Re: [LegacyUG] Census information
I had not considered that as a possible reason as to why I am a lumper, Jim, but you may well be right. It certainly is natural way of working for me rather than something which I actually gave consideration to when I first started out. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ - Original Message - From: Jim Walton To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: 07 October 2009 00:50 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census information I guess my problem stems from my history with computers. I grew up in the days that if you did something on a computer more than twice, you write a program to automate the task. (This was back in the 70s when most people still didn't believe such a thing as a personal computer was very useful.) When I look at a list of sources, I would much rather see three or four sources that are easy to locate and then add the state, county, and city information in the detail record. I see the census as a single source with a series of volumes, one for each state. Each volume would have a number of chapters, one for each county. Guess I'm a lumper, but that seems much more practical to me. Just one man's opinion... Jim On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:04 AM, Janis L Gilmore rajan...@earthlink.net wrote: In theory, it seems as if that would be true. But I haven't done much combining of sources, so I can't speak with any authority. g Janis On 10/5/09 4:21 PM, Bruce Jones juicebo...@gmail.com wrote: It seems to me that it is easier for a Splitter to move toward being a Lumper (by combining Master Sources) than it is for a Lumper to move towards being a Splitter. Do you agree? On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:25 AM, Janis L Gilmore rajan...@earthlink.net wrote: Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census information
Ron Ferguson wrote I had not considered that as a possible reason as to why I am a lumper, Jim, but you may well be right. It certainly is natural way of working for me rather than something which I actually gave consideration to when I first started out. And in my case it was having had Nomalisation drummed into me when I first trained on PCs! -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census information
Jim Walton wrote: When I look at a list of sources, I would much rather see three or four sources that are easy to locate and then add the state, county, and city information in the detail record. I see the census as a single source with a series of volumes, one for each state. Each volume would have a number of chapters, one for each county. Guess I'm a lumper, but that seems much more practical to me. Just one man's opinion... I know that I'm a lumper too! Perhaps it's less a matter of personal choice, than one of where one's census sources are kept. In the UK, there is generally a single repository - The National Archives at Kew. In the US, the Federal equivalent is in Washington DC, but actual source documents seem to be kept at a local, county level. Perhaps this is why I see so many Americans opting to 'split' and Europeans opting to 'lump'! If so, then aren't the lumpers confusing Source and Repository? -- Best regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census information
Got a reply from Legacy and their response was basically like it or lump it. Except I can't lump it so I guess it's like it or split it. Too bad because I really think it would make a census much easier to cite. Jin On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Ron Ferguson rnldfe...@tiscali.co.ukwrote: I had not considered that as a possible reason as to why I am a lumper, Jim, but you may well be right. It certainly is natural way of working for me rather than something which I actually gave consideration to when I first started out. Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ - Original Message - From: Jim Walton To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: 07 October 2009 00:50 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census information I guess my problem stems from my history with computers. I grew up in the days that if you did something on a computer more than twice, you write a program to automate the task. (This was back in the 70s when most people still didn't believe such a thing as a personal computer was very useful.) When I look at a list of sources, I would much rather see three or four sources that are easy to locate and then add the state, county, and city information in the detail record. I see the census as a single source with a series of volumes, one for each state. Each volume would have a number of chapters, one for each county. Guess I'm a lumper, but that seems much more practical to me. Just one man's opinion... Jim On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:04 AM, Janis L Gilmore rajan...@earthlink.net wrote: In theory, it seems as if that would be true. But I haven't done much combining of sources, so I can't speak with any authority. g Janis On 10/5/09 4:21 PM, Bruce Jones juicebo...@gmail.com wrote: It seems to me that it is easier for a Splitter to move toward being a Lumper (by combining Master Sources) than it is for a Lumper to move towards being a Splitter. Do you agree? On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:25 AM, Janis L Gilmore rajan...@earthlink.net wrote: Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census information
Evidence Explained says that a web site should not be used as a repository, so I don't. The only time I would have a repository is if it is a brick and mortar location like a genealogical library or personally owned copy. Web documents are digital images, and most templates have that capability. It's hard to find on some until you realize that a book image on the web is considered a reprint, so select book, reprint, online book, and then all the information goes in the right place. I had asked Legacy about it and never got a straight answer. I found it by accident while reading Ms. Mills and she mentioned the reprint issue. The more I use Legacy the easier it gets, but that's the normal way of things. Sure beats the old paper and pen method I was used to. Jim On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.ukwrote: Mike Fry wrote Perhaps this is why I see so many Americans opting to 'split' and Europeans opting to 'lump'! If so, then aren't the lumpers confusing Source and Repository? I don't make a great deal of use of Repository I must admit. An example of one of my Census Sources (first time citation) reads 1851 census of England; digital images, The Generations Network, Ancestry ( www.ancestry.co.uk); citing PRO HO107; Original data: Census Returns of England and Wales, 1851. Kew, Surrey, England: The National Archives of the UK (TNA): Public Record Office (PRO), 1851. Data imaged from the National Archives, London, England. At the moment, all my Census information has come from Ancestry. In due course I will be obtaining some from FindMyPast, at which time I will add additional Master Sources for the Censuses from FMP. By the same token, I have several different Birth/Marriage/Death Index Master Sources because I access the GRO ones from both FreeBMD and Ancestry and Ancestry and have made various changes to their databases over the years and each Master Source relates to one database. So perhaps I'm not as much of a lumper as some database purists would like, but I definitely class myself as a lumper rather than a splitter! -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census information
In theory, it seems as if that would be true. But I haven't done much combining of sources, so I can't speak with any authority. g Janis On 10/5/09 4:21 PM, Bruce Jones juicebo...@gmail.com wrote: It seems to me that it is easier for a Splitter to move toward being a Lumper (by combining Master Sources) than it is for a Lumper to move towards being a Splitter. Do you agree? On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:25 AM, Janis L Gilmore rajan...@earthlink.net wrote: Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census information
I guess my problem stems from my history with computers. I grew up in the days that if you did something on a computer more than twice, you write a program to automate the task. (This was back in the 70s when most people still didn't believe such a thing as a personal computer was very useful.) When I look at a list of sources, I would much rather see three or four sources that are easy to locate and then add the state, county, and city information in the detail record. I see the census as a single source with a series of volumes, one for each state. Each volume would have a number of chapters, one for each county. Guess I'm a lumper, but that seems much more practical to me. Just one man's opinion... Jim On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:04 AM, Janis L Gilmore rajan...@earthlink.netwrote: In theory, it seems as if that would be true. But I haven't done much combining of sources, so I can't speak with any authority. g Janis On 10/5/09 4:21 PM, Bruce Jones juicebo...@gmail.com wrote: It seems to me that it is easier for a Splitter to move toward being a Lumper (by combining Master Sources) than it is for a Lumper to move towards being a Splitter. Do you agree? On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:25 AM, Janis L Gilmore rajan...@earthlink.net wrote: Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census information
I have gone the other way (splitting one master source into multiple), and it was a *lot* of work. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Janis L Gilmore rajan...@earthlink.net wrote: In theory, it seems as if that would be true. But I haven't done much combining of sources, so I can't speak with any authority. g Janis On 10/5/09 4:21 PM, Bruce Jones juicebo...@gmail.com wrote: It seems to me that it is easier for a Splitter to move toward being a Lumper (by combining Master Sources) than it is for a Lumper to move towards being a Splitter. Do you agree? On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:25 AM, Janis L Gilmore rajan...@earthlink.net wrote: Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census information
Agreed, and I'm having an issue right now with some state documents that contain many volumes, but every document has a separate title. Fortunately only a handfull of records are affected, but it looks like I'm going to have to split in this case and make every volume a separate source. So, I guess it works both ways. Jim On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Bruce Jones juicebo...@gmail.com wrote: I have gone the other way (splitting one master source into multiple), and it was a *lot* of work. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Janis L Gilmore rajan...@earthlink.net wrote: In theory, it seems as if that would be true. But I haven't done much combining of sources, so I can't speak with any authority. g Janis On 10/5/09 4:21 PM, Bruce Jones juicebo...@gmail.com wrote: It seems to me that it is easier for a Splitter to move toward being a Lumper (by combining Master Sources) than it is for a Lumper to move towards being a Splitter. Do you agree? On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:25 AM, Janis L Gilmore rajan...@earthlink.net wrote: Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census information
Kristen, I split at the county level, too, and have no problem with the number of sources. I have found any other method unsatisfactory at some point. Janis On 10/4/09 2:37 AM, Kirsten Bowman vik...@rvi.net wrote: Jim: You're welcome. But just be forewarned: Someday you might want to know which families were all living in the same state at the same time . . . or the same county. Then you'll be on the road to splitting. I split at the county level and probably have well over 200 census sources but it bothers me not at all. (A certain Ron is cringing at this G.) Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Jim Walton Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 8:56 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census information Thanks, Kirsten. It looks pretty good, so in the meantime I'll do it that way. You said it's extreme, but consider that a census is a document with 50 volumes, each volume has hundreds of chapters. Even the 1790 census would have at least 13 sources plus the counties. Even narrowing it down to states would produce over 50, considering territories such a Puerto Rico and Guam. But maybe I'm being too detailed. Anyway, your suggestion will work as a work-around. Thanks again. Jim On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Kirsten Bowman vik...@rvi.net wrote: Jim: That's pretty extreme lumping, but it should be easy to do. (And just today I wrote that I'm reforming from this!) Anyway, why can't you just create a Master Source called 1790 US Census and leave out the other location details. Then on the Source Detail screen on the Source Clipboard, you put the state, county, etc. in the ID of Person field. That seems to create a pretty decent looking citation. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Jim Walton Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 4:41 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Census information I record census information as part of residency then I can do a chronology showing residence to compare people I think may be related. I then use the source writer for the census information and supplement it in the notes with my comments, such as children, etc. that clarify the numbers a little better. Problem is, the source writer asks for the state and county in the master source rather than in the detail. That means that I have multiple sources for the same area because different states and counties are involved. I want a single source for 1790, 1800, etc. rather than 1790-New Hampshire-Grafton,1790-New Hampshire-etc... Then the detail would include the local information. I have made a suggestion to Legacy to make the change as using the override to redo the citations is cumbersome, but I would like to get some feedback on my idea, methods, and other possibilities. Jim Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census information
It seems to me that it is easier for a Splitter to move toward being a Lumper (by combining Master Sources) than it is for a Lumper to move towards being a Splitter. Do you agree? On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:25 AM, Janis L Gilmore rajan...@earthlink.net wrote: Kristen, I split at the county level, too, and have no problem with the number of sources. I have found any other method unsatisfactory at some point. Janis On 10/4/09 2:37 AM, Kirsten Bowman vik...@rvi.net wrote: Jim: You're welcome. But just be forewarned: Someday you might want to know which families were all living in the same state at the same time . . . or the same county. Then you'll be on the road to splitting. I split at the county level and probably have well over 200 census sources but it bothers me not at all. (A certain Ron is cringing at this G.) Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Jim Walton Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 8:56 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census information Thanks, Kirsten. It looks pretty good, so in the meantime I'll do it that way. You said it's extreme, but consider that a census is a document with 50 volumes, each volume has hundreds of chapters. Even the 1790 census would have at least 13 sources plus the counties. Even narrowing it down to states would produce over 50, considering territories such a Puerto Rico and Guam. But maybe I'm being too detailed. Anyway, your suggestion will work as a work-around. Thanks again. Jim On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Kirsten Bowman vik...@rvi.net wrote: Jim: That's pretty extreme lumping, but it should be easy to do. (And just today I wrote that I'm reforming from this!) Anyway, why can't you just create a Master Source called 1790 US Census and leave out the other location details. Then on the Source Detail screen on the Source Clipboard, you put the state, county, etc. in the ID of Person field. That seems to create a pretty decent looking citation. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Jim Walton Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 4:41 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Census information I record census information as part of residency then I can do a chronology showing residence to compare people I think may be related. I then use the source writer for the census information and supplement it in the notes with my comments, such as children, etc. that clarify the numbers a little better. Problem is, the source writer asks for the state and county in the master source rather than in the detail. That means that I have multiple sources for the same area because different states and counties are involved. I want a single source for 1790, 1800, etc. rather than 1790-New Hampshire-Grafton,1790-New Hampshire-etc... Then the detail would include the local information. I have made a suggestion to Legacy to make the change as using the override to redo the citations is cumbersome, but I would like to get some feedback on my idea, methods, and other possibilities. Jim Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Census information
Jim: You're welcome. But just be forewarned: Someday you might want to know which families were all living in the same state at the same time . . . or the same county. Then you'll be on the road to splitting. I split at the county level and probably have well over 200 census sources but it bothers me not at all. (A certain Ron is cringing at this G.) Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Jim Walton Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 8:56 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census information Thanks, Kirsten. It looks pretty good, so in the meantime I'll do it that way. You said it's extreme, but consider that a census is a document with 50 volumes, each volume has hundreds of chapters. Even the 1790 census would have at least 13 sources plus the counties. Even narrowing it down to states would produce over 50, considering territories such a Puerto Rico and Guam. But maybe I'm being too detailed. Anyway, your suggestion will work as a work-around. Thanks again. Jim On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Kirsten Bowman vik...@rvi.net wrote: Jim: That's pretty extreme lumping, but it should be easy to do. (And just today I wrote that I'm reforming from this!) Anyway, why can't you just create a Master Source called 1790 US Census and leave out the other location details. Then on the Source Detail screen on the Source Clipboard, you put the state, county, etc. in the ID of Person field. That seems to create a pretty decent looking citation. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Jim Walton Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 4:41 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Census information I record census information as part of residency then I can do a chronology showing residence to compare people I think may be related. I then use the source writer for the census information and supplement it in the notes with my comments, such as children, etc. that clarify the numbers a little better. Problem is, the source writer asks for the state and county in the master source rather than in the detail. That means that I have multiple sources for the same area because different states and counties are involved. I want a single source for 1790, 1800, etc. rather than 1790-New Hampshire-Grafton,1790-New Hampshire-etc... Then the detail would include the local information. I have made a suggestion to Legacy to make the change as using the override to redo the citations is cumbersome, but I would like to get some feedback on my idea, methods, and other possibilities. Jim Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census information
You can't beat a good cringe! Don't forget that in V7 one can search the Source Citations for eg. contains Alabama (SeachFindDetailed Search). Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ Kirsten Bowman wrote: Jim: You're welcome. But just be forewarned: Someday you might want to know which families were all living in the same state at the same time . . . or the same county. Then you'll be on the road to splitting. I split at the county level and probably have well over 200 census sources but it bothers me not at all. (A certain Ron is cringing at this G.) Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Jim Walton Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 8:56 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census information Thanks, Kirsten. It looks pretty good, so in the meantime I'll do it that way. You said it's extreme, but consider that a census is a document with 50 volumes, each volume has hundreds of chapters. Even the 1790 census would have at least 13 sources plus the counties. Even narrowing it down to states would produce over 50, considering territories such a Puerto Rico and Guam. But maybe I'm being too detailed. Anyway, your suggestion will work as a work-around. Thanks again. Jim On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Kirsten Bowman vik...@rvi.net wrote: Jim: That's pretty extreme lumping, but it should be easy to do. (And just today I wrote that I'm reforming from this!) Anyway, why can't you just create a Master Source called 1790 US Census and leave out the other location details. Then on the Source Detail screen on the Source Clipboard, you put the state, county, etc. in the ID of Person field. That seems to create a pretty decent looking citation. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Jim Walton Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 4:41 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Census information I record census information as part of residency then I can do a chronology showing residence to compare people I think may be related. I then use the source writer for the census information and supplement it in the notes with my comments, such as children, etc. that clarify the numbers a little better. Problem is, the source writer asks for the state and county in the master source rather than in the detail. That means that I have multiple sources for the same area because different states and counties are involved. I want a single source for 1790, 1800, etc. rather than 1790-New Hampshire-Grafton,1790-New Hampshire-etc... Then the detail would include the local information. I have made a suggestion to Legacy to make the change as using the override to redo the citations is cumbersome, but I would like to get some feedback on my idea, methods, and other possibilities. Jim Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census information
Would that also include the details attached to that source? I've not tried the search function, so not sure how it will work. I'm real new to Legacy, so still feeling my way along as I go. When I bought the bundle I didn't see the second set of tutorial CDs so maybe I need to invest in them too. Jim On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Ron Ferguson rnldfe...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: You can't beat a good cringe! Don't forget that in V7 one can search the Source Citations for eg. contains Alabama (SeachFindDetailed Search). Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ Kirsten Bowman wrote: Jim: You're welcome. But just be forewarned: Someday you might want to know which families were all living in the same state at the same time . . . or the same county. Then you'll be on the road to splitting. I split at the county level and probably have well over 200 census sources but it bothers me not at all. (A certain Ron is cringing at this G.) Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Jim Walton Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 8:56 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census information Thanks, Kirsten. It looks pretty good, so in the meantime I'll do it that way. You said it's extreme, but consider that a census is a document with 50 volumes, each volume has hundreds of chapters. Even the 1790 census would have at least 13 sources plus the counties. Even narrowing it down to states would produce over 50, considering territories such a Puerto Rico and Guam. But maybe I'm being too detailed. Anyway, your suggestion will work as a work-around. Thanks again. Jim On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Kirsten Bowman vik...@rvi.net wrote: Jim: That's pretty extreme lumping, but it should be easy to do. (And just today I wrote that I'm reforming from this!) Anyway, why can't you just create a Master Source called 1790 US Census and leave out the other location details. Then on the Source Detail screen on the Source Clipboard, you put the state, county, etc. in the ID of Person field. That seems to create a pretty decent looking citation. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Jim Walton Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 4:41 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Census information I record census information as part of residency then I can do a chronology showing residence to compare people I think may be related. I then use the source writer for the census information and supplement it in the notes with my comments, such as children, etc. that clarify the numbers a little better. Problem is, the source writer asks for the state and county in the master source rather than in the detail. That means that I have multiple sources for the same area because different states and counties are involved. I want a single source for 1790, 1800, etc. rather than 1790-New Hampshire-Grafton,1790-New Hampshire-etc... Then the detail would include the local information. I have made a suggestion to Legacy to make the change as using the override to redo the citations is cumbersome, but I would like to get some feedback on my idea, methods, and other possibilities. Jim Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census information
But my extended families were only in 26 states, and not in all years. I have the census source by year, and the other countries fit my pattern, Britian, Sweden, Norway, Mexico, Canada, Denmark. CenU1790, CenB1841, CenS1890, CenN1865, CenM1845, CenC1851, CenD1834. And CenIa1854 for Iowa. Rich in LA CA - Original Message From: Jim Walton jimwalt...@gmail.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2009 8:56:05 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census information Thanks, Kirsten. It looks pretty good, so in the meantime I'll do it that way. You said it's extreme, but consider that a census is a document with 50 volumes, each volume has hundreds of chapters. Even the 1790 census would have at least 13 sources plus the counties. Even narrowing it down to states would produce over 50, considering territories such a Puerto Rico and Guam. But maybe I'm being too detailed. Anyway, your suggestion will work as a work-around. Thanks again. Jim On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Kirsten Bowman vik...@rvi.net wrote: Jim: That's pretty extreme lumping, but it should be easy to do. (And just today I wrote that I'm reforming from this!) Anyway, why can't you just create a Master Source called 1790 US Census and leave out the other location details. Then on the Source Detail screen on the Source Clipboard, you put the state, county, etc. in the ID of Person field. That seems to create a pretty decent looking citation. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Jim Walton Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 4:41 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Census information I record census information as part of residency then I can do a chronology showing residence to compare people I think may be related. I then use the source writer for the census information and supplement it in the notes with my comments, such as children, etc. that clarify the numbers a little better. Problem is, the source writer asks for the state and county in the master source rather than in the detail. That means that I have multiple sources for the same area because different states and counties are involved. I want a single source for 1790, 1800, etc. rather than 1790-New Hampshire-Grafton,1790-New Hampshire-etc... Then the detail would include the local information. I have made a suggestion to Legacy to make the change as using the override to redo the citations is cumbersome, but I would like to get some feedback on my idea, methods, and other possibilities. Jim Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census information
Jim, To clarify, as far as I know citation is synonimous with Source Detail in this conext, so it only looks at the Source Detail. There is a separate search for Master Sources. I suggest you just give it a try with a few of your sources - you won't break anything ;-). Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ Jim Walton wrote: Would that also include the details attached to that source? I've not tried the search function, so not sure how it will work. I'm real new to Legacy, so still feeling my way along as I go. When I bought the bundle I didn't see the second set of tutorial CDs so maybe I need to invest in them too. Jim On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Ron Ferguson rnldfe...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: You can't beat a good cringe! Don't forget that in V7 one can search the Source Citations for eg. contains Alabama (SeachFindDetailed Search). Ron Ferguson _ New Tutorial: Embed Blogger RSS feed into your Website http://www.fergys.co.uk Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ Kirsten Bowman wrote: Jim: You're welcome. But just be forewarned: Someday you might want to know which families were all living in the same state at the same time . . . or the same county. Then you'll be on the road to splitting. I split at the county level and probably have well over 200 census sources but it bothers me not at all. (A certain Ron is cringing at this G.) Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Jim Walton Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 8:56 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census information Thanks, Kirsten. It looks pretty good, so in the meantime I'll do it that way. You said it's extreme, but consider that a census is a document with 50 volumes, each volume has hundreds of chapters. Even the 1790 census would have at least 13 sources plus the counties. Even narrowing it down to states would produce over 50, considering territories such a Puerto Rico and Guam. But maybe I'm being too detailed. Anyway, your suggestion will work as a work-around. Thanks again. Jim On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Kirsten Bowman vik...@rvi.net wrote: Jim: That's pretty extreme lumping, but it should be easy to do. (And just today I wrote that I'm reforming from this!) Anyway, why can't you just create a Master Source called 1790 US Census and leave out the other location details. Then on the Source Detail screen on the Source Clipboard, you put the state, county, etc. in the ID of Person field. That seems to create a pretty decent looking citation. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Jim Walton Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 4:41 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Census information I record census information as part of residency then I can do a chronology showing residence to compare people I think may be related. I then use the source writer for the census information and supplement it in the notes with my comments, such as children, etc. that clarify the numbers a little better. Problem is, the source writer asks for the state and county in the master source rather than in the detail. That means that I have multiple sources for the same area because different states and counties are involved. I want a single source for 1790, 1800, etc. rather than 1790-New Hampshire-Grafton,1790-New Hampshire-etc... Then the detail would include the local information. I have made a suggestion to Legacy to make the change as using the override to redo the citations is cumbersome, but I would like to get some feedback on my idea, methods, and other possibilities. Jim Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Census information
Jim: That's pretty extreme lumping, but it should be easy to do. (And just today I wrote that I'm reforming from this!) Anyway, why can't you just create a Master Source called 1790 US Census and leave out the other location details. Then on the Source Detail screen on the Source Clipboard, you put the state, county, etc. in the ID of Person field. That seems to create a pretty decent looking citation. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Jim Walton Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 4:41 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Census information I record census information as part of residency then I can do a chronology showing residence to compare people I think may be related. I then use the source writer for the census information and supplement it in the notes with my comments, such as children, etc. that clarify the numbers a little better. Problem is, the source writer asks for the state and county in the master source rather than in the detail. That means that I have multiple sources for the same area because different states and counties are involved. I want a single source for 1790, 1800, etc. rather than 1790-New Hampshire-Grafton,1790-New Hampshire-etc... Then the detail would include the local information. I have made a suggestion to Legacy to make the change as using the override to redo the citations is cumbersome, but I would like to get some feedback on my idea, methods, and other possibilities. Jim Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census information
Thanks, Kirsten. It looks pretty good, so in the meantime I'll do it that way. You said it's extreme, but consider that a census is a document with 50 volumes, each volume has hundreds of chapters. Even the 1790 census would have at least 13 sources plus the counties. Even narrowing it down to states would produce over 50, considering territories such a Puerto Rico and Guam. But maybe I'm being too detailed. Anyway, your suggestion will work as a work-around. Thanks again. Jim On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Kirsten Bowman vik...@rvi.net wrote: Jim: That's pretty extreme lumping, but it should be easy to do. (And just today I wrote that I'm reforming from this!) Anyway, why can't you just create a Master Source called 1790 US Census and leave out the other location details. Then on the Source Detail screen on the Source Clipboard, you put the state, county, etc. in the ID of Person field. That seems to create a pretty decent looking citation. Kirsten -Original Message- From: k...@legacyfamilytree.com [mailto:k...@legacyfamilytree.com]on Behalf Of Jim Walton Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 4:41 PM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Census information I record census information as part of residency then I can do a chronology showing residence to compare people I think may be related. I then use the source writer for the census information and supplement it in the notes with my comments, such as children, etc. that clarify the numbers a little better. Problem is, the source writer asks for the state and county in the master source rather than in the detail. That means that I have multiple sources for the same area because different states and counties are involved. I want a single source for 1790, 1800, etc. rather than 1790-New Hampshire-Grafton,1790-New Hampshire-etc... Then the detail would include the local information. I have made a suggestion to Legacy to make the change as using the override to redo the citations is cumbersome, but I would like to get some feedback on my idea, methods, and other possibilities. Jim Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Census Information: How to record 'published date' in the the Master Source definition of Sourcewriter.
David, There is no way I would put in all that stuff from Ancestry!! I have actually put in 1851 - I must been rather keen that day as I have put the actual date of the census in the recorded date. The 1851 to which you refer actually only appears in the Bibliography and I agree it is a bit of a waste of time - so no problem in leaving it out. Ancestry is the repository and not the source. Ron Ferguson _ *New* Insert Pictures Into your Web Pages - Blogs http://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Census Information: How to record 'published date' in the the Master Source definition of Sourcewriter. Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:57:37 +0100 Hi everyone, Just interested to see what people do here. What information would people put in the 'published date' section of the sourcewriter template if the information is found online at ancestry.com? 1851? It is the 1851 census of England, so is there any point in putting it twice? 2005? Or would folk copy the whole sentence? 1851 England Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2005. Original data: Census Returns of England and Wales, 1851. Kew, Surrey, England: The National Archives of the UK (TNA): Public Record Office (PRO), 1851. Data imaged from the National Archives, London, England. Best wishes David * David S Brookes Musical Director, The Brewood Singers www.brewoodsingers.co.uk Organist Choirmaster, Polesworth Abbey www.polesworthabbey.co.uk * _ Get all your favourite content with the slick new MSN Toolbar - FREE http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/111354027/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census Information: How to record 'published date' in the the Master Source definition of Sourcewriter.
music-line wrote Just interested to see what people do here. What information would people put in the 'published date' section of the sourcewriter template if the information is found online at ancestry.com? 1851? It is the 1851 census of England, so is there any point in putting it twice? No! 2005? Well, that's what I put. Or would folk copy the whole sentence? 1851 England Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2005. Original data: Census Returns of England and Wales, 1851. Kew, Surrey, England: The National Archives of the UK (TNA): Public Record Office (PRO), 1851. Data imaged from the National Archives, London, England. It has been dropped from the SourceWriter tab, but on the Text tab of the Basic Style Master source was the helpful suggestion (copy of description contained within the source) and that is exactly what I put on the Text tab of Master Sources. So for the 1851 Census I enter that sentence you have quoted above. Sometimes it is useful even to me to have this explanatory text for a rather obscure website; in the case of Ancestry probably nearly everyone knows what it is, but for the benefit of those who don't there is the option to include this text the first time the Master Source is cited in a Report. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census Information: How to record 'published date' in the the Master Source definition of Sourcewriter.
ronald ferguson wrote There is no way I would put in all that stuff from Ancestry!! As you will see elsewhere in this thread, I do! (For the reasons I have given.) Ancestry is the repository and not the source. I agree with you, but Ancestry is publishing the Census and handy hint for that field reads Type the date posted, updated or copyrighted so it seems to make sense to put that 2005 date in there. Well, it does to me, anyway! Although I don't always bother to fill that field (or the equivalent) in Master Sources and I think it probably doesn't matter terribly much, in most (all?) cases if one chooses to ignore it. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census Information: How to record 'published date' in the the Master Source definition of Sourcewriter.
The original source is National Archives HO107 (HO stands for Home Office) and the class is England and Wales Census for 1851 (not just England). There are many organisations who have transcribed the images, but the original image production was done by the National Archives in the days when it was the PRO or Public Record Office. The National Archives is at Kew (which is now a suburb of London) so I use Census of England and Wales 1851, National Archive, Kew, Richmond, Surrey (Class HO107) and then the publisher, which in my case is TheGenealogist.com John 2008/9/30 Jenny M Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] music-line wrote Just interested to see what people do here. What information would people put in the 'published date' section of the sourcewriter template if the information is found online at ancestry.com? 1851? It is the 1851 census of England, so is there any point in putting it twice? No! 2005? Well, that's what I put. Or would folk copy the whole sentence? 1851 England Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2005. Original data: Census Returns of England and Wales, 1851. Kew, Surrey, England: The National Archives of the UK (TNA): Public Record Office (PRO), 1851. Data imaged from the National Archives, London, England. It has been dropped from the SourceWriter tab, but on the Text tab of the Basic Style Master source was the helpful suggestion (copy of description contained within the source) and that is exactly what I put on the Text tab of Master Sources. So for the 1851 Census I enter that sentence you have quoted above. Sometimes it is useful even to me to have this explanatory text for a rather obscure website; in the case of Ancestry probably nearly everyone knows what it is, but for the benefit of those who don't there is the option to include this text the first time the Master Source is cited in a Report. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Census Information: How to record 'published date' in the the Master Source definition of Sourcewriter.
David, The published date field for an online source is reserved for the year when the document/database was initially published if you can locate that information. For Ancestry.com databases, it is always available in their citation. Thanks, Geoff Rasmussen Millennia Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LegacyFamilyTree.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of music-line Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 3:58 AM To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Census Information: How to record 'published date' in the the Master Source definition of Sourcewriter. Hi everyone, Just interested to see what people do here. What information would people put in the 'published date' section of the sourcewriter template if the information is found online at ancestry.com? 1851? It is the 1851 census of England, so is there any point in putting it twice? 2005? Or would folk copy the whole sentence? 1851 England Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2005. Original data: Census Returns of England and Wales, 1851. Kew, Surrey, England: The National Archives of the UK (TNA): Public Record Office (PRO), 1851. Data imaged from the National Archives, London, England. Best wishes David Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census Information: How to record 'published date' in the the Master Source definition of Sourcewriter.
Redundancy is not evil. The disk space used by the 4 characters is made up for by the 'fact' it is appearing somewhere in whichever report you use, without retyping. In the past, I used abbreviations to save disk space usage, I learned and changed my ways. Rich in LA CA --- On Tue, 9/30/08, Jenny M Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jenny M Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census Information: How to record 'published date' in the the Master Source definition of Sourcewriter. To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 5:05 AM music-line wrote Just interested to see what people do here. What information would people put in the 'published date' section of the sourcewriter template if the information is found online at ancestry.com? 1851? It is the 1851 census of England, so is there any point in putting it twice? No! 2005? Well, that's what I put. Or would folk copy the whole sentence? 1851 England Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2005. Original data: Census Returns of England and Wales, 1851. Kew, Surrey, England: The National Archives of the UK (TNA): Public Record Office (PRO), 1851. Data imaged from the National Archives, London, England. It has been dropped from the SourceWriter tab, but on the Text tab of the Basic Style Master source was the helpful suggestion (copy of description contained within the source) and that is exactly what I put on the Text tab of Master Sources. So for the 1851 Census I enter that sentence you have quoted above. Sometimes it is useful even to me to have this explanatory text for a rather obscure website; in the case of Ancestry probably nearly everyone knows what it is, but for the benefit of those who don't there is the option to include this text the first time the Master Source is cited in a Report. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Census Information: How to record 'published date' in the the Master Source definition of Sourcewriter.
RICHARD SCHULTHIES wrote Redundancy is not evil. The disk space used by the 4 characters is made up for by the 'fact' it is appearing somewhere in whichever report you use, without retyping. In the past, I used abbreviations to save disk space usage, I learned and changed my ways. Richard, you made this reply to a post of mine, but I'm afraid I can't see any relevance to what I said. I never mentioned anything being redundant. When you refer to 4 characters I presume you mean the year. The OP asked if he should use 1951 as in the Census title or use 2005 from the Ancestry blurb. I replied that I would not use 1951 but would use 2005 and gave my reasons, which had nothing to do with anything being redundant. As far as I am aware, no one has made any reference in this thread to saving disk space. The question is about the correct or most-favoured way to cite a particular source. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
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My bad. I misread the question to being about avoiding multiple inputting of data. Rich in LA CA --- On Tue, 9/30/08, Jenny M Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jenny M Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census Information: How to record 'published date' in the the Master Source definition of Sourcewriter. To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 11:39 AM RICHARD SCHULTHIES wrote Redundancy is not evil. The disk space used by the 4 characters is made up for by the 'fact' it is appearing somewhere in whichever report you use, without retyping. In the past, I used abbreviations to save disk space usage, I learned and changed my ways. Richard, you made this reply to a post of mine, but I'm afraid I can't see any relevance to what I said. I never mentioned anything being redundant. When you refer to 4 characters I presume you mean the year. The OP asked if he should use 1951 as in the Census title or use 2005 from the Ancestry blurb. I replied that I would not use 1951 but would use 2005 and gave my reasons, which had nothing to do with anything being redundant. As far as I am aware, no one has made any reference in this thread to saving disk space. The question is about the correct or most-favoured way to cite a particular source. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Census Information: How to record 'published date' in the the Master Source definition of Sourcewriter.
Thanks to all for the useful replies. I like Jenny's idea of putting the 'long blurb' in the text tab of the Mastet Scource. Best wishes David * David S Brookes Musical Director, The Brewood Singers www.brewoodsingers.co.uk Organist Choirmaster, Polesworth Abbey www.polesworthabbey.co.uk * -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RICHARD SCHULTHIES Sent: 01 October 2008 01:32 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census Information: How to record 'published date' in the the Master Source definition of Sourcewriter. My bad. I misread the question to being about avoiding multiple inputting of data. Rich in LA CA --- On Tue, 9/30/08, Jenny M Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jenny M Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Census Information: How to record 'published date' in the the Master Source definition of Sourcewriter. To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 11:39 AM RICHARD SCHULTHIES wrote Redundancy is not evil. The disk space used by the 4 characters is made up for by the 'fact' it is appearing somewhere in whichever report you use, without retyping. In the past, I used abbreviations to save disk space usage, I learned and changed my ways. Richard, you made this reply to a post of mine, but I'm afraid I can't see any relevance to what I said. I never mentioned anything being redundant. When you refer to 4 characters I presume you mean the year. The OP asked if he should use 1951 as in the Census title or use 2005 from the Ancestry blurb. I replied that I would not use 1951 but would use 2005 and gave my reasons, which had nothing to do with anything being redundant. As far as I am aware, no one has made any reference in this thread to saving disk space. The question is about the correct or most-favoured way to cite a particular source. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] census information
Jim Terry/Support wrote To the best of my understanding, a TAB character is supposed to emulate the effect of a tab stop on a typewriter. Consequently, the 'length' of a TAB must vary dependent upon the selected font (and its' size), and the position of the next tab stop in relation to the current cursor position. The whole point of a TAB is that it is a fixed length, regardless of typeface and point size. A tab space remains the same size regardless of how you change the font used in a document. This is why tab spaces should always be used in preference to space bar spaces when lining up text, but space bar spaces *are* dependent on the font. -- Jenny M Benson Have you unlocked the real power of Legacy? Legacy 6.0 Deluxe has 92 features not found in the Standard Edition. Learn more about these features at http://legacyfamilytree.com/DeluxeEdition.asp. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] census information
Jenny M Benson wrote: Jim Terry/Support wrote No, he didn't. I did! To the best of my understanding, a TAB character is supposed to emulate the effect of a tab stop on a typewriter. Consequently, the 'length' of a TAB must vary dependent upon the selected font (and its' size), and the position of the next tab stop in relation to the current cursor position. The whole point of a TAB is that it is a fixed length, regardless of typeface and point size. A tab space remains the same size regardless of how you change the font used in a document. This is why tab spaces should always be used in preference to space bar spaces when lining up text, but space bar spaces *are* dependent on the font. Yes - but not quite correct. Not all TABs need be created equal. In Desktop Publishing (or current Word Processing) for instance, tab stops can be set at varying distances across the width of the printed page. this does result, as you say, in an individual TAB that has a fixed size regardless of typeface and character size. This was also possible on the mechanical typewriters prior to the IBM Golfballs. The fixedness of a TAB is largely a result of early computers and Teletypes which only used a monospaced font. I think we're both right on this one. :-) -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg. Have you unlocked the real power of Legacy? Legacy 6.0 Deluxe has 92 features not found in the Standard Edition. Learn more about these features at http://legacyfamilytree.com/DeluxeEdition.asp. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] census information
Carol, There are some work arounds which are simple to do once you understand a few principles. Please keep in mind that Notes screens and reports are two different things. What you line up in columns in Notes won't necessarily line up in columns in a report. Things like page margins, font styles and sizes, etc. all affect the appearance of reports. In addition, font styles and sizes and screen size make a difference in the Notes screen as well. Method 1: Courier Font for the appearance of columns in Notes Background: Courier is a monospaced slab serif typeface designed to resemble the output from a strike-on typewriter The design of the original Courier New typeface was commissioned in the 1950s by IBM for use in typewriters... and it soon became a standard font used throughout the typewriter industry. As a monospaced font, it has recently found renewed use in the electronic world in situations where columns of characters must be consistently aligned. [Source: Wikipedia, Courier (typeface), http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courier_(font)] Changing Fonts in Legacy 1. To change Legacy's font settings, click on Options on the menu bar and select Customize. 2. Next click on the Fonts tab and change the Screen Fonts for Notes to Courier New (the default font sizes should be left as they are). 3. Click the Save button in the lower left corner of the Fonts screen to exit. 4. Click the Help button if you need further guidance. Method 2: Inserting Tabs Another way of creating the appearance of columns in Notes is to insert tab spaces. (This does not rely on using the Courier font.) Tabs can be inserted in Notes by pressing Ctrl+Tab on your keyboard. This will help line up text at regular intervals. You can view where tabs are inserted, but before doing this you must SAVE and then reopen the Notes screen. (If you don't save first, the tabs you insert will be undone!) Next press Ctrl+Z on the keyboard and the embedded codes for the tab spaces will show as «tab». Jim Terry Technical Support www.LegacyFamilyTree.com (425) 788-0932 - Original Message - From: Carol To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 11:28 AM Subject: [LegacyUG] census information Is there any way to make nice, neat columns for displaying census information entered through a Legacy note on the web? If so, does doing it that way cause other forms of display (i.e., printed reports) to look weird? TIA, Carol Have you unlocked the real power of Legacy? Legacy 6.0 Deluxe has 92 features not found in the Standard Edition. Learn more about these features at http://legacyfamilytree.com/DeluxeEdition.asp. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] census information
Jim Terry/Support wrote: SNIP Method 2: Inserting Tabs Another way of creating the appearance of columns in Notes is to insert tab spaces. (This does not rely on using the Courier font.) Tabs can be inserted in Notes by pressing Ctrl+Tab on your keyboard. This will help line up text at regular intervals. You can view where tabs are inserted, but before doing this you must SAVE and then reopen the Notes screen. (If you don't save first, the tabs you insert will be undone!) Next press Ctrl+Z on the keyboard and the embedded codes for the tab spaces will show as «tab». Jim, I'm sure you're quite correct with how you describe these operations, but I fail to see why TAB characters would achieve the desired effect. To the best of my understanding, a TAB character is supposed to emulate the effect of a tab stop on a typewriter. Consequently, the 'length' of a TAB must vary dependent upon the selected font (and its' size), and the position of the next tab stop in relation to the current cursor position. I don't think you can set tab stop positions in a Notes field. Therefore, a TAB will only work consistently when it has a fixed length, i.e. when a monospaced font style is used and can thus be defined as a certain number of character positions. By extension, the same monospaced font style and size would need to be used when printing Notes in order to maintain the desired appearance. I don't see anywhere on the Fonts tab where the size of a monospaced TAB can be defined. Neither do I see any means of setting a standard set of tabstops across the width of a page. As a matter of personal choice, I absolutely detest the seemingly default MS tab size of 8 characters, it tends to stretch tables out unnecessarily. My preference, when coding in C, is for a 4 character TAB. I guess what I'm really saying is that whilst TABs and a monospaced font can achieve what the OP was after, it currently takes a lot of trial and error to enter data in a table and have it appear as desired. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg. Have you unlocked the real power of Legacy? Legacy 6.0 Deluxe has 92 features not found in the Standard Edition. Learn more about these features at http://legacyfamilytree.com/DeluxeEdition.asp. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] census information
Min, You are quite correct in saying that tabs are not recognised in html based web pages and would not be suitable for this purpose. The usual way to present the information the way you require is to create tables in html and enter the data therein. This would be a very labourious task no matter how you do it. One possible thought would be to layout the notes the way you wish (if I remember correctly there has previously been discussions on tabulating notes which should be in the archives) and create PDFs linking the PDFs to a thumbnail picture of a census form on your web page so that when it is clicked the PDF is displayed. By carefully arranging the notes you may also be able to create a csv file which can be exported into a standard format in either MS Excel or Open Office Calc from which the html can be created. Depending on how many census results you wish to display there are various techniques which can be used but all will require separate programming rather than having them created by Legacy. Ron Ferguson _ For Genealogy, Software and Social visit: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ *New Blog* Create Legacy Web Pages Includes the family tree for Alan J Grimshaw http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/Grimshaw/ __ From: Min Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] census information Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 08:04:47 +1000 Jim Terry wrote: There are some work arounds which are simple to do once you understand a few principles. Please keep in mind that Notes screens and reports are two different things Thanks for these workarounds Jim. I have just experimented with Method 2: Inserting Tabs and it presented a much better looking result than trying to space between the columns. However, if intentions are to create web pages as well as reports (which is what I will do eventually), the tabs are not recognised in the process and all the info on each line joins together without any spaces between the columns. Do you know of any way around this? Thanks Min _ MSN Hotmail is evolving - check out the new Windows Live Hotmail http://get.live.com/betas/mail_betas Have you unlocked the real power of Legacy? Legacy 6.0 Deluxe has 92 features not found in the Standard Edition. Learn more about these features at http://legacyfamilytree.com/DeluxeEdition.asp. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] census information
Mike, What you write is exactly why I put my warning right up front in my first paragraph. Jim Terry Technical Support www.LegacyFamilyTree.com (425) 788-0932 - Original Message - From: Mike Fry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] census information Jim Terry/Support wrote: SNIP Method 2: Inserting Tabs Another way of creating the appearance of columns in Notes is to insert tab spaces. (This does not rely on using the Courier font.) Tabs can be inserted in Notes by pressing Ctrl+Tab on your keyboard. This will help line up text at regular intervals. You can view where tabs are inserted, but before doing this you must SAVE and then reopen the Notes screen. (If you don't save first, the tabs you insert will be undone!) Next press Ctrl+Z on the keyboard and the embedded codes for the tab spaces will show as «tab». Jim, I'm sure you're quite correct with how you describe these operations, but I fail to see why TAB characters would achieve the desired effect. To the best of my understanding, a TAB character is supposed to emulate the effect of a tab stop on a typewriter. Consequently, the 'length' of a TAB must vary dependent upon the selected font (and its' size), and the position of the next tab stop in relation to the current cursor position. I don't think you can set tab stop positions in a Notes field. Therefore, a TAB will only work consistently when it has a fixed length, i.e. when a monospaced font style is used and can thus be defined as a certain number of character positions. By extension, the same monospaced font style and size would need to be used when printing Notes in order to maintain the desired appearance. I don't see anywhere on the Fonts tab where the size of a monospaced TAB can be defined. Neither do I see any means of setting a standard set of tabstops across the width of a page. As a matter of personal choice, I absolutely detest the seemingly default MS tab size of 8 characters, it tends to stretch tables out unnecessarily. My preference, when coding in C, is for a 4 character TAB. I guess what I'm really saying is that whilst TABs and a monospaced font can achieve what the OP was after, it currently takes a lot of trial and error to enter data in a table and have it appear as desired. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg. Have you unlocked the real power of Legacy? Legacy 6.0 Deluxe has 92 features not found in the Standard Edition. Learn more about these features at http://legacyfamilytree.com/DeluxeEdition.asp. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/785 - Release Date: 5/2/2007 2:16 PM Have you unlocked the real power of Legacy? Legacy 6.0 Deluxe has 92 features not found in the Standard Edition. Learn more about these features at http://legacyfamilytree.com/DeluxeEdition.asp. Legacy User Group guidelines can be found at: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ For online technical support, please visit http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe please visit: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
