[LegacyUG] No Digest option - alternative management of mail

[Wendy Howard]

I've been chatting with Brian about this mailing list (I'm helping him 
and Ken with it at the moment), and suggested I post with this 
information to help anyone struggling with the lack of a digest here, 
and list mail "clogging up" the Inbox.


Whatever mail service you are using, there will be a feature - usually 
called a rule or a filter - that lets you do things to your mail as it 
comes in.  For mailing lists, I like to have that mail taken out of my 
Inbox and 'put away' somewhere so that I can ignore it while I'm busy 
with other things, and can focus on it when I'm ready to read it.  
Here's how...


The filter is going to look for all mail addressed *TO* the mailing 
list.  That's /LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com/ for the LUG, the address 
all list mail is sent to.


For mail programs that use folders, you'll want to set up a folder 
somewhere in your mailbox for "LUG" or "LegacyUG", or whatever name you 
want to give it.  Direct the list mail to that folder.


This will work for any mailing list you subscribe to.  Just alter the 
address used, and what you call the place it goes to to something 
meaningful for that list.


I've taken a screenshot of my own Thunderbird mailbox, which you can see 
here 
 
(links to a Dropbox file, full link below); you'll see I've set up a 
folder for Genealogy under "Local Folders", and under Genealogy I have a 
folder for this mailing list.  And my LUG filter is here 
 
(Dropbox link, full URL below) if you want to see it.


Gmail (on their web site and apps) is a little different, in that it 
uses Labels instead of folders.  They're a little like tags. Tell Gmail 
to apply a label (call it LUG or something useful) and skip the Inbox 
(archive it).  (Set this up in a web browser via the Settings, and 
you'll find it carries through to any Gmail app you use on other 
devices.)  See a screenshot of my LUG label at Gmail here 
 
(another Dropbox link, full URL below) if you're interested.


You may have the option at this point to apply your new filter to 
existing mail.  You may like to do that - it will pick up any old list 
mail that is still in the system.


Now your list mail is in its own folder, and any new mail will go there 
too, waiting for you to read it when you're ready for it, and out of the 
way when you're not.  The posts you haven't yet read will be marked as 
unread, so you can always tell where you're up to.


Check out your service's Help for specific instructions.  If you need 
further help, feel free to write to me _directly_ (ie, to 
wendy.how...@gmail.com, do NOT post to the list!) and tell me what 
program or service you're using, and I'll do my best to assist you.


Hope this helps.  :-)

Wendy

Dropbox link of Thunderbird screenshot:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/o646x2czpz6tamy/Screenshot%202016-02-25%2018.16.02.png?dl=0
Dropbox link of Thunderbird filter: 
https://www.dropbox.com/s/gqw2w5cl1f96okp/Screenshot%202016-02-25%2018.38.49.png?dl=0
Dropbox link of Gmail screenshot: 
https://www.dropbox.com/s/zho3jnlaso3q4tm/Screenshot%202016-02-25%2018.29.11.png?dl=0


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Re: [LegacyUG] Entering a sibling without parents

[marion wimsett]

Brilliant Idea Martha, think I might pinch that one.
Cheers,
Marion

On 25 February 2016 at 10:44, Martha Graham  wrote:

> Good Evening,
> Years ago, I made up a system for folks for whom I had only one name,
> either Given or Surname or no names at all.
> For the women with a given name:: Anna Nomaid
> For the men: John Nolast
> For a male with no names at: Nofirst Nolast
> For a female with no names: Nofirst Nomaid
>
> This works very well, and for reasons that become clear when someone
> swipes my work, it is identified by the unusual way I formatted the
> unknown's in my data.
>
> Martha A Crosley Graham
> Los Osos, CA
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Re: [LegacyUG] Entering a sibling without parents

[Martha Graham]

Good Evening,
Years ago, I made up a system for folks for whom I had only one name, 
either Given or Surname or no names at all.

For the women with a given name:: Anna Nomaid
For the men: John Nolast
For a male with no names at: Nofirst Nolast
For a female with no names: Nofirst Nomaid

This works very well, and for reasons that become clear when someone 
swipes my work, it is identified by the unusual way I formatted the 
unknown's in my data.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Hyphen versus Dash in file names

[Bobby Johnson]

Yep, I have been chipping away at it.  May take a while.  My main objective was 
to let people know that some and maybe all of the extended ascii characters 
will not go through a zip/unzip operation in tact.

Bobby

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Cathy Pinner
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 9:04 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Hyphen versus Dash in file names

 

Bobby,

I was assuming you'd use the File Renamer to replace the dash with the hyphen 
or whichever way it was to re-establish the links.
If you still have the links, yes you need to use the Picture Centre and go one 
by one. 

Cathy

Bobby Johnson wrote:




Cathy,

I don’t believe file renamer is the way to go.  I believe I will need 
to rename the files using Picture Center or have a real mess of 
relinking to do.  The built in relinker will not work  on files that 
have been renamed without using Picture Center.

Bobby



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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Source List

[Don Quigley]

Cathy,

 

A lot of TNG users do attach their media to the events.  But I prefer to attach 
the media to the source because the source can be used for multiple “data 
items” – ie, a census typically has names, relationships, occupations, birth 
date & place, residence, etc.   I want to be able to jump directly to the 
source & media from any of the “data items.”  I do attach photograph to 
photograph events, in addition to the sources for the photos.

 

But – as we all have learned – whatever works best for each of us is the way we 
choose to go.

 

Donald Quigley

Escondido, CA

Quigley Doyle Family Tree  

 

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Cathy Pinner
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 3:41 PM
To: j...@suplick.name; Mailing List for users of Legacy Family Tree software 

Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Source List

 

Also a lumper for most things with Source List Names organised by type. 

Certainly not a Master Source for every household in a census. Does TNG really 
force that if you want to include the image? If it does, I'd be attaching the 
image to the event rather than the source.

No problem finding the Master Source quickly.

I rarely need to edit source detail. When I do, I know what people are involved 
so can find the Source Detail on their Assigned Sources pages. However, it's 
usually the Source Detail Text I need to amend as I've worked out another bit 
of the transcription - and I use Search and Replace to do that.

Then there is Show List for the Master Source to give you a list of people 
using the source.

Cathy

Jean Suplick wrote:




As a lumper, I do something similar to Arnold. I name them based on 
t ype, location, and title. Works for me.

Births-IA-Births and christenings, 1830-1950 (FamilySearch)
Births-MD-Dept. of Health birth certificates
Newspapers-IL-Illinois State Journal (GenealogyBank)
US Federal Census-1850-OH-Carroll Co.

On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Don Quigley  
> wrote:

Curiosity question: How do other Legacy users quickly find a
Master Source for editing or selecting for a citation?

__ __

I have always prefixed my Source List Names with the File ID – ex.
“2423 – 1920 US Census, Parks Bar Twp., Yuba Co., CA – Three Scott
Families” – which is also part of the attached media name – ex.
2423_IMG.jpg (obviously I’m a splitter, not a lumper). That makes
fi nding the source easy, but a list of all source names, sorted
alpha-numerically, looks “helter-skelter.”  When sorted by the
text after the File ID, the source names are better organized and
visually useful in finding typos and inconsistencies in data
entry.  But then it seems much harder to find particular sources
for editing or citation selection.

__ __

I’ve suggested to the Legacy folks that a “search by File ID”
ability would be very useful (and it would solve my problem).  But
until that happens I’m looking for ideas from other users.

__ __

One caveat – I can’t use source details for “primary” source
information and attached media (ie, no lumping) as my TNG website
won’t “see” media attached to source details in a GEDCOM, just the
Detail Information and Text/Comments.

__ __

Donald Quigley

Escondido, CA

Quigley Doyle Family Tree 

 

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Re: [LegacyUG] Hyphen versus Dash in file names

[Cathy Pinner]

Bobby,



I was assuming you'd use the File Renamer to replace the dash with the 
hyphen or whichever way it was to re-establish the links.

If you still have the links, yes you need to use the Picture Centre and 
go one by one. 



Cathy



Bobby Johnson wrote:


Cathy,

I don’t believe file renamer is the way to go.  I believe I will need 
to rename the files using Picture Center or have a real mess of 
relinking to do.  The built in relinker will not work  on files that 
have been renamed without using Picture Center.

Bobby

*From:*LegacyUserGroup 
[mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Cathy 
Pinner
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 24, 2016 6:33 PM
*To:* Mailing List for users of Legacy Family Tree software 

*Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Hyphen versus Dash in file names

Bobby,

An interesting issue.
You can fix it with a file renamer. I use File Renamer Basic free from 
sherrodcomputers.com

Cathy



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Re: [LegacyUG] Entering a sibling without parents

[William Boswell]

I couldn't reply to your attached message so I have to do it here.

When I don't know the parent's names, I just put the child's last name for
the father because this was the only way I could keep the siblings together.
In some cases, I never did find out who the parents were.

You can always go back and fix it when you find the true parents.  The only
problem with this is if you have a lot of the same surname with no first
name then it might get confusing in the list, but that never bothered me
since clicking on the name will show who they belong to.

Bill Boswell

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Re: [LegacyUG] Hyphen versus Dash in file names

[Bobby Johnson]

Cathy, 

I don’t believe file renamer is the way to go.  I believe I will need to rename 
the files using Picture Center or have a real mess of relinking to do.  The 
built in relinker will not work  on files that have been renamed without using 
Picture Center.

Bobby

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Cathy Pinner
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 6:33 PM
To: Mailing List for users of Legacy Family Tree software 

Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Hyphen versus Dash in file names

 

Bobby,

An interesting issue.
You can fix it with a file renamer. I use File Renamer Basic free from 
sherrodcomputers.com

Cathy




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Re: [LegacyUG] Entering a sibling without parents

[Pat Hickin]

I use LNU for last name of unknown males; MNU for last name of unknown
females, FNU for unknown first names.  So I would enter Maria's father as
FNU Schommer and his wife as FNU MNU.  So no problems adding Maria's
siblings.

Pat

On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 8:11 PM, Ed Ladendorf via LegacyUserGroup <
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> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Ed Ladendorf 
> To: Legacy Email 
> Cc:
> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 01:05:46 + (UTC)
> Subject: Entering a sibling without parents
> For a long time, because of several strong indications, I was reasonably
> sure that Susanna Schommer was a sister to my g-grandmother, Maria
> Schommer. Now I finally have proof of that. When I went to enter a sibling
> for Maria, I recieved a message saying that siblings cannot be entered
> without first having a parent.
>
> I have no information whatsoever as to what their parents' names were, so
> in my mind, not entering a sibling would be a sin. She needs to be there so
> someone other than myself could have a shot of finding something I couldn't
> yet find. So I entered a mother with the given name of "Not", and the
> surname of "Known". The sibling was then added successfully. Has anyone
> else had this problem, and if so, how did you handle it?
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Source List

[Linda Greethurst]

I'm an even bigger lumper:

For the source:
Federal Census

And then in the details:
1920 Iowa, Polk County, (and then all the rest of the details)

Linda Greethurst
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Re: [LegacyUG] Entering a sibling without parents

[Norris Taylor]

Is Schommer their maiden name? Or did both marry men named Schommer? If
that is their maiden name, I would give a parent whose last name is
Schommer.

Norris Taylor




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> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 01:05:46 + (UTC)
> Subject: Entering a sibling without parents
> For a long time, because of several strong indications, I was reasonably
> sure that Susanna Schommer was a sister to my g-grandmother, Maria
> Schommer. Now I finally have proof of that. When I went to enter a sibling
> for Maria, I recieved a message saying that siblings cannot be entered
> without first having a parent.
>
> I have no information whatsoever as to what their parents' names were, so
> in my mind, not entering a sibling would be a sin. She needs to be there so
> someone other than myself could have a shot of finding something I couldn't
> yet find. So I entered a mother with the given name of "Not", and the
> surname of "Known". The sibling was then added successfully. Has anyone
> else had this problem, and if so, how did you handle it?
>
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[LegacyUG] Digest Option

[Brian/Support]

The option to have mail sent as a digest has been disabled on the Legacy 
User Group. Those users who had elected to receive digests have been set 
back to the regular mail option where each message is delivered as it is 
sent to the list.


Brian
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Source List

[Pat Hickin]

I periodically do a .pdf of my sources and then search the .pdf -- quick
and easy to find what you're looking for.

Pat

On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 6:40 PM, Cathy Pinner  wrote:

> Also a lumper for most things with Source List Names organised by type.
>
> Certainly not a Master Source for every household in a census. Does TNG
> really force that if you want to include the image? If it does, I'd be
> attaching the image to the event rather than the source.
>
> No problem finding the Master Source quickly.
>
> I rarely need to edit source detail. When I do, I know what people are
> involved so can find the Source Detail on their Assigned Sources pages.
> However, it's usually the Source Detail Text I need to amend as I've worked
> out another bit of the transcription - and I use Search and Replace to do
> that.
>
> Then there is Show List for the Master Source to give you a list of people
> using the source.
>
> Cathy
>
> Jean Suplick wrote:
>
>
> As a lumper, I do something similar to Arnold. I name them based on
> t ype, location, and title. Works for me.
>
> Births-IA-Births and christenings, 1830-1950 (FamilySearch)
> Births-MD-Dept. of Health birth certificates
> Newspapers-IL-Illinois State Journal (GenealogyBank)
> US Federal Census-1850-OH-Carroll Co.
>
> On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Don Quigley  > wrote:
>
> Curiosity question: How do other Legacy users quickly find a
> Master Source for editing or selecting for a citation?
>
> __ __
>
> I have always prefixed my Source List Names with the File ID – ex.
> “2423 – 1920 US Census, Parks Bar Twp., Yuba Co., CA – Three Scott
> Families” – which is also part of the attached media name – ex.
> 2423_IMG.jpg (obviously I’m a splitter, not a lumper). That makes
> fi nding the source easy, but a list of all source names, sorted
> alpha-numerically, looks “helter-skelter.”  When sorted by the
> text after the File ID, the source names are better organized and
> visually useful in finding typos and inconsistencies in data
> entry.  But then it seems much harder to find particular sources
> for editing or citation selection.
>
> __ __
>
> I’ve suggested to the Legacy folks that a “search by File ID”
> ability would be very useful (and it would solve my problem).  But
> until that happens I’m looking for ideas from other users.
>
> __ __
>
> One caveat – I can’t use source details for “primary” source
> information and attached media (ie, no lumping) as my TNG website
> won’t “see” media attached to source details in a GEDCOM, just the
> Detail Information and Text/Comments.
>
> __ __
>
> Donald Quigley
>
> Escondido, CA
>
> Quigley Doyle Family Tree 
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Source List

[Anne Lo Forte Willson]

I think I'm what you call a lumper.  I source from largest location to 
smallest. I've been a little frustrated because the Legacy program wants more 
detailed locations in some cases than the databases warrant. I've altered my 
manner of sourcing to add a lot of the location information in the details 
instead of the Master source.

Anne

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 24, 2016, at 4:40 PM, Cathy Pinner  wrote:
> 
> Also a lumper for most things with Source List Names organised by type. 
> 
> Certainly not a Master Source for every household in a census. Does TNG 
> really force that if you want to include the image? If it does, I'd be 
> attaching the image to the event rather than the source.
> 
> No problem finding the Master Source quickly.
> 
> I rarely need to edit source detail. When I do, I know what people are 
> involved so can find the Source Detail on their Assigned Sources pages. 
> However, it's usually the Source Detail Text I need to amend as I've worked 
> out another bit of the transcription - and I use Search and Replace to do 
> that.
> 
> Then there is Show List for the Master Source to give you a list of people 
> using the source.
> 
> Cathy
> 
> Jean Suplick wrote:
>> 
>> As a lumper, I do something similar to Arnold. I name them based on 
>> t ype, location, and title. Works for me.
>> 
>> Births-IA-Births and christenings, 1830-1950 (FamilySearch)
>> Births-MD-Dept. of Health birth certificates
>> Newspapers-IL-Illinois State Journal (GenealogyBank)
>> US Federal Census-1850-OH-Carroll Co.
>> 
>> On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Don Quigley > > wrote:
>> 
>> Curiosity question: How do other Legacy users quickly find a
>> Master Source for editing or selecting for a citation?
>> 
>> __ __
>> 
>> I have always prefixed my Source List Names with the File ID – ex.
>> “2423 – 1920 US Census, Parks Bar Twp., Yuba Co., CA – Three Scott
>> Families” – which is also part of the attached media name – ex.
>> 2423_IMG.jpg (obviously I’m a splitter, not a lumper). That makes
>> fi nding the source easy, but a list of all source names, sorted
>> alpha-numerically, looks “helter-skelter.”  When sorted by the
>> text after the File ID, the source names are better organized and
>> visually useful in finding typos and inconsistencies in data
>> entry.  But then it seems much harder to find particular sources
>> for editing or citation selection.
>> 
>> __ __
>> 
>> I’ve suggested to the Legacy folks that a “search by File ID”
>> ability would be very useful (and it would solve my problem).  But
>> until that happens I’m looking for ideas from other users.
>> 
>> __ __
>> 
>> One caveat – I can’t use source details for “primary” source
>> information and attached media (ie, no lumping) as my TNG website
>> won’t “see” media attached to source details in a GEDCOM, just the
>> Detail Information and Text/Comments.
>> 
>> __ __
>> 
>> Donald Quigley
>> 
>> Escondido, CA
>> 
>> Quigley Doyle Family Tree 
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[LegacyUG] Entering a sibling without parents

[Ed Ladendorf via LegacyUserGroup]

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For a long time, because of several strong indications, I was reasonably sure 
that Susanna Schommer was a sister to my g-grandmother, Maria Schommer. Now I 
finally have proof of that. When I went to enter a sibling for Maria, I 
recieved a message saying that siblings cannot be entered without first having 
a parent.
I have no information whatsoever as to what their parents' names were, so in my 
mind, not entering a sibling would be a sin. She needs to be there so someone 
other than myself could have a shot of finding something I couldn't yet find. 
So I entered a mother with the given name of "Not", and the surname of "Known". 
The sibling was then added successfully. Has anyone else had this problem, and 
if so, how did you handle it?
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Re: [LegacyUG] How to enter the following.

[Amy]

  
  
You could just put UNKNOWN in as the parents and add David Smith as
the son of the Unknowns.
Not the best way but it will work.


On 2/24/2016 1:24 AM, June wrote:


  
  
  
  
Sorry
to all, I’m not explaining this very well am I.
 
I
have all people EXCEPT David Smith. I can’t work out how to
put him on making him the first cousin of Simon Smith
because I don’t have either David or Simon’s parents.
 
I
know it should be simple – I know what cousins are but it’s
just escaping me. Thanks for your help
 
June
 

  
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following.
  

 
June,
  
  I'm not clear whether you have David Smith and Hannah in your
  database.
  
  When you know the relationship but not the connecting people,
  you can enter placeholder people to hold them together. 
  
  Is Hannah the daughter of John Jones first wife? and you don't
  know her name? Just enter Hannah and link her to her father.
  That will create a new relationship for the father. You'll
  need to order marriages.
  
  As Wendy says, be careful you don't enter someone twice. 
  
  This is a useful Support article if you find you've made some
  linking errors.
  http://support.legacyfamilytree.com/article/AA-00344/14/Tips-and-How-Tos/Tips-on-Fixing-Relationship-Problems.html
  
  Cathy
  
  Wendy Howard wrote:
  
  
  
  
  
  
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Re: [LegacyUG] Hyphen versus Dash in file names

[Cathy Pinner]

Bobby,

An interesting issue.
You can fix it with a file renamer. I use File Renamer Basic free from 
sherrodcomputers.com


Cathy

Linda Hodges wrote:


I always use underscores.

On Feb 24, 2016 1:38 PM, "Bobby Johnson" > wrote:

I have recently been struggling with a problem with media
files. On many occasions I use Dragon NaturallySpeaking to
enter data into legacy. The problem I ran into deals with
file names. As an example:
Census - Bradley County, Tennessee - 1940 - John Doe
is the name of a file I would use. The character between
census and Bradley is a hyphen(ascii 45) as opposed to a
dash(ascii 0150). Using Dragon to dictate this file name, I
would use the word dash which would enter a space before and
after the dash. In doing so everything seemed to work fine
including the file sorting. However, when I backed up the
media files and use the backup file to restore them on
another computer I found many media files missing.

I have discovered that when you zip a file with a dash(ascii
0150) and then unzip the file the dash is returned as a
hyphen. Therefore the file name has changed and LFT cannot
find this media file.

This is a warning for anyone who might for any reason do a
backup with a file name that contains a dash.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Source List

[Cathy Pinner]

Also a lumper for most things with Source List Names organised by type.

Certainly not a Master Source for every household in a census. Does TNG 
really force that if you want to include the image? If it does, I'd be 
attaching the image to the event rather than the source.


No problem finding the Master Source quickly.

I rarely need to edit source detail. When I do, I know what people are 
involved so can find the Source Detail on their Assigned Sources pages. 
However, it's usually the Source Detail Text I need to amend as I've 
worked out another bit of the transcription - and I use Search and 
Replace to do that.


Then there is Show List for the Master Source to give you a list of 
people using the source.


Cathy

Jean Suplick wrote:


As a lumper, I do something similar to Arnold. I name them based on
type, location, and title. Works for me.

Births-IA-Births and christenings, 1830-1950 (FamilySearch)
Births-MD-Dept. of Health birth certificates
Newspapers-IL-Illinois State Journal (GenealogyBank)
US Federal Census-1850-OH-Carroll Co.

On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Don Quigley > wrote:

Curiosity question: How do other Legacy users quickly find a
Master Source for editing or selecting for a citation?

__ __

I have always prefixed my Source List Names with the File ID – ex.
“2423 – 1920 US Census, Parks Bar Twp., Yuba Co., CA – Three Scott
Families” – which is also part of the attached media name – ex.
2423_IMG.jpg (obviously I’m a splitter, not a lumper). That makes
finding the source easy, but a list of all source names, sorted
alpha-numerically, looks “helter-skelter.” When sorted by the
text after the File ID, the source names are better organized and
visually useful in finding typos and inconsistencies in data
entry. But then it seems much harder to find particular sources
for editing or citation selection.

__ __

I’ve suggested to the Legacy folks that a “search by File ID”
ability would be very useful (and it would solve my problem). But
until that happens I’m looking for ideas from other users.

__ __

One caveat – I can’t use source details for “primary” source
information and attached media (ie, no lumping) as my TNG website
won’t “see” media attached to source details in a GEDCOM, just the
Detail Information and Text/Comments.

__ __

Donald Quigley

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Re: [LegacyUG] Hyphen versus Dash in file names

[Michael Griffin]

Thanks Linda, rechecking file names .
Mike

 
  From: Linda Hodges 
 To: Mailing List for users of Legacy Family Tree software 
 
 Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 12:55 PM
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Hyphen versus Dash in file names
   
I always use underscores.On Feb 24, 2016 1:38 PM, "Bobby Johnson" 
 wrote:

I have recently been struggling with a problem with media
files. On many occasions I use Dragon NaturallySpeaking to
enter data into legacy. The problem I ran into deals with
file names. As an example:
Census - Bradley County, Tennessee - 1940 - John Doe
is the name of a file I would use. The character between
census and Bradley is a hyphen(ascii 45) as opposed to a
dash(ascii 0150). Using Dragon to dictate this file name, I
would use the word dash which would enter a space before and
after the dash. In doing so everything seemed to work fine
including the file sorting. However, when I backed up the
media files and use the backup file to restore them on
another computer I found many media files missing.

I have discovered that when you zip a file with a dash(ascii
0150) and then unzip the file the dash is returned as a
hyphen. Therefore the file name has changed and LFT cannot
find this media file.

This is a warning for anyone who might for any reason do a
backup with a file name that contains a dash.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Source List

[Don Quigley]

Arnold,

 

With your system, how do you then quickly find a specific Source Detail for
editing, attaching a revised/new media file, etc.?

 

Donald Quigley

Escondido, CA

  Quigley Doyle Family Tree

 

 

From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On
Behalf Of Arnold Sprague
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 10:51 AM
To: Mailing List for users of Legacy Family Tree software

Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Master Source List

 

Don,
I am an unimaginative LUMPER. Here are some samples:

Book: Bio. - Elizabeth Sprague Coolidge - American Patron of Music
Book: Misc. - Notable American Women - The Modern Period
Cemetery: MN, Ramsey, St. Paul, Resurrection Cemetery
Census/U.S. Federal: 1910
Informant: Milstead, Claudia
Newspaper / U.S. / IL: Chicago Daily Tribune
Place / U.S.A. / MA: Billerica, Vital Records of, to the Year 1850
Surname / Phelps: Phelps Family of Amer & Eng Ancestors

Thus all books, cemeteries, places, surnames, and on, appear
grouped. Lets me do the "quickly find" thing you mention below..
  Arnold Sprague



At 11:32 AM 2/24/2016, you wrote:



Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
 boundary="=_NextPart_000_004F_01D16EEE.99273390"
Content-Language: en-us

Curiosity question: How do other Legacy users quickly find a Master Source
for editing or selecting for a citation?
 
I have always prefixed my Source List Names with the File ID - ex. "2423 -
1920 US Census, Parks Bar Twp., Yuba Co., CA - Three Scott Families" - which
is also part of the attached media name - ex. 2423_IMG.jpg (obviously I'm a
splitter, not a lumper). That makes finding the source easy, but a list of
all source names, sorted alpha-numerically, looks "helter-skelter."  When
sorted by the text after the File ID, the source names are better organized
and visually useful in finding typos and inconsistencies in data entry.  But
then it seems much harder to find particular sources for editing or citation
selection.
 
I've suggested to the Legacy folks that a "search by File ID" ability would
be very useful (and it would solve my problem).  But until that happens I'm
looking for ideas from other users.
 
One caveat - I can't use source details for "primary" source information and
attached media (ie, no lumping) as my TNG website won't "see" media attached
to source details in a GEDCOM, just the Detail Information and
Text/Comments.
 
Donald Quigley
Escondido, CA
Quigley Doyle Family Tree  

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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Source List

[Jean Suplick]

As a lumper, I do something similar to Arnold. I name them based on type,
location, and title. Works for me.

Births-IA-Births and christenings, 1830-1950 (FamilySearch)
Births-MD-Dept. of Health birth certificates
Newspapers-IL-Illinois State Journal (GenealogyBank)
US Federal Census-1850-OH-Carroll Co.

On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Don Quigley  wrote:

> Curiosity question: How do other Legacy users quickly find a Master Source
> for editing or selecting for a citation?
>
>
>
> I have always prefixed my Source List Names with the File ID – ex. “2423 –
> 1920 US Census, Parks Bar Twp., Yuba Co., CA – Three Scott Families” –
> which is also part of the attached media name – ex. 2423_IMG.jpg (obviously
> I’m a splitter, not a lumper). That makes finding the source easy, but a
> list of all source names, sorted alpha-numerically, looks
> “helter-skelter.”  When sorted by the text after the File ID, the source
> names are better organized and visually useful in finding typos and
> inconsistencies in data entry.  But then it seems much harder to find
> particular sources for editing or citation selection.
>
>
>
> I’ve suggested to the Legacy folks that a “search by File ID” ability
> would be very useful (and it would solve my problem).  But until that
> happens I’m looking for ideas from other users.
>
>
>
> One caveat – I can’t use source details for “primary” source information
> and attached media (ie, no lumping) as my TNG website won’t “see” media
> attached to source details in a GEDCOM, just the Detail Information and
> Text/Comments.
>
>
>
> Donald Quigley
>
> Escondido, CA
>
> Quigley Doyle Family Tree 
>
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Source List

[Linda Hodges]

I name my master sources by state, county, then year..   Ohio,
stark, 1920 US census
Ohio, stark, 1865 State Census
Etc...keeps them grouped together by location then by year
On Feb 24, 2016 1:38 PM, "Don Quigley"  wrote:

> Curiosity question: How do other Legacy users quickly find a Master Source
> for editing or selecting for a citation?
>
>
>
> I have always prefixed my Source List Names with the File ID – ex. “2423 –
> 1920 US Census, Parks Bar Twp., Yuba Co., CA – Three Scott Families” –
> which is also part of the attached media name – ex. 2423_IMG.jpg (obviously
> I’m a splitter, not a lumper). That makes finding the source easy, but a
> list of all source names, sorted alpha-numerically, looks
> “helter-skelter.”  When sorted by the text after the File ID, the source
> names are better organized and visually useful in finding typos and
> inconsistencies in data entry.  But then it seems much harder to find
> particular sources for editing or citation selection.
>
>
>
> I’ve suggested to the Legacy folks that a “search by File ID” ability
> would be very useful (and it would solve my problem).  But until that
> happens I’m looking for ideas from other users.
>
>
>
> One caveat – I can’t use source details for “primary” source information
> and attached media (ie, no lumping) as my TNG website won’t “see” media
> attached to source details in a GEDCOM, just the Detail Information and
> Text/Comments.
>
>
>
> Donald Quigley
>
> Escondido, CA
>
> Quigley Doyle Family Tree 
>
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Hyphen versus Dash in file names

[Linda Hodges]

I always use underscores.
On Feb 24, 2016 1:38 PM, "Bobby Johnson"  wrote:

> I have recently been struggling with a problem with media
> files. On many occasions I use Dragon NaturallySpeaking to
> enter data into legacy. The problem I ran into deals with
> file names. As an example:
> Census - Bradley County, Tennessee - 1940 - John Doe
> is the name of a file I would use. The character between
> census and Bradley is a hyphen(ascii 45) as opposed to a
> dash(ascii 0150). Using Dragon to dictate this file name, I
> would use the word dash which would enter a space before and
> after the dash. In doing so everything seemed to work fine
> including the file sorting. However, when I backed up the
> media files and use the backup file to restore them on
> another computer I found many media files missing.
>
> I have discovered that when you zip a file with a dash(ascii
> 0150) and then unzip the file the dash is returned as a
> hyphen. Therefore the file name has changed and LFT cannot
> find this media file.
>
> This is a warning for anyone who might for any reason do a
> backup with a file name that contains a dash.
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Master Source List

[Arnold Sprague]

Don,
I am an
unimaginative LUMPER. Here are some samples:
Book: Bio. - Elizabeth Sprague Coolidge - American Patron of Music
Book: Misc. - Notable American Women - The Modern Period
Cemetery: MN, Ramsey, St. Paul, Resurrection Cemetery
Census/U.S. Federal: 1910
Informant: Milstead, Claudia
Newspaper / U.S. / IL: Chicago Daily Tribune
Place / U.S.A. / MA: Billerica, Vital Records of, to the Year 1850
Surname / Phelps: Phelps Family of Amer & Eng Ancestors
Thus all
books, cemeteries, places, surnames, and on, appear grouped. Lets me do
the "quickly find" thing you mention below..
 
Arnold Sprague

At 11:32 AM 2/24/2016, you wrote:
Content-Type:
multipart/alternative;

boundary="=_NextPart_000_004F_01D16EEE.99273390"
Content-Language: en-us
Curiosity question: How do other Legacy users quickly find a Master
Source for editing or selecting for a citation?
 
I have always prefixed my Source List Names with the File ID – ex. “2423
– 1920 US Census, Parks Bar Twp., Yuba Co., CA – Three Scott Families” –
which is also part of the attached media name – ex. 2423_IMG.jpg
(obviously I’m a splitter, not a lumper). That makes finding the source
easy, but a list of all source names, sorted alpha-numerically, looks
“helter-skelter.”  When sorted by the text after the File ID, the
source names are better organized and visually useful in finding typos
and inconsistencies in data entry.  But then it seems much harder to
find particular sources for editing or citation selection.
 
I’ve suggested to the Legacy folks that a “search by File ID” ability
would be very useful (and it would solve my problem).  But until
that happens I’m looking for ideas from other users.
 
One caveat – I can’t use source details for “primary” source information
and attached media (ie, no lumping) as my TNG website won’t “see” media
attached to source details in a GEDCOM, just the Detail Information and
Text/Comments.
 
Donald Quigley
Escondido, CA
Quigley Doyle Family
Tree



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Re: [LegacyUG] How to enter the following.

[R G Strong-genes]

The best way would be to just add the father's surnames and leave the first 
names and spouses blank or use privacy brackets ie [[this is the father of 
John Smith]]. If you start putting initials in for N.N. no name then it is 
very likely that some one else researching will see that and start looking 
for someone with those initials. I have been there and done that! For the 
life of me I could not find all those people with the surname of UNK who was 
in my database from an import that had been done when I first started out!!
So for unknown information it is best to leave it blank or insert those 
privacy brackets as that is what keeps them private and not published.


To create the cousin, go to John Smith and add father, and enter him with 
just the Surname and then go to him and repeat. You are now at the 
grandfathers screen. You should now see him with no spouse with one mail 
child, now just click in the children list box to add another male child. 
This is where privacy brackets come in handy to separate the first names ie 
[[child1]] and [[child2]] which will pop up a warning that you can tell it 
to ignore. Note this will put an * in the exceptions box near the bottom of 
the screen once you have a name for them don't forget to edit that box to 
correct the exception.
Now navigate down by going to the new child and adding another male child 
for David's father. Go to his father now Add Child and link to existing 
person David. You now have the cousins linked.

Russ

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From: Steve Hayes

Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 4:46 AM
To: Mailing List for users of Legacy Family Tree software
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to enter the following.

On 24 Feb 2016 at 17:24, June wrote:


I have all people EXCEPT David Smith. I canTMt work out how to put him on
making him the first cousin of Simon Smith because I donTMt have either
David or SimonTMs parents.


Then you use placeholders for their parents and grandparents.

Since it seems likely that their fathers, at least, had the surname of 
Smith,
you enter something like N.N. Smith for the father of one, and Mrs N.N. 
Smith

for his wife. And N.M. Smith for the parents of the other, and Mrs N.M./
Smith as his wife. And for the parents of those two smiths you put Grandpa
Smith and Grandma Smith.

And then, voila! David and Simon are cousins.

And when you do find the real names, you substitute them for the placeholder
names.




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[LegacyUG] Hyphen versus Dash in file names

[Bobby Johnson]

I have recently been struggling with a problem with media
files. On many occasions I use Dragon NaturallySpeaking to
enter data into legacy. The problem I ran into deals with
file names. As an example:
Census - Bradley County, Tennessee - 1940 - John Doe
is the name of a file I would use. The character between
census and Bradley is a hyphen(ascii 45) as opposed to a
dash(ascii 0150). Using Dragon to dictate this file name, I
would use the word dash which would enter a space before and
after the dash. In doing so everything seemed to work fine
including the file sorting. However, when I backed up the
media files and use the backup file to restore them on
another computer I found many media files missing.

I have discovered that when you zip a file with a dash(ascii
0150) and then unzip the file the dash is returned as a
hyphen. Therefore the file name has changed and LFT cannot
find this media file.

This is a warning for anyone who might for any reason do a
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[LegacyUG] Master Source List

[Don Quigley]

Curiosity question: How do other Legacy users quickly find a Master Source
for editing or selecting for a citation?

 

I have always prefixed my Source List Names with the File ID - ex. "2423 -
1920 US Census, Parks Bar Twp., Yuba Co., CA - Three Scott Families" - which
is also part of the attached media name - ex. 2423_IMG.jpg (obviously I'm a
splitter, not a lumper). That makes finding the source easy, but a list of
all source names, sorted alpha-numerically, looks "helter-skelter."  When
sorted by the text after the File ID, the source names are better organized
and visually useful in finding typos and inconsistencies in data entry.  But
then it seems much harder to find particular sources for editing or citation
selection.

 

I've suggested to the Legacy folks that a "search by File ID" ability would
be very useful (and it would solve my problem).  But until that happens I'm
looking for ideas from other users.

 

One caveat - I can't use source details for "primary" source information and
attached media (ie, no lumping) as my TNG website won't "see" media attached
to source details in a GEDCOM, just the Detail Information and
Text/Comments.

 

Donald Quigley

Escondido, CA

Quigley Doyle Family Tree  

 

 

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Re: [LegacyUG] How to enter the following.

[MikeFry]

On 24 Feb 2016 9:24 AM, June wrote:


I have all people EXCEPT David Smith. I can’t work out how to put him on making
him the first cousin of Simon Smith because I don’t have either David or Simon’s
parents.


First cousins should have the same grand-parents. Since you don't have the 
parents of either Simon or David, you won't have the grand-parents. Ergo: you 
can not create a first cousin link out of thin air.


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Re: [LegacyUG] How to enter the following.

[Linda Hodges]

So glad to see a legacy question asked and answered
On Feb 24, 2016 3:14 AM, "June"  wrote:

> Thanks to Wendy and Cathy for their help. All sorted now.
>
> Kind regards
>
> June
>
> -Original Message-
> From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On
> Behalf Of Wendy Howard
> Sent: Wednesday, 24 February 2016 2:03 PM
> To: Mailing List for users of Legacy Family Tree software
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to enter the following.
>
> Hi June,
>
> So you've got everyone entered into your database, but you haven't yet
> linked Simon SMITH to his wife Hannah JONES?
>
> With Simon in the spouse area in Family View, right-click in the wife's
> area
> and then click on "Add a wife", and then in the next window that appears,
> click on "Link to an EXISTING person". You'll then see the Name List, where
> you can navigate to Hannah and select her.
>
> Alternatively, you can right-click on Simon and select Add > Wife.
>
> Or, via the menus, click on Add > Add Wife.
>
> Or, via keyboard shortcuts, press AW (for Add Wife).
>
> Whichever route you take, the key is to link to an existing person, instead
> of adding a new person.
>
> Hope this helps.  :-)
>
> Wendy
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] How to enter the following.

[Steve Hayes]

On 24 Feb 2016 at 17:24, June wrote:

> I have all people EXCEPT David Smith. I canTMt work out how to put him on
> making him the first cousin of Simon Smith because I donTMt have either
> David or SimonTMs parents.

Then you use placeholders for their parents and grandparents.

Since it seems likely that their fathers, at least, had the surname of Smith, 
you enter something like N.N. Smith for the father of one, and Mrs N.N. Smith 
for his wife. And N.M. Smith for the parents of the other, and Mrs N.M./ 
Smith as his wife. And for the parents of those two smiths you put Grandpa 
Smith and Grandma Smith. 

And then, voila! David and Simon are cousins. 

And when you do find the real names, you substitute them for the placeholder 
names. 

 


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Re: [LegacyUG] How to enter the following.

[Steve Hayes]

On 24 Feb 2016 at 16:15, June wrote:

> Thanks for the reply Wendy - what I don't have on the data base is David
> Smith (the first cousin of Simon Smith) - I want to enter him so he comes up
> as Simon's first cousin rather than enter him as just a separate person - but
> for the life of me my mind is not working as to how to connect them as cousins
> given that I don't have parents for either.

You can only connect them as cousins by entering their parents and 
grandparents. Then the progam automatically works out the cousin connection. 

If you don't know who the parents of grandparents were, you can either enter 
someone as a "placeholder", or you can wait until you do know the names. But 
you can't ENTER someone as a cousin iof someone else. 


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Re: [LegacyUG] How to enter the following.

[June]

Thanks to Wendy and Cathy for their help. All sorted now.

Kind regards

June

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From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On
Behalf Of Wendy Howard
Sent: Wednesday, 24 February 2016 2:03 PM
To: Mailing List for users of Legacy Family Tree software
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to enter the following.

Hi June,

So you've got everyone entered into your database, but you haven't yet
linked Simon SMITH to his wife Hannah JONES?

With Simon in the spouse area in Family View, right-click in the wife's area
and then click on "Add a wife", and then in the next window that appears,
click on "Link to an EXISTING person". You'll then see the Name List, where
you can navigate to Hannah and select her.

Alternatively, you can right-click on Simon and select Add > Wife.

Or, via the menus, click on Add > Add Wife.

Or, via keyboard shortcuts, press AW (for Add Wife).

Whichever route you take, the key is to link to an existing person, instead
of adding a new person.

Hope this helps.  :-)

Wendy



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