Re: [LegacyUG] A question about Sourcing

[Connie Sheets]

I consider myself middle of the road, but may lean more toward splitting than 
lumping, though I think there must be extreme lumpers (putting all newspapers 
in one source would be an extreme lumper IMO) and extreme splitters (making a 
separate master source for each census household would be an extreme splitter). 
 

I recently spent a lot of time cleaning up the mess I've made all these years 
by not having a consistent method for naming sources (and by importing my 
database into Legacy several years ago from another program).  I did something 
similar to what Dede and Kirsten suggested, except that I used primarily a 
locality based naming pattern, e.g. Illinois - Wayne Co. Cemetery Records, 
Illinois - Wayne Co. Newspapers, etc..  This tells me a lot at a glance about 
the quality/thoroughness of my research in a specific locality.

The exceptions were things like Correspondence and Military records (which in 
the US are mostly at a national level), and items that are strictly surname 
based.  

My point is:  if you lean toward splitting and do thorough research, you will 
probably eventually have hundreds of sources, so choose a naming/categorization 
method that makes sense to you and use it consistently.  Otherwise, you may end 
up with the same source entered multiple times under different names, and have 
to spend several days cleaning it up, like I just did.

If you're an extreme lumper, though, you have it easy:  just call it Newspapers 


Connie

--- On Mon, 12/22/08, Dede Holden  wrote:

> From: Dede Holden 
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] A question about Sourcing
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 11:48 AM
> Phil,
> 
> I concur with Kirsten.  I have several different newspapers
> as
> sources.  In my Master List they are named
> "Newspaper:Jackson Daily
> News," etc.  This does indeed help you to quickly see
> if you already
> have a newspaper listed as a Master Source.  I do the same
> thing with
> Books, Letters, Military Records, among others.  I am sure
> I don't
> have as many sources as some on this list, but right now,
> this system
> is working for me.  (By the way, I consider myself to be a
> "splumper,"
> splitting some sources and lumping others.)
> 
> I'd like to hear if someone has a different view and
> why, especially
> if they have a large number of sources.
> 
 
> 



  




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RE: [LegacyUG] A question about Sourcing

[ronald ferguson]

Oh, Dede, not another word to learn - a "splumper" LOL!
 
I'm afraid that I may not really qualify, certainly not with newspapers for 
which I only have one Master Source. I have not had to add one since the new 
source writer templates came out, but if I cannot find one that I can 
use/modify so that the name of the paper goes in the Detail then I'll stick 
with the old format.

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> Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 05:48:46 -0600
> From: deanbuc...@gmail.com
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] A question about Sourcing
>
> Phil,
>
> I concur with Kirsten. I have several different newspapers as
> sources. In my Master List they are named "Newspaper:Jackson Daily
> News," etc. This does indeed help you to quickly see if you already
> have a newspaper listed as a Master Source. I do the same thing with
> Books, Letters, Military Records, among others. I am sure I don't
> have as many sources as some on this list, but right now, this system
> is working for me. (By the way, I consider myself to be a "splumper,"
> splitting some sources and lumping others.)
>
> I'd like to hear if someone has a different view and why, especially
> if they have a large number of sources.
>
> Dede Holden
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 3:42 PM, Kirsten Bowman wrote:
>>
>> Phil:
>>
>> The benefit to having a Master Source is to avoid repetitious typing by
>> grouping together several source items that share common information. You
>> could put all of your articles together under one Master Source called
>> "Newspapers" or even use the artifacts or basic source template, but there
>> would be very little common information to enter at the Master Source level.
>> More typically, each newspaper would be a separate Master Source. I would
>> begin the source list name with "newspaper" or "news" followed by the city
>> or the newspaper name. This won't print in the source citation but it will
>> group them together in your Master Source List so you can find them easily.
>>
>> Kirsten
>>
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
>> Behalf Of Phil Husband
>> Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 4:04 PM
>> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
>> Subject: [LegacyUG] A question about Sourcing
>>
>>
>> I have a problem, probably a brick wall in my mind, about sourcing.
>> Determining and naming a Master Source in particular.
>>
>> I have several newspaper articles, some I inherited, some I've downloaded
>> from Ancestry.com Historical Newspaper collection. The articles are from
>> several newspapers, in quite a few cities. I'm using them to keep track of
>> when and where a particular family worked and lived in various cities.
>> The articles range from 1902 to 1944. A majority, but not all, of these
>> articles are from personal news columns (gossip columns). Can someone of
>> this group using Legacy suggest one Master Source that I could use? I have
>> Evidence Explained at hand, while there are many illustrations, what I need
>> is how to name the master source.
>>
>> Phil Husband
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Re: [LegacyUG] A question about Sourcing

[Dede Holden]

Phil,

I concur with Kirsten.  I have several different newspapers as
sources.  In my Master List they are named "Newspaper:Jackson Daily
News," etc.  This does indeed help you to quickly see if you already
have a newspaper listed as a Master Source.  I do the same thing with
Books, Letters, Military Records, among others.  I am sure I don't
have as many sources as some on this list, but right now, this system
is working for me.  (By the way, I consider myself to be a "splumper,"
splitting some sources and lumping others.)

I'd like to hear if someone has a different view and why, especially
if they have a large number of sources.

Dede Holden


On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 3:42 PM, Kirsten Bowman  wrote:
>
> Phil:
>
> The benefit to having a Master Source is to avoid repetitious typing by
> grouping together several source items that share common information.  You
> could put all of your articles together under one Master Source called
> "Newspapers" or even use the artifacts or basic source template, but there
> would be very little common information to enter at the Master Source level.
> More typically, each newspaper would be a separate Master Source.  I would
> begin the source list name with "newspaper" or "news" followed by the city
> or the newspaper name.  This won't print in the source citation but it will
> group them together in your Master Source List so you can find them easily.
>
> Kirsten
>
> -Original Message-
> From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on
> Behalf Of Phil Husband
> Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 4:04 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: [LegacyUG] A question about Sourcing
>
>
> I have a problem, probably a brick wall in my mind, about sourcing.
> Determining and naming a Master Source in particular.
>
> I have several newspaper articles, some I inherited, some I've downloaded
> from Ancestry.com Historical Newspaper collection.  The articles are from
> several newspapers, in quite a few cities.  I'm using them to keep track of
> when and where a particular family worked and lived in various cities.
> The articles range from 1902 to 1944.  A majority, but not all,  of these
> articles are from personal news columns (gossip columns).  Can someone of
> this group using Legacy suggest one Master Source that I could use? I have
> Evidence Explained at hand, while there are many illustrations, what I need
> is how to name the master source.
>
> Phil Husband



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[LegacyUG] A question about Sourcing

[Phil Husband]

I have a problem, probably a brick wall in my mind, about sourcing. 
Determining and naming a Master Source in particular.


I have several newspaper articles, some I inherited, some I've downloaded 
from Ancestry.com Historical Newspaper collection.  The articles are from 
several newspapers, in quite a few cities.  I'm using them to keep track of 
when and where a particular family worked and lived in various cities.
The articles range from 1902 to 1944.  A majority, but not all,  of these 
articles are from personal news columns (gossip columns).  Can someone of 
this group using Legacy suggest one Master Source that I could use? I have 
Evidence Explained at hand, while there are many illustrations, what I need 
is how to name the master source.


Phil Husband 





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Re: [LegacyUG] A Question About Sourcing

[Thomas Herson]

Thanks Cathy and everyone else. I believe I now have all the information I 
need. I have collapsed several Baptism sources (all at the same church) into 
one Baptism source and entered the appropriate source detail for each. I'll 
try the obituaries next.


Tom

- Original Message - 
From: "Cathy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] A Question About Sourcing



Hi Tom,

A Master Source (Obituary in Newspaper x}with particular source detail re 
a particular person

Joe Bloggs, 20 Oct 1909, page x, column y
with or without the actual obituary in the Source Detail text (which you 
can choose to have print with the source citation or not print and just be 
there for your convenience)

can be added to as many events or people as relevant.

Provided you make no changes at all to the source detail (and the best way 
to ensure this is to use the Source Clipboard), that Source with that 
particular source detail will only print once in a report, even if you've 
used it 20 times.


The Master Source with different source detail will print again if you 
also have an obituary in the same newspaper for Mary Bloggs.


You can get a list of people who use a particular Master Source by going 
to the Master Source list and highlighting the source and clicking "Show 
List"
You can't (currently/easily) get a list of those who use a particular 
Master Source with the same source detail since we can't search on Source 
Detail.


Cathy

At 08:56 PM 19/10/2007, you wrote:


Thanks Nancy and Ron.

With both your solutions, am I correct in assuming that the Master Source 
would not identify the deceased or any other person who record uses that 
source? Also, as most of my families have been local for centuries, there 
have been  hundreds of obituaries in the local newspaper over the years. 
Wouldn't it get rather cluttered if the date and page number of each of 
hundreds of obituaries were listed in the source detail?


I do place the entire text of each obituary in the general notes section 
of the deceased, making sure that I also include the date of publication 
as well as  the name of the newspaper.


My main concern is how to handle the situation where my source for a piece 
of information about an individual other than the deceased comes from an 
obituary.


Thanks,

Tom Herson





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Re: [LegacyUG] A Question About Sourcing

[Cathy]

Hi Tom,

A Master Source (Obituary in Newspaper x}with particular source 
detail re a particular person

Joe Bloggs, 20 Oct 1909, page x, column y
with or without the actual obituary in the Source Detail text (which 
you can choose to have print with the source citation or not print 
and just be there for your convenience)

can be added to as many events or people as relevant.

Provided you make no changes at all to the source detail (and the 
best way to ensure this is to use the Source Clipboard), that Source 
with that particular source detail will only print once in a report, 
even if you've used it 20 times.


The Master Source with different source detail will print again if 
you also have an obituary in the same newspaper for Mary Bloggs.


You can get a list of people who use a particular Master Source by 
going to the Master Source list and highlighting the source and 
clicking "Show List"
You can't (currently/easily) get a list of those who use a particular 
Master Source with the same source detail since we can't search on 
Source Detail.


Cathy

At 08:56 PM 19/10/2007, you wrote:


Thanks Nancy and Ron.

With both your solutions, am I correct in assuming that the Master 
Source would not identify the deceased or any other person who 
record uses that source? Also, as most of my families have been 
local for centuries, there have been  hundreds of obituaries in the 
local newspaper over the years. Wouldn't it get rather cluttered if 
the date and page number of each of hundreds of obituaries were 
listed in the source detail?


I do place the entire text of each obituary in the general notes 
section of the deceased, making sure that I also include the date of 
publication as well as  the name of the newspaper.


My main concern is how to handle the situation where my source for a 
piece of information about an individual other than the deceased 
comes from an obituary.


Thanks,

Tom Herson





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Re: [LegacyUG] A Question About Sourcing

[Jenny M Benson]

Thomas Herson wrote
Now this leads to another question. Is there a way to input Source 
Detail other than going to an individuals Information Window and 
clicking on Edit Detail? In other words can you edit (or initially 
enter) the Source Detail for an individual at the same time you are 
creating a new Master Source or do you have to go back to the 
individual's Information Screen and click on Edit Detail AFTER you have 
created a new Master Source.?


I nearly always create a new Master Source as and when the need arises 
when I am editing an Individual.  Thus, my procedure is something like 
this:

1  Open Individual's Information Screen
2  Add Event
3  Click on Sources Icon
4  Click on Add a new Source
5  Enter the Master Source details
6  Enter Source Details (window will have opened automatically on 
closing Master Source window.)
7  If necessary, copy Event to Event Clipboard and then paste as a new 
Event for further individuals.



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Re: [LegacyUG] A Question About Sourcing

[Thomas Herson]

Thank tou, Wendy, I'll try that when I get the chance.

- Original Message - 
From: "Wendy Howard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] A Question About Sourcing



Hi Tom,

"I do place the entire text of each obituary in the general notes 
section of the deceased"


As with pretty much everything in Legacy, there's more than one way to 
record the text of a source.  Yours is perfectly fine, but I thought you 
might like to hear of another...


An alternative is to put the text of the obituary into the Detail Text 
when you're completing the Source Detail, and mark it to be included on 
reports.  Then it wouldn't matter who the report was being generated 
for, you'd have the complete information there at the end of your report 
(if you choose to print the source information), not just when you 
printed a report for the person whose obituary it was.


By using the Source Clipboard (which will make all the citations from 
the one article identical), it will only be printed once in the list at 
the end of the report.


I've used this for census transcriptions, too.  Anything where the 
original text might be informative, and especially where it relates to 
more than one person and/or fact/event as it reduces duplication.


Hope this helps.  :-)

Kind Regards,
Wendy Howard
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Re: [LegacyUG] A Question About Sourcing

[Wendy Howard]

Hi Tom,

"I do place the entire text of each obituary in the general notes 
section of the deceased"


As with pretty much everything in Legacy, there's more than one way to 
record the text of a source.  Yours is perfectly fine, but I thought you 
might like to hear of another...


An alternative is to put the text of the obituary into the Detail Text 
when you're completing the Source Detail, and mark it to be included on 
reports.  Then it wouldn't matter who the report was being generated 
for, you'd have the complete information there at the end of your report 
(if you choose to print the source information), not just when you 
printed a report for the person whose obituary it was.


By using the Source Clipboard (which will make all the citations from 
the one article identical), it will only be printed once in the list at 
the end of the report.


I've used this for census transcriptions, too.  Anything where the 
original text might be informative, and especially where it relates to 
more than one person and/or fact/event as it reduces duplication.


Hope this helps.  :-)

Kind Regards,
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RE: [LegacyUG] A Question About Sourcing

[ronald ferguson]

Tom, One must first create the Master Source which can be as general or as 
specific as you wish, but is, nevertheless, a general source within the 
parameters which you have chosen. The Source Detail which is added later is 
specific to the instance in which the Source is being used. At one extreme 
there is no need for Source Detail as (using Obituaries as an example) one 
could create a Master Source for each Obituary with it's date and name of the 
publication. As you said before you would then end up with thousands of Master 
Sources. I have chosen not to go down this route but others differ. There are 
advatages and disadvantages to both methods! Ron Ferguson (btw, Tom, would you 
mind trimming all the etiquette details from the end of your replies as they 
mount up and use up band width for those on dial-up) 
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_> From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com> Subject: Re: 
[LegacyUG] A Question About Sourcing> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:03:14 -0400>> I 
think I'm getting this now. The Assigned Sources window for each> individual 
has an option to Edit Detail. When I click on Edit Detail I do> see the Source 
Detail . I now understand (I think) that the> information I type on these tabs 
will show ONLY on a specific individual and> not on ALL individuals tied to the 
Master Source. Right?>> Now this leads to another question. Is there a way to 
input Source Detail> other than going to an individuals Information Window and 
clicking on Edit> Detail? In other words can you edit (or initially enter) the 
Source Detail> for an individual at the same time you are creating a new Master 
Source or> do you have to go back to the individual's Information Screen and 
click on> Edit Detail AFTER you have created a new Master Source.?>> Thanks! I 
think the next answer will then provide some relief from my> postings :)>> Tom 
Herson> Ithaca, NY> AIM HersonIthaca> - Original Message -> From: 
"Nancy A. Daniels"> To:> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 9:29 AM> Subject: RE: 
[LegacyUG] A Question About Sourcing>>>> Hi, Tom,>>>> Yes, in my method, the 
Master Source does not identify any person the>> source>> refers to.>>>> The 
Source detail (that I enter with each separate Obituary, for example)>> has all 
the details I would need to go find that source again in the>> future.>> It is 
specific for each person I attach it to. It goes away when I close>> the source 
itself so there is no fear of cluttering up your sources.>>>> Like Ron, I would 
refer to the Obituary when that obituary has identified>> the information that 
I am recording: whether it is a name of a sibling,>> address, or any other 
information. This 'Obituary' source I would then>> consider one of the many 
sources I would gather when confirming>> information>> (that would be a 
Secondary type source, not a Primary type source).>>>> Nancy>>>> -Original 
Message->> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
Thomas>> Herson>> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 8:56 AM>> To: 
LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com>> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] A Question About 
Sourcing>>>> Thanks Nancy and Ron.>>>> With both your solutions, am I correct 
in assuming that the Master Source>> would not identify the deceased or any 
other person who record uses that>> source? Also, as most of my families have 
been local for centuries, there>> have been hundreds of obituaries in the local 
newspaper over the years.>> Wouldn't it get rather cluttered if the date and 
page number of each of>> hundreds of obituaries were listed in the source 
detail?>>>> I do place the entire text of each obituary in the general notes 
section>> of>> the deceased, making sure that I also include the date of 
publication as>> well as the name of the newspaper.>>>> My main concern is how 
to handle the situation where my source for a piece>> of information about an 
individual other than the deceased comes from an>> obituary.>>>> Thanks,>>>> 
Tom Herson>> Ithaca, NY>> AIM HersonIthaca>> - Original Message ->> 
From: "ronald ferguson">> To:>> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 8:33 AM>&

RE: [LegacyUG] A Question About Sourcing

[ronald ferguson]

Tom,

One must first create the Master Source which can be as general as you wish, 
but is, nevertheless, a general source within the parameters which you have 
chosen.

The Source Detail which is added later is specific to the instance in which the 
Source is being used. At one extreme there is no need for Source detail as 
(using Obituaries as an example) one could create a Master Source for each 
Obituary with it's date and name of the publication. As you said before you 
would then end up with thousands of Master Sources. I have chosen not to go 
down this route but others differ. There are advatages and disadvantages to 
both methods!

Ron Ferguson

(btw, Tom, would you mind trimming all the etiquette details from the end of 
your replies as they mount up and use up band width for those on dial-up)

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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] A Question About Sourcing
> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:03:14 -0400
>
> I think I'm getting this now. The Assigned Sources window for each
> individual has an option to Edit Detail. When I click on Edit Detail I do
> see the Source Detail . I now understand (I think) that the
> information I type on these tabs will show ONLY on a specific individual and
> not on ALL individuals tied to the Master Source. Right?
>
> Now this leads to another question. Is there a way to input Source Detail
> other than going to an individuals Information Window and clicking on Edit
> Detail? In other words can you edit (or initially enter) the Source Detail
> for an individual at the same time you are creating a new Master Source or
> do you have to go back to the individual's Information Screen and click on
> Edit Detail AFTER you have created a new Master Source.?
>
> Thanks! I think the next answer will then provide some relief from my
> postings :)
>
> Tom Herson
> Ithaca, NY
> AIM HersonIthaca
> - Original Message -
> From: "Nancy A. Daniels" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 9:29 AM
> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] A Question About Sourcing
>
>
>> Hi, Tom,
>>
>> Yes, in my method, the Master Source does not identify any person the
>> source
>> refers to.
>>
>> The Source detail (that I enter with each separate Obituary, for example)
>> has all the details I would need to go find that source again in the
>> future.
>> It is specific for each person I attach it to. It goes away when I close
>> the source itself so there is no fear of cluttering up your sources.
>>
>> Like Ron, I would refer to the Obituary when that obituary has identified
>> the information that I am recording: whether it is a name of a sibling,
>> address, or any other information. This 'Obituary' source I would then
>> consider one of the many sources I would gather when confirming
>> information
>> (that would be a Secondary type source, not a Primary type source).
>>
>> Nancy
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas
>> Herson
>> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 8:56 AM
>> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
>> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] A Question About Sourcing
>>
>> Thanks Nancy and Ron.
>>
>> With both your solutions, am I correct in assuming that the Master Source
>> would not identify the deceased or any other person who record uses that
>> source? Also, as most of my families have been local for centuries, there
>> have been hundreds of obituaries in the local newspaper over the years.
>> Wouldn't it get rather cluttered if the date and page number of each of
>> hundreds of obituaries were listed in the source detail?
>>
>> I do place the entire text of each obituary in the general notes section
>> of
>> the deceased, making sure that I also include the date of publication as
>> well as the name of the newspaper.
>>
>> My main concern is how to handle the situation where my source for a piece
>> of information about an individual other than the deceased comes from an
>> obituary.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tom Herson
>> Ithaca, NY
>> AIM HersonIthaca
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "ronald ferguson" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday

RE: [LegacyUG] A Question About Sourcing

[ronald ferguson]

Tom, Here you are hitting the difference between "lumpers" and "splitters". As 
I said, I am a lumper and use a very general Master eg. Obituaries with 
virtually nothing in all the other boxes. For each relevant Event I then add 
the details of the obituary in the Source Detail. Thus, if I had found the name 
of Edward Hayes in an Obituary then against his Name "Event" would be the 
Master Source "Obituary" and the Source Detail would carry the details "St 
Helens Journal 5 Oct. 1944 from St Helens Public Library". Splitters may well 
have separate Obituary Master Sources for each publication. There are numerous 
ways of doing this and ultimately the choice is yours. I do mix the methods up 
a bit when it makes life easier! WRT your last paragraph, as I mentioned in my 
last email just attach your Obituary Source (which ever way you have choosen) 
as the source for the particular individual comcerned. If the connection needs 
clarification then this can be inclded in the nates to the Source Detail. Ron 
Ferguson _ 
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_> From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com> Subject: Re: 
[LegacyUG] A Question About Sourcing> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 08:56:11 -0400>> 
Thanks Nancy and Ron.>> With both your solutions, am I correct in assuming that 
the Master Source> would not identify the deceased or any other person who 
record uses that> source? Also, as most of my families have been local for 
centuries, there> have been hundreds of obituaries in the local newspaper over 
the years.> Wouldn't it get rather cluttered if the date and page number of 
each of> hundreds of obituaries were listed in the source detail?>> I do place 
the entire text of each obituary in the general notes section of> the deceased, 
making sure that I also include the date of publication as> well as the name of 
the newspaper.>> My main concern is how to handle the situation where my source 
for a piece> of information about an individual other than the deceased comes 
from an> obituary.>> Thanks,>> Tom Herson> Ithaca, NY> AIM HersonIthaca> ----- 
Original Message -> From: "ronald ferguson"> To:> Sent: Friday, October 19, 
2007 8:33 AM> Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] A Question About Sourcing>>>> Tom,>> RE: 
your first question - that is nearly what I do. I have a Master Source> for 
*all* Obituaries and I put the name of the newspaper in the Details (but> I am 
a lumper!). There is nothing wrong with doing it the way you suggest.>> I have 
often found names (rather than residences) from Obituaries and as you> imply I 
use the Obituary Master Source as the source for the name. Similarly> if you 
use the Residence Event for the addresses then the Obituary Master> Source can 
be used as the source for this Event.>> Ron Ferguson> 
_>> For 
Genealogy, Software and Social visit:> http://www.fergys.co.uk> *Over 650 
Surnames from 11 Countries*> View the Grimshaw Family Tree at:> 
http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/> For The Fergusons of N.W. England See:> 
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/> 
_>> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 
LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com> Subject: [LegacyUG] A Question About 
Sourcing> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 07:54:24 -0400>> I'm assuming that it's not 
necessary to create a separate source for each> obituary as I did when I was 
using Family Tree Maker. Would an appropriate> Master Source title be: Obituary 
in ?>> When using the prior program I would often cite someone else's obituary 
as> the source for a piece of information, such as the current residence of a> 
child or other relative of the deceased. What would be an appropriate method> 
of doing this when using Legacy?>> Thank you,>> Tom Herson> Ithaca, NY> AIM 
HersonIthaca>> 
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Re: [LegacyUG] A Question About Sourcing

[Thomas Herson]

I think I'm getting this now. The Assigned Sources window for each 
individual has an option to Edit Detail. When I click on Edit Detail I do 
see the Source Detail . I now understand (I think) that the 
information I type on these tabs will show ONLY on a specific individual and 
not on ALL individuals tied to the Master Source. Right?


Now this leads to another question. Is there a way to input Source Detail 
other than going to an individuals Information Window and clicking on Edit 
Detail? In other words can you edit (or initially enter) the Source Detail 
for an individual at the same time you are creating a new Master Source or 
do you have to go back to the individual's Information Screen and click on 
Edit Detail AFTER you have created a new Master Source.?


Thanks! I think the next answer will then provide some relief from my 
postings :)


Tom Herson
Ithaca, NY
AIM  HersonIthaca
- Original Message - 
From: "Nancy A. Daniels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 9:29 AM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] A Question About Sourcing



Hi, Tom,

Yes, in my method, the Master Source does not identify any person the 
source

refers to.

The Source detail (that I enter with each separate Obituary, for example)
has all the details I would need to go find that source again in the 
future.

It is specific for each person I attach it to.  It goes away when I close
the source itself so there is no fear of cluttering up your sources.

Like Ron, I would refer to the Obituary when that obituary has identified
the information that I am recording:  whether it is a name of a sibling,
address, or any other information.  This 'Obituary' source I would then
consider one of the many sources I would gather when confirming 
information

(that would be a Secondary type source, not a Primary type source).

Nancy

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas
Herson
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 8:56 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] A Question About Sourcing

Thanks Nancy and Ron.

With both your solutions, am I correct in assuming that the Master Source
would not identify the deceased or any other person who record uses that
source? Also, as most of my families have been local for centuries, there
have been  hundreds of obituaries in the local newspaper over the years.
Wouldn't it get rather cluttered if the date and page number of each of
hundreds of obituaries were listed in the source detail?

I do place the entire text of each obituary in the general notes section 
of

the deceased, making sure that I also include the date of publication as
well as  the name of the newspaper.

My main concern is how to handle the situation where my source for a piece
of information about an individual other than the deceased comes from an
obituary.

Thanks,

Tom Herson
Ithaca, NY
AIM  HersonIthaca
- Original Message - 
From: "ronald ferguson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 8:33 AM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] A Question About Sourcing



Tom,

RE: your first question - that is nearly what I do. I have a Master Source
for *all* Obituaries and I put the name of the newspaper in the Details 
(but


I am a lumper!). There is nothing wrong with doing it the way you suggest.

I have often found names (rather than residences) from Obituaries and as 
you


imply I use the Obituary Master Source as the source for the name. 
Similarly


if you use the Residence Event for the addresses then the Obituary Master
Source can be used as the source for this Event.

Ron Ferguson
_

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http://www.fergys.co.uk
*Over 650 Surnames from 11 Countries*
View the Grimshaw Family Tree at:
http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/
For The Fergusons of N.W. England See:
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/
_


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] A Question About Sourcing
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 07:54:24 -0400

I'm assuming that it's not necessary to create a separate source for each
obituary as I did when I was using Family Tree Maker. Would an appropriate
Master Source title be: Obituary in  ?

When using the prior program I would often cite someone else's obituary as
the source for a piece of information, such as the current residence of a
child or other relative of the deceased. What would be an appropriate 
method


of doing this when using Legacy?

Thank you,

Tom Herson
Ithaca, NY
AIM  HersonIthaca


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RE: [LegacyUG] A Question About Sourcing

[Nancy A. Daniels]

Hi, Tom,

Yes, in my method, the Master Source does not identify any person the source
refers to.

The Source detail (that I enter with each separate Obituary, for example)
has all the details I would need to go find that source again in the future.
It is specific for each person I attach it to.  It goes away when I close
the source itself so there is no fear of cluttering up your sources.

Like Ron, I would refer to the Obituary when that obituary has identified
the information that I am recording:  whether it is a name of a sibling,
address, or any other information.  This 'Obituary' source I would then
consider one of the many sources I would gather when confirming information
(that would be a Secondary type source, not a Primary type source).

Nancy

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas
Herson
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 8:56 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] A Question About Sourcing

Thanks Nancy and Ron.

With both your solutions, am I correct in assuming that the Master Source 
would not identify the deceased or any other person who record uses that 
source? Also, as most of my families have been local for centuries, there 
have been  hundreds of obituaries in the local newspaper over the years. 
Wouldn't it get rather cluttered if the date and page number of each of 
hundreds of obituaries were listed in the source detail?

I do place the entire text of each obituary in the general notes section of 
the deceased, making sure that I also include the date of publication as 
well as  the name of the newspaper.

My main concern is how to handle the situation where my source for a piece 
of information about an individual other than the deceased comes from an 
obituary.

Thanks,

Tom Herson
Ithaca, NY
AIM  HersonIthaca
- Original Message - 
From: "ronald ferguson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 8:33 AM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] A Question About Sourcing



Tom,

RE: your first question - that is nearly what I do. I have a Master Source 
for *all* Obituaries and I put the name of the newspaper in the Details (but

I am a lumper!). There is nothing wrong with doing it the way you suggest.

I have often found names (rather than residences) from Obituaries and as you

imply I use the Obituary Master Source as the source for the name. Similarly

if you use the Residence Event for the addresses then the Obituary Master 
Source can be used as the source for this Event.

Ron Ferguson
_

For Genealogy, Software and Social visit:
http://www.fergys.co.uk
*Over 650 Surnames from 11 Countries*
View the Grimshaw Family Tree at:
http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/
For The Fergusons of N.W. England See:
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/
_


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] A Question About Sourcing
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 07:54:24 -0400

I'm assuming that it's not necessary to create a separate source for each 
obituary as I did when I was using Family Tree Maker. Would an appropriate 
Master Source title be: Obituary in  ?

When using the prior program I would often cite someone else's obituary as 
the source for a piece of information, such as the current residence of a 
child or other relative of the deceased. What would be an appropriate method

of doing this when using Legacy?

Thank you,

Tom Herson
Ithaca, NY
AIM  HersonIthaca


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Re: [LegacyUG] A Question About Sourcing

[Thomas Herson]

Thanks Nancy and Ron.

With both your solutions, am I correct in assuming that the Master Source 
would not identify the deceased or any other person who record uses that 
source? Also, as most of my families have been local for centuries, there 
have been  hundreds of obituaries in the local newspaper over the years. 
Wouldn't it get rather cluttered if the date and page number of each of 
hundreds of obituaries were listed in the source detail?


I do place the entire text of each obituary in the general notes section of 
the deceased, making sure that I also include the date of publication as 
well as  the name of the newspaper.


My main concern is how to handle the situation where my source for a piece 
of information about an individual other than the deceased comes from an 
obituary.


Thanks,

Tom Herson
Ithaca, NY
AIM  HersonIthaca
- Original Message - 
From: "ronald ferguson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 8:33 AM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] A Question About Sourcing



Tom,

RE: your first question - that is nearly what I do. I have a Master Source 
for *all* Obituaries and I put the name of the newspaper in the Details (but 
I am a lumper!). There is nothing wrong with doing it the way you suggest.


I have often found names (rather than residences) from Obituaries and as you 
imply I use the Obituary Master Source as the source for the name. Similarly 
if you use the Residence Event for the addresses then the Obituary Master 
Source can be used as the source for this Event.


Ron Ferguson
_

For Genealogy, Software and Social visit:
http://www.fergys.co.uk
*Over 650 Surnames from 11 Countries*
View the Grimshaw Family Tree at:
http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/
For The Fergusons of N.W. England See:
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/
_


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] A Question About Sourcing
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 07:54:24 -0400

I'm assuming that it's not necessary to create a separate source for each 
obituary as I did when I was using Family Tree Maker. Would an appropriate 
Master Source title be: Obituary in  ?


When using the prior program I would often cite someone else's obituary as 
the source for a piece of information, such as the current residence of a 
child or other relative of the deceased. What would be an appropriate method 
of doing this when using Legacy?


Thank you,

Tom Herson
Ithaca, NY
AIM  HersonIthaca


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RE: [LegacyUG] A Question About Sourcing

[ronald ferguson]

Tom,

RE: your first question - that is nearly what I do. I have a Master Source for 
*all* Obituaries and I put the name of the newspaper in the Details (but I am a 
lumper!). There is nothing wrong with doing it the way you suggest.

I have often found names (rather than residences) from Obituaries and as you 
imply I use the Obituary Master Source as the source for the name. Similarly if 
you use the Residence Event for the addresses then the Obituary Master Source 
can be used as the source for this Event.

Ron Ferguson
_

For Genealogy, Software and Social visit:
http://www.fergys.co.uk
*Over 650 Surnames from 11 Countries*
View the Grimshaw Family Tree at:
http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/
For The Fergusons of N.W. England See:
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/
_


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] A Question About Sourcing
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 07:54:24 -0400

I'm assuming that it's not necessary to create a separate source for each 
obituary as I did when I was using Family Tree Maker. Would an appropriate 
Master Source title be: Obituary in  ?

When using the prior program I would often cite someone else's obituary as the 
source for a piece of information, such as the current residence of a child or 
other relative of the deceased. What would be an appropriate method of doing 
this when using Legacy?

Thank you,

Tom Herson
Ithaca, NY
AIM  HersonIthaca


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RE: [LegacyUG] A Question About Sourcing

[Nancy A. Daniels]

I often make a Master Source such as you suggest:  Obituary in .  Then when I actually use that Master Source, I write all the
details (date, page number etc) in the Source Detail.  It works the same way
for a census reference.  Master Source:   1880 US Federal Census  Source
detail includes the roll #, page #, ED and Image and reference to where I
found it (such as Ancestry.com).

 

Nancy A. Daniels

Cape Cod, MA

 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas
Herson
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 7:54 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] A Question About Sourcing

 

I'm assuming that it's not necessary to create a separate source for each
obituary as I did when I was using Family Tree Maker. Would an appropriate
Master Source title be: Obituary in  ?

 

When using the prior program I would often cite someone else's obituary as
the source for a piece of information, such as the current residence of a
child or other relative of the deceased. What would be an appropriate method
of doing this when using Legacy?

 

Thank you,

 

Tom Herson
Ithaca, NY
AIM  HersonIthaca

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[LegacyUG] A Question About Sourcing

[Thomas Herson]

I'm assuming that it's not necessary to create a separate source for each 
obituary as I did when I was using Family Tree Maker. Would an appropriate 
Master Source title be: Obituary in  ?

When using the prior program I would often cite someone else's obituary as the 
source for a piece of information, such as the current residence of a child or 
other relative of the deceased. What would be an appropriate method of doing 
this when using Legacy?

Thank you,

Tom Herson
Ithaca, NY
AIM  HersonIthaca




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