Re: [LegacyUG] Show me your printer

[Ron Ferguson]

Jim,

I am right in thinking that you are still using V5. If so do you really expect 
Legacy to amend such an outdated version?

This does not mean I agree with your comments, I don't.
Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/
GOONS #5307

J
"Karen and Jim"  wrote:

>Sherry,
>
>I'm assume that Legacy is using Windoz
>Print Preview for the report screen display.
>And I find no fault in that.  In fact it is a plus
>in that Legacy doesn't need to add
>it to its own large code baggage.
>
>I see I have Microsoft XPS Document Writer
>installed in Printers and Faxes.  Nothing else.
>That seems to satisfy Legacy's printer requirement.
>
>I've tried to duplicate this no-screen problem,
>but with no results.  I've rebooted Windoz,
>a warm boot.  No luck.  Maybe I need to
>shutdown completely.  I'll try that later.
>
>Again I say you have a bug.
>When several of us,
>who have a printer driver installed,
>report no screen/printer in Reports
>and we can only get Reports working again
>after rebooting Legacy  ===>>
>That is a BUG, not a feature.
>
>JimS
>
>
>On 09/10/2012 11:35 AM, Sherry/Support wrote:
>> Legacy requires that at least a printer driver be installed, even if
>> you don't connect to a printer, in order to know how to format the
>> reports. Just pick a standard inkjet printer driver.  If you have a
>> printer connected to another computer, use the printer driver option
>> for that printer.
>> It is not a bug - it's a requirement of Legacy.
>> It's very easy to set a default printer driver - your Windows Help
>> screen should give you instructions.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Sherry
>> Technical Support
>> Legacy Family Tree
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 7:43 AM, Karen and Jim > > wrote:
>>
>> Bottom Line: I have no printers.
>> Whether I have a printer installed or not
>> should not affect viewing reports on screen.
>> But since it does affect screen view, then
>> it is a Legacy bug.
>> JimS
>>
>>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] How to source change of gender

[Western Spirit Wood Creations]

Tony
I would suggest putting your findings in the Notes for the individual.
You may also put in an Alt Birth using the same birth information but adding
a note that the 1891 Census contains an error on gender and sourcing it with
the 1901 and 1911 Censuses.
If you also use new.FamilySearch verify that the information there is
correct or corrected.
Bev March


The 1891 census shows Bertie Knight as a 4-year-old daughter.  I added
her as such.  Then she appeared in 1901 as a 14-year-old son, working as
a hay binder.  In 1911, she is also a son and still working as a hay binder.

It seems reasonably obvious that he was mislabelled in 1891, so I
clicked the "M" button and tried to add the 1911 census as a source for
the sex change.  "The cursor is not in a field which accepts a specific
source".  There doesn't appear to be a way to source the gender
specifically?  Any advice on how to source this?

Cheers

Tony








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[LegacyUG] How to source change of gender

[Tony Rolfe]

The 1891 census shows Bertie Knight as a 4-year-old daughter.  I added
her as such.  Then she appeared in 1901 as a 14-year-old son, working as
a hay binder.  In 1911, she is also a son and still working as a hay binder.

It seems reasonably obvious that he was mislabelled in 1891, so I
clicked the "M" button and tried to add the 1911 census as a source for
the sex change.  "The cursor is not in a field which accepts a specific
source".  There doesn't appear to be a way to source the gender
specifically?  Any advice on how to source this?

Cheers

Tony



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RE: [LegacyUG] New files

[Jan Roberts]

Sorry to contradict you Lavern, but using the Event Clipboard DOES copy any 
sources attached to the Event.  Jenny meant that physically copying and pasting 
the details of an Event (using CTRL+C) does not copy the Source, but by using 
the Copy Event Source icon copies everything.





Cheers

Jan

From: Lavern Hall [mailto:lavernh...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2012 09:53
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] New files



Thanks.

The procedure JL outlined is correct for copying the event;

however, as Jenny confirmed, the source does not copy.

I suspect the easiest (and quickest) option is to just

re-create the source for this child, but I'm happy to read
up on Events and the Source Clipboard again... always learning!



Thanks again,

Lavern Hall :-)



On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Jenny M Benson  wrote:

On 11/09/2012 20:48, Lavern Hall wrote:
> Sorry, I've tried, but I don't know how to accomplish this. I don't have a
> problem highlighting the text, then doing a copy/paste,
> but I don't know how do I get the source to copy?  Thanks...

You don't usually use Copy & Paste to replicate and Event and if you do
you won't get the Source copied over.

I suggest you read up in Help on Event Clipboard - on the Index tab type
Event and then select Clipboard from the list of topics displayed under
Event.  You should probably also read up on the Source Clipboard.

--
Jenny M Benson




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Re: [LegacyUG] Show me your printer

[Karen and Jim]

Sherry,

I'm assume that Legacy is using Windoz
Print Preview for the report screen display.
And I find no fault in that.  In fact it is a plus
in that Legacy doesn't need to add
it to its own large code baggage.

I see I have Microsoft XPS Document Writer
installed in Printers and Faxes.  Nothing else.
That seems to satisfy Legacy's printer requirement.

I've tried to duplicate this no-screen problem,
but with no results.  I've rebooted Windoz,
a warm boot.  No luck.  Maybe I need to
shutdown completely.  I'll try that later.

Again I say you have a bug.
When several of us,
who have a printer driver installed,
report no screen/printer in Reports
and we can only get Reports working again
after rebooting Legacy  ===>>
That is a BUG, not a feature.

JimS


On 09/10/2012 11:35 AM, Sherry/Support wrote:
> Legacy requires that at least a printer driver be installed, even if
> you don't connect to a printer, in order to know how to format the
> reports. Just pick a standard inkjet printer driver.  If you have a
> printer connected to another computer, use the printer driver option
> for that printer.
> It is not a bug - it's a requirement of Legacy.
> It's very easy to set a default printer driver - your Windows Help
> screen should give you instructions.
>
> Sincerely,
> Sherry
> Technical Support
> Legacy Family Tree
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 7:43 AM, Karen and Jim  > wrote:
>
> Bottom Line: I have no printers.
> Whether I have a printer installed or not
> should not affect viewing reports on screen.
> But since it does affect screen view, then
> it is a Legacy bug.
> JimS
>
>




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Re: [LegacyUG] New files

[Lavern Hall]

Thanks.
The procedure JL outlined is correct for copying the event;
however, as Jenny confirmed, the source does not copy.
I suspect the easiest (and quickest) option is to just
re-create the source for this child, but I'm happy to read
up on Events and the Source Clipboard again... always learning!

Thanks again,
Lavern Hall :-)

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 5:01 PM, Jenny M Benson wrote:

> On 11/09/2012 20:48, Lavern Hall wrote:
> > Sorry, I've tried, but I don't know how to accomplish this. I don't have
> a
> > problem highlighting the text, then doing a copy/paste,
> > but I don't know how do I get the source to copy?  Thanks...
>
> You don't usually use Copy & Paste to replicate and Event and if you do
> you won't get the Source copied over.
>
> I suggest you read up in Help on Event Clipboard - on the Index tab type
> Event and then select Clipboard from the list of topics displayed under
> Event.  You should probably also read up on the Source Clipboard.
>
> --
> Jenny M Benson
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Re: [LegacyUG] Paper filing question (by family)

[SHIRLEY ANDERSON]

I put all of the records for an individual together.  (I use 3-ring binders, but
I have described it as if the dividers were folders.)  If I don't have any
descendants for the person, I put their records with  their parents.  If I later
find descendants, I move the records.  I keep the photos in that folder also,
except for very immediate family, where because of the volume, I have a second
folder for the photos.  A group photo or record that involves more than one
sibling goes with the parents.


I don't save most census records.  And I don't save any as paper copies.  I
simply don't have the space for them.  There would be thousands.  I link to them
in Ancestry and I can quickly go there if I have questions.  If there are no
online records, such as the Scotland census in Ancestry, and I have obtained the
record elsewhere, I store those in a folder Country>Census>Year.  File is
labeled with year and household name, and sometimes location information, e.g.
1901RodgerJames_646_60_18.

 ~~
Shirley York Anderson   yor...@prodigy.net
~~
My web site: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~syafam/
http://myfamilybrickwalls.blogspot.com/





From: Paula Ryburn 
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Tue, September 11, 2012 1:09:12 PM
Subject: [LegacyUG] Paper filing question (by family)


I file my papers by family (I believe it's the system by Mills?), and have a
question for those of you who do likewise.  I don't wish to change how I file
the papers, because I do my research by family.

For a daughter, I have been filing all her papers for events prior to her
marriage (e.g., her birth record) in her parent's folder.  Then I file all her
papers for events after her marriage (including after her husband's death, where
applicable) in her marriage folder.  I haven't run into a case in my lineage
where the widow has remarried, but I would put her papers, beginning with that
marriage record, in a new folder for the second marriage.

For a son, I had not been doing likewise... or at least I was not consistent.
 Most times, I put all his papers (including birth record) in his marriage
folder, but discovered I had not done so on my current research project; I had
filed the birth register in his parents' folder.

Further, for most collateral lines (which up until recently I have not been
researching), I leave all the other children's papers in the parents' folder.

So, my question is this:  Where do YOU file the papers for life events prior to
marriage?  In the parents' folder?  Or in their own folder?
Follow-up questions:  Do you treat sons and daughters the same?  Do you treat
grown, unmarried children the same?

Thanks in advance for your thoughtful replies,
 --Paula in Texas
Researching:  Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman
Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline  Field
Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle
Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn
Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams


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Re: [LegacyUG] New files

[Jenny M Benson]

On 11/09/2012 20:48, Lavern Hall wrote:
> Sorry, I've tried, but I don't know how to accomplish this. I don't have a
> problem highlighting the text, then doing a copy/paste,
> but I don't know how do I get the source to copy?  Thanks...

You don't usually use Copy & Paste to replicate and Event and if you do
you won't get the Source copied over.

I suggest you read up in Help on Event Clipboard - on the Index tab type
Event and then select Clipboard from the list of topics displayed under
Event.  You should probably also read up on the Source Clipboard.

--
Jenny M Benson



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RE: [LegacyUG] How to lump census records

[Judith]

"Repository is not (HeritageQuest, Ancestry or whatever)
U.S. Census are housed at the 'National Archives'. If HeritageQuest, Ancestry 
are no longer around, how would one find the record. One needs to enter where 
and how to drive a person to the actual source.
Ancestry, are just tools to make it easier to find and view such records."

Thank you!
J






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Re: [LegacyUG] New files

[JLB]

If it's an Event you're talking about and I think from what you said, it
is, click the Edit button for that Event on a person where it's entered
correctly. Over on the right side, under the bigger buttons - under Help
are two smaller buttons, one for copy, one for paste. Click the copy
button which is the first one. Go to the child you missed, click Edit
and then click the Paste button.
---
JL Beeken
JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
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On 9/11/2012 12:48 PM, Lavern Hall wrote:
> Sorry, I've tried, but I don't know how to accomplish this. I don't have
> a problem highlighting the text, then doing a copy/paste,
> but I don't know how do I get the source to copy?  Thanks...
> Lavern Hall
> On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 8:00 PM, JLB mailto:j...@jgen.ws>> 
> wrote:
>
> If your previous use of that Census Event was sourced, when you copy and
> paste the event the source goes with it.
> ---
> JL Beeken
> JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
> http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/
>
> On 9/10/2012 12:54 PM, Lavern Hall wrote:
>  > Sorry, I meant to say that I *had* copied the event
>  > for everyone in the family except the youngest child...
>  >
>  > On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Lavern Hall
> mailto:lavernh...@gmail.com>
>  > >> wrote:
>  >
>  > This is a good question and I'm glad Michele asked it.
>  > I have a similar question: I entered a Census Event
>  > for a family of 6 (parents and 4 children) and found
>  > when I rechecked my work that I had not copied the
>  > event for everyone except the last child. I know I can
>  > create the event for the last child and copy/paste the text,
>  > but is there a way to copy the source?
>  > Thanks,
>  > Lavern Hall
>  > Aurora, Ohio
>  >
>  >
>  > On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 8:02 AM,  
>  > >> wrote:
>  >
>  > "Michele Lewis" mailto:ancestor...@gmail.com>
>  > >>
> proclaimed:
>  >
>  > >Is there any way when you start a new file to have access to
>  > the sources
>  > >that you already have?
>  >
>  > Look in the help under "Import Lists".
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RE: [LegacyUG] Living or Dead - take 2

[Michele Lewis]

There is something in the options you can change.  It asks you if they are 
living or dead based on what age you have in this option.  You can pump the age 
up to something like 999 and then it won't ask you anymore.

Michele



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Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 3:27 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Living or Dead - take 2

Hi again,

I'm using version 5 Deluxe.
And I still think it is the best of the best.
And I've been using genealogy software since Roots II and CP/M in the mid 1980s.
But.
Here is what is happening with Legacy.
1. Henry Kirk is born in 1917 and I enter him into Legacy.
2. When I save, I'm asked whether he is Living or Dead.
There is no "?" as there is for sex.  I enter "Yes".
3. I don't know if he is alive or dead as I just found him on the internet as 
the son of ... long dead in Denmark.
4. Later I find his confirmation record and I enter that data.
5. Again I'm asked whether he is Living or Dead even thou I have already listed 
him as living.
6. Later I find Henry has married and when I save his data, again I'm asked 
whether he is Living or Dead.
7. Every time I open and save Henry's file, I'm asked again, nag, nag, nag, and 
I don't really know if he is dead or alive.

Can I turn this nagger off?

On the 6th I asked here "Living or Dead", which to use and decided to give the 
person life.  But this has become a nuisance.

I've now changed Henry to Dead and the nuisance has gone away.
And from now on I'll pronounce all are dead when asked, unless I know otherwise 
or have turned the nagger off.

JimS




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[LegacyUG] Living or Dead - take 2

[Karen and Jim]

Hi again,

I'm using version 5 Deluxe.
And I still think it is the best of the best.
And I've been using genealogy software since
Roots II and CP/M in the mid 1980s.
But.
Here is what is happening with Legacy.
1. Henry Kirk is born in 1917 and I enter him into Legacy.
2. When I save, I'm asked whether he is Living or Dead.
There is no "?" as there is for sex.  I enter "Yes".
3. I don't know if he is alive or dead as I just found him
on the internet as the son of ... long dead in Denmark.
4. Later I find his confirmation record and I enter that data.
5. Again I'm asked whether he is Living or Dead even thou
I have already listed him as living.
6. Later I find Henry has married and when I save his data,
again I'm asked whether he is Living or Dead.
7. Every time I open and save Henry's file, I'm asked again,
nag, nag, nag, and I don't really know if he is dead or alive.

Can I turn this nagger off?

On the 6th I asked here "Living or Dead", which to use and decided
to give the person life.  But this has become a nuisance.

I've now changed Henry to Dead and the nuisance has gone away.
And from now on I'll pronounce all are dead when asked, unless
I know otherwise or have turned the nagger off.

JimS




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Re: [LegacyUG] New files

[Lavern Hall]

Sorry, I've tried, but I don't know how to accomplish this. I don't have a
problem highlighting the text, then doing a copy/paste,
but I don't know how do I get the source to copy?  Thanks...

Lavern Hall

On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 8:00 PM, JLB  wrote:

> If your previous use of that Census Event was sourced, when you copy and
> paste the event the source goes with it.
> ---
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>
> On 9/10/2012 12:54 PM, Lavern Hall wrote:
> > Sorry, I meant to say that I *had* copied the event
> > for everyone in the family except the youngest child...
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Lavern Hall  > > wrote:
> >
> > This is a good question and I'm glad Michele asked it.
> > I have a similar question: I entered a Census Event
> > for a family of 6 (parents and 4 children) and found
> > when I rechecked my work that I had not copied the
> > event for everyone except the last child. I know I can
> > create the event for the last child and copy/paste the text,
> > but is there a way to copy the source?
> > Thanks,
> > Lavern Hall
> > Aurora, Ohio
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 8:02 AM,  > > wrote:
> >
> > "Michele Lewis"  > > proclaimed:
> >
> >  >Is there any way when you start a new file to have access to
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> >  >that you already have?
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> > Look in the help under "Import Lists".
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Re: [LegacyUG] Paper filing question (by family)

[JLB]

Although I file by MRIN, the question is still applicable.

I put all records for a person in their MRIN folder (and under their
MRIN in paper filing) regardless of whether it's before a marriage or
after. Except, for instance, where they're in a census record as a
child. All census records are filed under head of household.

I could just as well do it the other way except then I'd have to wonder
which record belongs after marriage and which before and that gives me
one more thing to trip over on my way to finding it.

I don't think it really matters. It's your filing system and as long as
you're consistent with your 'rules', then you know where to find things.

Documents for unmarried children are filed with their parents.

Because I digitize everything I rarely reference my paper files. I also
annotate all records with keywords (people's names), locations, etc., so
I can pull all records for anyone from everywhere through a simple
search. Consequently it wouldn't matter if I threw all files in one huge
folder or anywhere at random. Except for other reasons I have for not
doing it that way.

Video: MRIN Filing System
http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/video/mrin-filing-system/
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On 9/11/2012 11:08 AM, Paula Ryburn wrote:
> I file my papers by family (I believe it's the system by Mills?), and
> have a question for those of you who do likewise. I don't wish to change
> how I file the papers, because I do my research by family.
>
> For a daughter, I have been filing all her papers for events prior to
> her marriage (e.g., her birth record) in her parent's folder. Then I
> file all her papers for events after her marriage (including after her
> husband's death, where applicable) in her marriage folder. I haven't run
> into a case in my lineage where the widow has remarried, but I would put
> her papers, beginning with that marriage record, in a new folder for the
> second marriage.
>
> For a son, I had not been doing likewise... or at least I was not
> consistent. Most times, I put all his papers (including birth record) in
> his marriage folder, but discovered I had not done so on my current
> research project; I had filed the birth register in his parents' folder.
>
> Further, for most collateral lines (which up until recently I have not
> been researching), I leave all the other children's papers in the
> parents' folder.
>
> So, my question is this: Where do YOU file the papers for life events
> prior to marriage? In the parents' folder? Or in their own folder?
> Follow-up questions: Do you treat sons and daughters the same? Do you
> treat grown, unmarried children the same?
>
> Thanks in advance for your thoughtful replies,
> --Paula in Texas
> Researching: Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton
> Chapman Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis
> Exline Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind
> Hopkins Hughes Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner
> Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan
> Weller Williams
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RE: [LegacyUG] Paper filing question (by family)

[Richard and Evita Piepho]

For a daughter--yes
For a son--I would follow same as for a daughter as you listed
but remember everyone has a different way of filing and depends on the how you 
are developing the tree therefore there isn't a correct way of filing.  You do 
what is comfortable to you...if you have Legacy use it to help you remember.
you will get other ideas so remember to look at them and then morph from that 
for you own private filing system
I add a note in Legacy where I put the document in the place the information 
was applied...  example - birth certificate will place note in the note box of 
the birth, death certificate, obituary or funeral card note in the note box of 
the death, ect.
I also have an encyclopedia with every surname in the tree with a comment how 
that name entered the tree and details where to find the material for you see I 
have over 20,000 names and sometimes difficult to remember every relationship 
as my family arrived after the Indians signed the treaty giving up rights to 
the land, and the family is related to every pioneer family in the county by 
marriage or blood.

Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:08:36 -0700
From: paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net
Subject: [LegacyUG] Paper filing question (by family)
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

I file my papers by family (I believe it's the system by Mills?), and have a 
question for those of you who do likewise.  I don't wish to change how I file 
the papers, because I do my research by family.
For a daughter, I have been filing all her papers for events prior to her 
marriage (e.g., her birth record) in her parent's folder.  Then I file all her 
papers for events after her marriage (including after her husband's death, 
where applicable) in her marriage folder.  I haven't run into a case in my 
lineage where the widow has remarried, but I would put her papers, beginning 
with that marriage record, in a new folder for the second marriage.
For a son, I had not been doing likewise... or at least I was not consistent.
  Most times, I put all his papers (including birth record) in his marriage 
folder, but discovered I had not done so on my current research project; I had 
filed the birth register in his parents' folder.
Further, for most collateral lines (which up until recently I have not been 
researching), I leave all the other children's papers in the parents' folder.
So, my question is this:  Where do YOU file the papers for life events prior to 
marriage?  In the parents' folder?  Or in their own folder?Follow-up questions: 
 Do you treat sons and daughters the same?  Do you treat grown, unmarried 
children the same?
Thanks in advance for your thoughtful replies,
 --Paula in Texas
Researching:  Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman 
Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline
 Field Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes 
Hurdle Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts 
Roche Ryburn Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams






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Re: [LegacyUG] How to lump census records

[Ron Ferguson]

Jenny,

There is no difference between us. I was thinking mainly in terms of 
transcribed data, but like yourself, if there is an image then, I agree, it is 
my "view" which I use; often with a comment such as "Ancestry indexes the name 
as x ", where it differs from my version.

I still put the Ancestry DB in the repository though.
Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/
GOONS #5307


"Jenny M Benson"  wrote:

>On 11/09/2012 17:09, Ron Ferguson wrote:
>> I do not not disagree with you in absolute terms, but I do put (Ancestry,
>> Findmypast etc.) in the repository. But I also make it clear where the
>> actual documents may be viewed. My reason for this is that there may by a
>> transcription error in Ancestry etc. which I have recorded as written;
>> without knowing where I saw the reference it may prove harder to trace.
>
>In the case of records for which only a transcription is available to me
>I would do as you do, but where there is an original image I record what
>*I* see.
>
>Very often I agree that the transcription accurately reflects what is in
>the image, even though I know the image is wrong - as often happens with
>a Census where we are looking at what is already a transcription of an
>original (in the case of UK Censuses, anyway.)  Sometimes it easier for
>me to read what was actually written than it is for a transcriber who
>may be working at speed in an alien language, because I know what I am
>looking for.
>
>As I record the full reference in my Citationss people can always find
>what I looked at (if it's still available somewhere) and make up their
>own minds.
>--
>Jenny M Benson


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Re: [LegacyUG] How to lump census records

[Jenny M Benson]

On 11/09/2012 17:09, Ron Ferguson wrote:
> I do not not disagree with you in absolute terms, but I do put (Ancestry,
> Findmypast etc.) in the repository. But I also make it clear where the
> actual documents may be viewed. My reason for this is that there may by a
> transcription error in Ancestry etc. which I have recorded as written;
> without knowing where I saw the reference it may prove harder to trace.

In the case of records for which only a transcription is available to me
I would do as you do, but where there is an original image I record what
*I* see.

Very often I agree that the transcription accurately reflects what is in
the image, even though I know the image is wrong - as often happens with
a Census where we are looking at what is already a transcription of an
original (in the case of UK Censuses, anyway.)  Sometimes it easier for
me to read what was actually written than it is for a transcriber who
may be working at speed in an alien language, because I know what I am
looking for.

As I record the full reference in my Citationss people can always find
what I looked at (if it's still available somewhere) and make up their
own minds.
--
Jenny M Benson



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[LegacyUG] Paper filing question (by family)

[Paula Ryburn]

I file my papers by family (I believe it's the system by Mills?), and have a
question for those of you who do likewise.  I don't wish to change how I file
the papers, because I do my research by family.

For a daughter, I have been filing all her papers for events prior to her
marriage (e.g., her birth record) in her parent's folder.  Then I file all her
papers for events after her marriage (including after her husband's death, where
applicable) in her marriage folder.  I haven't run into a case in my lineage
where the widow has remarried, but I would put her papers, beginning with that
marriage record, in a new folder for the second marriage.

For a son, I had not been doing likewise... or at least I was not consistent.
 Most times, I put all his papers (including birth record) in his marriage
folder, but discovered I had not done so on my current research project; I had
filed the birth register in his parents' folder.

Further, for most collateral lines (which up until recently I have not been
researching), I leave all the other children's papers in the parents' folder.

So, my question is this:  Where do YOU file the papers for life events prior to
marriage?  In the parents' folder?  Or in their own folder?
Follow-up questions:  Do you treat sons and daughters the same?  Do you treat
grown, unmarried children the same?

Thanks in advance for your thoughtful replies,
 --Paula in Texas
Researching:  Adair Baker Beasley Benson Betz Bigley Blagrave Burton Chapman
Clement Clough Coppernoll Costine Daulton Dinwiddie Doody Ellis Exline Field
Floran Floyd Gates Goodale Gordon Gump Hale Harbaugh Hind Hopkins Hughes Hurdle
Jones Klein Koyle Laswell McDonald Misner Passwaters Pelton Roberts Roche Ryburn
Sanford Short Singer Sullivan Weller Williams



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[LegacyUG] Wednesday's Webinar: What is a Reasonably Exhaustive Search?

[Geoff Rasmussen]

The first step of the Genealogical Proof Standard is to "complete a
reasonably exhaustive search for all relevant records" related to your
research objective. This webinar, presented by Certified Genealogist
Michael Hait, discusses what a "reasonably exhaustive search" constitutes,
why this is necessary, and how to conduct a search. A case study explores
how failing to identify all relevant records can lead to missing
information and forming inaccurate conclusions about your ancestors' lives.

Join us for the live webinar on Wednesday, September 12, 2012 at 2pm
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Register at www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/webinars.asp. Hope to see you all
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Re: [LegacyUG] How to lump census records

[Ron Ferguson]

Tim,

I do not not disagree with you in absolute terms, but I do put (Ancestry,
Findmypast etc.) in the repository. But I also make it clear where the
actual documents may be viewed. My reason for this is that there may by a
transcription error in Ancestry etc. which I have recorded as written;
without knowing where I saw the reference it may prove harder to trace.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

-Original Message-
From: Tim Rosenlof
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 4:48 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to lump census records

On 9/11/2012 7:58 AM, Pat Hickin wrote:
> Year  US State  County - township/PO  - repository (HeritageQuest, Anc
> or whatever)
Repository is not (HeritageQuest, Ancestry or whatever)

U.S. Census are housed at the 'National Archives'. If HeritageQuest,
Ancestry are no longer around, how would one find the record. One needs
to enter where and how to drive a person to the actual source.
Ancestry, are just tools to make it easier to find and view such
records.

--
Tim Rosenlof
Utah, USA
Swedish Research




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Re: [LegacyUG] Glitch in the Relationship Calculator

[Ron Ferguson]

Pat,

Difficult to described, it is a marriage which is in your files but which
does not exist. It can, for example, arise when when a partner is added with
the intention of replacing, say, an unknown. Instead a second partner is
added so that there is now two marriages instead of one – just the sort of
thing which can arise when adding a step mother :-).

On a different point, whenever a new person is added, before running the RC
Tools>Set Relationships should be run.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

From: Pat Hickin
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 2:01 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Glitch in the Relationship Calculator

Ron,

What is a ghost marriage?

Michele, I think the RC must be like people -- exercise makes them more
agile!  :-)

Pat


On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Michele Lewis 
wrote:
Well that's weird.  I didn't change the settings at all.  I had blood at 999
and non blood at 10 already.  Now it is showing them as 4th cousins twice
removed and as husband and wife.  I have only recently connected my
stepmother into the family but the first time I ran it, it didn't pick it up
but this time it did.  Very cool.

Michele



-Original Message-
From: Jacob Psutka [mailto:4freeb...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 7:28 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Glitch in the Relationship Calculator

Michele,

Are you limiting the RC by setting the number of levels in the bottom left
of its screen too low?

Jacob

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 7:20 AM, Michele Lewis 
wrote:
> My dad and my stepmother are blood related (distantly but blood related).
> They relationship calculator will only say that they are husband and wife.
>
>
>
> Michele
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Pat Hickin [mailto:pph...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 11:51 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: [LegacyUG] Glitch in the Relationship Calculator
>
>
>
> Hi, Listers,
>
>
>
> I probably shouldn’t be spending my time or yours telling you about
> this -- it’s just a
>
>  minor warning!  But you may want to know that tho’ the Relationship
> Calculator is a great tool, it’s not perfect!
>
>
>
> I recently used the Relationship Calculator (RC) to see how I was
> related to “X”(b1809-d1884).  The RC told me we were not related, that
> “X” was my “3rd great-grandfather's wife's step nephew.”
>
>
>
> But since his grandmother was the sister of my 5x ggf, I knew we were
> related.
>
>
>
> So I used the RC in steps:
>
> 1) to get “X” ‘s relationship to my 4x ggf (result: 1stCousin,1x
> removed),
>
> 2) to get “X” ‘s relationship to my 2xggm (result: 2C), and
>
> 3) to get “X” ‘s relationship to me (new result: 2C,4r).
>
>
>
> Actually it said “X” & I have “3 common ancestors”:
>
> 1) FNU McC__ & (wife)  -- (result: 2C,4r)
>
> 2) FNU McC__ & (wife)  -- (result: 2C,5r)
>
> Note that 1) & 2) are the same as I’m
> descended from two different sons -- lots of cousinly intermarriages)
>
> 3) “Not Related” - The Descriptive Link says he’s my  “3rd
> great-grandfather's wife's step nephew.”
>
>
>
> I think on the first try, the RC is supposed to come up with the
> closest link --not the most remote!!
>
>
>
> Pat
>
>




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Re: [LegacyUG] How to lump census records

[Tim Rosenlof]

On 9/11/2012 7:58 AM, Pat Hickin wrote:
> Year  US State  County - township/PO  - repository (HeritageQuest, Anc
> or whatever)
Repository is not (HeritageQuest, Ancestry or whatever)

U.S. Census are housed at the 'National Archives'. If HeritageQuest,
Ancestry are no longer around, how would one find the record. One needs
to enter where and how to drive a person to the actual source.
Ancestry, are just tools to make it easier to find and view such
records.

--
Tim Rosenlof
Utah, USA
Swedish Research



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Re: [LegacyUG] How to lump census records

[Pat Hickin]

I don't use SourceWriter for censuses.

I'm very much a splitter.  My Source List Name reads, e.g.:

Year  US State  County - township/PO  - repository (HeritageQuest, Anc or
whatever)
1860 US Census-IL-Jackson  Co.-Carbondale PO-HerQu

For the Title, I simply copy and paste the Source List Name.

In the space for Publication  Facts, I put series, roll#, url.

For Repository, it's HeritageQuestOnline, Ancestry or whatever

In the Detail, I put
page #, Line #s, house#, family#: head of household, street address
e.g.:
p127A, lines 9-17, House 236, Fam 240: James M. Jackson h'hold, 324 Vine St.

(That way, I can use the same detail for every member of the household.)

Another advantage is that when I need to add a census I don't already have,
I just choose one from the Master Source List that is most closely similar
to the one I want to add, edit it and save the edited version as a new
source.

Anything to avoid typing & save time!!

Pat



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Re: [LegacyUG] Glitch in the Relationship Calculator

[Pat Hickin]

Ron,

What is a ghost marriage?

Michele, I think the RC must be like people -- exercise makes them more
agile!  :-)

Pat

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Michele Lewis wrote:

> Well that's weird.  I didn't change the settings at all.  I had blood at
> 999 and non blood at 10 already.  Now it is showing them as 4th cousins
> twice removed and as husband and wife.  I have only recently connected my
> stepmother into the family but the first time I ran it, it didn't pick it
> up but this time it did.  Very cool.
>
> Michele
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jacob Psutka [mailto:4freeb...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 7:28 AM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Glitch in the Relationship Calculator
>
> Michele,
>
> Are you limiting the RC by setting the number of levels in the bottom left
> of its screen too low?
>
> Jacob
>
> On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 7:20 AM, Michele Lewis 
> wrote:
> > My dad and my stepmother are blood related (distantly but blood related).
> > They relationship calculator will only say that they are husband and
> wife.
> >
> >
> >
> > Michele
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Pat Hickin [mailto:pph...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 11:51 PM
> > To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> > Subject: [LegacyUG] Glitch in the Relationship Calculator
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi, Listers,
> >
> >
> >
> > I probably shouldn’t be spending my time or yours telling you about
> > this -- it’s just a
> >
> >  minor warning!  But you may want to know that tho’ the Relationship
> > Calculator is a great tool, it’s not perfect!
> >
> >
> >
> > I recently used the Relationship Calculator (RC) to see how I was
> > related to “X”(b1809-d1884).  The RC told me we were not related, that
> > “X” was my “3rd great-grandfather's wife's step nephew.”
> >
> >
> >
> > But since his grandmother was the sister of my 5x ggf, I knew we were
> > related.
> >
> >
> >
> > So I used the RC in steps:
> >
> > 1) to get “X” ‘s relationship to my 4x ggf (result: 1stCousin,1x
> > removed),
> >
> > 2) to get “X” ‘s relationship to my 2xggm (result: 2C), and
> >
> > 3) to get “X” ‘s relationship to me (new result: 2C,4r).
> >
> >
> >
> > Actually it said “X” & I have “3 common ancestors”:
> >
> > 1) FNU McC__ & (wife)  -- (result: 2C,4r)
> >
> > 2) FNU McC__ & (wife)  -- (result: 2C,5r)
> >
> > Note that 1) & 2) are the same as I’m
> > descended from two different sons -- lots of cousinly intermarriages)
> >
> > 3) “Not Related” - The Descriptive Link says he’s my  “3rd
> > great-grandfather's wife's step nephew.”
> >
> >
> >
> > I think on the first try, the RC is supposed to come up with the
> > closest link --not the most remote!!
> >
> >
> >
> > Pat
> >
> >
> >
> >
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RE: [LegacyUG] Glitch in the Relationship Calculator

[Michele Lewis]

Well that's weird.  I didn't change the settings at all.  I had blood at 999 
and non blood at 10 already.  Now it is showing them as 4th cousins twice 
removed and as husband and wife.  I have only recently connected my stepmother 
into the family but the first time I ran it, it didn't pick it up but this time 
it did.  Very cool.

Michele


-Original Message-
From: Jacob Psutka [mailto:4freeb...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 7:28 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Glitch in the Relationship Calculator

Michele,

Are you limiting the RC by setting the number of levels in the bottom left of 
its screen too low?

Jacob

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 7:20 AM, Michele Lewis  wrote:
> My dad and my stepmother are blood related (distantly but blood related).
> They relationship calculator will only say that they are husband and wife.
>
>
>
> Michele
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Pat Hickin [mailto:pph...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 11:51 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: [LegacyUG] Glitch in the Relationship Calculator
>
>
>
> Hi, Listers,
>
>
>
> I probably shouldn’t be spending my time or yours telling you about
> this -- it’s just a
>
>  minor warning!  But you may want to know that tho’ the Relationship
> Calculator is a great tool, it’s not perfect!
>
>
>
> I recently used the Relationship Calculator (RC) to see how I was
> related to “X”(b1809-d1884).  The RC told me we were not related, that
> “X” was my “3rd great-grandfather's wife's step nephew.”
>
>
>
> But since his grandmother was the sister of my 5x ggf, I knew we were
> related.
>
>
>
> So I used the RC in steps:
>
> 1) to get “X” ‘s relationship to my 4x ggf (result: 1stCousin,1x
> removed),
>
> 2) to get “X” ‘s relationship to my 2xggm (result: 2C), and
>
> 3) to get “X” ‘s relationship to me (new result: 2C,4r).
>
>
>
> Actually it said “X” & I have “3 common ancestors”:
>
> 1) FNU McC__ & (wife)  -- (result: 2C,4r)
>
> 2) FNU McC__ & (wife)  -- (result: 2C,5r)
>
> Note that 1) & 2) are the same as I’m
> descended from two different sons -- lots of cousinly intermarriages)
>
> 3) “Not Related” - The Descriptive Link says he’s my  “3rd
> great-grandfather's wife's step nephew.”
>
>
>
> I think on the first try, the RC is supposed to come up with the
> closest link --not the most remote!!
>
>
>
> Pat
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Glitch in the Relationship Calculator

[Jacob Psutka]

Michele,

Are you limiting the RC by setting the number of levels in the bottom
left of its screen too low?

Jacob

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 7:20 AM, Michele Lewis  wrote:
> My dad and my stepmother are blood related (distantly but blood related).
> They relationship calculator will only say that they are husband and wife.
>
>
>
> Michele
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Pat Hickin [mailto:pph...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 11:51 PM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: [LegacyUG] Glitch in the Relationship Calculator
>
>
>
> Hi, Listers,
>
>
>
> I probably shouldn’t be spending my time or yours telling you about this --
> it’s just a
>
>  minor warning!  But you may want to know that tho’ the Relationship
> Calculator is a great tool, it’s not perfect!
>
>
>
> I recently used the Relationship Calculator (RC) to see how I was related to
> “X”(b1809-d1884).  The RC told me we were not related, that “X” was my “3rd
> great-grandfather's wife's step nephew.”
>
>
>
> But since his grandmother was the sister of my 5x ggf, I knew we were
> related.
>
>
>
> So I used the RC in steps:
>
> 1) to get “X” ‘s relationship to my 4x ggf (result: 1stCousin,1x removed),
>
> 2) to get “X” ‘s relationship to my 2xggm (result: 2C), and
>
> 3) to get “X” ‘s relationship to me (new result: 2C,4r).
>
>
>
> Actually it said “X” & I have “3 common ancestors”:
>
> 1) FNU McC__ & (wife)  -- (result: 2C,4r)
>
> 2) FNU McC__ & (wife)  -- (result: 2C,5r)
>
> Note that 1) & 2) are the same as I’m descended from
> two different sons -- lots of cousinly intermarriages)
>
> 3) “Not Related” - The Descriptive Link says he’s my  “3rd
> great-grandfather's wife's step nephew.”
>
>
>
> I think on the first try, the RC is supposed to come up with the closest
> link --not the most remote!!
>
>
>
> Pat
>
>
>
>
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] Glitch in the Relationship Calculator

[Michele Lewis]

My dad and my stepmother are blood related (distantly but blood related).  They 
relationship calculator will only say that they are husband and wife.



Michele





From: Pat Hickin [mailto:pph...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 11:51 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Glitch in the Relationship Calculator



Hi, Listers,



I probably shouldn’t be spending my time or yours telling you about this -- 
it’s just a

 minor warning!  But you may want to know that tho’ the Relationship Calculator 
is a great tool, it’s not perfect!



I recently used the Relationship Calculator (RC) to see how I was related to 
“X”(b1809-d1884).  The RC told me we were not related, that “X” was my “3rd 
great-grandfather's wife's step nephew.”



But since his grandmother was the sister of my 5x ggf, I knew we were related.



So I used the RC in steps:

1) to get “X” ‘s relationship to my 4x ggf (result: 1stCousin,1x removed),

2) to get “X” ‘s relationship to my 2xggm (result: 2C), and

3) to get “X” ‘s relationship to me (new result: 2C,4r).



Actually it said “X” & I have “3 common ancestors”:

1) FNU McC__ & (wife)  -- (result: 2C,4r)

2) FNU McC__ & (wife)  -- (result: 2C,5r)

Note that 1) & 2) are the same as I’m descended from 
two different sons -- lots of cousinly intermarriages)

3) “Not Related” - The Descriptive Link says he’s my  “3rd great-grandfather's 
wife's step nephew.”



I think on the first try, the RC is supposed to come up with the closest link 
--not the most remote!!



Pat





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Re: [LegacyUG] Glitch in the Relationship Calculator

[Ron Ferguson]

My last should have said, of course, "do not have ghost images "
Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/
GOONS #5307


"Ron Ferguson"  wrote:

>Pat,
>
>I am not saying that the RC does not have a problem, although I have never 
>found it, but are you certain that you have ghost marriages, or similar?
>Ron Ferguson
>http://www.fergys.co.uk/
>GOONS #5307
>
>
>"Pat Hickin"  wrote:
>
>>Hi, Listers,
>>
>>I probably shouldn’t be spending my time or yours telling you about this --
>>it’s just a
>> minor warning!  But you may want to know that tho’ the Relationship
>>Calculator is a great tool, it’s not perfect!
>>
>>I recently used the Relationship Calculator (RC) to see how I was related
>>to “X”(b1809-d1884).  The RC told me we were not related, that “X” was my
>>“3rd great-grandfather's wife's step nephew.”
>>
>>But since his grandmother was the sister of my 5x ggf, I knew we were
>>related.
>>
>>So I used the RC in steps:
>>1) to get “X” ‘s relationship to my 4x ggf (result: 1stCousin,1x removed),
>>2) to get “X” ‘s relationship to my 2xggm (result: 2C), and
>>3) to get “X” ‘s relationship to me (new result: 2C,4r).
>>
>>Actually it said “X” & I have “3 common ancestors”:
>>1) FNU McC__ & (wife)  -- (result: 2C,4r)
>>2) FNU McC__ & (wife)  -- (result: 2C,5r)
>>Note that 1) & 2) are the same as I’m descended from two different sons --
>>lots of cousinly intermarriages)
>>3) “Not Related” - The Descriptive Link says he’s my  “3rd
>>great-grandfather's wife's step nephew.”
>>
>>I think on the first try, the RC is supposed to come up with the closest
>>link --not the most remote!!
>>
>>Pat
>

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Re: [LegacyUG] Glitch in the Relationship Calculator

[Ron Ferguson]

Pat,

I am not saying that the RC does not have a problem, although I have never 
found it, but are you certain that you have ghost marriages, or similar?
Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/
GOONS #5307


"Pat Hickin"  wrote:

>Hi, Listers,
>
>I probably shouldn’t be spending my time or yours telling you about this --
>it’s just a
> minor warning!  But you may want to know that tho’ the Relationship
>Calculator is a great tool, it’s not perfect!
>
>I recently used the Relationship Calculator (RC) to see how I was related
>to “X”(b1809-d1884).  The RC told me we were not related, that “X” was my
>“3rd great-grandfather's wife's step nephew.”
>
>But since his grandmother was the sister of my 5x ggf, I knew we were
>related.
>
>So I used the RC in steps:
>1) to get “X” ‘s relationship to my 4x ggf (result: 1stCousin,1x removed),
>2) to get “X” ‘s relationship to my 2xggm (result: 2C), and
>3) to get “X” ‘s relationship to me (new result: 2C,4r).
>
>Actually it said “X” & I have “3 common ancestors”:
>1) FNU McC__ & (wife)  -- (result: 2C,4r)
>2) FNU McC__ & (wife)  -- (result: 2C,5r)
>Note that 1) & 2) are the same as I’m descended from two different sons --
>lots of cousinly intermarriages)
>3) “Not Related” - The Descriptive Link says he’s my  “3rd
>great-grandfather's wife's step nephew.”
>
>I think on the first try, the RC is supposed to come up with the closest
>link --not the most remote!!
>
>Pat


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