Re: [LegacyUG] Death location
In keeping with standard locations I'm wondering if I could consider the ship as the city, leave the county and state fields blank, and use South Atlantic for the country. At least that way it would sort properly. Then in the notes I could give the details. Perhaps I'm being too critical. Jim On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 2:16 AM, Kramer kramer...@comcast.net wrote: We just had a cremation and possible private burial on farmland that I want to verify so I'm ready to do one of those too. This is how I would do it. In the Burial Notes or maybe burial location, I would mention buried at sea and which water area if that is what happened. In Death Notes I would mention that the death took place aboard a ship in the South Atlantic or whatever the situation is. With regard to cremation, I would note the cremation in the death notes if necessary, but I find burial more important. Since there are so many people scattering ashes to the wind, it will be very difficult for genealogists in the future. For the sake of locating the burial location, if given a choice, I would choose to note the burial location. The date of cremation is not an issue to me. Death and burial are the important things, just like the date of embalming is not noted. I would only use cremation date to note that we won't be able to find a burial spot due to a different disposal (gee, not very reverent) of the remains. Whether cremated or embalmed, if burial takes place, that takes precedence. If there is no burial, then I would note cremation to show that no burial took place. Ellen Kramer Researching and loving Dorman, Kramer, Mirarchi, Procopio, Renninger and Staudt-Stoudt-Stout families On Oct 9, 2009, at 10:34 PM, William H. Boswell wrote: I was wondering the same thing and am glad somebody asked it. I have a twist on one person: the person donated his body to a medical school, then was cremated. No idea where the cremains were buried. I noticed you can't select both cremated and burial. It's either one or the other. I think I have a separate event for cremations. Bill Boswell -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Jim Walton Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:21 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Death location I have an uncle who died aboard ship during WW II. What do I put as his death location? I currently have Aboard ship in South Atlantic. On a similar topic, what to do about cremation. They are cremated and buried, but not necessarily on the same day. Do you just select cremated and then use the date and place of burial? I guess the cremation could be entered as an event, and then the burial record entered for burial. I really don't think it's a critical issue, but I'm curious how others are handling this. Jim Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Death location
Jim, It is your database, so you can do as you wish. Nevertheless what you are suggesting would be incorrect. The usual way is to include at sea and, if one knows, it the name of the sea. I have a few of these and they sort fine at or near the start of the list: At sea, The English Channel, At Sea, The Atlantic Ocean etc. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ - Original Message - From: Jim Walton To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: 12 October 2009 07:15 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Death location In keeping with standard locations I'm wondering if I could consider the ship as the city, leave the county and state fields blank, and use South Atlantic for the country. At least that way it would sort properly. Then in the notes I could give the details. Perhaps I'm being too critical. Jim On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 2:16 AM, Kramer kramer...@comcast.net wrote: We just had a cremation and possible private burial on farmland that I want to verify so I'm ready to do one of those too. This is how I would do it. In the Burial Notes or maybe burial location, I would mention buried at sea and which water area if that is what happened. In Death Notes I would mention that the death took place aboard a ship in the South Atlantic or whatever the situation is. With regard to cremation, I would note the cremation in the death notes if necessary, but I find burial more important. Since there are so many people scattering ashes to the wind, it will be very difficult for genealogists in the future. For the sake of locating the burial location, if given a choice, I would choose to note the burial location. The date of cremation is not an issue to me. Death and burial are the important things, just like the date of embalming is not noted. I would only use cremation date to note that we won't be able to find a burial spot due to a different disposal (gee, not very reverent) of the remains. Whether cremated or embalmed, if burial takes place, that takes precedence. If there is no burial, then I would note cremation to show that no burial took place. Ellen Kramer Researching and loving Dorman, Kramer, Mirarchi, Procopio, Renninger and Staudt-Stoudt-Stout families On Oct 9, 2009, at 10:34 PM, William H. Boswell wrote: I was wondering the same thing and am glad somebody asked it. I have a twist on one person: the person donated his body to a medical school, then was cremated. No idea where the cremains were buried. I noticed you can't select both cremated and burial. It's either one or the other. I think I have a separate event for cremations. Bill Boswell -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Jim Walton Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:21 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Death location I have an uncle who died aboard ship during WW II. What do I put as his death location? I currently have Aboard ship in South Atlantic. On a similar topic, what to do about cremation. They are cremated and buried, but not necessarily on the same day. Do you just select cremated and then use the date and place of burial? I guess the cremation could be entered as an event, and then the burial record entered for burial. I really don't think it's a critical issue, but I'm curious how others are handling this. Jim Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.9/2428 - Release Date: 10/11/09 06:39:00 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http
Re: [LegacyUG] Death location
Thanks, Ron, that's what I was looking for. Jim On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Ron Ferguson rnldfe...@tiscali.co.ukwrote: Jim, It is your database, so you can do as you wish. Nevertheless what you are suggesting would be incorrect. The usual way is to include at sea and, if one knows, it the name of the sea. I have a few of these and they sort fine at or near the start of the list: At sea, The English Channel, At Sea, The Atlantic Ocean etc. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ - Original Message - *From:* Jim Walton jimwalt...@gmail.com *To:* LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com *Sent:* 12 October 2009 07:15 *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Death location In keeping with standard locations I'm wondering if I could consider the ship as the city, leave the county and state fields blank, and use South Atlantic for the country. At least that way it would sort properly. Then in the notes I could give the details. Perhaps I'm being too critical. Jim On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 2:16 AM, Kramer kramer...@comcast.net wrote: We just had a cremation and possible private burial on farmland that I want to verify so I'm ready to do one of those too. This is how I would do it. In the Burial Notes or maybe burial location, I would mention buried at sea and which water area if that is what happened. In Death Notes I would mention that the death took place aboard a ship in the South Atlantic or whatever the situation is. With regard to cremation, I would note the cremation in the death notes if necessary, but I find burial more important. Since there are so many people scattering ashes to the wind, it will be very difficult for genealogists in the future. For the sake of locating the burial location, if given a choice, I would choose to note the burial location. The date of cremation is not an issue to me. Death and burial are the important things, just like the date of embalming is not noted. I would only use cremation date to note that we won't be able to find a burial spot due to a different disposal (gee, not very reverent) of the remains. Whether cremated or embalmed, if burial takes place, that takes precedence. If there is no burial, then I would note cremation to show that no burial took place. Ellen Kramer Researching and loving Dorman, Kramer, Mirarchi, Procopio, Renninger and Staudt-Stoudt-Stout families On Oct 9, 2009, at 10:34 PM, William H. Boswell wrote: I was wondering the same thing and am glad somebody asked it. I have a twist on one person: the person donated his body to a medical school, then was cremated. No idea where the cremains were buried. I noticed you can't select both cremated and burial. It's either one or the other. I think I have a separate event for cremations. Bill Boswell -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Jim Walton Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:21 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Death location I have an uncle who died aboard ship during WW II. What do I put as his death location? I currently have Aboard ship in South Atlantic. On a similar topic, what to do about cremation. They are cremated and buried, but not necessarily on the same day. Do you just select cremated and then use the date and place of burial? I guess the cremation could be entered as an event, and then the burial record entered for burial. I really don't think it's a critical issue, but I'm curious how others are handling this. Jim Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.9/2428 - Release Date: 10/11/09 06:39:00 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
Re: [LegacyUG] Death Location
On Oct 11, 2009, at 11:35 AM, howlanddavi...@aol.com wrote: Roxanne and others In a message dated 10/11/2009 11:12:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, maighe...@yahoo.com writes: I had to laugh when I read this; my mom donated her body to the University of Rochester. After a year or so, her cremains were returned to us. She currently resides under my sister's couch. I've left the Legacy burial information blank. It's interesting to see that others have similar problems. My father-in-law's cremains are on a wall shelf in my wife's studio while we try to figure out where to bury or scatter them (WV where he was born; OH (where he lived for many years or MO where a grandson lives who might visit the grave). At that point, information will be entered into Legacy as to disposition. Someone that I met recently waited over a year to bury her husband's cremains because she did not like the setting at a nearby National Cemetery and they told her to wait a year until another section would be started. Howland Davis I have heard many people say how they use the burial date to substantiate the death date. It will be really hard years from now to verify things like this. Maybe these situations will help us to convince others to deal with cremains more quickly and reverently. How horrible to think of spending eternity under a sofa or getting destroyed in the trunk of a car during an accident! I wonder if some people get tired of having the cremains around and eventually throw them in the trash. I wouldn't be surprised in some cases. What if the car were sold with the cremains still there? I think I'd want to know what happened with the remains, but certainly they should be given a respectful proper burial. This is the reason why the Catholic Church delayed approval of cremation for so long. Now they say that cremation may only be done if the person still believes in the resurrection of the body and provided that a quick and reverent burial be done. I never liked cremation and really didn't like it when I heard that the larger bones don't burn up and are thrown away. Now I'm dead set again it. Pun intended. Ellen Kramer Researching and loving Dorman, Kramer, Mirarchi, Procopio, Renninger and Staudt-Stoudt-Stout families Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Death Location
Ellen: Please refrain from hijacking this thread to espouse your religious views. Thank you! Marilyn --- On Sun, 10/11/09, Kramer kramer...@comcast.net wrote: From: Kramer kramer...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Death Location To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 12:14 PM On Oct 11, 2009, at 11:35 AM, howlanddavi...@aol.com wrote: Roxanne and others In a message dated 10/11/2009 11:12:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, maighe...@yahoo.com writes: I had to laugh when I read this; my mom donated her body to the University of Rochester. After a year or so, her cremains were returned to us. She currently resides under my sister's couch. I've left the Legacy burial information blank. It's interesting to see that others have similar problems. My father-in-law's cremains are on a wall shelf in my wife's studio while we try to figure out where to bury or scatter them (WV where he was born; OH (where he lived for many years or MO where a grandson lives who might visit the grave). At that point, information will be entered into Legacy as to disposition. Someone that I met recently waited over a year to bury her husband's cremains because she did not like the setting at a nearby National Cemetery and they told her to wait a year until another section would be started. Howland Davis I have heard many people say how they use the burial date to substantiate the death date. It will be really hard years from now to verify things like this. Maybe these situations will help us to convince others to deal with cremains more quickly and reverently. How horrible to think of spending eternity under a sofa or getting destroyed in the trunk of a car during an accident! I wonder if some people get tired of having the cremains around and eventually throw them in the trash. I wouldn't be surprised in some cases. What if the car were sold with the cremains still there? I think I'd want to know what happened with the remains, but certainly they should be given a respectful proper burial. This is the reason why the Catholic Church delayed approval of cremation for so long. Now they say that cremation may only be done if the person still believes in the resurrection of the body and provided that a quick and reverent burial be done. I never liked cremation and really didn't like it when I heard that the larger bones don't burn up and are thrown away. Now I'm dead set again it. Pun intended. Ellen Kramer Researching and loving Dorman, Kramer, Mirarchi, Procopio, Renninger and Staudt-Stoudt-Stout families Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Death Location
Lighten up, Marilyn. She is stating facts, not her religious views. One day, you'll say something that someone else doesn't like. Where is your tolerance. This is America. Ruth - Original Message - From: Marilyn Clark paddypeppe...@yahoo.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Death Location Ellen: Please refrain from hijacking this thread to espouse your religious views. Thank you! Marilyn --- On Sun, 10/11/09, Kramer kramer...@comcast.net wrote: From: Kramer kramer...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Death Location To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 12:14 PM On Oct 11, 2009, at 11:35 AM, howlanddavi...@aol.com wrote: Roxanne and others In a message dated 10/11/2009 11:12:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, maighe...@yahoo.com writes: I had to laugh when I read this; my mom donated her body to the University of Rochester. After a year or so, her cremains were returned to us. She currently resides under my sister's couch. I've left the Legacy burial information blank. It's interesting to see that others have similar problems. My father-in-law's cremains are on a wall shelf in my wife's studio while we try to figure out where to bury or scatter them (WV where he was born; OH (where he lived for many years or MO where a grandson lives who might visit the grave). At that point, information will be entered into Legacy as to disposition. Someone that I met recently waited over a year to bury her husband's cremains because she did not like the setting at a nearby National Cemetery and they told her to wait a year until another section would be started. Howland Davis I have heard many people say how they use the burial date to substantiate the death date. It will be really hard years from now to verify things like this. Maybe these situations will help us to convince others to deal with cremains more quickly and reverently. How horrible to think of spending eternity under a sofa or getting destroyed in the trunk of a car during an accident! I wonder if some people get tired of having the cremains around and eventually throw them in the trash. I wouldn't be surprised in some cases. What if the car were sold with the cremains still there? I think I'd want to know what happened with the remains, but certainly they should be given a respectful proper burial. This is the reason why the Catholic Church delayed approval of cremation for so long. Now they say that cremation may only be done if the person still believes in the resurrection of the body and provided that a quick and reverent burial be done. I never liked cremation and really didn't like it when I heard that the larger bones don't burn up and are thrown away. Now I'm dead set again it. Pun intended. Ellen Kramer Researching and loving Dorman, Kramer, Mirarchi, Procopio, Renninger and Staudt-Stoudt-Stout families Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Death Location
One thing for sure: Ellen is NOT stating facts! Marilyn is right; Ellen's views on cremation have no place on this thread or user list. On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 8:13 AM, Ruth Nerud baber...@worldnet.att.netwrote: Lighten up, Marilyn. She is stating facts, not her religious views. One day, you'll say something that someone else doesn't like. Where is your tolerance. This is America. Ruth - Original Message - From: Marilyn Clark paddypeppe...@yahoo.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Death Location Ellen: Please refrain from hijacking this thread to espouse your religious views. Thank you! Marilyn --- On Sun, 10/11/09, Kramer kramer...@comcast.net wrote: From: Kramer kramer...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Death Location To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 12:14 PM On Oct 11, 2009, at 11:35 AM, howlanddavi...@aol.com wrote: Roxanne and others In a message dated 10/11/2009 11:12:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, maighe...@yahoo.com writes: I had to laugh when I read this; my mom donated her body to the University of Rochester. After a year or so, her cremains were returned to us. She currently resides under my sister's couch. I've left the Legacy burial information blank. It's interesting to see that others have similar problems. My father-in-law's cremains are on a wall shelf in my wife's studio while we try to figure out where to bury or scatter them (WV where he was born; OH (where he lived for many years or MO where a grandson lives who might visit the grave). At that point, information will be entered into Legacy as to disposition. Someone that I met recently waited over a year to bury her husband's cremains because she did not like the setting at a nearby National Cemetery and they told her to wait a year until another section would be started. Howland Davis I have heard many people say how they use the burial date to substantiate the death date. It will be really hard years from now to verify things like this. Maybe these situations will help us to convince others to deal with cremains more quickly and reverently. How horrible to think of spending eternity under a sofa or getting destroyed in the trunk of a car during an accident! I wonder if some people get tired of having the cremains around and eventually throw them in the trash. I wouldn't be surprised in some cases. What if the car were sold with the cremains still there? I think I'd want to know what happened with the remains, but certainly they should be given a respectful proper burial. This is the reason why the Catholic Church delayed approval of cremation for so long. Now they say that cremation may only be done if the person still believes in the resurrection of the body and provided that a quick and reverent burial be done. I never liked cremation and really didn't like it when I heard that the larger bones don't burn up and are thrown away. Now I'm dead set again it. Pun intended. Ellen Kramer Researching and loving Dorman, Kramer, Mirarchi, Procopio, Renninger and Staudt-Stoudt-Stout families Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Death Location
Okey-dokey. I'm sorry if I've caused more hard feelings. I'll keep my mouth shut - oh, I mean my fingers quiet. Ruth - Original Message - From: Frank Saragosa To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Death Location One thing for sure: Ellen is NOT stating facts! Marilyn is right; Ellen's views on cremation have no place on this thread or user list. On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 8:13 AM, Ruth Nerud baber...@worldnet.att.net wrote: Lighten up, Marilyn. She is stating facts, not her religious views. One day, you'll say something that someone else doesn't like. Where is your tolerance. This is America. Ruth - Original Message - From: Marilyn Clark paddypeppe...@yahoo.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Death Location Ellen: Please refrain from hijacking this thread to espouse your religious views. Thank you! Marilyn --- On Sun, 10/11/09, Kramer kramer...@comcast.net wrote: From: Kramer kramer...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Death Location To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 12:14 PM On Oct 11, 2009, at 11:35 AM, howlanddavi...@aol.com wrote: Roxanne and others In a message dated 10/11/2009 11:12:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, maighe...@yahoo.com writes: I had to laugh when I read this; my mom donated her body to the University of Rochester. After a year or so, her cremains were returned to us. She currently resides under my sister's couch. I've left the Legacy burial information blank. It's interesting to see that others have similar problems. My father-in-law's cremains are on a wall shelf in my wife's studio while we try to figure out where to bury or scatter them (WV where he was born; OH (where he lived for many years or MO where a grandson lives who might visit the grave). At that point, information will be entered into Legacy as to disposition. Someone that I met recently waited over a year to bury her husband's cremains because she did not like the setting at a nearby National Cemetery and they told her to wait a year until another section would be started. Howland Davis I have heard many people say how they use the burial date to substantiate the death date. It will be really hard years from now to verify things like this. Maybe these situations will help us to convince others to deal with cremains more quickly and reverently. How horrible to think of spending eternity under a sofa or getting destroyed in the trunk of a car during an accident! I wonder if some people get tired of having the cremains around and eventually throw them in the trash. I wouldn't be surprised in some cases. What if the car were sold with the cremains still there? I think I'd want to know what happened with the remains, but certainly they should be given a respectful proper burial. This is the reason why the Catholic Church delayed approval of cremation for so long. Now they say that cremation may only be done if the person still believes in the resurrection of the body and provided that a quick and reverent burial be done. I never liked cremation and really didn't like it when I heard that the larger bones don't burn up and are thrown away. Now I'm dead set again it. Pun intended. Ellen Kramer Researching and loving Dorman, Kramer, Mirarchi, Procopio, Renninger and Staudt-Stoudt-Stout families Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online
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Ruth Nerud wrote: Lighten up, Marilyn. She is stating facts, not her religious views. One day, you'll say something that someone else doesn't like. Where is your tolerance. This is America. Ruth I agree with what you're trying to say, Ruth, but, this is not America. It's the Internet and it covers more of the world than just the USA. In response to what Marilyn said - There are varying degrees of tolerance around the world. What is acceptable in the US may not be acceptable elsewhere and vice versa. As a result, Marilyn, you must be very careful when you start to attack or deride someone's religious beliefs. -- Best regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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This group is the worse for certain people assuming the position of list manager. I am tired of it and will now unsubscribe. Lloyd In a message dated 10/12/2009 11:29:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, fsarag...@gmail.com writes: One thing for sure: Ellen is NOT stating facts! Marilyn is right; Ellen's views on cremation have no place on this thread or user list. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Even though I was raised a Catholic, I'm not thrilled with the idea of cremation either. After witnessing one in the basement of a funeral home, the remaining bones were broken up with a sledge hammer and the smaller pieces were put in with the other remains. The rest were put somewhere and probably ended up in the garbage. -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Kramer Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 2:15 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Death Location On Oct 11, 2009, at 11:35 AM, howlanddavi...@aol.com wrote: Roxanne and others In a message dated 10/11/2009 11:12:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, maighe...@yahoo.com writes: I had to laugh when I read this; my mom donated her body to the University of Rochester. After a year or so, her cremains were returned to us. She currently resides under my sister's couch. I've left the Legacy burial information blank. It's interesting to see that others have similar problems. My father-in-law's cremains are on a wall shelf in my wife's studio while we try to figure out where to bury or scatter them (WV where he was born; OH (where he lived for many years or MO where a grandson lives who might visit the grave). At that point, information will be entered into Legacy as to disposition. Someone that I met recently waited over a year to bury her husband's cremains because she did not like the setting at a nearby National Cemetery and they told her to wait a year until another section would be started. Howland Davis I have heard many people say how they use the burial date to substantiate the death date. It will be really hard years from now to verify things like this. Maybe these situations will help us to convince others to deal with cremains more quickly and reverently. How horrible to think of spending eternity under a sofa or getting destroyed in the trunk of a car during an accident! I wonder if some people get tired of having the cremains around and eventually throw them in the trash. I wouldn't be surprised in some cases. What if the car were sold with the cremains still there? I think I'd want to know what happened with the remains, but certainly they should be given a respectful proper burial. This is the reason why the Catholic Church delayed approval of cremation for so long. Now they say that cremation may only be done if the person still believes in the resurrection of the body and provided that a quick and reverent burial be done. I never liked cremation and really didn't like it when I heard that the larger bones don't burn up and are thrown away. Now I'm dead set again it. Pun intended. Ellen Kramer Researching and loving Dorman, Kramer, Mirarchi, Procopio, Renninger and Staudt-Stoudt-Stout families Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Bye. On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 1:01 PM, lhit...@aol.com wrote: This group is the worse for certain people assuming the position of list manager. I am tired of it and will now unsubscribe. Lloyd In a message dated 10/12/2009 11:29:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, fsarag...@gmail.com writes: One thing for sure: Ellen is NOT stating facts! Marilyn is right; Ellen's views on cremation have no place on this thread or user list. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asphttp://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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I had to laugh when I read this... my mom donated her body to the University of Rochester. After a year or so, her cremains were returned to us. She currently resides under my sister's couch. I've left the Legacy burial information blank. Roxanne Baird --- On Sat, 10/10/09, Mike Fry mike...@iafrica.com wrote: From: Mike Fry mike...@iafrica.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Death location To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Saturday, October 10, 2009, 6:09 AM William H. Boswell wrote: I was wondering the same thing and am glad somebody asked it. I have a twist on one person: the person donated his body to a medical school, then was cremated. No idea where the cremains were buried. In that case, enter the death details as normal. Leave the burial/cremation details blank. Create an event for the disposal of the body. I noticed you can't select both cremated and burial. It's either one or the other. I think I have a separate event for cremations. A body is normally either buried or cremated. So, death details apply as usual. Change the Burial/Cremation details to read Cremation and enter the date and details. Then, either enter the interment details in the Notes for the Cremation or, create an event as in former case. -- Best regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Roxanne, I've got a better story. When I was 19 years old I came from college for the summer of 1970. For some reason not remembered, I was using my step-mother's car and opened the trunk. There was a flight bag there and being curious I unzipped it. Lo and behold! There were my mother's ashes in their sealed urn! Why my Dad put them there I don't know, but when I told my step-mom, she nearly flipped! She had been driving all over San Diego with the first wife's cremations in the back end for who knows how long! I urged my Dad to respectfully find a less mobile resting place for my mother. Permanent disposition unknown to me to this day. Thank you for choosing Legacy, Jim Terry Technical Support Legacy Family Tree Legacy Charting http://LegacyFamilyTree.com Phone: 425 788-0932 We are changing the world of genealogy! -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com] On Behalf Of Roxanne Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 8:10 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Death location I had to laugh when I read this... my mom donated her body to the University of Rochester. After a year or so, her cremains were returned to us. She currently resides under my sister's couch. I've left the Legacy burial information blank. Roxanne Baird --- On Sat, 10/10/09, Mike Fry mike...@iafrica.com wrote: From: Mike Fry mike...@iafrica.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Death location To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Date: Saturday, October 10, 2009, 6:09 AM William H. Boswell wrote: I was wondering the same thing and am glad somebody asked it. I have a twist on one person: the person donated his body to a medical school, then was cremated. No idea where the cremains were buried. In that case, enter the death details as normal. Leave the burial/cremation details blank. Create an event for the disposal of the body. I noticed you can't select both cremated and burial. It's either one or the other. I think I have a separate event for cremations. A body is normally either buried or cremated. So, death details apply as usual. Change the Burial/Cremation details to read Cremation and enter the date and details. Then, either enter the interment details in the Notes for the Cremation or, create an event as in former case. -- Best regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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My aunt did the same thing - donated her body - cremains were returned to my cousin - she took her mother to lunch with a friend. Now her brother has their mother for a visit. Eventually she'll be buried next to my uncle, but in the meantime :) ;) burial place is empty. Ruth A. (Sconza Testa) Nerud baber...@worldnet.att.net - Original Message - From: Roxanne maighe...@yahoo.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Death location I had to laugh when I read this... my mom donated her body to the University of Rochester. After a year or so, her cremains were returned to us. She currently resides under my sister's couch. I've left the Legacy burial information blank. Roxanne Baird Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Roxanne and others In a message dated 10/11/2009 11:12:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, maighe...@yahoo.com writes: I had to laugh when I read this; my mom donated her body to the University of Rochester. After a year or so, her cremains were returned to us. She currently resides under my sister's couch. I've left the Legacy burial information blank. It's interesting to see that others have similar problems. My father-in-law's cremains are on a wall shelf in my wife's studio while we try to figure out where to bury or scatter them (WV where he was born; OH (where he lived for many years or MO where a grandson lives who might visit the grave). At that point, information will be entered into Legacy as to disposition. Someone that I met recently waited over a year to bury her husband's cremains because she did not like the setting at a nearby National Cemetery and they told her to wait a year until another section would be started. Howland Davis Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Wow, so many great stories. We should put them in the notes section. My Dad had Alzheimer's and loved to go for a ride every day. My Mom took care of him till the last month. When he was cremated she put the box with the spare tire under the back floor of the station wagon. He is still there 2 years later, waiting for my Mom. I will get to put ashes where they wanted and a stone in a 100 yr old family plot with extra room. Leslie Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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We just had a cremation and possible private burial on farmland that I want to verify so I'm ready to do one of those too. This is how I would do it. In the Burial Notes or maybe burial location, I would mention buried at sea and which water area if that is what happened. In Death Notes I would mention that the death took place aboard a ship in the South Atlantic or whatever the situation is. With regard to cremation, I would note the cremation in the death notes if necessary, but I find burial more important. Since there are so many people scattering ashes to the wind, it will be very difficult for genealogists in the future. For the sake of locating the burial location, if given a choice, I would choose to note the burial location. The date of cremation is not an issue to me. Death and burial are the important things, just like the date of embalming is not noted. I would only use cremation date to note that we won't be able to find a burial spot due to a different disposal (gee, not very reverent) of the remains. Whether cremated or embalmed, if burial takes place, that takes precedence. If there is no burial, then I would note cremation to show that no burial took place. Ellen Kramer Researching and loving Dorman, Kramer, Mirarchi, Procopio, Renninger and Staudt-Stoudt-Stout families On Oct 9, 2009, at 10:34 PM, William H. Boswell wrote: I was wondering the same thing and am glad somebody asked it. I have a twist on one person: the person donated his body to a medical school, then was cremated. No idea where the cremains were buried. I noticed you can't select both cremated and burial. It's either one or the other. I think I have a separate event for cremations. Bill Boswell -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Jim Walton Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:21 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Death location I have an uncle who died aboard ship during WW II. What do I put as his death location? I currently have Aboard ship in South Atlantic. On a similar topic, what to do about cremation. They are cremated and buried, but not necessarily on the same day. Do you just select cremated and then use the date and place of burial? I guess the cremation could be entered as an event, and then the burial record entered for burial. I really don't think it's a critical issue, but I'm curious how others are handling this. Jim Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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Ellen, I am not at all certain that I accept your priorities regarding dates. The date of death, at least since 1837 in the UK, is always recorded in the Government BMD lists, prior to that date very often one would only find the date of burial in the parish registers and not the date of death. Cremations only started to become common in the late 19c early 20c, and these dates are recorded in the crematorium records and are, therefore, available (perhaps subject to restrictions). However, the dates on which ashes are scattered to the winds are not, nor would the dates on which they may be scattered on a grave. I am not sure about a date of burial in the event of the casket being buried in a family plot. It rather seems to me that the date of the initial way in which the body is disposed is, therefore, the date which should always take precidence, after the date of death, of course. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ Kramer wrote: We just had a cremation and possible private burial on farmland that I want to verify so I'm ready to do one of those too. This is how I would do it. In the Burial Notes or maybe burial location, I would mention buried at sea and which water area if that is what happened. In Death Notes I would mention that the death took place aboard a ship in the South Atlantic or whatever the situation is. With regard to cremation, I would note the cremation in the death notes if necessary, but I find burial more important. Since there are so many people scattering ashes to the wind, it will be very difficult for genealogists in the future. For the sake of locating the burial location, if given a choice, I would choose to note the burial location. The date of cremation is not an issue to me. Death and burial are the important things, just like the date of embalming is not noted. I would only use cremation date to note that we won't be able to find a burial spot due to a different disposal (gee, not very reverent) of the remains. Whether cremated or embalmed, if burial takes place, that takes precedence. If there is no burial, then I would note cremation to show that no burial took place. Ellen Kramer Researching and loving Dorman, Kramer, Mirarchi, Procopio, Renninger and Staudt-Stoudt-Stout families On Oct 9, 2009, at 10:34 PM, William H. Boswell wrote: I was wondering the same thing and am glad somebody asked it. I have a twist on one person: the person donated his body to a medical school, then was cremated. No idea where the cremains were buried. I noticed you can't select both cremated and burial. It's either one or the other. I think I have a separate event for cremations. Bill Boswell -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Jim Walton Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:21 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Death location I have an uncle who died aboard ship during WW II. What do I put as his death location? I currently have Aboard ship in South Atlantic. On a similar topic, what to do about cremation. They are cremated and buried, but not necessarily on the same day. Do you just select cremated and then use the date and place of burial? I guess the cremation could be entered as an event, and then the burial record entered for burial. I really don't think it's a critical issue, but I'm curious how others are handling this. Jim Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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William H. Boswell wrote: I was wondering the same thing and am glad somebody asked it. I have a twist on one person: the person donated his body to a medical school, then was cremated. No idea where the cremains were buried. In that case, enter the death details as normal. Leave the burial/cremation details blank. Create an event for the disposal of the body. I noticed you can't select both cremated and burial. It's either one or the other. I think I have a separate event for cremations. A body is normally either buried or cremated. So, death details apply as usual. Change the Burial/Cremation details to read Cremation and enter the date and details. Then, either enter the interment details in the Notes for the Cremation or, create an event as in former case. -- Best regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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If the cremains are later interred, you can do a cemetery event which is what I do for buried people to. died 04 Jun 1925 buried (or cremated) 06 Jun 1925 then event... Cemetery Belluvue Cemetery 25 Jun 1025 , Columbia Co, GA and in the notes I can write something like... The family had a special memorial ceremony at graveside and buried the cremains. [just a made up example] Even if a person is NOT cremated and is just buried, I have a date for the death, a date for the burial, and cemetery info. In this care the date of burial and the cemetery date will be the same but it doesn't have to be. michele - Original Message - From: Mike Fry mike...@iafrica.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Death location William H. Boswell wrote: I was wondering the same thing and am glad somebody asked it. I have a twist on one person: the person donated his body to a medical school, then was cremated. No idea where the cremains were buried. In that case, enter the death details as normal. Leave the burial/cremation details blank. Create an event for the disposal of the body. I noticed you can't select both cremated and burial. It's either one or the other. I think I have a separate event for cremations. A body is normally either buried or cremated. So, death details apply as usual. Change the Burial/Cremation details to read Cremation and enter the date and details. Then, either enter the interment details in the Notes for the Cremation or, create an event as in former case. -- Best regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.9/2426 - Release Date: 10/09/09 18:43:00 Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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I have an uncle who died aboard ship during WW II. What do I put as his death location? I currently have Aboard ship in South Atlantic. On a similar topic, what to do about cremation. They are cremated and buried, but not necessarily on the same day. Do you just select cremated and then use the date and place of burial? I guess the cremation could be entered as an event, and then the burial record entered for burial. I really don't think it's a critical issue, but I'm curious how others are handling this. Jim
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I was wondering the same thing and am glad somebody asked it. I have a twist on one person: the person donated his body to a medical school, then was cremated. No idea where the cremains were buried. I noticed you can't select both cremated and burial. It's either one or the other. I think I have a separate event for cremations. Bill Boswell -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Jim Walton Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:21 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Death location I have an uncle who died aboard ship during WW II. What do I put as his death location? I currently have Aboard ship in South Atlantic. On a similar topic, what to do about cremation. They are cremated and buried, but not necessarily on the same day. Do you just select cremated and then use the date and place of burial? I guess the cremation could be entered as an event, and then the burial record entered for burial. I really don't think it's a critical issue, but I'm curious how others are handling this. Jim Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG]Death location [was Master Location List--use of brackets]?
Alice, The way I do this is to use the Residence Event and put time of death in the Description field. In my view the place of Residence and the place of Death are two different things in that a residence is permanent. I admit to not being wholly consistent in this as I will use the address given in the census for someone who is a visitor if I have no further information, but qualify it in the notes. Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://www.fergys.co.uk *Over 650 Surnames from 11 Countries* View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG]Death location [was Master Location List--use of brackets]? Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 22:55:03 -0400 Hi Pat, IMHO it is of equal importance to indicate both the place of residence and the place of death if they differ. Death certificates are extremely helpful in genealogical research, and in general a lot easier to acquire. One must file for the death certificate in the state where the person died. In addition to the event entitled Residence which I make full use of, I have created and event entitled Usual Place of Residence which I always generate when the death place is distant from the normal home place. The dates of both events are identical. Brief notes can be useful. -- Alice _ Feel like a local wherever you go. http://www.backofmyhand.com Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG]Death location [was Master Location List--use of brackets]?
Alice wrote In addition to the event entitled Residence which I make full use of, I have created and event entitled Usual Place of Residence which I always generate when the death place is distant from the normal home place. Great idea -- I like that ! Thanks, Alice. -- Pat - Original Message - From: Alice McVearry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG]Death location [was Master Location List--use of brackets]? Hi Pat, IMHO it is of equal importance to indicate both the place of residence and the place of death if they differ. Death certificates are extremely helpful in genealogical research, and in general a lot easier to acquire. One must file for the death certificate in the state where the person died. In addition to the event entitled Residence which I make full use of, I have created and event entitled Usual Place of Residence which I always generate when the death place is distant from the normal home place. The dates of both events are identical. Brief notes can be useful. -- Alice [Original Message] From: Pat Hickin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location List--use of brackets? Also, I think it's usually more important to know where one was living at the time of death, than the actual location of the death (though I think both, if different, are important). I had a cousin who lived in WV and died in NC because he was in the Duke U hospital. W/o explanation someone would think the family had moved to NC. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG]Death location [was Master Location List--use of brackets]?
With the already available ability to record a death location and to show a person's residence location at any point in time, including death, WHY create the Usual Place of Residence, and if you really think you need that extra event, why not name it Usual Place of Residence at Death? That's intended as a joke. On 9/26/07, Pat Hickin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alice wrote In addition to the event entitled Residence which I make full use of, I have created and event entitled Usual Place of Residence which I always generate when the death place is distant from the normal home place. Great idea -- I like that ! Thanks, Alice. -- Pat - Original Message - From: Alice McVearry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG]Death location [was Master Location List--use of brackets]? Hi Pat, IMHO it is of equal importance to indicate both the place of residence and the place of death if they differ. Death certificates are extremely helpful in genealogical research, and in general a lot easier to acquire. One must file for the death certificate in the state where the person died. In addition to the event entitled Residence which I make full use of, I have created and event entitled Usual Place of Residence which I always generate when the death place is distant from the normal home place. The dates of both events are identical. Brief notes can be useful. -- Alice [Original Message] From: Pat Hickin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location List--use of brackets? Also, I think it's usually more important to know where one was living at the time of death, than the actual location of the death (though I think both, if different, are important). I had a cousin who lived in WV and died in NC because he was in the Duke U hospital. W/o explanation someone would think the family had moved to NC. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- Thad Evotee [EMAIL PROTECTED] Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG]Death location [was Master Location List--use of brackets]?
Thad, The answer to your question lies in the minds of the Scottish authorities who, just prior to 1855, decided what information would be recorded in the Statutory Register of Births, Marriages and Deaths of Scotland. When I began to search for and transfer the data from the Scottish civil records to my Legacy file, I noticed that an increasing number of my people who should have been in the county of Fife at the time of their deaths were no longer dying in their homes, but in hospital in Edinburgh. At that time I also noticed the addition of another heading in the column that contained the death date and time, and the location data. It was entitled Usual Place of Residence. Wishing to tie the deceased person to their known home town and county, rather than the unfamiliar place in which they died, without much thought I created the Event with that name and entered the data as it was recorded. To my mind, filling in the Usual Place of Residence event after completing the Death fields is a way of bringing them home. It has been a very tough day and I don't feel much like laughing. Please forgive me. -- Alice - Original Message - From: TH To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: 9/26/2007 4:02:23 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG]Death location [was Master Location List--use of brackets]? With the already available ability to record a death location and to show a person's residence location at any point in time, including death, WHY create the Usual Place of Residence, and if you really think you need that extra event, why not name it Usual Place of Residence at Death? That's intended as a joke. On 9/26/07, Pat Hickin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alice wrote In addition to the event entitled Residence which I make full use of, I have created and event entitled Usual Place of Residence which I always generate when the death place is distant from the normal home place. Great idea -- I like that ! Thanks, Alice. -- Pat - Original Message - From: Alice McVearry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG]Death location [was Master Location List--use of brackets]? Hi Pat, IMHO it is of equal importance to indicate both the place of residence and the place of death if they differ. Death certificates are extremely helpful in genealogical research, and in general a lot easier to acquire. One must file for the death certificate in the state where the person died. In addition to the event entitled Residence which I make full use of, I have created and event entitled Usual Place of Residence which I always generate when the death place is distant from the normal home place. The dates of both events are identical. Brief notes can be useful. -- Alice [Original Message] From: Pat Hickin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location List--use of brackets? Also, I think it's usually more important to know where one was living at the time of death, than the actual location of the death (though I think both, if different, are important). I had a cousin who lived in WV and died in NC because he was in the Duke U hospital. W/o explanation someone would think the family had moved to NC. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG]Death location [was Master Location List--use of brackets]?
Hi Pat, IMHO it is of equal importance to indicate both the place of residence and the place of death if they differ. Death certificates are extremely helpful in genealogical research, and in general a lot easier to acquire. One must file for the death certificate in the state where the person died. In addition to the event entitled Residence which I make full use of, I have created and event entitled Usual Place of Residence which I always generate when the death place is distant from the normal home place. The dates of both events are identical. Brief notes can be useful. -- Alice [Original Message] From: Pat Hickin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Location List--use of brackets? Also, I think it's usually more important to know where one was living at the time of death, than the actual location of the death (though I think both, if different, are important). I had a cousin who lived in WV and died in NC because he was in the Duke U hospital. W/o explanation someone would think the family had moved to NC. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
