Re: Fwd: Project idea, trail and Error.
Curtis, use a very thin walled piece of conduit, 5/8" OD. Slide all your pieces over it to create a glued stack and then pass a threaded rod through the middle to clamp them in a same manner as you did on the first one. When the glue is dry, remove the threaded rod and replace it with a 1/2 steel rod that will now be your core to hold your turning onto your lathe as well as adding to the stability. When you are finished milling, you will be able to remove the core, add ends, and have a strong light finished piece. Comparably speaking, this is like turning a pen, but this would be the telephone pole of the pen world, so congratulations! LOL Mike OK On 6/28/2016 8:33 PM, CURTIS GEORGE wrote: On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 2:25 PM, CURTIS GEORGE <curtgeo...@wowway.com <mailto:curtgeo...@wowway.com>> wrote: Thank you Richard My glue up was all at one time. I glues each piece of wood and then slid the wood down over the rod. and then using a set of square washers and nuts, I tightened the ends to get the clamping pressure I needed. On the good side the all thread rod did a great job with the clamping. On my next attempt, I think I will be using, 1/4" or 3/8" stainless steel tubing? that should give me the stability that I need as well as keeping this project as light as possible. Like I said in the topic its all Trail and Error. If I want to get crazy, I could use thicker all thread rod. and make this really solid, but then this turning most likely could not be used for canes, but would work out well for something like lamp stands and or things like, stair case parts??? You know I just had a crazy idea. If I use two small rods for the spine, and then I could use each rod for an axis, this would make a oval/off set spindle, perhaps the shape of the cane would help the stability problem? Or not... but it would be something fun to play around with. ;-) I have to run. Have a great day. talk to you , and everyone else latter. C.A.G. *From: *"rchrd ellis1" <rchrd.ell...@gmail.com <mailto:rchrd.ell...@gmail.com>> *To: *"Legacy Ornamental Mills" <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com>> *Cc: *curtgeo...@wowway.com <mailto:curtgeo...@wowway.com> *Sent: *Tuesday, June 28, 2016 2:50:18 AM *Subject: *Re: Project idea, trail and Error. Hi Curtis How did you glue all the small pieces together?? in batches or by all the pieces on the rod and then clamped by a nut at each end, I wonder if it was the latter did the clamp exert the same pressure on the center pieces. I notice chip board is harder on the outside than it is in the center, and their press must be huge. I think alloy tube would be O.K. for the spine, it does bend but does not stay bent as much as mild steel. The slices cut at an angle !!! Would they try to slide about when glued and clamped ?? I do like to see experiments Regards Richard On Monday, June 27, 2016 at 2:34:52 PM UTC+1, Curtis wrote: Thank you Mac I will try your suggestions, Perhaps you are right, that a bigger surface glue joint could take up the play/slop in this concept ? You know the funny thing here is that My Wife suggested the same things, but for different reasons, (He suggestions were for appearance/comedic appeal. not structure.) Thank you. C.A.G. *From: *"MWF" <mwfo...@earthlink.net <http://javascript-blocked/>> *To: *legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <http://javascript-blocked/> *Sent: *Monday, June 27, 2016 3:15:06 AM *Subject: *Re: Project idea, trail and Error. Curtis, Perhaps you could try cutting your pieces such that their glue surfaces are at a "diagonal", like this: (Sort of like you sometimes see some country-style small slabs of wood cut from a tree branch and sanded down to serve as a small cheese cutting board of a message painted on them - making them a sort of sign - like sold at "Cracker Barrel" restaurants.) / ### / ### / ### / ### / Only with more of a skew for the cuts. This will GREATLY increase the surface area of the "glue joints" - which should help a lot in reducing the flexing. Cut your pieces at a 45 or 60 degree angle to the end grain - then stack and glue them all together. Another way to try is to get some *high quality* (many thin laminations) thin plywood. Cut it into strips a bit wider than
Re: Project idea, trail and Error.
Thank you Mac I will try your suggestions, Perhaps you are right, that a bigger surface glue joint could take up the play/slop in this concept ? You know the funny thing here is that My Wife suggested the same things, but for different reasons, (He suggestions were for appearance/comedic appeal. not structure.) Thank you. C.A.G. - Original Message - From: "MWF" <mwfos...@earthlink.net> To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, June 27, 2016 3:15:06 AM Subject: Re: Project idea, trail and Error. Curtis, Perhaps you could try cutting your pieces such that their glue surfaces are at a "diagonal", like this: (Sort of like you sometimes see some country-style small slabs of wood cut from a tree branch and sanded down to serve as a small cheese cutting board of a message painted on them - making them a sort of sign - like sold at "Cracker Barrel" restaurants.) / ### / ### / ### / ### / Only with more of a skew for the cuts. This will GREATLY increase the surface area of the "glue joints" - which should help a lot in reducing the flexing. Cut your pieces at a 45 or 60 degree angle to the end grain - then stack and glue them all together. Another way to try is to get some high quality (many thin laminations) thin plywood. Cut it into strips a bit wider than your glue-up - and as long as the cane/stack of pieces. After gluing up all the stack, rip it down the center - yielding two "halves" the length of the cane. Now take those two halves and glue them to the long strip of plywood and let dry/cure well. This will create a "ply spine" down the length of the cane - most likely reducing the "whipping" as you turn the shaft. If you still have more flex than you like, repeat the rip down the middle of the cane - only this time rip it so the nest ply strip is glued at 90 degrees off of the first strip. You should now have 4 "quadrants if you look down the shaft/cane from either end. You will now have "almost" two backbones down the cane's length. Now finish turning the shaft. You should have a lot less flex now. Let us know how it "turns" out. (Pun intended!) Mac -Original Message- From: CURTIS GEORGE Sent: Jun 25, 2016 3:47 PM To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills Subject: Project idea, trail and Error. Hello Everyone. Here is a project that I just wanted to try out, I glued it up over the week, and let it fully dry, today I started the turning. What you are looking at is, end grain used on a walking stick, with an All thread rod as the center/spine. of this rod. THe idea is/was to use end grain wood for walking sticks, the rod would add strength and make it easy to add on the handle and foot, once done. I had a lot of scraps in the old storage bin, Teak,Mahogany,and some kind of neat looking pallet wood for central america. all cut into squares and drilled out to fit onto a 3/8" steel all thread rod. The problem quickly was I,D,d . the center flexed a lot when being turned on the Legacy, even at the slow speed of the Legacy, the wood flexed. I tried to use my center support brace to keep the flexing, but sadly after trying every trick that I could think of , the flex won out. This is much thinner than I had planed, The end grain looks really nice, but I need to find a better material for the spine. Dose any one have any ideas??? Any and All ideas are (as always.) welcome. Have a Great weekend. C.A.G. [image/jpeg:IMG_6923.JPG] [image/jpeg:IMG_6924.JPG] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Project idea, trail and Error.
Curtis,Perhaps you could try cutting your pieces such that their glue surfaces are at a "diagonal", like this: (Sort of like you sometimes see some country-style small slabs of wood cut from a tree branch and sanded down to serve as a small cheese cutting board of a message painted on them - making them a sort of sign - like sold at "Cracker Barrel" restaurants.)/ ### / ### / ### / ### / Only with more of a skew for the cuts. This will GREATLY increase the surface area of the "glue joints" - which should help a lot in reducing the flexing. Cut your pieces at a 45 or 60 degree angle to the end grain - then stack and glue them all together.Another way to try is to get some high quality (many thin laminations) thin plywood. Cut it into strips a bit wider than your glue-up - and as long as the cane/stack of pieces. After gluing up all the stack, rip it down the center - yielding two "halves" the length of the cane. Now take those two halves and glue them to the long strip of plywood and let dry/cure well. This will create a "ply spine" down the length of the cane - most likely reducing the "whipping" as you turn the shaft. If you still have more flex than you like, repeat the rip down the middle of the cane - only this time rip it so the nest ply strip is glued at 90 degrees off of the first strip. You should now have 4 "quadrants if you look down the shaft/cane from either end. You will now have "almost" two backbones down the cane's length. Now finish turning the shaft. You should have a lot less flex now.Let us know how it "turns" out. (Pun intended!)Mac-Original Message- From: CURTIS GEORGE <curtgeo...@wowway.com> Sent: Jun 25, 2016 3:47 PM To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> Subject: Project idea, trail and Error. Hello Everyone.Here is a project that I just wanted to try out, I glued it up over the week, and let it fully dry, today I started the turning.What you are looking at is, end grain used on a walking stick, with an All thread rod as the center/spine. of this rod. THe idea is/was to use end grain wood for walking sticks, the rod would add strength and make it easy to add on the handle and foot, once done.I had a lot of scraps in the old storage bin, Teak,Mahogany,and some kind of neat looking pallet wood for central america. all cut into squares and drilled out to fit onto a 3/8" steel all thread rod.The problem quickly was I,D,d . the center flexed a lot when being turned on the Legacy, even at the slow speed of the Legacy, the wood flexed. I tried to use my center support brace to keep the flexing, but sadly after trying every trick that I could think of , the flex won out. This is much thinner than I had planed, The end grain looks really nice, but I need to find a better material for the spine.Dose any one have any ideas???Any and All ideas are (as always.) welcome.Have a Great weekend.C.A.G.[image/jpeg:IMG_6923.JPG][image/jpeg:IMG_6924.JPG] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Project idea, trail and Error.
Curtis When I saw your project and pics. it reminded me of a friend ,(sadly gone to the great hunting grounds in the heavens ), He made a walking stick out of a bulls tool He hung it up to dry in his barn but not high enough to escape from the rats, the beggars eat anything !!! I do like the pattern on your stick, needs a good steady or two to stop the flexing. Threaded rod not a good idea maybe?? On Saturday, June 25, 2016 at 8:47:55 PM UTC+1, Curtis wrote: > > Hello Everyone. > Here is a project that I just wanted to try out, I glued it up over the > week, and let it fully dry, today I started the turning. > > What you are looking at is, end grain used on a walking stick, with an All > thread rod as the center/spine. of this rod. THe idea is/was to use end > grain wood for walking sticks, the rod would add strength and make it easy > to add on the handle and foot, once done. > > I had a lot of scraps in the old storage bin, Teak,Mahogany,and some kind > of neat looking pallet wood for central america. all cut into squares and > drilled out to fit onto a 3/8" steel all thread rod. > > The problem quickly was I,D,d . the center flexed a lot when being turned > on the Legacy, even at the slow speed of the Legacy, the wood flexed. I > tried to use my center support brace to keep the flexing, but sadly after > trying every trick that I could think of , the flex won out. This is much > thinner than I had planed, The end grain looks really nice, but I need to > find a better material for the spine. > Dose any one have any ideas??? > > Any and All ideas are (as always.) welcome. > > Have a Great weekend. > C.A.G. > > > > > [image/jpeg:IMG_6923.JPG] > > > > > > > [image/jpeg:IMG_6924.JPG] > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Project idea, trail and Error.
Ps opps forgot for the spine how about square tubing eather steel or more likely aluminium. like our mills rails less flexing in aluminium Bill From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CURTIS GEORGE Sent: Sunday, 26 June 2016 5:48 AM To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills Subject: Project idea, trail and Error. Hello Everyone. Here is a project that I just wanted to try out, I glued it up over the week, and let it fully dry, today I started the turning. What you are looking at is, end grain used on a walking stick, with an All thread rod as the center/spine. of this rod. THe idea is/was to use end grain wood for walking sticks, the rod would add strength and make it easy to add on the handle and foot, once done. I had a lot of scraps in the old storage bin, Teak,Mahogany,and some kind of neat looking pallet wood for central america. all cut into squares and drilled out to fit onto a 3/8" steel all thread rod. The problem quickly was I,D,d . the center flexed a lot when being turned on the Legacy, even at the slow speed of the Legacy, the wood flexed. I tried to use my center support brace to keep the flexing, but sadly after trying every trick that I could think of , the flex won out. This is much thinner than I had planed, The end grain looks really nice, but I need to find a better material for the spine. Dose any one have any ideas??? Any and All ideas are (as always.) welcome. Have a Great weekend. C.A.G. [image/jpeg:IMG_6923.JPG] [image/jpeg:IMG_6924.JPG] Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Project Idea
Hello again Dexter. Im sorry that no one else has posted to your project. I personally would like to thank you for the time you put twords this posting. I think the lack of response has more to do with the Clear Cut A Dry pictures, There is not room for questions form others To make. ;-) I very much like your use of the story stick idea, It would make it very easy to reproduce as many exact copies of your wood project as you may want to make, Your checkering idea makes an ordinary wood project look Extraordinary. I Thank you. C.A.G. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Project Idea
Hello Dexter, Great project. I am just getting off the road and going through the group posts. I like the way you dropped the pre-built box down to surface level to accomplish the cuts, way to start with the end in mind. Keep up the good work, it's the little details that make the wow. Mike OK On 5/4/2015 8:47 AM, Curtis wrote: Hello again Dexter. Im sorry that no one else has posted to your project. I personally would like to thank you for the time you put twords this posting. I think the lack of response has more to do with the Clear Cut A Dry pictures, There is not room for questions form others To make. ;-) I very much like your use of the story stick idea, It would make it very easy to reproduce as many exact copies of your wood project as you may want to make, Your checkering idea makes an ordinary wood project look Extraordinary. I Thank you. C.A.G. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Project Idea
Had to come up with a way to hold the box, hence the mounted board on the legacy. It would be almost impossible to cut the pieces and then glue them together and all the cuts line up perfectly. Mike, I used your number of cranks to determine distance moved instead of using the scale. Makes the process go much faster and probably more accurate. That was a very valuable hint. On Monday, May 4, 2015 at 9:05:24 AM UTC-5, LILtwisted wrote: Hello Dexter, Great project. I am just getting off the road and going through the group posts. I like the way you dropped the pre-built box down to surface level to accomplish the cuts, way to start with the end in mind. Keep up the good work, it's the little details that make the wow. Mike OK -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Project Idea
Awesome JOB Dexter!!! Its KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid.) I love it! Thank you for sharing C.A.G. - Original Message - From: Dexter Bland dexterbl...@gmail.com To: legacy-ornamental-mills legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 10:21:37 AM Subject: Project Idea Here is the most current project that may give others some ideas. I was asked to dress up a mantle. They live in a rustic cabin so they did not want too fancy, but dressed up from what is currently is. I will try to get pictures of before and after once the project is completed. But for now, here is what has been made. Picture 1 - Mounted plywood jig on rails to hold work piece. Slots cut 4 apart to hold piece shown in picture 2. Picture 3 shows work piece mounted in jig and then picture 4 is with the cuts made. This is the same process that is described in one of the legacy projects, I think the flag box project. Anyway, the cuts are made with a 1.5 rope molding bit spaced 1.5 apart and cut in both directions. Picture 5 shows the piece re-positioned to cut the side of the piece. The only trick is to make sure that the cuts on the sides line up with the cuts on the front to give the wrap around look to the piece. Picture 6 is the pieces cut and shown in a mock-up of how they will be used. They will be mounted under the mantle as supports, or really to cover the existing supports under the mantle. Should give an interesting look to what is now a drab mantle. Now, to the sanding and applying a finish. -- Dexter Bland All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Project Idea
Hello Dexter How did I miss this posting. I like it! Keep up the good work! I too have some simple Legacy projects that people may like to see/make. Thank you Dexter. now back to work. C.A.G. On Jun 22, 8:56 pm, Tim Krause artmarb...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Dexter, I like it, there's a lot of room for creativity and embellishments that can be made on something that is functional and this could be made into something quite entertaining. -Tim - Original Message - From: Dexter Bland dexterbl...@gmail.com To: legacy-ornamental-mills legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 4:18 PM Subject: Project Idea After reading thru a bunch of the past conversations, there has been many requests for project ideas. Here is a simple project that I did a long time ago that I saw in some woodworking magazine. The project was intended not intended for the Legacy machine but it does make this project much safer to do than the way I did it the first time years ago. The project is a wooden gumball machine. There are only four wooden parts. The base is 8 x5 x0.75 , the top block is 3.5 x3.5 x2.75 , the dowel is 1.25 x7 3/8 , and a small 3/8 dowel about 1 long in bottom of the top block to make the dowel rotate. The spiral groove 3/8 wide and is about 3 5/8 long and rotates the large dowel slightly more than 90 degrees so the gumball will fall out into the recess in the base plate. When I did this the first time years ago, I did this with a router bit in a drill press and freehanded this following a pencil line I drew on the dowel. I m lucky that I still have all my fingers. You can almost do this with your eyes closed with the Legacy. The jar on top is just a pint mason jar with the lid ring glued to the top of the block. I used a chisel to create a funnel from the top of the block into the hole drilled in the dowel. This one pictured is made with White Oak with only wax as the finish. This makes a good x-mas present or something to put on your desk at work. -- Dexter All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Legacy Ornamental Mills group. To post to this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills?hl=en.
