Re: [LegacyUG] Searching Location notes field
However this is a slightly dodgy work-around for something that ought to be included in the normal search procedures. I wonder why that field is in the Find where drop down box in Search Search and Replace and not in the straight Search Find process. Programmer's oversight, or was there a purpose? You should ask the programmers I haven't checked them all but are there any other fields searchable only from the Search and Replace procedure? Yes Evert Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Searching Location notes field
You could ask the programmers to add these Search and Replace items to the Search Find items via the Legacy Home tab Suggest a new feature. Evert 2008/11/19 Evert van Dijken [EMAIL PROTECTED]: However this is a slightly dodgy work-around for something that ought to be included in the normal search procedures. I wonder why that field is in the Find where drop down box in Search Search and Replace and not in the straight Search Find process. Programmer's oversight, or was there a purpose? You should ask the programmers I haven't checked them all but are there any other fields searchable only from the Search and Replace procedure? Yes Evert Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Searching Location notes field
On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:42:16 +1300, Boyd Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder why that field is in the Find where drop down box in Search Search and Replace and not in the straight Search Find process. Programmer's oversight, or was there a purpose? Think for a moment. The straight Search Find process (at least thru V6) is intended to produce a list of individuals. That is not what you are asking for. You can always try using Open Office Base to search tblLR for what you want. -- Dennis Kowallek Genealogy Website Custom Programming http://consulting.kowallekfamily.com/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Searching Location notes field
Correct, but there could be a Search feature like the Search and Replace without the Replace part and there could be a list of places that have the text someone is searching for in notes. Evert 2008/11/19 Dennis M. Kowallek [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:42:16 +1300, Boyd Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder why that field is in the Find where drop down box in Search Search and Replace and not in the straight Search Find process. Programmer's oversight, or was there a purpose? Think for a moment. The straight Search Find process (at least thru V6) is intended to produce a list of individuals. That is not what you are asking for. You can always try using Open Office Base to search tblLR for what you want. -- Dennis Kowallek Genealogy Website Custom Programming http://consulting.kowallekfamily.com/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Searching Location notes field
On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:32:09 +0100, Evert van Dijken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Correct, but there could be a Search feature like the Search and Replace without the Replace part and there could be a list of places that have the text someone is searching for in notes. Sure. But Boyd asked why it wasn't part of the existing Search Find process. An entirely new process would have to be developed that would create lists of things that were not individuals (locations, sources, todo's, etc.). -- Dennis Kowallek Genealogy Website Custom Programming http://consulting.kowallekfamily.com/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Searching Location notes field
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Searching Location notes field Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:52:31 -0500 On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:32:09 +0100, Evert van Dijken wrote: Correct, but there could be a Search feature like the Search and Replace without the Replace part and there could be a list of places that have the text someone is searching for in notes. Sure. But Boyd asked why it wasn't part of the existing Search Find process. An entirely new process would have to be developed that would create lists of things that were not individuals (locations, sources, todo's, etc.). -- Dennis Kowallek Genealogy Website Custom Programming http://consulting.kowallekfamily.com/ And it must be remembered that, unlike many other genealogy programs, Legacy revolves around the individuals and not around the events. To change this would mean a rethink in the philosophy behind the program and could easily make it less attractive for those who prefer the Legacy way of working. To try and combine the two would, I suggest, lead to considerable program bloat without commensurate benefits. Ron Ferguson _ *New Tutorial* Publish your Web Pages - Blogs http://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ _ See the most popular videos on the web http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/115454061/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Searching Location notes field
Yes, I know. It's up to the programmers how they implement things. A user can ask for a feature. At the moment the Search Find also has marriages with marriage notes, why not add locations with location note fields etc? I don't know if this is possible and I don't have to know (I'm not a programmer of Legacy ;-). Evert 2008/11/19 Dennis M. Kowallek [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:32:09 +0100, Evert van Dijken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Correct, but there could be a Search feature like the Search and Replace without the Replace part and there could be a list of places that have the text someone is searching for in notes. Sure. But Boyd asked why it wasn't part of the existing Search Find process. An entirely new process would have to be developed that would create lists of things that were not individuals (locations, sources, todo's, etc.). -- Dennis Kowallek Genealogy Website Custom Programming http://consulting.kowallekfamily.com/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Searching Location notes field
On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:03:18 +0100, Evert van Dijken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's up to the programmers how they implement things. A user can ask for a feature. Of course. At the moment the Search Find also has marriages with marriage notes, why not add locations with location note fields etc? Because even a search of Marriages Marriage Notes produces a list of individuals. Locations Location Notes does not (at least not as the question was framed in the OP's original message). I don't know if this is possible and I don't have to know (I'm not a programmer of Legacy ;-). Of coarse it's possible. And you, as a user, don't need to know that. -- Dennis Kowallek Genealogy Website Custom Programming http://consulting.kowallekfamily.com/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Searching Location notes field
With respect, Boyd. it has and the answer was No, you cannot search them in the way you suggest. The subsequent discussion was concerned whether Legacy could and/or should do anything about it. Biirths, marriages and deaths *are* events and a location is always attached to an event of one sort or another. At least I cannot think of an instance where I would use a stand-alone location.Ron Ferguson _ *New Tutorial* Publish your Web Pages - Blogshttp://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Searching Location notes field Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:17:11 +1300 Hi folks, This string has gone totally off the course of my original question relating to Location Notes. It is clear that most respondents have never even noticed the Notes field that is associated with each Location! If you bring up the Master Location list and edit any location you will see a Notes field. This can be used for recording changes to the name of the place as political boundaries change or the place itself changes its name, historical notes about the place, population at any particular time, or anything of interest that relate to the place itself. This is nothing to do with events, except that you will generally have a Location associated with an event. The Location Notes relate to that location itself and therefore to any other part of Legacy in which you use that Location - births, deaths, marriages, events or any other piece of information that has a Location associated with it. There is currently no provision that I can find to search this field for a particular word or something that contains a particular word. It is not one of the fields listed in Search Detailed search Where to look, although that list includes all sorts of other fields (and some like address are covered in great detail even down to telephone numbers). Does anyone know a way to search these Notes? Is this something for a suggested improvement? Boyd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jenny M Benson Sent: Wednesday, 19 November 2008 4:28 a.m. To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Searching Location notes field Marion Rainey wrote Any suggestions you could make would be greatly appreciated. The E book sounds really good, but I can't afford it at the moment; likewise the same for the Legacy videos. They do a great job. My biggest complaint is that after all the reading and digging, I have yet to see an actual example of how a census or a vital record looks when properly entered into Legacy. Are you meaning how the Source Citation looks, or how the Event itself looks. I presume you mean the former. There are many versions of properly entered according to who you ask, so the right way for you will be however you choose to do it, really. Most importantly, bear in mind that the purpose of a Source Citation is to allow you or anyone else to see exactly how you arrived at a conclusion and - where possible - to replicate the steps. For example, you might use a Birth Certificate as a Source for an Individual's name and date of birth. Your Source Citation needs to identify that you used a Birth Certificate and state where that Birth Certificate can be found and/or where a copy of it can be obtained. If you use the Templates in Legacy 7 you will find that most of the common Sources are covered and they really do lead you step by step through the citation. Each field to be completed has a title which indicates what it should contain and if you hover your cursor over the field name you can read the full version of the grey text explanation that appears in each field before you start typing. (Sometimes its truncated in the field.) Try creating a little test file and work with that, trying out different templates and see how the output looks and decide whether you want to change things at all. You can always use the Override option if you aren't entirely happy with the result. Also, I'm a little hung up on the anatomy of some of my vital records certificates. For instance, there may be more than one set of numbers on a birth certificate. What do they represent and which does one list and how? I'm sure both sets are important. This depends very much on the issuing authority. I can only speak for English and Welsh Certificates which have 1 or 2 numbers: all have the number of the Certificate itself and GRO-issued Certificates have a number identifying the application for the Certificate. The latter is not important and the former
RE: [LegacyUG] Searching Location notes field
Boyd, You could look at SearchFindDetailed Search: Look for whom: Individual Where to look: Event Notes How to Look: Equal to What to look for: Ron Ferguson _ *New Tutorial* Publish your Web Pages - Blogshttp://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [LegacyUG] Searching Location notes fieldDate: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:45:26 +1300 It is common practice to record the location of an event as it was at the time of that event. The Location Notes field can then be used to annotate this location with any changes in name, boundary amendments, the current name of the place, or historical notes. Many of the notes fields, and several other rather minor fields within Legacy can be searched from the Search Detailed search procedure. Location Notes do not appear in any of the drop-down selections. Is there any way to search this Location Notes field for a particular (current?) name, or for anything else in that field? Is there a quick way to find which Locations have notes against them? If not, is this something we should ask the programmers to have a look at? Boyd Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.aspArchived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.aspTo unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp _ See the most popular videos on the web http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/115454061/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Searching Location notes field
Boyd, It may be that a reply containing rubbish, or nothing, may have been sent as I accidently hit the send button when checking something. What exactly do you mean by Location Notes. My locations are all part of an Event and the notes are in the Event Notes field. As you said, Event Notes can be searched, although I accept that doing it this way may produce a number of false positives. Please help my tired, old, brain by explaining . Ron Ferguson _ *New Tutorial* Publish your Web Pages - Blogshttp://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [LegacyUG] Searching Location notes fieldDate: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:45:26 +1300 It is common practice to record the location of an event as it was at the time of that event. The Location Notes field can then be used to annotate this location with any changes in name, boundary amendments, the current name of the place, or historical notes. Many of the notes fields, and several other rather minor fields within Legacy can be searched from the Search Detailed search procedure. Location Notes do not appear in any of the drop-down selections. Is there any way to search this Location Notes field for a particular (current?) name, or for anything else in that field? Is there a quick way to find which Locations have notes against them? If not, is this something we should ask the programmers to have a look at? Boyd Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.aspArchived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.aspTo unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp _ See the most popular videos on the web http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/115454061/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Searching Location notes field
ronald ferguson wrote: What exactly do you mean by Location Notes. My locations are all part of an Event and the notes are in the Event Notes field. As you said, Event Notes can be searched, although I accept that doing it this way may produce a number of false positives. Please help my tired, old, brain by explaining . You must really be tired, Ron. :-) Master Location List. Edit a Location. See there's a Notes field. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg. Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Searching Location notes field
Ron, Please forgive me for asking you something that has nothing to do with your present conversation. Let me tell you where this is coming from to help you understand what my hangup is. I've been researching for over 40 years and have amassed a beautiful collection of documents that fill several binders. It suddenly occurred to me that I'm getting a little older and that if I were to pass this collection down to our children, they'd be lost. That's because it needs to be better organized. I tried to organize it through the years. Unfortunately, each system of notekeeping broke down as the collection of information increased. I've finally decided to use the system put forth of fileyourpapers.com. My goal is to go through these records and make the sources as correct as I know how. I'm using the Deluxe version of Legacy and love it. At the same time, the genealogy people in our area are also trying to teach people how to properly document their sources. We are in the throes of inviting those who are interested to move from PAF to Legacy. What that means is that finally after two years of pleading, they are putting the standard version of Legacy on the computers at our center so that we have a choice of which program to use. Now to my hangups. I've bought Getting It Right, Evidence Explained, and the first skinny Evidence book. Also have the Legacy manual. I'd like to buy the E book but can't afford it right now. My hangup is this: I don't understand how the following terms are used: a.. event b.. tags c.. event tags Now before you think me totally stupid, here's my problem. I read in Getting It Right that an event has attributes such as date and time, geographic location, and an activity (event). It's confusing to see the word event in (). I'm not sure what's meant by that. Perhaps my inability to understand event may stem from confusing event with a record or a source. I'm pretty hard wired for these things. What I'm seeing is that some things that have these attributes don't seem to be perceived as events. And so I truly don't understand the concept of an event. Everyone talks about tags. I read through all the tags in Getting It Right. Still, even in the Legacy manual and elsewhere, people seem to expect me to understand what a tag is, specifically what it does, and what it's used for. It's just assumed. I wish someone could gently lead me by the hand and explain this confusion so I can get on with the piles of binders patiently waiting for me to organize them. Could you explain any of these terms in understandable, plain English? Computers don't scare me. However, I haven't quite made a total mental crossover between my records and computers, even though I started using PAF practically the day it came out. Any suggestions you could make would be greatly appreciated. The E book sounds really good, but I can't afford it at the moment; likewise the same for the Legacy videos. They do a great job. My biggest complaint is that after all the reading and digging, I have yet to see an actual example of how a census or a vital record looks when properly entered into Legacy. Also, I'm a little hung up on the anatomy of some of my vital records certificates. For instance, there may be more than one set of numbers on a birth certificate. What do they represent and which does one list and how? I'm sure both sets are important. I hope these questions make sense and that you wouldn't mind enlightening me so I can cross over and get going on this pile of stuff. Thanks, Marion - Original Message - From: ronald ferguson To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 4:30 AM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Searching Location notes field Boyd, It may be that a reply containing rubbish, or nothing, may have been sent as I accidently hit the send button when checking something. What exactly do you mean by Location Notes. My locations are all part of an Event and the notes are in the Event Notes field. As you said, Event Notes can be searched, although I accept that doing it this way may produce a number of false positives. Please help my tired, old, brain by explaining . Ron Ferguson _ *New Tutorial* Publish your Web Pages - Blogs http://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Searching Location notes field Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:45:26 +1300 It is common practice to record the location
Re: [LegacyUG] Searching Location notes field
P. S. One more. Is Legacy U3 compliant yet? - Original Message - From: ronald ferguson To: legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 4:30 AM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Searching Location notes field Boyd, It may be that a reply containing rubbish, or nothing, may have been sent as I accidently hit the send button when checking something. What exactly do you mean by Location Notes. My locations are all part of an Event and the notes are in the Event Notes field. As you said, Event Notes can be searched, although I accept that doing it this way may produce a number of false positives. Please help my tired, old, brain by explaining . Ron Ferguson _ *New Tutorial* Publish your Web Pages - Blogs http://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: [LegacyUG] Searching Location notes field Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:45:26 +1300 It is common practice to record the location of an event as it was at the time of that event. The Location Notes field can then be used to annotate this location with any changes in name, boundary amendments, the current name of the place, or historical notes. Many of the notes fields, and several other rather minor fields within Legacy can be searched from the Search Detailed search procedure. Location Notes do not appear in any of the drop-down selections. Is there any way to search this Location Notes field for a particular (current?) name, or for anything else in that field? Is there a quick way to find which Locations have notes against them? If not, is this something we should ask the programmers to have a look at? Boyd Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp -- BigSnapSearch.com - 24 prizes a day, every day. Search now Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Searching Location notes field
A tag is just a tool. You tag records so that you can find them more easily. For example, I might tag everyone that I know died in Lamar Co, MS so that I could bring the list up easily to check the list against my Lamar Co, MS Cemetery book. If you are going to the MS state archives, you could tag everyone that died in MS after 1916 to make a list of who you can check CODs on. Sure, you could just print out a list but if you tag them you can flip through them quickly adding the COD info. You could tag everyone in your direct line that is missing a death date. Then you could systematically work on just that one area. You don't have to use tags at all. It is only a tool to use to make things easier. Events... You can also look at the event screen as a tool as well. You don't have to use events! You could write everything in narrative form in the notes and I am sure there are some people that do just that. You can pick and chose which events you want to use and you add your own. Legacy is completely customizable. There are certain things I use events for and other things I don't. I use a mix of events and narrative. I think some things just look and sound better when written in a narrative form and not as a fact. It is totally up to you! michele - Original Message - From: Marion Rainey To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Searching Location notes field Ron, Please forgive me for asking you something that has nothing to do with your present conversation. Let me tell you where this is coming from to help you understand what my hangup is. I've been researching for over 40 years and have amassed a beautiful collection of documents that fill several binders. It suddenly occurred to me that I'm getting a little older and that if I were to pass this collection down to our children, they'd be lost. That's because it needs to be better organized. I tried to organize it through the years. Unfortunately, each system of notekeeping broke down as the collection of information increased. I've finally decided to use the system put forth of fileyourpapers.com. My goal is to go through these records and make the sources as correct as I know how. I'm using the Deluxe version of Legacy and love it. At the same time, the genealogy people in our area are also trying to teach people how to properly document their sources. We are in the throes of inviting those who are interested to move from PAF to Legacy. What that means is that finally after two years of pleading, they are putting the standard version of Legacy on the computers at our center so that we have a choice of which program to use. Now to my hangups. I've bought Getting It Right, Evidence Explained, and the first skinny Evidence book. Also have the Legacy manual. I'd like to buy the E book but can't afford it right now. My hangup is this: I don't understand how the following terms are used: a.. event b.. tags c.. event tags Now before you think me totally stupid, here's my problem. I read in Getting It Right that an event has attributes such as date and time, geographic location, and an activity (event). It's confusing to see the word event in (). I'm not sure what's meant by that. Perhaps my inability to understand event may stem from confusing event with a record or a source. I'm pretty hard wired for these things. What I'm seeing is that some things that have these attributes don't seem to be perceived as events. And so I truly don't understand the concept of an event. Everyone talks about tags. I read through all the tags in Getting It Right. Still, even in the Legacy manual and elsewhere, people seem to expect me to understand what a tag is, specifically what it does, and what it's used for. It's just assumed. I wish someone could gently lead me by the hand and explain this confusion so I can get on with the piles of binders patiently waiting for me to organize them. Could you explain any of these terms in understandable, plain English? Computers don't scare me. However, I haven't quite made a total mental crossover between my records and computers, even though I started using PAF practically the day it came out. Any suggestions you could make would be greatly appreciated. The E book sounds really good, but I can't afford it at the moment; likewise the same for the Legacy videos. They do a great job. My biggest complaint is that after all the reading and digging, I have yet to see an actual example of how a census or a vital record looks when properly entered into Legacy. Also, I'm a little hung up on the anatomy of some of my vital records certificates. For instance, there may be more than one set of numbers on a birth certificate. What do they represent and which does one list and how? I'm sure both sets
Re: [LegacyUG] Searching Location notes field
Thanks for the info, Michele. - Original Message - From: Michele Lewis To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 7:15 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Searching Location notes field A tag is just a tool. You tag records so that you can find them more easily. For example, I might tag everyone that I know died in Lamar Co, MS so that I could bring the list up easily to check the list against my Lamar Co, MS Cemetery book. If you are going to the MS state archives, you could tag everyone that died in MS after 1916 to make a list of who you can check CODs on. Sure, you could just print out a list but if you tag them you can flip through them quickly adding the COD info. You could tag everyone in your direct line that is missing a death date. Then you could systematically work on just that one area. You don't have to use tags at all. It is only a tool to use to make things easier. Events... You can also look at the event screen as a tool as well. You don't have to use events! You could write everything in narrative form in the notes and I am sure there are some people that do just that. You can pick and chose which events you want to use and you add your own. Legacy is completely customizable. There are certain things I use events for and other things I don't. I use a mix of events and narrative. I think some things just look and sound better when written in a narrative form and not as a fact. It is totally up to you! michele - Original Message - From: Marion Rainey To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Searching Location notes field Ron, Please forgive me for asking you something that has nothing to do with your present conversation. Let me tell you where this is coming from to help you understand what my hangup is. I've been researching for over 40 years and have amassed a beautiful collection of documents that fill several binders. It suddenly occurred to me that I'm getting a little older and that if I were to pass this collection down to our children, they'd be lost. That's because it needs to be better organized. I tried to organize it through the years. Unfortunately, each system of notekeeping broke down as the collection of information increased. I've finally decided to use the system put forth of fileyourpapers.com. My goal is to go through these records and make the sources as correct as I know how. I'm using the Deluxe version of Legacy and love it. At the same time, the genealogy people in our area are also trying to teach people how to properly document their sources. We are in the throes of inviting those who are interested to move from PAF to Legacy. What that means is that finally after two years of pleading, they are putting the standard version of Legacy on the computers at our center so that we have a choice of which program to use. Now to my hangups. I've bought Getting It Right, Evidence Explained, and the first skinny Evidence book. Also have the Legacy manual. I'd like to buy the E book but can't afford it right now. My hangup is this: I don't understand how the following terms are used: a.. event b.. tags c.. event tags Now before you think me totally stupid, here's my problem. I read in Getting It Right that an event has attributes such as date and time, geographic location, and an activity (event). It's confusing to see the word event in (). I'm not sure what's meant by that. Perhaps my inability to understand event may stem from confusing event with a record or a source. I'm pretty hard wired for these things. What I'm seeing is that some things that have these attributes don't seem to be perceived as events. And so I truly don't understand the concept of an event. Everyone talks about tags. I read through all the tags in Getting It Right. Still, even in the Legacy manual and elsewhere, people seem to expect me to understand what a tag is, specifically what it does, and what it's used for. It's just assumed. I wish someone could gently lead me by the hand and explain this confusion so I can get on with the piles of binders patiently waiting for me to organize them. Could you explain any of these terms in understandable, plain English? Computers don't scare me. However, I haven't quite made a total mental crossover between my records and computers, even though I started using PAF practically the day it came out. Any suggestions you could make would be greatly appreciated. The E book sounds really good, but I can't afford it at the moment; likewise the same for the Legacy videos. They do a great job. My biggest complaint is that after all the reading and digging, I have yet to see an actual example of how a census or a vital record looks when properly entered
RE: [LegacyUG] Searching Location notes field
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:21:49 +0200 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Searching Location notes field ronald ferguson wrote: What exactly do you mean by Location Notes. My locations are all part of an Event and the notes are in the Event Notes field. As you said, Event Notes can be searched, although I accept that doing it this way may produce a number of false positives.Please help my tired, old, brain by explaining . You must really be tired, Ron. :-) Master Location List. Edit a Location. See there's a Notes field. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg. I guess you're right, Mike. Yup it's there, you aint gonna believe it but that's where I went to check when I accidently sent the first post :-)Ron Ferguson _ *New Tutorial* Publish your Web Pages - Blogshttp://www.fergys.co.uk View the Grimshaw Family Tree at: http://www.fergys.co.uk/Grimshaw/ For The Fergusons of N.W. England See: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/fergys/ _ _ Win £1000 John Lewis shopping sprees with BigSnapSearch.com http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/117442309/direct/01/ Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
Re: [LegacyUG] Searching Location notes field
Marion Rainey wrote Any suggestions you could make would be greatly appreciated. The E book sounds really good, but I can't afford it at the moment; likewise the same for the Legacy videos. They do a great job. My biggest complaint is that after all the reading and digging, I have yet to see an actual example of how a census or a vital record looks when properly entered into Legacy. Are you meaning how the Source Citation looks, or how the Event itself looks. I presume you mean the former. There are many versions of properly entered according to who you ask, so the right way for you will be however you choose to do it, really. Most importantly, bear in mind that the purpose of a Source Citation is to allow you or anyone else to see exactly how you arrived at a conclusion and - where possible - to replicate the steps. For example, you might use a Birth Certificate as a Source for an Individual's name and date of birth. Your Source Citation needs to identify that you used a Birth Certificate and state where that Birth Certificate can be found and/or where a copy of it can be obtained. If you use the Templates in Legacy 7 you will find that most of the common Sources are covered and they really do lead you step by step through the citation. Each field to be completed has a title which indicates what it should contain and if you hover your cursor over the field name you can read the full version of the grey text explanation that appears in each field before you start typing. (Sometimes its truncated in the field.) Try creating a little test file and work with that, trying out different templates and see how the output looks and decide whether you want to change things at all. You can always use the Override option if you aren't entirely happy with the result. Also, I'm a little hung up on the anatomy of some of my vital records certificates. For instance, there may be more than one set of numbers on a birth certificate. What do they represent and which does one list and how? I'm sure both sets are important. This depends very much on the issuing authority. I can only speak for English and Welsh Certificates which have 1 or 2 numbers: all have the number of the Certificate itself and GRO-issued Certificates have a number identifying the application for the Certificate. The latter is not important and the former not really important to the Citation as someone else can get a Certificate for the same registration which will have a different number on it. What *is* important (in England and Wales) is the Reference Number used to obtain the Certificate. If the Certificate is a GRO copy the reference is usually in the form of Quarter date, Registration District, Volume No and Page No. This is what someone needs to know if they are to obtain a Certificate the same as the one you are citing. If you are talking about Certificates from a specific state in USA or Australia or from elsewhere, then please say which and I'm sure someone with knowledge of that region will help you. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
RE: [LegacyUG] Searching Location notes field
Hi folks, This string has gone totally off the course of my original question relating to Location Notes. It is clear that most respondents have never even noticed the Notes field that is associated with each Location! If you bring up the Master Location list and edit any location you will see a Notes field. This can be used for recording changes to the name of the place as political boundaries change or the place itself changes its name, historical notes about the place, population at any particular time, or anything of interest that relate to the place itself. This is nothing to do with events, except that you will generally have a Location associated with an event. The Location Notes relate to that location itself and therefore to any other part of Legacy in which you use that Location - births, deaths, marriages, events or any other piece of information that has a Location associated with it. There is currently no provision that I can find to search this field for a particular word or something that contains a particular word. It is not one of the fields listed in Search Detailed search Where to look, although that list includes all sorts of other fields (and some like address are covered in great detail even down to telephone numbers). Does anyone know a way to search these Notes? Is this something for a suggested improvement? Boyd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jenny M Benson Sent: Wednesday, 19 November 2008 4:28 a.m. To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Searching Location notes field Marion Rainey wrote Any suggestions you could make would be greatly appreciated. The E book sounds really good, but I can't afford it at the moment; likewise the same for the Legacy videos. They do a great job. My biggest complaint is that after all the reading and digging, I have yet to see an actual example of how a census or a vital record looks when properly entered into Legacy. Are you meaning how the Source Citation looks, or how the Event itself looks. I presume you mean the former. There are many versions of properly entered according to who you ask, so the right way for you will be however you choose to do it, really. Most importantly, bear in mind that the purpose of a Source Citation is to allow you or anyone else to see exactly how you arrived at a conclusion and - where possible - to replicate the steps. For example, you might use a Birth Certificate as a Source for an Individual's name and date of birth. Your Source Citation needs to identify that you used a Birth Certificate and state where that Birth Certificate can be found and/or where a copy of it can be obtained. If you use the Templates in Legacy 7 you will find that most of the common Sources are covered and they really do lead you step by step through the citation. Each field to be completed has a title which indicates what it should contain and if you hover your cursor over the field name you can read the full version of the grey text explanation that appears in each field before you start typing. (Sometimes its truncated in the field.) Try creating a little test file and work with that, trying out different templates and see how the output looks and decide whether you want to change things at all. You can always use the Override option if you aren't entirely happy with the result. Also, I'm a little hung up on the anatomy of some of my vital records certificates. For instance, there may be more than one set of numbers on a birth certificate. What do they represent and which does one list and how? I'm sure both sets are important. This depends very much on the issuing authority. I can only speak for English and Welsh Certificates which have 1 or 2 numbers: all have the number of the Certificate itself and GRO-issued Certificates have a number identifying the application for the Certificate. The latter is not important and the former not really important to the Citation as someone else can get a Certificate for the same registration which will have a different number on it. What *is* important (in England and Wales) is the Reference Number used to obtain the Certificate. If the Certificate is a GRO copy the reference is usually in the form of Quarter date, Registration District, Volume No and Page No. This is what someone needs to know if they are to obtain a Certificate the same as the one you are citing. If you are talking about Certificates from a specific state in USA or Australia or from elsewhere, then please say which and I'm sure someone with knowledge of that region will help you. -- Jenny M Benson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages: http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup@legacyfamilytree.com/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http
Re: [LegacyUG] Searching Location notes field
Try Search and Replace in the Search menu, look for Notes-Location Notes or Lists-Location Notes, but be carefull not to delete any text in those Notes fields. If you just want to search and not to replace anything just enter the same text in the search and in the replace field. Evert 2008/11/19 Boyd Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi folks, This string has gone totally off the course of my original question relating to Location Notes. It is clear that most respondents have never even noticed the Notes field that is associated with each Location! If you bring up the Master Location list and edit any location you will see a Notes field. This can be used for recording changes to the name of the place as political boundaries change or the place itself changes its name, historical notes about the place, population at any particular time, or anything of interest that relate to the place itself. This is nothing to do with events, except that you will generally have a Location associated with an event. The Location Notes relate to that location itself and therefore to any other part of Legacy in which you use that Location - births, deaths, marriages, events or any other piece of information that has a Location associated with it. There is currently no provision that I can find to search this field for a particular word or something that contains a particular word. It is not one of the fields listed in Search Detailed search Where to look, although that list includes all sorts of other fields (and some like address are covered in great detail even down to telephone numbers). Does anyone know a way to search these Notes? Is this something for a suggested improvement? Boyd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jenny M Benson Sent: Wednesday, 19 November 2008 4:28 a.m. To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Searching Location notes field Marion Rainey wrote Any suggestions you could make would be greatly appreciated. The E book sounds really good, but I can't afford it at the moment; likewise the same for the Legacy videos. They do a great job. My biggest complaint is that after all the reading and digging, I have yet to see an actual example of how a census or a vital record looks when properly entered into Legacy. Are you meaning how the Source Citation looks, or how the Event itself looks. I presume you mean the former. There are many versions of properly entered according to who you ask, so the right way for you will be however you choose to do it, really. Most importantly, bear in mind that the purpose of a Source Citation is to allow you or anyone else to see exactly how you arrived at a conclusion and - where possible - to replicate the steps. For example, you might use a Birth Certificate as a Source for an Individual's name and date of birth. Your Source Citation needs to identify that you used a Birth Certificate and state where that Birth Certificate can be found and/or where a copy of it can be obtained. If you use the Templates in Legacy 7 you will find that most of the common Sources are covered and they really do lead you step by step through the citation. Each field to be completed has a title which indicates what it should contain and if you hover your cursor over the field name you can read the full version of the grey text explanation that appears in each field before you start typing. (Sometimes its truncated in the field.) Try creating a little test file and work with that, trying out different templates and see how the output looks and decide whether you want to change things at all. You can always use the Override option if you aren't entirely happy with the result. Also, I'm a little hung up on the anatomy of some of my vital records certificates. For instance, there may be more than one set of numbers on a birth certificate. What do they represent and which does one list and how? I'm sure both sets are important. This depends very much on the issuing authority. I can only speak for English and Welsh Certificates which have 1 or 2 numbers: all have the number of the Certificate itself and GRO-issued Certificates have a number identifying the application for the Certificate. The latter is not important and the former not really important to the Citation as someone else can get a Certificate for the same registration which will have a different number on it. What *is* important (in England and Wales) is the Reference Number used to obtain the Certificate. If the Certificate is a GRO copy the reference is usually in the form of Quarter date, Registration District, Volume No and Page No. This is what someone needs to know if they are to obtain a Certificate the same as the one you are citing. If you are talking about Certificates from a specific state in USA or Australia or from elsewhere, then please say which
RE: [LegacyUG] Searching Location notes field
Thanks Evert, I hadn't tried that approach. However this is a slightly dodgy work-around for something that ought to be included in the normal search procedures. I wonder why that field is in the Find where drop down box in Search Search and Replace and not in the straight Search Find process. Programmer's oversight, or was there a purpose? I haven't checked them all but are there any other fields searchable only from the Search and Replace procedure? Boyd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Evert van Dijken Sent: Wednesday, 19 November 2008 8:27 p.m. To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Searching Location notes field Try Search and Replace in the Search menu, look for Notes-Location Notes or Lists-Location Notes, but be carefull not to delete any text in those Notes fields. If you just want to search and not to replace anything just enter the same text in the search and in the replace field. Evert 2008/11/19 Boyd Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi folks, This string has gone totally off the course of my original question relating to Location Notes. It is clear that most respondents have never even noticed the Notes field that is associated with each Location! If you bring up the Master Location list and edit any location you will see a Notes field. This can be used for recording changes to the name of the place as political boundaries change or the place itself changes its name, historical notes about the place, population at any particular time, or anything of interest that relate to the place itself. This is nothing to do with events, except that you will generally have a Location associated with an event. The Location Notes relate to that location itself and therefore to any other part of Legacy in which you use that Location - births, deaths, marriages, events or any other piece of information that has a Location associated with it. There is currently no provision that I can find to search this field for a particular word or something that contains a particular word. It is not one of the fields listed in Search Detailed search Where to look, although that list includes all sorts of other fields (and some like address are covered in great detail even down to telephone numbers). Does anyone know a way to search these Notes? Is this something for a suggested improvement? Boyd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jenny M Benson Sent: Wednesday, 19 November 2008 4:28 a.m. To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyFamilyTree.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Searching Location notes field Marion Rainey wrote Any suggestions you could make would be greatly appreciated. The E book sounds really good, but I can't afford it at the moment; likewise the same for the Legacy videos. They do a great job. My biggest complaint is that after all the reading and digging, I have yet to see an actual example of how a census or a vital record looks when properly entered into Legacy. Are you meaning how the Source Citation looks, or how the Event itself looks. I presume you mean the former. There are many versions of properly entered according to who you ask, so the right way for you will be however you choose to do it, really. Most importantly, bear in mind that the purpose of a Source Citation is to allow you or anyone else to see exactly how you arrived at a conclusion and - where possible - to replicate the steps. For example, you might use a Birth Certificate as a Source for an Individual's name and date of birth. Your Source Citation needs to identify that you used a Birth Certificate and state where that Birth Certificate can be found and/or where a copy of it can be obtained. If you use the Templates in Legacy 7 you will find that most of the common Sources are covered and they really do lead you step by step through the citation. Each field to be completed has a title which indicates what it should contain and if you hover your cursor over the field name you can read the full version of the grey text explanation that appears in each field before you start typing. (Sometimes its truncated in the field.) Try creating a little test file and work with that, trying out different templates and see how the output looks and decide whether you want to change things at all. You can always use the Override option if you aren't entirely happy with the result. Also, I'm a little hung up on the anatomy of some of my vital records certificates. For instance, there may be more than one set of numbers on a birth certificate. What do they represent and which does one list and how? I'm sure both sets are important. This depends very much on the issuing authority. I can only speak for English and Welsh Certificates which have 1 or 2 numbers: all have the number
