Re: [LegacyUG] How to get captions to stick

[June McDonald]

Oh Jim, I am so thankful that you have said that. You have made my day. In 
my reply to Anne I said that I had had no replies, which was not strictly 
true as I had one off-line. In apologising to Richard for omitting to 
acknowledge that I said to him: **The captions certainly seem to be sticking 
better lately so maybe Legacy has changed something - says she hopefully - 
it couldn't possibly be me!! It is
a long time (a couple of years) since I have worked on photos etc etc** etc 
unquote.


That is what I kept thinking as I have not been having the trouble that I 
used to have. Thank you, thank you, thank you for taking the trouble to say 
that. I thought I was going bonkers - or having a VERY senior moment.


June

- Original Message - 
From: "Jimquist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to get captions to stick


June,  It seems that a long time ago, it was found that a caption entered 
from an **individuals** picture gallery would be used by the program for 
THAT application only.. i.e. if you link a photo from an Individual's 
Picture Gallery, the next screen to come up is the "Display Picture" input 
area where you can enter the date & caption. That information will stick 
for that particular linkage/use, but if you wish to link the same photo to 
another event or another person, the caption and date will not be 
included.
OTOH, if you use Tools > Picture Center, you will be presented with a 
little different screen and you can enter your caption data and date 
information here, and it will stick to any event or any other person that 
you link the picture to.
I hope my poor ol' rememberer recalls this correctly..., but it's late and 
I can't get up the gumption to test it myself.

Jim

- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to get captions to stick


Anne, tku for you reply and I am sorry I have been so long in getting 
back to you. I didn't get any replies other than yours so everyone else 
is seems is not having any trouble! I think I am doing the things you 
mention but sometimes the captions stick and some times they don't. I am 
beginning to think it is because I don't always click the 'attach' button 
I can see that sometimes (when in the Picture Centre although you aren't 
talking abt doing it from there I realise. I used to click the 'attached 
pictures' tab and think that is enough.) I really don't quite know what I 
do wrong. Anyway I will go on trying this, that and the other until I 
know what I am doing wrong.


Sometimes I change the captions elsewhere and whether that is the problem 
or not I still am not sure. Sometimes I have put in quite a screed in the 
description box - and then the next time I look at the picture it isn't 
there :--((


I have only just got back to concentrating on photos - and family history 
come to that - as I have been in and out of hospital in the past year so 
am not in my stride yet. Tks agn anyway.


June



June,
I am not sure if I saw a reply to your message.
What do you mean getting captions to stick?
When I want to add a photo to an individual, I click on the Picture 
Galley

icon below their name,
Then I click on the picture icon on the side
After I have selected my picture to add, I then add the caption in the
caption box and any information that I want to in the description etc 
and

then click close (top right hand corner) and legacy saves the link and
any information added.
I hope that this helps you.
Let me know if you are still having difficulties.
Regards
Anne







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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources etc

[RICHARD SCHULTHIES]

The difference is in the work in advance and/or after.
An interview has a format to be followed to get
optimum info. A 'phone call' without the preparation
for the interview may get good stuff anyway, but is
more likely to go off on tangents, or get a lot of 'I
don't remember' statements. 

Rich in LA CA
--- Wayne Martell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ron:
> 
> What is the difference between an interview and a
> telephone call?
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RE: [LegacyUG] another question ... names

[familyjesse]

Rich,

Cricket's suggestion worked. I had to change the master name list! 

Thanks so much!
Carol

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SCHULTHIES
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 4:42 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] another question ... names

What you may need to also do, is go through the whole
list, and edit the names at the above screen, not on
the main screens. You may need to use the search and
change option to fix all places a 'wrong' name appears
at the same time, or the one you don't find will come
back to haunt you.
Rich in LA CA
--- familyjesse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Rich,
> 
> Thanks. I did this but it still didn't work.  It
> will only remain
> capitalized if I write the name with a space La Duke
> but the name is
> properly written LaDuke.  Am I doing it right?
> 
> Options> Customize > Data format >Letter case of
> given names and locations >
> Don't change what I enter
> 
> Options > Customize > Data format > Letter case of
> surnames >Don't change
> what I enter
> 
> I'd welcome any ideas!
> 
> Thanks,
> Carol
> 
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> On Behalf Of RICHARD
> SCHULTHIES
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> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] another question ... names
> 
> What I did, and will not change it back. Just
> remembered, it is in customize, Data format, don't
> change what I enter. 2 places.
> Rich in LA CA
> 
> --- familyjesse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Hello again,
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > I have various difficult to handle personal and
> > surnames:
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Mc, Mac and La surnames where the next letter is
> > capitalized without a space
> > between: Legacy will not let me do this: McVey,
> > LaDuke…
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Sephardic/Spanish surnames where the mother’s
> > surname is listed after the
> > father’s: Pardo Pereira, Roquet Viamonde, Mendes
> > Monsanto I have been filing
> > the mother’s (second) surname under “suffix” with
> a
> > comma between to set it
> > off. 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Von, Van, Von de, Van de, Ahn de, De la, prefixes
> > that are not actually part
> > of the surname but are actually part of the
> surname…
> >  I have, so far, put
> > these in “prefix” so that the name will go under
> the
> > main name. 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > German first names where there is a string of four
> > to six first names…. How
> > to differentiate between the many first names and
> > the actual name the person
> > went by?
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Then I have a great many Aliases and variations in
> > surname spellings… I have
> > finally changed the family view to show aliases so
> > that I will be less
> > likely to create duplicate records under different
> > names for the same
> > person! If anyone has any methods that work for
> > these, I’d love to know.
> > 
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> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Carol
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Re: [LegacyUG] another question ... names

[Dave Naylor]

On 25 Sep 2007  Alice McVearry wrote:

> In the Master Surname list I have Latona, LaTona and LaTONA.  No matter
> which one I select for dear old Biaggi, in Family View it will not show
> as LaTONA.  All three come up LATONA.

That's because LATONA is the first match Legacy finds in the Master 
Surname List.

You need to go to the Master Surname List and delete the entries you 
*don't* want.  If they are in use then highlight one you don't want, 
then at the bottom of the list click on "Combine the highlighted" 
then highlight the spelling you want for that surname and click the 
bottom button again.  Repeat this for the others.
 
Cheers, -- Dave N.
-- 
  David Naylor, Halton Hills, Ontario, Canada. 
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RE: [LegacyUG] another question ... names

[familyjesse]

Cricket,

Wow!! Thanks for speaking up!! It worked and I am so thrilled!

Thanks again,
Carol

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cricket
Hackmann
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:43 PM
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] another question ... names

Alice said:
> You are doing it right.  Even with those two settings at "Don't change
what
> I enter," along with "Show Surnames in Upper Case Letters" I can get
> McVearry to show as I wish it in Family View--McVEARRY--but I cannot find
a
> way to get DeSimone to show as DeSIMONE, or VanLandingham as
VanLANDINGHAM,
> without separating them as you have suggested.  I don't have any La names,
> but have experimented with Latona, changing it to LaTona and cannot get
> that to show as LaTONA.  There was an extensive discussion about this
once.
> Perhaps someone can find it in the Archives so all of us with this issue
> can review the discussion.  -- Alice

I am by no means a Legacy expert, and usually stay solidly in "Lurk
Mode," but I've recently tangled with this subject of customizing the
appearance of surnames.  I noticed that (when I typed in "O'Dell,"
what I got was "O'dell," -- and I wasn't happy with that.  Here's what
worked for me:

While on the Individual's Information screen, look at the "Surname"
blank -- there should be an arrow on the right hand side of it.
Clicking on this arrow brings up the "Master Surname List."  The
surname you've been working on will be highlighted, and you can edit
it by clicking on the Edit button at the right.  Make whatever changes
you like and then click "save."  When you "save," it changes all
occurances of that surname in your database, so if you don't want that
to happen, you'd want to click the "add" button instead of the "edit"
button.

I played around and used this method to change the case (upper or
lower) of any of the letters in a surname, added and subtracted
spaces, and anything else I could think of, and it all worked for me.
If I've misunderstood the problem, and this doesn't help, I apologize!

Heading back to "Lurkdom",
Cricket



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Re: [LegacyUG] How to get captions to stick

[Jimquist]

June,  It seems that a long time ago, it was found that a caption entered 
from an **individuals** picture gallery would be used by the program for 
THAT application only.. i.e. if you link a photo from an Individual's 
Picture Gallery, the next screen to come up is the "Display Picture" input 
area where you can enter the date & caption. That information will stick for 
that particular linkage/use, but if you wish to link the same photo to 
another event or another person, the caption and date will not be included.
OTOH, if you use Tools > Picture Center, you will be presented with a little 
different screen and you can enter your caption data and date information 
here, and it will stick to any event or any other person that you link the 
picture to.
I hope my poor ol' rememberer recalls this correctly..., but it's late and I 
can't get up the gumption to test it myself.

Jim

- Original Message - 
From: "June McDonald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to get captions to stick


Anne, tku for you reply and I am sorry I have been so long in getting back 
to you. I didn't get any replies other than yours so everyone else is 
seems is not having any trouble! I think I am doing the things you mention 
but sometimes the captions stick and some times they don't. I am beginning 
to think it is because I don't always click the 'attach' button I can see 
that sometimes (when in the Picture Centre although you aren't talking abt 
doing it from there I realise. I used to click the 'attached pictures' tab 
and think that is enough.) I really don't quite know what I do wrong. 
Anyway I will go on trying this, that and the other until I know what I am 
doing wrong.


Sometimes I change the captions elsewhere and whether that is the problem 
or not I still am not sure. Sometimes I have put in quite a screed in the 
description box - and then the next time I look at the picture it isn't 
there :--((


I have only just got back to concentrating on photos - and family history 
come to that - as I have been in and out of hospital in the past year so 
am not in my stride yet. Tks agn anyway.


June



June,
I am not sure if I saw a reply to your message.
What do you mean getting captions to stick?
When I want to add a photo to an individual, I click on the Picture 
Galley

icon below their name,
Then I click on the picture icon on the side
After I have selected my picture to add, I then add the caption in the
caption box and any information that I want to in the description etc and
then click close (top right hand corner) and legacy saves the link and
any information added.
I hope that this helps you.
Let me know if you are still having difficulties.
Regards
Anne





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Re: [LegacyUG]Death location [was Master Location List--use of brackets]?

[Alice McVearry]

Hi Pat,

IMHO it is of equal importance to indicate both the place of residence and
the place of death if they differ.  Death certificates are extremely
helpful in genealogical research, and in general a lot easier to acquire. 
One must file for the death certificate in the state where the person died.


In addition to the event entitled "Residence" which I make full use of, I
have created and event entitled "Usual Place of Residence" which I always
generate when the death place is distant from the normal home place.  The
dates of both events are identical.  Brief notes can be useful.  -- Alice


> [Original Message]
> From: Pat Hickin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location List--use of brackets?
>
> Also, I think it's usually more important to know where one was living at 
> the time of death, than the actual location of the death (though I think 
> both, if different, are important).  I had a cousin who lived in WV and
died 
> in NC because he was in the Duke U hospital.  W/o explanation someone
would 
> think the family had moved to NC.





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RE: [LegacyUG] Sources etc

[Janis Gilmore]

No difference. The interview was by telephone.

 

Janis

 

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via Gmail
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 5:12 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources etc

 

Suggestions on how I should enter a source that is:

1) Personal knowledge

2) From an interview of relative

 

Yes, I realize that a "purist" would probably say neither of those are true
sources - that it must be in writing.  But I consider them valid sources -
especially for information on living folks.  Yes, verbal and memory can
contain errors, but then so can written sources (though written probably
would have fewer errors, they can still creep in).

 

Thanks,

Bob

 

 

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From: Patricia WENZEL   

To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 

Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 9:02 AM

Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Sources etc

 

I've been using Legacy about a year and love the suggestion by people on
this group.  I also had not entered sources when I began entering data.  In
addition to entering the sources, I learned to number and file the source as
I entered it so that I could find it again.  
Patricia

June <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

I am now about to embark on what is going to be a time consuming task of
entering sources for the data for the hundreds of people I have in my data
base. 

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Re: [LegacyUG] Pictures -- sourcing, copying

[Pat Hickin]

The issue I was talking about is the ability or lack of same to apply 
source citations to pictures in Legacy.


If there's any capability for citations in Legacy Charting, I don't know 
about it.


--
Pat


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Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Pictures -- sourcing, copying



If you have Beta, and others don't, that group
discusses this stuff on the separate list running for
the fixing of the program. I don't have it and didn't
want it.
Rich in LA CA
--- Pat Hickin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Yes, I have photos in the Picture Gallery, and have
starred the ones I want
to show.

The charts I'm talking about the ones available in
the Legacy Charting Beta
program and that will be added to Legacy 7, if I
understand things
correctly.

--
Pat

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To: 
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Pictures -- sourcing,
copying


> Have you put the photo in the Picture Gallery?
What
> charts are we talking about? Some of the reports
do
> not allow photos. Most of the 'charts' in Legacy
are
> blank forms for printing and hand filling in.
Print
> outs with data in then are called reports (most of
the
> time).
> When they are added to the Gallery, and choosen as
the
> preferred one, and you have to then look to the
> reports, the photos should show up. Each report
style
> has a place to choose yes/no print things. But one
> photo must be there before the program gives you
> choices. Why? I don't know.
> Rich in LA CA
>
> --- Pat Hickin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Richard wrote>
>>
>> Add his photo to his
>> > individual page, then order the reports,
choosing
>> to
>> > display various photos.
>>
>> By reports, are you talking about charts??
>> This still doesn't explain how I'm to get an
image
>> from a source to display
>> on the family page, pedigree chart etc.  What am
I
>> missing??
>>
>> Richard wrote>
>>  Not sure what you are
>> > actually looking to do.
>>
>>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] An argument for splitting? (knowing I may get "lumps" for this)

[Pat Hickin]

How fantastic -- it had never occurred to me that the Shfit, Ctrl bit would 
work with Show List!  Thanks!!


--

Pat


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familyjesse wrote:

Mike,

I am learning so much from this list on sources. Can you tell me how to
select multiple sources and derive a list from them?


Simple! From the Master Source List, select your set of Master Sources. 
You use the Ctrl key to select multiple entries and the Shift key to 
select a contiguous group.


Ctrl key

Select an entry with the left mouse button. Then, holding the Ctrl key 
down, left click on a second entry and so on.


Shift key
=
Select an entry with the left mouse button. Then, holding the Shift key 
down, left click on a second entry. All entries between and including the 
first and second should be selected.


Now, you can click the Show List button. The list of people should contain 
all those using one or more of the selected entries.


--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg.



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Re: [LegacyUG] Remove source by tag #

[Pat Hickin]

I mean that I entered a master source for 67 individuals, but it was the 
wrong source for ca 40 of them.  And I needed to put the right source in for 
the forty.


I realized all I had to do was to tag was to tag the 67 individuals who had 
the source (easy to do thru Show List).


Then I deleted the master source (and all references to it).
Then I tagged all the individuals who needed a different source (easy as 
they were all descendants of the same guy) for advanced tagging/sourcing.


Then I cleared them of all tags.  At that point I reentered the source for 
the ones for whom the original source was legitimate -- and assigned the 
source via Advanced Sourcing.


Don't know that my explanation is clear -- but it worked.

--

Pat

- Original Message - 
From: "RICHARD SCHULTHIES" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Remove source by tag #



Are you meaning permanently to 1/2 and remove from
1/2, or keep 100% of source, but change tag, or
something else?
Rich in LA CA
--- Pat Hickin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



I know how to ADD sources by tag #, and I know how
to delete a source and
all references to it, but is there a way to keep the
source for some
individuals and remove it from some others (to whom
I've assigned a
particular tag #)?

--
Pat




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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location List--use of brackets?

[Pat Hickin]

I'm talking about one next to the location field that could be seen without 
checking source>source detils.  I liked the idea of putting the # sign 
immediately after the location to show that it's dubious.


To go off on a tangent--
Also, I think it's usually more important to know where one was living at 
the time of death, than the actual location of the death (though I think 
both, if different, are important).  I had a cousin who lived in WV and died 
in NC because he was in the Duke U hospital.  W/o explanation someone would 
think the family had moved to NC.


Pat

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Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 4:22 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location List--use of brackets?



Pat Hickin wrote
I wish there was a way to enter how certain we are of a particular fact, 
esp. locations & dates!!


That's what Surety Level is for!  I think the 5 levels of Surety that one 
can select cover all grades of certainty (or complete lack of it.)

--
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Re: [LegacyUG] Pictures -- sourcing, copying

[Pat Hickin]

Cathy wrote>

Being able to source pictures is on the requested enhancements list.


Fantastic!  I hope it gets into Leg7!

--

Pat


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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Pictures -- sourcing, copying



Hi Pat,

Occasionally I'd like to be able to note the source of a picture as well. 
Currently I mainly include my source in the picture filename. eg all the 
photos I've scanned from my aunt's photo albums begin "eva###" where the 
### is sequential numbers.


Legacy currently doesn't have the ability to source a picture. It simply 
wasn't thought of by the programmers when they began. Legacy 6 included 
sourcing for other bits of information that were being stored by the 
program but weren't able to be sourced - like the "never married"


During the last few years sourcing has been seen as more and more 
important. One of the reasons I swapped to Legacy years ago was the 
superior sourcing ability. The first genealogy computer program I used 
didn't have any provision for sources at all.


Being able to source pictures is on the requested enhancements list.

You could be very professional and use the IPTC embedded fields to record 
the data. This of course doesn't show in Legacy but does travel with the 
pic.


Cathy


At 06:13 AM 25/09/2007, you wrote:

Yes, I know how to do that.  I just don't know how to attach to the image 
a citation that will show up in the Master Source List -- and as everyone 
has pointed out, it's not possible to do that.  I'd like to know WHY!!


--

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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources etc

[Wayne Martell]

Ron:

What is the difference between an interview and a telephone call?

___
Wayne Martell
Victoria, BC, Canada


Bob,

I have two Master Sources:
1) Personal Knowledge
2) Interviews

I also have Master Sources for Correspondence (which includes emails letters 
etc) and another for telephone calls. In all I use the Detail section to add 
anything explain anything else.


Ron Ferguson
_

Suggestions on how I should enter a source that is:
1) Personal knowledge
2) From an interview of relative

Yes, I realize that a "purist" would probably say neither of those are true 
sources - that it must be in writing.  But I consider them valid sources - 
especially for information on living folks.  Yes, verbal and memory can 
contain errors, but then so can written sources (though written probably 
would have fewer errors, they can still creep in).


Thanks,
Bob 






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RE: [LegacyUG] Sources etc

[ads]

I recently did my first family member interview.  I was visiting in a city
400 miles from home and an aunt, the last remaining member of my late
father's family, invited me to lunch.  I took advantage of the opportunity
to ask some questions about the father I never knew (he was killed in
WWII).  She didn't have answers to all the questions on my list (yes, I
did think to make a list), but the questions triggerred other memories -
and "I wish you'd asked .  She's the one who
remembered everything."

So I'm a year late, but I do have some more information than before. 
Being out-of-town and getting the invitation on short notice, I didn't
have an opportunity to get a recorder for this meeting.  When/if I do it
again, I will have an audio recorder of some type, as I just don't write
fast enough.

Not everything she told me was exact, but she mentioned people, places and
events that I had no previous knowledge of - giving me more directions for
research.  She had some side stories that gave me better understanding of
just how hard things were for them during the Depression: "Your father and
I collected bottles along Watkins Street and sold them to have money to
buy Christmas presents."  And she told me of skeletons in the family
closet (duly recorded, but unlikely to cause harm as none of the
participants are still with us).

Our adult children has a slight interest in genealogy, which I'm sure was
helped by hearing their great-grandmother tell the stories she had heard
about her family travelling from Georgia to Alabama in a covered wagon (ca
1900).

John
I used to have a life - then I started doing genealogy...

> I think that personal interviews are one of the most overlooked, and very
> valuable, resources. Interview everyone that you can get your hands on.
> Drive vast distances. Climb tall mountains. Once they are gone, what they
> knew is also gone.
>
>
>
> I enter them as something like this:
>
> Smith, Doyne Elizabeth (Walker) [Mountain View, Howell
> County, Missouri; address for private use], informal conversations with
> her
> niece Janis Walker Gilmore, 1965 - 2007; Doyne Smith was the daughter of
> Earl and Grace (Campbell) Walker.
>
>
>
> That may not be entirely adequate as a source. I would be interested to
> hear
> what others do.
>
>
>
> In some cases, you may have made an appointment and conducted a more
> formal
> interview, which should be treated somewhat differently. A formal
> interview
> should be backed up with typed notes from the interview.
>
>
>
> In my case, my aunts were full of wonderful, amazing conversation, and I
> loved that conversation long before I was grown, and long before I
> developed
> an interest in genealogy (although those conversations may have influenced
> my interest). They told first-hand stories. Their memories were
> undoubtedly
> flawed, as are almost all recollections; I, nonetheless, regard them as
> being of enormous value. While they may be flawed, they are fabulous clues
> and color.
>
>
>
> Janis
>
>
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert57P
> via Gmail
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 5:12 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources etc
>
>
>
> Suggestions on how I should enter a source that is:
>
> 1) Personal knowledge
>
> 2) From an interview of relative
>
>
>
> Yes, I realize that a "purist" would probably say neither of those are
> true
> sources - that it must be in writing.  But I consider them valid sources -
> especially for information on living folks.  Yes, verbal and memory can
> contain errors, but then so can written sources (though written probably
> would have fewer errors, they can still creep in).
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> From: Patricia WENZEL 
>
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 9:02 AM
>
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Sources etc
>
>
>
> I've been using Legacy about a year and love the suggestion by people on
> this group.  I also had not entered sources when I began entering data.
> In
> addition to entering the sources, I learned to number and file the source
> as
> I entered it so that I could find it again.
> Patricia
>
> June <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I am now about to embark on what is going to be a time consuming task of
> entering sources for the data for the hundreds of people I have in my data
> base.
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] How to get captions to stick

[June McDonald]

Anne, tku for you reply and I am sorry I have been so long in getting back 
to you. I didn't get any replies other than yours so everyone else is seems 
is not having any trouble! I think I am doing the things you mention but 
sometimes the captions stick and some times they don't. I am beginning to 
think it is because I don't always click the 'attach' button I can see that 
sometimes (when in the Picture Centre although you aren't talking abt doing 
it from there I realise. I used to click the 'attached pictures' tab and 
think that is enough.) I really don't quite know what I do wrong. Anyway I 
will go on trying this, that and the other until I know what I am doing 
wrong.


Sometimes I change the captions elsewhere and whether that is the problem or 
not I still am not sure. Sometimes I have put in quite a screed in the 
description box - and then the next time I look at the picture it isn't 
there :--((


I have only just got back to concentrating on photos - and family history 
come to that - as I have been in and out of hospital in the past year so am 
not in my stride yet. Tks agn anyway.


June



June,
I am not sure if I saw a reply to your message.
What do you mean getting captions to stick?
When I want to add a photo to an individual, I click on the Picture Galley
icon below their name,
Then I click on the picture icon on the side
After I have selected my picture to add, I then add the caption in the
caption box and any information that I want to in the description etc and
then click close (top right hand corner) and legacy saves the link and
any information added.
I hope that this helps you.
Let me know if you are still having difficulties.
Regards
Anne






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Re: [LegacyUG] another question ... names

[Alice McVearry]

Hi Cricket,

I'm happy to hear you found a satisfactory solution to your O'Dell surname
dilemma.  Thank you for taking the time to write your comments.  

In the Master Surname list I have Latona, LaTona and LaTONA.  No matter
which one I select for dear old Biaggi, in Family View it will not show as
LaTONA.  All three come up LATONA.  Similarly, Van Landingham appears as
VAN LANDINGHAM and VanLandingham as VANLANDINGHAM; De Simone is DE SIMONE,
DeSimone is DESIMONE,  and DeSIMONE is DESIMONE.  It probably prints
correctly in reports, haven't got that far yet.  

It's only the appearance in the Family View with which I take issue.  When
I selected "Don't change what I type," I expected that to happen.  I'm
disappointed my two choices to not change what I write are overridden by
the selection to show surnames in caps. I was pleasantly surprised--and
apparently seriously spoiled--by the way Legacy correctly treats the Mc
names.  If the program can recognize and correctly display Mc why can it
not do the same with La and Van and De?  The remedy for this particular
problem, of course, is to deselect the "Show surnames in all caps," and
simply capitalize all the surnames as I enter them.  But the number of such
compound (?) names is so small in relation to the total number of
individuals in my file it is not worth it to deselect "Show surnames in all
caps."  Maybe in Legacy 7.   -- Alice

> Alice had said:
>I ...have experimented with Latona, changing it to LaTona and cannot get
> > that to show as LaTONA.   -- Alice

To which Cricket Hackmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in Lurkdom kindly replied:
> Clicking on this arrow brings up the "Master Surname List."  The
> surname you've been working on will be highlighted, and you can edit
> it by clicking on the Edit button at the right.  Make whatever changes
> you like and then click "save." 





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RE: [LegacyUG] Sources etc

[ronald ferguson]

Bob,

I have two Master Sources:
1) Personal Knowledge
2) Interviews

I also have Master Sources for Correspondence (which includes emails letters 
etc) and another for telephone calls. In all I use the Detail section to add 
anything explain anything else.

Ron Ferguson
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To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources etc
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:11:45 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Suggestions on how I should enter a source that is:
1) Personal knowledge
2) From an interview of relative

Yes, I realize that a "purist" would probably say neither of those are true 
sources - that it must be in writing.  But I consider them valid sources - 
especially for information on living folks.  Yes, verbal and memory can contain 
errors, but then so can written sources (though written probably would have 
fewer errors, they can still creep in).

Thanks,
Bob


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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources etc

[Cathy]

Hi Bob,

Of course it is a source. What can be disputed is the surety of the 
source. And that varies depending on the topic, how the person was 
involved and how long ago the incident was.


Some people tape and transcribe interviews and then have a written 
record of what was actually said. I must admit that the only time 
I've taped someone I haven't got around to the transcribing.


Elizabeth Shown Mills in "Evidence" shows this type of source under Interview.
Interview with name (address) by name, date. Transcript held in 1996 
by Mills (address). Mrs Dean is now deceased.


I have a Master Source: Family Member
In the Source Detail I put the who and how and date.

For someone with lots of information, I make them a Master Source.
(I'm a mix of a splitter and a lumper even if I can't always define why)

Many of my entries of the generation being born are by word of mouth 
though often followed by an email these days.


Hope that helps,
Cathy

At 08:11 AM 26/09/2007, you wrote:


Suggestions on how I should enter a source that is:
1) Personal knowledge
2) From an interview of relative

Yes, I realize that a "purist" would probably say neither of those 
are true sources - that it must be in writing.  But I consider them 
valid sources - especially for information on living folks.  Yes, 
verbal and memory can contain errors, but then so can written 
sources (though written probably would have fewer errors, they can 
still creep in).


Thanks,
Bob





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RE: [LegacyUG] Sources etc

[Janis Gilmore]

I think that personal interviews are one of the most overlooked, and very
valuable, resources. Interview everyone that you can get your hands on.
Drive vast distances. Climb tall mountains. Once they are gone, what they
knew is also gone.

 

I enter them as something like this: 

Smith, Doyne Elizabeth (Walker) [Mountain View, Howell
County, Missouri; address for private use], informal conversations with her
niece Janis Walker Gilmore, 1965 - 2007; Doyne Smith was the daughter of
Earl and Grace (Campbell) Walker.

 

That may not be entirely adequate as a source. I would be interested to hear
what others do.

 

In some cases, you may have made an appointment and conducted a more formal
interview, which should be treated somewhat differently. A formal interview
should be backed up with typed notes from the interview. 

 

In my case, my aunts were full of wonderful, amazing conversation, and I
loved that conversation long before I was grown, and long before I developed
an interest in genealogy (although those conversations may have influenced
my interest). They told first-hand stories. Their memories were undoubtedly
flawed, as are almost all recollections; I, nonetheless, regard them as
being of enormous value. While they may be flawed, they are fabulous clues
and color.

 

Janis

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert57P
via Gmail
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 5:12 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Sources etc

 

Suggestions on how I should enter a source that is:

1) Personal knowledge

2) From an interview of relative

 

Yes, I realize that a "purist" would probably say neither of those are true
sources - that it must be in writing.  But I consider them valid sources -
especially for information on living folks.  Yes, verbal and memory can
contain errors, but then so can written sources (though written probably
would have fewer errors, they can still creep in).

 

Thanks,

Bob

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Patricia WENZEL   

To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 

Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 9:02 AM

Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Sources etc

 

I've been using Legacy about a year and love the suggestion by people on
this group.  I also had not entered sources when I began entering data.  In
addition to entering the sources, I learned to number and file the source as
I entered it so that I could find it again.  
Patricia

June <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

I am now about to embark on what is going to be a time consuming task of
entering sources for the data for the hundreds of people I have in my data
base. 

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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location List - Surety

[agh3rd]

Sureties are- imho- really only for those who maintain the database and 
not for those who read our work. They are so subjective as to convey no 
information to anyone except the person who determines the surety  
level. Your "almost certain" may be my "iffy but possible".


All conclusions about any one citation or fact needs to be explained in 
detail ( the wordier the better!) so that those following us can follow 
our reasoning about our statements.


Andy

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Sent: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 3:57 pm
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location List - Surety



I don't think it is really the same thing. Currently, surety is attached
to a specific citation, not to the fact. One's surety about a given fact
depends on analyzing and  correlating all 5 (or whatever) citations
attached to it and coming to a conclusion based on all the evidence. I
really wish the surety was attached to the fact and not the citation.

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RE: [LegacyUG] Master Location List - Surety

[ronald ferguson]

Lisa,

I do understand what you are saying about the difference between the sureties 
of Sources and Facts but with respect do not accept that one can reliably 
assess the surety of a "Fact". It maybe because I was brought up in the 
sciences that I have this view since ones methods of research and the 
mathematical calculations may be perfect, but the best fit one makes from the 
results in order to derive a conclusion can be totally wrong. Which is why in 
science one only produces theories - even Newton and Einstein got some things 
wrong!

You are getting pretty close to my views on the application of genealogical 
standards except that I haven't said that they "are just about impossible to 
follow". I haven't a clue whether there are English standards or not and 
frankly I am really not bothered. 

To conclude, I do rank the surety of the source and where possible do verify 
the information but should Legacy ever include a surety for "Facts" I, for one, 
will not be using it due to a lack of confidence in it.

Ron Ferguson

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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Master Location List - Surety
> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:01:08 -0700
>
> I don't disagree that it's subjective, of course it is subjective. But I
> respectfully disagree that it's just about impossible to estimate the
> quality of the fact. That is exactly what we do as we choose to enter,
> (or not enter, or enter with qualifying notes) every single field in our
> databases. I can see all kinds of usefulness from assigning surety to
> facts (however subjective that process is). For example you could call
> up all facts that are below a certain level of surety. Doing the same
> report with citation surety would NOT be the same thing. What difference
> does it make that you have a citation with low surety attached (or than
> for purposes of tidying up your database) if another four with high
> surety are also attached? While you may or may not agree with the
> BCG/NGS published Genealogical Proof Standard, and their concepts of
> sources, information and evidence (and I realize you are England, I'm
> sure you have your own society and standards which I would think would
> be fairly similar), you surely aren't saying they are "just about
> impossible" to follow? Because they are all about estimating the quality
> of your conclusions/facts. Estimating the quality of your actual sources
> and citations is only the intermediary step in reaching an estimation of
> the quality of your facts. All this is intended as friendly discussion,
> of course :-)
>
> I can envision all sorts of ways Legacy could produce better reports
> with these capabilities. IIRC, Genbox has something similar, although I
> haven't checked it out lately, it having other problems of its own (as
> all programs do). You could include/exclude facts and relationships
> based on surety.
>
> Lisa
>
> On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 22:36:37 +0100, "ronald ferguson" 
> said:
>>
>> Lisa,
>>
>> I very much doubt if one can ever estimate the quality of a "Fact".
>> Neither that assessment nor the assessment of the quality of a Source are
>> mathematically sound but are in reality subjective. I'm afraid I will
>> have to use British terms but for example consider an uncle (not mine!).
>>
>> Censuses show he was a company director.
>> Companies House show he was a director of three companies and was the
>> owner of two.
>> The death certificate showed he died of a heart attack aged 67, the death
>> being reported by his wife.
>> Probate of his will gave an estate valued at £1.5 million which in his
>> will was split between his wife and family. A further £1.0 million had
>> already been settled in a trust for his family to avoid inheritance tax.
>> The accounts also show his personal tax to be up to date after the
>> settlement of current liabilities.
>>
>> Now all that looks copperplated doesn't it?
>>
>> Not so! He had a few more million in Swiss bank accounts which he had
>> aquired through his own company "off the books" mainly through currency
>> and other illegal transactions. So in reality he was a crook!
>>
>> In the UK, and no doubt elsewhere, in the 19c one could not even
>> guarantee that the parents of a child as registered were the actual birth
>> parents ( and I do mean both). I make no comment about the 20c!
>>
>> It seems to me that it is more realistic to estimate the quality of the
>> Source rather than the quality of the Fact the latter being just about
>> impossible in many cases.
>>
>> Ron Ferguson

Re: [LegacyUG] An argument for splitting? (knowing I may get "lumps" for this)

[agh3rd]

In reality the only time "correctness" comes into the source questions 
is if one is doing a work for a particular publication that has a 
requirement that sources must be in a certain format. Other than that 
it is pretty much "roll your own" with respect to how they are entered 
and formatted. There is absolutely no universal standard to which one 
must adhere.


Andy
--
The Verminator


-Original Message-
From: Ralf X <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



I'm hoping I have included enough information that my
kids/future grandkids will be able to track down any
required sources.

I guess in comparison, you have one neat Master Source
with all the information contained and easy to find.
While I have dozens (so far) Master Sources by each
head of household. I used to worry whether I was doing
it properly, but I've recently read messages by people
using similar methods.

Thanks!

Ralf


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RE: [LegacyUG] another question ... names

[Cathy]

Using Search won't help on Surnames. By all means use Search and 
Replace if you have these names also in the Given Names.


Once a surname is entered, you need to do the edits in the Master 
Surname list.


Cathy

At 07:41 AM 26/09/2007, you wrote:


What you may need to also do, is go through the whole
list, and edit the names at the above screen, not on
the main screens. You may need to use the search and
change option to fix all places a 'wrong' name appears
at the same time, or the one you don't find will come
back to haunt you.
Rich in LA CA
--- familyjesse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Rich,
>
> Thanks. I did this but it still didn't work.  It
> will only remain
> capitalized if I write the name with a space La Duke
> but the name is
> properly written LaDuke.  Am I doing it right?
>
> Options> Customize > Data format >Letter case of
> given names and locations >
> Don't change what I enter
>
> Options > Customize > Data format > Letter case of
> surnames >Don't change
> what I enter
>
> I'd welcome any ideas!
>
> Thanks,
> Carol





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Re: [LegacyUG] Sources etc

[Robert57P via Gmail]

Suggestions on how I should enter a source that is:
1) Personal knowledge
2) From an interview of relative

Yes, I realize that a "purist" would probably say neither of those are true 
sources - that it must be in writing.  But I consider them valid sources - 
especially for information on living folks.  Yes, verbal and memory can contain 
errors, but then so can written sources (though written probably would have 
fewer errors, they can still creep in).

Thanks,
Bob


  - Original Message - 
  From: Patricia WENZEL 
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 9:02 AM
  Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Sources etc


  I've been using Legacy about a year and love the suggestion by people on this 
group.  I also had not entered sources when I began entering data.  In addition 
to entering the sources, I learned to number and file the source as I entered 
it so that I could find it again.  
  Patricia

  June <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I am now about to embark on what is going to be a time consuming task of 
entering sources for the data for the hundreds of people I have in my data 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Crashing!

[RICHARD SCHULTHIES]

Hooray. Glad it worked.
Rich in LA CA
--- Kirstin Martinez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Actually, I tried to delete Legacy & the log file
> was missing. So I 
> reinstall & the whole problem appears to have been
> fixed.
> 
> Thanks guys!
> 
> -- 
> Kirstin
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Robert Carneal USA wrote:
> > Thank you for catching that. You are right. Just
> proves I need more 
> > sleep.
> >
> > Robert
> >
> > Gary Templeman wrote:
> >> I think you mean uninstall Legacy, not delete.
> Very few Windows 
> >> programs should be removed by deleting their
> program folder because 
> >> that can leave in place other files and registry
> entries which may be 
> >> corrupted. It is a semantic issue with
> importance, because someone 
> >> who takes the advice literally and deletes Legacy
> MAY also delete 
> >> their family files.
> >>
> >> Gary Templeman
> >>
> >> - Original Message - From: "Robert
> Carneal USA" 
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: 
> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 7:20 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Crashing!
> >>
> >>
> >>> Shouldn't be necessary, but sometimes it works.
> Have you tried 
> >>> deleting Legacy? You won't delete the family
> files, just Legacy. 
> >>> Then reinstall Legacy. It -should- work then.
> >>>
> >>> Robert
> >>>
> >>> Kirstin Martinez wrote:
>  Ever since the last update (a long time ago),
> Legacy crashes when I 
>  attempt to back up the database. I click on an
> old backup & try to 
>  replace it. That's when Legacy crashes. It's
> not every time. the 
>  Error message says Error reading individual.
> Error 91: Object 
>  variable or With block variable not set. Would
> you like to try it 
>  again?
> 
>  Of course Yes & No don't work & I have to
> choose Quit. Then Legacy 
>  closes. I have done all the things mentioned
> under Error 91 in the 
>  help files. Still crashing. Any ideas?
> >
> >
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RE: [LegacyUG] another question ... names

[RICHARD SCHULTHIES]

What you may need to also do, is go through the whole
list, and edit the names at the above screen, not on
the main screens. You may need to use the search and
change option to fix all places a 'wrong' name appears
at the same time, or the one you don't find will come
back to haunt you.
Rich in LA CA
--- familyjesse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Rich,
> 
> Thanks. I did this but it still didn't work.  It
> will only remain
> capitalized if I write the name with a space La Duke
> but the name is
> properly written LaDuke.  Am I doing it right?
> 
> Options> Customize > Data format >Letter case of
> given names and locations >
> Don't change what I enter
> 
> Options > Customize > Data format > Letter case of
> surnames >Don't change
> what I enter
> 
> I'd welcome any ideas!
> 
> Thanks,
> Carol
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of RICHARD
> SCHULTHIES
> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 6:53 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] another question ... names
> 
> What I did, and will not change it back. Just
> remembered, it is in customize, Data format, don't
> change what I enter. 2 places.
> Rich in LA CA
> 
> --- familyjesse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Hello again,
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > I have various difficult to handle personal and
> > surnames:
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Mc, Mac and La surnames where the next letter is
> > capitalized without a space
> > between: Legacy will not let me do this: McVey,
> > LaDuke…
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Sephardic/Spanish surnames where the mother’s
> > surname is listed after the
> > father’s: Pardo Pereira, Roquet Viamonde, Mendes
> > Monsanto I have been filing
> > the mother’s (second) surname under “suffix” with
> a
> > comma between to set it
> > off. 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Von, Van, Von de, Van de, Ahn de, De la, prefixes
> > that are not actually part
> > of the surname but are actually part of the
> surname…
> >  I have, so far, put
> > these in “prefix” so that the name will go under
> the
> > main name. 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > German first names where there is a string of four
> > to six first names…. How
> > to differentiate between the many first names and
> > the actual name the person
> > went by?
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Then I have a great many Aliases and variations in
> > surname spellings… I have
> > finally changed the family view to show aliases so
> > that I will be less
> > likely to create duplicate records under different
> > names for the same
> > person! If anyone has any methods that work for
> > these, I’d love to know.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Carol
> > 
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> > 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Crashing!

[Kirstin Martinez]

Actually, I tried to delete Legacy & the log file was missing. So I 
reinstall & the whole problem appears to have been fixed.


Thanks guys!

--
Kirstin
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Robert Carneal USA wrote:
Thank you for catching that. You are right. Just proves I need more 
sleep.


Robert

Gary Templeman wrote:
I think you mean uninstall Legacy, not delete. Very few Windows 
programs should be removed by deleting their program folder because 
that can leave in place other files and registry entries which may be 
corrupted. It is a semantic issue with importance, because someone 
who takes the advice literally and deletes Legacy MAY also delete 
their family files.


Gary Templeman

- Original Message - From: "Robert Carneal USA" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Crashing!


Shouldn't be necessary, but sometimes it works. Have you tried 
deleting Legacy? You won't delete the family files, just Legacy. 
Then reinstall Legacy. It -should- work then.


Robert

Kirstin Martinez wrote:
Ever since the last update (a long time ago), Legacy crashes when I 
attempt to back up the database. I click on an old backup & try to 
replace it. That's when Legacy crashes. It's not every time. the 
Error message says Error reading individual. Error 91: Object 
variable or With block variable not set. Would you like to try it 
again?


Of course Yes & No don't work & I have to choose Quit. Then Legacy 
closes. I have done all the things mentioned under Error 91 in the 
help files. Still crashing. Any ideas?








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RE: [LegacyUG] Master Location List - Surety

[Janis Gilmore]

As Elizabeth Shown Mills' new book tells s, there are no "facts." There is
only evidence - usually conflicting evidence, and it is your job as a family
historian or genealogist to evaluate the evidence.

That's the fun of it. That's what makes you an academic, an historian,
instead of a name-and-date-collector. 

After evaluation, you must write your argument. No one loves doing this, but
I often cite Dorothy Parker, of Algonquin Round Table fame, who said, "I
hate writing, but I love having written."

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RE: [LegacyUG] Master Location List - Surety

[lisagen]

I don't disagree that it's subjective, of course it is subjective. But I
respectfully disagree that it's just about impossible to estimate the
quality of the fact. That is exactly what we do as we choose to enter,
(or not enter, or enter with qualifying notes) every single field in our
databases. I can see all kinds of usefulness from assigning surety to
facts (however subjective that process is). For example you could call
up all facts that are below a certain level of surety. Doing the same
report with citation surety would NOT be the same thing. What difference
does it make that you have a citation with low surety attached (or than
for purposes of tidying up your database) if another four with high
surety are also attached? While you may or may not agree with the
BCG/NGS published Genealogical Proof Standard, and their concepts of
sources, information and evidence (and I realize you are England, I'm
sure you have your own society and standards which I would think would
be fairly similar), you surely aren't saying they are "just about
impossible" to follow? Because they are all about estimating the quality
of your conclusions/facts. Estimating the quality of your actual sources
and citations is only the intermediary step in reaching an estimation of
the quality of your facts. All this is intended as friendly discussion,
of course :-)

I can envision all sorts of ways Legacy could produce better reports
with these capabilities.  IIRC, Genbox has something similar, although I
haven't checked it out lately, it having other problems of its own (as
all programs do). You could include/exclude facts and relationships
based on surety.

Lisa

On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 22:36:37 +0100, "ronald ferguson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
> 
> Lisa,
> 
> I very much doubt if one can ever estimate the quality of a "Fact".
> Neither that assessment nor the assessment of the quality of a Source are
> mathematically sound but are in reality subjective. I'm afraid I will
> have to use British terms but for example consider an uncle (not mine!).
> 
> Censuses show he was a company director.
> Companies House show he was a director of three companies and was the
> owner of two.
> The death certificate showed he died of a heart attack aged 67, the death
> being reported by his wife.
> Probate of his will gave an estate valued at £1.5 million which in his
> will was split between his wife and family. A further £1.0 million had
> already been settled in a trust for his family to avoid inheritance tax.
> The accounts also show his personal tax to be up to date after the
> settlement of current liabilities.
> 
> Now all that looks copperplated doesn't it?
> 
> Not so! He had a few more million in Swiss bank accounts which he had
> aquired through his own company "off the books" mainly through currency
> and other illegal transactions. So in reality he was a crook!
> 
> In the UK, and no doubt elsewhere, in the 19c one could not even
> guarantee that the parents of a child as registered were the actual birth
> parents ( and I do mean both). I make no comment about the 20c!
> 
> It seems to me that it is more realistic to estimate the quality of the
> Source rather than the quality of the Fact the latter being just about
> impossible in many cases.
> 
> Ron Ferguson

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Re: [LegacyUG] another question ... names

[Cricket Hackmann]

Alice said:
> You are doing it right.  Even with those two settings at "Don't change what
> I enter," along with "Show Surnames in Upper Case Letters" I can get
> McVearry to show as I wish it in Family View--McVEARRY--but I cannot find a
> way to get DeSimone to show as DeSIMONE, or VanLandingham as VanLANDINGHAM,
> without separating them as you have suggested.  I don't have any La names,
> but have experimented with Latona, changing it to LaTona and cannot get
> that to show as LaTONA.  There was an extensive discussion about this once.
> Perhaps someone can find it in the Archives so all of us with this issue
> can review the discussion.  -- Alice

I am by no means a Legacy expert, and usually stay solidly in "Lurk
Mode," but I've recently tangled with this subject of customizing the
appearance of surnames.  I noticed that (when I typed in "O'Dell,"
what I got was "O'dell," -- and I wasn't happy with that.  Here's what
worked for me:

While on the Individual's Information screen, look at the "Surname"
blank -- there should be an arrow on the right hand side of it.
Clicking on this arrow brings up the "Master Surname List."  The
surname you've been working on will be highlighted, and you can edit
it by clicking on the Edit button at the right.  Make whatever changes
you like and then click "save."  When you "save," it changes all
occurances of that surname in your database, so if you don't want that
to happen, you'd want to click the "add" button instead of the "edit"
button.

I played around and used this method to change the case (upper or
lower) of any of the letters in a surname, added and subtracted
spaces, and anything else I could think of, and it all worked for me.
If I've misunderstood the problem, and this doesn't help, I apologize!

Heading back to "Lurkdom",
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RE: [LegacyUG] Master Location List - Surety

[ronald ferguson]

Lisa,

I very much doubt if one can ever estimate the quality of a "Fact". Neither 
that assessment nor the assessment of the quality of a Source are 
mathematically sound but are in reality subjective. I'm afraid I will have to 
use British terms but for example consider an uncle (not mine!).

Censuses show he was a company director.
Companies House show he was a director of three companies and was the owner of 
two.
The death certificate showed he died of a heart attack aged 67, the death being 
reported by his wife.
Probate of his will gave an estate valued at £1.5 million which in his will was 
split between his wife and family. A further £1.0 million had already been 
settled in a trust for his family to avoid inheritance tax.
The accounts also show his personal tax to be up to date after the settlement 
of current liabilities.

Now all that looks copperplated doesn't it?

Not so! He had a few more million in Swiss bank accounts which he had aquired 
through his own company "off the books" mainly through currency and other 
illegal transactions. So in reality he was a crook!

In the UK, and no doubt elsewhere, in the 19c one could not even guarantee that 
the parents of a child as registered were the actual birth parents ( and I do 
mean both). I make no comment about the 20c!

It seems to me that it is more realistic to estimate the quality of the Source 
rather than the quality of the Fact the latter being just about impossible in 
many cases.

Ron Ferguson

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> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location List - Surety
> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:57:09 -0700
>
> I don't think it is really the same thing. Currently, surety is attached
> to a specific citation, not to the fact. One's surety about a given fact
> depends on analyzing and correlating all 5 (or whatever) citations
> attached to it and coming to a conclusion based on all the evidence. I
> really wish the surety was attached to the fact and not the citation.
>
> Lisa

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Re: [LegacyUG] another question ... names

[Toni Allen]

Hi Carol
This happened to me in the beginning and I learned to change the
name the way I wanted it to be in the MASTER SURNAME list.

When I would enter the name it would find it in the Master
Surname listing and change what I had entered ...

Sounds like La Duke wasn't in the master list, so it entered what
you typed.  The master list may have Laduke which should be
changed
Toni



Thanks. I did this but it still didn't work.  It will only remain
capitalized if I write the name with a space La Duke but the name is
properly written LaDuke.  Am I doing it right?

Options> Customize > Data format >Letter case of given names and locations >
Don't change what I enter

Options > Customize > Data format > Letter case of surnames >Don't change
what I enter

I'd welcome any ideas!

Thanks,
Carol





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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location List - Surety

[lisagen]

I don't think it is really the same thing. Currently, surety is attached
to a specific citation, not to the fact. One's surety about a given fact
depends on analyzing and  correlating all 5 (or whatever) citations
attached to it and coming to a conclusion based on all the evidence. I
really wish the surety was attached to the fact and not the citation. 

Lisa

On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:22:49 +0100, "Jenny M Benson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Pat Hickin wrote
> >I wish there was a way to enter how certain we are of a particular 
> >fact, esp. locations & dates!!
> 
> That's what Surety Level is for!  I think the 5 levels of Surety that 
> one can select cover all grades of certainty (or complete lack of it.)
> -- 
> Jenny M Benson

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RE: [LegacyUG] An argument for splitting? (knowing I may get "lumps" for this)

[Ralf X]

Hi Carol:

Thanks for your message! Before it, I wasn't totally
clear on what method I was following (I don't always
understand all the comparisons I read on here!). But
after looking at our two examples I am definitely a
splitter.

A quick example of my census method (I love using real
examples - my last posting actually connected me with
two probable LUG users/relations on this list!)


Source Name: Census:  ENG 1841 - BOTHERIDGE, John
(c1794-1878) head of household

"1841 England Census" database, _Ancestry.com_
(www.ancestry.com : accessed 03 September 2007), entry
for John Botheridge (age 45), Sheep St. Chipping
Campden, Gloucester; citing PRO HO107, folio 35, p.p.
22-23; Shipston On Stour registration district,
Campden subdistrict, ED 2, line 25.

Text of Source: a quick transcription of the census
record (nothing too beautiful)
Repository: Ancestry.com (including URL, contact info,
information on Ancestry.com)
Pictures: a copy of the census image
SOURCE DETAIL: none - I include the info ("entry for
John Botheridge (age 45), Sheep St. Chipping Campden,
Gloucester; citing PRO HO107, folio 35, p.p. 22-23;
Shipston On Stour registration district, Campden
subdistrict, ED 2, line 25.") in the Publication
Facts. Not sure why I do it this way, but for
consistency too late to switch now.


I'm hoping I have included enough information that my
kids/future grandkids will be able to track down any
required sources.

I guess in comparison, you have one neat Master Source
with all the information contained and easy to find.
While I have dozens (so far) Master Sources by each
head of household. I used to worry whether I was doing
it properly, but I've recently read messages by people
using similar methods.

Thanks! 

Ralf


--- familyjesse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> In my lumped sources put a ton of information under
> "text of source" in my
> citations... enough so that a future researcher in
> my family can locate and
> duplicate my searches. Here is one example of source
> tabs and how I fill
> them out in a source:
> 
> 1. Source Information: 
> 1841 UK CENSUS - Llangyfelach (Llwynyfwalch)
> Glamorgan, Wales
> Richard Owen Bennett, coordinator/editor //
> Glamorgan Family History Society
> (Added Author)
> 1841 census, Glamorgan, P.R.O. piece nos. H.O.
> 107/1419, 1424, 1426; Swansea
> Registration District
> Format  Books/Monographs  
> Language  English  
> Publication  [Wales] : Glamorgan Family History
> Society, 1997  
> Physical  6 microfiches.
> 
> 2. Detail Information:
> NotesIncludes Llangyfelach Parish,
> Llandeilo-Talybont Parish, St.
> John-juxta-Swansea Parish, Swansea Parish. 
>  Subjects
> Wales, Glamorgan, Swansea - Census - 1841  
> Wales, Glamorgan, Llandeilo Tal-y-bont - Census -
> 1841  
> Wales, Glamorgan, Llangyfelach - Census - 1841  
> Wales, Glamorgan, St. John's - Census - 1841   
> 
>  Title 1841 census, Glamorgan, P.R.O. piece nos.
> H.O. 107/1419, 1424, 1426;
> Swansea Registration District  Authors Bennett,
> Richard Owen Beynon
> (Added Author)  
> Glamorgan Family History Society  (Added Author)  
>  Note Location  Film
> 1841 census index (3 fiches). FHL BRITISH Fiche
> 6400288   
> 1841 census transcript (3 fiches). FHL BRITISH Fiche
> 6400289  
> 
> 3. Comments:
> NOTE: Three actual physical sources via Latter Day
> Saints sources: two Fiche
> and one microfilm. 
> 6400288, 6400289 [fiche] 0464328 [microfilm]
> 
> CALN #0464328 Arranged by districts (Hamlets)
> Landore, Morriston,
> Llangyfelach, Llansamlet, etcl., Covers much more
> than just Llangyfelach as
> shown below:
> 
> Census returns for Caerau, 1841-1891 Great Britain.
> Census Office 
> Census returns for Michaelston-le-Pit, 1841-1891
> Great Britain. Census
> Office  
> Census returns for Llanedarn, 1841-1891 Great
> Britain. Census Office  
> Census returns for Llanishen, 1841-1891 Great
> Britain. Census Office  
> Census returns for Llanguick, 1841-1891 Great
> Britain. Census Office  
> Census returns for Rhyndwyglydach, 1841-1891 Great
> Britain. Census Office  
> Census returns for Mawr, 1841-1891 Great Britain.
> Census Office  
> Census returns for Penderry, 1841-1891 Great
> Britain. Census Office  
> Census returns for Clase, 1841-1891 Great Britain.
> Census Office  
> Census returns for Llangyfelach, 1841-1891 Great
> Britain. Census Office  
> Census returns for Higher Llansamlet, 1841-1891
> Great Britain. Census Office
> 
> Census returns for Lower Llansamlet, 1841-1891 Great
> Britain. Census Office
> 
> Census returns for Lisvane, 1841-1891 Great Britain.
> Census Office  
> Census returns for Roath, 1841-1891 Great Britain.
> Census Office  
> Census returns for Canton, 1841-1891 Great Britain.
> Census Office  
> Census returns for Llandaff, 1841-1891 Great
> Britain. Census Office  
> Census returns of England and Wales, 1841 Great
> Britain. Census Office
> 
> 4. Repository:
> Call number: 6400288, 6400289 [fiche] 0464328
> [microfilm]
> 
> 

RE: [LegacyUG] another question ... names

[ronald ferguson]

Carol,

Thank goodness my family is pure British ( I think :-) ).

Just one point on prefixes. Like Cathy I do not use titles in them at birth, as 
so far my family contains no peers of the realm who inherit titles at birth. 
Nor for the same reason do I use suffixes. I know others who, like you, use the 
suffix when there is a space in the surname

However when someone gains a prefix or suffix I then add it as and AKA. This 
being, in my opinion, more suitable, particuarly since some eg Councillor, MP, 
JP (members of Parliament and Justices of the Peace) are transient.

Ron Ferguson
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] another question ... names
> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:11:56 -0700
>
> Cathy,
>
> Yes, I have found that and changed a few things. Sometimes I change
> something to see what it will do but end up changing it back.
>
> The quoted name is a great method and I like that it can be specified in
> reports. I will change to doing the names that way!
>
> I have ended up using suffixes for things like "Van Den" because it keeps
> the latter part of the surname together and I have families whose prefix
> changes and then I can't find them in the index. I have tried to follow the
> same conventions I see other researchers using from the same countries or
> locations using.
>
> Yes, I have families where I put the titles: Reverend, Doctor, Deacon... in
> the prefix. Many times these are occupations but in some cases, especially
> older records, they were like part of the name. In the case of a Catholic
> priest or monk, it is good to have it in the name... it saves wasting a lot
> of time searching for wives and children!! I have not seen Legacy show a
> way to source these titles. That would be very nice.
>
> As far as aka's I have to keep them in front of me or I lose track of them
> and miss finding people in the records I am searching. Because of this I
> have developed an elaborate system of tracking them. I am open to any
> suggestions to improve this system.
>
..>
>> Carol
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cathy
> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:31 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] another question ... names
>
> Hi Carol,
>
> I trust you've found the settings in Options>
> Customise to solve many of your problems.
>
> I can't really comment on how to handle different
> naming conventions. European users may be able to
> give you advantages and disadvantages of using
> the prefixes and suffixes as you are. I suspect
> the suffix works but I think the prefix is to the
> whole name not the surname and meant for things
> like Dr, Professor, Reverend - which I don't
> enter as the person when born had none of these titles.
>
> To show the name the person actually went by, use the "quoted name"
> eg my mother is entered as
> Edith Beryl Joyce "Joyce"
> In the report options on the Format tab, you can
> choose to use Quoted Name in narrative - it is
> then picked up wherever the "first name" would
> otherwise be used. You can also choose to remove
> the quoted name when the full name is printed.
>
> Aliases belong in the AKA.
> Surname variations are handled differently by
> different people. Some put them all in the AKAs.
> Some just note them in the source and/or notes.
>
> There remain problems with the Legacy options for
> names as Legacy becomes more and more
> international as various language versions are
> released. This is increasing the pressure to add more options.
>
> Cathy
>
> At 08:06 AM 25/09/2007, you wrote:
>
>>Hello again,
>>
>>I have various difficult to handle personal and surnames:
>>
>>Mc, Mac and La surnames where the next letter is
>>capitalized without a space between: Legacy will
>>not let me do this: McVey, LaDuke…
>>
>>Sephardic/Spanish surnames where the mother’s
>>surname is listed after the father’s: Pardo
>>Pereira, Roquet Viamonde, Mendes Monsanto I have
>>been filing the mother’s (second) surname under
>>“suffix” with a comma between to set it off.
>>
>>Von, Van, Von de, Van de, Ahn de, De la,
>>prefixes that are not actually part of the
>>surname but are actually part of the surname… I
>>have, so far, put these in “prefix” so that the
>>name will go under the main name.
>>
>>German first names where there is a string of
>>four to six first names…. How to differentiate
>>between the many first names and the actual name the person went by?
>>
>>Then I have a great many Aliases and varia

RE: [LegacyUG] another question ... names

[Alice McVearry]

Carol,
You are doing it right.  Even with those two settings at "Don't change what
I enter," along with "Show Surnames in Upper Case Letters" I can get
McVearry to show as I wish it in Family View--McVEARRY--but I cannot find a
way to get DeSimone to show as DeSIMONE, or VanLandingham as VanLANDINGHAM,
without separating them as you have suggested.  I don't have any La names,
but have experimented with Latona, changing it to LaTona and cannot get
that to show as LaTONA.  There was an extensive discussion about this once.
Perhaps someone can find it in the Archives so all of us with this issue
can review the discussion.  -- Alice


> [Original Message]
> From: familyjesse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Date: 9/25/2007 12:16:04 PM
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] another question ... names
>
> Rich,
>
> Thanks. I did this but it still didn't work.  It will only remain
> capitalized if I write the name with a space La Duke but the name is
> properly written LaDuke.  Am I doing it right?
>
> Options> Customize > Data format >Letter case of given names and
locations >
> Don't change what I enter
>
> Options > Customize > Data format > Letter case of surnames >Don't change
> what I enter
>
> I'd welcome any ideas!





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RE: [LegacyUG] An argument for splitting? (knowing I may get "lumps" for this)

[familyjesse]

In my lumped sources put a ton of information under "text of source" in my
citations... enough so that a future researcher in my family can locate and
duplicate my searches. Here is one example of source tabs and how I fill
them out in a source:

1. Source Information: 
1841 UK CENSUS - Llangyfelach (Llwynyfwalch) Glamorgan, Wales
Richard Owen Bennett, coordinator/editor // Glamorgan Family History Society
(Added Author)
1841 census, Glamorgan, P.R.O. piece nos. H.O. 107/1419, 1424, 1426; Swansea
Registration District
Format  Books/Monographs  
Language  English  
Publication  [Wales] : Glamorgan Family History Society, 1997  
Physical  6 microfiches.

2. Detail Information:
NotesIncludes Llangyfelach Parish, Llandeilo-Talybont Parish, St.
John-juxta-Swansea Parish, Swansea Parish. 
 Subjects
Wales, Glamorgan, Swansea - Census - 1841  
Wales, Glamorgan, Llandeilo Tal-y-bont - Census - 1841  
Wales, Glamorgan, Llangyfelach - Census - 1841  
Wales, Glamorgan, St. John's - Census - 1841   

 Title 1841 census, Glamorgan, P.R.O. piece nos. H.O. 107/1419, 1424, 1426;
Swansea Registration District  Authors Bennett, Richard Owen Beynon
(Added Author)  
Glamorgan Family History Society  (Added Author)  
 Note Location  Film
1841 census index (3 fiches). FHL BRITISH Fiche 6400288   
1841 census transcript (3 fiches). FHL BRITISH Fiche 6400289  

3. Comments:
NOTE: Three actual physical sources via Latter Day Saints sources: two Fiche
and one microfilm. 
6400288, 6400289 [fiche] 0464328 [microfilm]

CALN #0464328 Arranged by districts (Hamlets) Landore, Morriston,
Llangyfelach, Llansamlet, etcl., Covers much more than just Llangyfelach as
shown below:

Census returns for Caerau, 1841-1891 Great Britain. Census Office 
Census returns for Michaelston-le-Pit, 1841-1891 Great Britain. Census
Office  
Census returns for Llanedarn, 1841-1891 Great Britain. Census Office  
Census returns for Llanishen, 1841-1891 Great Britain. Census Office  
Census returns for Llanguick, 1841-1891 Great Britain. Census Office  
Census returns for Rhyndwyglydach, 1841-1891 Great Britain. Census Office  
Census returns for Mawr, 1841-1891 Great Britain. Census Office  
Census returns for Penderry, 1841-1891 Great Britain. Census Office  
Census returns for Clase, 1841-1891 Great Britain. Census Office  
Census returns for Llangyfelach, 1841-1891 Great Britain. Census Office  
Census returns for Higher Llansamlet, 1841-1891 Great Britain. Census Office

Census returns for Lower Llansamlet, 1841-1891 Great Britain. Census Office

Census returns for Lisvane, 1841-1891 Great Britain. Census Office  
Census returns for Roath, 1841-1891 Great Britain. Census Office  
Census returns for Canton, 1841-1891 Great Britain. Census Office  
Census returns for Llandaff, 1841-1891 Great Britain. Census Office  
Census returns of England and Wales, 1841 Great Britain. Census Office

4. Repository:
Call number: 6400288, 6400289 [fiche] 0464328 [microfilm]

Nothing in my source addresses any single use of the source. That is all
located in the event tab under "edit detail" and the three sections: Detail
Information, Detail Text, and Comments.

Carol

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RICHARD
SCHULTHIES
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 6:43 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] An argument for splitting? (knowing I may get
"lumps" for this)

He did, and I sometimes do, but only when it is a
unique reference, and not a 'lumper' type.
Rich in LA CA

--- Jenny M Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Linda McCauley wrote
> >Since the Master Source has a space for entering
> "Text of Source", I 
> >don't see how lumpers would ever use that space
> (which is a part of the 
> >Legacy source structure).
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RE: [LegacyUG] another question ... names

[familyjesse]

Rich,

Thanks. I did this but it still didn't work.  It will only remain
capitalized if I write the name with a space La Duke but the name is
properly written LaDuke.  Am I doing it right?

Options> Customize > Data format >Letter case of given names and locations >
Don't change what I enter

Options > Customize > Data format > Letter case of surnames >Don't change
what I enter

I'd welcome any ideas!

Thanks,
Carol

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RICHARD
SCHULTHIES
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 6:53 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] another question ... names

What I did, and will not change it back. Just
remembered, it is in customize, Data format, don't
change what I enter. 2 places.
Rich in LA CA

--- familyjesse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello again,
> 
>  
> 
> I have various difficult to handle personal and
> surnames:
> 
>  
> 
> Mc, Mac and La surnames where the next letter is
> capitalized without a space
> between: Legacy will not let me do this: McVey,
> LaDuke…
> 
>  
> 
> Sephardic/Spanish surnames where the mother’s
> surname is listed after the
> father’s: Pardo Pereira, Roquet Viamonde, Mendes
> Monsanto I have been filing
> the mother’s (second) surname under “suffix” with a
> comma between to set it
> off. 
> 
>  
> 
> Von, Van, Von de, Van de, Ahn de, De la, prefixes
> that are not actually part
> of the surname but are actually part of the surname…
>  I have, so far, put
> these in “prefix” so that the name will go under the
> main name. 
> 
>  
> 
> German first names where there is a string of four
> to six first names…. How
> to differentiate between the many first names and
> the actual name the person
> went by?
> 
>  
> 
> Then I have a great many Aliases and variations in
> surname spellings… I have
> finally changed the family view to show aliases so
> that I will be less
> likely to create duplicate records under different
> names for the same
> person! If anyone has any methods that work for
> these, I’d love to know.
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Carol
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
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RE: [LegacyUG] another question ... names

[familyjesse]

Cathy,

Yes, I have found that and changed a few things. Sometimes I change
something to see what it will do but end up changing it back.

The quoted name is a great method and I like that it can be specified in
reports. I will change to doing the names that way!

I have ended up using suffixes for things like "Van Den" because it keeps
the latter part of the surname together and I have families whose prefix
changes and then I can't find them in the index. I have tried to follow the
same conventions I see other researchers using from the same countries or
locations using.

Yes, I have families where I put the titles: Reverend, Doctor, Deacon... in
the prefix. Many times these are occupations but in some cases, especially
older records, they were like part of the name. In the case of a Catholic
priest or monk, it is good to have it in the name... it saves wasting a lot
of time searching for wives and children!!   I have not seen Legacy show a
way to source these titles. That would be very nice. 

As far as aka's I have to keep them in front of me or I lose track of them
and miss finding people in the records I am searching. Because of this I
have developed an elaborate system of tracking them. I am open to any
suggestions to improve this system.

I source each different name listed under aka as well as the main name, for
example, below is all the same person, each name is sourced the same, then
the 'source detail' for the event  tells the date that version of the name
is used: 

Anthonius Anthonii, Gendalim 5, 1614 Anna
Anthonius Bremen, Gendalim 5, 1610 Maria
Thoenis Kohflech, Gendalim 5, 1617 witness
Thonis Op Gen, Gendalim 5, 1607 Henricus

1610 Maria, tells that in 1610 Anthonius Bemen baptized a daughter Maria
under that name. Maria herself is listed under Mergen Kohfleg because it was
the most common usage for her in the records. She has 5 other aliases noted
and sourced.

1607 Henricus, tells that in 1607 Thonis Op Gen (Brement) baptized a son
Henricus under that name.  Henricus himself is listed under the surname most
common for him: Coevliege with 9 other versions of the name noted and
sourced for him. 

Inside the source detail for the event, I right click and copy from the
source:

Baptism  Heerlen = 30-05-1610 
Baptized child  Maria  Bremen
Father of the child Thonis  Bremen
Mother of the child Claer  N.
Sponsor Anna  Opheven V
Sponsor Johan  Hartz

Baptism  Heerlen = 25-02-1607 
Baptized child  Henricus  Op Gen
Father of the child Thonis  Op Gen
Mother of the child Clara  N.
Sponsor Frederich  Schaesberch V
Sponsor Gert  Mutters

By doing this the information is always at my fingertips and I can go back
and see the specific information any time I want.

Then under comments, I try to explain who each of the sponsors are and what
their relationship to the family is.

However, I also do aliases another way because some names have many
variations. One researcher counted 150 spellings for the surname above.
Because of this records are harder to identify for the family. 

Legacy only displays two of the aliases, so to display a larger variation in
surname spellings, in aliases:

First name: Catharina, Trincken, Triniken, Trin, Tryn, Trijntije 
Surname:  Bawr, Bawrs, Bours, Bour, Boors, Baurs, Baars, Bahrs, Bohrs,
Baers, 

With that as my first displayed name, I can add a second with less proven
association to the family:
Catharina
Boerman?, Borman?, Bohrman?, Boormans, 

Then I can source uses of that name and show under "item details" the
excerpts from records that indicate a possible relationship to my family. 

When I first started doing genealogy I had no clue what complications would
arise from names!  This family above has ten children, each born under a
surname!  Although it makes things very interesting, it also makes things
difficult. Unfortunately, I run such naming difficulties in various forms in
many countries that I search. Netherlands seems to take the lead although I
find their multliple nicknames very charming. The patronymics in Wales and
Denmark are hard too.

Since Legacy will not let me add siblings without adding a father I have
used various names for that: Unknown, Unbekannt, Onbekend; and Forefather,
Vorfahren, Stamvater... and often I add a location; Vorfahren Kerkrade
"surname". I used the different languages to group my families together that
are related rather than use just English and have more difficulty finding
people in the index. This allows me to add siblings without knowing the name
of their father. I don't know if there is some other method for doing this?

Thanks for your help and suggestions!
Carol


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Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:31 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
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Re: [LegacyUG] An argument for splitting? (knowing I may get "lumps" for this)

[Mike Fry]

familyjesse wrote:

Mike,

I am learning so much from this list on sources. Can you tell me how to
select multiple sources and derive a list from them? 


Simple! From the Master Source List, select your set of Master Sources. 
You use the Ctrl key to select multiple entries and the Shift key to 
select a contiguous group.


Ctrl key

Select an entry with the left mouse button. Then, holding the Ctrl key 
down, left click on a second entry and so on.


Shift key
=
Select an entry with the left mouse button. Then, holding the Shift key 
down, left click on a second entry. All entries between and including 
the first and second should be selected.


Now, you can click the Show List button. The list of people should 
contain all those using one or more of the selected entries.


--
Regards,
Mike Fry
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RE: [LegacyUG] An argument for splitting? (knowing I may get "lumps" for this)

[familyjesse]

Mike,

I think I'm both too. I keep some sources together, particularly those that
have hundreds of people and events under them: microfilm numbers, Gendalim 4
and 5, etc., the USA census; but I split the UK census by country: England,
Scotland, Wales... I do that mostly because my families are split that way.
However, I never put personal references inside my source references. There
is a edit detail tab on the event that I use for the personal references,
quotations of sources, item details. 

I am learning so much from this list on sources. Can you tell me how to
select multiple sources and derive a list from them? 

Thanks,
Carol


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Fry
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 1:54 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] An argument for splitting? (knowing I may get
"lumps" for this)

Cathy wrote:

> How helpful that list is depends on how you've defined the Master 
> Source. Split to extreme and it's an irrelevant list as the very few 
> people using the source are actually named in or obvious from the source.

Ah! It would be irrelevant if you select a single Source, but the 
capability exists to select multiple Sources and derive a list from them.

Me! I'm both. A lumper and splitter depending on what the source 
actually is. BMD certificates: splitter. Census Images: lumper.

-- 
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg.



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RE: [LegacyUG] Sources etc

[familyjesse]

Hello,

Oh dear!  I apologize to anyone who answered my question and did not get a
response. All of a sudden my mail program decided to put the Legacy mail in
spam so I actually was not getting all the responses. I have fixed that now.

Also, Patricia, I would like to know how you are numbering and filing the
source. Can you explain your method?

Thanks,
Carol

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WENZEL
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To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Sources etc

I've been using Legacy about a year and love the suggestion by people on
this group.  I also had not entered sources when I began entering data.  In
addition to entering the sources, I learned to number and file the source as
I entered it so that I could find it again.  
Patricia

June <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I am now about to embark on what is going to be a time consuming
task of entering sources for the data for the hundreds of people I have in
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RE: [LegacyUG] Pictures -- sourcing, copying

[joe Martin]

I put the Details and the Source in the Description, and when I click on the
photo, the quick look box pops up with the data that I have entered in the
description. Otherwise I click on the family photo icon and view the gallery
photo's for other pictures and descriptions

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pat Hickin
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 5:59 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Pictures -- sourcing, copying

So then, once the photo is in your family file, what do you do to see the 
source of the photo?
-- 
Pat


- Original Message - 
From: "RICHARD SCHULTHIES" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Pictures -- sourcing, copying


>I don't know why it doesn't work. I have done it. I
> will explain what I have done exactly.
> I have a photocopy of a census record. I originally
> added to my ggrandfather, since he is on it. I also
> added the same photo to each of the family members
> there. I then called up the Edit Master Source
> Definition, for the same census, clicked on the
> picture field on the above screen. By finding the
> photo in the directory tree, I added the same photo to
> the source. But I don't do this much since I have some
> census records where up to 150 family members are
> consecutively on the same pages, so too many photos
> for the same source. But this is how I do it.
> If you are refering to the citation added to the
> source, any such addition is added to EVERYONE using
> the source. I add the citation to the Assigned sources
> for the person with the variations of the same source
> in the detail. For example, I have books that mention
> 2000 of my family members. The details sections gives
> each persons' page numbers and some quotes as needed.
> I hope this clears up the mud a little.
> Rich in LA CA
>
> --- Pat Hickin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Yes, I know how to do that.  I just don't know how
>> to attach to the image a
>> citation that will show up in the Master Source List
>> -- and as everyone has
>> pointed out, it's not possible to do that.  I'd like
>> to know WHY!!
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> Pat
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "ronald ferguson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 2:46 PM
>> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Pictures -- sourcing,
>> copying
>>
>>
>>
>> Pat,
>>
>> To display a picture in the Family View click the
>> photo-frame icon and add
>> it to the Gallery for that person. When it's in the
>> Gallery and highlighted
>> click the asterix. You may only display one.
>>
>> It is not possible to Display a picture attached to
>> a source in the Family
>> View unless you enter it twice - once in the Source
>> and once in the Gallery.
>>
>> Ron Ferguson
>>
> _
>>
>> For Genealogy, Software and Social visit:
>> http://www.fergys.co.uk
>> *Over 650 Surnames from 11 Countries*
>> View the Grimshaw Family Tree at:
>> http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/
>> For The Fergusons of N.W. England See:
>> http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/
>>
> _
>>
>> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
>> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Pictures -- sourcing,
>> copying
>> > Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:23:47 -0400
>> >
>> > OK, Let's say I have a photo of my grandfather
>> that I want to appear in
>> > the
>> > Family View, on charts, etc.
>> >
>> > Is there a way to do that thru attaching it to a
>> SOURCE???
>> >
>> > I understand why attaching a picture to a source
>> can be a good thing, but
>> > I
>> > absolutely do not understand why we can't attach a
>> source to an image.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Pat
>> >
>> >
>> > - Original Message -
>> > From: "Brian/Support"
>> > To:
>> > Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 11:31 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Pictures -- sourcing,
>> copying
>> >
>> >
>> >> Pat,
>> >>
>> >> 1. If I read the original question correctly you
>> wanted to connect a
>> >> source to a picture. Legacy does not have that
>> feature.
>> >>
>> >> 2. Ron explained how you can attach a picture to
>> a source. In fact the
>> >> pictures can be attached to a Master Source and a
>> different picture can
>> >> be
>> >> attached to the source detail linked to a person.
>> Those pictures can be
>> >> included in reports as part of the source list at
>> the end of the report.
>> >> Open the report options and select the sources
>> tab to turn on source and
>> >> source detail pictures.
>>
>>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Pictures -- sourcing, copying

[Pat Hickin]

I suppose you could create an event called "Photo" or "Image," describe it 
and add the photo to the detail. Perhaps then for the master source you 
could just add "Image-" at the beginning of the Source List name for each of 
the master sources that has one or more photos attached.  (And also keep the 
name minus the "Image-" prefix for other citations.)


Pat

- Original Message - 
From: "RICHARD SCHULTHIES" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Pictures -- sourcing, copying



I don't know why it doesn't work. I have done it. I
will explain what I have done exactly.
I have a photocopy of a census record. I originally
added to my ggrandfather, since he is on it. I also
added the same photo to each of the family members
there. I then called up the Edit Master Source
Definition, for the same census, clicked on the
picture field on the above screen. By finding the
photo in the directory tree, I added the same photo to
the source. But I don't do this much since I have some
census records where up to 150 family members are
consecutively on the same pages, so too many photos
for the same source. But this is how I do it.
If you are refering to the citation added to the
source, any such addition is added to EVERYONE using
the source. I add the citation to the Assigned sources
for the person with the variations of the same source
in the detail. For example, I have books that mention
2000 of my family members. The details sections gives
each persons' page numbers and some quotes as needed.
I hope this clears up the mud a little.
Rich in LA CA

--- Pat Hickin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Yes, I know how to do that.  I just don't know how
to attach to the image a
citation that will show up in the Master Source List
-- and as everyone has
pointed out, it's not possible to do that.  I'd like
to know WHY!!

--

Pat


- Original Message - 
From: "ronald ferguson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 2:46 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Pictures -- sourcing,
copying



Pat,

To display a picture in the Family View click the
photo-frame icon and add
it to the Gallery for that person. When it's in the
Gallery and highlighted
click the asterix. You may only display one.

It is not possible to Display a picture attached to
a source in the Family
View unless you enter it twice - once in the Source
and once in the Gallery.

Ron Ferguson


_


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http://www.fergys.co.uk
*Over 650 Surnames from 11 Countries*
View the Grimshaw Family Tree at:
http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/
For The Fergusons of N.W. England See:
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/


_


> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Pictures -- sourcing,
copying
> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:23:47 -0400
>
> OK, Let's say I have a photo of my grandfather
that I want to appear in
> the
> Family View, on charts, etc.
>
> Is there a way to do that thru attaching it to a
SOURCE???
>
> I understand why attaching a picture to a source
can be a good thing, but
> I
> absolutely do not understand why we can't attach a
source to an image.
>
> --
> Pat
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Brian/Support"
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 11:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Pictures -- sourcing,
copying
>
>
>> Pat,
>>
>> 1. If I read the original question correctly you
wanted to connect a
>> source to a picture. Legacy does not have that
feature.
>>
>> 2. Ron explained how you can attach a picture to
a source. In fact the
>> pictures can be attached to a Master Source and a
different picture can
>> be
>> attached to the source detail linked to a person.
Those pictures can be
>> included in reports as part of the source list at
the end of the report.
>> Open the report options and select the sources
tab to turn on source and
>> source detail pictures.



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Re: [LegacyUG] Pictures -- sourcing, copying

[Pat Hickin]

So then, once the photo is in your family file, what do you do to see the 
source of the photo?

--
Pat


- Original Message - 
From: "RICHARD SCHULTHIES" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Pictures -- sourcing, copying



I don't know why it doesn't work. I have done it. I
will explain what I have done exactly.
I have a photocopy of a census record. I originally
added to my ggrandfather, since he is on it. I also
added the same photo to each of the family members
there. I then called up the Edit Master Source
Definition, for the same census, clicked on the
picture field on the above screen. By finding the
photo in the directory tree, I added the same photo to
the source. But I don't do this much since I have some
census records where up to 150 family members are
consecutively on the same pages, so too many photos
for the same source. But this is how I do it.
If you are refering to the citation added to the
source, any such addition is added to EVERYONE using
the source. I add the citation to the Assigned sources
for the person with the variations of the same source
in the detail. For example, I have books that mention
2000 of my family members. The details sections gives
each persons' page numbers and some quotes as needed.
I hope this clears up the mud a little.
Rich in LA CA

--- Pat Hickin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Yes, I know how to do that.  I just don't know how
to attach to the image a
citation that will show up in the Master Source List
-- and as everyone has
pointed out, it's not possible to do that.  I'd like
to know WHY!!

--

Pat


- Original Message - 
From: "ronald ferguson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 2:46 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Pictures -- sourcing,
copying



Pat,

To display a picture in the Family View click the
photo-frame icon and add
it to the Gallery for that person. When it's in the
Gallery and highlighted
click the asterix. You may only display one.

It is not possible to Display a picture attached to
a source in the Family
View unless you enter it twice - once in the Source
and once in the Gallery.

Ron Ferguson


_


For Genealogy, Software and Social visit:
http://www.fergys.co.uk
*Over 650 Surnames from 11 Countries*
View the Grimshaw Family Tree at:
http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/
For The Fergusons of N.W. England See:
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/


_


> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Pictures -- sourcing,
copying
> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:23:47 -0400
>
> OK, Let's say I have a photo of my grandfather
that I want to appear in
> the
> Family View, on charts, etc.
>
> Is there a way to do that thru attaching it to a
SOURCE???
>
> I understand why attaching a picture to a source
can be a good thing, but
> I
> absolutely do not understand why we can't attach a
source to an image.
>
> --
> Pat
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Brian/Support"
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 11:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Pictures -- sourcing,
copying
>
>
>> Pat,
>>
>> 1. If I read the original question correctly you
wanted to connect a
>> source to a picture. Legacy does not have that
feature.
>>
>> 2. Ron explained how you can attach a picture to
a source. In fact the
>> pictures can be attached to a Master Source and a
different picture can
>> be
>> attached to the source detail linked to a person.
Those pictures can be
>> included in reports as part of the source list at
the end of the report.
>> Open the report options and select the sources
tab to turn on source and
>> source detail pictures.



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RE: [LegacyUG] Sources etc

[Patricia WENZEL]

I've been using Legacy about a year and love the suggestion by people on this 
group.  I also had not entered sources when I began entering data.  In addition 
to entering the sources, I learned to number and file the source as I entered 
it so that I could find it again.  
Patricia

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RE: [LegacyUG] Master Location List--use of brackets?

[joe Martin]

I apologize, Mrs Cohen :)

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cafi Cohen
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:43 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Master Location List--use of brackets?

That's Mrs. Cohen :)
Sorry about my confusing first name (Cafi). Irritating to explain it all the
time (first two letters of MY parents last names), but VERY useful for
finding me on the Internet. 

Well stated Mr. Cohen

Pat wrote:
I wish there was a way to enter how certain we are of a particular fact, 
esp. locations & dates!!

Pat, NO fact/event/relationship is 100% certain. It is ALL a guess with
certainties ranging from 0-99%, and that is why documentation and source
citation are so important. Of course, indexes, abstracts, and transcriptions
contain errors. But so do original records. My mother's own marriage
certificate lists the name of her fourth step-mother as her "mother," a
piece of documentation that could send many researchers in the wrong
direction. This is why I never accept a single source as strong evidence for
a fact, no matter how "good" the source.

I enter things as I find them. The supporting documentation might be quite
weak, but I need something to spur the research process. For example, I
might estimate a marriage date (and even guess that there WAS a marriage)
based on the children's ages in the 1880 census. That is my source citation,
even though I know that it is not particularly strong evidence for the
marriage date. Having it entered -- and appearing on my family group sheets
& pedigree charts -- gives me a place to START my research and solidify the
EVENT. 

For that reason, my database is full of estimates. Of course, I can make
these estimates as I research, but that is cumbersome. Also, with databases
posted at Ancestry and similar sites, I want to give distant cousins a way
to discover commonalities and contact me. The more data and place guesses I
make, the better. Each guess is accompanied by the source citation which
boils down to "compiler estimate based on data as of [date]".  

Cafi Cohen
Arroyo Grande, CA  




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RE: [LegacyUG] Sources etc

[June]

Thank you to those people who responded to my query regarding sources. I am
now about to embark on what is going to be a time consuming task of entering
sources for the data for the hundreds of people I have in my data base. I am
looking forward to the challenge of getting all the information in.

No doubt I will be back to clarify some matters, but meanwhile many many
thanks.

June




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Re: [LegacyUG] An argument for splitting? (knowing I may get "lumps" for this)

[Mike Fry]

Cathy wrote:

How helpful that list is depends on how you've defined the Master 
Source. Split to extreme and it's an irrelevant list as the very few 
people using the source are actually named in or obvious from the source.


Ah! It would be irrelevant if you select a single Source, but the 
capability exists to select multiple Sources and derive a list from them.


Me! I'm both. A lumper and splitter depending on what the source 
actually is. BMD certificates: splitter. Census Images: lumper.


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Mike Fry
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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location List--use of brackets?

[Jenny M Benson]

Pat Hickin wrote
I wish there was a way to enter how certain we are of a particular 
fact, esp. locations & dates!!


That's what Surety Level is for!  I think the 5 levels of Surety that 
one can select cover all grades of certainty (or complete lack of it.)

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