Hock/Cellino don't seem to rate Smith. He'd be an automatic 
starter in my book now that McCormack's gone (at least until one of the new 
guys or not-yet-signed guys proves his worth as a goal-getter).

I want to see Smith get a run in the team - i think that him and Sharp can be a 
real partnership - something that never really happened with him and Ross , 
they were more like 2 individuals who did well on their own. Lots of times last 
season Smith won the header but Ross did not pick up the pieces, whereas I 
think that is Sharps forte, a real goal poacher.

I can remember as a kid that Granada TV actually did a 'telepathy test' for 
Toshack and Keegan so good was their partnership and their reading of each 
others game that fans thought that it was telepathic in nature*

I think that Smith and Sharp could be the equivalent of that (or Clarke / Jones 
- bit before my time) at our level.

Dave
*Toshack and Keegan much to the chagrin of Gerald Sindstat were not telepathic 
- no surprise since there is no such thing - and did worse than 50/50 in 
guessing colours and shapes etc
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[LU] Boro

[Richard Walker]

Struggling to remember anything about yesterday after a full day on the booze. 
From what I can remember it was a very poor game and we were second best for 
large periods. In fact Boro played the only really football in the game and had 
a perfectly good goal ruled out. They deserved a point but to be honest they 
were at times just as bad especially when it came to the last 3rd. A really 
poor game. 

Of course, that can be forgotten now because of Billy's poacher's goal at the 
death, following up Tonge's half decent shot, which was one more than Austin 
and Murphy had managed in 90 mins. Why did the Hock drop his best midfielder at 
the moment ? Say what you want about Tonge but he is streets ahead of Murphy 
when it comes to control and passing and now he's lost a bit of weight he 
actually contributes just as much defensively. Murphy is bloody awful and it 
was frustrating to watch him lose possession time and time again. We're told 
that he ruled Division 3 at Crewe and will come good ? Anyone else fed up with 
waiting ? His contributions in a Leeds shirt can be counted on one hand and 
that includes his hand balled goal against Brighton. 

There's really not much else to say about the game except 3 points is 3 points. 

Scores:

Silvestri - 7. Not a lot to do but what he did he did confidently/ 

Byram - 4. Just didn't get into the game and is so obviously playing out of 
position its untrue. 

Warnock - 7. I thought he was our best defender on the day. 

Pearce - 6. A few dodgy moments but overall did a job and put a shift in. 

Cooper - 6. Similar to Pearce but I liked the look of him. He's big and strong 
and for a debut in a creaking defence I thought he did really well. 

Austin - 7. He wasn't playing football as we know it but he made his presence 
felt and did a lot of breaking up play at crucial times. We probably need him 
this year but not paired with Murphy. 

Murphy - 3. Very, very poor. I just don't rate this lad. Looking the part is 
one thing, delivering is another. 

Ajose - 4. One or 2 moments. I think this game showed us he's not a winger. We 
need to buy a winger. 

Bianchi - 3. This guy is shit. Seen him twice now and he's contributed nothing. 
Off the ball, he doesn't know what he's doing. It's no surprise that a midfield 
of Murphy, Austin and Murphy were completely overrun by an average Boro 
midfield. 

Doukara - 3 I wondered after Altringham if we had unearthed a new JFH. Have we 
f'ck. He's not even Clive Winjhart or Tony Agana. In fact, he's a pretty poor 
footballer and should be playing in League 3. He jsut had no idea when he got 
the ball. 

Sharp - 7. I thought he was busy and lively and put a shift in. Good goal that 
won us the game. 


Subs:

Tonge - 7 Made a difference 
Poleon - 5. Made little difference 
Cook - can't remember. I was pretty pissed by then. I was in the Legends lounge 
and we took advantage of their hospitality in a big way. 

The Hock - 10. Genius substitutions. We are in safe hands. 
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Re: [LU] Boro 'goal'

[nat...@sky.com]

Boro 'goal'- to me Warnock got it right, if this had happened anywhere else on 
the pitch it would have been given as a foul - end of argument.
Yes he took it well, and yes I would be screaming at the ref if it had happened 
in reverse BUT it was a very high kick and Warnock was correct in putting his 
head to it and if it was in the middle of the pitch the ref would have blown 
and no-one would have questioned it. 
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Re: [LU] Boro

[Alec McQueen]

So there's a few candidates to be the new becchio there. My money's on Murphy. 

Cheers
Alec

 On 18 Aug 2014, at 1:32 am, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 
 Struggling to remember anything about yesterday after a full day on the 
 booze. From what I can remember it was a very poor game and we were second 
 best for large periods. In fact Boro played the only really football in the 
 game and had a perfectly good goal ruled out. They deserved a point but to be 
 honest they were at times just as bad especially when it came to the last 
 3rd. A really poor game. 
 
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[LU] 'boro

[Nick]

I’ll take this for a win. Boro are a big, rough arsed team. Quite happy to 
stick it in, and mix it up. But with our two newest men, Cooper and Sharp, 
making steady debuts we looked solid if uninspiring. At least Hunt wasn’t 
lining up. I notice that someone thought before the match that Austin should be 
dropped - that would have been a bad call, he was man of the match for 
us…putting in the shifts of two men.

We almost scored in the first two minutes following a shot and a parry by the 
keeper quite a way out of his goal which was followed up - and should have been 
finished but Boro had 3 men covering and the ball was cleared off the line. 
This raised the tempo and for 10 minutes we huffed and puffed around their box 
without really getting anywhere. The crowd was 24,500, the sun was shining and 
Dowden turned up with the pies…my dad’s face lit up like it was his birthday; 
don’t think he could remember the last time he had a pork pie. He was well 
happy at half time. All was well with the world.

Slowly though Boro took the sting out of it and began passing through our 
midfield. They had more pressure without really threatening. Our two Chalfs 
looked comfortable, as did Silvestri in goal - the problem was the FBacks - 
Byram didn’t look interested while Warnock was all or nothing…frequently making 
good challenges, but they were often desperate or last ditch, while at other 
times he simply wasn’t there. To be fair to both, neither was getting much 
cover for their respective midfielders.

On 30 minutes Boro got the ball across the box…our defenders static watching 
the ball bounce and one their forwards hooked the ball over his shoulder and in 
the far corner…now for some reason (possibly high feet by the goalscorer) it 
was disallowed…which was extremely lucky for us. There was a certain irony 
given that for the previous few minutes we’d been singing the one about “only 
getting shit refs…” 

Moving forward, we tried to pass our way through and sometimes there looked to 
be the promise of something developing with interplay between Austin, Doukara, 
Ajose and Sharp - Doukara, takes the ball well and lays it off nicely; he might 
have more pace that he appears to, because he gets by the opposition, or gets 
to the ball first when you don’t expect it. He’d took quite a lot of punishment 
in the first half, including a nasty scything chop just on half time - so he 
“gave it a go for 10 minutes” in the second before coming off for Tonge. 
Bringing Tonge on was a good call as he beefed up the midfield - and had been 
in good form in the pre-season. Our next change needed to involve brining Smith 
on to get about the defence, but instead it was Poleon, which really didn’t 
work.

in the second half we were pushed back and Silvestri did have to make a couple 
of sharp stops…he also dealt comfortably with the crosses slung in. 

On 75 minutes it looked like Sharp, who’d been busy without being special up to 
that point, had fluffed his lines, popping a free header 6 feet out just wide 
of the near post. Then with 2 minutes to go (of the 90) a ball is cut back to 
the edge of the box and Tonge belts it low and hard to the far corner, the 
keeper at full stretch palms it back into the midfield of the box, rather than 
out and Sharp, showing good poacher’s skills stabbed it over his outstretched 
leg and into the bottom corner in front of the Kop…and I bet he’ll take that 
for a debut. He went mental ran around with his shirt off and got a booking for 
his trouble.

Something like 6 minutes of tense injury time was played, but we hung on…

SILVESTRI - calm, solid, quietly efficient

BYRAM - he is a class act, but whether he’s out of position or not, he needs to 
get more involved…often peripheral

WARNOCK - blood and thunder - sometimes it works and sometimes it is dreadful 
foul…worked in the main today

COOPER - big, strong, decent in the air, read most of what he needed to do…not 
sure about the speed yet, but we’ll see. A tendency to wander upfield with the 
ball and lose it, but all-in-all a huge improvement on Wootton.

PEARCE - a good battling, all heart performance

AUSTIN - all around nuisance for Boro, tackle after tackle after tackle…decent 
distribution when played short and simply but still not up to much with the 
longer more adventurous stuff

MURPHY - also peripheral, the passing didn’t work, nevertheless he put in a 
shift

BIANCHI - always seems to have more time than his team mates; quality touch; 
needs to be on the ball more - guess he’s adjusting to the pace of the game

AJOSE - busy, nippy and lightweight

SHARP - the winning goal on the debut makes all the difference. Looks like he 
could make a go of a partnership with Doukara…needs good service and that might 
be the problem.

DOUKARA - I have hopes for this guy - strong, good control - a couple of goals 
in the league and he’ll be away.


subs:

Tonge - had more or less 35 minutes and certainly brought more shape and 

Re: [LU] 'boro

[Einar Solheim]

Agree with almost everything. Three observations:
1) the touch from Poleon to Tonge for the goal was good. 
2) Warnock was MOM. And I don't like Warnock. 
3) Austin ALWAYS passes backwards when under pressure. I guess it is better 
than giving it away, but we really need somebody a bit more clever in his 
position. 

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 I’ll take this for a win. 
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Re: [LU] 'boro

[nat...@sky.com]

Not the greatest game or the greatest performance ever BUT what a day, what a 
great result etc. We went with plenty of trepidation post Millwall and given 
all the plaudits Boro have had the first two weeks of the season, and we all 
pretty much agreed that 0 0 would be good and all we really wanted was some 
improvement and something to give us hope for the future. I am guessing most 
listers will have seen the game so I will keep it brief, We had an almost 
unbelievable start when Sharp was put through in the first minute and should 
have scored but the keeper got down well and the follow up shot by Ajose was 
cleared off the line. This coupled with the 'ultras' packing out the South 
Stand really cranked up the atmosphere and it never really subsided. After the 
early scare Boro took a bit of command and deservedly 'scored' midway through 
the half, however the ref gave pretty much the only decision all game our way 
and chalked it off (no real idea why) , they
 then came close with a free header, but that apart, despite them looking the 
better team and having more control of the game they did very little to trouble 
us with Cooper especially on his debut really looking the part. 2 brilliant 
goal saving tackles by Warnock having perhaps his best game in a white shirt 
kept it at 0 0. Then Sharp got his second good chance of the game but missed 
with a free header - Oh no , had he become barndoor Billy mark II - no , no 
need to worry, with the clock counting down Poleon won the ball and laid it off 
to Tonge who had a decent shot and the keeper spilled it to the feet of our new 
goal poacher Billy Sharp who fired it home (and got booked for over exuberant 
celebration) then came a nervy 5 extra minutes but we hung on for a great 
victory that was well celebrated by fans and players alike. Did we deserve all 
3 points, maybe not but we did not deserve to lose either.
We were by no means the finished article and there were times when our 
inexperience and lack of cohesion showed, but overall there were a lot more 
positives than negatives. Cooper looked like he was born for the role - will he 
turn into O'Brien, Tate and Zalilukas who all had great debuts before turning 
to sh!t, only time will tell, but he certainly impressed today. Bianchi on the 
ball looks good but went missing on occasion, Doukara needs to stay on his feet 
and punch his weight but showed some good stuff, Ajose buzzed around and also 
showed promise. Silvestri took more balls out of the air than Kenny ever did. 
Of the 'old guard' Byram looked a bit out of sorts but Warnock showed what he 
should be capable of.
Overall a brilliant day out - Hockadays substitution of Doukara (who took a 
knock) for Tonge rather than the expected Smith worked a treat, so fair play to 
him.

Too early to get excited but the players would have loved it today and it would 
have been an experience all the new players will want to see again, and it does 
take the pressure off a bit and give them all some breathing space. Those in 
the pub who sang we are going up as fing champions are probably jumping the gun 
but if we cannot enjoy today when can we ?

At the back of my mind is the first game last season when Murphy, the £1million 
 man, scored with the last kick of the game to send 30k fans home delirious and 
looking to the new GFH future under McDermott and we know how that turned out 
...But enjoy it while we can, a long way to go but as I said at the start a lot 
more positives than negatives. It maybe, just maybe, the start of something 
good 

Dave



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[LU] Boro

[Richard Walker]

Feel totally flat after watching a dire performance. Ok, a point away from home 
on the face of it aint bad but the result doesn't tell the truth. We deserved 
nothing, we were poor all over the park and completely devoid of attacking 
ideas. We could have played until the floods have dried up and still not 
scored. We have players who cannot do the basics, they are not comfortable on 
the ball and as a result give it away cheaply. 

The amount of times we seemed to have space going forward and we just turned 
attack into defence by sloppy play. Just about everyone was guilty at some 
point. 

My scores:

Buckland - 8. Our best player , nuff said. 

Peltier - 6. Not our worse player and actually did more going forward second 
half than Kebe 

Warnock - 4. He's playing like a clown at the moment - ridiculous challenges 
and clearances. 

Pearce - 6. Stuggled a bit today but still the best defender. 

Wooton - 3. Thought he was doing his usual marking thin air. 

Austin - 2. Bloody rubbish. Just got in the way. No quality whatsoever. 

Murphy - 5. Lots of effort but no quality at all. 

Stewart - 2. Doing step overs in your own half. This guy is a joke. 

Kebe - 3. Absolutely dire, no strength, when in good position failed. Just not 
good enough. 

Macca - 4. No strength, muscled off ball. 

Hunt - 3. Ditto Macca but with no ability. 

Subs:

Smith - 6. Probably did as much as anyone in 10 mins to unsettle them. I agree 
with Dave, Smith is shite, but at least he offers something different and I 
would play him. 

Overall, I thought this was a really poor performance. BMD doesn't seem to know 
what he's doing, there's no shape and no future in that team. Bring on the next 
LUFC era whatever that might be ? 
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Re: [LU] Boro

[David Woolmer]

Bit harsh on Murphy. Most good things we did came from him. Good performances 
from Butland, Pearce and Murphy. Everyone else deeply average. 

Sent from my iPad

 On 22 Feb 2014, at 15:56, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 
 Feel totally flat after watching a dire performance. Ok, a point away from 
 home on the face of it aint bad but the result doesn't tell the truth. We 
 deserved nothing, we were poor all over the park and completely devoid of 
 attacking ideas. We could have played until the floods have dried up and 
 still not scored. We have players who cannot do the basics, they are not 
 comfortable on the ball and as a result give it away cheaply. 
 
 The amount of times we seemed to have space going forward and we just turned 
 attack into defence by sloppy play. Just about everyone was guilty at some 
 point. 
 
 My scores:
 
 Buckland - 8. Our best player , nuff said. 
 
 Peltier - 6. Not our worse player and actually did more going forward second 
 half than Kebe 
 
 Warnock - 4. He's playing like a clown at the moment - ridiculous challenges 
 and clearances. 
 
 Pearce - 6. Stuggled a bit today but still the best defender. 
 
 Wooton - 3. Thought he was doing his usual marking thin air. 
 
 Austin - 2. Bloody rubbish. Just got in the way. No quality whatsoever. 
 
 Murphy - 5. Lots of effort but no quality at all. 
 
 Stewart - 2. Doing step overs in your own half. This guy is a joke. 
 
 Kebe - 3. Absolutely dire, no strength, when in good position failed. Just 
 not good enough. 
 
 Macca - 4. No strength, muscled off ball. 
 
 Hunt - 3. Ditto Macca but with no ability. 
 
 Subs:
 
 Smith - 6. Probably did as much as anyone in 10 mins to unsettle them. I 
 agree with Dave, Smith is shite, but at least he offers something different 
 and I would play him. 
 
 Overall, I thought this was a really poor performance. BMD doesn't seem to 
 know what he's doing, there's no shape and no future in that team. Bring on 
 the next LUFC era whatever that might be ? 
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Re: [LU] Boro

[Richard Walker]

What good things? He had one decent shot and then just lost possession or 
played long balls into touch, he was bloody awful ... Not the worst granted.

 On 22 Feb 2014, at 15:46, David Woolmer davidwool...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Bit harsh on Murphy. Most good things we did came from him. Good performances 
 from Butland, Pearce and Murphy. Everyone else deeply average. 
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 22 Feb 2014, at 15:56, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 
 Feel totally flat after watching a dire performance. Ok, a point away from 
 home on the face of it aint bad but the result doesn't tell the truth. We 
 deserved nothing, we were poor all over the park and completely devoid of 
 attacking ideas. We could have played until the floods have dried up and 
 still not scored. We have players who cannot do the basics, they are not 
 comfortable on the ball and as a result give it away cheaply. 
 
 The amount of times we seemed to have space going forward and we just turned 
 attack into defence by sloppy play. Just about everyone was guilty at some 
 point. 
 
 My scores:
 
 Buckland - 8. Our best player , nuff said. 
 
 Peltier - 6. Not our worse player and actually did more going forward second 
 half than Kebe 
 
 Warnock - 4. He's playing like a clown at the moment - ridiculous challenges 
 and clearances. 
 
 Pearce - 6. Stuggled a bit today but still the best defender. 
 
 Wooton - 3. Thought he was doing his usual marking thin air. 
 
 Austin - 2. Bloody rubbish. Just got in the way. No quality whatsoever. 
 
 Murphy - 5. Lots of effort but no quality at all. 
 
 Stewart - 2. Doing step overs in your own half. This guy is a joke. 
 
 Kebe - 3. Absolutely dire, no strength, when in good position failed. Just 
 not good enough. 
 
 Macca - 4. No strength, muscled off ball. 
 
 Hunt - 3. Ditto Macca but with no ability. 
 
 Subs:
 
 Smith - 6. Probably did as much as anyone in 10 mins to unsettle them. I 
 agree with Dave, Smith is shite, but at least he offers something different 
 and I would play him. 
 
 Overall, I thought this was a really poor performance. BMD doesn't seem to 
 know what he's doing, there's no shape and no future in that team. Bring on 
 the next LUFC era whatever that might be ? 
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Re: [LU] Boro

[David Woolmer]

He does play too many overweight long passes I agree - a problem accentuated by 
our lack of pace up front although in his defence I would also say other 
midfielders weren't making themselves available for shorter passes quickly 
enough - but I thought he made a lot of good challenges, was looking to get on 
the ball and when he did keep the passes shorter, was effective. 



 On 22 Feb 2014, at 17:29, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 
 What good things? He had one decent shot and then just lost possession or 
 played long balls into touch, he was bloody awful ... Not the worst granted.
 
 On 22 Feb 2014, at 15:46, David Woolmer davidwool...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Bit harsh on Murphy. Most good things we did came from him. Good 
 performances from Butland, Pearce and Murphy. Everyone else deeply average. 
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 22 Feb 2014, at 15:56, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 
 Feel totally flat after watching a dire performance. Ok, a point away from 
 home on the face of it aint bad but the result doesn't tell the truth. We 
 deserved nothing, we were poor all over the park and completely devoid of 
 attacking ideas. We could have played until the floods have dried up and 
 still not scored. We have players who cannot do the basics, they are not 
 comfortable on the ball and as a result give it away cheaply. 
 
 The amount of times we seemed to have space going forward and we just 
 turned attack into defence by sloppy play. Just about everyone was guilty 
 at some point. 
 
 My scores:
 
 Buckland - 8. Our best player , nuff said. 
 
 Peltier - 6. Not our worse player and actually did more going forward 
 second half than Kebe 
 
 Warnock - 4. He's playing like a clown at the moment - ridiculous 
 challenges and clearances. 
 
 Pearce - 6. Stuggled a bit today but still the best defender. 
 
 Wooton - 3. Thought he was doing his usual marking thin air. 
 
 Austin - 2. Bloody rubbish. Just got in the way. No quality whatsoever. 
 
 Murphy - 5. Lots of effort but no quality at all. 
 
 Stewart - 2. Doing step overs in your own half. This guy is a joke. 
 
 Kebe - 3. Absolutely dire, no strength, when in good position failed. Just 
 not good enough. 
 
 Macca - 4. No strength, muscled off ball. 
 
 Hunt - 3. Ditto Macca but with no ability. 
 
 Subs:
 
 Smith - 6. Probably did as much as anyone in 10 mins to unsettle them. I 
 agree with Dave, Smith is shite, but at least he offers something different 
 and I would play him. 
 
 Overall, I thought this was a really poor performance. BMD doesn't seem to 
 know what he's doing, there's no shape and no future in that team. Bring on 
 the next LUFC era whatever that might be ? 
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Re: [LU] Boro

[Phill Shields]

Just thankful we had But land in goal today or we would have got what we 
deserved. Zip.

On Feb 22, 2014 4:55 PM, David Woolmer davidwool...@gmail.com wrote:
He does play too many overweight long passes I agree - a problem accentuated by 
our lack of pace up front although in his defence I would also say other 
midfielders weren't making themselves available for shorter passes quickly 
enough - but I thought he made a lot of good challenges, was looking to get on 
the ball and when he did keep the passes shorter, was effective.



 On 22 Feb 2014, at 17:29, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 What good things? He had one decent shot and then just lost possession or 
 played long balls into touch, he was bloody awful ... Not the worst granted.

 On 22 Feb 2014, at 15:46, David Woolmer davidwool...@gmail.com wrote:

 Bit harsh on Murphy. Most good things we did came from him. Good 
 performances from Butland, Pearce and Murphy. Everyone else deeply average.

 Sent from my iPad

 On 22 Feb 2014, at 15:56, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 Feel totally flat after watching a dire performance. Ok, a point away from 
 home on the face of it aint bad but the result doesn't tell the truth. We 
 deserved nothing, we were poor all over the park and completely devoid of 
 attacking ideas. We could have played until the floods have dried up and 
 still not scored. We have players who cannot do the basics, they are not 
 comfortable on the ball and as a result give it away cheaply.

 The amount of times we seemed to have space going forward and we just 
 turned attack into defence by sloppy play. Just about everyone was guilty 
 at some point.

 My scores:

 Buckland - 8. Our best player , nuff said.

 Peltier - 6. Not our worse player and actually did more going forward 
 second half than Kebe

 Warnock - 4. He's playing like a clown at the moment - ridiculous 
 challenges and clearances.

 Pearce - 6. Stuggled a bit today but still the best defender.

 Wooton - 3. Thought he was doing his usual marking thin air.

 Austin - 2. Bloody rubbish. Just got in the way. No quality whatsoever.

 Murphy - 5. Lots of effort but no quality at all.

 Stewart - 2. Doing step overs in your own half. This guy is a joke.

 Kebe - 3. Absolutely dire, no strength, when in good position failed. Just 
 not good enough.

 Macca - 4. No strength, muscled off ball.

 Hunt - 3. Ditto Macca but with no ability.

 Subs:

 Smith - 6. Probably did as much as anyone in 10 mins to unsettle them. I 
 agree with Dave, Smith is shite, but at least he offers something different 
 and I would play him.

 Overall, I thought this was a really poor performance. BMD doesn't seem to 
 know what he's doing, there's no shape and no future in that team. Bring on 
 the next LUFC era whatever that might be ?
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Re: [LU] Boro report

[Scott1cairns1]

Thx Dave,
In

Best regards,Scott. 

 On 23 Nov 2013, at 21:54, nat...@sky.com nat...@sky.com wrote:
 
 Another 3 points in the bag, 4 straight victories and into a play off 
 position  and all in front of a crowd of over 30,000. So I should be buzzing 
 and very happy, but for some reason today was a bit unsatisfactory. Not 
 really sure why, since we were deserved victors and did play well at times 
 but I am not 100% content. Normally I have a pretty simplistic view of things 
 - if we lose things are bad , if we win things are good. 
 To be honest I think what is bugging me is the fact that even though we were 
 1 up at half time and they were down to 10 men, we did not go on and give 
 them the hammering I expected - instead we ended up time wasting and putting 
 the ball into the corners with almost 10 minutes to go, and had to get a 
 winner having let them back into it.
 
 Perhaps I am being a bit unfair - their sub keeper was their best player and 
 made one outstanding save plus a couple of other decent ones, Blackstock 
 missed a sitter, Mowatt nearly scored and Rody had a header just wide, 
 whereas. apart from the goal, I can only recall Kenny making one save and 
 that was an easy one.
 
 We started brightly and McDermott showed he is a good man manager by keeping 
 faith with Pugh and Peltier who did well last time out but showed he is also 
 a sensible one in bringing back Mowatt for Brown. Not too much happened in 
 the first half hour apart from a cracking shot by Pugh and then Blackstock 
 fluffed a good chance. Then on the half hour a corner was headed back across 
 goal from the back post by Lees and McCormack headed home from close range. I 
 thought we were going to get a penalty from a deliberate hand ball that 
 looked from the Kop to be well inside the box but the ref gave us a free kick 
 just outside. The ref got it right shortly after when the keeper came running 
 out of the box and took Blackstock out of the game . My immediate reaction 
 was 'It's got to be a red, that is a definite sending off and the ref agreed 
 and off went the keeper.
 That should have been the key to us romping home in the second half in front 
 of a lively crowd -a  crowd who were persuaded into an 11 minute 'O gary 
 gary, gary speed' song as his picture and dates came on the scoreboard on the 
 11th to 22nd minute to commemerate the 2nd year of his death ( a bit over the 
 top for my taste but each to their own)
 Second half we did not really get going and a quick break  and flowing move 
 from them ended with a good finish and we looked like we could be throwing it 
 away. Thankfully we got back in front fairly quickly when a lovely bit of 
 skill by Peltier was topped off by a great cross that was headed home by 
 Pearce.
 We came close to extending the lead on a couple of occasions but good keeping 
 and poor finishing kept them in it even though I never really thought we 
 would lose. For some reason we then panicked a bit and with plenty of time to 
 go we started to waste time and twice we took the ball into the corner rather 
 than trying to go for the third.
 Whether that was the right way of doing things or not we came off with the 3 
 points and so it was job done.
 
 For me the bright points were Marius and Mowatt. Marius looked totally 
 commanding at the back and seems to have a touch of class. Mowatt - get him 
 signed asap and have one of those 'it will cost you £10million to talk to 
 him' clauses in his new contract. He really does look the business - best 
 young player since Fabian Delph (even better than Byram for my money) He is 
 going to be a real star at the highest level.
 Lees and Pearce also did well putting themselves on the line a few times. 
 Rody continued his current run of good form, and Pugh, Peltier , Kenny and 
 McCormack all did what was expected of them. Murphy was very quiet but did 
 the simple things well. The only one who was below par was Blackstock - I 
 don't see what he offers that we cannot get from Varney, Hunt or Smith. 
 Having said that since he linked up with Ross, Ross has got 7 goals in 3 
 games.
 
 So, despite my slight misgivngs, a good result and a decent performance. I 
 have said all season that if we can stay around the play off places I will 
 judge it as being a success and today has put us into the top 6 so we are 
 where I hoped we would be. McDermott continues to impress as a manager and he 
 has the support of the crowd, a crowd that is slowly coming back in good 
 numbers and who are now backing the team instead of getting on their back. 
 Good times are around the corner (at last)
 
 Dave
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[LU] Boro Becchio

[Matt Anderson]

This is the one day we need Becchio! He always scores against them.

Anyway, it's my boro fan colleagues's cup final today. He always talks about it 
as a Yorkshire rivalry. They have also got 2500 fans coming their biggest 
away following. They hate us

I have honestly never given a toss about boro. Indeed, I don't mind them and 
have always thought of them as the best of the north east 3.

Does anyone hate boro for local rivalry reasons or is this the most one sided 
hatred ever??


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Re: [LU] Boro Becchio

[Jim Moran]

Same with all Yorkshire rivalries. The reason they hate us so much is because 
we couldn't give a shit about it. Winds them up.

--

 On 23 Nov 2013, at 08:32, Matt Anderson m...@leeds-united.net wrote:
 
 This is the one day we need Becchio! He always scores against them.
 
 Anyway, it's my boro fan colleagues's cup final today. He always talks about 
 it as a Yorkshire rivalry. They have also got 2500 fans coming their 
 biggest away following. They hate us
 
 I have honestly never given a toss about boro. Indeed, I don't mind them and 
 have always thought of them as the best of the north east 3.
 
 Does anyone hate boro for local rivalry reasons or is this the most one sided 
 hatred ever??
 
 
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Re: [LU] Boro Becchio

[Matt Anderson]

I don't like Bradford and Huddersfield. But never classed boro as Yorkshire or 
rivals! 

Did anyone see Huddersfield selling tickets on Groupon! Small time!

Sent from my iPad

 On 23 Nov 2013, at 08:35, Jim Moran j...@jimmoran.co.uk wrote:
 
 Same with all Yorkshire rivalries. The reason they hate us so much is because 
 we couldn't give a shit about it. Winds them up.
 
 --
 
 On 23 Nov 2013, at 08:32, Matt Anderson m...@leeds-united.net wrote:
 
 This is the one day we need Becchio! He always scores against them.
 
 Anyway, it's my boro fan colleagues's cup final today. He always talks about 
 it as a Yorkshire rivalry. They have also got 2500 fans coming their 
 biggest away following. They hate us
 
 I have honestly never given a toss about boro. Indeed, I don't mind them and 
 have always thought of them as the best of the north east 3.
 
 Does anyone hate boro for local rivalry reasons or is this the most one 
 sided hatred ever??
 
 
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Re: [LU] Boro Becchio

[Peter Castlehouse]

It's County Durham isn't it?   Certainly not a Yorkshire side

-Original Message-
From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On
Behalf Of Matt Anderson
Sent: Saturday, 23 November 2013 7:33 PM
To: Leeds List
Subject: [LU] Boro  Becchio

This is the one day we need Becchio! He always scores against them.

Anyway, it's my boro fan colleagues's cup final today. He always talks about
it as a Yorkshire rivalry. They have also got 2500 fans coming their
biggest away following. They hate us

I have honestly never given a toss about boro. Indeed, I don't mind them and
have always thought of them as the best of the north east 3.

Does anyone hate boro for local rivalry reasons or is this the most one
sided hatred ever??


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Re: [LU] Boro Becchio

[Paul Cundell]

No, Middlesbrough is in Yorkshire. YCCC used to play there. Tories in the 70's 
moved it to Cleveland but honestly who's ever heard of Cleveland?
Cheers

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Re: [LU] Boro Becchio

[Jim Moran]

Nonsense. Very much part of the historic north riding of Yorkshire. 

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 It's County Durham isn't it?   Certainly not a Yorkshire side
 
 -Original Message-
 From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On
 Behalf Of Matt Anderson
 Sent: Saturday, 23 November 2013 7:33 PM
 To: Leeds List
 Subject: [LU] Boro  Becchio
 
 This is the one day we need Becchio! He always scores against them.
 
 Anyway, it's my boro fan colleagues's cup final today. He always talks about
 it as a Yorkshire rivalry. They have also got 2500 fans coming their
 biggest away following. They hate us
 
 I have honestly never given a toss about boro. Indeed, I don't mind them and
 have always thought of them as the best of the north east 3.
 
 Does anyone hate boro for local rivalry reasons or is this the most one
 sided hatred ever??
 
 
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Re: [LU] Boro Becchio

[Nigel Sykes]

 It's County Durham isn't it?   Certainly not a Yorkshire side

I must admit that the first time I was at a Leeds v Middlesboro game, I was
surprised and puzzled to hear that they sang the YRA... song, as I hadn't
appreciated the historic boundary shifting nonsense...

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

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Re: [LU] Boro Becchio

[matt]

Was yorkshire but definitely not a yorkshire feel to the place
 
--Original Message--
From: Peter Castlehouse
To: 'Matt Anderson'
To: Leeds List
Subject: RE: [LU] Boro  Becchio
Sent: 23 Nov 2013 09:18

It's County Durham isn't it?   Certainly not a Yorkshire side

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Behalf Of Matt Anderson
Sent: Saturday, 23 November 2013 7:33 PM
To: Leeds List
Subject: [LU] Boro  Becchio

This is the one day we need Becchio! He always scores against them.

Anyway, it's my boro fan colleagues's cup final today. He always talks about
it as a Yorkshire rivalry. They have also got 2500 fans coming their
biggest away following. They hate us

I have honestly never given a toss about boro. Indeed, I don't mind them and
have always thought of them as the best of the north east 3.

Does anyone hate boro for local rivalry reasons or is this the most one
sided hatred ever??


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Re: [LU] Boro Becchio

[Ian Murray]

North Riding mate. Jesus guys boro is defo Yorkshire. 

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 On 23 Nov 2013, at 17:18, Peter Castlehouse dubca...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 It's County Durham isn't it?   Certainly not a Yorkshire side
 
 -Original Message-
 From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On
 Behalf Of Matt Anderson
 Sent: Saturday, 23 November 2013 7:33 PM
 To: Leeds List
 Subject: [LU] Boro  Becchio
 
 This is the one day we need Becchio! He always scores against them.
 
 Anyway, it's my boro fan colleagues's cup final today. He always talks about
 it as a Yorkshire rivalry. They have also got 2500 fans coming their
 biggest away following. They hate us
 
 I have honestly never given a toss about boro. Indeed, I don't mind them and
 have always thought of them as the best of the north east 3.
 
 Does anyone hate boro for local rivalry reasons or is this the most one
 sided hatred ever??
 
 
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Re: [LU] Boro Becchio

[Peter Castlehouse]

haha - you lot are great, it certainly feels good sometimes on match days to
stir up the crowd
I know it's in feckin Yorkshire, but the list has been dead for days so I
thought I'd stir you all a bit

3-3 draw today
OzPete

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From: Ian Murray [mailto:ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, 23 November 2013 10:22 PM
To: Peter Castlehouse
Cc: Matt Anderson; Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] Boro  Becchio

North Riding mate. Jesus guys boro is defo Yorkshire. 

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wrote:
 
 It's County Durham isn't it?   Certainly not a Yorkshire side
 
 -Original Message-
 From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org 
 [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Matt Anderson
 Sent: Saturday, 23 November 2013 7:33 PM
 To: Leeds List
 Subject: [LU] Boro  Becchio
 
 This is the one day we need Becchio! He always scores against them.
 
 Anyway, it's my boro fan colleagues's cup final today. He always talks 
 about it as a Yorkshire rivalry. They have also got 2500 fans coming 
 their biggest away following. They hate us
 
 I have honestly never given a toss about boro. Indeed, I don't mind 
 them and have always thought of them as the best of the north east 3.
 
 Does anyone hate boro for local rivalry reasons or is this the most 
 one sided hatred ever??
 
 
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[LU] Boro report

[nat...@sky.com]

Another 3 points in the bag, 4 straight victories and into a play off position  
and all in front of a crowd of over 30,000. So I should be buzzing and very 
happy, but for some reason today was a bit unsatisfactory. Not really sure why, 
since we were deserved victors and did play well at times but I am not 100% 
content. Normally I have a pretty simplistic view of things - if we lose things 
are bad , if we win things are good. 
To be honest I think what is bugging me is the fact that even though we were 1 
up at half time and they were down to 10 men, we did not go on and give them 
the hammering I expected - instead we ended up time wasting and putting the 
ball into the corners with almost 10 minutes to go, and had to get a winner 
having let them back into it.

Perhaps I am being a bit unfair - their sub keeper was their best player and 
made one outstanding save plus a couple of other decent ones, Blackstock missed 
a sitter, Mowatt nearly scored and Rody had a header just wide, whereas. apart 
from the goal, I can only recall Kenny making one save and that was an easy one.

We started brightly and McDermott showed he is a good man manager by keeping 
faith with Pugh and Peltier who did well last time out but showed he is also a 
sensible one in bringing back Mowatt for Brown. Not too much happened in the 
first half hour apart from a cracking shot by Pugh and then Blackstock fluffed 
a good chance. Then on the half hour a corner was headed back across goal from 
the back post by Lees and McCormack headed home from close range. I thought we 
were going to get a penalty from a deliberate hand ball that looked from the 
Kop to be well inside the box but the ref gave us a free kick just outside. The 
ref got it right shortly after when the keeper came running out of the box and 
took Blackstock out of the game . My immediate reaction was 'It's got to be a 
red, that is a definite sending off and the ref agreed and off went the keeper.
That should have been the key to us romping home in the second half in front of 
a lively crowd -a  crowd who were persuaded into an 11 minute 'O gary gary, 
gary speed' song as his picture and dates came on the scoreboard on the 11th to 
22nd minute to commemerate the 2nd year of his death ( a bit over the top for 
my taste but each to their own)
Second half we did not really get going and a quick break  and flowing move 
from them ended with a good finish and we looked like we could be throwing it 
away. Thankfully we got back in front fairly quickly when a lovely bit of skill 
by Peltier was topped off by a great cross that was headed home by Pearce.
We came close to extending the lead on a couple of occasions but good keeping 
and poor finishing kept them in it even though I never really thought we would 
lose. For some reason we then panicked a bit and with plenty of time to go we 
started to waste time and twice we took the ball into the corner rather than 
trying to go for the third.
Whether that was the right way of doing things or not we came off with the 3 
points and so it was job done.

For me the bright points were Marius and Mowatt. Marius looked totally 
commanding at the back and seems to have a touch of class. Mowatt - get him 
signed asap and have one of those 'it will cost you £10million to talk to him' 
clauses in his new contract. He really does look the business - best young 
player since Fabian Delph (even better than Byram for my money) He is going to 
be a real star at the highest level.
Lees and Pearce also did well putting themselves on the line a few times. Rody 
continued his current run of good form, and Pugh, Peltier , Kenny and McCormack 
all did what was expected of them. Murphy was very quiet but did the simple 
things well. The only one who was below par was Blackstock - I don't see what 
he offers that we cannot get from Varney, Hunt or Smith. Having said that since 
he linked up with Ross, Ross has got 7 goals in 3 games.

So, despite my slight misgivngs, a good result and a decent performance. I have 
said all season that if we can stay around the play off places I will judge it 
as being a success and today has put us into the top 6 so we are where I hoped 
we would be. McDermott continues to impress as a manager and he has the support 
of the crowd, a crowd that is slowly coming back in good numbers and who are 
now backing the team instead of getting on their back. Good times are around 
the corner (at last)

Dave
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[LU] Boro

[DAVID NATTAN]

Although it is 2 defeats in 2 I felt pretty good coming away from ER.I thought 
that we played very well in parts and all the players gave it everything they 
had - epitomised by 3 defenders all throwing themselves at the ball in the last 
few minutes, over and over Bromby and Kisnorbo put themselves on the line - 
good to see when our defence has been so soft recently.The keeper did well, one 
tip over from close range being a great save, and he looked assured at corners 
etc rather than just flapping at them a la Caspers x 2.Clayton really is a 
revelation - whether SG has played a master stroke keeping him out of the team 
until now,or missed a chance of promotion last season by not playing him ahead 
of Livermore and Bannan, I am not sure - but he does look a class above. His 
audacious and well executed chip nearly got him goal of the season, if that had 
been Kilkenny it would not have happened.I was a bit worried when I saw that 
the back 4 were all centre
 halves - happened last season / season before when Lowry and Bromby were full 
backs, but yesterday we did look pretty solid. I too would prefer to see Lees 
at centre half, learning from KIsnorbo,but Bromby did well yesterday. Like 
others, not over impressed with O'Dea but he did ok.We do really need to get 
some support for McCormack up front -he ran about a lot and put in the effort 
(as well as throwing himself to the floor at every opportunity) but he is not a 
lone striker (oh for the return of Luciano ?!?!?)So where did it go wrong then 
yesterday ? The ref and a studpidity by our players. In the first couple of 
minutes Max and the defender clashed - the ref, lino and probably all the fans 
in the ground missed what happened in the ensuing handbags but the ref instead 
of just telling the players off and saying he would look later to see if a 
punch etc had been thrown, took the stupid decision to book both, even though 
he did not know if both were to
 blame. Soon after one of theirs hacked down Clayton(?) after he got past him - 
100% booking, so it was stupid of Max to make a similar diving in tackle soon 
after -most around me thought it was not a foul but we are pretty blinkered - 
so a card for Max and down to 10.  Then just before half time Howson powered 
past the Boro player who put his arm accross him and Howson went down like he 
had been shot holding his face - I was disgusted with him,but it worked and the 
ref showed the Boro player a 2nd yellow so 10 v 10 for the second half. Howson 
got himself booked 'taking one for the team' - player on a run and he took him 
out - simple. Then one of theirs has the ball just inside our half and was 
breaking forward - a long way from goal but no-one ahead of him. Howson went 
near him and he fell to the floor - ref gave free kick to us and looked ready 
to book the Boro player who was rolling on the ground. I said that it was a 
strange thing to do, take a dive
 in such a situation and it showed the lad had no confidence in himself, we 
were arguing the point when we saw the ref seem to change his mind and reverse 
the decision as to the free kick and booked Howson for the foul. I need to see 
it again to know if that was right (my frrst thought before the ref blew was 
that Howson had fouled him) but the ref made a total mess of it. It seems 
according to SG that the 4th official got him to change the decision but surely 
that is not legal ?So down to 9 v 10 and despite some heroics we just could not 
keep them out and / or force  a goal ourselves despite sending the keeper up 
for a couple of last minute corners.So a depressing result but a heart warming 
performance.Whether the performance will be a confidence booster or if being 
one and then 2 men down for so long will lead to tired legs on Tuesday I am not 
sure - with Max and Howson then being out for West Ham away it could easily 
become 4 defeats in the first 4
 games - not the start we need.Zac Thompson came on as a sub - some think that 
it was a message from SG to Bates on how small the squad is - whatever the 
reason he did not look up to much (though far far too early to write him off). 
White was about to be brought on before Howson got sent off so maybe he does 
figure in our plans.As for the anti Bates protest - it seemed poorly attended 
and pretty futile. Like RIch I don't think the anti Bates chants during the 
game help the team at all, so although in favour of the sentiments I pretty 
much did not join in apart from a couple of times.
Re Bates in general my son was asked to get involved in Risdale v Bates on the 
Scracthing Shed site - he took Bates side for the sake of the debate (though 
his last line kind of shows that he is not a Bates 
fan)http://www.thescratchingshed.com/2011/08/face-off-ken-bates-v-peter-ridsdale/Not
 a bad read
Dave
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[LU] Boro -v Swansea

[DAVID DOWDEN]

how the chuff did boro loose 4-3 and let Swansea get 3 points,
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[LU] Boro

[Richard Walker]

Simon Grayson frustrates me. Nobody question the great job he has done at Leeds 
and the team so far have exceeded expectations in this league. So how come his 
team selections are so poor at times ? You really do have to question him ? How 
can you continue to pick Neil Collins when we are conceding goal after goal 
that 
are directly attributable to him. We’ve conceded far too many goals this 
season. 
Boro’s first goal just wasn’t defended at all. Becchio and Collins were marking 
the Boro attacker and neither could win the ball leaving the Boro player the 
easiest of chances. Now I know Becchio rarely wins a header but Collins has no 
excuses, just bloody poor defending. 

 
The first half was probably the worse we have played this season. Without 
anyone 
in the centre of the park with the nouse to play simple, effective balls we 
were 
lost. It was left time and time again to Bradley Johnson who treated us to his 
array of excellent long balls and shots. He’s just a terrible footballer. 
Gradel 
was lost without McCartney making runs and space for him. He can’t do it on his 
own and the contribution from McCartney shouldn’t be underestimated. Hughes 
isn’t an option at this level in my opinion.  
 
Others weren’t at the races either – Snodgrass , Gradel and McCormack all tried 
but nothing really happened and Becchio just contributed nothing other than 
falling over a couple of times. He was absolute garbage today. 

 
Everyone near me expected a change immediately at half-time. Not Simon, he 
likes 
to stick to his formula but what a waste of 10 minutes before he put Kilkenny 
on. Before you know it we’ve got all the possession in the world but the clock 
says 75 minutes and Boro are defending like mad. It really didn’t need to be 
this way. 

 
Sam came on for Gradel and Johnson went to left back to replace the departing 
Hughes. We were immediately a different team. With Kilkenny’s first touch he 
played an intelligent ball inside to McCormack who was hacked down giving us a 
free kick in a dangerous position. It didn’t come to much but we took over 
possession and started to dominate. Kilkenny went to get the ball, pushed it 
forward 10 yards to Howson, Sam or Snodgrass – it’s not the hardest football 
skill in the world but it’s bloody effective and others just don’t have that 
ability (Howson or Johnson). Boro also helped us by sitting back but also 
frustrated us by putting 11 men behind the ball. 

 
It was only a matter of time when the goal came as we were beginning to create 
some really good chances, the best falling to Watt who seemed to put it wide 
with no keeper in sight. I’d like to see it again but it looked to me to be a 
really, really bad miss. The goal was a similar to the Palace game , we got 
them 
on the break after they had just missed their best and only real chance of the 
second half, it came out to Becchio on the edge of the box, the keeper was 
stranded however Becchio still had quite a lot to do and he did really well 
dispatching the ball into the empty net. His only contribution to the game but 
a 
good one nevertheless. 

 
Could we win it ? Definitely and we should have. Watt put over a cross to an 
unmarked McCormack who from 5 yards headed wide. Terrible miss. I’ve heard on 
the radio since he was off-side but so what he should have buried it and you 
have to wonder where is goal is coming from ? 

 
I think overall we maybe deserved a draw although we were very second best in a 
very poor first half. If Kilkenny had started and Bruce playing alongside 
O’Brien I think we would have won this game. I also think Somma up front would 
have frightened the life out of them. Becchio doesn’t offer enough for my 
liking. Still unbeaten in 12 now is it ? Must not grumble. 

 
Scores:
 
Scmiechel – 6. No Chance with the goal and didn’t have a lot to do to be honest.
 
Connolly – 4. Poor defending, poor game. 
 
Hughes – 3. Not a left back , never will be – no help to Gradel going forward.  
 
Collins – 4. Bad defending for their goal. Just very, very shaky. Cannot 
understand why he is in the team ? One or two good tackles that I’ll give him 
credit for but when the heat is on he’s lacking. 

 
O’Brien – 5. Doesn’t look the same player when partnered with Collins – who 
would ? I reckon Bobby Moore would have struggled with that twat. 

 
Howson – 6. Not happy playing deep in midfield alongside Johnson – all our best 
performances are when Kilkenny plays alongside Howson – can’t Grayson see that 
? 
Howson however lets himself down with his simple game. He needs to do the 
simple 
things better – he should study Kilkenny. 

 
Johnson – 3. Terrible. Same old, same old. Can’t pass. What a load of shite he 
is at times. Moved to left back and did ok but everytime he got the ball he 
wasted it. Premiership – you are having a laugh !
 
McCormack – 6. Lively at times but missed his sitter and was in and out of the 
game. His strike partner didn’t help him much today though. I’d