Re: [LegacyUG] Entering English Locations

2008-09-13 Thread Heeren

That was insulting and boorish...


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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Entering English Locations
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Date: Saturday, September 13, 2008, 11:43 AM
That one is simple enough, Windsor Castle is in Windsor,
which is in
Berkshire (shire not county).It is not in London, it is not
in Greater
London and it is not in Middlesex ( and never ever has
been). Surely simple
enough even for a Californian.
John





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Re: [LegacyUG] Software Testing

2008-09-12 Thread Heeren
Mike, 

I totally agree...and I'm sorry to say that is seems to be the norm here...with 
the same players usually.  They can take a subject & turn it around to a 
witch-burning so fast you have a huge download of useless messages in an 
instant.  And when someone speaks up against the practice they turn on them.

They never seem grateful for the wonders they have, only gripe about bits of 
imperfection & ask for more. 

If it was my list, it would be -flame once, warning- flame twice, banned.  I 
don't know how the Legacy staff stays so calm...Chocolate must be involved... 
  They are good people with a good product & for a VERY reasonable price.  

Hey... maybe Legacy can start a second list for grownups... people with manners 
who know how to discuss problems & solutions without getting snide, rude & 
insulting??? LOL

Sally



  Hi Ward,

  Thanks for a thoughtful and articulate post.  I am a new user of Legacy, 
having recently switched over from TMG v7 to Legacy 7, and have been hovering 
along the side-lines of this list for the past couple of weeks or so.  I have 
never used Legacy 6.  I have also been a database developer for many years, and 
after trying out most of the competing products I settled on Legacy as the best 
choice, bugs or not.

  The only other genealogy mailing list that I have been associated with is the 
TMG list.  And although I have come to prefer Legacy to TMG, I must say that 
during the 2 years that I used it and participated in its mail list, I never 
encountered the lack of respect for the feelings of other users that I have 
seen here recently.

  I always found the TMG list to be extremely helpful.  But, as a total 
newcomer to the Legacy-world, I find myself hesitating to post here. I would 
hope that the anger, frustration and bad feeling toward the developers and also 
toward other posters that I have observed here lately is a transient thing, 
rather than the norm.

  Mike




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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Writer for Canadian Census

2008-09-02 Thread Heeren
Thank you, that's wonderful.  I think Legacy is the best genealogy software 
out there & I have worked with most of them in the last twenty years. 


I do appreciate that it's not that easy to keep adding to & improving on a 
software program that is in use & misuse by thousands.  My son who is a 
software engineer keeps me laughing with the tales from his & his friends 
experiences dealing with a public who always knows what *they* should do. 
They even have a website where they share their stories...but... you 
probably already know about that...LOL


Thank you again,
Sally


Sally,

The next update will contain specific SourceWriter templates for all of the
Canadian censuses, including the recent release of the 1916 Western Canada
census and the 1940 National Registration File.

Thanks,

Geoff Rasmussen
Millennia Corporation
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
===

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Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 5:00 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Source Writer for Canadian Census

I have an 1851 Agricultural census for an individual in Ontario county,
Reach Township.

The SourceWriter doesn't have a CANADA, when I use Every Other Country
Except... it doesn't look right.

Canada was really England in 1851, it didn't become independent from England
until after WWI but using England isn't correct either.

Any suggestions?

Sally

PS... I've checked archives & there are no messages with this subject since
the SourceWriter came out.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Writer for Canadian Census

2008-09-01 Thread Heeren
Bah... I meant they went back & forth during the 18th century... and part of 
the 19th... 

Sally

I had some problems too with the population schedule for the 1851 Census. I 
used the template for Census records > All countries except those below... 
> Online, database and images. I had no problem with the master source 
template. But the detail source template does not give a field for the 
township name, enumeration district, or subdistrict. I just did an override 
to fix the problem. For the 1901 Census, I just created a master source 
using the basic source tool. Also, I don't like that the field for county 
is on the detail template and not on the master template. I prefer to have 
master sources for census records broken up by county. Maybe that's just a 
personal preference, though. Anyhow, I think a template for Canada needs to 
be made.


Jennifer


--- On Sun, 8/31/08, Heeren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


From: Heeren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [LegacyUG] Source Writer for Canadian Census
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Date: Sunday, August 31, 2008, 6:59 PM
I have an 1851 Agricultural census for an individual in
Ontario county, Reach Township.

The SourceWriter doesn't have a CANADA, when I use
Every Other Country Except... it doesn't look right.

Canada was really England in 1851, it didn't become
independent from England until after WWI but using England
isn't correct either.

Any suggestions?

Sally

PS... I've checked archives & there are no messages
with this subject since the SourceWriter came out.




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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Writer for Canadian Census

2008-09-01 Thread Heeren
Yes, Jennifer, that's it exactly.  I was hoping there was a nice neat way 
that I had overlooked.  I think a template for Canada would be great... 
after all, in the 1800's people went back & forth across the border like it 
was all one country. 


Thank you for your response,
Sally
*
I had some problems too with the population schedule for the 1851 Census. I 
used the template for Census records > All countries except those below... 
> Online, database and images. I had no problem with the master source 
template. But the detail source template does not give a field for the 
township name, enumeration district, or subdistrict. I just did an override 
to fix the problem. For the 1901 Census, I just created a master source 
using the basic source tool. Also, I don't like that the field for county 
is on the detail template and not on the master template. I prefer to have 
master sources for census records broken up by county. Maybe that's just a 
personal preference, though. Anyhow, I think a template for Canada needs to 
be made.


Jennifer


--- On Sun, 8/31/08, Heeren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


From: Heeren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [LegacyUG] Source Writer for Canadian Census
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Date: Sunday, August 31, 2008, 6:59 PM
I have an 1851 Agricultural census for an individual in
Ontario county, Reach Township.

The SourceWriter doesn't have a CANADA, when I use
Every Other Country Except... it doesn't look right.

Canada was really England in 1851, it didn't become
independent from England until after WWI but using England
isn't correct either.

Any suggestions?

Sally

PS... I've checked archives & there are no messages
with this subject since the SourceWriter came out.




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Re: [LegacyUG] Source Writer for Canadian Census

2008-09-01 Thread Heeren
Thank you, Kathy, I know I can use the old format & input it, that's what 
I've done in the past. 


Now, I'd like to use the SourceWriter for all my new sources but the 
Canadian Agricultural Census seems to be an ungainly fit for it.


Sally
**

I'm not sure what doesn't look right.  I just put things into the fields
provided and arrange them until what comes out looks ok to me.

First was done in version 6 and the 2nd was done using the Sourcewriter.


Old format

[Census - Canada - Ontario - 1851  - Wellington County]
Puslinch Township, Wellington South, Enumeration District 1, page 76 [number
39 also appears]; Microfilm C-11756
John D. Porter Farmer, born Ireland, age 73
John D. Porter Farmer, born Ireland age 32
Robert Porter, Farmer, born Ireland age 30
Ann J. Porter, born Ireland, age 34

Sourcewriter used:
Footnote/Endnote Citation:
1851 Census of Grey County, Ontario, Collingwood Twp, District 11,
Subdistrict 86, p. 15; digital images, The Generations Network, Inc,
Ancestry.com. 1851 Census of Canada East, Canada West, New Brunswick, and
Nova Scotia [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA (www.ancestry.ca);
Alexr Mitchell age 28, born Scotland
Mary Mitchell age 23, born Scotland
John G. Mitchell age 4 born Canada W
James Mitchell age 2 born Canada W

Subsequent Citation:
1851 Census of Grey County, Ontario, Collingwood Twp, District 11,
Subdistrict 86, p. 15.

Bibliography:
Grey County. Ontario. 1851 Census of Grey County. Digital images. The
Generations Network, Inc. Ancestry.com. 1851 Census of Canada East, Canada
West, New Brunswick, and Nova Scotia [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA.
www.ancestry.ca : 5 Aug 2008.

--- in my case the Sourcewriter is pulling up info from the Master source
for the 2nd example.  For the first - the Master Source actually is
Census - Canada - Ontario - 1851  - Wellington County and may show on
reports.  I'll be checking.  I haven't gone back to change citations at this
point.

Kathy




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Re: [LegacyUG] Portable genealogy

2008-08-14 Thread Heeren
I'm so glad you asked this, I've been thinking of buying the Pocket 
Genealogist from Legacy, too, and put my genealogy on something small that I 
can take to libraries, etc.  I've come across a couple of libraries that 
frown on laptops & notebooks...just loose blank paper, pencil & handhelds 
can be brought in.


I'm thinking of getting the HP IPAQ 111 to put it on... anyone have 
experience with using that program with that handheld?


Thank you,
Sally



Could anyone tell me whether they have used Pocket Genealogist or GedStar
Pro that are available on the Legacy website. I would like to know which 
one
works the best for Legacy 7 and what kind of hand held device I need to 
use

them.

Thank you,
Carol




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Re: [LegacyUG] Help with Install password for Legacy 7.0 Free version

2008-06-05 Thread Heeren

Geez, Davenot nice at all

Jan, hope your tests come back clean you are, of course, right... 
waiting for software & then the passwords should be a relatively easy test 
of patience...


Sally





So you've waited 30 minutes?   A lot of us have waited 30 weeks, after
paying, with no complaint.

But, you're right, there is always someone worse off than yourself and we
should all just give up on everything.

People are excited, let them enjoy it.

I think you showed your true colours in your last line though,and
then "Cheers"?


 Dave (NZ)



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Roberts

Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 16:49
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Help with Install password for Legacy 7.0 Free
version

Let's get some perspective into this please!  I am sick of all the 
whingers

- and I know I am at risk of being ticked off for being off-topic, but it
has got beyond a joke.  I have been as keen as anyone else to get my hands
on Version 7.0.  30 minutes ago I paid for Deluxe 7.0, and within 5 
minutes

I got confirmation of my order - along with a reminder of what was clearly
spelled out on the website - that I would receive a separate email with
download instructions and password by the end of the next working day (but
probably sooner!)  So I wait!  The world is not going to come to an end
because I don't have it this minute!  In the whole scheme of things having
to wait for the password is very, very minor.  You see, I am waiting for
results of a CT scan and liver biopsy to see if I do in fact have 
secondary
cancer from the breast cancer I thought I had beaten for six years!  Sort 
of

makes waiting for a Legacy password pale into insignificance doesn't it!

Millennium staff - thank you for a fantastic product at a fantastic price.
I hope all the whingers have hard drive crashes! :-)

Cheers,
Jan




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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 7 is here

2008-06-03 Thread Heeren

Geoff,
Your message came through here at 9:22 & the confirmation of my purchase of 
same came through at 9:25.  


Thanks,
Sally


We wanted our Legacy user group mailing list to be the very first to hear
that version 7 is now available from our store. We haven't issued any 
formal
announcements yet, as we still need to update our home page and a few 
other

things.

Also, the "What's New in Legacy 7" video is available for viewing at
http://www.legacyfamilytree.net/videos/new7/What'sNewInLegacy7.html.

Thanks for everyone's support and patience.

For those who were promised a free shipped v7 upgrade, we've now completed
mailing those. You should receive it within the next week or so. For those
who were promised a free download-only v7, those are about 60% emailed 
out.

So in the next few days those should be completed.

Thanks,

Geoff Rasmussen
Millennia Corporation
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Re: [LegacyUG] Parentage source

2008-06-01 Thread Heeren
And yet a third way...this is fantastic.

Thanks, Rich.

Sally

  Go to Family view. Right click on children. Near the right bottom is the icon 
for Sources. Before going there, you might want to set what status you want, 
then add the Source. I use adopted, foster and 'added' (my name for unofficial 
adoption). 
  Rich in LA CA


  - Original Message ----
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  Sent: Sunday, June 1, 2008 12:40:00 PM
  Subject: [LegacyUG] Parentage source


  Is there a way to attach a source to the *relationship* between a parent & a 
child?  I have been adding the source to the name of the person but that 
doesn't really show that I have a proof of parentage.

  For instance, I have a death certificate for my great grandmother, on it is 
listed the names of her parents.  How can I add this as another source for the 
relationship of daughter to her parents?

  Please, this is just an example, I know that a death certificate isn't 
primary evidence of a relationship, working with that piece of paper brought 
the question to mind.  I just want to know if there is a way to source the 
relationship & not the name so that if I open a file on a family & I have a 
child that others don't, I can know why I linked the relationship without going 
through all the sources linked to those people.

  Is sourcing a relationship possible?  I don't know that using the notes 
utility would be useful and while I don't think making an event like 
"relationship" is right, it would keep the information front & center.  Ideas?

  Sally

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Re: [LegacyUG] Parentage source

2008-06-01 Thread Heeren
Well, how about that?  With Legacy there's always more than one way.

Thank you, Janis.

Sally

  I attach parentage sources to the Parents screen. When looking at the Family 
screen, there are a number of small, colorful icons at the bottom of the 
Husband or Wife screen.  One of them is "Parents."  If you click on it, it 
brings up a small screen, which allows you to attach a source to a pair of 
parents.

   

  Janis

   

  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Heeren
  Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 3:40 PM
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
  Subject: [LegacyUG] Parentage source

   

  Is there a way to attach a source to the *relationship* between a parent & a 
child?  I have been adding the source to the name of the person but that 
doesn't really show that I have a proof of parentage.

   

  For instance, I have a death certificate for my great grandmother, on it is 
listed the names of her parents.  How can I add this as another source for the 
relationship of daughter to her parents?

   

  Please, this is just an example, I know that a death certificate isn't 
primary evidence of a relationship, working with that piece of paper brought 
the question to mind.  I just want to know if there is a way to source the 
relationship & not the name so that if I open a file on a family & I have a 
child that others don't, I can know why I linked the relationship without going 
through all the sources linked to those people.

   

  Is sourcing a relationship possible?  I don't know that using the notes 
utility would be useful and while I don't think making an event like 
"relationship" is right, it would keep the information front & center.  Ideas?

   

  Sally

   

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Re: [LegacyUG] Parentage source

2008-06-01 Thread Heeren

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Now I have a lot of work to do... 

Sally


Hello Sally, see the attached screenshot:

1: select the "assign sources" icon in Family view
2: select "Father Rel.:" or "Mother Rel.:" to assign a source to
Father Relationship resp. Mother Relationship.

A very useful tool when dealing with sources which only mention one of
the parents, in old sources generally the father.

Best regards,

Julian (Isphording)
Netherlands

On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 9:40 PM, Heeren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Is there a way to attach a source to the *relationship* between a parent & 
a child?  I have been adding the source to the name of the person but that 
doesn't really show that I have a proof of parentage.


For instance, I have a death certificate for my great grandmother, on it 
is listed the names of her parents.  How can I add this as another source 
for the relationship of daughter to her parents?


Please, this is just an example, I know that a death certificate isn't 
primary evidence of a relationship, working with that piece of paper 
brought the question to mind.  I just want to know if there is a way to 
source the relationship & not the name so that if I open a file on a 
family & I have a child that others don't, I can know why I linked the 
relationship without going through all the sources linked to those people.


Is sourcing a relationship possible?  I don't know that using the notes 
utility would be useful and while I don't think making an event like 
"relationship" is right, it would keep the information front & center. 
Ideas?


Sally

*
You don't get harmony when everyone sings the same note.
-Doug Floyd

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++
Researching all variations of ISFORDING, ISFORDINCK,
ISFORT, ISPHORDING, YSVORDINCH, etc.
in Germany (Münster, Altenberge, Dülmen, Sendenhorst, Steinfort,
Attendorn), Holland, USA
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Re: [LegacyUG] Parentage source

2008-06-01 Thread Heeren
Thank you, too, Susan.  Don't know how I missed that all these years...I 
appreciate your response.


Sally


Sally, I click on the Sources list for the child (individual), and
they have two locations to place a source against, one for the father
relationship and one for the mother relationship. This is where I put
the source, like a marriage certificate, that yielded the parents'
names for that particular individual.

Susan Daily

On 6/1/08, Heeren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Is there a way to attach a source to the *relationship* between a parent 
& a

child?  I have been adding the source to the name of the person but that
doesn't really show that I have a proof of parentage.

For instance, I have a death certificate for my great grandmother, on it 
is
listed the names of her parents.  How can I add this as another source 
for

the relationship of daughter to her parents?

Please, this is just an example, I know that a death certificate isn't
primary evidence of a relationship, working with that piece of paper 
brought
the question to mind.  I just want to know if there is a way to source 
the
relationship & not the name so that if I open a file on a family & I have 
a

child that others don't, I can know why I linked the relationship without
going through all the sources linked to those people.

Is sourcing a relationship possible?  I don't know that using the notes
utility would be useful and while I don't think making an event like
"relationship" is right, it would keep the information front & center.
Ideas?

Sally





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[LegacyUG] Parentage source

2008-06-01 Thread Heeren
Is there a way to attach a source to the *relationship* between a parent & a 
child?  I have been adding the source to the name of the person but that 
doesn't really show that I have a proof of parentage.

For instance, I have a death certificate for my great grandmother, on it is 
listed the names of her parents.  How can I add this as another source for the 
relationship of daughter to her parents?

Please, this is just an example, I know that a death certificate isn't primary 
evidence of a relationship, working with that piece of paper brought the 
question to mind.  I just want to know if there is a way to source the 
relationship & not the name so that if I open a file on a family & I have a 
child that others don't, I can know why I linked the relationship without going 
through all the sources linked to those people.

Is sourcing a relationship possible?  I don't know that using the notes utility 
would be useful and while I don't think making an event like "relationship" is 
right, it would keep the information front & center.  Ideas?

Sally

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Re: [LegacyUG] Version 7 @ Amazon.com

2008-05-28 Thread Heeren
So order it on Amazon.  I doubt you'll get it much quicker and until the 
prices are up on the Legacy site you won't know if you are getting a deal. 
I do a lot of shopping on Amazon & use AmazonPrime but until I see what the 
bundle offers are at Legacy I'll just wait.


It's just software, everyone stop dumping on the Millennia crew, they are 
not trying to cheat you or trample you or do you wrong in any way...they are 
just trying to put out the best product they can as soon as they can.  Life 
happens.  Things don't turn out as you want them to... big whoopee doo


Man up for goodness sakes.  If you can't handle the wait buy something else, 
leave in a huff, cry in your pillow but do stop sounding like the poster 
children for the entitlement generation.


It will be ready when it is ready...

And to all you fine people at Millennia, please don't let the whiners & 
complainers get to you.  Version 6 is a wonderful product & 7 sounds even 
better.  I'll be delighted when it gets here but until then, I am one happy 
customer.


Thank you for what I have & what I *will* have. 

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Re: [LegacyUG] Training Videos

2008-05-26 Thread Heeren
And I guess I messed up because I just bought the videos & plan to buy the 
CD & book when it's available.


Rats... 

Sally


Hello Keith,

What is the NAG SCREEN?

Thanks,
Debbie Freeman


-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 3:44 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Training Videos

Guys - check the PACKAGE DEALS on the NAG SCREEN about the manual -
might be a better deal...
Keith

On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 4:59 PM, John Magyari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Here's a toll free number, why don't you call them Tuesday morning and

order

a copy

800-753-3453

I'm sure they would be happy to sell you a copy.

They have been working very hard over the last few months,  hopefully the
sales staff has the weekend and US holiday off.

jdm

Keith Bage wrote:


I found the videos after all. I also need to know if these are really
different to V5 videos.

It's somewhat ironic that I can buy the v7 videos but not Legacy 7

itself.


Keith




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Re: [LegacyUG] pre-release of V. 7 - good luck at NGS

2008-05-12 Thread Heeren
Yes, good luck, hope you impress the daylights out of everybody I know you 
impress me.
Sally Mercer Heeren

  While I feel mildly frustrated that the users will not see the program first, 
I do recognize that NGS is one of the most important genealogy conferences in 
the U.S. Legacy needs to make this year's conference, and if it were released 
to all of us at the same time, there would very likely be all sorts of problems 
that the Millennium folk wouldn't be equipped to handle while they are away 
from the office.

   

  Personally, I hope they hook some of the heavy-duty academics at the 
conference - maybe a couple of Fellows! Good luck out there next week, Legacy!

   

  Janis Walker Gilmore

   

   

   



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Re: [LegacyUG] How to Source...

2008-04-13 Thread Heeren

Keith,

I have a source called Personal Information, then on the detail I add my 
name (if it's my information) or the name of the relative who told me.


Think of it this way, if you found a letter from a great grandfather to his 
brother that said in part that they were moving from the Dakotas to Wyoming, 
you would use the letter as a source but the letter is just your great 
grandfather writing down what he would have said to his brother... his word 
is not more or less honest because it is written rather than said... it just 
lasts longer & gives you an event in the words of the person who lived it..


Once you write down that you lived in such & such a place for so many years 
& source yourself, you have created a document that will be received 100 
from now as a prime source.  A source about an event by someone who lived it 
in their own words.  


Sally


GeoSci wrote:

No obvious (to me anyway) source to pick for something I know is true
because I lived it.  Or something my mother recalled.  Should I simply
add my name as a source?  One good example is residence.  I know where
we lived for most of my life - and certainly know where my wife and I
have lived since we married.  These are facts - but a source?

Probably something quite simple - but I am trying to clear things up
from the past 4-5 years of throwing data into my file without decent
sourcing (what a mess!).

Thanks
Keith

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Re: [LegacyUG] Census vs Residence Events

2008-04-12 Thread Heeren
I do the same thing that Elsie does & have a residence event for every 
person I find in the census or other source...even if it is the same address 
or place as before.   And I add the notation "at 412 Main St with husband & 
5 children" changing to "at 412 Main St with parents & siblings" as fits the 
person.


At a glance I can see where that person has been, how the family has 
changed.  I can track how the family moved around and try to find out why. 
If the person is in one place for years with a single incident of a 
different residence, I try to find out why..


I don't feel you can err with using the Events to track every piece of 
information you have.  It's usually when you leave something out that you 
kick yourself later.  Or I do.. 


Sally


Interesting idea - if I understand - it might happen that you have
MANY residence events for a single person.  I lived in three places in
less that 1 year (just for an example).  So if I found evidence for
each location - each would be a different residence event?  I have
grandparents living in 5 different places over 60 years of census data
- resulting in 5 residence events?

Just thinking aloud...

Keith.



On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Elsie Saar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I also do not use Census events. I list all items from a census to
appropriate events: name, residence, birth, occupation, education, real
estate, etc and use the census as a source. So if I see a residence for
1920, for example, I can easily see what the source is, whether it's a
census or directory or whatever. Each person on each census gets all 
items

of info entered. Perhaps I'm a little pedantic.

 For what it's worth, I enter a residence event as:
 Event: Residence
 Desc: with his father in law at 232 Washington Ave. in
 Date: Jan 1, 1920
 Place: Kingston, Ulster Co., New York, USA

 Then I source that event:
 Master Source:  US Federal Census
 Detail:  1920 NY, Ulster, ED 64, sheet 4b, line 13

 I copy the residence event with its source, and use it for each member 
of
the household. I use the line number of the head of the household for 
each

member. If I have used a relationship such as "with his father in law" I
change that to read "with her father" or for children, "with his/her
grandfather".
 Elsie



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 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Finding placenames and associated family files



 Ah, Cathy.

 Now I understand why we have had similar discussions in the past. I do 
not

use Census Events and *only* use censuses as Sources for other events eg
Residence, Name, Occupation etc etc.

 Hence I have these events for *all* my individuals - if applicable.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Re: asking questions associated with Legacy

2008-04-05 Thread Heeren
ROTFLMAO  


Well put

Sally

 and on and on that belongs in a different 
mailing list called "Emotional Release for People Who Join Mailing 
Lists" and whoever wants a ring-side seat can go over there.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Thoughts re Descendants - How to Tag

2008-04-03 Thread Heeren
I read an article on Meme & Gene genealogy... rather like nurture & nature... 
that was fascinating.  It told how genes aren't the only thing that is handed 
down.  Your family line passes on values & ethics.  A completely unrelated 
person, raised as one of a specific family will take on its attributes and pass 
it on to its offspring.

Outside of medical problems, I've decided that the meme part of genealogy is as 
important if not more important than *purity* of the gene line.

I'm sorry I can't tell you where I read the article, it was over a year ago & I 
read so much that it is lost in a forest of magazines.  

Sally 

  I recall hearing some time ago the sad statistical analysis of DNA studies 
and it was estimated that something like upwards of 20% of the people that 
think they are related actually aren't. That's a dirty little secret we all 
prefer to ignore.

   

  Brian

   

   






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Re: [LegacyUG] To Correct or not to correct, That is the question!!!

2008-03-30 Thread Heeren
Not sure what you mean, Christina.  Do you mean do you add the incorrect 
information to your file as the correct date, then no. 

Alt. Birth/Death/etc is a great way to save these dates without having them 
change your main information.  And sometimes, those *wrong* dates prove to be 
right...just not with the person you thought they should be with.  I just 
solved a vexing problem of a woman with conflicting birth/death dates given by 
several different people...turns out there were two women who were first 
cousins... two of the people had only one of the cousins in the file but with 
the wrong parents...once we sorted out the parents & cousins, all the dates 
made sense.

Of course, some information you find is ridiculous, for instance, someone puts 
the marriage date at a time when the woman would be 10 years old or has her 
first child born before she was...I've actually come across both of these in 
online trees.  In that case, ignore, ignore, ignore... 

With spelling you have a whole new game, I have an ancestor that was called 
Cynthia Ann, Cynthia Anna, Cindi Ann, Cynthianna... she is so far back that 
there is no birth record nor bible record & two names were used more than the 
others so I chose one... Cynthianna ... as the main name & put the others in 
AKA with the source for each.

With surnames, different branches of the family could have evolved different 
spelling & it is understandable that as they research back, they change the 
spelling to the one they know best.  I don't think that one should change a 
source spelling of a name (assuming the source was from the same time period as 
the person).  I put the surnames in as I find them... using the others in 
AKA...again using the spelling most common for each individual or the time 
period.

If you mean do you correct the online information, then yes.  I put up 
corrections on Ancestry.com all the time & appreciate others who do the same.  
Rootsweb has a way you can add notes to online trees, too.  But, I only do it 
if I have PROVED the information, I never do it if I have only one or two weak 
sources.  They may be right... 

Sally

  I am at my end with this question. I think I know the answers but I need to 
ask.

  When you find something on the internet or written in a book, do you correct 
the spelling or places or date adjustments if you know they are not correct. 
Such as the name of a state in a country?

  Also the year. If you have a date of marriage 1856 and the date of birth for 
the bride is 1850 do you still put that in the marriage field or just a 
notation that you suspect it is not correct?

  any help will be appreciated,
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Re: [LegacyUG] Family Tales

2008-03-27 Thread Heeren

Jane,

You are so right about the information & tips on this list.  Just from this 
one question I've had such great responses.


I'm kind of a purist who doesn't want to lose the *life* in these histories. 
I try to get at least 3 solid sources for every fact but facts alone don't 
bring these people to life.  It is the tales I've heard that make me feel I 
know ancestors that died before my father was born.  So, I want to preserve 
the stories as well as the facts.


It would be nice if Legacy let us keep our facts in one color until we have 
what we consider enough sources to prove the fact & then change it to black. 
At a glance I would know what needed work.   Of course, most of the line 
would be green or whatever.LOL  so, maybe that's not such a good idea.


Sally


Sally,
Sounds like using the General Notes is working fine for you.
I am just now in the process of transferring my family stories from 
general

notes to an added event I named Family Stories.
My reason is simple - when anyone asks about family stories, I will be 
able
to easily find the list of all folks in my program who have a family 
story.

(The discussion of these family stories usually leads to one more to be
added.) I can also exclude the stories from reports by marking private. 
All
this can also be accomplished with a detailed search of general notes for 
a

keyword placed in the family stories (like 'family story', for example).
Although I have used Legacy for a few years now, in the few months
subscribed to this LUG I've received a wealth of information & tips and
decided I just want to use the program to store the history of my extended
family.  I am more interested in how to organize my folks than defining
what is and is not an event.
I do have a deep admiration to those who publish and have to think about
such things and the purists who want to.
Regards, Jane Tripp

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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 6:32 PM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Family Tales 


Hi,

When you have time, could those of you who have dealt with this tell me
what method you used?

I have some wonderful family stories that cannot be proved, nor would
proving them make a bit of difference to the genealogy of the family in 
any

way, but I would like to have them in my Legacy files for future
generations to read once the story tellers are gone.

For instance, my Aunt Abbie told me that her Grandmother Mary Engleby came
to the USA with her parents as a small child (that has been proved).  On
the ship coming over, she got very sick & died...during preparations for
her funeral at sea someone thought they saw movement & they worked on her 
&

she survived...until she died in 1916 at the age of 67. 

I've been putting such stories as this in Notes with the name of the 
person

who told me the story as source along with the date they told me.

Does anyone have a better way?  Or is this the best way?

TIA,

Sally




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Re: [LegacyUG] Family Tales

2008-03-27 Thread Heeren

That DOES sound good.  Thank you,

Sally



I have created an event called "Family Story" (complete with " ") with the
sentence structure in all instances as .. There is a [EventName] that
[GivenName] [-Notes].[Sources]
I put all details in the Notes section of the event.  The resulting event
sentence reads something like.
There is a family story that Mary came to the USA with her parents 
etc.etc.

For the source I have a Master Source called Personal Memories - I add the
name of the person who provided the tale in the Source Details.

Work for me.

Cheers,
Jan

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Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2008 9:32:AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Family Tales 

Hi,

When you have time, could those of you who have dealt with this tell me 
what


method you used?

I have some wonderful family stories that cannot be proved, nor would
proving them make a bit of difference to the genealogy of the family in 
any
way, but I would like to have them in my Legacy files for future 
generations


to read once the story tellers are gone.

For instance, my Aunt Abbie told me that her Grandmother Mary Engleby came
to the USA with her parents as a small child (that has been proved).  On 
the


ship coming over, she got very sick & died...during preparations for her
funeral at sea someone thought they saw movement & they worked on her & 
she

survived...until she died in 1916 at the age of 67. 

I've been putting such stories as this in Notes with the name of the 
person

who told me the story as source along with the date they told me.

Does anyone have a better way?  Or is this the best way?

TIA,

Sally




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Re: [LegacyUG] Family Tales

2008-03-27 Thread Heeren

What a great idea!  Thank you, John.

Sally


I put "family traditions" in the Notes of the primary person involved;
i.e., Grandma talked about traveling from Georgia to Alabama in a covered
wagon, so the story is in her general notes.  Because of her birth date,
we know that her stories of the trip were actually what her older siblings
or parents had told her as she was less than a year old when they moved -
and that's also in the notes (born 1899, in GA census in 1900).

Another possibility would be to have a "Family Tradition" event so you can
customize the format of the text in reports.

John


Hi,

When you have time, could those of you who have dealt with this tell me
what
method you used?

I have some wonderful family stories that cannot be proved, nor would
proving them make a bit of difference to the genealogy of the family in
any
way, but I would like to have them in my Legacy files for future
generations
to read once the story tellers are gone.

For instance, my Aunt Abbie told me that her Grandmother Mary Engleby 
came

to the USA with her parents as a small child (that has been proved).  On
the
ship coming over, she got very sick & died...during preparations for her
funeral at sea someone thought they saw movement & they worked on her &
she
survived...until she died in 1916 at the age of 67. 

I've been putting such stories as this in Notes with the name of the
person
who told me the story as source along with the date they told me.

Does anyone have a better way?  Or is this the best way?

TIA,

Sally






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Re: [LegacyUG] Family Tales

2008-03-26 Thread Heeren

Thank you for the reply.


Sally, that is exactly where and how I would do it.

I don't think there is an exact way, it is up to you as to where you 
would like to put all the 'stories'.







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Re: [LegacyUG] Family Tales

2008-03-26 Thread Heeren
Thank you, Wendy.  I didn't know if I was overlooking another place to put 
these tales...for all I know, there could be a tale-tab... 


Sally


Hi Sally,

Notes sounds like as good a place as any to record this sort of thing. 
Before you make any decisions, though, think about what you would like to 
do with that information - do you want to have it print on reports, and do 
these Notes print on the reports you want them in?  If the Notes do what 
you want (and don't do what you don't want) then they fit your needs.  :-)


Hope this helps.

Kind Regards,
Wendy Howard
--
Kaiwaka, Northland, New Zealand
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wendyh65/ 
<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Ewendyh65/>


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Hi,

When you have time, could those of you who have dealt with this tell me 
what method you used?


I have some wonderful family stories that cannot be proved, nor would 
proving them make a bit of difference to the genealogy of the family in 
any way, but I would like to have them in my Legacy files for future 
generations to read once the story tellers are gone.


For instance, my Aunt Abbie told me that her Grandmother Mary Engleby 
came to the USA with her parents as a small child (that has been proved). 
On the ship coming over, she got very sick & died...during preparations 
for her funeral at sea someone thought they saw movement & they worked on 
her & she survived...until she died in 1916 at the age of 67. 


I've been putting such stories as this in Notes with the name of the 
person who told me the story as source along with the date they told me.


Does anyone have a better way?  Or is this the best way?

TIA,

Sally




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[LegacyUG] Family Tales

2008-03-26 Thread Heeren

Hi,

When you have time, could those of you who have dealt with this tell me what 
method you used?


I have some wonderful family stories that cannot be proved, nor would 
proving them make a bit of difference to the genealogy of the family in any 
way, but I would like to have them in my Legacy files for future generations 
to read once the story tellers are gone.


For instance, my Aunt Abbie told me that her Grandmother Mary Engleby came 
to the USA with her parents as a small child (that has been proved).  On the 
ship coming over, she got very sick & died...during preparations for her 
funeral at sea someone thought they saw movement & they worked on her & she 
survived...until she died in 1916 at the age of 67. 


I've been putting such stories as this in Notes with the name of the person 
who told me the story as source along with the date they told me.


Does anyone have a better way?  Or is this the best way?

TIA,

Sally 





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