Re: Noobe questions..
Go to http://turningaround.org/joecnc_hybrid.htm and let Rich and I know what parts need further explanation Art Ransom "Bill.Hallow" wrote: > Rich > I would really like to see your pictures and text that explain the rotary > axis. Please include me in your e-mail. > > Bill Hallow > > > > > > From: Rich Goldner > To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 9:36:22 PM > Subject: RE: Noobe questions.. > > > I have about 20 pictures and some text that explains the rotary axis. I will > be happy to email this to anyone who would like a copy. Just send me an > email request. > > -Original Message- > From: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com > [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Krause > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 9:13 PM > To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Noobe questions.. > > > Hi Rich, > > I believe that Joe's forum is private. You have to purchase the plan set to > enter. Do you care to share your photos? I'm curious too. > > -Tim > > - Original Message - > From: "Rich Goldner" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 4:22 PM > Subject: RE: Noobe questions.. > > > > Yes, I designed my own rotary axis. Take a look at the pictures on Joe's > forum (under mods/fourth axis) and you will see how easy it is to build, no > plans needed. Yes, I use Mach3 (I have been using Mach3 and its predecessors > for about eight years). Joe's hybrid as well as my rotary axis use steppers. > I use Gecko G203V stepper drivers. I have seen no effects from humidity on > the MDF. The three carriages are sealed and painted. The MDF table is bare. > > -Original Message- > From: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com > [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of SteveEJ > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 5:52 PM > To: Legacy Ornamental Mills > Subject: Re: Noobe questions.. > > > Rich, > Is the rotary axis mod you speak of your own design or are there actual > printed plans for it? Does your Joe use Mach3 for control or something else? > I presume it uses stepper motors and controllers as well? Also, does > humidity have any type of adverse effect on the MFD framing? (I presume that > it is painted and sealed well). > > Thanks, > > Steve > > On Jul 28, 1:45 pm, "Rich Goldner" wrote: > > Actually, you will be able to handle rotary stock up to about 12" X 40" if > you build your rotary axis the same way I did. > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com > > [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > > akran...@tx.rr.com > > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 1:11 PM > > To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com > > > > Cc: SteveEJ > > Subject: Re: Noobe questions.. > > > > > How is the company to work with for service and support? This > > > question makes it very obvious that you are new to this forum. I am not > the one to answer this question because I believe that it is safe to say > that I am VERY!! low on Legacy's love list. > > > > My sugestion is to build the Joe CNC 4by4 Hybrid and add a rotary > > axis. This will give you a fully functionaly CNC router and ability tt do > rotary stock up tp 6" by 36". Total cost will be around $3500 which is les > than the CNC 900 and a lot more useful machine. > > > > SteveEJ wrote: > > > > > Pens, Mouldings - both straight and curved, spindles, pilasters, > > > limited jointery. > > > > > Is it more cost effective to buy the CNC up front or get the non-CNC > > > version and upgrade later? ie: will there be parts/adapters that are > > > removed and not used anymore once the CNC is installed? > > > > > How is the company to work with for service and support? > > > > > Thanks again, > > > > > Steve > > > > > On Jul 27, 8:10 pm, wrote: > > > > There are several options avaliable but most important is what do > > > > you wnat the machine for > > > > > > SteveEJ wrote: > > > > > > > Folks, > > > > > I am new here and looking seriously at buying a Legacy 900. > > > > > There are several options available as well as a CNC upgrade. > > > > > The Legacy web site is not very informative about the CNC > upgrade(s). > > > > > With money and the econo
Re: Noobe questions..
How far is Camden Tenn. from you? There is someone there that has built or is building a Joe's Hybrid if you wanted to see one. I am in No. Calif. so that won't help you much. I have built one and have it working. I have not yet built my 4th axis, but I do plan to. I already own Rich's wizards. I am more than willing to answer any questions you may have about the Legacy, and/or Joe's Hybrid. Just the CNC alone is more fun than a barrel of monkeys. Bruce --- On Tue, 7/28/09, SteveEJ wrote: From: SteveEJ Subject: Re: Noobe questions.. To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills" Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 7:09 PM Bruce, I am located abut 35 miles NE of Memphis i Brighton, TN. Steve On Jul 28, 9:16 pm, BRUCE DORWORTH wrote: > Steve, where are you located? I am a previous Legacy owner, I had a 1200, > that I never used like I should. Because someone else started to CNC his > Legacy it got me started thinking about it. He abandoned his efforts and > built a Joe's Hybrid. I did so too. > > Although I haven't added my rotary axis yet, But I fully intend to. > > Bruce > > --- On Tue, 7/28/09, SteveEJ wrote: > > From: SteveEJ > Subject: Re: Noobe questions.. > To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills" > Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 3:31 PM > > Thanks Tim, > > Lots of answers that are appreciated. Looks like Legacy might be the > same type of company as I have dealt with before. And I did not like > it. > > I really wanted to get a machine that would allow turning. If the > Joe CNC 4X4 can be made to do that and there are no stability issues > then I will probably start with that. For the kit and plans it will be > about $600.00 which is not bad. I guess I'll look at getting the plans > first, reading and more reading. I got an email from someone with some > links to ShopBot as well. I need to check them out too. Electronics > and Programming never bothered me as that is kind of what I am doing > for a living now. > > It is really sad when I hear or read stories about lack of support > on expensive machines. Kinda pisses me off to be honest. I did email > Legacy requesting a catalog and never heard from them. > > Thanks Tim for the welcome! > > Steve > > On Jul 28, 6:18 pm, "Tim Krause" wrote: > > > > > Welcome to the group Steve, > > > Art is the founder of the group, and if I can speak for him, (Art is not a > > wordy guy. ) it was founded because of the lack of support by Legacy as a > > company that he started this group. I have always considered this group to > > be the missing manual, and the technical support for our machines. It is not > > sponsored or authorized or to my knowledge been asked to be shut down by > > Legacy. The owners of Legacy are aware of this group, and have posted > > messages on occasion. The owner of the company complemented me on an add on > > accessory that I'm currently prototyping. > > > After doing his own research Art built his own cnc machine before Legacy > > released their initial upgrade to our current machines. He bought some > > software from Legacy that they wrote to be used on their machines. The first > > version had bugs in it. When Art asked for an upgrade Legacy hung up on him > > saying it was for use on their equipment only. So, there is clearly some > > tension between the two individuals. > > > I own a model 900, and I built my own homebuilt machine so I have a little > > input about the upgrade to a current machine. I've made quite a few mods and > > little improvements to my 900 to make the machine perform to my level of > > expectations. It's not a tight milling machine by any standards. If you do > > buy cnc upgrade I would suggest going with the performance package with the > > rack and pinion option with the smart touch pad. It's the best of the cheap > > options. If you have lots of time you can convert a base model to cnc after > > a little research. Your still going to have some problems. > > > There is a steep learning curve in the cnc world and I have not seen > > legacy's cnc documentation, but they do have online tutorials that you can > > learn how the basic setup is done. Knowing how the manual machine works you > > can better adapt your gcode to use the cnc version more effectively. If your > > trying to make money right out of the box, a home built cnc takes just as > > much time to work out the bugs as the kit being offered by legacy. If you > > buy the OMG model, that has the best of all the components, but OMG that is > > expensive! You still have to learn to program the thing and how a router bit > > reacts
Re: Noobe questions..
Go to http://turningaround.org/joecnc_hybrid.htm and let Rich and I know what parts need further explanation Art Ransom "Bill.Hallow" wrote: > Rich > I would really like to see your pictures and text that explain the rotary > axis. Please include me in your e-mail. > > Bill Hallow > > > > > > From: Rich Goldner > To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 9:36:22 PM > Subject: RE: Noobe questions.. > > > I have about 20 pictures and some text that explains the rotary axis. I will > be happy to email this to anyone who would like a copy. Just send me an > email request. > > -Original Message- > From: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com > [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Krause > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 9:13 PM > To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Noobe questions.. > > > Hi Rich, > > I believe that Joe's forum is private. You have to purchase the plan set to > enter. Do you care to share your photos? I'm curious too. > > -Tim > > - Original Message - > From: "Rich Goldner" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 4:22 PM > Subject: RE: Noobe questions.. > > > > Yes, I designed my own rotary axis. Take a look at the pictures on Joe's > forum (under mods/fourth axis) and you will see how easy it is to build, no > plans needed. Yes, I use Mach3 (I have been using Mach3 and its predecessors > for about eight years). Joe's hybrid as well as my rotary axis use steppers. > I use Gecko G203V stepper drivers. I have seen no effects from humidity on > the MDF. The three carriages are sealed and painted. The MDF table is bare. > > -Original Message- > From: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com > [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of SteveEJ > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 5:52 PM > To: Legacy Ornamental Mills > Subject: Re: Noobe questions.. > > > Rich, > Is the rotary axis mod you speak of your own design or are there actual > printed plans for it? Does your Joe use Mach3 for control or something else? > I presume it uses stepper motors and controllers as well? Also, does > humidity have any type of adverse effect on the MFD framing? (I presume that > it is painted and sealed well). > > Thanks, > > Steve > > On Jul 28, 1:45 pm, "Rich Goldner" wrote: > > Actually, you will be able to handle rotary stock up to about 12" X 40" if > you build your rotary axis the same way I did. > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com > > [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > > akran...@tx.rr.com > > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 1:11 PM > > To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com > > > > Cc: SteveEJ > > Subject: Re: Noobe questions.. > > > > > How is the company to work with for service and support? This > > > question makes it very obvious that you are new to this forum. I am not > the one to answer this question because I believe that it is safe to say > that I am VERY!! low on Legacy's love list. > > > > My sugestion is to build the Joe CNC 4by4 Hybrid and add a rotary > > axis. This will give you a fully functionaly CNC router and ability tt do > rotary stock up tp 6" by 36". Total cost will be around $3500 which is les > than the CNC 900 and a lot more useful machine. > > > > SteveEJ wrote: > > > > > Pens, Mouldings - both straight and curved, spindles, pilasters, > > > limited jointery. > > > > > Is it more cost effective to buy the CNC up front or get the non-CNC > > > version and upgrade later? ie: will there be parts/adapters that are > > > removed and not used anymore once the CNC is installed? > > > > > How is the company to work with for service and support? > > > > > Thanks again, > > > > > Steve > > > > > On Jul 27, 8:10 pm, wrote: > > > > There are several options avaliable but most important is what do > > > > you wnat the machine for > > > > > > SteveEJ wrote: > > > > > > > Folks, > > > > > I am new here and looking seriously at buying a Legacy 900. > > > > > There are several options available as well as a CNC upgrade. > > > > > The Legacy web site is not very informative about the CNC > upgrade(s). > > > > > With money and the econo
Re: Noobe questions..
Rich I would really like to see your pictures and text that explain the rotary axis. Please include me in your e-mail. Bill Hallow From: Rich Goldner To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 9:36:22 PM Subject: RE: Noobe questions.. I have about 20 pictures and some text that explains the rotary axis. I will be happy to email this to anyone who would like a copy. Just send me an email request. -Original Message- From: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Krause Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 9:13 PM To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Noobe questions.. Hi Rich, I believe that Joe's forum is private. You have to purchase the plan set to enter. Do you care to share your photos? I'm curious too. -Tim - Original Message - From: "Rich Goldner" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 4:22 PM Subject: RE: Noobe questions.. Yes, I designed my own rotary axis. Take a look at the pictures on Joe's forum (under mods/fourth axis) and you will see how easy it is to build, no plans needed. Yes, I use Mach3 (I have been using Mach3 and its predecessors for about eight years). Joe's hybrid as well as my rotary axis use steppers. I use Gecko G203V stepper drivers. I have seen no effects from humidity on the MDF. The three carriages are sealed and painted. The MDF table is bare. -Original Message- From: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of SteveEJ Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 5:52 PM To: Legacy Ornamental Mills Subject: Re: Noobe questions.. Rich, Is the rotary axis mod you speak of your own design or are there actual printed plans for it? Does your Joe use Mach3 for control or something else? I presume it uses stepper motors and controllers as well? Also, does humidity have any type of adverse effect on the MFD framing? (I presume that it is painted and sealed well). Thanks, Steve On Jul 28, 1:45 pm, "Rich Goldner" wrote: > Actually, you will be able to handle rotary stock up to about 12" X 40" if you build your rotary axis the same way I did. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com > [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > akran...@tx.rr.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 1:11 PM > To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com > > Cc: SteveEJ > Subject: Re: Noobe questions.. > > > How is the company to work with for service and support? This > > question makes it very obvious that you are new to this forum. I am not the one to answer this question because I believe that it is safe to say that I am VERY!! low on Legacy's love list. > > My sugestion is to build the Joe CNC 4by4 Hybrid and add a rotary > axis. This will give you a fully functionaly CNC router and ability tt do rotary stock up tp 6" by 36". Total cost will be around $3500 which is les than the CNC 900 and a lot more useful machine. > > SteveEJ wrote: > > > Pens, Mouldings - both straight and curved, spindles, pilasters, > > limited jointery. > > > Is it more cost effective to buy the CNC up front or get the non-CNC > > version and upgrade later? ie: will there be parts/adapters that are > > removed and not used anymore once the CNC is installed? > > > How is the company to work with for service and support? > > > Thanks again, > > > Steve > > > On Jul 27, 8:10 pm, wrote: > > > There are several options avaliable but most important is what do > > > you wnat the machine for > > > > SteveEJ wrote: > > > > > Folks, > > > > I am new here and looking seriously at buying a Legacy 900. > > > > There are several options available as well as a CNC upgrade. > > > > The Legacy web site is not very informative about the CNC upgrade(s). > > > > With money and the economy being as it is, and I am saving for > > > > the machine I want to make sure that I make good decisions up front. > > > > So with that in mind, is buying a 900 without the CNC upgrade > > > > smart or would it be better if I save a little longer and get > > > > the machine with the CNC upgrade? I don't want to but > > > > accessories and have them obsolete as soon as I get the upgrade. > > > > Another concern I have is the company itself. Post purchase > > > > service and help is a big thing for me. I may be a little gun > > > > shy here as I bought a CarveWright and had repair issues right > > > > out of the box. Down time really has put a dampe
Re: Noobe questions..
Posted Rich's pictures and write up on A axis on my site at http://turningaround.org/joecnc_hybrid.htm --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To post to this group, send email to Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Legacy-Ornamental-Mills -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Noobe questions..
Hi John, I knew it was you. Who else would it be? The piss fest is over, and I think it has made the current owners here stronger and more creative. After all, "Our only limitation is our imagination" I just never realized how much it meant overcoming the tool and physics :-). I accepted those type of things a long time ago. I never have minded seeing your shopbot projects in here. Now that Legacy is making a cnc version it is even more relevant for some lurkers. Since shopbot is also adapting gcode that is another step in common ground to share. So if you don't mind, please feel free to share projects every once in a while. If anything it will tease Curt! Between Curt and Mike, I don't know where I would have been myself. I've think I've done a good job at sharing what I've discovered along the way. Art's "Best of" on his site were a real leg up too in the beginning. Mike Wilson also, but he has seemed to move on. There have been quite a few thought provoking messages from people who pop in and then disappear. So all I can say is thank goodness for this family of Legacy owners. That chest is so cool. How much sanding was required on the Angel? What tool bit did you use and what was the step over amount? Good to see you, -Tim PS, Chuckle, "Negative Nelly". Was that classic line directed at you a long time ago? It was a pretty petty comment when used. I thought it was pointed at me. - Original Message - From: john doe To: legacy ornamental mills group Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 2:24 AM Subject: Noobe questions.. HI TIM I haven't been here for a long time but i'll have to pop my head back in once in a while. I was the guy who sent SteveEJ a email extolling the virtues of a shopbot. I hope he looks up the links and follows thru with visiting a shopbotter local to him. Art originated this group and I was one of the first members because we basically needed to form a support group because we had no support from Legacy. The only way most of us get help is from other owners because we have no other avenue. Conversely...owning a shopbot is a 180 degree difference. If you are the 4th owner of a 10 yr old machine all you have to do is call them with your problem and it is addressed, no problem. Additionally the shopbot forum gets several posts a day and if you have a problem "after hours" several of us owners will go out of our way to help, and for me it is because i have a great machine with no problems and when i do have problems, hardware or software related someone goes out of their way to help and we all feel like "Shopbot groupies" because we are so well taken care of we like to pass it on. Originally this group was a "piss-fest" where we pissed and moaned about legacy not doing anything to help and has evolved into a group of guys who, having resolved the fact that we get no support from legacy, try to help each other. I have made some friends here who have helped alot or I probably would have dumped the legacy long ago. Speaking of friends Mike Pung bought a really cool auto template woodworking machine (wish i remembered name of it) that is like a legacy on super steriods. I hate to be a "Negitive Nelly" here but i'd rather someone be forewarned and get the benefit of our experiences. "PS, I miss your post in here Mr. Shop Bot :-) Got anything to show off recently?" Well Tim here are a couple things i've done or are working on. This is a table base i'm working on developing for a client and the other is a blanket chest. I have other stuff just don't have pics handy. Hope things are going good for you guys.. -- Windows Live™ Hotmail®: Search, add, and share the web’s latest sports videos. Check it out. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To post to this group, send email to Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Legacy-Ornamental-Mills -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Noobe questions..
I forget about the ShopBot. Great product with great support and loyalusers. One of the original vendors. john doe wrote: > > > HI TIM >I haven't been here for a long time but i'll have to pop my > head back in once in a while. I was the guy who sent SteveEJ a email > extolling the virtues of a shopbot. > > I hope he looks up the links and follows thru with visiting a shopbotter > local to him. > Art originated this group and I was one of the first members because we > basically needed to form a support group because we had no support from > Legacy. The only way most of us get help is from other owners because we have > no other avenue. > > Conversely...owning a shopbot is a 180 degree difference. If you are the 4th > owner of a 10 yr old machine all you have to do is call them with your > problem and it is addressed, no problem. > Additionally the shopbot forum gets several posts a day and if you have a > problem "after hours" several of us owners will go out of our way to help, > and for me it is because i have a great machine with no problems and when i > do have problems, hardware or software related someone goes out of their way > to help and we all feel like "Shopbot groupies" because we are so well taken > care of we like to pass it on. > > Originally this group was a "piss-fest" where we pissed and moaned about > legacy not doing anything to help and has evolved into a group of guys who, > having resolved the fact that we get no support from legacy, try to help each > other. > > I have made some friends here who have helped alot or I probably would have > dumped the legacy long ago. > > Speaking of friends Mike Pung bought a really cool auto template woodworking > machine (wish i remembered name of it) that is like a legacy on super > steriods. > > > > I hate to be a "Negitive Nelly" here but i'd rather someone be forewarned and > get the benefit of our experiences. > > > "PS, I miss your post in here Mr. Shop Bot :-) Got anything to show off > recently?" > > > > Well Tim here are a couple things i've done or are working on. This is a > table base i'm working on developing for a client and the other is a blanket > chest. I have other stuff just don't have pics handy. > > Hope things are going good for you guys.. > > _ > Windows Live™ Hotmail®: Search, add, and share the web’s latest sports > videos. Check it out. > http://www.windowslive.com/Online/Hotmail/Campaign/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_QA_HM_sports_videos_072009&cat=sports > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To post to this group, send email to Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Legacy-Ornamental-Mills -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Noobe questions..
If you will send it to me I will post on my site in the Hybrid section I anm starting. Rich Goldner wrote: > > I have about 20 pictures and some text that explains the rotary axis. I will > be happy to email this to anyone who would like a copy. Just send me an > email request. > > -Original Message- > From: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com > [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Krause > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 9:13 PM > To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Noobe questions.. > > > Hi Rich, > > I believe that Joe's forum is private. You have to purchase the plan set to > enter. Do you care to share your photos? I'm curious too. > > -Tim > > - Original Message - > From: "Rich Goldner" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 4:22 PM > Subject: RE: Noobe questions.. > > > > Yes, I designed my own rotary axis. Take a look at the pictures on Joe's > forum (under mods/fourth axis) and you will see how easy it is to build, no > plans needed. Yes, I use Mach3 (I have been using Mach3 and its predecessors > for about eight years). Joe's hybrid as well as my rotary axis use steppers. > I use Gecko G203V stepper drivers. I have seen no effects from humidity on > the MDF. The three carriages are sealed and painted. The MDF table is bare. > > -Original Message- > From: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com > [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of SteveEJ > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 5:52 PM > To: Legacy Ornamental Mills > Subject: Re: Noobe questions.. > > > Rich, > Is the rotary axis mod you speak of your own design or are there actual > printed plans for it? Does your Joe use Mach3 for control or something else? > I presume it uses stepper motors and controllers as well? Also, does > humidity have any type of adverse effect on the MFD framing? (I presume that > it is painted and sealed well). > > Thanks, > > Steve > > On Jul 28, 1:45 pm, "Rich Goldner" wrote: > > Actually, you will be able to handle rotary stock up to about 12" X 40" if > you build your rotary axis the same way I did. > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com > > [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > > akran...@tx.rr.com > > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 1:11 PM > > To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com > > > > Cc: SteveEJ > > Subject: Re: Noobe questions.. > > > > > How is the company to work with for service and support? This > > > question makes it very obvious that you are new to this forum. I am not > the one to answer this question because I believe that it is safe to say > that I am VERY!! low on Legacy's love list. > > > > My sugestion is to build the Joe CNC 4by4 Hybrid and add a rotary > > axis. This will give you a fully functionaly CNC router and ability tt do > rotary stock up tp 6" by 36". Total cost will be around $3500 which is les > than the CNC 900 and a lot more useful machine. > > > > SteveEJ wrote: > > > > > Pens, Mouldings - both straight and curved, spindles, pilasters, > > > limited jointery. > > > > > Is it more cost effective to buy the CNC up front or get the non-CNC > > > version and upgrade later? ie: will there be parts/adapters that are > > > removed and not used anymore once the CNC is installed? > > > > > How is the company to work with for service and support? > > > > > Thanks again, > > > > > Steve > > > > > On Jul 27, 8:10 pm, wrote: > > > > There are several options avaliable but most important is what do > > > > you wnat the machine for > > > > > > SteveEJ wrote: > > > > > > > Folks, > > > > > I am new here and looking seriously at buying a Legacy 900. > > > > > There are several options available as well as a CNC upgrade. > > > > > The Legacy web site is not very informative about the CNC > upgrade(s). > > > > > With money and the economy being as it is, and I am saving for > > > > > the machine I want to make sure that I make good decisions up front. > > > > > So with that in mind, is buying a 900 without the CNC upgrade > > > > > smart or would it be better if I save a little longer and get > > > > > the machine with the CNC upgrade? I don't want to but > > > > > accessories a
Re: Noobe questions..
Sorry, wasn't slamming you just my weird humor. Maybe I am wrong but if I remember correctly Legacy has been praised at least once on this group for customer support. If you go the route of building a JoeCNC with rotary a axis and need a bigger machine then you will have the knowledge to use Mechmate version. Of cource the OM5 would be a nice solution for those that can afford it. Been testing Rich's new version of his wizards. First was simple rounding of 4" square stock 30" long and then going 16 flutes. Second was a polygon of 19 sides with one twist each 36" and third was a 9 sided polygon with one twist in 36" and tapered from 3.4" to 2.4". They worked like a champ. They can be seen at http://turningaround.org/MechMate/Mechmate.htm SteveEJ wrote: > > Art, > > You are correct at saying "This question makes it very obvious that > you are new to this forum", but I indicated that very thing in my > opening message, " Folks, I am new here and looking seriously at > buying a Legacy 900.." I'm not sure if you were trying to slam me or > not but I will give you the benefit of the doubt. > > I value the opinions of true users of a machine hence the questions. I > was burned on other equipment and have learned to ask. I am a bit > surprised that there have not been any Legacy supporters comment on a > Legacy forum. I guess this may be another indicator. I will start > reading up on the Joe CNC but it is difficult to do that as the forums > are closed to other than plans buyers. So as it is difficult to find > info on the Legacy it is more difficult to find info on the Joe. I'm > sure I'll get the normal, "What do you want to know" and that in > itself is a problem as I don't have enough knowledge about it in order > to ask good questions. > > Thanks for the feedback.. > > Steve > > On Jul 28, 1:11 pm, wrote: > > > How is the company to work with for service and support? This question > > > makes it very obvious that you are new to this forum. I am not the one > > > to answer this question because I believe that it is safe to say that I > > > am VERY!! low on Legacy's love list. > > > > My sugestion is to build the Joe CNC 4by4 Hybrid and add a rotary axis. > > This will give you a fully functionaly CNC router and ability tt do rotary > > stock up tp 6" by 36". Total cost will be around $3500 which is les than > > the CNC 900 and a lot more useful machine. > > > > > > > > SteveEJ wrote: > > > > > Pens, Mouldings - both straight and curved, spindles, pilasters, > > > limited jointery. > > > > > Is it more cost effective to buy the CNC up front or get the non-CNC > > > version and upgrade later? ie: will there be parts/adapters that are > > > removed and not used anymore once the CNC is installed? > > > > > How is the company to work with for service and support? > > > > > Thanks again, > > > > > Steve > > > > > On Jul 27, 8:10 pm, wrote: > > > > There are several options avaliable but most important is what do you > > > > wnat the machine for > > > > > > SteveEJ wrote: > > > > > > > Folks, > > > > > I am new here and looking seriously at buying a Legacy 900. There > > > > > are several options available as well as a CNC upgrade. The Legacy web > > > > > site is not very informative about the CNC upgrade(s). With money and > > > > > the economy being as it is, and I am saving for the machine I want to > > > > > make sure that I make good decisions up front. So with that in mind, > > > > > is buying a 900 without the CNC upgrade smart or would it be better if > > > > > I save a little longer and get the machine with the CNC upgrade? I > > > > > don't want to but accessories and have them obsolete as soon as I get > > > > > the upgrade. > > > > > Another concern I have is the company itself. Post purchase service > > > > > and help is a big thing for me. I may be a little gun shy here as I > > > > > bought a CarveWright and had repair issues right out of the box. Down > > > > > time really has put a damper on my enthuasiam towards the CarveWright. > > > > > It is working well, for now and I wanted to mix the capabilities of > > > > > each to make some unique hand down furniture, etc. > > > > > Software requirements. Is there any software that is not provided > > > > > with the CNC upgrade that would be considered essential? If so, how > > > > > much more of an investment would that be? > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience! > > > > > > > Steve Jacobs > > > > > Brighton, TN- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To post to this group, send email to Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For mor
Re: Noobe questions..
Bruce, I am located abut 35 miles NE of Memphis i Brighton, TN. Steve On Jul 28, 9:16 pm, BRUCE DORWORTH wrote: > Steve, where are you located? I am a previous Legacy owner, I had a 1200, > that I never used like I should. Because someone else started to CNC his > Legacy it got me started thinking about it. He abandoned his efforts and > built a Joe's Hybrid. I did so too. > > Although I haven't added my rotary axis yet, But I fully intend to. > > Bruce > > --- On Tue, 7/28/09, SteveEJ wrote: > > From: SteveEJ > Subject: Re: Noobe questions.. > To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills" > Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 3:31 PM > > Thanks Tim, > > Lots of answers that are appreciated. Looks like Legacy might be the > same type of company as I have dealt with before. And I did not like > it. > > I really wanted to get a machine that would allow turning. If the > Joe CNC 4X4 can be made to do that and there are no stability issues > then I will probably start with that. For the kit and plans it will be > about $600.00 which is not bad. I guess I'll look at getting the plans > first, reading and more reading. I got an email from someone with some > links to ShopBot as well. I need to check them out too. Electronics > and Programming never bothered me as that is kind of what I am doing > for a living now. > > It is really sad when I hear or read stories about lack of support > on expensive machines. Kinda pisses me off to be honest. I did email > Legacy requesting a catalog and never heard from them. > > Thanks Tim for the welcome! > > Steve > > On Jul 28, 6:18 pm, "Tim Krause" wrote: > > > > > Welcome to the group Steve, > > > Art is the founder of the group, and if I can speak for him, (Art is not a > > wordy guy. ) it was founded because of the lack of support by Legacy as a > > company that he started this group. I have always considered this group to > > be the missing manual, and the technical support for our machines. It is not > > sponsored or authorized or to my knowledge been asked to be shut down by > > Legacy. The owners of Legacy are aware of this group, and have posted > > messages on occasion. The owner of the company complemented me on an add on > > accessory that I'm currently prototyping. > > > After doing his own research Art built his own cnc machine before Legacy > > released their initial upgrade to our current machines. He bought some > > software from Legacy that they wrote to be used on their machines. The first > > version had bugs in it. When Art asked for an upgrade Legacy hung up on him > > saying it was for use on their equipment only. So, there is clearly some > > tension between the two individuals. > > > I own a model 900, and I built my own homebuilt machine so I have a little > > input about the upgrade to a current machine. I've made quite a few mods and > > little improvements to my 900 to make the machine perform to my level of > > expectations. It's not a tight milling machine by any standards. If you do > > buy cnc upgrade I would suggest going with the performance package with the > > rack and pinion option with the smart touch pad. It's the best of the cheap > > options. If you have lots of time you can convert a base model to cnc after > > a little research. Your still going to have some problems. > > > There is a steep learning curve in the cnc world and I have not seen > > legacy's cnc documentation, but they do have online tutorials that you can > > learn how the basic setup is done. Knowing how the manual machine works you > > can better adapt your gcode to use the cnc version more effectively. If your > > trying to make money right out of the box, a home built cnc takes just as > > much time to work out the bugs as the kit being offered by legacy. If you > > buy the OMG model, that has the best of all the components, but OMG that is > > expensive! You still have to learn to program the thing and how a router bit > > reacts to wood. > > > I personally have never had good results with email support from Legacy. > > Email questions are about 20 to 2 replies. I finally gave up emailing. > > Apparently calling for support is the better way to go. The online videos > > and dvd's that come with the machine are enough to get you started. > > > So, like any tool, it is what you make of it. Full of quirks that most of us > > have over come, and can help you with. Our achieves have a lot of old > > messages. You might want to look through them. > > > I hope that helps. > > > -Tim > > > - Origina
RE: Noobe questions..
I have about 20 pictures and some text that explains the rotary axis. I will be happy to email this to anyone who would like a copy. Just send me an email request. -Original Message- From: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Krause Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 9:13 PM To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Noobe questions.. Hi Rich, I believe that Joe's forum is private. You have to purchase the plan set to enter. Do you care to share your photos? I'm curious too. -Tim - Original Message - From: "Rich Goldner" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 4:22 PM Subject: RE: Noobe questions.. Yes, I designed my own rotary axis. Take a look at the pictures on Joe's forum (under mods/fourth axis) and you will see how easy it is to build, no plans needed. Yes, I use Mach3 (I have been using Mach3 and its predecessors for about eight years). Joe's hybrid as well as my rotary axis use steppers. I use Gecko G203V stepper drivers. I have seen no effects from humidity on the MDF. The three carriages are sealed and painted. The MDF table is bare. -Original Message- From: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of SteveEJ Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 5:52 PM To: Legacy Ornamental Mills Subject: Re: Noobe questions.. Rich, Is the rotary axis mod you speak of your own design or are there actual printed plans for it? Does your Joe use Mach3 for control or something else? I presume it uses stepper motors and controllers as well? Also, does humidity have any type of adverse effect on the MFD framing? (I presume that it is painted and sealed well). Thanks, Steve On Jul 28, 1:45 pm, "Rich Goldner" wrote: > Actually, you will be able to handle rotary stock up to about 12" X 40" if you build your rotary axis the same way I did. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com > [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > akran...@tx.rr.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 1:11 PM > To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com > > Cc: SteveEJ > Subject: Re: Noobe questions.. > > > How is the company to work with for service and support? This > > question makes it very obvious that you are new to this forum. I am not the one to answer this question because I believe that it is safe to say that I am VERY!! low on Legacy's love list. > > My sugestion is to build the Joe CNC 4by4 Hybrid and add a rotary > axis. This will give you a fully functionaly CNC router and ability tt do rotary stock up tp 6" by 36". Total cost will be around $3500 which is les than the CNC 900 and a lot more useful machine. > > SteveEJ wrote: > > > Pens, Mouldings - both straight and curved, spindles, pilasters, > > limited jointery. > > > Is it more cost effective to buy the CNC up front or get the non-CNC > > version and upgrade later? ie: will there be parts/adapters that are > > removed and not used anymore once the CNC is installed? > > > How is the company to work with for service and support? > > > Thanks again, > > > Steve > > > On Jul 27, 8:10 pm, wrote: > > > There are several options avaliable but most important is what do > > > you wnat the machine for > > > > SteveEJ wrote: > > > > > Folks, > > > > I am new here and looking seriously at buying a Legacy 900. > > > > There are several options available as well as a CNC upgrade. > > > > The Legacy web site is not very informative about the CNC upgrade(s). > > > > With money and the economy being as it is, and I am saving for > > > > the machine I want to make sure that I make good decisions up front. > > > > So with that in mind, is buying a 900 without the CNC upgrade > > > > smart or would it be better if I save a little longer and get > > > > the machine with the CNC upgrade? I don't want to but > > > > accessories and have them obsolete as soon as I get the upgrade. > > > > Another concern I have is the company itself. Post purchase > > > > service and help is a big thing for me. I may be a little gun > > > > shy here as I bought a CarveWright and had repair issues right > > > > out of the box. Down time really has put a damper on my enthuasiam towards the CarveWright. > > > > It is working well, for now and I wanted to mix the capabilities > > > > of each to make some unique hand down furniture, etc. > > > > Software requirements. Is there any software that is not > > > > provide
Re: Noobe questions..
Steve, where are you located? I am a previous Legacy owner, I had a 1200, that I never used like I should. Because someone else started to CNC his Legacy it got me started thinking about it. He abandoned his efforts and built a Joe's Hybrid. I did so too. Although I haven't added my rotary axis yet, But I fully intend to. Bruce --- On Tue, 7/28/09, SteveEJ wrote: From: SteveEJ Subject: Re: Noobe questions.. To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills" Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 3:31 PM Thanks Tim, Lots of answers that are appreciated. Looks like Legacy might be the same type of company as I have dealt with before. And I did not like it. I really wanted to get a machine that would allow turning. If the Joe CNC 4X4 can be made to do that and there are no stability issues then I will probably start with that. For the kit and plans it will be about $600.00 which is not bad. I guess I'll look at getting the plans first, reading and more reading. I got an email from someone with some links to ShopBot as well. I need to check them out too. Electronics and Programming never bothered me as that is kind of what I am doing for a living now. It is really sad when I hear or read stories about lack of support on expensive machines. Kinda pisses me off to be honest. I did email Legacy requesting a catalog and never heard from them. Thanks Tim for the welcome! Steve On Jul 28, 6:18 pm, "Tim Krause" wrote: > Welcome to the group Steve, > > Art is the founder of the group, and if I can speak for him, (Art is not a > wordy guy. ) it was founded because of the lack of support by Legacy as a > company that he started this group. I have always considered this group to > be the missing manual, and the technical support for our machines. It is not > sponsored or authorized or to my knowledge been asked to be shut down by > Legacy. The owners of Legacy are aware of this group, and have posted > messages on occasion. The owner of the company complemented me on an add on > accessory that I'm currently prototyping. > > After doing his own research Art built his own cnc machine before Legacy > released their initial upgrade to our current machines. He bought some > software from Legacy that they wrote to be used on their machines. The first > version had bugs in it. When Art asked for an upgrade Legacy hung up on him > saying it was for use on their equipment only. So, there is clearly some > tension between the two individuals. > > I own a model 900, and I built my own homebuilt machine so I have a little > input about the upgrade to a current machine. I've made quite a few mods and > little improvements to my 900 to make the machine perform to my level of > expectations. It's not a tight milling machine by any standards. If you do > buy cnc upgrade I would suggest going with the performance package with the > rack and pinion option with the smart touch pad. It's the best of the cheap > options. If you have lots of time you can convert a base model to cnc after > a little research. Your still going to have some problems. > > There is a steep learning curve in the cnc world and I have not seen > legacy's cnc documentation, but they do have online tutorials that you can > learn how the basic setup is done. Knowing how the manual machine works you > can better adapt your gcode to use the cnc version more effectively. If your > trying to make money right out of the box, a home built cnc takes just as > much time to work out the bugs as the kit being offered by legacy. If you > buy the OMG model, that has the best of all the components, but OMG that is > expensive! You still have to learn to program the thing and how a router bit > reacts to wood. > > I personally have never had good results with email support from Legacy. > Email questions are about 20 to 2 replies. I finally gave up emailing. > Apparently calling for support is the better way to go. The online videos > and dvd's that come with the machine are enough to get you started. > > So, like any tool, it is what you make of it. Full of quirks that most of us > have over come, and can help you with. Our achieves have a lot of old > messages. You might want to look through them. > > I hope that helps. > > -Tim > > > > - Original Message - > From: "SteveEJ" > To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills" > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 2:49 PM > Subject: Re: Noobe questions.. > > Art, > > You are correct at saying "This question makes it very obvious that > you are new to this forum", but I indicated that very thing in my > opening message, " Folks, I am new here and looking seriously at > buying a Legacy 900.." I'm not sure if you were trying to slam me or > not
Re: Noobe questions..
Hi Rich, I believe that Joe's forum is private. You have to purchase the plan set to enter. Do you care to share your photos? I'm curious too. -Tim - Original Message - From: "Rich Goldner" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 4:22 PM Subject: RE: Noobe questions.. Yes, I designed my own rotary axis. Take a look at the pictures on Joe's forum (under mods/fourth axis) and you will see how easy it is to build, no plans needed. Yes, I use Mach3 (I have been using Mach3 and its predecessors for about eight years). Joe's hybrid as well as my rotary axis use steppers. I use Gecko G203V stepper drivers. I have seen no effects from humidity on the MDF. The three carriages are sealed and painted. The MDF table is bare. -Original Message- From: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of SteveEJ Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 5:52 PM To: Legacy Ornamental Mills Subject: Re: Noobe questions.. Rich, Is the rotary axis mod you speak of your own design or are there actual printed plans for it? Does your Joe use Mach3 for control or something else? I presume it uses stepper motors and controllers as well? Also, does humidity have any type of adverse effect on the MFD framing? (I presume that it is painted and sealed well). Thanks, Steve On Jul 28, 1:45 pm, "Rich Goldner" wrote: > Actually, you will be able to handle rotary stock up to about 12" X 40" if you build your rotary axis the same way I did. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com > [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > akran...@tx.rr.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 1:11 PM > To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com > > Cc: SteveEJ > Subject: Re: Noobe questions.. > > > How is the company to work with for service and support? This > > question makes it very obvious that you are new to this forum. I am not the one to answer this question because I believe that it is safe to say that I am VERY!! low on Legacy's love list. > > My sugestion is to build the Joe CNC 4by4 Hybrid and add a rotary > axis. This will give you a fully functionaly CNC router and ability tt do rotary stock up tp 6" by 36". Total cost will be around $3500 which is les than the CNC 900 and a lot more useful machine. > > SteveEJ wrote: > > > Pens, Mouldings - both straight and curved, spindles, pilasters, > > limited jointery. > > > Is it more cost effective to buy the CNC up front or get the non-CNC > > version and upgrade later? ie: will there be parts/adapters that are > > removed and not used anymore once the CNC is installed? > > > How is the company to work with for service and support? > > > Thanks again, > > > Steve > > > On Jul 27, 8:10 pm, wrote: > > > There are several options avaliable but most important is what do > > > you wnat the machine for > > > > SteveEJ wrote: > > > > > Folks, > > > > I am new here and looking seriously at buying a Legacy 900. > > > > There are several options available as well as a CNC upgrade. > > > > The Legacy web site is not very informative about the CNC upgrade(s). > > > > With money and the economy being as it is, and I am saving for > > > > the machine I want to make sure that I make good decisions up front. > > > > So with that in mind, is buying a 900 without the CNC upgrade > > > > smart or would it be better if I save a little longer and get > > > > the machine with the CNC upgrade? I don't want to but > > > > accessories and have them obsolete as soon as I get the upgrade. > > > > Another concern I have is the company itself. Post purchase > > > > service and help is a big thing for me. I may be a little gun > > > > shy here as I bought a CarveWright and had repair issues right > > > > out of the box. Down time really has put a damper on my enthuasiam towards the CarveWright. > > > > It is working well, for now and I wanted to mix the capabilities > > > > of each to make some unique hand down furniture, etc. > > > > Software requirements. Is there any software that is not > > > > provided with the CNC upgrade that would be considered essential? > > > > If so, how much more of an investment would that be? > > > > > Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience! > > > > > Steve Jacobs > > > > Brighton, TN- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To post to this group, send email to Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Legacy-Ornamental-Mills -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Noobe questions..
Yes, I designed my own rotary axis. Take a look at the pictures on Joe's forum (under mods/fourth axis) and you will see how easy it is to build, no plans needed. Yes, I use Mach3 (I have been using Mach3 and its predecessors for about eight years). Joe's hybrid as well as my rotary axis use steppers. I use Gecko G203V stepper drivers. I have seen no effects from humidity on the MDF. The three carriages are sealed and painted. The MDF table is bare. -Original Message- From: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of SteveEJ Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 5:52 PM To: Legacy Ornamental Mills Subject: Re: Noobe questions.. Rich, Is the rotary axis mod you speak of your own design or are there actual printed plans for it? Does your Joe use Mach3 for control or something else? I presume it uses stepper motors and controllers as well? Also, does humidity have any type of adverse effect on the MFD framing? (I presume that it is painted and sealed well). Thanks, Steve On Jul 28, 1:45 pm, "Rich Goldner" wrote: > Actually, you will be able to handle rotary stock up to about 12" X 40" if you build your rotary axis the same way I did. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com > [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > akran...@tx.rr.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 1:11 PM > To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com > > Cc: SteveEJ > Subject: Re: Noobe questions.. > > > How is the company to work with for service and support? This > > question makes it very obvious that you are new to this forum. I am not the one to answer this question because I believe that it is safe to say that I am VERY!! low on Legacy's love list. > > My sugestion is to build the Joe CNC 4by4 Hybrid and add a rotary > axis. This will give you a fully functionaly CNC router and ability tt do rotary stock up tp 6" by 36". Total cost will be around $3500 which is les than the CNC 900 and a lot more useful machine. > > SteveEJ wrote: > > > Pens, Mouldings - both straight and curved, spindles, pilasters, > > limited jointery. > > > Is it more cost effective to buy the CNC up front or get the non-CNC > > version and upgrade later? ie: will there be parts/adapters that are > > removed and not used anymore once the CNC is installed? > > > How is the company to work with for service and support? > > > Thanks again, > > > Steve > > > On Jul 27, 8:10 pm, wrote: > > > There are several options avaliable but most important is what do > > > you wnat the machine for > > > > SteveEJ wrote: > > > > > Folks, > > > > I am new here and looking seriously at buying a Legacy 900. > > > > There are several options available as well as a CNC upgrade. > > > > The Legacy web site is not very informative about the CNC upgrade(s). > > > > With money and the economy being as it is, and I am saving for > > > > the machine I want to make sure that I make good decisions up front. > > > > So with that in mind, is buying a 900 without the CNC upgrade > > > > smart or would it be better if I save a little longer and get > > > > the machine with the CNC upgrade? I don't want to but > > > > accessories and have them obsolete as soon as I get the upgrade. > > > > Another concern I have is the company itself. Post purchase > > > > service and help is a big thing for me. I may be a little gun > > > > shy here as I bought a CarveWright and had repair issues right > > > > out of the box. Down time really has put a damper on my enthuasiam towards the CarveWright. > > > > It is working well, for now and I wanted to mix the capabilities > > > > of each to make some unique hand down furniture, etc. > > > > Software requirements. Is there any software that is not > > > > provided with the CNC upgrade that would be considered essential? > > > > If so, how much more of an investment would that be? > > > > > Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience! > > > > > Steve Jacobs > > > > Brighton, TN- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To post to this group, send email to Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Legacy-Ornamental-Mills -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Noobe questions..
Your welcome. I built my first cnc from laser printers and kits-r-us drives. In the end I would have skipped the mdf and cheap stuff and gone straight to dual vee bearings and aluminum or steel construction. Buy commercial drives and power supplies. It costs more up front, but scrounging costs time and money too, and you have no idea how much fiddling it take to make a homebuilt cnc square and flat. It all very fun if you like that kind of thing. Then you get to learn about bugs that exist in software, and loose connections. Some cost money and destroy parts, others just make things not repeatable and drive you nuts. Those are the days that being a human run machine you think you can do better than all of the fancy computer stuff. -Tim PS, I miss your post in here Mr. Shop Bot :-) Got anything to show off recently? - Original Message - From: "SteveEJ" To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills" Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 3:31 PM Subject: Re: Noobe questions.. Thanks Tim, Lots of answers that are appreciated. Looks like Legacy might be the same type of company as I have dealt with before. And I did not like it. I really wanted to get a machine that would allow turning. If the Joe CNC 4X4 can be made to do that and there are no stability issues then I will probably start with that. For the kit and plans it will be about $600.00 which is not bad. I guess I'll look at getting the plans first, reading and more reading. I got an email from someone with some links to ShopBot as well. I need to check them out too. Electronics and Programming never bothered me as that is kind of what I am doing for a living now. It is really sad when I hear or read stories about lack of support on expensive machines. Kinda pisses me off to be honest. I did email Legacy requesting a catalog and never heard from them. Thanks Tim for the welcome! Steve On Jul 28, 6:18 pm, "Tim Krause" wrote: > Welcome to the group Steve, > > Art is the founder of the group, and if I can speak for him, (Art is not a > wordy guy. ) it was founded because of the lack of support by Legacy as a > company that he started this group. I have always considered this group to > be the missing manual, and the technical support for our machines. It is not > sponsored or authorized or to my knowledge been asked to be shut down by > Legacy. The owners of Legacy are aware of this group, and have posted > messages on occasion. The owner of the company complemented me on an add on > accessory that I'm currently prototyping. > > After doing his own research Art built his own cnc machine before Legacy > released their initial upgrade to our current machines. He bought some > software from Legacy that they wrote to be used on their machines. The first > version had bugs in it. When Art asked for an upgrade Legacy hung up on him > saying it was for use on their equipment only. So, there is clearly some > tension between the two individuals. > > I own a model 900, and I built my own homebuilt machine so I have a little > input about the upgrade to a current machine. I've made quite a few mods and > little improvements to my 900 to make the machine perform to my level of > expectations. It's not a tight milling machine by any standards. If you do > buy cnc upgrade I would suggest going with the performance package with the > rack and pinion option with the smart touch pad. It's the best of the cheap > options. If you have lots of time you can convert a base model to cnc after > a little research. Your still going to have some problems. > > There is a steep learning curve in the cnc world and I have not seen > legacy's cnc documentation, but they do have online tutorials that you can > learn how the basic setup is done. Knowing how the manual machine works you > can better adapt your gcode to use the cnc version more effectively. If your > trying to make money right out of the box, a home built cnc takes just as > much time to work out the bugs as the kit being offered by legacy. If you > buy the OMG model, that has the best of all the components, but OMG that is > expensive! You still have to learn to program the thing and how a router bit > reacts to wood. > > I personally have never had good results with email support from Legacy. > Email questions are about 20 to 2 replies. I finally gave up emailing. > Apparently calling for support is the better way to go. The online videos > and dvd's that come with the machine are enough to get you started. > > So, like any tool, it is what you make of it. Full of quirks that most of us > have over come, and can help you with. Our achieves have a lot of old > messages. You might want to look through them. > > I hope that helps. > > -Tim > > > > - Original Message - > From: "
Re: Noobe questions..
Thanks Bill, I am finind out that my dollars might be better spent else where.. Thanks again! Steve On Jul 28, 6:31 pm, "Bill Bulkeley" wrote: > Hi I am from Australia and I have a legacy 900 and a revo and I wont beat > around the bush the back up is shit from legacy according to many of the > comments I have seen here over the last year or so.and from my point of view > it is hard to find out anything from way down here. > but even then as far as information goes it doesn't matter you can find out > all you ever want to know here on this site I do.great guys on here very > very helpful..try emailing magnate they are very good they always answer > emails I send to them and you can buy most legacy stuff from them as well. > as far as which machine to buy I think it all comes back to how much you got > to spend these new cnc machines are great wish I could afford one they will > do easily what you would have a great deal of trouble and time doing on the > manual machines. > and the legacy site seems to be aimed more at the cnc guys now with all the > info they post on there > good luck with your decision on which to buy all great machines I love em > Bill > > > > - Original Message - > From: "SteveEJ" > To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills" > Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 7:52 AM > Subject: Re: Noobe questions.. > > Rich, > Is the rotary axis mod you speak of your own design or are there > actual printed plans for it? Does your Joe use Mach3 for control or > something else? I presume it uses stepper motors and controllers as > well? Also, does humidity have any type of adverse effect on the MFD > framing? (I presume that it is painted and sealed well). > > Thanks, > > Steve > > On Jul 28, 1:45 pm, "Rich Goldner" wrote: > > Actually, you will be able to handle rotary stock up to about 12" X 40" if > > you build your rotary axis the same way I did. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com > > [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > > akran...@tx.rr.com > > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 1:11 PM > > To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com > > > Cc: SteveEJ > > Subject: Re: Noobe questions.. > > > > How is the company to work with for service and support? This question > > > makes it very obvious that you are new to this forum. I am not the one > > > to answer this question because I believe that it is safe to say that I > > > am VERY!! low on Legacy's love list. > > > My sugestion is to build the Joe CNC 4by4 Hybrid and add a rotary axis. > > This will give you a fully functionaly CNC router and ability tt do rotary > > stock up tp 6" by 36". Total cost will be around $3500 which is les than > > the CNC 900 and a lot more useful machine. > > > SteveEJ wrote: > > > > Pens, Mouldings - both straight and curved, spindles, pilasters, > > > limited jointery. > > > > Is it more cost effective to buy the CNC up front or get the non-CNC > > > version and upgrade later? ie: will there be parts/adapters that are > > > removed and not used anymore once the CNC is installed? > > > > How is the company to work with for service and support? > > > > Thanks again, > > > > Steve > > > > On Jul 27, 8:10 pm, wrote: > > > > There are several options avaliable but most important is what do > > > > you wnat the machine for > > > > > SteveEJ wrote: > > > > > > Folks, > > > > > I am new here and looking seriously at buying a Legacy 900. > > > > > There are several options available as well as a CNC upgrade. The > > > > > Legacy web site is not very informative about the CNC upgrade(s). > > > > > With money and the economy being as it is, and I am saving for the > > > > > machine I want to make sure that I make good decisions up front. > > > > > So with that in mind, is buying a 900 without the CNC upgrade > > > > > smart or would it be better if I save a little longer and get the > > > > > machine with the CNC upgrade? I don't want to but accessories and > > > > > have them obsolete as soon as I get the upgrade. > > > > > Another concern I have is the company itself. Post purchase > > > > > service and help is a big thing for me. I may be a little gun shy > > > > > here as I bought a CarveWright and had repair issues right out of > > > > > the box. Dow
Re: Noobe questions..
Thanks Tim, Lots of answers that are appreciated. Looks like Legacy might be the same type of company as I have dealt with before. And I did not like it. I really wanted to get a machine that would allow turning. If the Joe CNC 4X4 can be made to do that and there are no stability issues then I will probably start with that. For the kit and plans it will be about $600.00 which is not bad. I guess I'll look at getting the plans first, reading and more reading. I got an email from someone with some links to ShopBot as well. I need to check them out too. Electronics and Programming never bothered me as that is kind of what I am doing for a living now. It is really sad when I hear or read stories about lack of support on expensive machines. Kinda pisses me off to be honest. I did email Legacy requesting a catalog and never heard from them. Thanks Tim for the welcome! Steve On Jul 28, 6:18 pm, "Tim Krause" wrote: > Welcome to the group Steve, > > Art is the founder of the group, and if I can speak for him, (Art is not a > wordy guy. ) it was founded because of the lack of support by Legacy as a > company that he started this group. I have always considered this group to > be the missing manual, and the technical support for our machines. It is not > sponsored or authorized or to my knowledge been asked to be shut down by > Legacy. The owners of Legacy are aware of this group, and have posted > messages on occasion. The owner of the company complemented me on an add on > accessory that I'm currently prototyping. > > After doing his own research Art built his own cnc machine before Legacy > released their initial upgrade to our current machines. He bought some > software from Legacy that they wrote to be used on their machines. The first > version had bugs in it. When Art asked for an upgrade Legacy hung up on him > saying it was for use on their equipment only. So, there is clearly some > tension between the two individuals. > > I own a model 900, and I built my own homebuilt machine so I have a little > input about the upgrade to a current machine. I've made quite a few mods and > little improvements to my 900 to make the machine perform to my level of > expectations. It's not a tight milling machine by any standards. If you do > buy cnc upgrade I would suggest going with the performance package with the > rack and pinion option with the smart touch pad. It's the best of the cheap > options. If you have lots of time you can convert a base model to cnc after > a little research. Your still going to have some problems. > > There is a steep learning curve in the cnc world and I have not seen > legacy's cnc documentation, but they do have online tutorials that you can > learn how the basic setup is done. Knowing how the manual machine works you > can better adapt your gcode to use the cnc version more effectively. If your > trying to make money right out of the box, a home built cnc takes just as > much time to work out the bugs as the kit being offered by legacy. If you > buy the OMG model, that has the best of all the components, but OMG that is > expensive! You still have to learn to program the thing and how a router bit > reacts to wood. > > I personally have never had good results with email support from Legacy. > Email questions are about 20 to 2 replies. I finally gave up emailing. > Apparently calling for support is the better way to go. The online videos > and dvd's that come with the machine are enough to get you started. > > So, like any tool, it is what you make of it. Full of quirks that most of us > have over come, and can help you with. Our achieves have a lot of old > messages. You might want to look through them. > > I hope that helps. > > -Tim > > > > - Original Message - > From: "SteveEJ" > To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills" > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 2:49 PM > Subject: Re: Noobe questions.. > > Art, > > You are correct at saying "This question makes it very obvious that > you are new to this forum", but I indicated that very thing in my > opening message, " Folks, I am new here and looking seriously at > buying a Legacy 900.." I'm not sure if you were trying to slam me or > not but I will give you the benefit of the doubt. > > I value the opinions of true users of a machine hence the questions. I > was burned on other equipment and have learned to ask. I am a bit > surprised that there have not been any Legacy supporters comment on a > Legacy forum. I guess this may be another indicator. I will start > reading up on the Joe CNC but it is difficult to do that as the forums > are closed to other than plans buyers. So as it is difficult to find > info on the L
Re: Noobe questions..
Hi I am from Australia and I have a legacy 900 and a revo and I wont beat around the bush the back up is shit from legacy according to many of the comments I have seen here over the last year or so.and from my point of view it is hard to find out anything from way down here. but even then as far as information goes it doesn't matter you can find out all you ever want to know here on this site I do.great guys on here very very helpful..try emailing magnate they are very good they always answer emails I send to them and you can buy most legacy stuff from them as well. as far as which machine to buy I think it all comes back to how much you got to spend these new cnc machines are great wish I could afford one they will do easily what you would have a great deal of trouble and time doing on the manual machines. and the legacy site seems to be aimed more at the cnc guys now with all the info they post on there good luck with your decision on which to buy all great machines I love em Bill - Original Message - From: "SteveEJ" To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills" Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 7:52 AM Subject: Re: Noobe questions.. Rich, Is the rotary axis mod you speak of your own design or are there actual printed plans for it? Does your Joe use Mach3 for control or something else? I presume it uses stepper motors and controllers as well? Also, does humidity have any type of adverse effect on the MFD framing? (I presume that it is painted and sealed well). Thanks, Steve On Jul 28, 1:45 pm, "Rich Goldner" wrote: > Actually, you will be able to handle rotary stock up to about 12" X 40" if > you build your rotary axis the same way I did. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com > [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > akran...@tx.rr.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 1:11 PM > To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com > > Cc: SteveEJ > Subject: Re: Noobe questions.. > > > How is the company to work with for service and support? This question > > makes it very obvious that you are new to this forum. I am not the one > > to answer this question because I believe that it is safe to say that I > > am VERY!! low on Legacy's love list. > > My sugestion is to build the Joe CNC 4by4 Hybrid and add a rotary axis. > This will give you a fully functionaly CNC router and ability tt do rotary > stock up tp 6" by 36". Total cost will be around $3500 which is les than > the CNC 900 and a lot more useful machine. > > SteveEJ wrote: > > > Pens, Mouldings - both straight and curved, spindles, pilasters, > > limited jointery. > > > Is it more cost effective to buy the CNC up front or get the non-CNC > > version and upgrade later? ie: will there be parts/adapters that are > > removed and not used anymore once the CNC is installed? > > > How is the company to work with for service and support? > > > Thanks again, > > > Steve > > > On Jul 27, 8:10 pm, wrote: > > > There are several options avaliable but most important is what do > > > you wnat the machine for > > > > SteveEJ wrote: > > > > > Folks, > > > > I am new here and looking seriously at buying a Legacy 900. > > > > There are several options available as well as a CNC upgrade. The > > > > Legacy web site is not very informative about the CNC upgrade(s). > > > > With money and the economy being as it is, and I am saving for the > > > > machine I want to make sure that I make good decisions up front. > > > > So with that in mind, is buying a 900 without the CNC upgrade > > > > smart or would it be better if I save a little longer and get the > > > > machine with the CNC upgrade? I don't want to but accessories and > > > > have them obsolete as soon as I get the upgrade. > > > > Another concern I have is the company itself. Post purchase > > > > service and help is a big thing for me. I may be a little gun shy > > > > here as I bought a CarveWright and had repair issues right out of > > > > the box. Down time really has put a damper on my enthuasiam towards > > > > the CarveWright. > > > > It is working well, for now and I wanted to mix the capabilities > > > > of each to make some unique hand down furniture, etc. > > > > Software requirements. Is there any software that is not > > > > provided with the CNC upgrade that would be considered essential? > > > > If so, how much more of an investment would that be? > > > > > Thanks for sharing your knowled
Re: Noobe questions..
Welcome to the group Steve, Art is the founder of the group, and if I can speak for him, (Art is not a wordy guy. ) it was founded because of the lack of support by Legacy as a company that he started this group. I have always considered this group to be the missing manual, and the technical support for our machines. It is not sponsored or authorized or to my knowledge been asked to be shut down by Legacy. The owners of Legacy are aware of this group, and have posted messages on occasion. The owner of the company complemented me on an add on accessory that I'm currently prototyping. After doing his own research Art built his own cnc machine before Legacy released their initial upgrade to our current machines. He bought some software from Legacy that they wrote to be used on their machines. The first version had bugs in it. When Art asked for an upgrade Legacy hung up on him saying it was for use on their equipment only. So, there is clearly some tension between the two individuals. I own a model 900, and I built my own homebuilt machine so I have a little input about the upgrade to a current machine. I've made quite a few mods and little improvements to my 900 to make the machine perform to my level of expectations. It's not a tight milling machine by any standards. If you do buy cnc upgrade I would suggest going with the performance package with the rack and pinion option with the smart touch pad. It's the best of the cheap options. If you have lots of time you can convert a base model to cnc after a little research. Your still going to have some problems. There is a steep learning curve in the cnc world and I have not seen legacy's cnc documentation, but they do have online tutorials that you can learn how the basic setup is done. Knowing how the manual machine works you can better adapt your gcode to use the cnc version more effectively. If your trying to make money right out of the box, a home built cnc takes just as much time to work out the bugs as the kit being offered by legacy. If you buy the OMG model, that has the best of all the components, but OMG that is expensive! You still have to learn to program the thing and how a router bit reacts to wood. I personally have never had good results with email support from Legacy. Email questions are about 20 to 2 replies. I finally gave up emailing. Apparently calling for support is the better way to go. The online videos and dvd's that come with the machine are enough to get you started. So, like any tool, it is what you make of it. Full of quirks that most of us have over come, and can help you with. Our achieves have a lot of old messages. You might want to look through them. I hope that helps. -Tim - Original Message - From: "SteveEJ" To: "Legacy Ornamental Mills" Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 2:49 PM Subject: Re: Noobe questions.. Art, You are correct at saying "This question makes it very obvious that you are new to this forum", but I indicated that very thing in my opening message, " Folks, I am new here and looking seriously at buying a Legacy 900.." I'm not sure if you were trying to slam me or not but I will give you the benefit of the doubt. I value the opinions of true users of a machine hence the questions. I was burned on other equipment and have learned to ask. I am a bit surprised that there have not been any Legacy supporters comment on a Legacy forum. I guess this may be another indicator. I will start reading up on the Joe CNC but it is difficult to do that as the forums are closed to other than plans buyers. So as it is difficult to find info on the Legacy it is more difficult to find info on the Joe. I'm sure I'll get the normal, "What do you want to know" and that in itself is a problem as I don't have enough knowledge about it in order to ask good questions. Thanks for the feedback.. Steve On Jul 28, 1:11 pm, wrote: > > How is the company to work with for service and support? This question makes it very obvious that you are new to this forum. I am not the one to answer this question because I believe that it is safe to say that I am VERY!! low on Legacy's love list. > > My sugestion is to build the Joe CNC 4by4 Hybrid and add a rotary axis. This will give you a fully functionaly CNC router and ability tt do rotary stock up tp 6" by 36". Total cost will be around $3500 which is les than the CNC 900 and a lot more useful machine. > > > > SteveEJ wrote: > > > Pens, Mouldings - both straight and curved, spindles, pilasters, > > limited jointery. > > > Is it more cost effective to buy the CNC up front or get the non-CNC > > version and upgrade later? ie: will there be parts/adapters that are > > removed and not used anymore once the CNC is installed? > > > How is the company to work with for service and support?
Re: Noobe questions..
Rich, Is the rotary axis mod you speak of your own design or are there actual printed plans for it? Does your Joe use Mach3 for control or something else? I presume it uses stepper motors and controllers as well? Also, does humidity have any type of adverse effect on the MFD framing? (I presume that it is painted and sealed well). Thanks, Steve On Jul 28, 1:45 pm, "Rich Goldner" wrote: > Actually, you will be able to handle rotary stock up to about 12" X 40" if > you build your rotary axis the same way I did. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com > [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > akran...@tx.rr.com > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 1:11 PM > To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com > > Cc: SteveEJ > Subject: Re: Noobe questions.. > > > How is the company to work with for service and support? This question > > makes it very obvious that you are new to this forum. I am not the one to > > answer this question because I believe that it is safe to say that I am > > VERY!! low on Legacy's love list. > > My sugestion is to build the Joe CNC 4by4 Hybrid and add a rotary axis. This > will give you a fully functionaly CNC router and ability tt do rotary stock > up tp 6" by 36". Total cost will be around $3500 which is les than the CNC > 900 and a lot more useful machine. > > SteveEJ wrote: > > > Pens, Mouldings - both straight and curved, spindles, pilasters, > > limited jointery. > > > Is it more cost effective to buy the CNC up front or get the non-CNC > > version and upgrade later? ie: will there be parts/adapters that are > > removed and not used anymore once the CNC is installed? > > > How is the company to work with for service and support? > > > Thanks again, > > > Steve > > > On Jul 27, 8:10 pm, wrote: > > > There are several options avaliable but most important is what do > > > you wnat the machine for > > > > SteveEJ wrote: > > > > > Folks, > > > > I am new here and looking seriously at buying a Legacy 900. > > > > There are several options available as well as a CNC upgrade. The > > > > Legacy web site is not very informative about the CNC upgrade(s). > > > > With money and the economy being as it is, and I am saving for the > > > > machine I want to make sure that I make good decisions up front. > > > > So with that in mind, is buying a 900 without the CNC upgrade > > > > smart or would it be better if I save a little longer and get the > > > > machine with the CNC upgrade? I don't want to but accessories and > > > > have them obsolete as soon as I get the upgrade. > > > > Another concern I have is the company itself. Post purchase > > > > service and help is a big thing for me. I may be a little gun shy > > > > here as I bought a CarveWright and had repair issues right out of > > > > the box. Down time really has put a damper on my enthuasiam towards the > > > > CarveWright. > > > > It is working well, for now and I wanted to mix the capabilities > > > > of each to make some unique hand down furniture, etc. > > > > Software requirements. Is there any software that is not > > > > provided with the CNC upgrade that would be considered essential? > > > > If so, how much more of an investment would that be? > > > > > Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience! > > > > > Steve Jacobs > > > > Brighton, TN- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To post to this group, send email to Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Legacy-Ornamental-Mills -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Noobe questions..
Art, You are correct at saying "This question makes it very obvious that you are new to this forum", but I indicated that very thing in my opening message, " Folks, I am new here and looking seriously at buying a Legacy 900.." I'm not sure if you were trying to slam me or not but I will give you the benefit of the doubt. I value the opinions of true users of a machine hence the questions. I was burned on other equipment and have learned to ask. I am a bit surprised that there have not been any Legacy supporters comment on a Legacy forum. I guess this may be another indicator. I will start reading up on the Joe CNC but it is difficult to do that as the forums are closed to other than plans buyers. So as it is difficult to find info on the Legacy it is more difficult to find info on the Joe. I'm sure I'll get the normal, "What do you want to know" and that in itself is a problem as I don't have enough knowledge about it in order to ask good questions. Thanks for the feedback.. Steve On Jul 28, 1:11 pm, wrote: > > How is the company to work with for service and support? This question > > makes it very obvious that you are new to this forum. I am not the one to > > answer this question because I believe that it is safe to say that I am > > VERY!! low on Legacy's love list. > > My sugestion is to build the Joe CNC 4by4 Hybrid and add a rotary axis. This > will give you a fully functionaly CNC router and ability tt do rotary stock > up tp 6" by 36". Total cost will be around $3500 which is les than the CNC > 900 and a lot more useful machine. > > > > SteveEJ wrote: > > > Pens, Mouldings - both straight and curved, spindles, pilasters, > > limited jointery. > > > Is it more cost effective to buy the CNC up front or get the non-CNC > > version and upgrade later? ie: will there be parts/adapters that are > > removed and not used anymore once the CNC is installed? > > > How is the company to work with for service and support? > > > Thanks again, > > > Steve > > > On Jul 27, 8:10 pm, wrote: > > > There are several options avaliable but most important is what do you > > > wnat the machine for > > > > SteveEJ wrote: > > > > > Folks, > > > > I am new here and looking seriously at buying a Legacy 900. There > > > > are several options available as well as a CNC upgrade. The Legacy web > > > > site is not very informative about the CNC upgrade(s). With money and > > > > the economy being as it is, and I am saving for the machine I want to > > > > make sure that I make good decisions up front. So with that in mind, > > > > is buying a 900 without the CNC upgrade smart or would it be better if > > > > I save a little longer and get the machine with the CNC upgrade? I > > > > don't want to but accessories and have them obsolete as soon as I get > > > > the upgrade. > > > > Another concern I have is the company itself. Post purchase service > > > > and help is a big thing for me. I may be a little gun shy here as I > > > > bought a CarveWright and had repair issues right out of the box. Down > > > > time really has put a damper on my enthuasiam towards the CarveWright. > > > > It is working well, for now and I wanted to mix the capabilities of > > > > each to make some unique hand down furniture, etc. > > > > Software requirements. Is there any software that is not provided > > > > with the CNC upgrade that would be considered essential? If so, how > > > > much more of an investment would that be? > > > > > Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience! > > > > > Steve Jacobs > > > > Brighton, TN- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To post to this group, send email to Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Legacy-Ornamental-Mills -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Noobe questions..
Actually, you will be able to handle rotary stock up to about 12" X 40" if you build your rotary axis the same way I did. -Original Message- From: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mi...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of akran...@tx.rr.com Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 1:11 PM To: Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com Cc: SteveEJ Subject: Re: Noobe questions.. > How is the company to work with for service and support? This question makes > it very obvious that you are new to this forum. I am not the one to answer > this question because I believe that it is safe to say that I am VERY!! low > on Legacy's love list. My sugestion is to build the Joe CNC 4by4 Hybrid and add a rotary axis. This will give you a fully functionaly CNC router and ability tt do rotary stock up tp 6" by 36". Total cost will be around $3500 which is les than the CNC 900 and a lot more useful machine. SteveEJ wrote: > > Pens, Mouldings - both straight and curved, spindles, pilasters, > limited jointery. > > Is it more cost effective to buy the CNC up front or get the non-CNC > version and upgrade later? ie: will there be parts/adapters that are > removed and not used anymore once the CNC is installed? > > How is the company to work with for service and support? > > Thanks again, > > Steve > > On Jul 27, 8:10 pm, wrote: > > There are several options avaliable but most important is what do > > you wnat the machine for > > > > > > > > SteveEJ wrote: > > > > > Folks, > > > I am new here and looking seriously at buying a Legacy 900. > > > There are several options available as well as a CNC upgrade. The > > > Legacy web site is not very informative about the CNC upgrade(s). > > > With money and the economy being as it is, and I am saving for the > > > machine I want to make sure that I make good decisions up front. > > > So with that in mind, is buying a 900 without the CNC upgrade > > > smart or would it be better if I save a little longer and get the > > > machine with the CNC upgrade? I don't want to but accessories and > > > have them obsolete as soon as I get the upgrade. > > > Another concern I have is the company itself. Post purchase > > > service and help is a big thing for me. I may be a little gun shy > > > here as I bought a CarveWright and had repair issues right out of > > > the box. Down time really has put a damper on my enthuasiam towards the > > > CarveWright. > > > It is working well, for now and I wanted to mix the capabilities > > > of each to make some unique hand down furniture, etc. > > > Software requirements. Is there any software that is not > > > provided with the CNC upgrade that would be considered essential? > > > If so, how much more of an investment would that be? > > > > > Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience! > > > > > Steve Jacobs > > > Brighton, TN- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To post to this group, send email to Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Legacy-Ornamental-Mills -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Noobe questions..
> How is the company to work with for service and support? This question makes > it very obvious that you are new to this forum. I am not the one to answer > this question because I believe that it is safe to say that I am VERY!! low > on Legacy's love list. My sugestion is to build the Joe CNC 4by4 Hybrid and add a rotary axis. This will give you a fully functionaly CNC router and ability tt do rotary stock up tp 6" by 36". Total cost will be around $3500 which is les than the CNC 900 and a lot more useful machine. SteveEJ wrote: > > Pens, Mouldings - both straight and curved, spindles, pilasters, > limited jointery. > > Is it more cost effective to buy the CNC up front or get the non-CNC > version and upgrade later? ie: will there be parts/adapters that are > removed and not used anymore once the CNC is installed? > > How is the company to work with for service and support? > > Thanks again, > > Steve > > On Jul 27, 8:10 pm, wrote: > > There are several options avaliable but most important is what do you wnat > > the machine for > > > > > > > > SteveEJ wrote: > > > > > Folks, > > > I am new here and looking seriously at buying a Legacy 900. There > > > are several options available as well as a CNC upgrade. The Legacy web > > > site is not very informative about the CNC upgrade(s). With money and > > > the economy being as it is, and I am saving for the machine I want to > > > make sure that I make good decisions up front. So with that in mind, > > > is buying a 900 without the CNC upgrade smart or would it be better if > > > I save a little longer and get the machine with the CNC upgrade? I > > > don't want to but accessories and have them obsolete as soon as I get > > > the upgrade. > > > Another concern I have is the company itself. Post purchase service > > > and help is a big thing for me. I may be a little gun shy here as I > > > bought a CarveWright and had repair issues right out of the box. Down > > > time really has put a damper on my enthuasiam towards the CarveWright. > > > It is working well, for now and I wanted to mix the capabilities of > > > each to make some unique hand down furniture, etc. > > > Software requirements. Is there any software that is not provided > > > with the CNC upgrade that would be considered essential? If so, how > > > much more of an investment would that be? > > > > > Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience! > > > > > Steve Jacobs > > > Brighton, TN- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To post to this group, send email to Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Legacy-Ornamental-Mills -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Noobe questions..
Pens, Mouldings - both straight and curved, spindles, pilasters, limited jointery. Is it more cost effective to buy the CNC up front or get the non-CNC version and upgrade later? ie: will there be parts/adapters that are removed and not used anymore once the CNC is installed? How is the company to work with for service and support? Thanks again, Steve On Jul 27, 8:10 pm, wrote: > There are several options avaliable but most important is what do you wnat > the machine for > > > > SteveEJ wrote: > > > Folks, > > I am new here and looking seriously at buying a Legacy 900. There > > are several options available as well as a CNC upgrade. The Legacy web > > site is not very informative about the CNC upgrade(s). With money and > > the economy being as it is, and I am saving for the machine I want to > > make sure that I make good decisions up front. So with that in mind, > > is buying a 900 without the CNC upgrade smart or would it be better if > > I save a little longer and get the machine with the CNC upgrade? I > > don't want to but accessories and have them obsolete as soon as I get > > the upgrade. > > Another concern I have is the company itself. Post purchase service > > and help is a big thing for me. I may be a little gun shy here as I > > bought a CarveWright and had repair issues right out of the box. Down > > time really has put a damper on my enthuasiam towards the CarveWright. > > It is working well, for now and I wanted to mix the capabilities of > > each to make some unique hand down furniture, etc. > > Software requirements. Is there any software that is not provided > > with the CNC upgrade that would be considered essential? If so, how > > much more of an investment would that be? > > > Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience! > > > Steve Jacobs > > Brighton, TN- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To post to this group, send email to Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Legacy-Ornamental-Mills -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Noobe questions..
There are several options avaliable but most important is what do you wnat the machine for SteveEJ wrote: > > Folks, > I am new here and looking seriously at buying a Legacy 900. There > are several options available as well as a CNC upgrade. The Legacy web > site is not very informative about the CNC upgrade(s). With money and > the economy being as it is, and I am saving for the machine I want to > make sure that I make good decisions up front. So with that in mind, > is buying a 900 without the CNC upgrade smart or would it be better if > I save a little longer and get the machine with the CNC upgrade? I > don't want to but accessories and have them obsolete as soon as I get > the upgrade. > Another concern I have is the company itself. Post purchase service > and help is a big thing for me. I may be a little gun shy here as I > bought a CarveWright and had repair issues right out of the box. Down > time really has put a damper on my enthuasiam towards the CarveWright. > It is working well, for now and I wanted to mix the capabilities of > each to make some unique hand down furniture, etc. > Software requirements. Is there any software that is not provided > with the CNC upgrade that would be considered essential? If so, how > much more of an investment would that be? > > Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience! > > Steve Jacobs > Brighton, TN > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To post to this group, send email to Legacy-Ornamental-Mills@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to legacy-ornamental-mills+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Legacy-Ornamental-Mills -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
