Re: [LU] Charlton

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 it's all going tits up. U23s beaten today by Crewe. 
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Re: [LU] Charlton

[seanscribe--- via Leedslist]

This has been the problem since (roughly) Christmas, if not earlier, last 
season. The bottom line is that the players upon whom Bielsa relies to win the 
ball and keep possession for 90 minutes - the superbly fit, strong players like 
Harrison, Klich, Forshaw, Alioski (and I'd even include Bamford) - are not the 
players who will create loads of good chances, let alone put them away. Forshaw 
hasn't scored for three years! To include more creative, chance-making and 
taking players - Nketiah, Clarke, Costa - in the first XI, Bielsa would have to 
accept a lower percentage of possession. This is something he's clearly 
unwilling to do.
One partial solution to the problem would be to fix our corners. There's been a 
lot of talk about our "problem" conceding from set pieces, but as we've let in 
fewer goals than any other team in the division, this "problem" is only 
relative. If we turned the same percentage of our corners into goals as we 
concede from the opposition's corners, we'd win every game. But Bielsa, for all 
his magic, doesn't seem interested in doing anything other than have Phillips 
thump the ball into the middle of the box for the opposition to head out. I 
can't understand why we don't try short corner routines with 
Pablo/Costa/Clarke/Shackleton playing one-twos along the byline, then sending a 
low, dangerous cross fizzing into the six-yard box.
Cheers!
Sean

-Original Message-
From: John Lee via Leedslist 
To: Ted 
Cc: leedslist 
Sent: Sun, Sep 29, 2019 5:29 pm
Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton

Am I imagining this, or did Bielsa not say at the end of last season that he 
didn’t think these players could do it all again? I think he was using it as 
‘motivation’ when trying to win the last few games, but maybe he was near the 
mark? 

I still think most of our play is enough to get us up, but the approach to 
goal, whether via crossing, shooting or trying to pass it through 7 man 
defences, is THE problem. I don’t even think it’s the ‘fault’ of individual 
players (although Harrison’s crossing drives me nuts!), but the system. That is 
down to the manager, and he has to get to grips with it, otherwise ...



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> On 28 Sep 2019, at 17:48, Ted  wrote:
> 
> I really don't know what the answer is!
> 
> We dominate games with great football (at times), but it just isn't going
> for us!
> 
> I just think, more of the same and it might click. Other than spending
> millions in Jan (which we don't have), what is the answer?
> 
> Saying that, these last 2 seasons have been a lot more entertaining than
> most of the previous 14 - and I suppose at the end of the day I pay to be
> entertained!
> 
> So I'll just keep the faith and believe in Bielsa!
> 
> (By the way, Man City's away kit?)
> 
> Ted H
> 
> 
> On Sat, 28 Sep 2019, 17:39 Richard Walker via Leedslist, <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
> 
>> No doubt we'll hear Bielsa trot out the usual we had the possession and
>> chances to win and there's an argument for that although I thought today
>> was a disaster both in our performance and the manager's tactics.
>> At half-time he did what a lot of fans have been asking for and played 2
>> up front with Bamford and Eddie but then quickly abadoned that and took off
>> Bamford and put on Roberts. In that seccond half we were all over the shop
>> and yes Bielsa did go for a Plan B but it's obvious that he doesn't like
>> doing it but more importantly it's obvious he hasn't a clue what the hell
>> is going on when he's playing. Instructions were being handed to the
>> players by paper and Bielsa and his entourage were all pacing around arms
>> in the air frustrated for most of the second half. We had no central
>> midfield in that 2nd half. Philips sat deep in a back 3 but everytime he
>> got the ball he had no outlet in front of him. All out play had to come
>> down the wings and that just didn't happen today. Helder Costa has been
>> most fans choice to start but today's performance maybe tells you why he
>> hasn't. He was bloody awful. Little chips, dinks, crosses - all to a red
>> shirt and he was unable to take on his man. A real luxury player today we
>> could have done without.
>> On the other wing you've got Harrison, who arguably was are most effective
>> player - he was ineffective but he saw more of the ball and got into more
>> good positions than anyone,
>> Charlton were poor but they had a bit of pace and lots of fight in them
>> and they frustrated the hell out of us. Second half was appalling time
>> wasting but we could have still be playing all night and wouldn't have
>> scored today.
>> We ended the game with a left and right winger who can't cross a ball, two
>> players who are not match fit (Forsha

Re: [LU] Charlton

[nigel]

Yep.  I completely agree.  It is very frustrating that the problems which 
stymied us last season remain our problems today.  The answer?  Someone who can 
get the byline and get a good cross in, without giving the defence time to set 
themselves would seem to be the obvious need.  At the moment, a large 
percentage of our attacks end up with Harrison, who both takes too long to so 
anything with it, and then inevitably his final ball is useless.

I'd prefer to see us a) build from both sides (quickly), and in the short term 
at least I'd try Alioski on the left wing and put our actual left back, Douglas 
in at left back!  If Alioski can manage to keep onside (unlikely I know), then 
I think he'd be more likely to get that pacey, accurate cross in. 

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

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To: Ted 
Cc: leedslist 
Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton

Am I imagining this, or did Bielsa not say at the end of last season that he 
didn’t think these players could do it all again? I think he was using it as 
‘motivation’ when trying to win the last few games, but maybe he was near the 
mark? 

I still think most of our play is enough to get us up, but the approach to 
goal, whether via crossing, shooting or trying to pass it through 7 man 
defences, is THE problem. I don’t even think it’s the ‘fault’ of individual 
players (although Harrison’s crossing drives me nuts!), but the system. That is 
down to the manager, and he has to get to grips with it, otherwise ...



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> On 28 Sep 2019, at 17:48, Ted  wrote:
> 
> I really don't know what the answer is!
> 
> We dominate games with great football (at times), but it just isn't 
> going for us!
> 
> I just think, more of the same and it might click. Other than spending 
> millions in Jan (which we don't have), what is the answer?
> 
> Saying that, these last 2 seasons have been a lot more entertaining 
> than most of the previous 14 - and I suppose at the end of the day I 
> pay to be entertained!
> 
> So I'll just keep the faith and believe in Bielsa!
> 
> (By the way, Man City's away kit?)
> 
> Ted H
> 
> 
> On Sat, 28 Sep 2019, 17:39 Richard Walker via Leedslist, < 
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
> 
>> No doubt we'll hear Bielsa trot out the usual we had the possession 
>> and chances to win and there's an argument for that although I 
>> thought today was a disaster both in our performance and the manager's 
>> tactics.
>> At half-time he did what a lot of fans have been asking for and 
>> played 2 up front with Bamford and Eddie but then quickly abadoned 
>> that and took off Bamford and put on Roberts. In that seccond half we 
>> were all over the shop and yes Bielsa did go for a Plan B but it's 
>> obvious that he doesn't like doing it but more importantly it's 
>> obvious he hasn't a clue what the hell is going on when he's playing. 
>> Instructions were being handed to the players by paper and Bielsa and 
>> his entourage were all pacing around arms in the air frustrated for 
>> most of the second half. We had no central midfield in that 2nd half. 
>> Philips sat deep in a back 3 but everytime he got the ball he had no 
>> outlet in front of him. All out play had to come down the wings and 
>> that just didn't happen today. Helder Costa has been most fans choice 
>> to start but today's performance maybe tells you why he hasn't. He 
>> was bloody awful. Little chips, dinks, crosses - all to a red shirt 
>> and he was unable to take on his man. A real luxury player today we could 
>> have done without.
>> On the other wing you've got Harrison, who arguably was are most 
>> effective player - he was ineffective but he saw more of the ball and 
>> got into more good positions than anyone, Charlton were poor but they 
>> had a bit of pace and lots of fight in them and they frustrated the 
>> hell out of us. Second half was appalling time wasting but we could 
>> have still be playing all night and wouldn't have scored today.
>> We ended the game with a left and right winger who can't cross a 
>> ball, two players who are not match fit (Forshaw and Roberts) and a 
>> midfielder in Klich who has just completely forgotten how to shoot. 
>> He was the biggest disappointment today for me and I think his position 
>> should be rethought.
>> Is it all falling apart ? No. but today there was panic and confusion 
>> around the team and the way we just stopped playing through midfield 
>> second half was terrible. Bielsa will no doubt point to the fact that 
>> an extra attacker means being less effective in midfield - yes I get 
>> that but being totally ineffect

Re: [LU] Charlton

[John Lee via Leedslist]

Am I imagining this, or did Bielsa not say at the end of last season that he 
didn’t think these players could do it all again? I think he was using it as 
‘motivation’ when trying to win the last few games, but maybe he was near the 
mark? 

I still think most of our play is enough to get us up, but the approach to 
goal, whether via crossing, shooting or trying to pass it through 7 man 
defences, is THE problem. I don’t even think it’s the ‘fault’ of individual 
players (although Harrison’s crossing drives me nuts!), but the system. That is 
down to the manager, and he has to get to grips with it, otherwise ...



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> On 28 Sep 2019, at 17:48, Ted  wrote:
> 
> I really don't know what the answer is!
> 
> We dominate games with great football (at times), but it just isn't going
> for us!
> 
> I just think, more of the same and it might click. Other than spending
> millions in Jan (which we don't have), what is the answer?
> 
> Saying that, these last 2 seasons have been a lot more entertaining than
> most of the previous 14 - and I suppose at the end of the day I pay to be
> entertained!
> 
> So I'll just keep the faith and believe in Bielsa!
> 
> (By the way, Man City's away kit?)
> 
> Ted H
> 
> 
> On Sat, 28 Sep 2019, 17:39 Richard Walker via Leedslist, <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
> 
>> No doubt we'll hear Bielsa trot out the usual we had the possession and
>> chances to win and there's an argument for that although I thought today
>> was a disaster both in our performance and the manager's tactics.
>> At half-time he did what a lot of fans have been asking for and played 2
>> up front with Bamford and Eddie but then quickly abadoned that and took off
>> Bamford and put on Roberts. In that seccond half we were all over the shop
>> and yes Bielsa did go for a Plan B but it's obvious that he doesn't like
>> doing it but more importantly it's obvious he hasn't a clue what the hell
>> is going on when he's playing. Instructions were being handed to the
>> players by paper and Bielsa and his entourage were all pacing around arms
>> in the air frustrated for most of the second half. We had no central
>> midfield in that 2nd half. Philips sat deep in a back 3 but everytime he
>> got the ball he had no outlet in front of him. All out play had to come
>> down the wings and that just didn't happen today. Helder Costa has been
>> most fans choice to start but today's performance maybe tells you why he
>> hasn't. He was bloody awful. Little chips, dinks, crosses - all to a red
>> shirt and he was unable to take on his man. A real luxury player today we
>> could have done without.
>> On the other wing you've got Harrison, who arguably was are most effective
>> player - he was ineffective but he saw more of the ball and got into more
>> good positions than anyone,
>> Charlton were poor but they had a bit of pace and lots of fight in them
>> and they frustrated the hell out of us. Second half was appalling time
>> wasting but we could have still be playing all night and wouldn't have
>> scored today.
>> We ended the game with a left and right winger who can't cross a ball, two
>> players who are not match fit (Forshaw and Roberts) and a midfielder in
>> Klich who has just completely forgotten how to shoot. He was the biggest
>> disappointment today for me and I think his position should be rethought.
>> Is it all falling apart ? No. but today there was panic and confusion
>> around the team and the way we just stopped playing through midfield second
>> half was terrible. Bielsa will no doubt point to the fact that an extra
>> attacker means being less effective in midfield - yes I get that but being
>> totally ineffective in midfield with one les player has to ask questions
>> around players like Klich who are suppose to be playing in midfield.
>> Scores:
>> Kiko - 2. That goal was a nightmare. What was he doing trying to punch a
>> ball as low as that.
>> Dallas - 6. Showed good energy to get forward but every final ball and
>> every shot was terrible.
>> Allioski - 5. Tried to get forward first half and had one decent shot that
>> was well saved.
>> Cooper - 6. Played the second half a left back in a back 3 and didn't do
>> it very well. Did you a lot of good defensive things. What is going on at
>> corners ?
>> White - 7. Our best defender but again I'd ask about his contribution to
>> defending corners
>> Philips - 5. Struggled against a bit of pace first half which really
>> highlighte how pedestrian he is. Second half he struggled at the back. His
>> passing was off today with many passes going astray. On the positive side,
>> he did get through a hell of a lot of good work and tackles. His set pieces
>> were also decent towards the end.
>> Klich - 4. Poor.
>> Costa - 2. Poorer.
>> Bamford - 4. Should have scored with a point blank header first half but
>> it's just to happening for him. He's obviously frustrated and for me he has
>> to be dropped.
>> Shackleton - 5. He got 

Re: [LU] Charlton

[Andy Brown]

It felt like that for most of last season. At the start of the season we seemed 
to score freely enough but got out of the habit later on.  At Reading in about 
March we scored 3 but it should have been 6.

We do have the best goal difference in the division right now.

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> On 29 Sep 2019, at 20:51, Joe Skinner  wrote:
> 
> It does feel like if it all clicks, someone will get a hiding
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 29 Sep 2019, at 19:59, Nicholas Armit 
> mailto:arm...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
> 
> Depressingly we could have been ahead after 30 seconds if Shackleton had been 
> one foot further forward to meet Bamford's cross
> 
> Nick
> 
> On Sunday, September 29, 2019, 08:15:11 AM EDT, Joe Skinner 
> mailto:jacksonpollocks...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
> Admittedly I missed the first 25mins and the stream cut out twice later but 
> there wasn’t much to watch on the highlights today
> 
> The Costa ‘miss’ and their defender clearing a klich shot late on
> 
> At least no one is running away with the league yet
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 28 Sep 2019, at 19:19, Richard Naef 
>> mailto:rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I think their keeper made a couple of top saves, we had 4 shots on target so 
>> someone must have saved them 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Leedslist 
>> mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> On 
>> Behalf Of Joe Skinner
>> Sent: 28 September 2019 19:01
>> To: Nicholas Armit mailto:arm...@yahoo.com>>
>> Cc: Leeds List mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
>> Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton
>> 
>> Pretty shit game all round...
>> 
>> All over the shop.
>> 
>> That was just dire
>> 
>> Keeper didn’t make a save until the last 5 minutes?
>> 
>> I just don’t rate our keeper but can understand why he’s in the team but 
>> fuck me, if you only have 2 shots a game to save, at least save them?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 28 Sep 2019, at 18:17, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist 
>>> mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Some observations:
>>> 
>>> - That was a worrying game. Really ineffective and out of ideas.
>>> - Harrison is weird. When he does cross quickly his balls are really 
>>> dangerous (today a couple Derby play-off last year) but 99% of the time he 
>>> slows it right down and then fucks up.
>>> - Think Bamford was taken off because he should have been sent off.
>>> - Bielsa did go for a Plan B but obviously that is made up on the fly as we 
>>> were all over the place second half.
>>> - Leeds salute from Bowyer best part of the day.
>>> 
>>> Nick
>>> On Saturday, September 28, 2019, 12:39:34 PM EDT, Richard Walker via 
>>> Leedslist mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> No doubt we'll hear Bielsa trot out the usual we had the possession and 
>>> chances to win and there's an argument for that although I thought today 
>>> was a disaster both in our performance and the manager's tactics.
>>> At half-time he did what a lot of fans have been asking for and played 2 up 
>>> front with Bamford and Eddie but then quickly abadoned that and took off 
>>> Bamford and put on Roberts. In that seccond half we were all over the shop 
>>> and yes Bielsa did go for a Plan B but it's obvious that he doesn't like 
>>> doing it but more importantly it's obvious he hasn't a clue what the hell 
>>> is going on when he's playing. Instructions were being handed to the 
>>> players by paper and Bielsa and his entourage were all pacing around arms 
>>> in the air frustrated for most of the second half. We had no central 
>>> midfield in that 2nd half. Philips sat deep in a back 3 but everytime he 
>>> got the ball he had no outlet in front of him. All out play had to come 
>>> down the wings and that just didn't happen today. Helder Costa has been 
>>> most fans choice to start but today's performance maybe tells you why he 
>>> hasn't. He was bloody awful. Little chips, dinks, crosses - all to a red 
>>> shirt and he was unable to take on his man. A real luxury player today we 
>>> could have done without.
>>> On the other wing you've got Harrison, who arguably was are most
>>> effective player - he was ineffective but he saw more of the ball and got 
>>> into more good positions than anyone, Charlton were poor but they had a bit 
>>> of pace and lots of fight in them and they frustrated t

Re: [LU] Charlton

[Joe Skinner]

It does feel like if it all clicks, someone will get a hiding

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On 29 Sep 2019, at 19:59, Nicholas Armit 
mailto:arm...@yahoo.com>> wrote:

Depressingly we could have been ahead after 30 seconds if Shackleton had been 
one foot further forward to meet Bamford's cross

Nick

On Sunday, September 29, 2019, 08:15:11 AM EDT, Joe Skinner 
mailto:jacksonpollocks...@hotmail.com>> wrote:


Admittedly I missed the first 25mins and the stream cut out twice later but 
there wasn’t much to watch on the highlights today

The Costa ‘miss’ and their defender clearing a klich shot late on

At least no one is running away with the league yet

Sent from my iPhone

> On 28 Sep 2019, at 19:19, Richard Naef 
> mailto:rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>> 
> wrote:
>
> I think their keeper made a couple of top saves, we had 4 shots on target so 
> someone must have saved them 
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist 
> mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> On Behalf 
> Of Joe Skinner
> Sent: 28 September 2019 19:01
> To: Nicholas Armit mailto:arm...@yahoo.com>>
> Cc: Leeds List mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
> Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton
>
> Pretty shit game all round...
>
> All over the shop.
>
> That was just dire
>
> Keeper didn’t make a save until the last 5 minutes?
>
> I just don’t rate our keeper but can understand why he’s in the team but fuck 
> me, if you only have 2 shots a game to save, at least save them?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 28 Sep 2019, at 18:17, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist 
>> mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>> wrote:
>>
>> Some observations:
>>
>>  - That was a worrying game. Really ineffective and out of ideas.
>>  - Harrison is weird. When he does cross quickly his balls are really 
>> dangerous (today a couple Derby play-off last year) but 99% of the time he 
>> slows it right down and then fucks up.
>>  - Think Bamford was taken off because he should have been sent off.
>>  - Bielsa did go for a Plan B but obviously that is made up on the fly as we 
>> were all over the place second half.
>>  - Leeds salute from Bowyer best part of the day.
>>
>> Nick
>>  On Saturday, September 28, 2019, 12:39:34 PM EDT, Richard Walker via 
>> Leedslist mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>> wrote:
>>
>> No doubt we'll hear Bielsa trot out the usual we had the possession and 
>> chances to win and there's an argument for that although I thought today was 
>> a disaster both in our performance and the manager's tactics.
>> At half-time he did what a lot of fans have been asking for and played 2 up 
>> front with Bamford and Eddie but then quickly abadoned that and took off 
>> Bamford and put on Roberts. In that seccond half we were all over the shop 
>> and yes Bielsa did go for a Plan B but it's obvious that he doesn't like 
>> doing it but more importantly it's obvious he hasn't a clue what the hell is 
>> going on when he's playing. Instructions were being handed to the players by 
>> paper and Bielsa and his entourage were all pacing around arms in the air 
>> frustrated for most of the second half. We had no central midfield in that 
>> 2nd half. Philips sat deep in a back 3 but everytime he got the ball he had 
>> no outlet in front of him. All out play had to come down the wings and that 
>> just didn't happen today. Helder Costa has been most fans choice to start 
>> but today's performance maybe tells you why he hasn't. He was bloody awful. 
>> Little chips, dinks, crosses - all to a red shirt and he was unable to take 
>> on his man. A real luxury player today we could have done without.
>> On the other wing you've got Harrison, who arguably was are most
>> effective player - he was ineffective but he saw more of the ball and got 
>> into more good positions than anyone, Charlton were poor but they had a bit 
>> of pace and lots of fight in them and they frustrated the hell out of us. 
>> Second half was appalling time wasting but we could have still be playing 
>> all night and wouldn't have scored today.
>> We ended the game with a left and right winger who can't cross a ball, two 
>> players who are not match fit (Forshaw and Roberts) and a midfielder in 
>> Klich who has just completely forgotten how to shoot. He was the biggest 
>> disappointment today for me and I think his position should be rethought.
>> Is it all falling apart ? No. but today there was panic and confusion around 
>> the team and the way we just stopped playing through midfield second half 
>> was terrible. Bielsa will no doubt point to the fact that an extra attacker 
>> means being less 

Re: [LU] Charlton

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Depressingly we could have been ahead after 30 seconds if Shackleton had been 
one foot further forward to meet Bamford's cross
Nick
On Sunday, September 29, 2019, 08:15:11 AM EDT, Joe Skinner 
 wrote:  
 
 Admittedly I missed the first 25mins and the stream cut out twice later but 
there wasn’t much to watch on the highlights today

The Costa ‘miss’ and their defender clearing a klich shot late on

At least no one is running away with the league yet 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 28 Sep 2019, at 19:19, Richard Naef  
> wrote:
> 
> I think their keeper made a couple of top saves, we had 4 shots on target so 
> someone must have saved them  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Joe Skinner
> Sent: 28 September 2019 19:01
> To: Nicholas Armit 
> Cc: Leeds List 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton
> 
> Pretty shit game all round...
> 
> All over the shop.
> 
> That was just dire 
> 
> Keeper didn’t make a save until the last 5 minutes?
> 
> I just don’t rate our keeper but can understand why he’s in the team but fuck 
> me, if you only have 2 shots a game to save, at least save them?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 28 Sep 2019, at 18:17, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Some observations:
>> 
>>  - That was a worrying game. Really ineffective and out of ideas. 
>>  - Harrison is weird. When he does cross quickly his balls are really 
>>dangerous (today a couple Derby play-off last year) but 99% of the time he 
>>slows it right down and then fucks up.
>>  - Think Bamford was taken off because he should have been sent off.
>>  - Bielsa did go for a Plan B but obviously that is made up on the fly as we 
>>were all over the place second half. 
>>  - Leeds salute from Bowyer best part of the day.
>> 
>> Nick
>>  On Saturday, September 28, 2019, 12:39:34 PM EDT, Richard Walker via 
>>Leedslist  wrote:  
>> 
>> No doubt we'll hear Bielsa trot out the usual we had the possession and 
>> chances to win and there's an argument for that although I thought today was 
>> a disaster both in our performance and the manager's tactics. 
>> At half-time he did what a lot of fans have been asking for and played 2 up 
>> front with Bamford and Eddie but then quickly abadoned that and took off 
>> Bamford and put on Roberts. In that seccond half we were all over the shop 
>> and yes Bielsa did go for a Plan B but it's obvious that he doesn't like 
>> doing it but more importantly it's obvious he hasn't a clue what the hell is 
>> going on when he's playing. Instructions were being handed to the players by 
>> paper and Bielsa and his entourage were all pacing around arms in the air 
>> frustrated for most of the second half. We had no central midfield in that 
>> 2nd half. Philips sat deep in a back 3 but everytime he got the ball he had 
>> no outlet in front of him. All out play had to come down the wings and that 
>> just didn't happen today. Helder Costa has been most fans choice to start 
>> but today's performance maybe tells you why he hasn't. He was bloody awful. 
>> Little chips, dinks, crosses - all to a red shirt and he was unable to take 
>> on his man. A real luxury player today we could have done without. 
>> On the other wing you've got Harrison, who arguably was are most 
>> effective player - he was ineffective but he saw more of the ball and got 
>> into more good positions than anyone, Charlton were poor but they had a bit 
>> of pace and lots of fight in them and they frustrated the hell out of us. 
>> Second half was appalling time wasting but we could have still be playing 
>> all night and wouldn't have scored today.
>> We ended the game with a left and right winger who can't cross a ball, two 
>> players who are not match fit (Forshaw and Roberts) and a midfielder in 
>> Klich who has just completely forgotten how to shoot. He was the biggest 
>> disappointment today for me and I think his position should be rethought. 
>> Is it all falling apart ? No. but today there was panic and confusion around 
>> the team and the way we just stopped playing through midfield second half 
>> was terrible. Bielsa will no doubt point to the fact that an extra attacker 
>> means being less effective in midfield - yes I get that but being totally 
>> ineffective in midfield with one les player has to ask questions around 
>> players like Klich who are suppose to be playing in midfield. 
>> Scores: 
>> Kiko - 2. That goal was a nightmare. What was he doing trying to punch a 
>> ball as low as that. 
>> Dallas - 6. Showed good energy to get forward but every final ball and

Re: [LU] Charlton

[Joe Skinner]

Admittedly I missed the first 25mins and the stream cut out twice later but 
there wasn’t much to watch on the highlights today

The Costa ‘miss’ and their defender clearing a klich shot late on

At least no one is running away with the league yet 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 28 Sep 2019, at 19:19, Richard Naef  
> wrote:
> 
> I think their keeper made a couple of top saves, we had 4 shots on target so 
> someone must have saved them  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Joe Skinner
> Sent: 28 September 2019 19:01
> To: Nicholas Armit 
> Cc: Leeds List 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton
> 
> Pretty shit game all round...
> 
> All over the shop.
> 
> That was just dire 
> 
> Keeper didn’t make a save until the last 5 minutes?
> 
> I just don’t rate our keeper but can understand why he’s in the team but fuck 
> me, if you only have 2 shots a game to save, at least save them?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 28 Sep 2019, at 18:17, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Some observations:
>> 
>>  - That was a worrying game. Really ineffective and out of ideas. 
>>  - Harrison is weird. When he does cross quickly his balls are really 
>> dangerous (today a couple Derby play-off last year) but 99% of the time he 
>> slows it right down and then fucks up.
>>  - Think Bamford was taken off because he should have been sent off.
>>  - Bielsa did go for a Plan B but obviously that is made up on the fly as we 
>> were all over the place second half. 
>>  - Leeds salute from Bowyer best part of the day.
>> 
>> Nick
>>   On Saturday, September 28, 2019, 12:39:34 PM EDT, Richard Walker via 
>> Leedslist  wrote:  
>> 
>> No doubt we'll hear Bielsa trot out the usual we had the possession and 
>> chances to win and there's an argument for that although I thought today was 
>> a disaster both in our performance and the manager's tactics. 
>> At half-time he did what a lot of fans have been asking for and played 2 up 
>> front with Bamford and Eddie but then quickly abadoned that and took off 
>> Bamford and put on Roberts. In that seccond half we were all over the shop 
>> and yes Bielsa did go for a Plan B but it's obvious that he doesn't like 
>> doing it but more importantly it's obvious he hasn't a clue what the hell is 
>> going on when he's playing. Instructions were being handed to the players by 
>> paper and Bielsa and his entourage were all pacing around arms in the air 
>> frustrated for most of the second half. We had no central midfield in that 
>> 2nd half. Philips sat deep in a back 3 but everytime he got the ball he had 
>> no outlet in front of him. All out play had to come down the wings and that 
>> just didn't happen today. Helder Costa has been most fans choice to start 
>> but today's performance maybe tells you why he hasn't. He was bloody awful. 
>> Little chips, dinks, crosses - all to a red shirt and he was unable to take 
>> on his man. A real luxury player today we could have done without. 
>> On the other wing you've got Harrison, who arguably was are most 
>> effective player - he was ineffective but he saw more of the ball and got 
>> into more good positions than anyone, Charlton were poor but they had a bit 
>> of pace and lots of fight in them and they frustrated the hell out of us. 
>> Second half was appalling time wasting but we could have still be playing 
>> all night and wouldn't have scored today.
>> We ended the game with a left and right winger who can't cross a ball, two 
>> players who are not match fit (Forshaw and Roberts) and a midfielder in 
>> Klich who has just completely forgotten how to shoot. He was the biggest 
>> disappointment today for me and I think his position should be rethought. 
>> Is it all falling apart ? No. but today there was panic and confusion around 
>> the team and the way we just stopped playing through midfield second half 
>> was terrible. Bielsa will no doubt point to the fact that an extra attacker 
>> means being less effective in midfield - yes I get that but being totally 
>> ineffective in midfield with one les player has to ask questions around 
>> players like Klich who are suppose to be playing in midfield. 
>> Scores: 
>> Kiko - 2. That goal was a nightmare. What was he doing trying to punch a 
>> ball as low as that. 
>> Dallas - 6. Showed good energy to get forward but every final ball and every 
>> shot was terrible. 
>> Allioski - 5. Tried to get forward first half and had one decent shot that 
>> was well saved. 
>> Cooper - 6. Played the second half a left back in a back 3 an

Re: [LU] Charlton

[Richard Naef]

I think their keeper made a couple of top saves, we had 4 shots on target so 
someone must have saved them  

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Joe Skinner
Sent: 28 September 2019 19:01
To: Nicholas Armit 
Cc: Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton

Pretty shit game all round...

All over the shop.

That was just dire 

Keeper didn’t make a save until the last 5 minutes?

I just don’t rate our keeper but can understand why he’s in the team but fuck 
me, if you only have 2 shots a game to save, at least save them?

Sent from my iPhone

> On 28 Sep 2019, at 18:17, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Some observations:
> 
>   - That was a worrying game. Really ineffective and out of ideas. 
>   - Harrison is weird. When he does cross quickly his balls are really 
> dangerous (today a couple Derby play-off last year) but 99% of the time he 
> slows it right down and then fucks up.
>   - Think Bamford was taken off because he should have been sent off.
>   - Bielsa did go for a Plan B but obviously that is made up on the fly as we 
> were all over the place second half. 
>   - Leeds salute from Bowyer best part of the day.
> 
> Nick
>On Saturday, September 28, 2019, 12:39:34 PM EDT, Richard Walker via 
> Leedslist  wrote:  
> 
> No doubt we'll hear Bielsa trot out the usual we had the possession and 
> chances to win and there's an argument for that although I thought today was 
> a disaster both in our performance and the manager's tactics. 
> At half-time he did what a lot of fans have been asking for and played 2 up 
> front with Bamford and Eddie but then quickly abadoned that and took off 
> Bamford and put on Roberts. In that seccond half we were all over the shop 
> and yes Bielsa did go for a Plan B but it's obvious that he doesn't like 
> doing it but more importantly it's obvious he hasn't a clue what the hell is 
> going on when he's playing. Instructions were being handed to the players by 
> paper and Bielsa and his entourage were all pacing around arms in the air 
> frustrated for most of the second half. We had no central midfield in that 
> 2nd half. Philips sat deep in a back 3 but everytime he got the ball he had 
> no outlet in front of him. All out play had to come down the wings and that 
> just didn't happen today. Helder Costa has been most fans choice to start but 
> today's performance maybe tells you why he hasn't. He was bloody awful. 
> Little chips, dinks, crosses - all to a red shirt and he was unable to take 
> on his man. A real luxury player today we could have done without. 
> On the other wing you've got Harrison, who arguably was are most 
> effective player - he was ineffective but he saw more of the ball and got 
> into more good positions than anyone, Charlton were poor but they had a bit 
> of pace and lots of fight in them and they frustrated the hell out of us. 
> Second half was appalling time wasting but we could have still be playing all 
> night and wouldn't have scored today.
> We ended the game with a left and right winger who can't cross a ball, two 
> players who are not match fit (Forshaw and Roberts) and a midfielder in Klich 
> who has just completely forgotten how to shoot. He was the biggest 
> disappointment today for me and I think his position should be rethought. 
> Is it all falling apart ? No. but today there was panic and confusion around 
> the team and the way we just stopped playing through midfield second half was 
> terrible. Bielsa will no doubt point to the fact that an extra attacker means 
> being less effective in midfield - yes I get that but being totally 
> ineffective in midfield with one les player has to ask questions around 
> players like Klich who are suppose to be playing in midfield. 
> Scores: 
> Kiko - 2. That goal was a nightmare. What was he doing trying to punch a ball 
> as low as that. 
> Dallas - 6. Showed good energy to get forward but every final ball and every 
> shot was terrible. 
> Allioski - 5. Tried to get forward first half and had one decent shot that 
> was well saved. 
> Cooper - 6. Played the second half a left back in a back 3 and didn't do it 
> very well. Did you a lot of good defensive things. What is going on at 
> corners ? 
> White - 7. Our best defender but again I'd ask about his contribution 
> to defending corners Philips - 5. Struggled against a bit of pace first half 
> which really highlighte how pedestrian he is. Second half he struggled at the 
> back. His passing was off today with many passes going astray. On the 
> positive side, he did get through a hell of a lot of good work and tackles. 
> His set pieces were also decent towards the end.
> Klich - 4. Poor. 
> Costa - 2. Poorer. 
> Bamford - 4. Should have scored with a point blank header first

Re: [LU] Charlton

[Joe Skinner]

Pretty shit game all round...

All over the shop.

That was just dire 

Keeper didn’t make a save until the last 5 minutes?

I just don’t rate our keeper but can understand why he’s in the team but fuck 
me, if you only have 2 shots a game to save, at least save them?

Sent from my iPhone

> On 28 Sep 2019, at 18:17, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Some observations:
> 
>   - That was a worrying game. Really ineffective and out of ideas. 
>   - Harrison is weird. When he does cross quickly his balls are really 
> dangerous (today a couple Derby play-off last year) but 99% of the time he 
> slows it right down and then fucks up.
>   - Think Bamford was taken off because he should have been sent off.
>   - Bielsa did go for a Plan B but obviously that is made up on the fly as we 
> were all over the place second half. 
>   - Leeds salute from Bowyer best part of the day.
> 
> Nick
>On Saturday, September 28, 2019, 12:39:34 PM EDT, Richard Walker via 
> Leedslist  wrote:  
> 
> No doubt we'll hear Bielsa trot out the usual we had the possession and 
> chances to win and there's an argument for that although I thought today was 
> a disaster both in our performance and the manager's tactics. 
> At half-time he did what a lot of fans have been asking for and played 2 up 
> front with Bamford and Eddie but then quickly abadoned that and took off 
> Bamford and put on Roberts. In that seccond half we were all over the shop 
> and yes Bielsa did go for a Plan B but it's obvious that he doesn't like 
> doing it but more importantly it's obvious he hasn't a clue what the hell is 
> going on when he's playing. Instructions were being handed to the players by 
> paper and Bielsa and his entourage were all pacing around arms in the air 
> frustrated for most of the second half. We had no central midfield in that 
> 2nd half. Philips sat deep in a back 3 but everytime he got the ball he had 
> no outlet in front of him. All out play had to come down the wings and that 
> just didn't happen today. Helder Costa has been most fans choice to start but 
> today's performance maybe tells you why he hasn't. He was bloody awful. 
> Little chips, dinks, crosses - all to a red shirt and he was unable to take 
> on his man. A real luxury player today we could have done without. 
> On the other wing you've got Harrison, who arguably was are most effective 
> player - he was ineffective but he saw more of the ball and got into more 
> good positions than anyone, 
> Charlton were poor but they had a bit of pace and lots of fight in them and 
> they frustrated the hell out of us. Second half was appalling time wasting 
> but we could have still be playing all night and wouldn't have scored today. 
> We ended the game with a left and right winger who can't cross a ball, two 
> players who are not match fit (Forshaw and Roberts) and a midfielder in Klich 
> who has just completely forgotten how to shoot. He was the biggest 
> disappointment today for me and I think his position should be rethought. 
> Is it all falling apart ? No. but today there was panic and confusion around 
> the team and the way we just stopped playing through midfield second half was 
> terrible. Bielsa will no doubt point to the fact that an extra attacker means 
> being less effective in midfield - yes I get that but being totally 
> ineffective in midfield with one les player has to ask questions around 
> players like Klich who are suppose to be playing in midfield. 
> Scores: 
> Kiko - 2. That goal was a nightmare. What was he doing trying to punch a ball 
> as low as that. 
> Dallas - 6. Showed good energy to get forward but every final ball and every 
> shot was terrible. 
> Allioski - 5. Tried to get forward first half and had one decent shot that 
> was well saved. 
> Cooper - 6. Played the second half a left back in a back 3 and didn't do it 
> very well. Did you a lot of good defensive things. What is going on at 
> corners ? 
> White - 7. Our best defender but again I'd ask about his contribution to 
> defending corners
> Philips - 5. Struggled against a bit of pace first half which really 
> highlighte how pedestrian he is. Second half he struggled at the back. His 
> passing was off today with many passes going astray. On the positive side, he 
> did get through a hell of a lot of good work and tackles. His set pieces were 
> also decent towards the end. 
> Klich - 4. Poor. 
> Costa - 2. Poorer. 
> Bamford - 4. Should have scored with a point blank header first half but it's 
> just to happening for him. He's obviously frustrated and for me he has to be 
> dropped. 
> Shackleton - 5. He got forward a few times in the first half bu tlike Derby 
> he didn't do anything to impact the game. Was taken off at half-tme. 
> Harrison - 4. Last ball  poor all day. 
> Subs: 
> Eddie - 6. Lively. Needs to start - we need to be scoring early. 
> Roberts - 5. One or two nice touches 
> Forshaw - 5. Nearly scored at the end but like all his 

Re: [LU] Charlton

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Some observations:
   
   - That was a worrying game. Really ineffective and out of ideas. 
   - Harrison is weird. When he does cross quickly his balls are really 
dangerous (today a couple Derby play-off last year) but 99% of the time he 
slows it right down and then fucks up.
   - Think Bamford was taken off because he should have been sent off.
   - Bielsa did go for a Plan B but obviously that is made up on the fly as we 
were all over the place second half. 
   - Leeds salute from Bowyer best part of the day.

Nick
On Saturday, September 28, 2019, 12:39:34 PM EDT, Richard Walker via 
Leedslist  wrote:  
 
 No doubt we'll hear Bielsa trot out the usual we had the possession and 
chances to win and there's an argument for that although I thought today was a 
disaster both in our performance and the manager's tactics. 
At half-time he did what a lot of fans have been asking for and played 2 up 
front with Bamford and Eddie but then quickly abadoned that and took off 
Bamford and put on Roberts. In that seccond half we were all over the shop and 
yes Bielsa did go for a Plan B but it's obvious that he doesn't like doing it 
but more importantly it's obvious he hasn't a clue what the hell is going on 
when he's playing. Instructions were being handed to the players by paper and 
Bielsa and his entourage were all pacing around arms in the air frustrated for 
most of the second half. We had no central midfield in that 2nd half. Philips 
sat deep in a back 3 but everytime he got the ball he had no outlet in front of 
him. All out play had to come down the wings and that just didn't happen today. 
Helder Costa has been most fans choice to start but today's performance maybe 
tells you why he hasn't. He was bloody awful. Little chips, dinks, crosses - 
all to a red shirt and he was unable to take on his man. A real luxury player 
today we could have done without. 
On the other wing you've got Harrison, who arguably was are most effective 
player - he was ineffective but he saw more of the ball and got into more good 
positions than anyone, 
Charlton were poor but they had a bit of pace and lots of fight in them and 
they frustrated the hell out of us. Second half was appalling time wasting but 
we could have still be playing all night and wouldn't have scored today. 
We ended the game with a left and right winger who can't cross a ball, two 
players who are not match fit (Forshaw and Roberts) and a midfielder in Klich 
who has just completely forgotten how to shoot. He was the biggest 
disappointment today for me and I think his position should be rethought. 
Is it all falling apart ? No. but today there was panic and confusion around 
the team and the way we just stopped playing through midfield second half was 
terrible. Bielsa will no doubt point to the fact that an extra attacker means 
being less effective in midfield - yes I get that but being totally ineffective 
in midfield with one les player has to ask questions around players like Klich 
who are suppose to be playing in midfield. 
Scores: 
Kiko - 2. That goal was a nightmare. What was he doing trying to punch a ball 
as low as that. 
Dallas - 6. Showed good energy to get forward but every final ball and every 
shot was terrible. 
Allioski - 5. Tried to get forward first half and had one decent shot that was 
well saved. 
Cooper - 6. Played the second half a left back in a back 3 and didn't do it 
very well. Did you a lot of good defensive things. What is going on at corners 
? 
White - 7. Our best defender but again I'd ask about his contribution to 
defending corners
Philips - 5. Struggled against a bit of pace first half which really highlighte 
how pedestrian he is. Second half he struggled at the back. His passing was off 
today with many passes going astray. On the positive side, he did get through a 
hell of a lot of good work and tackles. His set pieces were also decent towards 
the end. 
Klich - 4. Poor. 
Costa - 2. Poorer. 
Bamford - 4. Should have scored with a point blank header first half but it's 
just to happening for him. He's obviously frustrated and for me he has to be 
dropped. 
Shackleton - 5. He got forward a few times in the first half bu tlike Derby he 
didn't do anything to impact the game. Was taken off at half-tme. 
Harrison - 4. Last ball  poor all day. 
Subs: 
Eddie - 6. Lively. Needs to start - we need to be scoring early. 
Roberts - 5. One or two nice touches 
Forshaw - 5. Nearly scored at the end but like all his chances it was a nearly 
scored. 
This was a worrying performance because we were all over the shop and I'm not 
sure where it all leaves us for Tuesday against the Baggies. 
I'm absolutely gutted. Beer time. 






 
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Re: [LU] Charlton

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 it was a shambles. 
On Saturday, 28 September 2019, 18:09:25 BST, Nicholas Armit 
 wrote:  
 
  Didn't work did it
On Saturday, September 28, 2019, 11:08:04 AM EDT, Richard Walker via 
Leedslist  wrote:  
 
  and Forshaw on Allioski off - we're 3 at the back 
is this Plan B ?
    On Saturday, 28 September 2019, 16:05:18 BST, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
  fuck me 
Eddie and Bamford on for 2nd half - Shackleton off. 
    On Saturday, 28 September 2019, 15:54:36 BST, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 Same old story - all the possession but their keeper hasn't made a save. 
Bamford should have scored with free header from 5 yards. 
Harrison - does a lot of decent stuff until the last ball which is always 
terrible. He really is struggling with that aspect of his game. 
Costa has disappointed on the right wing. 
The amount of times we get into good positions and the last ball is just 
attrocious. Also there's usually only Bamford in the areas amongst 5 red 
shirts. That tactic aint going to work. 
They're average but they have a bit of pace and that has troubled. Philips in 
particular has had to foul his way out of trouble - he always looks vulnerable 
against pace and he suddenly doesn't look like the future England captain 
anymore. 
Their goal was a corner and you have to say this is becoming a problem now. 
Scrappy goal and another fuck op by Kiko. Why didn't he just catch the ball ? 
Instead he ridiculously tried to punch it out (it was only waist height !) and 
ended up punching against a Charlton player and into the back of hte net. 
lots to do 2nd half. 
think we need Eddie on. 
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Re: [LU] Charlton

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Didn't work did it
On Saturday, September 28, 2019, 11:08:04 AM EDT, Richard Walker via 
Leedslist  wrote:  
 
  and Forshaw on Allioski off - we're 3 at the back 
is this Plan B ?
    On Saturday, 28 September 2019, 16:05:18 BST, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
  fuck me 
Eddie and Bamford on for 2nd half - Shackleton off. 
    On Saturday, 28 September 2019, 15:54:36 BST, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 Same old story - all the possession but their keeper hasn't made a save. 
Bamford should have scored with free header from 5 yards. 
Harrison - does a lot of decent stuff until the last ball which is always 
terrible. He really is struggling with that aspect of his game. 
Costa has disappointed on the right wing. 
The amount of times we get into good positions and the last ball is just 
attrocious. Also there's usually only Bamford in the areas amongst 5 red 
shirts. That tactic aint going to work. 
They're average but they have a bit of pace and that has troubled. Philips in 
particular has had to foul his way out of trouble - he always looks vulnerable 
against pace and he suddenly doesn't look like the future England captain 
anymore. 
Their goal was a corner and you have to say this is becoming a problem now. 
Scrappy goal and another fuck op by Kiko. Why didn't he just catch the ball ? 
Instead he ridiculously tried to punch it out (it was only waist height !) and 
ended up punching against a Charlton player and into the back of hte net. 
lots to do 2nd half. 
think we need Eddie on. 
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Re: [LU] Charlton

[Ted]

Absolutely. Frustration is the right word!





On Sat, 28 Sep 2019, 17:51 Richard Walker,  wrote:

> agree Ted. I'm frustrated as hell but if you stand back, the football we
> play at times is brilliant and I just love watching us but I think it's
> clear that the final ball and not converting chances is becoming a real
> problem.
>
> also can we get a better translator for post match , current one sounds
> pissed.
>
> On Saturday, 28 September 2019, 17:48:29 BST, Ted 
> wrote:
>
>
> I really don't know what the answer is!
>
> We dominate games with great football (at times), but it just isn't going
> for us!
>
> I just think, more of the same and it might click. Other than spending
> millions in Jan (which we don't have), what is the answer?
>
> Saying that, these last 2 seasons have been a lot more entertaining than
> most of the previous 14 - and I suppose at the end of the day I pay to be
> entertained!
>
> So I'll just keep the faith and believe in Bielsa!
>
> (By the way, Man City's away kit?)
>
> Ted H
>
>
> On Sat, 28 Sep 2019, 17:39 Richard Walker via Leedslist, <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>
> No doubt we'll hear Bielsa trot out the usual we had the possession and
> chances to win and there's an argument for that although I thought today
> was a disaster both in our performance and the manager's tactics.
> At half-time he did what a lot of fans have been asking for and played 2
> up front with Bamford and Eddie but then quickly abadoned that and took off
> Bamford and put on Roberts. In that seccond half we were all over the shop
> and yes Bielsa did go for a Plan B but it's obvious that he doesn't like
> doing it but more importantly it's obvious he hasn't a clue what the hell
> is going on when he's playing. Instructions were being handed to the
> players by paper and Bielsa and his entourage were all pacing around arms
> in the air frustrated for most of the second half. We had no central
> midfield in that 2nd half. Philips sat deep in a back 3 but everytime he
> got the ball he had no outlet in front of him. All out play had to come
> down the wings and that just didn't happen today. Helder Costa has been
> most fans choice to start but today's performance maybe tells you why he
> hasn't. He was bloody awful. Little chips, dinks, crosses - all to a red
> shirt and he was unable to take on his man. A real luxury player today we
> could have done without.
> On the other wing you've got Harrison, who arguably was are most effective
> player - he was ineffective but he saw more of the ball and got into more
> good positions than anyone,
> Charlton were poor but they had a bit of pace and lots of fight in them
> and they frustrated the hell out of us. Second half was appalling time
> wasting but we could have still be playing all night and wouldn't have
> scored today.
> We ended the game with a left and right winger who can't cross a ball, two
> players who are not match fit (Forshaw and Roberts) and a midfielder in
> Klich who has just completely forgotten how to shoot. He was the biggest
> disappointment today for me and I think his position should be rethought.
> Is it all falling apart ? No. but today there was panic and confusion
> around the team and the way we just stopped playing through midfield second
> half was terrible. Bielsa will no doubt point to the fact that an extra
> attacker means being less effective in midfield - yes I get that but being
> totally ineffective in midfield with one les player has to ask questions
> around players like Klich who are suppose to be playing in midfield.
> Scores:
> Kiko - 2. That goal was a nightmare. What was he doing trying to punch a
> ball as low as that.
> Dallas - 6. Showed good energy to get forward but every final ball and
> every shot was terrible.
> Allioski - 5. Tried to get forward first half and had one decent shot that
> was well saved.
> Cooper - 6. Played the second half a left back in a back 3 and didn't do
> it very well. Did you a lot of good defensive things. What is going on at
> corners ?
> White - 7. Our best defender but again I'd ask about his contribution to
> defending corners
> Philips - 5. Struggled against a bit of pace first half which really
> highlighte how pedestrian he is. Second half he struggled at the back. His
> passing was off today with many passes going astray. On the positive side,
> he did get through a hell of a lot of good work and tackles. His set pieces
> were also decent towards the end.
> Klich - 4. Poor.
> Costa - 2. Poorer.
> Bamford - 4. Should have scored with a point blank header first half but
> it's just to happening for him. He's obviously frustrated and for me he has
> to be dropped.
> Shackleton - 5. He got forward a few times in the first half bu tlike
> Derby he didn't do anything to impact the game. Was taken off at half-tme.
> Harrison - 4. Last ball  poor all day.
> Subs:
> Eddie - 6. Lively. Needs to start - we need to be scoring early.
> Roberts - 5. One or two nice 

Re: [LU] Charlton

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 agree Ted. I'm frustrated as hell but if you stand back, the football we play 
at times is brilliant and I just love watching us but I think it's clear that 
the final ball and not converting chances is becoming a real problem. 
also can we get a better translator for post match , current one sounds pissed. 
On Saturday, 28 September 2019, 17:48:29 BST, Ted  
wrote:  
 
 I really don't know what the answer is!
We dominate games with great football (at times), but it just isn't going for 
us!
I just think, more of the same and it might click. Other than spending millions 
in Jan (which we don't have), what is the answer?
Saying that, these last 2 seasons have been a lot more entertaining than most 
of the previous 14 - and I suppose at the end of the day I pay to be 
entertained!
So I'll just keep the faith and believe in Bielsa!
(By the way, Man City's away kit?)
Ted H 

On Sat, 28 Sep 2019, 17:39 Richard Walker via Leedslist,  
wrote:

No doubt we'll hear Bielsa trot out the usual we had the possession and chances 
to win and there's an argument for that although I thought today was a disaster 
both in our performance and the manager's tactics. 
At half-time he did what a lot of fans have been asking for and played 2 up 
front with Bamford and Eddie but then quickly abadoned that and took off 
Bamford and put on Roberts. In that seccond half we were all over the shop and 
yes Bielsa did go for a Plan B but it's obvious that he doesn't like doing it 
but more importantly it's obvious he hasn't a clue what the hell is going on 
when he's playing. Instructions were being handed to the players by paper and 
Bielsa and his entourage were all pacing around arms in the air frustrated for 
most of the second half. We had no central midfield in that 2nd half. Philips 
sat deep in a back 3 but everytime he got the ball he had no outlet in front of 
him. All out play had to come down the wings and that just didn't happen today. 
Helder Costa has been most fans choice to start but today's performance maybe 
tells you why he hasn't. He was bloody awful. Little chips, dinks, crosses - 
all to a red shirt and he was unable to take on his man. A real luxury player 
today we could have done without. 
On the other wing you've got Harrison, who arguably was are most effective 
player - he was ineffective but he saw more of the ball and got into more good 
positions than anyone, 
Charlton were poor but they had a bit of pace and lots of fight in them and 
they frustrated the hell out of us. Second half was appalling time wasting but 
we could have still be playing all night and wouldn't have scored today. 
We ended the game with a left and right winger who can't cross a ball, two 
players who are not match fit (Forshaw and Roberts) and a midfielder in Klich 
who has just completely forgotten how to shoot. He was the biggest 
disappointment today for me and I think his position should be rethought. 
Is it all falling apart ? No. but today there was panic and confusion around 
the team and the way we just stopped playing through midfield second half was 
terrible. Bielsa will no doubt point to the fact that an extra attacker means 
being less effective in midfield - yes I get that but being totally ineffective 
in midfield with one les player has to ask questions around players like Klich 
who are suppose to be playing in midfield. 
Scores: 
Kiko - 2. That goal was a nightmare. What was he doing trying to punch a ball 
as low as that. 
Dallas - 6. Showed good energy to get forward but every final ball and every 
shot was terrible. 
Allioski - 5. Tried to get forward first half and had one decent shot that was 
well saved. 
Cooper - 6. Played the second half a left back in a back 3 and didn't do it 
very well. Did you a lot of good defensive things. What is going on at corners 
? 
White - 7. Our best defender but again I'd ask about his contribution to 
defending corners
Philips - 5. Struggled against a bit of pace first half which really highlighte 
how pedestrian he is. Second half he struggled at the back. His passing was off 
today with many passes going astray. On the positive side, he did get through a 
hell of a lot of good work and tackles. His set pieces were also decent towards 
the end. 
Klich - 4. Poor. 
Costa - 2. Poorer. 
Bamford - 4. Should have scored with a point blank header first half but it's 
just to happening for him. He's obviously frustrated and for me he has to be 
dropped. 
Shackleton - 5. He got forward a few times in the first half bu tlike Derby he 
didn't do anything to impact the game. Was taken off at half-tme. 
Harrison - 4. Last ball  poor all day. 
Subs: 
Eddie - 6. Lively. Needs to start - we need to be scoring early. 
Roberts - 5. One or two nice touches 
Forshaw - 5. Nearly scored at the end but like all his chances it was a nearly 
scored. 
This was a worrying performance because we were all over the shop and I'm not 
sure where it all leaves us for Tuesday against the Baggies. 

Re: [LU] Charlton

[Ted]

I really don't know what the answer is!

We dominate games with great football (at times), but it just isn't going
for us!

I just think, more of the same and it might click. Other than spending
millions in Jan (which we don't have), what is the answer?

Saying that, these last 2 seasons have been a lot more entertaining than
most of the previous 14 - and I suppose at the end of the day I pay to be
entertained!

So I'll just keep the faith and believe in Bielsa!

(By the way, Man City's away kit?)

Ted H


On Sat, 28 Sep 2019, 17:39 Richard Walker via Leedslist, <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

> No doubt we'll hear Bielsa trot out the usual we had the possession and
> chances to win and there's an argument for that although I thought today
> was a disaster both in our performance and the manager's tactics.
> At half-time he did what a lot of fans have been asking for and played 2
> up front with Bamford and Eddie but then quickly abadoned that and took off
> Bamford and put on Roberts. In that seccond half we were all over the shop
> and yes Bielsa did go for a Plan B but it's obvious that he doesn't like
> doing it but more importantly it's obvious he hasn't a clue what the hell
> is going on when he's playing. Instructions were being handed to the
> players by paper and Bielsa and his entourage were all pacing around arms
> in the air frustrated for most of the second half. We had no central
> midfield in that 2nd half. Philips sat deep in a back 3 but everytime he
> got the ball he had no outlet in front of him. All out play had to come
> down the wings and that just didn't happen today. Helder Costa has been
> most fans choice to start but today's performance maybe tells you why he
> hasn't. He was bloody awful. Little chips, dinks, crosses - all to a red
> shirt and he was unable to take on his man. A real luxury player today we
> could have done without.
> On the other wing you've got Harrison, who arguably was are most effective
> player - he was ineffective but he saw more of the ball and got into more
> good positions than anyone,
> Charlton were poor but they had a bit of pace and lots of fight in them
> and they frustrated the hell out of us. Second half was appalling time
> wasting but we could have still be playing all night and wouldn't have
> scored today.
> We ended the game with a left and right winger who can't cross a ball, two
> players who are not match fit (Forshaw and Roberts) and a midfielder in
> Klich who has just completely forgotten how to shoot. He was the biggest
> disappointment today for me and I think his position should be rethought.
> Is it all falling apart ? No. but today there was panic and confusion
> around the team and the way we just stopped playing through midfield second
> half was terrible. Bielsa will no doubt point to the fact that an extra
> attacker means being less effective in midfield - yes I get that but being
> totally ineffective in midfield with one les player has to ask questions
> around players like Klich who are suppose to be playing in midfield.
> Scores:
> Kiko - 2. That goal was a nightmare. What was he doing trying to punch a
> ball as low as that.
> Dallas - 6. Showed good energy to get forward but every final ball and
> every shot was terrible.
> Allioski - 5. Tried to get forward first half and had one decent shot that
> was well saved.
> Cooper - 6. Played the second half a left back in a back 3 and didn't do
> it very well. Did you a lot of good defensive things. What is going on at
> corners ?
> White - 7. Our best defender but again I'd ask about his contribution to
> defending corners
> Philips - 5. Struggled against a bit of pace first half which really
> highlighte how pedestrian he is. Second half he struggled at the back. His
> passing was off today with many passes going astray. On the positive side,
> he did get through a hell of a lot of good work and tackles. His set pieces
> were also decent towards the end.
> Klich - 4. Poor.
> Costa - 2. Poorer.
> Bamford - 4. Should have scored with a point blank header first half but
> it's just to happening for him. He's obviously frustrated and for me he has
> to be dropped.
> Shackleton - 5. He got forward a few times in the first half bu tlike
> Derby he didn't do anything to impact the game. Was taken off at half-tme.
> Harrison - 4. Last ball  poor all day.
> Subs:
> Eddie - 6. Lively. Needs to start - we need to be scoring early.
> Roberts - 5. One or two nice touches
> Forshaw - 5. Nearly scored at the end but like all his chances it was a
> nearly scored.
> This was a worrying performance because we were all over the shop and I'm
> not sure where it all leaves us for Tuesday against the Baggies.
> I'm absolutely gutted. Beer time.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

No doubt we'll hear Bielsa trot out the usual we had the possession and chances 
to win and there's an argument for that although I thought today was a disaster 
both in our performance and the manager's tactics. 
At half-time he did what a lot of fans have been asking for and played 2 up 
front with Bamford and Eddie but then quickly abadoned that and took off 
Bamford and put on Roberts. In that seccond half we were all over the shop and 
yes Bielsa did go for a Plan B but it's obvious that he doesn't like doing it 
but more importantly it's obvious he hasn't a clue what the hell is going on 
when he's playing. Instructions were being handed to the players by paper and 
Bielsa and his entourage were all pacing around arms in the air frustrated for 
most of the second half. We had no central midfield in that 2nd half. Philips 
sat deep in a back 3 but everytime he got the ball he had no outlet in front of 
him. All out play had to come down the wings and that just didn't happen today. 
Helder Costa has been most fans choice to start but today's performance maybe 
tells you why he hasn't. He was bloody awful. Little chips, dinks, crosses - 
all to a red shirt and he was unable to take on his man. A real luxury player 
today we could have done without. 
On the other wing you've got Harrison, who arguably was are most effective 
player - he was ineffective but he saw more of the ball and got into more good 
positions than anyone, 
Charlton were poor but they had a bit of pace and lots of fight in them and 
they frustrated the hell out of us. Second half was appalling time wasting but 
we could have still be playing all night and wouldn't have scored today. 
We ended the game with a left and right winger who can't cross a ball, two 
players who are not match fit (Forshaw and Roberts) and a midfielder in Klich 
who has just completely forgotten how to shoot. He was the biggest 
disappointment today for me and I think his position should be rethought. 
Is it all falling apart ? No. but today there was panic and confusion around 
the team and the way we just stopped playing through midfield second half was 
terrible. Bielsa will no doubt point to the fact that an extra attacker means 
being less effective in midfield - yes I get that but being totally ineffective 
in midfield with one les player has to ask questions around players like Klich 
who are suppose to be playing in midfield. 
Scores: 
Kiko - 2. That goal was a nightmare. What was he doing trying to punch a ball 
as low as that. 
Dallas - 6. Showed good energy to get forward but every final ball and every 
shot was terrible. 
Allioski - 5. Tried to get forward first half and had one decent shot that was 
well saved. 
Cooper - 6. Played the second half a left back in a back 3 and didn't do it 
very well. Did you a lot of good defensive things. What is going on at corners 
? 
White - 7. Our best defender but again I'd ask about his contribution to 
defending corners
Philips - 5. Struggled against a bit of pace first half which really highlighte 
how pedestrian he is. Second half he struggled at the back. His passing was off 
today with many passes going astray. On the positive side, he did get through a 
hell of a lot of good work and tackles. His set pieces were also decent towards 
the end. 
Klich - 4. Poor. 
Costa - 2. Poorer. 
Bamford - 4. Should have scored with a point blank header first half but it's 
just to happening for him. He's obviously frustrated and for me he has to be 
dropped. 
Shackleton - 5. He got forward a few times in the first half bu tlike Derby he 
didn't do anything to impact the game. Was taken off at half-tme. 
Harrison - 4. Last ball  poor all day. 
Subs: 
Eddie - 6. Lively. Needs to start - we need to be scoring early. 
Roberts - 5. One or two nice touches 
Forshaw - 5. Nearly scored at the end but like all his chances it was a nearly 
scored. 
This was a worrying performance because we were all over the shop and I'm not 
sure where it all leaves us for Tuesday against the Baggies. 
I'm absolutely gutted. Beer time. 






 
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[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 and Forshaw on Allioski off - we're 3 at the back 
is this Plan B ?
On Saturday, 28 September 2019, 16:05:18 BST, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
  fuck me 
Eddie and Bamford on for 2nd half - Shackleton off. 
    On Saturday, 28 September 2019, 15:54:36 BST, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 Same old story - all the possession but their keeper hasn't made a save. 
Bamford should have scored with free header from 5 yards. 
Harrison - does a lot of decent stuff until the last ball which is always 
terrible. He really is struggling with that aspect of his game. 
Costa has disappointed on the right wing. 
The amount of times we get into good positions and the last ball is just 
attrocious. Also there's usually only Bamford in the areas amongst 5 red 
shirts. That tactic aint going to work. 
They're average but they have a bit of pace and that has troubled. Philips in 
particular has had to foul his way out of trouble - he always looks vulnerable 
against pace and he suddenly doesn't look like the future England captain 
anymore. 
Their goal was a corner and you have to say this is becoming a problem now. 
Scrappy goal and another fuck op by Kiko. Why didn't he just catch the ball ? 
Instead he ridiculously tried to punch it out (it was only waist height !) and 
ended up punching against a Charlton player and into the back of hte net. 
lots to do 2nd half. 
think we need Eddie on. 
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[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

 fuck me 
Eddie and Bamford on for 2nd half - Shackleton off. 
On Saturday, 28 September 2019, 15:54:36 BST, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 wrote:  
 
 Same old story - all the possession but their keeper hasn't made a save. 
Bamford should have scored with free header from 5 yards. 
Harrison - does a lot of decent stuff until the last ball which is always 
terrible. He really is struggling with that aspect of his game. 
Costa has disappointed on the right wing. 
The amount of times we get into good positions and the last ball is just 
attrocious. Also there's usually only Bamford in the areas amongst 5 red 
shirts. That tactic aint going to work. 
They're average but they have a bit of pace and that has troubled. Philips in 
particular has had to foul his way out of trouble - he always looks vulnerable 
against pace and he suddenly doesn't look like the future England captain 
anymore. 
Their goal was a corner and you have to say this is becoming a problem now. 
Scrappy goal and another fuck op by Kiko. Why didn't he just catch the ball ? 
Instead he ridiculously tried to punch it out (it was only waist height !) and 
ended up punching against a Charlton player and into the back of hte net. 
lots to do 2nd half. 
think we need Eddie on. 
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[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

Same old story - all the possession but their keeper hasn't made a save. 
Bamford should have scored with free header from 5 yards. 
Harrison - does a lot of decent stuff until the last ball which is always 
terrible. He really is struggling with that aspect of his game. 
Costa has disappointed on the right wing. 
The amount of times we get into good positions and the last ball is just 
attrocious. Also there's usually only Bamford in the areas amongst 5 red 
shirts. That tactic aint going to work. 
They're average but they have a bit of pace and that has troubled. Philips in 
particular has had to foul his way out of trouble - he always looks vulnerable 
against pace and he suddenly doesn't look like the future England captain 
anymore. 
Their goal was a corner and you have to say this is becoming a problem now. 
Scrappy goal and another fuck op by Kiko. Why didn't he just catch the ball ? 
Instead he ridiculously tried to punch it out (it was only waist height !) and 
ended up punching against a Charlton player and into the back of hte net. 
lots to do 2nd half. 
think we need Eddie on. 
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[Simon McNally]

Agreed.
I was really disappointed - last home game against a team already down after 
some good performances I was hoping for a dominating display.
Sadly , it was a predictable, muted display with very few good chances created. 
I thought botaka didn't see enough of the ball and we spent too much time 
fucking about with the ball at the back.
Hardly a display to help Evans keep his job. Phil Hay seems to think Evans is 
gone - he's had some good results recently but today again showed he is limited 
tactically.
A big summer for the club if we are to be anything other than mid table again.

Simon 

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> On 30 Apr 2016, at 20:03, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
> 
> Was rubbishplayers and manager did not care, so nor do IWe lost to a team who 
> have been relegated - what more is there to say ?
> Botaka did enough to suggest he should play again next week but whether he 
> will be effective week in week out who knows
> Bamba scored a consolation with a header and Cook had a decent shot late on.
> They were poor but put in 100% effort - we were worse and gave 80% effort if 
> that.
> Boos at half and full time
> Season over so we will see what the close season and next season brings
> A bad way to end a, mainly poor, season 
> 
> Over and out
> Dave
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[Matt Anderson]

Agreed. I went to borehamwood v guiseley last week and every result went 
against them  and it looked hopeless this week but an amazing nail biting 
finale today

Was more interesting than our game despite my wife being a Charlton fan. She 
hasn't even bothered to gloat which says a lot about both clubs seasons 

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> On 30 Apr 2016, at 21:05, David Woolmer  wrote:
> 
> On plus side nice to see Guiseley escape the drop, though shame it was at 
> Halifax's expense. 
> 
> 
>> On 30 Apr 2016, at 20:03, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
>> 
>> Was rubbishplayers and manager did not care, so nor do IWe lost to a team 
>> who have been relegated - what more is there to say ?
>> Botaka did enough to suggest he should play again next week but whether he 
>> will be effective week in week out who knows
>> Bamba scored a consolation with a header and Cook had a decent shot late on.
>> They were poor but put in 100% effort - we were worse and gave 80% effort if 
>> that.
>> Boos at half and full time
>> Season over so we will see what the close season and next season brings
>> A bad way to end a, mainly poor, season 
>> 
>> Over and out
>> Dave
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[David Woolmer]

On plus side nice to see Guiseley escape the drop, though shame it was at 
Halifax's expense. 


> On 30 Apr 2016, at 20:03, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
> 
> Was rubbishplayers and manager did not care, so nor do IWe lost to a team who 
> have been relegated - what more is there to say ?
> Botaka did enough to suggest he should play again next week but whether he 
> will be effective week in week out who knows
> Bamba scored a consolation with a header and Cook had a decent shot late on.
> They were poor but put in 100% effort - we were worse and gave 80% effort if 
> that.
> Boos at half and full time
> Season over so we will see what the close season and next season brings
> A bad way to end a, mainly poor, season 
> 
> Over and out
> Dave
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[nat...@sky.com]

Was rubbishplayers and manager did not care, so nor do IWe lost to a team who 
have been relegated - what more is there to say ?
Botaka did enough to suggest he should play again next week but whether he will 
be effective week in week out who knows
Bamba scored a consolation with a header and Cook had a decent shot late on.
They were poor but put in 100% effort - we were worse and gave 80% effort if 
that.
Boos at half and full time
Season over so we will see what the close season and next season brings
A bad way to end a, mainly poor, season 

Over and out
Dave
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[Mark]

Matt, "Rotherham thinking"...spot on! 
FFS
Cheers
Wiscoleeds


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MATTHEW GAYNOR 

There was little in the way of tactics.Our plan seemed to be, keep it scrappy 
and hope we nick something from a set piece.Wootton got booked after 2 minutes 
but it took 47 to give him the hook.
Evans thinks a 0-0 with a team in the relegation zone is something to be happy 
with.That's Rotherham thinking - that's his level.
Matt
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[MATTHEW GAYNOR]

Steve Evans after the game;
"If we'd left with no points i'd have seen the Charlton players leave with 
balaclavas. Thats how bad a robbery it would have been."
The man is deluded.We played well for the last 20 minutes.We were utter garbage 
for 70.
Charlton were pretty dreadful but made the better chances for most of the game. 
We only seemed to realise how poor they were late on and decided to attack.
There was little in the way of tactics.Our plan seemed to be, keep it scrappy 
and hope we nick something from a set piece.Wootton got booked after 2 minutes 
but it took 47 to give him the hook.
Evans thinks a 0-0 with a team in the relegation zone is something to be happy 
with.That's Rotherham thinking - that's his level.
Matt
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Re: [LU] LU: Charlton

[bruvvaleeluv]

Having only seen Sky's highlights, it didn't seem to me that we bossed the game 
in the way that Mr Blobby was articulating :-( On the positive side, we're 
hanging on, just about, to the sh*te non-descript teams in the middle, and have 
moved above the really sh*te teams, although I can see us finding our level 
again soon. Still, a point nearer safety - that's the only realistic target 
this season!


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> On 13 Dec 2015, at 10:09, MATTHEW GAYNOR  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Steve Evans after the game;
> "If we'd left with no points i'd have seen the Charlton players leave with 
> balaclavas. Thats how bad a robbery it would have been."
> The man is deluded.We played well for the last 20 minutes.We were utter 
> garbage for 70.
> Charlton were pretty dreadful but made the better chances for most of the 
> game. We only seemed to realise how poor they were late on and decided to 
> attack.
> There was little in the way of tactics.Our plan seemed to be, keep it scrappy 
> and hope we nick something from a set piece.Wootton got booked after 2 
> minutes but it took 47 to give him the hook.
> Evans thinks a 0-0 with a team in the relegation zone is something to be 
> happy with.That's Rotherham thinking - that's his level.
> Matt
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[LU] Charlton spare

[David W]

Got a ticket, but can't manage to get across to London for the match
tomorrow.

Rubbish Matt has my ticket - let me know if you want it and I will put you
in touch with him to collect it.

Cheers,

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[LU] Charlton

[Richard walker]

Leeds fans singing ' Fuck off to Italy'
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Re: [LU] Charlton

[Dr Michael Benjamin]

Just missed a penalty.  

Dr. Michael Benjamin,
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On 18 Apr 2015 5:34 pm, davidwool...@gmail.com wrote:

 Cellino is of course a devious c*nt who does not give a Flying f+ck about
 the club.

 Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
   Original Message
 From: Richard walker
 Sent: Saturday, 18 April 2015 15:16
 To: Ian Murray
 Cc: Leeds List
 Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton

 I always quite liked him and would like to hear his thoughts on what is
 going on at the moment.

 Sent from my iPad

  On 18 Apr 2015, at 15:15, Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
  They're right of course.
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On 18 Apr 2015, at 22:12, Richard walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk
 wrote:
 
  And 'Time to go, Massimo'
 
  Sent from my iPad
 
  On 18 Apr 2015, at 15:08, Richard walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk
 wrote:
 
  Leeds fans singing ' Fuck off to Italy'
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Re: [LU] Charlton

[Richard walker]

I always quite liked him and would like to hear his thoughts on what is going 
on at the moment.

Sent from my iPad

 On 18 Apr 2015, at 15:15, Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 They're right of course.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 18 Apr 2015, at 22:12, Richard walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 
 And 'Time to go, Massimo'
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 18 Apr 2015, at 15:08, Richard walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 
 Leeds fans singing ' Fuck off to Italy'
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Re: [LU] Charlton

[Richard walker]

And 'Time to go, Massimo'

Sent from my iPad

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 Leeds fans singing ' Fuck off to Italy'
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Re: [LU] Charlton

[Ian Murray]

They're right of course.

Sent from my iPhone

 On 18 Apr 2015, at 22:12, Richard walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 
 And 'Time to go, Massimo'
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 18 Apr 2015, at 15:08, Richard walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 
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Re: [LU] Charlton

[davidwoolmer]

Cellino is of course a devious c*nt who does not give a Flying f+ck about the 
club.

Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
  Original Message  
From: Richard walker
Sent: Saturday, 18 April 2015 15:16
To: Ian Murray
Cc: Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton

I always quite liked him and would like to hear his thoughts on what is going 
on at the moment.

Sent from my iPad

 On 18 Apr 2015, at 15:15, Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 They're right of course.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 18 Apr 2015, at 22:12, Richard walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 
 And 'Time to go, Massimo'
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 18 Apr 2015, at 15:08, Richard walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 
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[LU] Charlton

[Richard Naef]

Strange game, Leeds fans more interested in what is alleged to be happening
off the pitch than on, a strange mix of a UKIP conference - loads of
anti-Italian chants and a Religious revivalist meeting, with lots of old
favourites getting an airing play all the way and Geldard Boot Boys  and
cries of undying love for the team.

 

On the pitch we were the best team in the first half and if Sharp had
converted the penalty we'd have been deserved leaders at half time.  But as
always we looked fragile at the back and the midfield let them run at our
defence too often and eventually they scored.  Not seen the Penalty but
Taylor didn't look convincing and Silvestri is the one foreign import we
really miss.

 

Some decent build up play tended to fizzle out before becoming really
threatening.  Taylor and Byram got forward and there were a few decent
crosses but nobody there to get on the end.

 

Montenegro and Dawson on for the last few minutes and Dawson got a really
good cross in right at the death, but it was bundled away.

 

Yes, I was there when Morison scored, but nothing he showed made it look
like he'd add to that in any way shape or form.  After the goal there was 10
minutes of sarcastic Steve Morison chants.. we were being sarcastic
weren't we?

 

Lots of Time to go Massimo chants, but We don't need a change of owner or
manager, just some stability (and half a dozen decent players)

 

Rudi man of the match, no doubt, almost all of his shots and passes hit the
target and ran himself ragged, maybe his slowing down in the 2nd half
coincided with Charlton getting on top?

 

Bamba had a good game as well, including the obligatory couple of nightmare
passes/dribbles.

 

Dawson had 10 minutes and didn't score a hatrick, so we should get rid
straight away ;)

 

We were loads better than at Fulham my last game, but we lost - weird game
football.

 

Leeds aren't we?

 

ttfn

 

Richard

 

 

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Re: [LU] Charlton Tickets

[Jeremy Thorpe]

Sorry forgot to say I'm based in Cambridgeshire

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From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On
Behalf Of Jeremy Thorpe
Sent: 16 April 2015 11:20
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: [LU] Charlton Tickets

I know this is late but I now have two tickets for the Charlton game
available that I can't use.

 

In the home end Family Stand. 1 is adult 60+ the other junior 11.

 

Anyone interested contact me off list.

 

Jezz

 



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Re: [LU] Charlton

[Robinson, Mick]

Greenwich with Niggy  Step is the latest our end.


From: Alan Edgar [mailto:alan.ed...@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: 15 April 2015 12:53
To: Matt Anderson; leedslist@gn.apc.org; Robinson, Mick; 
davidwool...@gmail.com; niggy.gouldsboro...@manchester.ac.uk
Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton

Good - they'll be supporting whoever Charlton are playing then !

Cheers,

Al


From: Matt Anderson m...@leeds-united.netmailto:m...@leeds-united.net
To: 'Alan Edgar' alan.ed...@yahoo.co.ukmailto:alan.ed...@yahoo.co.uk; 
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Sent: Wednesday, 15 April 2015, 12:49
Subject: RE: [LU] Charlton

My local!

Run by Palace fans


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[mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.orgmailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On 
Behalf Of Alan Edgar
Sent: 15 April 2015 12:48
To: leedslist@gn.apc.orgmailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: [LU] Charlton

Suggestion for a pub on Saturday morning - The Plume of Feathers.
http://www.plumeoffeathers-greenwich.co.uk/

It's 5 mins walk from Maze Hill which is 10 mins from London Bridge and the 
station before Charlton so we could stay in the pub until around 2.30 - real 
ales and a beer garden.
Nothing against Hole in the Wall but ... Cheers,

Al

From: Robinson, Mick mick.robin...@miq.commailto:mick.robin...@miq.com
To: David W davidwool...@gmail.commailto:davidwool...@gmail.com, leedslist 
leedslist@gn.apc.orgmailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton

We are meeting at Waterloo, Hole In The Wall. Last year the Anchor  Hope was 
home fans only.

I think Niggy  Al will be joining us

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From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.orgmailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org 
[mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.orgmailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On 
Behalf Of David W
Sent: 14 April 2015 17:43
To: leedslist
Subject: [LU] Charlton

Any learned listers heading Charlton way on Saturday? Are list meets a thing 
any more? Charlton always a good day out with a nice river pub crawl.

Wiggy and Dodgy Matt both sloped off to the West Indies to launch their pop 
careers, so some usual suspects will be absent.

Al E, you heading along?

Cheers,

David


From: Matt Anderson m...@leeds-united.netmailto:m...@leeds-united.net
To: Robinson, Mick mick.robin...@miq.commailto:mick.robin...@miq.com
Cc: leedslist leedslist@gn.apc.orgmailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton

Southwark tavern at borough/ London Bridge is run by a Leeds fan.

I live in Greenwich 1 mile from charlton so happy to help with pub advice.

Lots on the river that are good and friendly

Local brewery meantime has some great beers lagers and ales to suit every taste.


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Re: [LU] Charlton

[Matt]

Was only way to see a team in white win a game. 

Matt

 On 14 Apr 2015, at 12:42, David W davidwool...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Any learned listers heading Charlton way on Saturday? Are list meets a
 thing any more? Charlton always a good day out with a nice river pub crawl.
 
 Wiggy and Dodgy Matt both sloped off to the West Indies to launch their pop
 careers, so some usual suspects will be absent.
 
 
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Re: [LU] Charlton

[Alan Edgar]

Good - they'll be supporting whoever Charlton are playing then ! Cheers,

Al
  From: Matt Anderson m...@leeds-united.net
 To: 'Alan Edgar' alan.ed...@yahoo.co.uk; leedslist@gn.apc.org 
 Sent: Wednesday, 15 April 2015, 12:49
 Subject: RE: [LU] Charlton
   
My local!

Run by Palace fans




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From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On 
Behalf Of Alan Edgar
Sent: 15 April 2015 12:48
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: [LU] Charlton

Suggestion for a pub on Saturday morning - The Plume of Feathers.
http://www.plumeoffeathers-greenwich.co.uk/

It's 5 mins walk from Maze Hill which is 10 mins from London Bridge and the 
station before Charlton so we could stay in the pub until around 2.30 - real 
ales and a beer garden.
Nothing against Hole in the Wall but ... Cheers,

Al

From: Robinson, Mick mick.robin...@miq.com
To: David W davidwool...@gmail.com, leedslist leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton

We are meeting at Waterloo, Hole In The Wall. Last year the Anchor  Hope was 
home fans only.

I think Niggy  Al will be joining us

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From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On 
Behalf Of David W
Sent: 14 April 2015 17:43
To: leedslist
Subject: [LU] Charlton

Any learned listers heading Charlton way on Saturday? Are list meets a thing 
any more? Charlton always a good day out with a nice river pub crawl.

Wiggy and Dodgy Matt both sloped off to the West Indies to launch their pop 
careers, so some usual suspects will be absent.

Al E, you heading along?

Cheers,

David


From: Matt Anderson m...@leeds-united.net
To: Robinson, Mick mick.robin...@miq.com
Cc: leedslist leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton

Southwark tavern at borough/ London Bridge is run by a Leeds fan.

I live in Greenwich 1 mile from charlton so happy to help with pub advice.

Lots on the river that are good and friendly

Local brewery meantime has some great beers lagers and ales to suit every taste.

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Re: [LU] Charlton

[Matt Anderson]

My local! 

Run by Palace fans


-Original Message-
From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On 
Behalf Of Alan Edgar
Sent: 15 April 2015 12:48
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: [LU] Charlton

Suggestion for a pub on Saturday morning - The Plume of Feathers.
http://www.plumeoffeathers-greenwich.co.uk/

It's 5 mins walk from Maze Hill which is 10 mins from London Bridge and the 
station before Charlton so we could stay in the pub until around 2.30 - real 
ales and a beer garden.
Nothing against Hole in the Wall but ... Cheers,

Al

From: Robinson, Mick mick.robin...@miq.com
To: David W davidwool...@gmail.com, leedslist leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton

We are meeting at Waterloo, Hole In The Wall. Last year the Anchor  Hope was 
home fans only.

I think Niggy  Al will be joining us 

-Original Message-
From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On 
Behalf Of David W
Sent: 14 April 2015 17:43
To: leedslist
Subject: [LU] Charlton

Any learned listers heading Charlton way on Saturday? Are list meets a thing 
any more? Charlton always a good day out with a nice river pub crawl.

Wiggy and Dodgy Matt both sloped off to the West Indies to launch their pop 
careers, so some usual suspects will be absent.

Al E, you heading along?

Cheers,

David


From: Matt Anderson m...@leeds-united.net
To: Robinson, Mick mick.robin...@miq.com
Cc: leedslist leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton

Southwark tavern at borough/ London Bridge is run by a Leeds fan. 

I live in Greenwich 1 mile from charlton so happy to help with pub advice.

Lots on the river that are good and friendly 

Local brewery meantime has some great beers lagers and ales to suit every taste.
  
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Re: [LU] Charlton

[Alan Edgar]

Mick,
Maze Hill is also the station after Greenwich.
Cheers,

Al
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the latest our end.       

From: Alan Edgar [mailto:alan.ed...@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: 15 April 2015 12:53
To: Matt Anderson; leedslist@gn.apc.org; Robinson, Mick; 
davidwool...@gmail.com; niggy.gouldsboro...@manchester.ac.uk
Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton    Good - they'll be supporting whoever Charlton are 
playing then !   Cheers,    Al    From: Matt Anderson m...@leeds-united.net
To: 'Alan Edgar' alan.ed...@yahoo.co.uk;leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 15 April 2015, 12:49
Subject: RE: [LU] Charlton 
My local!

Run by Palace fans    
-Original Message-
From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On 
Behalf Of Alan Edgar
Sent: 15 April 2015 12:48
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: [LU] Charlton

Suggestion for a pub on Saturday morning - The Plume of Feathers.
http://www.plumeoffeathers-greenwich.co.uk/

It's 5 mins walk from Maze Hill which is 10 mins from London Bridge and the 
station before Charlton so we could stay in the pub until around 2.30 - real 
ales and a beer garden.
Nothing against Hole in the Wall but ... Cheers,

Al

From: Robinson, Mick mick.robin...@miq.com
To: David W davidwool...@gmail.com, leedslist leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton

We are meeting at Waterloo, Hole In The Wall. Last year the Anchor  Hope was 
home fans only.

I think Niggy  Al will be joining us

-Original Message-
From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On 
Behalf Of David W
Sent: 14 April 2015 17:43
To: leedslist
Subject: [LU] Charlton

Any learned listers heading Charlton way on Saturday? Are list meets a thing 
any more? Charlton always a good day out with a nice river pub crawl.

Wiggy and Dodgy Matt both sloped off to the West Indies to launch their pop 
careers, so some usual suspects will be absent.

Al E, you heading along?

Cheers,

David


From: Matt Anderson m...@leeds-united.net
To: Robinson, Mick mick.robin...@miq.com
Cc: leedslist leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton

Southwark tavern at borough/ London Bridge is run by a Leeds fan.

I live in Greenwich 1 mile from charlton so happy to help with pub advice.

Lots on the river that are good and friendly

Local brewery meantime has some great beers lagers and ales to suit every 
taste. 

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[LU] Charlton

[Alan Edgar]

Suggestion for a pub on Saturday morning - The Plume of Feathers.
http://www.plumeoffeathers-greenwich.co.uk/

It's 5 mins walk from Maze Hill which is 10 mins from London Bridge and the 
station before Charlton so we could stay in the pub until around 2.30 - real 
ales and a beer garden.
Nothing against Hole in the Wall but ... 
Cheers,

Al

From: Robinson, Mick mick.robin...@miq.com
To: David W davidwool...@gmail.com, leedslist leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton

We are meeting at Waterloo, Hole In The Wall. Last year the Anchor  Hope was 
home fans only.

I think Niggy  Al will be joining us 

-Original Message-
From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On 
Behalf Of David W
Sent: 14 April 2015 17:43
To: leedslist
Subject: [LU] Charlton

Any learned listers heading Charlton way on Saturday? Are list meets a thing 
any more? Charlton always a good day out with a nice river pub crawl.

Wiggy and Dodgy Matt both sloped off to the West Indies to launch their pop 
careers, so some usual suspects will be absent.

Al E, you heading along?

Cheers,

David


From: Matt Anderson m...@leeds-united.net
To: Robinson, Mick mick.robin...@miq.com
Cc: leedslist leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton

Southwark tavern at borough/ London Bridge is run by a Leeds fan. 

I live in Greenwich 1 mile from charlton so happy to help with pub advice.

Lots on the river that are good and friendly 

Local brewery meantime has some great beers lagers and ales to suit every taste.
  
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[LU] Charlton

[David W]

Any learned listers heading Charlton way on Saturday? Are list meets a
thing any more? Charlton always a good day out with a nice river pub crawl.

Wiggy and Dodgy Matt both sloped off to the West Indies to launch their pop
careers, so some usual suspects will be absent.

Al E, you heading along?

Cheers,

David
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Re: [LU] Charlton

[Richard walker]

Some bloke called Gnoyi or someat like that is playing He's shit.
Philips dropped after scoring on his home debut. Maybe some of us do know best?
They've just missed a pen. 
Beccho nowhere to be seen - great move that was for the lad. 
Luke Murphy is a toilet.

Sent from my iPhone 

 On 14 Apr 2015, at 17:42, David W davidwool...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Any learned listers heading Charlton way on Saturday? Are list meets a
 thing any more? Charlton always a good day out with a nice river pub crawl.
 
 Wiggy and Dodgy Matt both sloped off to the West Indies to launch their pop
 careers, so some usual suspects will be absent.
 
 Al E, you heading along?
 
 Cheers,
 
 David
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Re: [LU] Charlton

[Robinson, Mick]

We are meeting at Waterloo, Hole In The Wall. Last year the Anchor  Hope was 
home fans only.

I think Niggy  Al will be joining us 

-Original Message-
From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On 
Behalf Of David W
Sent: 14 April 2015 17:43
To: leedslist
Subject: [LU] Charlton

Any learned listers heading Charlton way on Saturday? Are list meets a thing 
any more? Charlton always a good day out with a nice river pub crawl.

Wiggy and Dodgy Matt both sloped off to the West Indies to launch their pop 
careers, so some usual suspects will be absent.

Al E, you heading along?

Cheers,

David
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Re: [LU] Charlton

[Matt Anderson]

Southwark tavern at borough/ London Bridge is run by a Leeds fan. 

I live in Greenwich 1 mile from charlton so happy to help with pub advice.

Lots on the river that are good and friendly 

Local brewery meantime has some great beers lagers and ales to suit every 
taste. 

Sent from my iPhone

 On 14 Apr 2015, at 21:02, Robinson, Mick mick.robin...@miq.com wrote:
 
 We are meeting at Waterloo, Hole In The Wall. Last year the Anchor  Hope was 
 home fans only.
 
 I think Niggy  Al will be joining us 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On 
 Behalf Of David W
 Sent: 14 April 2015 17:43
 To: leedslist
 Subject: [LU] Charlton
 
 Any learned listers heading Charlton way on Saturday? Are list meets a thing 
 any more? Charlton always a good day out with a nice river pub crawl.
 
 Wiggy and Dodgy Matt both sloped off to the West Indies to launch their pop 
 careers, so some usual suspects will be absent.
 
 Al E, you heading along?
 
 Cheers,
 
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Re: [LU] Charlton Game

[MATTHEW GAYNOR]

Probably need a bit of experience to hold onto the leads.

And look who just became available


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29911967

A true Leeds 'legend'

Matt




 From: Jeremy Adams jeremyadam...@hotmail.com
To: Leeds List leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Sent: Tuesday, 4 November 2014, 19:14
Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton Game
 

Quite like the look of the line up, lets hope Redder's has got it right. I 
worringly feel quite good about this game.
Best,
Jeremy

 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 18:54:26 +
 From: matthew.gayn...@btopenworld.com
 To: rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk; leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton Game
 
 Not bad
 
 
 Bianchi instead of Dawson otherwise correct.
 Very young midfield nonetheless.
 
 Warnock captain
 
 Guess Redfearn is exerting his authority.  (Be sacked tomorrow)
 
 Matt
 
 
 
 
  From: Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk
 To: 'Leeds List' leedslist@gn.apc.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, 4 November 2014, 16:25
 Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton Game
  
 
  
  Quiet on list, any thoughts on the Charlton game and line up tonight?
 Cooper
  in for Pearce obviously, but are there other changes people are hoping
 for?
  Adryan to start? Seems like Sharp and Austin are out but what about Cook?
 
 Silvestri
 Byram Bellendi Cooper Warnock
 Dawson Cook Mowatt Adryan Doukara
 Antenucci
 
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Re: [LU] Charlton Game

[phillshields]

Some wankers played for us and he may just be the biggest.

MOT


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Probably need a bit of experience to hold onto the leads.

And look who just became available


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29911967

A true Leeds 'legend'

Matt




 From: Jeremy Adams jeremyadam...@hotmail.com
To: Leeds List leedslist@gn.apc.org
Sent: Tuesday, 4 November 2014, 19:14
Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton Game


Quite like the look of the line up, lets hope Redder's has got it right. I 
worringly feel quite good about this game.
Best,
Jeremy

 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 18:54:26 +
 From: matthew.gayn...@btopenworld.com
 To: rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk; leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton Game

 Not bad


 Bianchi instead of Dawson otherwise correct.
 Very young midfield nonetheless.

 Warnock captain

 Guess Redfearn is exerting his authority.  (Be sacked tomorrow)

 Matt



 
  From: Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk
 To: 'Leeds List' leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Sent: Tuesday, 4 November 2014, 16:25
 Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton Game
 

 
  Quiet on list, any thoughts on the Charlton game and line up tonight?
 Cooper
  in for Pearce obviously, but are there other changes people are hoping
 for?
  Adryan to start? Seems like Sharp and Austin are out but what about Cook?

 Silvestri
 Byram Bellendi Cooper Warnock
 Dawson Cook Mowatt Adryan Doukara
 Antenucci

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Re: [LU] Charlton Game

[John Lee]

I remember when he flicked the v's at the Kop - that was the end of him at 
Leeds. Frightening to hear him say he gets out of breath crossing the street, 
cos it was like watching a suped-up snail even at his peak!  

 On Wednesday, 5 November 2014, 11:17, MATTHEW GAYNOR 
matthew.gayn...@btopenworld.com wrote:
   

 Probably need a bit of experience to hold onto the leads.

And look who just became available


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29911967

A true Leeds 'legend'

Matt




 From: Jeremy Adams jeremyadam...@hotmail.com
To: Leeds List leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Sent: Tuesday, 4 November 2014, 19:14
Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton Game
 

Quite like the look of the line up, lets hope Redder's has got it right. I 
worringly feel quite good about this game.
Best,
Jeremy

 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 18:54:26 +
 From: matthew.gayn...@btopenworld.com
 To: rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk; leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton Game
 
 Not bad
 
 
 Bianchi instead of Dawson otherwise correct.
 Very young midfield nonetheless.
 
 Warnock captain
 
 Guess Redfearn is exerting his authority.  (Be sacked tomorrow)
 
 Matt
 
 
 
 
  From: Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk
 To: 'Leeds List' leedslist@gn.apc.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, 4 November 2014, 16:25
 Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton Game
  
 
  
  Quiet on list, any thoughts on the Charlton game and line up tonight?
 Cooper
  in for Pearce obviously, but are there other changes people are hoping
 for?
  Adryan to start? Seems like Sharp and Austin are out but what about Cook?
 
 Silvestri
 Byram Bellendi Cooper Warnock
 Dawson Cook Mowatt Adryan Doukara
 Antenucci
 
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[LU] Charlton Game

[Jeremy Adams]

Quiet on list, any thoughts on the Charlton game and line up tonight? Cooper in 
for Pearce obviously, but are there other changes people are hoping for? Adryan 
to start? Seems like Sharp and Austin are out but what about Cook?

Best,
Jeremy
  
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Re: [LU] Charlton Game

[Richard Naef]

 
 Quiet on list, any thoughts on the Charlton game and line up tonight?
Cooper
 in for Pearce obviously, but are there other changes people are hoping
for?
 Adryan to start? Seems like Sharp and Austin are out but what about Cook?

Silvestri
Byram Bellendi Cooper Warnock
Dawson Cook Mowatt Adryan Doukara
Antenucci

Sloth Beradi Montenegro Tonge Taylor Hunt Del Fabro

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Re: [LU] Charlton Game

[MATTHEW GAYNOR]

Not bad


Bianchi instead of Dawson otherwise correct.
Very young midfield nonetheless.

Warnock captain

Guess Redfearn is exerting his authority.  (Be sacked tomorrow)

Matt




 From: Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk
To: 'Leeds List' leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Sent: Tuesday, 4 November 2014, 16:25
Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton Game
 

 
 Quiet on list, any thoughts on the Charlton game and line up tonight?
Cooper
 in for Pearce obviously, but are there other changes people are hoping
for?
 Adryan to start? Seems like Sharp and Austin are out but what about Cook?

Silvestri
Byram Bellendi Cooper Warnock
Dawson Cook Mowatt Adryan Doukara
Antenucci

Sloth Beradi Montenegro Tonge Taylor Hunt Del Fabro
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Re: [LU] Charlton Game

[Jeremy Adams]

Quite like the look of the line up, lets hope Redder's has got it right. I 
worringly feel quite good about this game.
Best,
Jeremy

 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 18:54:26 +
 From: matthew.gayn...@btopenworld.com
 To: rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk; leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton Game
 
 Not bad
 
 
 Bianchi instead of Dawson otherwise correct.
 Very young midfield nonetheless.
 
 Warnock captain
 
 Guess Redfearn is exerting his authority.  (Be sacked tomorrow)
 
 Matt
 
 
 
 
  From: Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk
 To: 'Leeds List' leedslist@gn.apc.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, 4 November 2014, 16:25
 Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton Game
  
 
  
  Quiet on list, any thoughts on the Charlton game and line up tonight?
 Cooper
  in for Pearce obviously, but are there other changes people are hoping
 for?
  Adryan to start? Seems like Sharp and Austin are out but what about Cook?
 
 Silvestri
 Byram Bellendi Cooper Warnock
 Dawson Cook Mowatt Adryan Doukara
 Antenucci
 
 Sloth Beradi Montenegro Tonge Taylor Hunt Del Fabro
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[LU] Charlton report

[nat...@sky.com]

Well we have done it again! Twice this game was won and twice awful defending 
gave it away.
Adryan came back in for Morison and Byram for Beradi and, as expected Cooper 
replace the suspended Pearce
Like so many of our game this season this was another 'game of two halves' this 
time though it was the game itself rather than our performance that changed. 
The first half is totally forgettable, we had a few nice little triangles and 
Adyran showed a lovely piece of skill to let the impressive Warnock fire in a 
great cross. Warnock then did well at the other end clearing one off the line 
when Silvestri missed a cross. I said a few weeks ago that Silvestri looks 
great but we need to see how he reacts to a big mistake -well now we know 
(after Cardiff) he makes more mistakes !
Second half was a totally different beast as we went forward with purpose and 
did tear some holes in their defence. The 2 goals were absolute beauties. The 
first Adryan again impressed linking up down the flank with Warnock and the 
ball fell to Mowatt F-ing hit it yelled the bloke next to me but Mowatt 
decided that blasting high and wide was not for him, instead he took it under 
control put it on his left foot and from the edge of the box put an unstoppable 
shot into the top corner. That should have been that. We were all over them at 
this stage and I fancied us to win 2 or even 3 nil. Antenucci, Mowatt and 
Doukara (a poor night from him) all had shots and half chances. Then as so 
often before defence frailities brought us down. This time an awful clearance 
from, the otherwise solid Cooper, hit the attacker and somehow he squeezed it 
past the keeper into the net. SIlvestri should not have been beaten like that 
at his near post. Poor all round.
This rocked us a bit but we re-grouped and another decent move ended with the 
ball coming back out to Warnock who elected not to shoot but shovelled it on to 
Mowatt, who 22yards out this time, hit another lovely curling shot into the top 
corner - great goal. Game over ? Not for us. A corner to them and the ref 
points to the spot, a penalty and the equaliser. No idea what the pen was for. 
According to people on the bus the ref had warned us about pulling in the box, 
we (Bellusci ?) pulled someone so a penalty. One of those hot topics at the 
moment but how often do such things go unpunished? The crowd bayed for the refs 
blood but the players did not complain.
We still had time to win it, 10 mins plus 5 injury time, especially as they 
went down to 10 when one went off injured and all subs had been used. We huffed 
and puffed a bit but in the end we blew it
2 points needlessly thrown away.
Quite a lot of good things, Warnock my MOM, Mowatt good throughout and 2 lovely 
goals, Adryan has some nice touches. We have promise in this team and if, and 
it is a big IF, we can cut out the defensive errors, then we can go places over 
the next few years.
We really need to win on Saturday v Blackpool - we probably will since I am 
missing the game for another f=ing family wedding 
Dave
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Re: [LU] Charlton report

[Ted]

Agree with all of that Dave.  According to the radio on the way back, it
was Bellusci who was all over one of their players for the penalty.  Adam
Pope said it technically was a penalty but how many of that type are not
given week in week out?
Bellusci - I see flashes but the bloke's a liability!
Also thought Bianchi had a poor game.  Could Redders drop the Italians?

Two good goals for us, undone by sloppy defending/goalkeeping.

We're starting to need to turn the corner - we must get 3 points on
Saturday.

Ted H
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[LU] Charlton

[nat...@sky.com]

I went with very little hope, enthusiasm and optimism and came away with even 
less. 
Once again in an attempt to find the right formula Brian made changes, this 
time White and Tonge after impressive cameos on Saturday came in from the 
start, the hapless Warnock replaced the hapless Pugh and Wooton came in as 
right back so that Byram could move further forward at the expense of Stewart. 
To be fair we actually started quite brightly and although the 17k crowd was 
one of the smallest of the season they were right behind the team and made a 
decent amount of noise. We  had a couple of good moves - a lovely ball by Ross 
gave White the chance to cross but he hit it into touch, another cross just 
failed to meet the head of Smith and then the best chance of the half a great 
ball by Ross was brilliantly controlled by Tonge a couple of yards out, all he 
needed to do was hit the target but he blasted over. At the other end we gave 
them too much room and let them pass it around under no pressure and allowed 
them a few long range shots which all went straight to Butland. Butland did 
make one diving save but not sure it counts since the ball was going well wide 
and he gave away a corner - he even seemed to admit to the fans behind the goal 
that he thought it was going wide.
So the first half came to a close and we had done ok - more of the same second 
half and we would win, wouldn't we ?
Smith was replaced by Hunt at half time and to be honest, he did run around a 
lot and put in a lot of effort but 90% of it was to no purpose.He seemed to 
think that shouting with the keeper over time wasting showed his commitment to 
the cause. Then came another match changing moment, Ross bet his man and let 
loose a thunderbolt that the keeper just turned onto the post and out ..if 
only
Our passing was getting more and more ragged by this stage, each pass not quite 
where the man wanted it or at a bad height etc, other passes just totally 
awful, Charlton were growing more confident and their passing was crisp and to 
a man in space (not that they were any good). Then came the move that decided 
it all, they got the ball sprayed it across the park and found their left 
winger who cut inside Warnock and curved it into the net - a good strike but 
bad defending and it was a goal we knew was coming 4 or 5 passes before that.
We then took off the largely ineffective Wooton (he is not a right back) and 
brought on Poleon who was welcomed by the crowd as if he was the answer to all 
our prayers. Sadly he was not, he got the ball deep in our half and looked like 
he was aiming to run the length of the pitch, but 3 Charlton players chased him 
down and that was the sum total of his 20plus minutes on the pitch. 
We did have a few scrambles and then came our best chance of getting something 
from the game, a bit of melee led to the ball falling to White on the edge of 
the box , as he strode purposefully forward he was pushed in the back and went 
over, clear penalty for my money.
They argued, the lad who committed the foul lay on the floor 'injured' and 
generally delayed things. Always a bad sign. Ross had the ball under his arm 
the whole time - injury time pen on his 150th appearance, surely he would score 
said my heart - he is going to miss said my head. As you all know he hit it OK 
but the keeper dived and pushed it out - so that chance went begging and with 
it the chance of any points at all.
The crowd who remained silent about both McDermott and Cellino did vent their 
spleen on a couple of occasions. David Haigh is a wanker rang out a few times, 
the SS singers did their 'turn your back on GFH' song. you're not fit to run 
the club F off to the GFH echoed around the ground the later song the back 
drop to the exodus at full time

A real drudge back to the buses and train station with fans agreeing 50points 
was the accepted wisdom for staying up and we have 47 - where can we get 3 more 
points? Surely we can manage that in 6 games but if so where ?

So doom and gloom all round. Any admin will certainly mean relegation this 
season now and even without it , have no doubts we ARE in a relegation fight. 
It may all come down to beating Barnsley at Oakwell and we know how well we 
have done there in recent years

Leeds United - beyond a joke

Dave
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Re: [LU] Charlton Away

[Joe Skinner]

Yeah, I had quite a good view where I was sat, so it started:

Kenny

Lees -- Erm 1 --- Erm 2 -

PeltierPugh

Austin--Brown---Murphy---

--Blackstock--Ross


I can see why he's playing 3-5-2 as it lends itself to 5-3-2 and gives you 3 
central defenders and 3 central midfielders to plug up the middle but for most 
of the game the line up was more:

Kenny
Peltier-Lees - Lithuanian --- Erm 2 Pugh
-Brown-
Austin-Murphy
Ross--
Blackstock-

And even, for long spells

Kenny
--Peltier--Lees - Lithuanian - Erm 2 -Pugh--
-Brown-
Austin-Murphy-Ross

---Massive gap


--Blackstock/Smith---



Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 22:12:04 +
From: matthew.gayn...@btopenworld.com
Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton Away
To: jacksonpollocks...@hotmail.com; leedslist@gn.apc.org

Our line up was a bit weird.
Pugh seemed to think he was playing left wing back but on the other side 
Peltier didnt really get forward much and had Rudy in front of him for most of 
the game - which was a bit of a waste as we could have done with his 'motor' in 
the middle of the pitch - which was largely left to Brown and Murphy.
Despite the groans when we found out he was playing - this was probably the one 
game you would pick Michael Brown for - pretty attritional in a bog and he did 
Ok as did Pugh.
Its difficult to say we were the better team but i guess we adapted fairly well 
- whilst Charlton kept trying to pass it around the morass of a pitch and it 
rarely flowed. We know we're not good enough for that and so concentrated on 
hitting
 areas a bit more.
Despite the pitch 2 of McCormacks goals (3rd and 4th were very good) as was 
their first.Their 2nd was frantically shambolic defending - too scared of 
giving away a penalty to actually tackle anyone. Our penalty also looked a bit 
soft.
McCormack was clearly the hero - though honorary mentions to Rudy, Brown and 
Murphy.We thought the last time a Leeds player had got 4 was Smith in Florence 
- but it turns out it was actually Brian Deane v QPR - Danny Pugh is the common 
link between those games.
Matt

From: Joe Skinner jacksonpollocks...@hotmail.com

It was bad last year and seemed to have got worse, it was raining but not that 
much, I think the problem is that it's literally in a valley. Bit weird having 
a delayed kick off but didn't seem to dim our fans' enthusiasm. Massive bits of 
the pitch were under water or mud and the ball stuck a lot.

Almost Ironically, this hindered them not us. They try and play football but 
are a bit lightweight. They still have a midfielder at right back - something I 
wasn't really sure why we never targeted properly. 

We lined up 3-5-2, . We were
 5-3-2 half the time.

  
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Re: [LU] Charlton Away

[Richard Naef]

erm1  erm 2 = Wooton  Pearce

ttfn

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From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On
Behalf Of Joe Skinner
Sent: 11 November 2013 08:44
To: MATTHEW GAYNOR; leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Charlton Away

Yeah, I had quite a good view where I was sat, so it started:

Kenny

Lees -- Erm 1 --- Erm 2 -

PeltierPugh

Austin--Brown---Murphy---

--Blackstock--Ross


I can see why he's playing 3-5-2 as it lends itself to 5-3-2 and gives you 3
central defenders and 3 central midfielders to plug up the middle but for
most of the game the line up was more:

Kenny
Peltier-Lees - Lithuanian --- Erm 2 Pugh
-Brown-
Austin-Murphy
Ross--
Blackstock-

And even, for long spells

Kenny
--Peltier--Lees - Lithuanian - Erm 2 -Pugh--
-Brown-
Austin-Murphy-Ross

---Massive gap


--Blackstock/Smith---





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[LU] Charlton Away

[Joe Skinner]

I actually went to a game for once, so will do a brief match report, as I 
didn't see any others.

Pretty empty ground in bits, they do a lot of very good work in the community 
but struggle to fill it week in week out and there's no real hard core I ever 
seem to see when I go. Leeds away end was full as per usual. Leeds fans in 
great voice. Not that much to shout for early doors as they played by far the 
better football on a frankly terrible pitch that if we'd only had a few hundred 
away fans, would probably have been called off.

It was bad last year and seemed to have got worse, it was raining but not that 
much, I think the problem is that it's literally in a valley. Bit weird having 
a delayed kick off but didn't seem to dim our fans' enthusiasm. Massive bits of 
the pitch were under water or mud and the ball stuck a lot.

Almost Ironically, this hindered them not us. They try and play football but 
are a bit lightweight. They still have a midfielder at right back - something I 
wasn't really sure why we never targeted properly. 

We lined up 3-5-2, McCormack  Blackstock up front, Ross on the left, drifting 
about - maybe they were targeting Wilson. Brown, Crewe lad  Austin in a 
midfield 3. Poleon (?) right wing back, Pugh left wing back. Lees  can't 
remember the other 2 center backs. One came off at half time for the Lithuanian 
who is a unit.  Kenny in goal. We were 5-3-2 half the time.

Our first came against the run of play, I missed the build up but saw the smart 
finish low down in the corner. They pretty much dominated the first half, I'm 
not sure if this was becasue we sat back, or becasue they were out passing us - 
we were adapting to the conditions better but hitting a lot of long balls and 
balls out wide for people to chase. A bit daft as Ross is tiny and never wins 
anything in the air. Blackstock was largely anonymous in the first half, I 
think if I'm honest, he was hiding a bit (going goalside of the defender etc. a 
couple of times) I'd gone for another beer and missed their goal but looking at 
the goals this morning it was a bit of a thing we never cleared properly and a 
good finish from them but I think he shinned it.

I think they had a weak penalty shout turned down, had a couple of headers over 
and some shots but I don't think Kenny had too much to save. I think we 
literally had one shot on goal and scored. Pretty dull football on a shit pitch.

Second half the 3-5-2 became 5-3-2 again after we won what looked like a pretty 
clear penalty. 2-1. Slightly odd. We dropped deeper and deeper and the 5-3-2 
became 5-1-3-1 with Brown in front of the back 5, Ross wide wide left and 
Austin wide wide right and Blackstock on his own - We played balls out wide for 
either to chase, Austin doing a much better job of it than Ross. I'd say he's a 
lazy fucker but credit where credit's due, he took his chances today!

Whether it was them trying to play football or us dropping deeper and deeper 
and conceding possession (our ball retention was abysmal, absolutely terrible, 
rushed clearances, booted and headed forward aimlessly) - I'm not sure. We 
seemed to have switched off and thought we'd won already, even our fans had 
gone quiet.

Their equalizer came down our right again, some good work from their player who 
danced rings round us and an 'easy' tap in. I thought we'd go on to crumble and 
collapse but it was them who folded. Some of their players flat out quit and 
gave up when we got our 3rd shortly after (their 2nd goal scorer particularly). 
I think we'd knocked it out long to the flanks, crossed it in, Ross looked to 
have lost it and was muscled off the ball, but he'd lost his marker and slotted 
another one in forcefully. Great finish. 

I think they tried to give it a go for a few mins. We took Blackstock off to a 
good ovation, he put a shift in second half. Smith, I think came on. I don't 
remember us being under great pressure, Austin nearly got one but shot 
over/wide - we got a soft free kick late on (the ref was pretty poor and I 
think we got a massive rub of the green today (more brown)), Smith was fouling 
their player and Ross put it exactly where he was and another! great finish for 
4-2. Party time. I'd say we probably had 5-6 shots total, 4 on target and 4 
goals!

Not sure it was men against boys but they definitely gave up at 2-2 and 3-2. We 
conceded far too much territory and possession and not sure needing to score 3 
goals away from home every away game is going to get us far. Brown did a lot of 
talking, organising, provoking, pointing, blocking etc. We broke the flow of 
the game up first half, lots of niggly fouls, players going down 'injured' etc. 
Really put them off their stride.

Austin was quiet but very effective, he doesn't say or do much but leads by 
example - my MOTM if I'm being churlish to Ross, he literally did nothing 
except score 4.

 I'd forgotten the Crewe lad was on in the first half and tried to watch him 
the second. he was 

[LU] Charlton

[Richard Naef]

Just back from the charlton match due to a combination of post match
celebrations and National Rail making a normal 1 hour train ride into a 3
hour voyage of discovery.

 

Match delayed by about 35 mins but the wonder of the Internet meant that
most Leeds fans discovered this before getting to the ground meaning 36 mins
extra drinking time meaning most of the Leeds fans were a pint or two more
pissed before getting to the ground meaning the away support was even more
rambunctious than normal and pretty much sang all the way through.  It
looked as if there were Charlton fans in attendance today, but apart from a
cheer when they scored they were entirely quiet throughout the afternoon.  

 

The extra prematch drinking means that even more so than ever I can't
provide a particularly detailed précis of the match, hopefully someone
soberer and more knowledgeable will be able to provide a detailed review of
the afternoons proceedings, but until then here is my tuppencesworth - 

 

Brown AND Pugh WHAAAT?

4 shots on target 4 goals!

MCcormick 4 touches 4 goals!

Paddy made at least 2 fantastic saves, but was caught embarrassingly flat
footed for their second.

Charlton were probably the best team.

Rudy Austin has his own song - to Buffalo Soldier…

Can't remember the last game I was at that we won by 2 goals

What had Diouf done to deserver be on the bench - spoke to some Lees fans
who were at the Leeds on the Road event the night before and said that very
same question was asked and seemingly a combination of being late to start
preseason training, injury and a family issue has meant he's not even
considered above Pugh or Brown or even a place on the Bench.

Pearce had a good game

Austin in not a right winger and was wasted there, especially since the
wings were waterlogged and pretty unplayable and most of the play went
straight through the middle of the pitch.

crackin' day out!

 

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[LU] charlton

[Richard Naef]

Looking forward to a wet day out at Charlton tomorrow,

 

BmcD has some choices to make as it looks as if Byram and Warnock are out.
I'd like to see Diouf and Blackstock included, but might be a tad
adventurous?

 

3-5-2?  

 

Paddy

 

Wotton Lukakis Lees

 

Diouff  Austin Murphy Mowatt  Tonge

 

Mccormick Blackstock 

 

or

 

4-4-2?

 

Paddy

 

Pugh Zaliukas Wooton Peltier

 

Austin Murphy Mowatt  Tonge

 

Mccormick Blackstock 

 

 

 

 

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Re: [LU] charlton

[Richard walker]

I'm liking your 3-5-2 but your 4-4-2 would result in certain defeat.

Without Byram I don't fancy our chances.

Sent from my iPad

 On 8 Nov 2013, at 20:08, Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk 
 wrote:
 
 Looking forward to a wet day out at Charlton tomorrow,
 
 
 
 BmcD has some choices to make as it looks as if Byram and Warnock are out.
 I'd like to see Diouf and Blackstock included, but might be a tad
 adventurous?
 
 
 
 3-5-2?  
 
 
 
 Paddy
 
 
 
 Wotton Lukakis Lees
 
 
 
 Diouff  Austin Murphy Mowatt  Tonge
 
 
 
 Mccormick Blackstock 
 
 
 
 or
 
 
 
 4-4-2?
 
 
 
 Paddy
 
 
 
 Pugh Zaliukas Wooton Peltier
 
 
 
 Austin Murphy Mowatt  Tonge
 
 
 
 Mccormick Blackstock 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [LU] charlton

[Simon Austin]

From the Leeds on the Road event tonight, someone asked about Diouf not
playing much - McDermott (or McDerMOTt, as the schedule had him)
basically said he missed pre-season, he's been off on international
duty, been on compassionate leave and he'll not make it through a match.
So he prefers to play younger players. Eddie suggested later that he
can't run any more (he compared him to Robbie Fowler), and since Leeds
have signed up with Prozone to track how much players run in a game,
this may have some bearing on things.

- Si

On 08/11/13 20:08, Richard Naef wrote:
 BmcD has some choices to make as it looks as if Byram and Warnock are out.
 I'd like to see Diouf and Blackstock included, but might be a tad
 adventurous?


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[LU] Charlton

[David Nattan]

I will keep it short and (not so) sweet - last night was very poor indeed,
2 average teams playing poorly in a game devoid of goal mouth action and
incident.
Neither team deserved more than a point in a dire game played in front of a
small and very disinterested crowd
The crowd, once again, gives the lie to the 'reduce prices and the place
will be packed' argument. It was a Cat C (£20 cheapest with the possibility
of getting £5 off if you know a ST holder) and yet less than 18k bothered.

Norris was OK, Diouf showed bits of class, Byram looked tired and is wasted
at full back, Becchio, Brown and Varney were all poor.

We failed once again to keep a clean sheet

I was disappointed that Hall did not get a run out - he is supposed to have
pace and the ability to take players on. If he is not ready why did we let
Poleon go to Bury ?

Hopefully Austin will be back on Saturday to add a bit of drive and energy
into the team

The goal was reasonable - Byram was chopped down but the ref played on as
the ball came to Brown, he crossed it into the box and Varney rose well and
headed it down towards Norris who turned and hit a good shot that the
keeper had no chance with. That was pretty much our only shot on target all
game.
The equaliser was poor defending - we let them pass it along the edge of
our area unchallenged and then one of them shot through a crowd of players
and the ball  found its way into the bottom corner.
They were no better than us and they only had 2 other chances of note - one
where Lees(?) miscued it onto the bar , very close to an own goal and then
Kenny made a good save right at the death to save a point.

Lets hope for a massive improvement on Saturday and we can get revenge for
last years hammering at the hands of their tall lad

Dave
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[LU] charlton

[David Nattan]

I will keep it short and (not so) sweet - last night was very poor indeed,
2 average teams playing poorly in a game devoid of goal mouth action and
incident.
Neither team deserved more than a point in a dire game played in front of a
small and very disinterested crowd
The crowd, once again, gives the lie to the 'reduce prices and the place
will be packed' argument. It was a Cat C (£20 cheapest with the possibility
of getting £5 off if you know a ST holder) and yet less than 18k bothered.

Norris was OK, Diouf showed bits of class, Byram looked tired and is wasted
at full back, Becchio, Brown and Varney were all poor.

We failed once again to keep a clean sheet

I was disappointed that Hall did not get a run out - he is supposed to have
pace and the ability to take players on. If he is not ready why did we let
Poleon go to Bury ?

Hopefully Austin will be back on Saturday to add a bit of drive and energy
into the team

The goal was reasonable - Byram was chopped down but the ref played on as
the ball came to Brown, he crossed it into the box and Varney rose well and
headed it down towards Norris who turned and hit a good shot that the
keeper had no chance with. That was pretty much our only shot on target all
game.
The equaliser was poor defending - we let them pass it along the edge of
our area unchallenged and then one of them shot through a crowd of players
and the ball  found its way into the bottom corner.
They were no better than us and they only had 2 other chances of note - one
where Lees(?) miscued it onto the bar , very close to an own goal and then
Kenny made a good save right at the death to save a point.

Lets hope for a massive improvement on Saturday and we can get revenge for
last years hammering at the hands of their tall lad

Dave
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Re: [LU] Charlton

[Nicholas Armit]

Ah but Eddie Gray and the other announcer said 17,000 is good for other teams 
and there was probably good stuff on tv (he really did say something of the 
sort).

Total refusal to admit something is not right at ER.




 From: David Nattan nat...@sky.com
To: leeds list leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 7:36 AM
Subject: [LU] Charlton
 
I will keep it short and (not so) sweet - last night was very poor indeed,
2 average teams playing poorly in a game devoid of goal mouth action and
incident.
Neither team deserved more than a point in a dire game played in front of a
small and very disinterested crowd
The crowd, once again, gives the lie to the 'reduce prices and the place
will be packed' argument. It was a Cat C (£20 cheapest with the possibility
of getting £5 off if you know a ST holder) and yet less than 18k bothered.

Norris was OK, Diouf showed bits of class, Byram looked tired and is wasted
at full back, Becchio, Brown and Varney were all poor.

We failed once again to keep a clean sheet

I was disappointed that Hall did not get a run out - he is supposed to have
pace and the ability to take players on. If he is not ready why did we let
Poleon go to Bury ?

Hopefully Austin will be back on Saturday to add a bit of drive and energy
into the team

The goal was reasonable - Byram was chopped down but the ref played on as
the ball came to Brown, he crossed it into the box and Varney rose well and
headed it down towards Norris who turned and hit a good shot that the
keeper had no chance with. That was pretty much our only shot on target all
game.
The equaliser was poor defending - we let them pass it along the edge of
our area unchallenged and then one of them shot through a crowd of players
and the ball  found its way into the bottom corner.
They were no better than us and they only had 2 other chances of note - one
where Lees(?) miscued it onto the bar , very close to an own goal and then
Kenny made a good save right at the death to save a point.

Lets hope for a massive improvement on Saturday and we can get revenge for
last years hammering at the hands of their tall lad

Dave
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Re: [LU] Charlton

[Wayne]

Eddie Gray also said
Can't see them scoring.. Which he says every week, just before they score.. 



Nicholas Armit arm...@yahoo.com wrote:

Ah but Eddie Gray and the other announcer said 17,000 is good for other
teams and there was probably good stuff on tv (he really did say
something of the sort).

Total refusal to admit something is not right at ER.




 From: David Nattan nat...@sky.com
To: leeds list leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 7:36 AM
Subject: [LU] Charlton
 
I will keep it short and (not so) sweet - last night was very poor
indeed,
2 average teams playing poorly in a game devoid of goal mouth action
and
incident.
Neither team deserved more than a point in a dire game played in front
of a
small and very disinterested crowd
The crowd, once again, gives the lie to the 'reduce prices and the
place
will be packed' argument. It was a Cat C (£20 cheapest with the
possibility
of getting £5 off if you know a ST holder) and yet less than 18k
bothered.

Norris was OK, Diouf showed bits of class, Byram looked tired and is
wasted
at full back, Becchio, Brown and Varney were all poor.

We failed once again to keep a clean sheet

I was disappointed that Hall did not get a run out - he is supposed to
have
pace and the ability to take players on. If he is not ready why did we
let
Poleon go to Bury ?

Hopefully Austin will be back on Saturday to add a bit of drive and
energy
into the team

The goal was reasonable - Byram was chopped down but the ref played on
as
the ball came to Brown, he crossed it into the box and Varney rose well
and
headed it down towards Norris who turned and hit a good shot that the
keeper had no chance with. That was pretty much our only shot on target
all
game.
The equaliser was poor defending - we let them pass it along the edge
of
our area unchallenged and then one of them shot through a crowd of
players
and the ball  found its way into the bottom corner.
They were no better than us and they only had 2 other chances of note -
one
where Lees(?) miscued it onto the bar , very close to an own goal and
then
Kenny made a good save right at the death to save a point.

Lets hope for a massive improvement on Saturday and we can get revenge
for
last years hammering at the hands of their tall lad

Dave
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