Re: [LegacyUG] put part of a tree

[Susan Perrett]

One way is to create a Focus Group - see Help on how to do this -
then create a GEDCOM to upload to Ancestry, NOT that I have ever put
anything on Ancestry.

At 01:49 PM 22/11/2012, you wrote:
>Hello everyone,  Hope everyone is well.  I want to take part of my
>family tree and put it on a separate family tree on ancestry. How do I
>do this?
>
>

Susan Perrett
Melbourne, Australia
English webpage: http://www.st.net.au/~susanp/index.html
American webpage: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~susanp>
Research: ALSTON-Suffolk/Bedford/America,post 1850, BOURCHIER-UK,
post 1650, CHUDLEIGH-Devon, All, HOLTTUM-Kent,pre
1720,MARTEN-Sussex,pre 1660, OXENDEN-Kent, All.




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[LegacyUG] put part of a tree

[MJ SA]

Hello everyone,  Hope everyone is well.  I want to take part of my
family tree and put it on a separate family tree on ancestry. How do I
do this?



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[LegacyUG] How do I enter grandchild when parents unknown

[Tony Rolfe]

Brian has just rained on my parade as I was about to say the same thing.

I have several cases of grandchildren living with grandparents in
censuses and every one I have been able to confirm has been the child of
an unmarried daughter.

It was much easier for a young unmarried woman to find a husband without
a baby in tow and so the child often stayed with grandparents while the
mother appeared childless and single.

If the child does not appear in the subsequent censuses, it may be as
simple as the child dying young.  However, they may have been reunited
with Mum after her marriage and then taking the step-father's name.  Or
maybe the child is with the real father who has belatedly accepted
responsibility.

Some creative searching is called for.  Look in the next census for a
child in his teens who is with a family now, but wasn't in the earlier
censuses.  If after 1837, get the birth certificate, which may make
mention of the father.  Look under his name.

Search the child's first name and place of birth only - this may bring
up a corrupted spelling of the real name or a different surname which
may be the one you want.

Look for marriages of daughters - their censuses may contain a child
born before the marriage.

To answer your specific case, if John and Mary Smith have a grandson
Jim, I give them a child Smith, no first name, and add Jim to him.

Good luck.

Tony



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RE: [LegacyUG] How do I enter grandchild when parents unknown

[Brian L. Lightfoot]

Not to rain on your parade but there are other possibilities for his father. As 
we all know, genealogy is full of surprises. With that thought in mind, it 
might be possible that your “John C.” was the illegitimate son of a daughter 
and was given the family surname at birth and then not raised by the daughter 
but rather sent to live with the grandparents. I discovered one such person in 
my family file and I suspect there are many more out there.



It can happen.



Brian in CA





From: Louise [mailto:louiseboo...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 11:54 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] How do I enter grandchild when parents unknown



I have a John C. showing up in two consecutive censuses in Scotland living with 
his grandparents.  I have been unable so far to trace which of the children 
were his parents, in fact those 2 censuses are the only records of his 
existence. There are 2 possibilities for his father -- either would be old 
enough to father him. I have for the time being entered him as an unlinked 
person, but I would like to bring him into the family records.  Is there any 
way I can do this?

--
Louise Booth

Puppet Booth Productions
Hassle free entertainment for children and families
www.puppetbooth.homestead.com







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RE: [LegacyUG] How do I enter grandchild when parents unknown

[CE WOOD]

You could always add a father named alternatively "Father of (child)" or "Son 
of [name of grandparent(s)]" Then just be sure to correctly link the 
grandfather to the father and the father to the child, which you can do in 
either direction.
CEFrom: louiseboo...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 09:54:03 -1000
Subject: [LegacyUG] How do I enter grandchild when parents unknown
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

I have a John C. showing up in two consecutive censuses in Scotland living with 
his grandparents.  I have been unable so far to trace which of the children 
were his parents, in fact those 2 censuses are the only records of his 
existence. There are 2 possibilities for his father -- either would be old 
enough to father him. I have for the time being entered him as an unlinked 
person, but I would like to bring him into the family records.  Is there any 
way I can do this?


--
Louise Booth

Puppet Booth Productions
Hassle free entertainment for children and families
www.puppetbooth.homestead.com






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RE: [LegacyUG] Future updates

[CE WOOD]

This is helpful as many of us buy ancillary programs that work with the current 
Legacy version.  If a new one is coming, we may hold off buying until the 
ancillary program will work with the new Legacy. Wish there were a way to run 
two versions of Legacy, because then one could still use the ancillary programs 
until those have a version to work with a new Legacy version.  Sadly, once you 
convert your data to a new version, even an update, it no longer works with the 
previous version or prior update.  That means entering new data twice, once in 
the older version and once in the newer version, assuming one could have two 
version on one's computer at the same time. CEFrom: ge...@legacyusers.com
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 12:36:19 -0700
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Future updates
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Yes, we've got a lot of great things coming. No, I'm not going to give any hint 
of a timeline. We've learned from that. Programmers are working 18 hours days 
right now for us. They've been stuck on properly implementing a major new 
feature, but it's getting there. I'm excited about Legacy's future and feel you 
will be too.


Thanks, Geoff RasmussenMillennia 
corporationge...@legacyfamilytree.comwww.legacyfamilytree.com





On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Tessa Keough  wrote:


I remember the version 7 release (although not at traumatized as some

Legacy users). I do think that with the advancements by other

genealogy programs (most recently Ancestral Quest and RootsMagic), it

would be nice to have some general idea regarding a newer version of

Legacy. I think we all know that something is in the works - It would

not require a date certain and it would not require the list of

features, but it would be nice to know if we can expect something in

the near or far future OR if we should be looking at other programs.



I appreciate the great features in Legacy and realize that we have had

some features that others are just now getting BUT there were some

very interesting features introduced by others. I would like to know

if Legacy is going in that direction or if I need to spend some time

playing with other programs to get features that would be helpful to

my research and publishing. There is a lot out there and we do know

that these programs all try to provide the bells and whistles. I think

this is a simple request - are significant improvements in the works

or not? And if there is not "something concrete in the pipeline" now

that pretty much answers my question.



Tessa Keough

Guild of One-Name Studies, No. 5089

Legacy Virtual Users' Group

One Place Studies - Plate Cove, Newfoundland









On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 7:32 AM, Don Hendershot

 wrote:

>

> I disagree with belaboring a  negative assessment of Milleniums'

> performance;  especially at the Legacy 7.5 price point!

>

> Millennia does an excellent job in a small niche market with a steep

> middle-managent learning curve and with pretty limited resources.

>

> I expect some hickups, as long as it doesn't become the norm, and I want

> to make sure I always give credit where credit is due.

>

> Legacy 7.5 is a very good product at a very good price!  I wouldn't

> hesitate to buy it again right now.

>

> ~Don

>

>

> On Nov 21, 2012, at 7:15 AM, Mike Fry  wrote:

>

> > On 2012/11/21 14:59, Ronald Bernier wrote:

> >

> >> with all due respect, you are entitled to your opinion, but there are

> >> some of

> >> us who are interested in learning if a new release is imminent, or if

> >> there

> >> are new improvements on the horizon.  If you are not interested in this

> >> information, that is all well and good, just delete any related emails.

> >> You

> >> keep saying the release of version 7 was a problem - again, many of us

> >> disagree with your assessment.  I mean no disrepect, but everytime

> >> someone

> >> asks a question along this line, you send the exact same response word

> >> for

> >> word.

> >

> > I beg to differ. The release of version 7 was a shambles. Millennia made

> > the

> > mistake of raising expectations and then couldn't deliver on the several

> > dates

> > that they proposed. This led to a furore within this group, with a lot

> > of people

> > just asking "When", "When", "When" and displaying a lack of patience

> > because of

> > their raised expectations.

> >

> > The correct way of handling future releases, and Millennia is not Apple

> > or

> > Microsoft, is not to make sound until there's something concrete in the

> > pipeline. And even then, the announcement should only mention a date

> > that can be

> > met with 100% certainty.

> >

> > Until then... you'll just have to develop some patience.

> >

> > --

> > Regards,

> > Mike Fry

> > Johannesburg (g)


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Re: [LegacyUG] Future updates

[Geoff Rasmussen]

Yes, we've got a lot of great things coming. No, I'm not going to give any
hint of a timeline. We've learned from that. Programmers are working 18
hours days right now for us. They've been stuck on properly implementing a
major new feature, but it's getting there. I'm excited about Legacy's
future and feel you will be too.

Thanks,

Geoff Rasmussen
Millennia Corporation
ge...@legacyfamilytree.com
www.LegacyFamilyTree.com 



On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Tessa Keough  wrote:

> I remember the version 7 release (although not at traumatized as some
> Legacy users). I do think that with the advancements by other
> genealogy programs (most recently Ancestral Quest and RootsMagic), it
> would be nice to have some general idea regarding a newer version of
> Legacy. I think we all know that something is in the works - It would
> not require a date certain and it would not require the list of
> features, but it would be nice to know if we can expect something in
> the near or far future OR if we should be looking at other programs.
>
> I appreciate the great features in Legacy and realize that we have had
> some features that others are just now getting BUT there were some
> very interesting features introduced by others. I would like to know
> if Legacy is going in that direction or if I need to spend some time
> playing with other programs to get features that would be helpful to
> my research and publishing. There is a lot out there and we do know
> that these programs all try to provide the bells and whistles. I think
> this is a simple request - are significant improvements in the works
> or not? And if there is not "something concrete in the pipeline" now
> that pretty much answers my question.
>
> Tessa Keough
> Guild of One-Name Studies, No. 5089
> Legacy Virtual Users' Group
> One Place Studies - Plate Cove, Newfoundland
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 7:32 AM, Don Hendershot
>  wrote:
> >
> > I disagree with belaboring a  negative assessment of Milleniums'
> > performance;  especially at the Legacy 7.5 price point!
> >
> > Millennia does an excellent job in a small niche market with a steep
> > middle-managent learning curve and with pretty limited resources.
> >
> > I expect some hickups, as long as it doesn't become the norm, and I want
> > to make sure I always give credit where credit is due.
> >
> > Legacy 7.5 is a very good product at a very good price!  I wouldn't
> > hesitate to buy it again right now.
> >
> > ~Don
> >
> >
> > On Nov 21, 2012, at 7:15 AM, Mike Fry  wrote:
> >
> > > On 2012/11/21 14:59, Ronald Bernier wrote:
> > >
> > >> with all due respect, you are entitled to your opinion, but there are
> > >> some of
> > >> us who are interested in learning if a new release is imminent, or if
> > >> there
> > >> are new improvements on the horizon.  If you are not interested in
> this
> > >> information, that is all well and good, just delete any related
> emails.
> > >> You
> > >> keep saying the release of version 7 was a problem - again, many of us
> > >> disagree with your assessment.  I mean no disrepect, but everytime
> > >> someone
> > >> asks a question along this line, you send the exact same response word
> > >> for
> > >> word.
> > >
> > > I beg to differ. The release of version 7 was a shambles. Millennia
> made
> > > the
> > > mistake of raising expectations and then couldn't deliver on the
> several
> > > dates
> > > that they proposed. This led to a furore within this group, with a lot
> > > of people
> > > just asking "When", "When", "When" and displaying a lack of patience
> > > because of
> > > their raised expectations.
> > >
> > > The correct way of handling future releases, and Millennia is not Apple
> > > or
> > > Microsoft, is not to make sound until there's something concrete in the
> > > pipeline. And even then, the announcement should only mention a date
> > > that can be
> > > met with 100% certainty.
> > >
> > > Until then... you'll just have to develop some patience.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Regards,
> > > Mike Fry
> > > Johannesburg (g)
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [LegacyUG] No internet connection on start-up

[JLB]

If you want to include images for other people to look at, put them in
Dropbox or somewhere else like that and send us the link.
-
JL Beeken
JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists
http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/

On 11/21/2012 9:18 AM, Corney Keller wrote:
> Hello List,
>
> The subject of this thread may be a little misleading, but I could not think
> of another short way to put it.
>
> The problem is as follows:
> A week or two ago I installed a new modem for my broadband internet
> connection (combined with telephone and interactive TV, etc.) It works 100%
> and I'm very happy with it except for one small hick-up.
> When I start up Legacy (7.5), Legacy produces two text files containing the
> instructions and html-code to search for updates and to show the 'Legacy
> News' on the Legacy Home tab. No news is shown on the Legacy Home tab, only
> the text one usually gets when there is no internet connection "Make sure
> you are connected to the internet and then click here to retrieve the latest
> news items."
>
> The first text file generated is named: Legacy7Update[1].txt
> and contains the following code: "7.5.0.208,14 September
> 2012,http://www.LegacyDownload.com/Download/Legacy7/www1/,Legacy7Setup.exe,1
> 4,47.7"
>
> The second one generated is named: news7[1].txt
> and contains the following code (only a snippet because it is to large):
> " B|Talking Turkey ... and Family
> History|20121119|With the holidays approaching families will
> gather to enjoy turkey, Egg Nog, and tasty treats around the dining table,
> watch football and parades on TV, play games or just chat. While taking time
> for a conversation about your family's medical history will likely be the
> last thing on your mind during your Thanksgiving, Christmas, Hanukah or
> Kwanza celebrations, recording this information could be the best gift you
> can give to yourself, your relatives, and your
> descendants|http://news.legacyfamilytree.com/legacy_news/2012/11/talking
> -turkey-and-family-history.html "
> etc.
>
> Unfortunately I cannot add a screenshot as the list etiquette does not allow
> it. (strange though that pictures and HTML-text formatting is allowed when
> webinars and Cd's for webinars that have nothing to do with Legacy are
> advertised on this list, and nobody seems to mind!!!)
>
> For the rest, Legacy connects to internet when I check for updates or select
> any of the links under 'Support' on the right-hand column on the 'Legacy
> Home' Tab.
>
> I've already searched the archives but could not find anything similar.
>
> I have not reinstalled Legacy.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Corney Keller
> Zaandam, Netherlands
>
>
>
>
>
>
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RE: [LegacyUG] No internet connection on start-up

[Corney Keller]

Hello Ron,

It was already checked, but I unchecked it and restarted and checked it
again and restarted, with and without IE running (it was already installed).
Still not luck.
The files are also generated each time I select the 'Check the Internet No'
under 'Options'.

Cheers,

Corney


-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: woensdag 21 november 2012 18:52
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] No internet connection on start-up

Corney

I am going off memory now as I am not on my PC. If you go to the Legacy Home
tab in your program, on the top right there is an Options button, click on
that, and somewhere you will find "connect to the internet on start up" -
check that option.

Note that you need to have IE installed on your PC even if it is not your
default browser.
---
Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk
GOONS #5307

"Corney Keller"  wrote:

>Hello List,
>
>The subject of this thread may be a little misleading, but I could not
>think of another short way to put it.
>
>The problem is as follows:
>A week or two ago I installed a new modem for my broadband internet
>connection (combined with telephone and interactive TV, etc.) It works
>100% and I'm very happy with it except for one small hick-up.
>When I start up Legacy (7.5), Legacy produces two text files containing
>the instructions and html-code to search for updates and to show the
>'Legacy News' on the Legacy Home tab. No news is shown on the Legacy
>Home tab, only the text one usually gets when there is no internet
>connection "Make sure you are connected to the internet and then click
>here to retrieve the latest news items."
>
>The first text file generated is named: Legacy7Update[1].txt and
>contains the following code: "7.5.0.208,14 September
>2012,http://www.LegacyDownload.com/Download/Legacy7/www1/,Legacy7Setup.
>exe,1
>4,47.7"
>
>The second one generated is named: news7[1].txt and contains the
>following code (only a snippet because it is to large):
>" B|Talking Turkey ... and Family
>History|20121119|With the holidays approaching families will
>gather to enjoy turkey, Egg Nog, and tasty treats around the dining
>table, watch football and parades on TV, play games or just chat. While
>taking time for a conversation about your family's medical history will
>likely be the last thing on your mind during your Thanksgiving,
>Christmas, Hanukah or Kwanza celebrations, recording this information
>could be the best gift you can give to yourself, your relatives, and
>your
>descendants|http://news.legacyfamilytree.com/legacy_news/2012/11/ta
>lking
>-turkey-and-family-history.html "
>etc.
>
>Unfortunately I cannot add a screenshot as the list etiquette does not
>allow it. (strange though that pictures and HTML-text formatting is
>allowed when webinars and Cd's for webinars that have nothing to do
>with Legacy are advertised on this list, and nobody seems to mind!!!)
>
>For the rest, Legacy connects to internet when I check for updates or
>select any of the links under 'Support' on the right-hand column on the
>'Legacy Home' Tab.
>
>I've already searched the archives but could not find anything similar.
>
>I have not reinstalled Legacy.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Corney Keller
>Zaandam, Netherlands
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [LegacyUG] No internet connection on start-up

[Ron Ferguson]

Corney

I am going off memory now as I am not on my PC. If you go to the Legacy Home 
tab in your program, on the top right there is an Options button, click on  
that, and somewhere you will find "connect to the internet on start up" - check 
that option.

Note that you need to have IE installed on your PC even if it is not your 
default browser.
---
Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk
GOONS #5307

"Corney Keller"  wrote:

>Hello List,
>
>The subject of this thread may be a little misleading, but I could not think
>of another short way to put it.
>
>The problem is as follows:
>A week or two ago I installed a new modem for my broadband internet
>connection (combined with telephone and interactive TV, etc.) It works 100%
>and I'm very happy with it except for one small hick-up.
>When I start up Legacy (7.5), Legacy produces two text files containing the
>instructions and html-code to search for updates and to show the 'Legacy
>News' on the Legacy Home tab. No news is shown on the Legacy Home tab, only
>the text one usually gets when there is no internet connection "Make sure
>you are connected to the internet and then click here to retrieve the latest
>news items."
>
>The first text file generated is named: Legacy7Update[1].txt
>and contains the following code: "7.5.0.208,14 September
>2012,http://www.LegacyDownload.com/Download/Legacy7/www1/,Legacy7Setup.exe,1
>4,47.7"
>
>The second one generated is named: news7[1].txt
>and contains the following code (only a snippet because it is to large):
>" B|Talking Turkey ... and Family
>History|20121119|With the holidays approaching families will
>gather to enjoy turkey, Egg Nog, and tasty treats around the dining table,
>watch football and parades on TV, play games or just chat. While taking time
>for a conversation about your family's medical history will likely be the
>last thing on your mind during your Thanksgiving, Christmas, Hanukah or
>Kwanza celebrations, recording this information could be the best gift you
>can give to yourself, your relatives, and your
>descendants|http://news.legacyfamilytree.com/legacy_news/2012/11/talking
>-turkey-and-family-history.html "
>etc.
>
>Unfortunately I cannot add a screenshot as the list etiquette does not allow
>it. (strange though that pictures and HTML-text formatting is allowed when
>webinars and Cd's for webinars that have nothing to do with Legacy are
>advertised on this list, and nobody seems to mind!!!)
>
>For the rest, Legacy connects to internet when I check for updates or select
>any of the links under 'Support' on the right-hand column on the 'Legacy
>Home' Tab.
>
>I've already searched the archives but could not find anything similar.
>
>I have not reinstalled Legacy.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Corney Keller
>Zaandam, Netherlands
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [LegacyUG] Future updates

[Tessa Keough]

I remember the version 7 release (although not at traumatized as some
Legacy users). I do think that with the advancements by other
genealogy programs (most recently Ancestral Quest and RootsMagic), it
would be nice to have some general idea regarding a newer version of
Legacy. I think we all know that something is in the works - It would
not require a date certain and it would not require the list of
features, but it would be nice to know if we can expect something in
the near or far future OR if we should be looking at other programs.

I appreciate the great features in Legacy and realize that we have had
some features that others are just now getting BUT there were some
very interesting features introduced by others. I would like to know
if Legacy is going in that direction or if I need to spend some time
playing with other programs to get features that would be helpful to
my research and publishing. There is a lot out there and we do know
that these programs all try to provide the bells and whistles. I think
this is a simple request - are significant improvements in the works
or not? And if there is not "something concrete in the pipeline" now
that pretty much answers my question.

Tessa Keough
Guild of One-Name Studies, No. 5089
Legacy Virtual Users' Group
One Place Studies - Plate Cove, Newfoundland




On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 7:32 AM, Don Hendershot
 wrote:
>
> I disagree with belaboring a  negative assessment of Milleniums'
> performance;  especially at the Legacy 7.5 price point!
>
> Millennia does an excellent job in a small niche market with a steep
> middle-managent learning curve and with pretty limited resources.
>
> I expect some hickups, as long as it doesn't become the norm, and I want
> to make sure I always give credit where credit is due.
>
> Legacy 7.5 is a very good product at a very good price!  I wouldn't
> hesitate to buy it again right now.
>
> ~Don
>
>
> On Nov 21, 2012, at 7:15 AM, Mike Fry  wrote:
>
> > On 2012/11/21 14:59, Ronald Bernier wrote:
> >
> >> with all due respect, you are entitled to your opinion, but there are
> >> some of
> >> us who are interested in learning if a new release is imminent, or if
> >> there
> >> are new improvements on the horizon.  If you are not interested in this
> >> information, that is all well and good, just delete any related emails.
> >> You
> >> keep saying the release of version 7 was a problem - again, many of us
> >> disagree with your assessment.  I mean no disrepect, but everytime
> >> someone
> >> asks a question along this line, you send the exact same response word
> >> for
> >> word.
> >
> > I beg to differ. The release of version 7 was a shambles. Millennia made
> > the
> > mistake of raising expectations and then couldn't deliver on the several
> > dates
> > that they proposed. This led to a furore within this group, with a lot
> > of people
> > just asking "When", "When", "When" and displaying a lack of patience
> > because of
> > their raised expectations.
> >
> > The correct way of handling future releases, and Millennia is not Apple
> > or
> > Microsoft, is not to make sound until there's something concrete in the
> > pipeline. And even then, the announcement should only mention a date
> > that can be
> > met with 100% certainty.
> >
> > Until then... you'll just have to develop some patience.
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> > Mike Fry
> > Johannesburg (g)
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [LegacyUG] Future updates

[Don Hendershot]

I disagree with belaboring a  negative assessment of Milleniums' performance;  
especially at the Legacy 7.5 price point!

Millennia does an excellent job in a small niche market with a steep 
middle-managent learning curve and with pretty limited resources.

I expect some hickups, as long as it doesn't become the norm, and I want to 
make sure I always give credit where credit is due.

Legacy 7.5 is a very good product at a very good price!  I wouldn't hesitate to 
buy it again right now.

~Don


On Nov 21, 2012, at 7:15 AM, Mike Fry  wrote:

> On 2012/11/21 14:59, Ronald Bernier wrote:
>
>> with all due respect, you are entitled to your opinion, but there are some of
>> us who are interested in learning if a new release is imminent, or if there
>> are new improvements on the horizon.  If you are not interested in this
>> information, that is all well and good, just delete any related emails.  You
>> keep saying the release of version 7 was a problem - again, many of us
>> disagree with your assessment.  I mean no disrepect, but everytime someone
>> asks a question along this line, you send the exact same response word for
>> word.
>
> I beg to differ. The release of version 7 was a shambles. Millennia made the
> mistake of raising expectations and then couldn't deliver on the several dates
> that they proposed. This led to a furore within this group, with a lot of 
> people
> just asking "When", "When", "When" and displaying a lack of patience because 
> of
> their raised expectations.
>
> The correct way of handling future releases, and Millennia is not Apple or
> Microsoft, is not to make sound until there's something concrete in the
> pipeline. And even then, the announcement should only mention a date that can 
> be
> met with 100% certainty.
>
> Until then... you'll just have to develop some patience.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Mike Fry
> Johannesburg (g)
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Future updates

[Doug Laidlaw]

The GUI is Legacy's trademark, IMO, and it is what I like best about
Legacy. It shows 3 families at once in relationship, not just a list of
names.  One has to bring up an editing screen to change anything, but
with others, one has to move to a families view to see the result.
Each program has features which appeal to its followers.

But Rich specifically asked about updates to the website creation
feature, which I don't use anyway.  The question probably should go to
the company, not to a users' list.  It is the kind of announcement that
could be put in a blog.

Doug,
Indexing for http://www.ryersonindex.org/

On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:38:11 +
Ronald Bernier  wrote:

> Mike,
>
> I'll take a look at Legacy 8 if and when it is released, but I have
> already started the migration of my data to a program which I feel
> is/has outpaced Legacy's innovations (which have become very stale).
>
> I'll give Legacy points for their reports, but Legacy's GUI is
> definitely outdated.   Legacy hasn't really offered any innovative
> ideas for quite some time.  They touted version 7.5 as if it was a
> great improvement/upgrade - basically 7.5 added Family Search
> capabilities which some folks are/were interested in, but many are
> not.  Of course (through no fault of Legacy's) most folks haven't
> even been able to make use of the Family Search capabilities until
> very recently.
>
> If you look at the various software reviews/comparisons, you will
> notice that Legacy still has a good rating, but they have definitely
> lost ground.
>
> Bottom line, no need for me to develop patience for an eventual
> upgrade that I really don't expect to offer any substantial
> enhancements/innovative ideas.
>
> Ron Bernier
> Woonsocket, RI
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mike Fry [mailto:emjay...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 9:15 AM
> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Future updates
>
> On 2012/11/21 14:59, Ronald Bernier wrote:
>
> > with all due respect, you are entitled to your opinion, but there
> > are some of us who are interested in learning if a new release is
> > imminent, or if there are new improvements on the horizon.  If you
> > are not interested in this information, that is all well and good,
> > just delete any related emails.  You keep saying the release of
> > version 7 was a problem - again, many of us disagree with your
> > assessment.  I mean no disrepect, but everytime someone asks a
> > question along this line, you send the exact same response word for
> > word.
>
> I beg to differ. The release of version 7 was a shambles. Millennia
> made the mistake of raising expectations and then couldn't deliver on
> the several dates that they proposed. This led to a furore within
> this group, with a lot of people just asking "When", "When", "When"
> and displaying a lack of patience because of their raised
> expectations.
>
> The correct way of handling future releases, and Millennia is not
> Apple or Microsoft, is not to make sound until there's something
> concrete in the pipeline. And even then, the announcement should only
> mention a date that can be met with 100% certainty.
>
> Until then... you'll just have to develop some patience.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Mike Fry
> Johannesburg (g)
>
>
>



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RE: [LegacyUG] Future updates

[Ronald Bernier]

Mike,

I'll take a look at Legacy 8 if and when it is released, but I have already 
started the migration of my data to a program which I feel is/has outpaced 
Legacy's innovations (which have become very stale).

I'll give Legacy points for their reports, but Legacy's GUI is definitely 
outdated.   Legacy hasn't really offered any innovative ideas for quite some 
time.  They touted version 7.5 as if it was a great improvement/upgrade - 
basically 7.5 added Family Search capabilities which some folks are/were 
interested in, but many are not.  Of course (through no fault of Legacy's) most 
folks haven't even been able to make use of the Family Search capabilities 
until very recently.

If you look at the various software reviews/comparisons, you will notice that 
Legacy still has a good rating, but they have definitely lost ground.

Bottom line, no need for me to develop patience for an eventual upgrade that I 
really don't expect to offer any substantial enhancements/innovative ideas.

Ron Bernier
Woonsocket, RI

-Original Message-
From: Mike Fry [mailto:emjay...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 9:15 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Future updates

On 2012/11/21 14:59, Ronald Bernier wrote:

> with all due respect, you are entitled to your opinion, but there are
> some of us who are interested in learning if a new release is
> imminent, or if there are new improvements on the horizon.  If you are
> not interested in this information, that is all well and good, just
> delete any related emails.  You keep saying the release of version 7
> was a problem - again, many of us disagree with your assessment.  I
> mean no disrepect, but everytime someone asks a question along this
> line, you send the exact same response word for word.

I beg to differ. The release of version 7 was a shambles. Millennia made the 
mistake of raising expectations and then couldn't deliver on the several dates 
that they proposed. This led to a furore within this group, with a lot of 
people just asking "When", "When", "When" and displaying a lack of patience 
because of their raised expectations.

The correct way of handling future releases, and Millennia is not Apple or 
Microsoft, is not to make sound until there's something concrete in the 
pipeline. And even then, the announcement should only mention a date that can 
be met with 100% certainty.

Until then... you'll just have to develop some patience.

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg (g)



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Re: [LegacyUG] Future updates

[Mike Fry]

On 2012/11/21 14:59, Ronald Bernier wrote:

> with all due respect, you are entitled to your opinion, but there are some of
> us who are interested in learning if a new release is imminent, or if there
> are new improvements on the horizon.  If you are not interested in this
> information, that is all well and good, just delete any related emails.  You
> keep saying the release of version 7 was a problem - again, many of us
> disagree with your assessment.  I mean no disrepect, but everytime someone
> asks a question along this line, you send the exact same response word for
> word.

I beg to differ. The release of version 7 was a shambles. Millennia made the
mistake of raising expectations and then couldn't deliver on the several dates
that they proposed. This led to a furore within this group, with a lot of people
just asking "When", "When", "When" and displaying a lack of patience because of
their raised expectations.

The correct way of handling future releases, and Millennia is not Apple or
Microsoft, is not to make sound until there's something concrete in the
pipeline. And even then, the announcement should only mention a date that can be
met with 100% certainty.

Until then... you'll just have to develop some patience.

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg (g)



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RE: [LegacyUG] Future updates

[Ron Ferguson]

Of course I send the same reply, and I am surprised that you do not recollect 
the day after day of mail to this list for the 12 months after Legacy announced 
that V7 would be released "shortly".

I am afraid that on this occasion I will not be taking your advce and will 
continue to send the same post. Please feel free to delete them.
---
Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk
GOONS #5307

"Ronald Bernier"  wrote:

>Ron,
>
>With all due respect, you are entitled to your opinion, but there are some of 
>us who are interested in learning if a new release is imminent, or if there 
>are new improvements on the horizon.  If you are not interested in this 
>information, that is all well and good, just delete any related emails.  You 
>keep saying the release of version 7 was a problem - again, many of us 
>disagree with your assessment.  I mean no disrepect, but everytime someone 
>asks a question along this line, you send the exact same response word for 
>word.
>
>Ron Bernier
>Woonsocket, RI
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
>Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 7:49 AM
>To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
>Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Future updates
>
>Rich,
>
>In my opinion quite correctly, Legacy never gives advanced notice of 
>improvements, and after the problems of the launch of V7 I hope that they will 
>never, ever, give even a hint of a date.
>---
>Ron Ferguson
>http://www.fergys.co.uk
>GOONS #5307
>
>"Rich Falzini"  wrote:
>
>>I want to ask if anyone knows of any up dates or improvements that will be 
>>coming in the near future in regards to the website creation feature on 
>>legacy?
>>
>>Thanks
>>Rich in Cleveland

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RE: [LegacyUG] Future updates

[Ronald Bernier]

Ron,

With all due respect, you are entitled to your opinion, but there are some of 
us who are interested in learning if a new release is imminent, or if there are 
new improvements on the horizon.  If you are not interested in this 
information, that is all well and good, just delete any related emails.  You 
keep saying the release of version 7 was a problem - again, many of us disagree 
with your assessment.  I mean no disrepect, but everytime someone asks a 
question along this line, you send the exact same response word for word.

Ron Bernier
Woonsocket, RI

-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 7:49 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Future updates

Rich,

In my opinion quite correctly, Legacy never gives advanced notice of 
improvements, and after the problems of the launch of V7 I hope that they will 
never, ever, give even a hint of a date.
---
Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk
GOONS #5307

"Rich Falzini"  wrote:

>I want to ask if anyone knows of any up dates or improvements that will be 
>coming in the near future in regards to the website creation feature on legacy?
>
>Thanks
>Rich in Cleveland
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>

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Re: [LegacyUG] Future updates

[Ron Ferguson]

Rich,

In my opinion quite correctly, Legacy never gives advanced notice of 
improvements, and after the problems of the launch of V7 I hope that they will 
never, ever, give even a hint of a date.
---
Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk
GOONS #5307

"Rich Falzini"  wrote:

>I want to ask if anyone knows of any up dates or improvements that will be 
>coming in the near future in regards to the website creation feature on legacy?
>
>Thanks
>Rich in Cleveland
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>

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Re: [LegacyUG] Place Hierarchy

[Doug Laidlaw]

On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 11:22:40 +
Ron Ferguson  wrote:

> It is, in my view, also incorrect to use ", ," because this will
> indicate something is missing - there isn't! Every country's
> locations should be written as the locals do.

This was probably more necessary in the days before computers.  Its
other use is to make sure that the columns line up.  It is fine where
most of the places are in the USA, but I have only one family there.

For a co-operative site online I use TNG, and its maintainer tries to
make it compatible with Legacy.  It uses the Google database of places,
which seems to give no guidance whatever in formatting.

Doug.



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[LegacyUG] Future updates

[Rich Falzini]

I want to ask if anyone knows of any up dates or improvements that will be 
coming in the near future in regards to the website creation feature on legacy?

Thanks
Rich in Cleveland

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Re: [LegacyUG] Place Hierarchy

[Doug Laidlaw]

On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 13:11:01 +0200
Mike Fry  wrote:

> On 2012/11/21 12:59, Doug Laidlaw wrote:
>
> > Legacy requires me to uase the "City, County, State, Country"
> > hierarchy, and I am happy to use it if it helps.
>
> No it doesn't! That's a fallacy! Ignore the US-centric stuff if
> you're not interested in the US. And don't get too hung up on using
> the Geo Database - that tries to enforce the US style of naming
> locations on parts of the world that don't use it.
>
> Organise your locations according to how _you_ want to use them. You
> actually have possible 9 parts to a location; more than enough for
> any one. Just be consistent.
>


Thanks Mike.  The other thing about the Legacy database is its large
minimum squares.  I have seen it put places out in the ocean.

Just in case somebody reading this has seen counties in Australia:

In Victoria, where I live, the County is a Crown Lands unit, of no
relevance to addressing.  It is subdivided into Parishes.  County
Councils do exist in NSW, and they look after things like the
electricity supply, but they are never used in the U.S. fashion.  I
have no experience of the other states.

Doug.



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Re: [LegacyUG] Place Hierarchy

[Ron Ferguson]

Doug,

I am not sure where you got your information from, so here are my comments:

>Legacy requires me to uase the "City, County, State, Country"
>hierarchy, and I am happy to use it if it helps.

It does not "require" you to adopt this format, but if you don't certain 
functions, such as the geolocator will not work properly.

>There are no counties in Australia or New Zealand, and the English
>counties are treated as States, which is fair enough.  So the "county"
>field is always empty for me (except for my wife's U.S. line.)

It is not "fair enough" to treat English counties as states, the two are very 
different. England has counties and does not have states, full stop, period. It 
is, in my view, also incorrect to use ", ," because this will indicate 
something is missing - there isn't! Every country's locations should be written 
as the locals do.

>On the other hand, in the
>U.K. I am told to use current locations, but the county boundaries in
>the database are those before the redistribution.

I haven't a clue where you got that one from, it is defnitely not the case. 
Locations should be written as they were at the applicable time.

Extra commas and spaces can be removed by going to the location list and delete 
them. If you have too many I suggest that you use Find>Search/Replace for the 
Location field.
---
Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk
GOONS #5307

"Doug Laidlaw"  wrote:

>(see above)

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Re: [LegacyUG] Place Hierarchy

[Mike Fry]

On 2012/11/21 12:59, Doug Laidlaw wrote:

> Legacy requires me to uase the "City, County, State, Country"
> hierarchy, and I am happy to use it if it helps.

No it doesn't! That's a fallacy! Ignore the US-centric stuff if you're not
interested in the US. And don't get too hung up on using the Geo Database - that
tries to enforce the US style of naming locations on parts of the world that
don't use it.

Organise your locations according to how _you_ want to use them. You actually
have possible 9 parts to a location; more than enough for any one. Just be
consistent.

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg (g)



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[LegacyUG] Place Hierarchy

[Doug Laidlaw]

Legacy requires me to uase the "City, County, State, Country"
hierarchy, and I am happy to use it if it helps.

There are no counties in Australia or New Zealand, and the English
counties are treated as States, which is fair enough.  So the "county"
field is always empty for me (except for my wife's U.S. line.)

Then Legacy says that a U.S. county I am using wasn't there at the
relevant date, although I can turn that off.  On the other hand, in the
U.K. I am told to use current locations, but the county boundaries in
the database are those before the redistribution.

Ancestry.com says that the county field is obsolete and requires me to
remove the extra comma.  I bought FTM, but it is almost as useless as
the Ancestry.com Web site.  It allows me to merge files, otherwise I
don't use it.

Is there a simple way that I can delete that extra comma?

Doug.



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