Re: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

2011-10-24 Thread Ron Ferguson
I tend to agree that this topic has run its life cycle, but I do wish to
correct a misunderstanding in your point 3. Those of us who add the house
and street to the location are not trying to enter the mail address, but
simply the full location. This is a different issue to that of the 4 field
convention not working for those of us across the pond which arises because
these 4 fields do not correspond with the way in which we identify a
location.

I do use the Address Records but only for mailing addresses etc for living
people and repositories.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk

-Original Message-
From: BG Johnson
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 12:52 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

This location thing has been beat to death, not only in the last couple of
days, but in previous spurts of similar threads.  So, let me add my
thoughts.

1. It is my opinion that a single field in a database that uses a csv format
within the field is poor design.  It would make more sense to me to use 6
fields(or whatever number makes people happy) and designate 4 of these
fields to contain the necessary information for geocoding.
2. If #1 was adopted, people who are trying to force reports to read the way
they want it would have at least two fields to play with.
3. If #1 was adopted there would be no need to attempt to mix mailing
addresses and geographic locations.  Mailing addresses can be very confusing
when you attempt to locate it on a map.  Here is an example.  Georgetown,
Tennessee is located in Bradley County, Tennessee.  The Georgetown post
office services people who live in Bradley, Hamilton and Meigs Counties.
People who live in Brittsville, Meigs County, Tennessee get their mail at a
Georgetown address.  People that for years received their mail from the
Charleston, Tennessee are now using the Georgetown post office. And the beat
goes on.

Perhaps we should attempt to use the software as designed and ask for
enhancements in reports etc. to give us the output we desire.

bgj

-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 5:26 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.


On this list I have recommended this site
http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~jimella/counties.htm many times for English
locations. As well as describing, as best as one can, a format for them, it
also gives a brief historic background as to how the have evolved over some
2000 years of our history.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

-Original Message-
From: Joan
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 9:37 PM
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Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

My Scottish address has 6 fields and this what I allow for Legacy addresses.
The base problem is that US addressesi are standardised in a way not used in
other countries.

Uk addresses.can vary from 3 - 6 lines, they are not consistent. My current
address has 'house name', 'hamlet', 'post-town', ' county', 'postcode',
'country'. The commonest UK address form is probably 'house number + street
name', 'town', 'county', 'postcode',  'country'.

Joan



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RE: [LegacyUG] Apology

2011-10-24 Thread Bernhard Scholz
Robert,

I don't see any reason why you should apologize.

So many users write in HTML.

Why not you too.

I use only use the plain text format due to the higher security.

Every user has the possibilty to chose which format to use when answering.

Don't make any thoughts about the format you write in.

Bernhard


From: Robert E. Carneal [mailto:kentuckygenealog...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 2:52 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Apology


To everyone, I meant to send my last post in plain text.  Maybe I should give up
trying to remember plain text, and just use my favorite font. (Courier, this
font) I do apologize for causing any problems.

Thank you.

Robert
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RE: [LegacyUG] some of my notes have disappeared

2011-10-24 Thread Erica Portelli
Hi Alan
Have just replied to Ron so won't repeat it all again but in answer to you,  I 
wasn't using the family search interface, I was reading from jpgs on Ancestry 
and typing the transcription into the notes field on legacy - no RAID0 on the 
laptop. (I just had to google to find out what it was!)

I'll just take things slower and keep an eye on it (and lots of saves and 
backups)
If it happens again I'll contact tech support
Thanks
Erica

-Original Message-
From: Alan Pereira [mailto:alanpere...@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Sunday, 23 October 2011 11:00 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] some of my notes have disappeared

Erica, I had this problem when using the New Family Search Interface, although 
I am not so sure this was the only culprit.  I also use Windows 7 64 bit and my 
laptop is RAID0.  Do any of these provide other common featrures for losing 
data?
Alan




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RE: [LegacyUG] Picture Gallery

2011-10-24 Thread Ray Mechler
Brian-
Yes, I did go into Option  Customize  View and selected and saved Only 
tagged Preferred as suggested by Sherry.  It did not work for me.  Not sure 
why.

By the way, I am using the most current Version: 7.5.0.112.  I suppose that I 
could do as was suggested earlier in this thread and remove these images from 
the individual's Picture Gallery and then reselect them as Files.  Seems to be 
a bit of a bother right now, especially since I have quite a few individuals 
with this problem.  Not a big deal but sort of low on the priority list right 
now.

Ray

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From: Brian/Support [mailto:br...@legacyfamilytree.com]
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 5:44 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Picture Gallery

Did you also follow her instructions about going to Options  Customize?
You have to have that set correctly as well as having the preferred
picture untagged.

Brian
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
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When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence.
Thanks.

On 22/10/2011 6:30 AM, Ray Mechler wrote:
 I tried Sherry's approach and it did not work for me.

 I have an individual with 3 jpg images of documents in his Photo Gallery.  I 
 untagged all images in the Photo Gallery and the same jpeg image is still 
 displayed for the individual. I even tried to untag all images except one 
 different from the original image and the image for the original document 
 (now untagged) continues to be displayed.

 Ray Mechler

 -Original Message-
 From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com]
 Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 9:26 AM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Picture Gallery

 Easier yet...

 Untag all images in the Picture Gallery for the individual who doesn't
 have any pictures you want to show on the Family View.

 Then go to Options  Customize  View and under Picture of Main
 Person select Only tagged preferred.

 No images will show for that person.

 Sincerely,
 Sherry
 Technical Support
 Legacy Family Tree



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RE: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

2011-10-24 Thread Bernhard Scholz
G'day Jenny,

had a look at the map of NSW and was supprised to see you're at the same
geographical height of Canberra.

I know that, many hundred of towns Downunder eg. Timber Creek, NT, are so small
that they're not only the town but eg. could be the council at the same time as
they are upto hundreds of kilometers from the next big city eg. Darwin.

But I know there are many citys where the 4 field format could be used without
any problems.
E.g. Canberra, Sydney, Brisbane, Adelaide, etc.

In your case it could be

Ulladulla, Ulladulla, NSW, Australia
Or
Ulladulla, Gilmore, NSW, Australia. using the electorla area.

btw. How do you say it, eg. like: Youlladulla (for a nonen Aussie)

For example there is a city called Esslingen in southern Germany near Stuttgart.

1.  the city is called Esslingen,
2.  the district, county or eg. coucil is also called Esslingen
3.  in the eg. State Baden-Wuerttember,
4.  Germany

Thus the 4 field location would be

Esslingen, Esslingen, Baden-Wuerttemberg, Germany



I think the mistake you're making is mixing of the community and electoral
boarders as these never have to be the same.
They could be the same for some time.

The electoral boarders are mainly of interest for the political side of
research. The communal for the research of the location and it's boarders.

Don't remember which tool for Legacy showing the problems with boarder changes
in the past, but it was a very good example, showing how boarder changes in a
young growing country, eg. The USA, can be very important for locating the
location data. Town, County, State, Country.

Think of your prior boardes.

The example I'd like'll use in the next emails will be for

Mitchell Park, in the council of Marion (south of Adelaide), South
Australia, Australia.

This is a good example of how the 4 field location works around the world.

Bernahrd





-Original Message-
From: Tony Rolfe [mai lto:geneal...@gillandtony.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 2:17 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

Bernhard

In Australia we only use town and state, so 3 fields with country.  The town of
Ulladulla, NSW, Australia, for example, is in the local government area of
Shoalhaven, the Federal electorate of Gilmore and the State electorate of South
Coast, but none of those would be used in a location.

Jenny

I simply can't remember exactly what the problem was. 5 years ago I had computer
problems and lost all archived e-mails. I know, however, that it was
sufficiently serious or annoying for me to contact Legacy support and then,
after their advice, to spend a significant amount of time correcting all my
locations.

Certainly, if you feed that address into the Geo search engine, it looks for a
town of High Street in a county of Morden.  I'm sure that there would have been
more to it than that.

To all.

If you record a birth location as Smallville Hospital, 123, Small Street,
Smallville, rest of location, what do you use the birth address field for?

How do you handle a situation where ancestors living in the same house over 3
censuses, are shown as 125 Cundy Street, Sheffield on the first and third
census, but 125 Cundy Street, Nether Hallam on the second one?

Don't you have thousands of locations?  I have a small database (3300
individuals and 850 marriages) but even just using town as my smallest entity I
have almost 800 locations.  If I split each location intoindividual addresses,
it would probably triple the number of locations.

Maybe I should revert to the old scheme again, but putting street addresses back
into locations will take a Looong time.  What are the advantages?  Is it
actually worth worrying about?

Thanks to all for the advice so far.  This is getting a bit away from the
original question, but is still on the topic of locations, so I don't see a need
to change the title.

Tony


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RE: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

2011-10-24 Thread Erica Portelli
Bernhard, don't confuse us poor Aussies anymore, we already have Wagga Wagga 
which is only ever called Wagga, and Woy Woy which is never called just Woy, 
please no Ulladulla, Ulladulla !(just kidding)
and I doubt if even the locals of Ulladulla would know they were in Gilmore 
electorate unless there was an election due - electoral boundaries seem to be a 
moveable object in Australia, our house has been in three different electorates 
in 30 years, personally I would never include that in a location.
As you have suggested, the 4 fields could be used to include a suburb of one of 
our major cities eg Glebe, Sydney, NSW, Australia  but it's not something most 
Australians would use unless you were trying to describe the general location 
of Glebe to someone.
 After all this discussion, I have decided to stay with my original fields of 
street address, town or suburb, state, country.

Btw closest pronunciation I can think of is ull as in sea  gull

Cheers
Erica

-Original Message-
From: Bernhard Scholz [mailto:scholz-c...@gmx.de]
Sent: Monday, 24 October 2011 10:04 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

G'day Jenny,

had a look at the map of NSW and was supprised to see you're at the same 
geographical height of Canberra.

I know that, many hundred of towns Downunder eg. Timber Creek, NT, are so small 
that they're not only the town but eg. could be the council at the same time as 
they are upto hundreds of kilometers from the next big city eg. Darwin.

But I know there are many citys where the 4 field format could be used without 
any problems.
E.g. Canberra, Sydney, Brisbane, Adelaide, etc.

In your case it could be

Ulladulla, Ulladulla, NSW, Australia
Or
Ulladulla, Gilmore, NSW, Australia. using the electorla area.

btw. How do you say it, eg. like: Youlladulla (for a nonen Aussie)




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RE: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

2011-10-24 Thread Bernhard Scholz
Mary,

I only have about 26 000 individuals in my family file. I know of people having
over 800 000 individuals in their DB.

In my case recording only 2 locations for each would mean to have 52 000
locations and that for over 500 years.

These individuals lived in less than 400 locations.

To record an event eg. the location for the birth is very simple.

1.  add the data of the birth
2.  click on the plus sign on the right of the birth field
3.  click on it and then click on the Birth Addrress
4.  in this window you have all you need!!
you can enter the address and the exact location without adding a new
location for the birth.

First of all you could have a great international legal problem ,eg. Europe, if
you publish data like the addresses and these are from living.

You say you don'like the output of the reports using the present location
outputs, but which ones as we have about 20 possibilies.

For your Census case it could be that these persons where living somewhere else
at to the time between the 1. and 3. census.

As you say Legacy is a relational database do you what it means entering
Eg.
Smallville Hospital, 123, Small Street, Smallville, rest of location

I don't think so.
If so, please describe it's function.

If not, please don't use terms you can't describe but only heard about.


Bernhard


-Original Message-
From: M. Brenzel [mailto:brenze...@roadrunner.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 3:24 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

Tony,

See below for my replies for each of your questions.

Mary


--If you record a birth location as Smallville Hospital, 123, Small Street,
Smallville, rest of location, what do you use the birth address field for?

I don't use the address fields for birth, death, burial, etc. as I don't like
how they appear or don't appear in reports or webpages.  I do have about 60
addresses in the master list set up for source repositories and to-do items.

--How do you handle a situation where ancestors living in the same house over 3
censuses, are shown as 125 Cundy Street, Sheffield on the first and third
census, but 125 --Cundy Street, Nether Hallam on the second one?

How could the location be the same for the 1st and 3rd censuses but not the 2nd?
I can see it changing over time but not likely to change and then change back.

--Don't you have thousands of locations?  I have a small database (3300
individuals and 850 marriages) but even just using town as my smallest entity I
have almost 800  --locations.  If I split each location into individual
addresses, it would probably triple the number of locations.

No, I don't have thousands of locations.  My database contains 2266 individuals,
823 marriages and 711 locations.  Of those 711 locations, there are 59 in the
city where I grew up.  Every address where someone lived, every church, every
hospital, every cemetery is individually listed in my locations.

As Ron Ferguson (I think) stated, because this is a relational database, it can
handle these locations quite easily.  Enter once and use many times if needed.

--Maybe I should revert to the old scheme again, but putting street addresses
back into locations will take a Looong time.  What are the advantages?  Is
it actually --worth worrying about?

It all depends upon what you want.  As has been said many times, Legacy is
so flexible that we can all use it the way we want.  If you are happy using
the address fields on the birth, death, etc. events, then go ahead.  That's your
choice.  I prefer to have all of the address included in the locations so that
they appear IN FULL in my web pages and reports.






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Re: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

2011-10-24 Thread Mike Fry
On 2011/10/24 14:03, Bernhard Scholz wrote:

 If not, please don't use terms you can't describe but only heard about.

It also helps us when you

a) Use the titles that Legacy uses for each Window
b) real field labels

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg


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RE: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

2011-10-24 Thread Bernhard Scholz
Alan,

WOW, great ANSWER.

Or otherwise.

Why to try cure the symtoms instead of sickness.

Bernhard



-Original Message-
From: Alan Pereira [mailto:alanpere...@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 2:06 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

Altering the foot to fit the shoe leads to all sorts of pain in the long run -
especially sharing information with other who have not been privy to this forum.
Alan

-Original Message-
From: Ward Walker [mailto:wnkwal...@rogers.com]
Sent: 22 October 2011 17:47
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

You've seen all the other replies, but if you still wish to have the town in the
first field, and if you just want to add simple qualifiers like 'High Street',
or a cemetery name, or a hospital name, then consider this
convention: Morden - High Street, Surrey, England. This sorts all the Morden's
together (if you prefer to stick with left-to-right sorting). For geo-coding,
you might still have to do as Bruce suggested and doctor the location first to
obtain the geo-location, then add the finishing touches.

  Ward

- Original Message -
From: Tony Rolfe geneal...@gillandtony.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 7:04 PM
Subject: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.


My problem, all those years ago, was that when I entered a location as
Morden, Surrey, England Legacy was able to deduce that Morden was a
town.  However, if I entered High Street, Morden, Surrey, England,
Legacy assumed that the town was High Street, and this confused the
issue somewhat.

The advice I was given then was to only put towns in the location field
and so I spent a couple of weeks straightening it all out and here I am.

I would love to go back to the old scheme, but the 4-field location
means that I would have to put random commas in the middle of addresses
which have no rational reason for being there.

Everyone says how wonderfully flexible Legacy is and, in most cases,
this is true.  However, in one of the most important areas of genealogy,
getting locations correct, Legacy is about as flexible as a 6-inch I-Beam.

The really annoying thing is that it would be so simple to fix.

Anyway, I'll get off my soapbox and get back to the issue in question.
The simplest way, I guess, would be to have a location of At Sea, use
the death address field for more info on the location as and when that
becomes available and put the rest into Medical Notes/Death Cause.

Thanks for the advice.

Tony



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[LegacyUG] Search Cemetery Name

2011-10-24 Thread BF
Is there a way to search for a cemetery name?  I changed a few 'Hillside 
Cemetery, Toledo, KS' to Topeka!  It really is Toledo... Just wondered how many 
I entered incorrectly.
 
Betty
FL

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Re: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

2011-10-24 Thread M. Brenzel
Bernard,

As I have said many times, I do not see the value of using the Address field on 
the birth, death, etc. events.  I KNOW how to use it but I choose NOT to for 
the reasons I have given.  Legacy is very flexible and I don't like how those 
addresses appear in my reports and webpages.  Which ones I use is irrelevant.

I use the addresses as Ron Ferguson does and stated just a few messages ago - 
for the addresses of repositories.

BTW, I don't publish information about living people.

And the census case was not mine but Tony's.

One last point, I am an IT professional.  Please don't insult my intelligence 
by telling me that I shouldn't use terms that I don't understand.

Mary

Sent from my iPad

On Oct 24, 2011, at 8:03 AM, Bernhard Scholz scholz-c...@gmx.de wrote:

 Mary,

 I only have about 26 000 individuals in my family file. I know of people 
 having
 over 800 000 individuals in their DB.

 In my case recording only 2 locations for each would mean to have 52 000
 locations and that for over 500 years.

 These individuals lived in less than 400 locations.

 To record an event eg. the location for the birth is very simple.

 1.add the data of the birth
 2.click on the plus sign on the right of the birth field
 3.click on it and then click on the Birth Addrress
 4.in this window you have all you need!!
you can enter the address and the exact location without adding a new
 location for the birth.

 First of all you could have a great international legal problem ,eg. Europe, 
 if
 you publish data like the addresses and these are from living.

 You say you don'like the output of the reports using the present location
 outputs, but which ones as we have about 20 possibilies.

 For your Census case it could be that these persons where living somewhere 
 else
 at to the time between the 1. and 3. census.

 As you say Legacy is a relational database do you what it means entering
 Eg.
Smallville Hospital, 123, Small Street, Smallville, rest of location

 I don't think so.
 If so, please describe it's function.

 If not, please don't use terms you can't describe but only heard about.


 Bernhard


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Re: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

2011-10-24 Thread Randy Clark
How about we move on from this personal vendetta?


On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 8:24 AM, M. Brenzel brenze...@roadrunner.comwrote:

 Bernard,

 As I have said many times, I do not see the value of using the Address
 field on the birth, death, etc. events.  I KNOW how to use it but I choose
 NOT to for the reasons I have given.  Legacy is very flexible and I don't
 like how those addresses appear in my reports and webpages.  Which ones I
 use is irrelevant.

 I use the addresses as Ron Ferguson does and stated just a few messages ago
 - for the addresses of repositories.

 BTW, I don't publish information about living people.

 And the census case was not mine but Tony's.

 One last point, I am an IT professional.  Please don't insult my
 intelligence by telling me that I shouldn't use terms that I don't
 understand.

 Mary

 Sent from my iPad

 On Oct 24, 2011, at 8:03 AM, Bernhard Scholz scholz-c...@gmx.de wrote:

  Mary,
 
  I only have about 26 000 individuals in my family file. I know of people
 having
  over 800 000 individuals in their DB.
 
  In my case recording only 2 locations for each would mean to have 52 000
  locations and that for over 500 years.
 
  These individuals lived in less than 400 locations.
 
  To record an event eg. the location for the birth is very simple.
 
  1.add the data of the birth
  2.click on the plus sign on the right of the birth field
  3.click on it and then click on the Birth Addrress
  4.in this window you have all you need!!
 you can enter the address and the exact location without adding a new
  location for the birth.
 
  First of all you could have a great international legal problem ,eg.
 Europe, if
  you publish data like the addresses and these are from living.
 
  You say you don'like the output of the reports using the present location
  outputs, but which ones as we have about 20 possibilies.
 
  For your Census case it could be that these persons where living
 somewhere else
  at to the time between the 1. and 3. census.
 
  As you say Legacy is a relational database do you what it means entering
  Eg.
 Smallville Hospital, 123, Small Street, Smallville, rest of location
 
  I don't think so.
  If so, please describe it's function.
 
  If not, please don't use terms you can't describe but only heard about.
 
 
  Bernhard


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Re: [LegacyUG] Search Cemetery Name

2011-10-24 Thread Mike Fry
On 2011/10/24 14:09, BF wrote:

 Is there a way to search for a cemetery name? I changed a few 'Hillside
 Cemetery, Toledo, KS' to Topeka! It really is Toledo... Just wondered how 
 many I
 entered incorrectly.

Well, are these Locations? If so use the Master Location List and combine the
corresponding Toledo and Topeka entries. Very quick, no editing of individuals,
marriages, events etc required.

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg


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Re: [LegacyUG] Search Cemetery Name

2011-10-24 Thread Ron Ferguson
Betty,

It would help if we knew where in Legacy you have entered it!

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/


From: BF
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 1:09 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Search Cemetery Name

Is there a way to search for a cemetery name?  I changed a few 'Hillside 
Cemetery, Toledo, KS' to Topeka!  It really is Toledo... Just wondered how many 
I entered incorrectly.

Betty
FL
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Re: [LegacyUG] Search Cemetery Name

2011-10-24 Thread BF
Thanks Ron  Mike.  Master Loc List is probably something I don't know about.  
I just have them listed on the individual page - 'died 3 Mar 1872, then under 
buried - Hillside Cemetery, Toldeo, Chase, KS'.
Betty
FL

From: Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Search Cemetery Name


Betty,
 
It would help if we knew where in Legacy you have entered it!
 
Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/
 
 
From: BF
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 1:09 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Search Cemetery Name
Is there a way to search for a cemetery name?  I changed a few 'Hillside 
Cemetery, Toledo, KS' to Topeka!  It really is Toledo... Just wondered how many 
I entered incorrectly.

Betty
FL
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Re: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

2011-10-24 Thread M. Brenzel
Randy,

I wouldn't classify this as a personal vendetta.  I was merely clarifying my 
position on the use of the Address field and defending my knowledge and 
experience in the world of technology.

Consider this now dropped.

Mary

On Oct 24, 2011, at 8:28 AM, Randy Clark ceddaco...@gmail.com wrote:

 How about we move on from this personal vendetta?


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Re: [LegacyUG] Search Cemetery Name

2011-10-24 Thread Jenny M Benson
On 24/10/2011 13:59, BF wrote:
 Master Loc List is probably something I don't know about.  I just
 have them listed on the individual page - 'died 3 Mar 1872, then
 under buried - Hillside Cemetery, Toldeo, Chase, KS'.

Any locations that you enter in a where field (ie for place of Birth,
Baptism, Death, Burial, Event) are all stored in a long list by Legacy.
  When you want to enter a location you have used before, you will find
that Legacy remembers it because it has checked its list and will
autofill the field for you once you've entered a few letters.

When you need to edit a location or delete one or just look at the list
go to ViewMaster ListsLocation... and make your changes there.

Suppose you had written Hillside Cemetery, Toledo, Chase, KS just
once, in Joe Bloggs's Burial location field and you went to Joe's
Information page and changed the address to Topeka.  This would add a
new location of Hillside Cemetery, Topeka, Chase, KS to the Master
List but would not delete the incorrect one.  It's probably a good idea
for you to click on OptionsPurge unused on the Master Locations screen
as you may have a few unwanted entries.  If you haven't any, no harm done.

--
Jenny M Benson


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RE: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

2011-10-24 Thread Bernhard Scholz
Joan,

if I understand you and think you're rigth,
shouldn't it be time for the members of the UK or GB, not speaking for the
Commonwealth, to have one postal system for all locations or is this ONLY a
historical problem.

I hope I'm right and that Ron and I mean the same.

There is a great difference between the ADDRESS and the LOCATION.

Historical addresses and their locations are a hard ones to documenting locate.
We have to differiate between an addresses and its location.

A LOCATION is the place, eg. a tombstone, town or village, where something
happened.
This position will stay the same after hundreds of years.

As the names of addresses have changed many times in the last century it can be
difficult to find the location.

There is a very good examples like in Russia eg.
The name, addresses could have changed many times in the past 80 years but the
location is still the same.

Saint Petersburg, Leningard, Saint Petersburg.

Addresses should not be saved in the LOCATION data but in the other
possibilities we have in Legacy.

Perhaps this was a small help for help for you.

Bernhard





-Original Message-
From: Joan [mailto:jk...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 10:38 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

My Scottish address has 6 fields and this what I allow for Legacy addresses. The
base problem is that US addressesi are standardised in a way not used in other
countries.

Uk addresses.can vary from 3 - 6 lines, they are not consistent. My current
address has 'house name', 'hamlet', 'post-town', ' county', 'postcode',
'country'. The commonest UK address form is probably 'house number + street
name', 'town', 'county', 'postcode',  'country'.

Joan



On 22 Oct 2011, at 23:47, Jan Roberts poo...@ozemail.com.au wrote:

 Not in Australia to my knowledge.

 Cheers
 Jan
 -Original Message-
 From: Bernhard Scholz [mailto:scholz-c...@gmx.de]
 Sent: Saturday, 22 October 2011 21:34
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

 Ron,

 I have to disagree as the 4 field convention is not only an American
 idea but also used in many other countries around the world. eg.
 Australia, Austria, Germany and if I remeber right in Switzerland.

 BTW, as you live in England what do your neighbours living in Irland,
 Scotland and Wales think of this ;-).

 Bernhard



 -Original Message-
 From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
 Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 1:39 AM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

 Tony,

 I am tempted to ask what 4 field convention? I do not use this
 American idea, and it only affects the Geolocator. It has no effect on
anything else.
 Indeed the Bing mapping will even take you to the street provided that
 it still exists. Legacy Locations can accept up to 9 fields (I think - without
checking).
 The only other thing I do is to set the Location List to read from
 right to left, so that I can easy see which people are next to/near each
other.

 BTW. being from England myself I learned a long time ago that the 4
 field convention does not work for most of our locations, oh! and I do
 not put any of those extra commas in.

 Ron Ferguson
 http://www.fergys.co.uk/





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RE: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

2011-10-24 Thread Bernhard Scholz
Ron,

sorry you're barking up the wrong tree.

I can't see a double commas?

You're right there aren't any double commas but as can be seen in Paul's example

Townsville, , Queensland, Australia

there is a blank  between the two commas.

For a notation using the 4 field version it is usual to separate two commas with
a blank to make better readable.
These extra commas can be removed when printing reports.

In Paul's example we have a typical example of using the internationaly more
common use of 4 fields for a location.

1.  we have the town of Townsville
2.  we have a missing county, district, council or what it may be called
there.
3.  we have the state of Queensland
4.  we have the counrty of Australia.

Something you can do is use Google and check


http://www.marion.sa.gov.au/webdata/resources/files/City_Boundary_Map.pdf

Suprise, suprise.

here can be seen and looking at my images
locations_downunder_01.jpg to locations_downunder_04.jpgthat eg.

that

1.  Mitchell Park is a town in
2.  the council of Marion in
3.  the state of South Australia and in
4.  the country of Australia




-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 9:58 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

Paul,

For me Townsville, , Queensland, Australia Ugh!! I cannot stand those double
commas. May I also ask what is missing, as a previous poster has said that in
Aussie there is nothing between the town and the state?

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/


-Original Message-
From: Paul Brown
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 3:24 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

I have used the 4 fields since the Geo Location Database first came out.
The facility to suppress double commas in printing is sufficient for output, as
the second field is blank.  I have encouraged many in our LUG to follow suit.

Advantages far outweigh the disadvantages.  Then comes the matter of personal
preference.

Cheers

Paul

Townsville, , Queensland, Australia.

- Original Message -
From: Jan Roberts poo...@ozemail.com.au
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 8:47 AM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.


Not in Australia to my knowledge.

Cheers
Jan
-Original Message-
From: Bernhard Scholz [mailto:scholz-c...@gmx.de]
Sent: Saturday, 22 October 2011 21:34
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

Ron,

I have to disagree as the 4 field convention is not only an American idea
but
also used in many other countries around the world. eg. Australia, Austria,
Germany and if I remeber right in Switzerland.

BTW, as you live in England what do your neighbours living in Irland,
Scotland
and Wales think of this ;-).

Bernhard



-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 1:39 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

Tony,

I am tempted to ask what 4 field convention? I do not use this American
idea,
and it only affects the Geolocator. It has no effect on anything else.
Indeed the Bing mapping will even take you to the street provided that it
still
exists. Legacy Locations can accept up to 9 fields (I think - without
checking).
The only other thing I do is to set the Location List to read from right to
left, so that I can easy see which people are next to/near each other.

BTW. being from England myself I learned a long time ago that the 4 field
convention does not work for most of our locations, oh! and I do not put any
of
those extra commas in.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/



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Re: [LegacyUG] Search Cemetery Name

2011-10-24 Thread Ron Ferguson
Betty,

Sounds like you have them in the Locations, as Mike suggested, you will find 
the Master List at ViewMaster ListsLocations. Find the one which contains 
“Topeka” and highlight it, click the ‘Combine With’ button, then find the 
record with “Toldeo” in it, again highlight the record and click ‘Combine 
With’. All changed Job done'. However if you have Topeka correctly in some 
locations, you will have to change each record individually. Using Search 
SearchReplace and opting to confirm each one is probably the best way of doing 
this.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/


From: BF
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 1:59 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Search Cemetery Name

Thanks Ron  Mike.  Master Loc List is probably something I don't know about.  
I just have them listed on the individual page - 'died 3 Mar 1872, then under 
buried - Hillside Cemetery, Toldeo, Chase, KS'.
Betty
FL

From: Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Search Cemetery Name


Betty,

It would help if we knew where in Legacy you have entered it!

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/


From: BF
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 1:09 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Search Cemetery Name

Is there a way to search for a cemetery name?  I changed a few 'Hillside 
Cemetery, Toledo, KS' to Topeka!  It really is Toledo... Just wondered how many 
I entered incorrectly.

Betty
FL

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RE: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

2011-10-24 Thread Bernhard Scholz
Ron,

thanks for the link ,but it's not up todate.

The present link is:
http://www.jimella.me.uk/counties.cfm

Could be a great help for people with British roots.

Bernahrd

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Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 11:26 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.


On this list I have recommended this site
http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~jimella/counties.htm many times for English
locations. As well as describing, as best as one can, a format for them, it also
gives a brief historic background as to how the have evolved over some 2000
years of our history.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

-Original Message-
From: Joan
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 9:37 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

My Scottish address has 6 fields and this what I allow for Legacy addresses.
The base problem is that US addressesi are standardised in a way not used in
other countries.

Uk addresses.can vary from 3 - 6 lines, they are not consistent. My current
address has 'house name', 'hamlet', 'post-town', ' county', 'postcode',
'country'. The commonest UK address form is probably 'house number + street
name', 'town', 'county', 'postcode',  'country'.

Joan




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Re: [LegacyUG] Picture Gallery

2011-10-24 Thread Brian/Support
Ray,

I have tested and the problem is in Legacy. The options on display of
tagged and untagged pictures do not work. I have entered a problem
report in our tracking system to have this fixed.

Brian
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We are changing the world of genealogy!
When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence.
Thanks.

On 24/10/2011 6:42 AM, Ray Mechler wrote:
 Brian-
 Yes, I did go into Option  Customize  View and selected and saved Only 
 tagged Preferred as suggested by Sherry.  It did not work for me.  Not sure 
 why.

 By the way, I am using the most current Version: 7.5.0.112.  I suppose that I 
 could do as was suggested earlier in this thread and remove these images from 
 the individual's Picture Gallery and then reselect them as Files.  Seems to 
 be a bit of a bother right now, especially since I have quite a few 
 individuals with this problem.  Not a big deal but sort of low on the 
 priority list right now.

 Ray


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RE: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

2011-10-24 Thread Bernhard Scholz
Tony,

I don't care how old you are or where you live but about what you to think about
changes.

But nobody is too old to learn somthing new.

In some ways you're right.

Back in prior 1999 with version 3.x it was much easier to use Legacy.
Legacy had fewer options.

Legacy as we all has grown up and thus having new features.

Not staying uptodate has brought many problems for those not using every new
versions in the past.

You shouldn't get back to your old idea and enter all data in the locations.
That's the wrong way.

Perhaps I can help you directly and not on the list but per email with the email
address scholz-c...@gmx.de


Bernhard




-Original Message-
From: Tony Rolfe [mailto:geneal...@gillandtony.com]
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 2:58 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

The more I think back about this issue, the more I think it was with a much
earlier version of Legacy (Legacy 4?) and long before the mapping feature was
invented.  I've done a few experiments with using street addresses in locations
and can't find anything which would cause any angst.  Maybe the problem I had
was fixed in an upgrade or new version.

I suspect it might have been with the GEO database which is pretty well
redundant when using the mapping feature to get Lat and Long.

Anyway, I think I'll be going back to the old idea of putting everything into
locations.  But not all at once.

Thanks to everyone for the help and advice.

Cheers

Tony


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RE: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

2011-10-24 Thread Ron Bernier
Bernhard,

I'm not sure why you insist that everyone has to enter location data based on 
the way that you have determined is the correct way.  The beauty of Legacy is 
that each person has the ability to use the program, and enter data the way the 
individual has chosen to enter the data.  Your insistence that if folks don't 
enter data the way you say it should be entered they are doing it wrong is 
totally insulting.  You even went so far to tell Mary that she didn't know what 
she was talking about.  You need to continue entering data the way you have 
chosen to do it, and stop brow beating those who choose not to use your method.

Ron Bernier
Woonsocket, RI


From: Bernhard Scholz [scholz-c...@gmx.de]
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 10:29 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

Tony,

I don't care how old you are or where you live but about what you to think about
changes.

But nobody is too old to learn somthing new.

In some ways you're right.

Back in prior 1999 with version 3.x it was much easier to use Legacy.
Legacy had fewer options.

Legacy as we all has grown up and thus having new features.

Not staying uptodate has brought many problems for those not using every new
versions in the past.

You shouldn't get back to your old idea and enter all data in the locations.
That's the wrong way.

Perhaps I can help you directly and not on the list but per email with the email
address scholz-c...@gmx.de


Bernhard




-Original Message-
From: Tony Rolfe [mailto:geneal...@gillandtony.com]
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 2:58 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

The more I think back about this issue, the more I think it was with a much
earlier version of Legacy (Legacy 4?) and long before the mapping feature was
invented.  I've done a few experiments with using street addresses in locations
and can't find anything which would cause any angst.  Maybe the problem I had
was fixed in an upgrade or new version.

I suspect it might have been with the GEO database which is pretty well
redundant when using the mapping feature to get Lat and Long.

Anyway, I think I'll be going back to the old idea of putting everything into
locations.  But not all at once.

Thanks to everyone for the help and advice.

Cheers

Tony


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Re: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

2011-10-24 Thread M. Brenzel
Bernhard,

Please don't tell someone that the way they are doing something is the wrong 
way just because it's not the way you have chosen to do it.

There is nothing wrong with putting all of the data for a location in the 
Location field!  It only is an issue if you use the Geo database.

Mary

Sent from my iPad

On Oct 24, 2011, at 10:29 AM, Bernhard Scholz scholz-c...@gmx.de wrote:

 Tony,

 I don't care how old you are or where you live but about what you to think 
 about
 changes.

 But nobody is too old to learn somthing new.

 In some ways you're right.

 Back in prior 1999 with version 3.x it was much easier to use Legacy.
 Legacy had fewer options.

 Legacy as we all has grown up and thus having new features.

 Not staying uptodate has brought many problems for those not using every new
 versions in the past.

 You shouldn't get back to your old idea and enter all data in the locations.
 That's the wrong way.

 Perhaps I can help you directly and not on the list but per email with the 
 email
 address scholz-c...@gmx.de


 Bernhard




 -Original Message-
 From: Tony Rolfe [mailto:geneal...@gillandtony.com]
 Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 2:58 AM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

 The more I think back about this issue, the more I think it was with a much
 earlier version of Legacy (Legacy 4?) and long before the mapping feature was
 invented.  I've done a few experiments with using street addresses in 
 locations
 and can't find anything which would cause any angst.  Maybe the problem I had
 was fixed in an upgrade or new version.

 I suspect it might have been with the GEO database which is pretty well
 redundant when using the mapping feature to get Lat and Long.

 Anyway, I think I'll be going back to the old idea of putting everything into
 locations.  But not all at once.

 Thanks to everyone for the help and advice.

 Cheers

 Tony


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RE: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

2011-10-24 Thread Bernhard Scholz
Bgj,

WOW!!

You're saying this topic has been beat to death and at the same time qoute.

1   it's my opinion that a single field in a database that uses a
csv format within the field is poor design

About which fields in the database are takling about Show and
example and show it.

2.  at the moment I'll not comment due to missing answer to #1

3.  I've the feeling that you're mistaking the postal and
gegraphical loctations.

Where I live with area with only about 90 km² we have over 2000
towns and only one general postal office.
In this area the 4 field format is working perfectliy even for
about 300 years.

At the moment I don't see your problem. Perhaps you have better
examples.



looking at what you have is:

The Georgetown post office services people who live in
Bradley, Hamilton and Meigs County.

just looking at what you sent was very interesting!!

Use my comments and look again what you have.

Bernhard












-Original Message-
From: BG Johnson [mailto:b...@brmemc.net]
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 1:53 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

This location thing has been beat to death, not only in the last couple of days,
but in previous spurts of similar threads.  So, let me add my thoughts.

1.  It is my opinion that a single field in a database that uses a csv
format within the field is poor design.  It would make more sense to me to use 6
fields(or whatever number makes people happy) and designate 4 of these fields to
contain the necessary information for geocoding.
2.  If #1 was adopted, people who are trying to force reports to read the
way they want it would have at least two fields to play with.
3.  If #1 was adopted there would be no need to attempt to mix mailing
addresses and geographic locations.  Mailing addresses can be very confusing
when you attempt to locate it on a map.  Here is an example.  Georgetown,
Tennessee is located in Bradley County, Tennessee.  The Georgetown post office
services people who live in Bradley, Hamilton and Meigs Counties.  People who
live in Brittsville, Meigs County, Tennessee get their mail at a Georgetown
address.  People that for years received their mail from the Charleston,
Tennessee are now using the Georgetown post office. And the beat goes on.

Perhaps we should attempt to use the software as designed and ask for
enhancements in reports etc. to give us the output we desire.

bgj

-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 5:26 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.


On this list I have recommended this site
http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~jimella/counties.htm many times for English
locations. As well as describing, as best as one can, a format for them, it also
gives a brief historic background as to how the have evolved over some
2000 years of our history.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

-Original Message-
From: Joan
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 9:37 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

My Scottish address has 6 fields and this what I allow for Legacy addresses.
The base problem is that US addressesi are standardised in a way not used in
other countries.

Uk addresses.can vary from 3 - 6 lines, they are not consistent. My current
address has 'house name', 'hamlet', 'post-town', ' county', 'postcode',
'country'. The commonest UK address form is probably 'house number + street
name', 'town', 'county', 'postcode',  'country'.

Joan




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[LegacyUG] Webinar this Wednesday

2011-10-24 Thread Geoff Rasmussen
Don't forget to register for this week's Legacy Family Tree webinar: Let
Your Voice Be Heard in the Digital Conversation by Drusilla Pair. I've had
a preview of her presentation and it looks very good. Visit
www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/webinars.asp to register (free).

Thanks,

Geoff Rasmussen
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RE: [LegacyUG] [Partly OT] What does this relationship mean?

2011-10-24 Thread Bernhard Scholz
Sherry,

You're right we should keep it low.

But as you know me, I have my problems staying low ;-).

As far as I remember from this list it could mean the daughter is adopted or the
daughter of the married wife.

Bernhard








From: Sherry/Support [mailto:she...@legacyfamilytree.com]
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 7:35 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] [Partly OT] What does this relationship mean?


Could be 17 and not 7.

But please let's keep the discussion to how would you enter this discrepancy in
Legacy.


Thanks!


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree



On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Sally M macia...@gmail.com wrote:


Interesting to see what possibilities list members come up with.  I
would suspect error on part of census taker--misunderstood the age, miswrote
it--or the entry was misread in the transcription to digital version.

On Sep 25, 2011 11:27 PM, Tony Rolfe geneal...@gillandtony.com
wrote:
 A two-part question, if I may.

 I have discovered a ancestors in the 1861 UK Census. A working-class
 family in Newcastle. Head, wife, daughter-in-law and grandson. All
 fairly normal, except that the daughter-in-law is 7 years old,
unmarried
 and has a completely different surname from the other three.

 Question 1. How can this be?
 Question 2. How do I record it in Legacy?

 Any help would be appreciated

 Tyhanks

 Tony




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Re: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

2011-10-24 Thread Ron Ferguson
Bernhard,

Hopefully, perhaps more so, it may also be of better use to those who do not
have British roots.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

-Original Message-
From: Bernhard Scholz
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 2:43 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

Ron,

thanks for the link ,but it's not up todate.

The present link is:
http://www.jimella.me.uk/counties.cfm

Could be a great help for people with British roots.

Bernahrd

-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 11:26 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.


On this list I have recommended this site
http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~jimella/counties.htm many times for English
locations. As well as describing, as best as one can, a format for them, it
also
gives a brief historic background as to how the have evolved over some 2000
years of our history.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

-Original Message-
From: Joan
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 9:37 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

My Scottish address has 6 fields and this what I allow for Legacy addresses.
The base problem is that US addressesi are standardised in a way not used in
other countries.

Uk addresses.can vary from 3 - 6 lines, they are not consistent. My current
address has 'house name', 'hamlet', 'post-town', ' county', 'postcode',
'country'. The commonest UK address form is probably 'house number + street
name', 'town', 'county', 'postcode',  'country'.

Joan





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Re: [LegacyUG] Using Legacy

2011-10-24 Thread Sherry/Support
Please no pictures or attachments to the LUG list and especially not animations.

HTML is ok, but not with graphics.

We have a lot of listers still on dial-up or who have metered service,
which means they either pay by the amount of data they download or are
limited in how much they can download. Graphics only add to that load,
so please be considerate of others when on mailing lists and reserve
the cute stuff for personal emails.



I'm glad you're finding Legacy easy to use! Plus there are so many
resources for help to learn new features or if you have problems with
the database (check out the items in the Support section of the Legacy
Home tab)


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 9:47 AM, pjvillanu...@cox.net
pjvillanu...@cox.net wrote:

 Someone mentioned today about how Legacy wasnt as simple as it used to be. 
 And all I can say is Hallaleuh. One of the reason I use Legacy and have for 
 over 5 years now is because of its ease of use. When I got my first computer 
 about 1992, I think it was, I started with Brothers Keeper. It was ok but 
 didnt do what I wanted it to do. So I played with PAF (I think that is the 
 name). Then tried Master Genealogist for several years.  The features I 
 bought that for were not simple to use at all. Then I discovered Legacy. And 
 I hope to keep growing with its new features. Almost every week I find a 
 feature I didnt know about or understand. This group has helped tremendously 
 there. I am going on 73 years old and have been doing family history since 
 1972. My memory and learning ability are not what they used to be. But I am 
 so glad I found Legacy. Thank you everyone.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Search Cemetery Name

2011-10-24 Thread BF
Thanks, when I clicked on Toledo with Hillside Cem - there was only one!  So I 
chgd it manually. Good lesson for future tho.
 
Betty
FL


Betty,
 
Sounds like you have them in the Locations, as Mike suggested, you will find 
the Master List at ViewMaster ListsLocations. Find the one which contains 
“Topeka”and highlight it, click the ‘Combine With’ button, then find the record 
with “Toldeo” in it, again highlight the record and click ‘Combine With’. All 
changed Job done'. However if you have Topeka correctly in some locations, you 
will have to change each record individually. Using Search SearchReplace and 
opting to confirm each one is probably the best way of doing this.
 
Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/
 
 
From: BF
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 1:59 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Search Cemetery Name
Thanks Ron  Mike.  Master Loc List is probably something I don't know about.  
I just have them listed on the individual page - 'died 3 Mar 1872, then under 
buried - Hillside Cemetery, Toldeo, Chase, KS'.
Betty
FL

From: Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Search Cemetery Name


Betty,
 
It would help if we knew where in Legacy you have entered it!
 
Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/
 
 
From: BF
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 1:09 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Search Cemetery Name
Is there a way to search for a cemetery name?  I changed a few 'Hillside 
Cemetery, Toledo, KS' to Topeka!  It really is Toledo... Just wondered how many 
I entered incorrectly.

Betty
FL

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Re: [LegacyUG] Search Cemetery Name

2011-10-24 Thread BF


Sorry, I meant only one for the 'wrong one - Topeka' - knew as soon as I hit 
send.  Where's the 'wait a minute' button!
Betty
FL
 
Thanks, when I clicked on Toledo with Hillside Cem - there was only one!  So I 
chgd it manually. Good lesson for future tho.
 
Betty
FL


Betty,
 
Sounds like you have them in the Locations, as Mike suggested, you will find 
the Master List at ViewMaster ListsLocations. Find the one which contains 
“Topeka”and highlight it, click the ‘Combine With’ button, then find the record 
with “Toldeo” in it, again highlight the record and click ‘Combine With’. All 
changed Job done'. However if you have Topeka correctly in some locations, you 
will have to change each record individually. Using Search SearchReplace and 
opting to confirm each one is probably the best way of doing this.
 
Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/
 
 
From: BF
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 1:59 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Search Cemetery Name
Thanks Ron  Mike.  Master Loc List is probably something I don't know about.  
I just have them listed on the individual page - 'died 3 Mar 1872, then under 
buried - Hillside Cemetery, Toldeo, Chase, KS'.
Betty
FL

From: Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Search Cemetery Name


Betty,
 
It would help if we knew where in Legacy you have entered it!
 
Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/
 
 
From: BF
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 1:09 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Search Cemetery Name
Is there a way to search for a cemetery name?  I changed a few 'Hillside 
Cemetery, Toledo, KS' to Topeka!  It really is Toledo... Just wondered how many 
I entered incorrectly.

Betty
FL

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[LegacyUG] Not Responding and Backups

2011-10-24 Thread BF
1. The electricity went off yesterday while I was working.  I opened Legacy 
again and didn't notice any oddities. Most of today I’ve been comparing 20 pgs 
of names submitted to me.  At one point it hung on marriages – after clicking 
on the marriage icon I got a blank marriage screen and couldn’t get out a 
conventional way, so I used task manager to stop the program, which it said was 
Not Responding.   When I opened it again I had the same man and woman listed as 
second marriages for each – just same names listed twice, and another person as 
wife of my ‘main’ subject; I was able to unlink him.  The 2 marriages weren’t 
in the index as 2 people.  Deleted and reentered.
 
2. I’ve had ‘Legacy Not Responding’ – just a couple of times since I’ve had 
it. Do I do something to cause that? Like start typing or enter before it has 
digested the last move??
 
3. With all of that as a preface, I just found 2nd marriage info in my 
comparison that I thought I had entered months ago and the ‘wife’ is only 
connected to her parents now and they have no ancestors, I would not 
have entered them 'loose' – is it possible to ‘look at’ or ‘Compare’ a backup, 
or open it under another name?  I suppose if I Restore it will overwrite my 
current files and delete anything I did the past 2-3 days, which may not have 
been a lot I spent a lot of time on findagrave and ancestry; but I don't know 
what would be lost.  I wasn’t sure I should backup after the electricity 
stopped in case entries were damaged.  If I could just look at an older one 
maybe there were children, siblings, and more links connected with that 
marriage??  (If so, where do I even find physical backups {not under File}? I 
use the default with current date.)
 
Betty
FL

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Re: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

2011-10-24 Thread Ch
On 10/24/2011 7:06 AM, Mike Fry wrote:
 On 2011/10/24 14:03, Bernhard Scholz wrote:

 If not, please don't use terms you can't describe but only heard about.
 It also helps us when you

 a) Use the titles that Legacy uses for each Window
 b) real field labels

On the point of describing Legacy screens.  It would really be helpful
if the Legacy had screen numbers on all its screens. It would be so much
easier than trying to figure out screen names and easier faster to type etc.
ChasH


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Re: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

2011-10-24 Thread Ron Ferguson
I doubt it, for screens I much prefer text names – and I do have quite a good 
memory for numbers – terrible on names though! A point of potential confusion 
is that many already have the RIN at the top (and I refer to this often).

Ron Ferguson
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From: Ch
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 8:14 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Cc: Mike Fry
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

On 10/24/2011 7:06 AM, Mike Fry wrote:
On 2011/10/24 14:03, Bernhard Scholz wrote:

If not, please don't use terms you can't describe but only heard about.
It also helps us when you

a) Use the titles that Legacy uses for each Window
b) real field labels

On the point of describing Legacy screens.  It would really be helpful if the 
Legacy had screen numbers on all its screens. It would be so much easier than 
trying to figure out screen names and easier faster to type etc.
ChasH

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Re: [LegacyUG] Not Responding and Backups

2011-10-24 Thread Ron Ferguson
Betty,

Firstly I would try FileFile MaintenanceCheck Repair – might do it but might 
not.

Your problems could well be created by the electricity failure. I hope that you 
had a back up, and if so I suggest that you use FileRestore to run it, but 
when asked to save use a new file name. Check that to see if it is as it should 
be. You will then have to repeat the work since the last back-up.

If not I would reinstall Legacy, and repeat.

Ron Ferguson


From: BF
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 8:07 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Not Responding and Backups

1. The electricity went off yesterday while I was working.  I opened Legacy 
again and didn't notice any oddities. Most of today I’ve been comparing 20 pgs 
of names submitted to me.  At one point it hung on marriages – after clicking 
on the marriage icon I got a blank marriage screen and couldn’t get out a 
conventional way, so I used task manager to stop the program, which it said was 
Not Responding.   When I opened it again I had the same man and woman listed as 
second marriages for each – just same names listed twice, and another person as 
wife of my ‘main’ subject; I was able to unlink him.  The 2 marriages weren’t 
in the index as 2 people.  Deleted and reentered.

2. I’ve had ‘Legacy Not Responding’ – just a couple of times since I’ve had 
it. Do I do something to cause that? Like start typing or enter before it has 
digested the last move??

3. With all of that as a preface, I just found 2nd marriage info in my 
comparison that I thought I had entered months ago and the ‘wife’ is only 
connected to her parents now and they have no ancestors, I would not have 
entered them 'loose' – is it possible to ‘look at’ or ‘Compare’ a backup, or 
open it under another name?  I suppose if I Restore it will overwrite my 
current files and delete anything I did the past 2-3 days, which may not have 
been a lot I spent a lot of time on findagrave and ancestry; but I don't know 
what would be lost.  I wasn’t sure I should backup after the electricity 
stopped in case entries were damaged.  If I could just look at an older one 
maybe there were children, siblings, and more links connected with that 
marriage??  (If so, where do I even find physical backups {not under File}? I 
use the default with current date.)

Betty
FL
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Re: [LegacyUG] Not Responding and Backups

2011-10-24 Thread Ron Ferguson
Betty,

I should have advised uninstalling before reinstalling, if it will let you – if 
it won’t then just install, may work!

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/


From: Ron Ferguson
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 9:00 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Not Responding and Backups

Betty,

Firstly I would try FileFile MaintenanceCheck Repair – might do it but might 
not.

Your problems could well be created by the electricity failure. I hope that you 
had a back up, and if so I suggest that you use FileRestore to run it, but 
when asked to save use a new file name. Check that to see if it is as it should 
be. You will then have to repeat the work since the last back-up.

If not I would reinstall Legacy, and repeat.

Ron Ferguson


From: BF
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 8:07 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Not Responding and Backups

1. The electricity went off yesterday while I was working.  I opened Legacy 
again and didn't notice any oddities. Most of today I’ve been comparing 20 pgs 
of names submitted to me.  At one point it hung on marriages – after clicking 
on the marriage icon I got a blank marriage screen and couldn’t get out a 
conventional way, so I used task manager to stop the program, which it said was 
Not Responding.   When I opened it again I had the same man and woman listed as 
second marriages for each – just same names listed twice, and another person as 
wife of my ‘main’ subject; I was able to unlink him.  The 2 marriages weren’t 
in the index as 2 people.  Deleted and reentered.

2. I’ve had ‘Legacy Not Responding’ – just a couple of times since I’ve had 
it. Do I do something to cause that? Like start typing or enter before it has 
digested the last move??

3. With all of that as a preface, I just found 2nd marriage info in my 
comparison that I thought I had entered months ago and the ‘wife’ is only 
connected to her parents now and they have no ancestors, I would not have 
entered them 'loose' – is it possible to ‘look at’ or ‘Compare’ a backup, or 
open it under another name?  I suppose if I Restore it will overwrite my 
current files and delete anything I did the past 2-3 days, which may not have 
been a lot I spent a lot of time on findagrave and ancestry; but I don't know 
what would be lost.  I wasn’t sure I should backup after the electricity 
stopped in case entries were damaged.  If I could just look at an older one 
maybe there were children, siblings, and more links connected with that 
marriage??  (If so, where do I even find physical backups {not under File}? I 
use the default with current date.)

Betty
FL

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Re: [LegacyUG] Not Responding and Backups

2011-10-24 Thread BF
Ron, will you lead me by the hand?  With Check Repair, I get:Error rebuilding 
Deleted Marriage List.  Error 30-22:  The changes you requested to the table 
were not successful because they would create duplicate values in the index, 
primary key, or relationship.  Change the data in the field or fields that 
contain duplicate data, remove the index, or redefine the index to permit 
duplicate entries and try again.  Would you like to TRY IT AGAIN?  Y  N Quit
 
Betty
FL
 

From: Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Not Responding and Backups


Betty,
 
I should have advised uninstalling before reinstalling, if it will let you – if 
it won’t then just install, may work!
 
Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/
 
 
From: Ron Ferguson
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 9:00 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Not Responding and Backups
Betty,
 
Firstly I would try FileFile MaintenanceCheck Repair – might do it but might 
not.
 
Your problems could well be created by the electricity failure. I hope that you 
had a back up, and if so I suggest that you use FileRestore to run it, but 
when asked to save use a new file name. Check that to see if it is as it should 
be. You will then have to repeat the work since the last back-up.
 
If not I would reinstall Legacy, and repeat.
 
Ron Ferguson
 
 
From: BF
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 8:07 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Not Responding and Backups
1. The electricity went off yesterday while I was working.  I opened Legacy 
again and didn't notice any oddities. Most of today I’ve been comparing 20 pgs 
of names submitted to me.  At one point it hung on marriages – after clicking 
on the marriage icon I got a blank marriage screen and couldn’t get out a 
conventional way, so I used task manager to stop the program, which it said was 
Not Responding.   When I opened it again I had the same man and woman listed as 
second marriages for each – just same names listed twice, and another person as 
wife of my ‘main’ subject; I was able to unlink him.  The 2 marriages weren’t 
in the index as 2 people.  Deleted and reentered.
 
2. I’ve had ‘Legacy Not Responding’ – just a couple of times since I’ve had 
it. Do I do something to cause that? Like start typing or enter before it has 
digested the last move??
 
3. With all of that as a preface, I just found 2nd marriage info in my 
comparison that I thought I had entered months ago and the ‘wife’ is only 
connected to her parents now and they have no ancestors, I would not have 
entered them 'loose' – is it possible to ‘look at’ or ‘Compare’ a backup, or 
open it under another name?  I suppose if I Restore it will overwrite my 
current files and delete anything I did the past 2-3 days, which may not have 
been a lot I spent a lot of time on findagrave and ancestry; but I don't know 
what would be lost.  I wasn’t sure I should backup after the electricity 
stopped in case entries were damaged.  If I could just look at an older one 
maybe there were children, siblings, and more links connected with that 
marriage??  (If so, where do I even find physical backups {not under File}? I 
use the default with current date.)
 
Betty
FL

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Re: [LegacyUG] some of my notes have disappeared

2011-10-24 Thread Dennis M . Kowallek
On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 10:30:23 +1100, Erica Portelli
tan...@optusnet.com.au wrote:

By coincidence when the first incident happened a week ago I had just
started to use Dropbox as a backup after hearing so many good reports.  I'm
wondering if this is somehow connected as I've never had this problem
before.

Exactly HOW are you using DropBox as a backup? After closing Legacy, are
you copying the .fdb file to your DropBox folder? That is how I would do
it.

When I look at the general info box, it tells me my family file path is:
C:\Users\Tom  Erica\AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\Temporary Internet
Files\Content.IE5\ATZK0IED\ALL-family-current-OCT[1].fdb

This does not look good.

***

I think you are causing your own problems, but without more details I
cannot say for sure.

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Re: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

2011-10-24 Thread Sherry/Support
There is a title for every window in Legacy in the top border of that window.

Also, when you have a problem, it helps to document *how* you arrived
at the screen you're seeing a problem with.


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree



On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Ch howell...@gmail.com wrote:

 On the point of describing Legacy screens.  It would really be helpful if
 the Legacy had screen numbers on all its screens. It would be so much easier
 than trying to figure out screen names and easier faster to type etc.
 ChasH


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RE: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

2011-10-24 Thread BG Johnson
Dennis,

I agree that my statement may have been a little strong, however, I believe 
that this is a case where separate fields would have been better.  There are 
times in genealogy research when jurisdictions are important and need to be 
broken down.  For example,  I have been asking for the ability to substitute 
location information into customized internet searches.  In order to get a 
county, city or state name from the current design will be harder than if they 
each had their own field.

bgj

-Original Message-
From: Dennis M. Kowallek [mailto:kowal...@iglou.com]
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 4:26 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 19:52:48 -0400, BG Johnson b...@brmemc.net wrote:

1. It is my opinion that a single field in a database that uses a csv 
format within the field is poor design.

Being a retired IT professional, I would not make a blanket statement like 
that. It all depends on HOW the data is used.

I would agree that it raises red flags and might warrant further examination, 
but I wouldn't rule it out as a possible solution for a specific problem.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Not Responding and Backups

2011-10-24 Thread Ron Ferguson
Betty,

There is no harm in asking it to try and correct again, I usually repeat
until there are no error messages.

However, I have never had this message and it seems likely that the power
failure has damaged your database, in which case you may have to send it to
Legacy. Have you tried running your backup?

You may notice that I have changed you post to plain text because I would
like a second opinion from Dennis Kowallek, who will not have seen your post
because he does not accept posts in HTML (and rightly in my opinion!). He
may also be able to come up with an alternative scenario. So please adjust
your email client settings so that any reply is in plain text.

Hope you see this, Dennis, what do you think?

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

From: BF
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 9:14 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Not Responding and Backups

Ron, will you lead me by the hand?  With Check Repair, I get:

Error rebuilding Deleted Marriage List.  Error 30-22:  The changes you
requested to the table were not successful because they would create
duplicate values in the index, primary key, or relationship.  Change the
data in the field or fields that contain duplicate data, remove the index,
or redefine the index to permit duplicate entries and try again.  Would you
like to TRY IT AGAIN?  Y  N Quit

Betty
FL





From: Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Not Responding and Backups


Betty,

I should have advised uninstalling before reinstalling, if it will let you –
if it won’t then just install, may work!

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/


From: Ron Ferguson
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 9:00 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Not Responding and Backups

Betty,

Firstly I would try FileFile MaintenanceCheck Repair – might do it but
might not.

Your problems could well be created by the electricity failure. I hope that
you had a back up, and if so I suggest that you use FileRestore to run it,
but when asked to save use a new file name. Check that to see if it is as it
should be. You will then have to repeat the work since the last back-up.

If not I would reinstall Legacy, and repeat.

Ron Ferguson


From: BF
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 8:07 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Not Responding and Backups

1. The electricity went off yesterday while I was working.  I opened
Legacy again and didn't notice any oddities. Most of today I’ve been
comparing 20 pgs of names submitted to me.  At one point it hung on
marriages – after clicking on the marriage icon I got a blank marriage
screen and couldn’t get out a conventional way, so I used task manager to
stop the program, which it said was Not Responding.   When I opened it again
I had the same man and woman listed as second marriages for each – just same
names listed twice, and another person as wife of my ‘main’ subject; I was
able to unlink him.  The 2 marriages weren’t in the index as 2 people.
Deleted and reentered.

2. I’ve had ‘Legacy Not Responding’ – just a couple of times since 
I’ve
had it. Do I do something to cause that? Like start typing or enter before
it has digested the last move??

3. With all of that as a preface, I just found 2nd marriage info in my
comparison that I thought I had entered months ago and the ‘wife’ is only
connected to her parents now and they have no ancestors, I would not have
entered them 'loose' – is it possible to ‘look at’ or ‘Compare’ a 
backup, or
open it under another name?  I suppose if I Restore it will overwrite my
current files and delete anything I did the past 2-3 days, which may not
have been a lot I spent a lot of time on findagrave and ancestry; but I
don't know what would be lost.  I wasn’t sure I should backup after the
electricity stopped in case entries were damaged.  If I could just look at
an older one maybe there were children, siblings, and more links connected
with that marriage??  (If so, where do I even find physical backups {not
under File}? I use the default with current date.)

Betty
FL





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RE: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

2011-10-24 Thread M. Brenzel
I agree, Dennis.  And in this case, that single field contains a string that 
describes the locations where every aspect of our ancestors' and descendants' 
lives took place and continue to take place.

Mary

-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 4:26 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 19:52:48 -0400, BG Johnson b...@brmemc.net wrote:

1. It is my opinion that a single field in a database that uses a csv 
format within the field is poor design.

Being a retired IT professional, I would not make a blanket statement
like that. It all depends on HOW the data is used.

I would agree that it raises red flags and might warrant further
examination, but I wouldn't rule it out as a possible solution for a
specific problem.

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Re: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

2011-10-24 Thread Dennis M . Kowallek
On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 18:17:29 -0400, BG Johnson b...@brmemc.net wrote:

I believe that this is a case where separate fields would have been better.

I cannot say without more study. But given that the location fields
probably came long before some of the other features that use them now
(geolocs, mapping, isearch), I would give the Legacy authors the benefit
of the doubt. Hindsight is always 20-20.

The question then becomes...

Is there a benefit to going back and implementing some sort of
PLACE-PART (see GENTECH Genealogical Data Model) structure IF the worst
case scenario requires each user to manually deconstruct the location
names? (Can't assume that a mechanized conversion is possible.)

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Re: [LegacyUG] Not Responding and Backups

2011-10-24 Thread BF
Will try repair first - wasn't sure what to do after I got that msg. Then will 
try B U.  Thx.
 
Betty
FL



Betty,

There is no harm in asking it to try and correct again, I usually repeat
until there are no error messages.

However, I have never had this message and it seems likely that the power
failure has damaged your database, in which case you may have to send it to
Legacy. Have you tried running your backup?

You may notice that I have changed you post to plain text because I would
like a second opinion from Dennis Kowallek, who will not have seen your post
because he does not accept posts in HTML (and rightly in my opinion!). He
may also be able to come up with an alternative scenario. So please adjust
your email client settings so that any reply is in plain text.

Hope you see this, Dennis, what do you think?

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

From: BF
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 9:14 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Not Responding and Backups

Ron, will you lead me by the hand?  With Check Repair, I get:

Error rebuilding Deleted Marriage List.  Error 30-22:  The changes you
requested to the table were not successful because they would create
duplicate values in the index, primary key, or relationship.  Change the
data in the field or fields that contain duplicate data, remove the index,
or redefine the index to permit duplicate entries and try again.  Would you
like to TRY IT AGAIN?  Y  N Quit

Betty
FL





From: Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Not Responding and Backups


Betty,

I should have advised uninstalling before reinstalling, if it will let you –
if it won’t then just install, may work!

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/


From: Ron Ferguson
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 9:00 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Not Responding and Backups

Betty,

Firstly I would try FileFile MaintenanceCheck Repair – might do it but
might not.

Your problems could well be created by the electricity failure. I hope that
you had a back up, and if so I suggest that you use FileRestore to run it,
but when asked to save use a new file name. Check that to see if it is as it
should be. You will then have to repeat the work since the last back-up.

If not I would reinstall Legacy, and repeat.

Ron Ferguson


From: BF
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 8:07 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Not Responding and Backups

1.    The electricity went off yesterday while I was working.  I opened
Legacy again and didn't notice any oddities. Most of today I’ve been
comparing 20 pgs of names submitted to me.  At one point it hung on
marriages – after clicking on the marriage icon I got a blank marriage
screen and couldn’t get out a conventional way, so I used task manager to
stop the program, which it said was Not Responding.  When I opened it again
I had the same man and woman listed as second marriages for each – just same
names listed twice, and another person as wife of my ‘main’ subject; I was
able to unlink him.  The 2 marriages weren’t in the index as 2 people.
Deleted and reentered.

2.    I’ve had ‘Legacy Not Responding’ – just a couple of times since 
I’ve
had it. Do I do something to cause that? Like start typing or enter before
it has digested the last move??

3.    With all of that as a preface, I just found 2nd marriage info in my
comparison that I thought I had entered months ago and the ‘wife’ is only
connected to her parents now and they have no ancestors, I would not have
entered them 'loose' – is it possible to ‘look at’ or ‘Compare’ a 
backup, or
open it under another name?  I suppose if I Restore it will overwrite my
current files and delete anything I did the past 2-3 days, which may not
have been a lot I spent a lot of time on findagrave and ancestry; but I
don't know what would be lost.  I wasn’t sure I should backup after the
electricity stopped in case entries were damaged.  If I could just look at
an older one maybe there were children, siblings, and more links connected
with that marriage??  (If so, where do I even find physical backups {not
under File}? I use the default with current date.)

Betty
FL





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Re: [LegacyUG] Not Responding and Backups

2011-10-24 Thread Dennis M . Kowallek
On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 23:33:25 +0100, Ron Ferguson
ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote:

Hope you see this, Dennis, what do you think?

Hi Ron,

Thanks for reposting in plain text.

Speaking to Betty's very last problem...

AFAIK, tblXI (deleted individuals) and tblXM (deleted marriages) get
populated when the user chooses to Reuse abandoned RINs on the Options
 Customize  Data Defaults screen (in V6). If either of these tables
gets corrupted, you can try unchecking the Reuse abandoned RINs (close
and restart Legacy for good measure). Then go back and check Reuse
abandoned RINs. This should cause Legacy to rebuild those tables.

If that doesn't work, then I would contact support and get one-on-one
help.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Not Responding and Backups

2011-10-24 Thread Ron Ferguson
Thanks, Dennis sounds like it's worth having a go at.

Are you OK with doing that Betty? If not please come back for an explanation
of how to do it.

And please set your Yahoo email client to Plain Text, so that the three of
us are kept in the loop.

Ron Ferguson
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-Original Message-
From: Dennis M. Kowallek
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 12:05 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Not Responding and Backups

On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 23:33:25 +0100, Ron Ferguson
ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote:

Hope you see this, Dennis, what do you think?

Hi Ron,

Thanks for reposting in plain text.

Speaking to Betty's very last problem...

AFAIK, tblXI (deleted individuals) and tblXM (deleted marriages) get
populated when the user chooses to Reuse abandoned RINs on the Options
 Customize  Data Defaults screen (in V6). If either of these tables
gets corrupted, you can try unchecking the Reuse abandoned RINs (close
and restart Legacy for good measure). Then go back and check Reuse
abandoned RINs. This should cause Legacy to rebuild those tables.

If that doesn't work, then I would contact support and get one-on-one
help.

--

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RE: [LegacyUG] How to record this location.

2011-10-24 Thread BG Johnson


-Original Message-
From: Dennis M. Kowallek [mailto:kowal...@iglou.com]

(Can't assume that a mechanized conversion is possible.)

--
I totally agree.  If one did not use the four place convention as intended, it 
would NOT be possible to mechanize the conversion.

bgj




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Re: [LegacyUG] Not Responding and Backups

2011-10-24 Thread BF
I wonder what the plain text comments are all about?? What are you getting? 
This is Arial 14, is that it? I noticed that it came through in replies 
larger.  Seems like other sites I send to return it smaller when replying.   
Tired tonight, will start again tomorrow. (Not my very last problem Dennis, 
just my most current..  :-) )  I kept running the Repair file, will see if I 
can determine what that did.
 
Betty
FL
 
Betty
FL
 
Thanks, Dennis sounds like it's worth having a go at.

Are you OK with doing that Betty? If not please come back for an explanation
of how to do it.

And please set your Yahoo email client to Plain Text, so that the three of
us are kept in the loop.

Ron Ferguson
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-Original Message-
From: Dennis M. Kowallek
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 12:05 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Not Responding and Backups

On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 23:33:25 +0100, Ron Ferguson
ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote:

Hope you see this, Dennis, what do you think?

Hi Ron,

Thanks for reposting in plain text.

Speaking to Betty's very last problem...

AFAIK, tblXI (deleted individuals) and tblXM (deleted marriages) get
populated when the user chooses to Reuse abandoned RINs on the Options
 Customize  Data Defaults screen (in V6). If either of these tables
gets corrupted, you can try unchecking the Reuse abandoned RINs (close
and restart Legacy for good measure). Then go back and check Reuse
abandoned RINs. This should cause Legacy to rebuild those tables.

If that doesn't work, then I would contact support and get one-on-one
help.

--

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[LegacyUG] Replace Names, Dates and Places in the Invivigual Edit Screen

2011-10-24 Thread Robert Sutton
Hi Group,

I've just recently installed Legacy 7.5.

My question is there a way to Replace Names, Dates and Places in the Individual 
Edit Screen.
 

Example:

Birth Place, Death Place or Burial Place:  Marietta, Ohio
 
Search and Change to Marietta, Washington County, Ohio
 

This would be in the Individual Edit Screen.
 

I would like to have the Program search the entire Data Base and replace 
Marietta, Ohio with Marietta, Washington County, Ohio.

In the Search and Replace feature there is no feature to do this.

Thanks in advance.

Bob
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Re: [LegacyUG] Replace Names, Dates and Places in the Invivigual Edit Screen

2011-10-24 Thread Robert E. Carneal
Sure. Go to the field containing what you want to change. You can
either erase all of it, and enter it anew, or, stick the cursor
between Mariette, Ohio and just enter Washington County, in between.

Or, are you saying that won't work for you?

Thank you.

Robert
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On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Robert Sutton rasutto...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hi Group,
 I've just recently installed Legacy 7.5.
 My question is there a way to Replace Names, Dates and Places in the 
 Individual Edit Screen.

 Example:
 Birth Place, Death Place or Burial Place:  Marietta, Ohio

 Search and Change to Marietta, Washington County, Ohio

 This would be in the Individual Edit Screen.

 I would like to have the Program search the entire Data Base and replace 
 Marietta, Ohio with Marietta, Washington County, Ohio.
 In the Search and Replace feature there is no feature to do this.
 Thanks in advance.
 Bob


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Re: [LegacyUG] Replace Names, Dates and Places in the Invivigual Edit Screen

2011-10-24 Thread Sherry/Support
Go to the Master Location List (View  Master Lists) and make the edit
in that list.

That will change all instances of that location and you won't have a
lot of bad locations in the list.


Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree


On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Robert Sutton rasutto...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hi Group,
 I've just recently installed Legacy 7.5.
 My question is there a way to Replace Names, Dates and Places in the 
 Individual Edit Screen.

 Example:
 Birth Place, Death Place or Burial Place:  Marietta, Ohio

 Search and Change to Marietta, Washington County, Ohio

 This would be in the Individual Edit Screen.

 I would like to have the Program search the entire Data Base and replace 
 Marietta, Ohio with Marietta, Washington County, Ohio.
 In the Search and Replace feature there is no feature to do this.
 Thanks in advance.
 Bob
 rasut...@yahoo.com


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[LegacyUG] Tree Finder

2011-10-24 Thread ceaster99
Hi listers,

Is this a bug?  My tree's highest number today is 20760.  I have set to
reuse abandoned RINS.  In another place I have 20694 individuals in my
tree and have not deleted or merged anyone in at least two days while I
have added at least 50 people. There are 19291 listed in Tree Finder. I
am aware of one tree that has not been included which has about 151
people which still makes only 19442. Nothing adds up. I am trying to
remove most of the unconnected lines. Any idea why these numbers don't
add up? Or how I can locate other unconnected trees not now showing up?

Charlotte


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