Re: [LegacyUG] Em Dash

[Brian/Support]

This Issue has now been resolved and the fix will be available in the 
next update to Legacy.


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Wayne Martell wrote:

I have been trying to use the em dash (alt-0151) in my notes. Every
time I insert it and then close the notes, it has reverted to an en
dash when I re-open the notes.

Has anybody else encountered this?

 


Wayne Martell
Victoria, BC, Canada


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Re: [LegacyUG] Non-Standard Date checking pop-up bug?

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Susan,

Bug confirmed. I will submit a report to the programmers.

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Susan Daily wrote:

In my Options-Customize-Dates I have it set to check formatting of
dates as they are entered and note any that are questionable.

I've entered a date "1996 to present" and expected the pop-up check.
But I keep clicking "Accept this date entry and continue future
warnings" and it pops back up again. So it obviously isn't accepting
the entry. Only way out of this loop is to click on Turn off Date
Validation. Then I have to go back to the Options screen and
recustomize.

Is this a possible bug, confirmed by anyone else? This seems new -
I've always had questionable dates pop up in the past and accepted
them and moved on. (I thought.) Particulars: Residence Event, Date,
version 6.0.0.110 Deluxe. Windows XP.

Thanks,
Susan


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[LegacyUG] Non-Standard Date checking pop-up bug?

[Susan Daily]

In my Options-Customize-Dates I have it set to check formatting of
dates as they are entered and note any that are questionable.

I've entered a date "1996 to present" and expected the pop-up check.
But I keep clicking "Accept this date entry and continue future
warnings" and it pops back up again. So it obviously isn't accepting
the entry. Only way out of this loop is to click on Turn off Date
Validation. Then I have to go back to the Options screen and
recustomize.

Is this a possible bug, confirmed by anyone else? This seems new -
I've always had questionable dates pop up in the past and accepted
them and moved on. (I thought.) Particulars: Residence Event, Date,
version 6.0.0.110 Deluxe. Windows XP.

Thanks,
Susan


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Re: [LegacyUG] Foster children

[frank morrow]

I wish I had nothing more to do than respond to messages about 'foster children', Dora. 
You obviously have more time than I do. 





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Re: [LegacyUG] Foster children

[RICHARD SCHULTHIES]

The rules I was refering to were actually the rules
for footnotes and source documentation in general
(term papers), not the 'side' issue of who belongs in
a family. What we are actually discussing, IMHO, is
the difference between genealogy (DNA based) and
family history (legal documentation). Since most, if
not all programs, can be used for both plans, we tend
to forget which we are doing. Or we may be trying to
do both.
I also use the rules required by some of the
heriditary societies, because it is good practice.
I include my adopted and foster children, and don't
worry about anyone's opinion. So I guess I use both.
Rich

--- Dora Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Richard,  what did the rules you learned for writing
> term papers in high 
> school specifically say about whether adopted
> children can be included in 
> genealogical reports?
> 
> Yours,
> Dora Smith
> Austin, TX
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "RICHARD SCHULTHIES" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 2:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Foster children
> 
> 
> > In my case, I use the rules I learned to write
> term
> > papers etc. in high school, and added to it from
> > discusssion like this. I have not bought the books
> > that are mentioned on and off, so I don't remember
> the
> > names. I also have a rule that I try to fill each
> > field in each person with something 'valid'. If I
> > don't have an exact date, I put an about, and put
> in
> > my notes, the facts I do have. I have 2 generic
> > sources. 1. 'IGI' aka FamilySearch. If it is a
> > partial, I mention what was there. 2 'My guesses'
> > which tells me I could find no better than someone
> > else's guess, so I KNOW how vuague the facts are.
> For
> > locations I have USA, Canada and Europe as well as
> > individual countries, with no more detail. these
> are
> > sourced under MY GUESSES. This way, if I find
> > something at a library, I can see at a glance that
> any
> > real date is better than my guess. If these are
> rigid
> > rules than I guess I have them. I don't worry
> about
> > the rules about italics, and the printed format.
> When
> > I get ready to print a book, I may regret this
> > atitude, but I have photocopies of front pages of
> all
> > source books, so IF needed, I can create them.
> > Rich
> >
> 
> 
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Re: [LegacyUG] RE: Adopted child

[WALTER D. CONNER]

Actually I can understand this but when it lists the generation, 3rd generation 
for instance, it also lists him twice in a row in duplication. This is the 
entry that is bothering the principal genealogist for the family.


  If you have the options set to show half relationships, the young man will 
show up twice in reports


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Re: [LegacyUG] RE: Adopted child

[Heather Stovold]

If you have the options set to show half relationships, the young man will
show up twice in reports   It is kind of a quirk of legacy that makes a
bit of sense - but not at first  basically they are showing up once for
the first marriage, and once for the second marriage...

I have the same thing with my step kids.

Heather


On 12/1/06, WALTER D. CONNER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


To clarify a little, the young man is my niece's son by her first marriage
which ended in divorce. Her second husband legally adapted the son and he
goes by the adaptive father's name of course.

Walt Conner



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Re: [LegacyUG] RE: Adopted child

[WALTER D. CONNER]

To clarify a little, the young man is my niece's son by her first marriage 
which ended in divorce. Her second husband legally adapted the son and he 
goes by the adaptive father's name of course.


Walt Conner 




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[LegacyUG] RE: Adopted child

[WALTER D. CONNER]

I have been away from Legacy and Genealogy for several months. I know I have 
seen how to show an adopted child so that they print out properly but I am 
not doing it right as I get a double printout of the person. I have the 
relationships set correctly for both marriages. I am using Legacy 5 Deluxe.


Thanks for any help,

Walt Conner 




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Re: [LegacyUG] Foster children

[Dora Smith]

Send them a GEDCOM or a report, Tim.

A chart is just that, a list of names, and usually it is written for a 
specific and very narrow reason.


Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, TX
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From: "Tim Willis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 5:58 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Foster children



So, with all of this talk about documenting foster children for future
generations, in the context of how to document this using Legacy; I notice
if you print a Descendancy "Book", you have the option of adding the
relationship of a child (if you want to see everyone's relationship), or
adding it to the person's notes, or an event showing the relationship for
the affected people.  That's fine, that works.

However, if you print a Descendancy "Chart", you have no such options 
(that

I can see).  Is there no way to display such a relationship without adding
something to the person's name like "Joshua Doe (foster child)", or 
putting

it in a birth or death location field?  Am I missing something, or is this
the only way to put something like this on a Descendancy Chart?

Seems to me, this would be useful so that if some well meaning person is
trying to share their genealogy with someone and prints a Descendancy 
Chart

and gives the wrong impression about the foster/adoptive child.  I realize
you would not want to "clutter" the Descendancy Chart with all kinds of
items, but it seems this would be important.  Any ideas here?

To me, this certainly illustrates to me that if you want to share 
something,

print a Descendancy book rather than a chart.  Alas, too late for some of
the people I have shared my info with.

Tim




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Re: [LegacyUG] Foster children

[Dora Smith]

Paul, I looked through these last night.

I can't find anythign at all to do with proper formats for genealogical 
reports, and I also could find no discussion about multiple spouses, step 
children, adopted children, and foster children.


I looked at standards for sound genealogical research, and guidelines for 
publishing web pages on the internet.  There seems to be no document on 
standards for publishing genealogical reports.


I do not find anything about adopted children, foster children, or step 
children in anything that you've cited below, either.


Do you see something that I missed?

Actually, the editor of the NGS Quarterly wrote back to me that he knows of 
no rules or standards that forbid including these categories of children, 
that they should be included with proper documentation, and that no 
currently available genealogical software conforms to the actual standards 
of the professional genealogical societies, partly because they don't take 
family complexity into account.


Now, I thought I posted this, but the post I answered was in a funny place 
in my mailbox, and you could also have easily posted this long before I 
posted that, but just to be safe, I'll post the information again.


He specifically recommended a source; NGSQ style is Joan Ferris Curran, 
Madilyn Coen Crane, and John H. Wray, Numbering Your Genealogy: Basic 
Systems, Complex Families, and International Kin (Arlington, Va.,: National 
Genealogical Society, 1999), a publication that every serious genealogist 
should have. The second chapter addresses step relationships, adoptions, and 
similar complexities. It is based on a article that appeared in NGSQ about a 
decade ago.


Actually a quarter of this discussion is ending up in the funny place in my 
mailbox.   Some people ahve Fw in the subject line and OE isn't treating 
that as a list post.


He also wanted to know the sources of the idea that it is wrong to include 
these categories of children, and I'd like to pin that down too.PLEASE 
don't tell me people are getting this heated over what they extrapolated 
from their high school manuals on how to write term papers!I think it 
has to be a little more than that.   Is there any chance a desire to hush up 
irregular family details by ways of thinking a century old have something to 
do with this?   I have to be suspicious when you start saying that you only 
share information about foster and adopted children privately.


Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, TX
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- Original Message - 
From: "Paul C. Abell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 12:52 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Foster children


Dora, as you requested.  The following standards may be found at this 
link:


http://www.ngsgenealogy.org/comstandards.cfm

Standards For Sound Genealogical Research
Recommended by the National Genealogical Society

Remembering always that they are engaged in a quest for truth, family
history researchers consistently-

   * record the source for each item of information they collect.
   * test every hypothesis or theory against credible evidence, and reject
those that are not supported by the evidence.
   * seek original records, or reproduced images of them when there is
reasonable assurance they have not been altered, as the basis for their
research conclusions.
   * use compilations, communications and published works, whether paper 
or

electronic, primarily for their value as guides to locating the original
records, or as contributions to the critical analysis of the evidence
discussed in them.
   * state something as a fact only when it is supported by convincing
evidence, and identify the evidence when communicating the fact to others.
   * limit with words like "probable" or "possible" any statement that is
based on less than convincing evidence, and state the reasons for 
concluding

that it is probable or possible.
   * avoid misleading other researchers by either intentionally or
carelessly distributing or publishing inaccurate information.
   * state carefully and honestly the results of their own research, and
acknowledge all use of other researchers' work.
   * recognize the collegial nature of genealogical research by making
their work available to others through publication, or by placing copies 
in

appropriate libraries or repositories, and by welcoming critical comment.
   * consider with open minds new evidence or the comments of others on
their work and the conclusions they have reached.

C 1997, 2002 by National Genealogical Society. Permission is granted to 
copy

or publish this material provided it is reproduced in its entirety,
including this notice.

Standards For Use of Technology in Genealogical Research
Recommended by the National Genealogical Society

Mindful that computers are tools, genealogists take full responsibility 
for

their work, and therefore they-

   * learn the capabilities and limits of their equipment and software, 
and

use them only

Re: [LegacyUG] Foster children - Rules

[Lisa Young]

 If the standards promoted by the NGS & BCG aren't the rules you're 
talking about, I can't tell anymore what rules you're so interested in 
or that you think Legacy is following.


Lisa

Dora Smith wrote:
I looked on all of those sites for these rules and could not find any 
rules at all.  As I posted (I think).


Meanwhile, NGS, NEHGS and TAG have all responded to me that no such 
rules exist.   The editor of the NGS Quarterly asked me to give him my 
sources for thinking differently.


Can you please give the exact url's on these sites where these rules can 
be found.


It matters for personal genealogy, because the software developers may 
also be following these rules or some perceptions of what these rules 
may be.


Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, TX
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- Original Message - From: "Linda Altman" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 10:34 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Foster children



"The Rules" which can be found at http://www.ngsgenealogy.org,
http://www.apgen.org and http://www.bcgcertification.org These are the
standards that the professional genealogy community is required to adhere
to. The reason these "rules" or more correctly, standards are in place 
is to

prevent as much as possible people who invent genealogies and family
histories and charge a fee to others for that purpose. The goal is to
document all sources, and to use all available records to compile an
accurate portrayal of a family.








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Re: [LegacyUG] Foster children

[Dora Smith]

Paul, documentation is a different matter than who belongs in a genealogy 
report.


Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, TX
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From: "Paul C. Abell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 12:44 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Foster children



Dora,
I must say that I agree with everything you say.  I think you still miss 
my
point.  Too many people today have become lazy about their documentation. 
I

don't worry about how others describe their family.  My point from the
beginning is that there are too many people claiming to do "genealogical
research" and even if they aren't just "plugging" in names, the too often
don't document.>>







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Re: [LegacyUG] Foster children

[Dora Smith]

Richard,  what did the rules you learned for writing term papers in high 
school specifically say about whether adopted children can be included in 
genealogical reports?


Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, TX
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- Original Message - 
From: "RICHARD SCHULTHIES" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 2:00 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Foster children



In my case, I use the rules I learned to write term
papers etc. in high school, and added to it from
discusssion like this. I have not bought the books
that are mentioned on and off, so I don't remember the
names. I also have a rule that I try to fill each
field in each person with something 'valid'. If I
don't have an exact date, I put an about, and put in
my notes, the facts I do have. I have 2 generic
sources. 1. 'IGI' aka FamilySearch. If it is a
partial, I mention what was there. 2 'My guesses'
which tells me I could find no better than someone
else's guess, so I KNOW how vuague the facts are. For
locations I have USA, Canada and Europe as well as
individual countries, with no more detail. these are
sourced under MY GUESSES. This way, if I find
something at a library, I can see at a glance that any
real date is better than my guess. If these are rigid
rules than I guess I have them. I don't worry about
the rules about italics, and the printed format. When
I get ready to print a book, I may regret this
atitude, but I have photocopies of front pages of all
source books, so IF needed, I can create them.
Rich





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Re: [LegacyUG] Foster children

[Dora Smith]

I looked on all of those sites for these rules and could not find any rules 
at all.  As I posted (I think).


Meanwhile, NGS, NEHGS and TAG have all responded to me that no such rules 
exist.   The editor of the NGS Quarterly asked me to give him my sources for 
thinking differently.


Can you please give the exact url's on these sites where these rules can be 
found.


It matters for personal genealogy, because the software developers may also 
be following these rules or some perceptions of what these rules may be.


Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, TX
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From: "Linda Altman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 10:34 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Foster children



"The Rules" which can be found at http://www.ngsgenealogy.org,
http://www.apgen.org and http://www.bcgcertification.org These are the
standards that the professional genealogy community is required to adhere
to. The reason these "rules" or more correctly, standards are in place is 
to

prevent as much as possible people who invent genealogies and family
histories and charge a fee to others for that purpose. The goal is to
document all sources, and to use all available records to compile an
accurate portrayal of a family.





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Re: [LegacyUG] Family Atlas Genealogy Mapping

[E.Rodier]

Pierre,
Does MMFT have maps for Canada, Australia or Britain? Your spam software 
blocks private e-mails.

- Original Message - 
From: "Pierre Cloutier"
> Map My Family Tree does not show historical boundaries at the present 
> time.





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Re: Fw: [LegacyUG] Foster children

[Kay Fordham]

Dora,

I presume you contacted the societies listed below via email.  If so, I 
would be interested in seeing their responses to your query.  If you would 
care to share, please send to me off-list at [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Thanks,
Kay Fordham

- Original Message - 
From: "Dora Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: [LegacyUG] Foster children


I heard back from teh people I contacted at the NGS, TAG, and NEHGS, and 
all said that as far as they know no such rules exist, and the editor of 
National Genealogical Society Quarterly wanted my source of any information 
that the rules we've been debating here exist.


He said that in reality, none of the genealogical software currently 
available conforms to genealogical society standards, and one place they 
particularly fall short is in allowing for family complexity, such as step 
children, foster children, and adopted children.


He recommended Numbering Your Genealogy: Basic Systems, Complex Families, 
and International Kin (Arlington, Va.,: National Genealogical Society, 
1999), a publication that every serious genealogist should have. The 
second chapter addresses step relationships, adoptions, and similar 
complexities. It is based on a article that appeared in NGSQ about a 
decade ago.







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Re: Fw: [LegacyUG] Foster children

[Dora Smith]

I heard back from teh people I contacted at the NGS, TAG, and NEHGS, and all 
said that as far as they know no such rules exist, and the editor of 
National Genealogical Society Quarterly wanted my source of any information 
that the rules we've been debating here exist.


He said that in reality, none of the genealogical software currently 
available conforms to genealogical society standards, and one place they 
particularly fall short is in allowing for family complexity, such as step 
children, foster children, and adopted children.


He recommended Numbering Your Genealogy: Basic Systems, Complex Families, 
and International Kin (Arlington, Va.,: National Genealogical Society, 
1999), a publication that every serious genealogist should have. The second 
chapter addresses step relationships, adoptions, and similar complexities. 
It is based on a article that appeared in NGSQ about a decade ago.


So come on, y'all, where did you get the notion that such rules exist?  I've 
got to pin this down, now!


I'm not addressing people who didn't say such rules exist.

Laura, I believe that you had no idea what you were setting off.   I didn't 
believe what I set off the times I've raised it, either.   Neither do I 
believe that so many of the available genealogical programs can't do basic 
common sense.


Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, TX
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message - 
From: "LAURA Taylor-Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 12:28 PM
Subject: RE: Fw: [LegacyUG] Foster children


Goodness! I did not mean to cause any ruckus by asking about foster 
children. These boys, who are now grown men, were very much loved by Uncle 
Chris and his wife. Olivene was very disappointed that she could never 
have any biological children so she focused all of her love and attention 
on George and Allan Krienke. They were very much family, not just part 
time children. Allan was the informant on Chris's death certificate, which 
means that he was as much a son as a biological one. Both men lived in the 
Bellingham/Seattle areas in Washington.
I believe in following rules in keeping the genealogy accurate and up to 
date for future generations. But rules can be changed and adapted.
My husband has had adopted children in a couple of past marriages. He 
loved them as if they were his own. So why do they get to be on the family 
list and not foster children?
I love doing the genealogy on our families and learning as much about the 
country as the people. But when it gets to be a pain about strict rules 
that one has to follow it is not fun.





From: "Anne Hildrum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
To: 
Subject: Fw: [LegacyUG] Foster children
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 17:13:00 +0100

Hehe Paul,

I bet most Norwegians would have no idea what you meant with
having a Mammy.

I think if and if so how you list her would be very much up to you.
I bet it would be interresting for your grandchildren and descendants 
further

down the line to hear about her. In a way if you talk about Really "Real"
blood relationships, one thing you can't prove it by birthrecords nor 
bibles.
It indicates that it is right, but again without a DNA you never really 
can be sure.


With including anybody who makes us who we are, meaning family, yep I am
sure your Mammy is quite a bit a part of who you are, and had I had one
like it I might have included her in my story. I wouldn't have included 
her

family unless they also were like family to me.

Sure she is not your family genealogically speaking, but sure part of it 
family wise..


Anne
- Original Message - From: "Paul C. Abell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 1:16 AM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Foster children



Anne,
I can't argue with that.  However, that is where the integrity of 
research
and documentation fall into place.  That is why such documentation as 
census

records are not considered THE source for proof, rather they are clues to
point us to the right direction.  Before computers and the internet when
genealogies were kept on paper and in family bibles, it was easily noted 
and
many times noted when there were children listed that were not DNA 
related.

My whole point is that with programs such as Legacy, we do have problems.
Too many times people fail to make the notation that someone is only a
foster child.

So, let me ask everyone a question.  I am from the south.  I had a mammy.
Do I list Mammy as another mother?  Or as an aunt?  Or what?  She was in
every sense a second mother and very dearly loved.
Paul

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anne
Hildrum
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 8:47 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Foster children

My problem with including only blood(DNA) in the childrens
lists is that the only ones I could be 100% sure belong there are my
own children. I guess me and my b

RE: [LegacyUG] Foster children

[Tim Willis]

So, with all of this talk about documenting foster children for future
generations, in the context of how to document this using Legacy; I notice
if you print a Descendancy "Book", you have the option of adding the
relationship of a child (if you want to see everyone's relationship), or
adding it to the person's notes, or an event showing the relationship for
the affected people.  That's fine, that works.

However, if you print a Descendancy "Chart", you have no such options (that
I can see).  Is there no way to display such a relationship without adding
something to the person's name like "Joshua Doe (foster child)", or putting
it in a birth or death location field?  Am I missing something, or is this
the only way to put something like this on a Descendancy Chart?  

Seems to me, this would be useful so that if some well meaning person is
trying to share their genealogy with someone and prints a Descendancy Chart
and gives the wrong impression about the foster/adoptive child.  I realize
you would not want to "clutter" the Descendancy Chart with all kinds of
items, but it seems this would be important.  Any ideas here?

To me, this certainly illustrates to me that if you want to share something,
print a Descendancy book rather than a chart.  Alas, too late for some of
the people I have shared my info with.

Tim

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul C.
Abell
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 1:53 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Foster children

Dora, as you requested.  The following standards may be found at this link:

http://www.ngsgenealogy.org/comstandards.cfm

Standards For Sound Genealogical Research
Recommended by the National Genealogical Society

Remembering always that they are engaged in a quest for truth, family
history researchers consistently-

* record the source for each item of information they collect.
* test every hypothesis or theory against credible evidence, and reject
those that are not supported by the evidence.
* seek original records, or reproduced images of them when there is
reasonable assurance they have not been altered, as the basis for their
research conclusions.
* use compilations, communications and published works, whether paper or
electronic, primarily for their value as guides to locating the original
records, or as contributions to the critical analysis of the evidence
discussed in them.
* state something as a fact only when it is supported by convincing
evidence, and identify the evidence when communicating the fact to others.
* limit with words like "probable" or "possible" any statement that is
based on less than convincing evidence, and state the reasons for concluding
that it is probable or possible.
* avoid misleading other researchers by either intentionally or
carelessly distributing or publishing inaccurate information.
* state carefully and honestly the results of their own research, and
acknowledge all use of other researchers' work.
* recognize the collegial nature of genealogical research by making
their work available to others through publication, or by placing copies in
appropriate libraries or repositories, and by welcoming critical comment.
* consider with open minds new evidence or the comments of others on
their work and the conclusions they have reached. 

C 1997, 2002 by National Genealogical Society. Permission is granted to copy
or publish this material provided it is reproduced in its entirety,
including this notice.

Standards For Use of Technology in Genealogical Research
Recommended by the National Genealogical Society

Mindful that computers are tools, genealogists take full responsibility for
their work, and therefore they-

* learn the capabilities and limits of their equipment and software, and
use them only when they are the most appropriate tools for a purpose.
* do not accept uncritically the ability of software to format, number,
import, modify, check, chart or report their data, and therefore carefully
evaluate any resulting product.
* treat compiled information from on-line sources or digital databases
in the same way as other published sources--useful primarily as a guide to
locating original records, but not as evidence for a conclusion or
assertion.
* accept digital images or enhancements of an original record as a
satisfactory substitute for the original only when there is reasonable
assurance that the image accurately reproduces the unaltered original.
* cite sources for data obtained on-line or from digital media with the
same care that is appropriate for sources on paper and other traditional
media, and enter data into a digital database only when its source can
remain associated with it.
* always cite the sources for information or data posted on-line or sent
to others, naming the author of a digital file as its immediate source,
while crediting original sources cited wit

RE: [LegacyUG] Special Characters

[Tom Montgomery]

Found the characters in the descendant report under the wording tab -
individual and marriage events. As a result, additional events were created
which had no wording, etc. I have no idea how they were put there but
appears all is well now. 

TomM

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Montgomery
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 5:59 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Special Characters

 I have a problem and really have no idea if there is a solution. I rarely
use the special characters but the ribbon has always been activated. I just
ran a descendant book and one of these characters, no idea what it might be
called (third row, first character), appears in more than 50% of the
individuals - appears to be an event bullet. There is no wording attached to
the character. No idea how this happened but I need to get the thing
removed. I need to remove within Legacy and would like to do a global if at
all possible. Anybody know how this this might be done? I am using V
5
All advice gratefully accepted. 

TomM   

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RE: [LegacyUG] Foster children

[RICHARD SCHULTHIES]

Since about then 1920's, fostering and adopting hav
become more documented. The time when these events
take place determines more if papers exist. If in the
era when a court did create a foster or adoption, you
SHOULD get the documentaion. If closed ask the family
member for a copy, if you dare.
Rich

--- "Paul C. Abell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Dora,
> I must say that I agree with everything you say.  I
> think you still miss my
> point.  Too many people today have become lazy about
> their documentation.  I
> don't worry about how others describe their family. 
> My point from the
> beginning is that there are too many people claiming
> to do "genealogical
> research" and even if they aren't just "plugging" in
> names, the too often
> don't document.  If someone was to ask me about
> adding foster children, I
> would tell them that if they were part of the
> family, the definitely belong
> in the data, IF AND ONLY IF, they provide a notation
> that they were only
> foster children and/or list the biological parents
> as you suggest.  I have
> family members that claim to be researching but take
> info off the internet
> and plug in names that do not belong.  As far as
> other people describing
> their families, as you put it; one must always
> consider the fact that sooner
> or later, there will be others seeing the
> information, especially if placed
> on the web.  That is the only reason.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Dora Smith
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 8:00 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Foster children
> 
> Not false information, Paul, just complex.   They
> are part of the family. 
> Just not in the same relationship.If someone
> cares enough about the 
> family to do in depth research, they'll find out the
> correct information. 
> If not, nothing lost.  What's the worst thing people
> can do to the memory of
> 
> relatives about whom they want to know only their
> names?   Baptize them into
> 
> the Mormon Church?
> 
> But if you're VERY worried about it, you can always
> put "foster child" in 
> place of birth in the files you send the LGS.I
> put "Northampton State 
> Hospital" for place of death for my two great
> grandmothers who did die 
> there, in the files I sent LDS, to make relatives
> who research there aware 
> of the family history of manic depression, which
> concealed genetic disease 
> is the one genealogical detail it is most important
> that our relatives know.
> 
> One of their fathers died in "Died of Alcoholism". 
> If something's important
> 
> enough, you can always find a way to communicate!
> 
> As an alternative, you could add the children's
> biological parents.   That 
> will force people to realize they aren't the
> biological children of the 
> people who raised them.  You can even add their
> biological parents if you 
> don't know their names.   My own ancestry has a
> number of unknown parents 
> for people who were siblings whose parents are
> unknown.   Do you have any 
> clue, like the children's surnames?   One warning;
> if they are foster 
> children, you are more likely to know the surname of
> the mother than of the 
> father, and you only need to add one biological
> parent for researchers to 
> realize the parents who raised them are not
> biological parents.
> 
> But I'm still kind of smelling a lack of willingness
> on your part to view 
> those children as potentially family, even in
> families not your own.   Why 
> are you so worried about how OTHER people describe
> their families?
> 
> Yours,
> Dora Smith
> Austin, TX
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Paul C. Abell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 6:05 PM
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Foster children
> 
> 
> > The problem from where we sit is that it depends
> on if you want your
> > genealogy to have any integrity.  You list foster
> children as children and
> > publish it and others then download it without
> checking sources (if you 
> > had
> > any) and consider it gospel.  There is already too
> much "mis-information" 
> > on
> > the internet about what true genealogy really is. 
> When using genealogy, 
> > the
> > integrity is either there or not.
> > Legacy allows you many options for listing foster
> children without them
> > actually
> > showing up as children.  Foster and Step are not
> the same thing.  My 
> > brother
> > has two stepchildren that are family in every
> other sense of the word.  Do
> 
> > I
> > have them listed as his children.  Absolutely not,
> because they are not 
> > his
> > children.  They are listed as her children by her
> first marriage.  It
> > doesn't matter how one feels about people that are
> not related.  They 
> > still
> > are never related.  I, for one, choose to include
> in my notes that these 
> > two
> > children, now grown, were the only people outside
> my brot

Re: [LegacyUG] Searching

[Tom Element]

Hello Jennie

That's good lateral thinking, Jennie!   Works well, of course, and is very 
quick to execute.   I was hoping for a global search as I wasn't at all sure 
the location 'Bowning' was in a 'location' field but rather in 'notes' 
somewhere.


Thanks for the help
Tom

- Original Message - 
From: "Jennie Goodwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 5:53 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Searching



Tom:

You can also look in the Master Location List itself.
You might have to do it using several sorts -- the
search apparently only searches the field before the
first comma.  If you know which field you expect to
find Bowning in, sort on that field first.  Otherwise
just sort by city, county, state, country.

Key in Bowning in the Find: window. If it's there,
select Show List in the options list at the right side
of the window.  It'll list every person who uses this
location by ID, Name, Sex, and Tags 1-3.

If it isn't there, sort with the County field first
and try again.  Continue as necessary by sorting using
the State and Country fields first.

Jennie


--- Tom Element <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Something that's always bothered me.   I'm trying to
find which family has the location named 'Bowning'
attached to it in some way, a way which I can not
remember, and it's not necessarily in the location
field.   I know that name is mentioned somewhere in
my database but where...?

Is there any way to 'globally' search for a word,
with out going through numerous 'fields' with
numerous searches?

I've never been able to figure that one out.

Regards
Tom






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RE: [LegacyUG] Funeral Home information

[M. Brenzel]

Thank you to Laurence, Leo and Chris for your suggestions.  I'll check
each of them out and see what fits best for me.
 
Mary
 
-Original Message-
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Brenzel
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 6:07 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Funeral Home information
 
Where do others record the name of the funeral home used?  I am
interested in different ideas.
 
Thank you.
 
Mary
 
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RE: [LegacyUG] Foster children

[Paul C. Abell]

Dora, as you requested.  The following standards may be found at this link:

http://www.ngsgenealogy.org/comstandards.cfm

Standards For Sound Genealogical Research
Recommended by the National Genealogical Society

Remembering always that they are engaged in a quest for truth, family
history researchers consistently-

* record the source for each item of information they collect.
* test every hypothesis or theory against credible evidence, and reject
those that are not supported by the evidence.
* seek original records, or reproduced images of them when there is
reasonable assurance they have not been altered, as the basis for their
research conclusions.
* use compilations, communications and published works, whether paper or
electronic, primarily for their value as guides to locating the original
records, or as contributions to the critical analysis of the evidence
discussed in them.
* state something as a fact only when it is supported by convincing
evidence, and identify the evidence when communicating the fact to others.
* limit with words like "probable" or "possible" any statement that is
based on less than convincing evidence, and state the reasons for concluding
that it is probable or possible.
* avoid misleading other researchers by either intentionally or
carelessly distributing or publishing inaccurate information.
* state carefully and honestly the results of their own research, and
acknowledge all use of other researchers' work.
* recognize the collegial nature of genealogical research by making
their work available to others through publication, or by placing copies in
appropriate libraries or repositories, and by welcoming critical comment.
* consider with open minds new evidence or the comments of others on
their work and the conclusions they have reached. 

C 1997, 2002 by National Genealogical Society. Permission is granted to copy
or publish this material provided it is reproduced in its entirety,
including this notice.

Standards For Use of Technology in Genealogical Research
Recommended by the National Genealogical Society

Mindful that computers are tools, genealogists take full responsibility for
their work, and therefore they-

* learn the capabilities and limits of their equipment and software, and
use them only when they are the most appropriate tools for a purpose.
* do not accept uncritically the ability of software to format, number,
import, modify, check, chart or report their data, and therefore carefully
evaluate any resulting product.
* treat compiled information from on-line sources or digital databases
in the same way as other published sources--useful primarily as a guide to
locating original records, but not as evidence for a conclusion or
assertion.
* accept digital images or enhancements of an original record as a
satisfactory substitute for the original only when there is reasonable
assurance that the image accurately reproduces the unaltered original.
* cite sources for data obtained on-line or from digital media with the
same care that is appropriate for sources on paper and other traditional
media, and enter data into a digital database only when its source can
remain associated with it.
* always cite the sources for information or data posted on-line or sent
to others, naming the author of a digital file as its immediate source,
while crediting original sources cited within the file.
* preserve the integrity of their own databases by evaluating the
reliability of downloaded data before incorporating it into their own files.
* provide, whenever they alter data received in digital form, a
description of the change that will accompany the altered data whenever it
is shared with others.
* actively oppose the proliferation of error, rumor and fraud by
personally verifying or correcting information, or noting it as unverified,
before passing it on to others.
* treat people on-line as courteously and civilly as they would treat
them face-to-face, not separated by networks and anonymity.
* accept that technology has not changed the principles of genealogical
research, only some of the procedures. 

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RE: [LegacyUG] Foster children

[Paul C. Abell]

That type of thing happens much too often, unfortunately.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RICHARD
SCHULTHIES
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 1:43 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Foster children

Yes, but are we who document correctly supposed to
monitor what our cousins do with our informarion. I do
check on what comes from these folks, but after they
have gotten stuff from me I am powerless to stop
errors. I have one instance where I had included on
some info, that there was NO Proof, and there were 3
possible fathers, and six months later, I recieved the
data from him through a third party, where birth
records were cited for New England Towns that had no
records in that time frame, and combined the 3 names
into one person, using me as the source.
Rich

--- "Paul C. Abell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Too many times, when second hand information is
> passed on such as onto the
> web sites, the original notes listing foster
> children as such, are lost and
> others don't know that.  I have no problem listing
> foster children as
> family, because they are loved in the same manner.
> However, too many people
> new to genealogy and unfamiliar with historical
> standards fail to make the
> necessary notations.  I have seen it happen too many
> times.  My
> gr-gr-grandfather had an uncle.  Someone "hand
> copied"  the family bible and
> included his name.  The majority of cousins,
> including to the 3rd cousins,
> think it came out of the bible.  They didn't realize
> it was a hand copy
> before copy machines.  They thought the copy was
> made from the bible by a
> copy machine.  However, when I actually saw the
> original bible, his name was
> not in it.  My point is that someone wanted him
> included in that family when
> he was not part of that family.  Therefore, the
> integrity of the majority of
> research was compromised when cousins thought they
> had a link going back
> several centuriesinto the 12th century to be
> exact.  That is also what
> they hoped.  So, when the original did not list him
> as a child, there was a
> big uproar in the family and it was all caused by a
> lack of integrity and
> not following the age old standards as passed down
> to many of us that
> learned from the best.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of ronald
> ferguson
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 6:36 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Foster children
> 
> It is *not* "false information" to include a foster
> child as a foster child 
> in a family with whom the child is fostered. If
> people cannot read it is 
> their problem.
> 
> Ron Ferguson
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> >From: "Paul C. Abell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> >To: 
> >Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Foster children
> >Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 18:05:23 -0600
> >
>   SoI for one, choose not
> >to pollute my database with false information.
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Dora Smith
> >Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 7:01 PM
> >To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> >Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Foster children
> >
> >I'm writing for my descendants, not NEHGS.So I
> do what makes sense to
> >me.
> >
> >Where is this emphasis on some sort of rigid rules
> from God knows where 
> >that
> >
> >make no sense coming from?   "Violated rule number
> two twice"?   Who's
> >counting, and who's goinna slap mah wrists!   If
> people want to be rule
> >bound, why do they need to try to coerce other
> people to participate in 
> >this
> >
> >anxiety disorder?   What difference does it make if
> Laura does her 
> >genealogy
> >
> >the same way Bill Houdek does?
> >
> >  But then, someone on one list explained to me
> that some people doing 
> >family
> >
> >genealogy projects follow some bizarre outmoded
> rules that NEHGS and TAG 
> >and
> >
> >another group apply to what they will publish in
> their journals.   I don't
> >give two hoots what NEHGS and TAG allow in their
> journals.   I publish my
> >findings on the web, and discuss problems on the
> genealogy lists, and will
> >never submit anything to NEHGS and TAG, and it
> sounds like they might not
> >publish it if I did.
> >
> >But with that said, noone can tell Laura how to
> list those foster children.
> >If the couple raised them and then they were listed
> as contacts by the
> >funeral home, I would think they were family, but
> maybe L

Re: [LegacyUG] Searching

[Jennie Goodwin]

Tom:

You can also look in the Master Location List itself. 
You might have to do it using several sorts -- the
search apparently only searches the field before the
first comma.  If you know which field you expect to
find Bowning in, sort on that field first.  Otherwise
just sort by city, county, state, country.  

Key in Bowning in the Find: window. If it's there,
select Show List in the options list at the right side
of the window.  It'll list every person who uses this
location by ID, Name, Sex, and Tags 1-3.

If it isn't there, sort with the County field first
and try again.  Continue as necessary by sorting using
the State and Country fields first.

Jennie


--- Tom Element <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Something that's always bothered me.   I'm trying to
> find which family has the location named 'Bowning'
> attached to it in some way, a way which I can not
> remember, and it's not necessarily in the location
> field.   I know that name is mentioned somewhere in
> my database but where...?
> 
> Is there any way to 'globally' search for a word,
> with out going through numerous 'fields' with
> numerous searches?
> 
> I've never been able to figure that one out.
> 
> Regards
> Tom
> 
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RE: [LegacyUG] Foster children

[Paul C. Abell]

Dora,
I must say that I agree with everything you say.  I think you still miss my
point.  Too many people today have become lazy about their documentation.  I
don't worry about how others describe their family.  My point from the
beginning is that there are too many people claiming to do "genealogical
research" and even if they aren't just "plugging" in names, the too often
don't document.  If someone was to ask me about adding foster children, I
would tell them that if they were part of the family, the definitely belong
in the data, IF AND ONLY IF, they provide a notation that they were only
foster children and/or list the biological parents as you suggest.  I have
family members that claim to be researching but take info off the internet
and plug in names that do not belong.  As far as other people describing
their families, as you put it; one must always consider the fact that sooner
or later, there will be others seeing the information, especially if placed
on the web.  That is the only reason.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dora Smith
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 8:00 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Foster children

Not false information, Paul, just complex.   They are part of the family. 
Just not in the same relationship.If someone cares enough about the 
family to do in depth research, they'll find out the correct information. 
If not, nothing lost.  What's the worst thing people can do to the memory of

relatives about whom they want to know only their names?   Baptize them into

the Mormon Church?

But if you're VERY worried about it, you can always put "foster child" in 
place of birth in the files you send the LGS.I put "Northampton State 
Hospital" for place of death for my two great grandmothers who did die 
there, in the files I sent LDS, to make relatives who research there aware 
of the family history of manic depression, which concealed genetic disease 
is the one genealogical detail it is most important that our relatives know.

One of their fathers died in "Died of Alcoholism".  If something's important

enough, you can always find a way to communicate!

As an alternative, you could add the children's biological parents.   That 
will force people to realize they aren't the biological children of the 
people who raised them.  You can even add their biological parents if you 
don't know their names.   My own ancestry has a number of unknown parents 
for people who were siblings whose parents are unknown.   Do you have any 
clue, like the children's surnames?   One warning; if they are foster 
children, you are more likely to know the surname of the mother than of the 
father, and you only need to add one biological parent for researchers to 
realize the parents who raised them are not biological parents.

But I'm still kind of smelling a lack of willingness on your part to view 
those children as potentially family, even in families not your own.   Why 
are you so worried about how OTHER people describe their families?

Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, TX
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message - 
From: "Paul C. Abell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 6:05 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Foster children


> The problem from where we sit is that it depends on if you want your
> genealogy to have any integrity.  You list foster children as children and
> publish it and others then download it without checking sources (if you 
> had
> any) and consider it gospel.  There is already too much "mis-information" 
> on
> the internet about what true genealogy really is.  When using genealogy, 
> the
> integrity is either there or not.
> Legacy allows you many options for listing foster children without them
> actually
> showing up as children.  Foster and Step are not the same thing.  My 
> brother
> has two stepchildren that are family in every other sense of the word.  Do

> I
> have them listed as his children.  Absolutely not, because they are not 
> his
> children.  They are listed as her children by her first marriage.  It
> doesn't matter how one feels about people that are not related.  They 
> still
> are never related.  I, for one, choose to include in my notes that these 
> two
> children, now grown, were the only people outside my brothers and I that
> were ever included in my parents' wills.  My parents loved them enough to
> name them but never named another grandchild.  SoI for one, choose not
> to pollute my database with false information.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dora 
> Smith
> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 7:01 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Foster children
>
> I'm writing for my descendants, not NEHGS.So I do what makes sense to
> me.
>
> Where is this emphasis on some sort of rigid rules from God knows where 
> that
>
> make 

RE: Fw: [LegacyUG] Foster children

[LAURA Taylor-Hanson]

Goodness! I did not mean to cause any ruckus by asking about foster 
children. These boys, who are now grown men, were very much loved by Uncle 
Chris and his wife. Olivene was very disappointed that she could never have 
any biological children so she focused all of her love and attention on 
George and Allan Krienke. They were very much family, not just part time 
children. Allan was the informant on Chris's death certificate, which means 
that he was as much a son as a biological one. Both men lived in the 
Bellingham/Seattle areas in Washington.
I believe in following rules in keeping the genealogy accurate and up to 
date for future generations. But rules can be changed and adapted.
My husband has had adopted children in a couple of past marriages. He loved 
them as if they were his own. So why do they get to be on the family list 
and not foster children?
I love doing the genealogy on our families and learning as much about the 
country as the people. But when it gets to be a pain about strict rules that 
one has to follow it is not fun.





From: "Anne Hildrum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
To: 
Subject: Fw: [LegacyUG] Foster children
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 17:13:00 +0100

Hehe Paul,

I bet most Norwegians would have no idea what you meant with
having a Mammy.

I think if and if so how you list her would be very much up to you.
I bet it would be interresting for your grandchildren and descendants 
further

down the line to hear about her. In a way if you talk about Really "Real"
blood relationships, one thing you can't prove it by birthrecords nor 
bibles.
It indicates that it is right, but again without a DNA you never really can 
be sure.


With including anybody who makes us who we are, meaning family, yep I am
sure your Mammy is quite a bit a part of who you are, and had I had one
like it I might have included her in my story. I wouldn't have included her
family unless they also were like family to me.

Sure she is not your family genealogically speaking, but sure part of it 
family wise..


Anne
- Original Message - From: "Paul C. Abell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 1:16 AM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Foster children



Anne,
I can't argue with that.  However, that is where the integrity of research
and documentation fall into place.  That is why such documentation as 
census

records are not considered THE source for proof, rather they are clues to
point us to the right direction.  Before computers and the internet when
genealogies were kept on paper and in family bibles, it was easily noted 
and
many times noted when there were children listed that were not DNA 
related.

My whole point is that with programs such as Legacy, we do have problems.
Too many times people fail to make the notation that someone is only a
foster child.

So, let me ask everyone a question.  I am from the south.  I had a mammy.
Do I list Mammy as another mother?  Or as an aunt?  Or what?  She was in
every sense a second mother and very dearly loved.
Paul

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anne
Hildrum
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 8:47 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Foster children

My problem with including only blood(DNA) in the childrens
lists is that the only ones I could be 100% sure belong there are my
own children. I guess me and my brothers could get DNA tested to
make sure we belong together, but I guess further back how do I prove
they belong.

I have no problem seeing what people are saying about foster and adopted
children, but again  most of us probably have ancestry in our files that
don't belong there
unknown to ourselves. I think I read that about 10% of peoples fathers are
wrong.

Kind of makes it funny thinking about those who for years only have been
interested in teh paternal line.

Anne



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Fw: [LegacyUG] Foster children

[Anne Hildrum]

Hehe Paul,

I bet most Norwegians would have no idea what you meant with
having a Mammy.

I think if and if so how you list her would be very much up to you.
I bet it would be interresting for your grandchildren and descendants 
further

down the line to hear about her. In a way if you talk about Really "Real"
blood relationships, one thing you can't prove it by birthrecords nor 
bibles.
It indicates that it is right, but again without a DNA you never really can 
be sure.


With including anybody who makes us who we are, meaning family, yep I am
sure your Mammy is quite a bit a part of who you are, and had I had one
like it I might have included her in my story. I wouldn't have included her
family unless they also were like family to me.

Sure she is not your family genealogically speaking, but sure part of it 
family wise..


Anne
- Original Message - 
From: "Paul C. Abell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 1:16 AM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Foster children



Anne,
I can't argue with that.  However, that is where the integrity of research
and documentation fall into place.  That is why such documentation as 
census

records are not considered THE source for proof, rather they are clues to
point us to the right direction.  Before computers and the internet when
genealogies were kept on paper and in family bibles, it was easily noted 
and
many times noted when there were children listed that were not DNA 
related.

My whole point is that with programs such as Legacy, we do have problems.
Too many times people fail to make the notation that someone is only a
foster child.

So, let me ask everyone a question.  I am from the south.  I had a mammy.
Do I list Mammy as another mother?  Or as an aunt?  Or what?  She was in
every sense a second mother and very dearly loved.
Paul

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anne
Hildrum
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 8:47 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Foster children

My problem with including only blood(DNA) in the childrens
lists is that the only ones I could be 100% sure belong there are my
own children. I guess me and my brothers could get DNA tested to
make sure we belong together, but I guess further back how do I prove
they belong.

I have no problem seeing what people are saying about foster and adopted
children, but again  most of us probably have ancestry in our files that
don't belong there
unknown to ourselves. I think I read that about 10% of peoples fathers are
wrong.

Kind of makes it funny thinking about those who for years only have been
interested in teh paternal line.

Anne



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Re: [LegacyUG] Family Atlas Genealogy Mapping

[Pierre Cloutier]

Map My Family Tree does not show historical boundaries at the present time.

We are aware of the interest in historical maps, since most of a 
person's family history happened in the past. This enhancement is on our list.


Pierre Cloutier

At 08:00 PM 30 11 2006, you wrote:


Here's a question - When the map drills down to more detail in the US
(where 98% of my family research is based at present), does it only
provide current county lines within a state, or does it have the
ability to convert boundaries as you scroll back through time?  This
would be neat!  To see an example of this feature in action for the
state of Georgia, see
http://www.mygeorgiagenealogy.com/ga_maps/ga_cf.htm.




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Re: [LegacyUG] Foster children

[Mary Young]

Please, people, before you hit "Send" - take a second to strip out
unnecessary repeated text, Legacy footers etc.
cheers,
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RE: [LegacyUG] Foster children

[ronald ferguson]

Linda, now that I can understand and broadly agree with.

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From: "Linda Altman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
To: 
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Foster children
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 23:34:57 -0500

"The Rules" which can be found at http://www.ngsgenealogy.org,
http://www.apgen.org and http://www.bcgcertification.org These are the
standards that the professional genealogy community is required to adhere
to. The reason these "rules" or more correctly, standards are in place is 
to

prevent as much as possible people who invent genealogies and family
histories and charge a fee to others for that purpose. The goal is to
document all sources, and to use all available records to compile an
accurate portrayal of a family.

As to your personal genealogy - it does not have to follow any particular
format. It should contain accurate information and have facts that are not
common knowledge documented with the source of that information. Any
relationships that are not clearly defined should state how you arrived at
your conclusion, hopefully by the examination of many documents and having
that conclusion based on sound research and analysis. The information 
should

be in a format that is easy to understand and easy to read.

Stating that non blood relatives should not be included in a genealogy is
not part of any of the genealogical standards of the above listed groups.
All that those standards require is that these individuals are correctly
listed within the family unit. If you are submitting applications to a
lineage society or writing for one of the more scholarly genealogical
journals, then precisely how you report the descendants of the adoptive and
foster children becomes important. Stating that these individuals should 
not

be included because somewhere down the line the integrity of the genealogy
will become compromised due to omission of facts is not what quality
genealogy is about. There is no guarantee that the blood relative's
information will not be misquoted either.

Just my 2 cents, as First Vice President of the North Carolina Genealogical
Society.


Linda Altman
http://www.southerngenealogy.com
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Re: [LegacyUG] Help please!!

[ronald ferguson]

Art, Glad all is now OK. I would have mentioned Registry Mechanic which I 
also use under those circumstances but Sherry shouts at me when I do! For 
the benefit of others I would stress that Registry Mechanic is a register 
cleaner and *not* a register editor. That latter I would not recommend.


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From: "Art  Sedddon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
To: 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help please!!
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:53:02 -0800

Ron, this seems to have worked, together with running Registry Mechanic to 
clean up the registry.

Legacy now starts clean and much faster!

Thanks,
Art Seddon



Art, Have you considered uninstalling Easy CD and DVD Creator deleting all 
it's files and then trying Legacy? If all is well you could then reinstall 
Easy CD and DVD Creator. Although it's not unknown for a program to 
commandeer a Windows dll for its own use I fail to see why this should 
suddenly happen when both programs have been installed for a long time so 
I doubt if that is the case here.


Ron Ferguson



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From: "Art  Sedddon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
To: 
Subject: [LegacyUG]  Help please!!
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 21:23:43 -0800

Staring a couple of weeks ago, when I start Legacy I get a pop-up 
starting to install "Easy CD and DVD Creator", which has long been 
installed on my computer (as has Legacy), but every time I have to click 
cancel repeatedly to finely get Legacy to run.


How do I get it to stop this?

Art Seddon


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Re: [LegacyUG] Funeral Home information

[Chris Coward]

I think there are at least 4 logical places:
1) In the death notes
2) In  notes to a funeral event
3) In notes to a  burial event
4)  if you want to be really precise, create a custom  "funeral 
home/undetaker" event. You could then use the event address to record the 
full address of the home


If I had large number of people with funeral home info then I would probably 
take the 4th approach but I don't. I generally take use 1 or 2 depend on 
whether I have details of a funeral or not


Chris
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From: "Laurence E Stephenson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 1:40 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Funeral Home information



On 01/12/06, M. Brenzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:





Where do others record the name of the funeral home used?  I am 
interested

in different ideas.


In funeral notes

--
Regards,
Laurence E Stephenson

http://mc2.vicnet.net.au/home/lauries/web/index.html

I am Researching:-
Butcher..Stroud, Gloucestershire, 
England.>1856

Fortune..Berwickshire,
Scotland>1858
Garlick...Liverpool, Lancashire, 
England.>1863

Mee...Kilflyn, Limerick, Ireland
(Palatine)>1884
PayneWashingborough, Lincolnshire, England>1863
Ritchie...Bonhill, Dunbartonshire, 
Scotland.>1860

StephensonPickering, Yorkshire, England .>1856
Wittick.. ...(Convict) Walsall, Staffordshire, 
England>1822


Heartnet = Heart support =  http://heartnet.cci.ecu.edu.au/


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Re: [LegacyUG] Foster children

[RICHARD SCHULTHIES]

In my case, I use the rules I learned to write term
papers etc. in high school, and added to it from
discusssion like this. I have not bought the books
that are mentioned on and off, so I don't remember the
names. I also have a rule that I try to fill each
field in each person with something 'valid'. If I
don't have an exact date, I put an about, and put in
my notes, the facts I do have. I have 2 generic
sources. 1. 'IGI' aka FamilySearch. If it is a
partial, I mention what was there. 2 'My guesses'
which tells me I could find no better than someone
else's guess, so I KNOW how vuague the facts are. For
locations I have USA, Canada and Europe as well as
individual countries, with no more detail. these are
sourced under MY GUESSES. This way, if I find
something at a library, I can see at a glance that any
real date is better than my guess. If these are rigid
rules than I guess I have them. I don't worry about
the rules about italics, and the printed format. When
I get ready to print a book, I may regret this
atitude, but I have photocopies of front pages of all
source books, so IF needed, I can create them.
Rich


--- Dora Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Paul:
> 
> You've got so many rigid rules, do you happen to
> have a source for them?
> 
> I'm in the middle of writing off my e-mails to the
> genealogical 
> organizatoins to investigate this.
> 
> Surely people so rule bound know where they got
> these rules from, and if 
> you're so attached to these rules, you've got to be
> able to cite your 
> authority for them.
> 
> Noone has yet given me their sources or authority
> for these rules.   It 
> would shorten my evening.
> 
> Yours,
> Dora Smith
> Austin, TX
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