Re: [LegacyUG] Place names sorting

2015-02-21 Thread Tessa Keough
When people ask I always tell them there is no one way of doing anything
(only the best and most intuitive for you). The two key points are (1) know
what the output will look like - how do you want to use your reports,
charts, etc. - and then tweak the input to accomplish it; and (2) be
consistent - when you make a decision, make a note of it and have your
cheatsheet so you know your process or workflow. Finally (and this is the
bonus) we own our programs, they don't own us - make conscious decisions,
test the parameters, and use your program so that it works for you.

Tessa

*Tessa Keough*
*Guild of One-Name Studies, **Keough (Keogh, Kough  Kehoe) Registered ONS*
*Legacy Virtual Users' Group Community on Google+*
*Society for One-Place Studies - Plate Cove East, Newfoundland *

On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 5:42 AM, Cathy Pinner genea...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Jenny,

 That's exactly why I don't use the Address fields except for repositories
 and mailing addresses.

 We each have to decide which standards we will follow and why. If we don't
 follow some accepted standard we need to know what the consequences are. In
 this case one of the consequences is much better output. We still need to
 be consistent.

 Cathy
 ​SNIP​






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RE: [LegacyUG] Place names sorting

2015-02-21 Thread Michele/Support
Excellent, Tessa!



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When people ask I always tell them there is no one way of doing anything (only 
the best and most intuitive for you). The two key points are (1) know what the 
output will look like - how do you want to use your reports, charts, etc. - and 
then tweak the input to accomplish it; and (2) be consistent - when you make a 
decision, make a note of it and have your cheatsheet so you know your process 
or workflow. Finally (and this is the bonus) we own our programs, they don't 
own us - make conscious decisions, test the parameters, and use your program so 
that it works for you.



Tessa





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Re: [LegacyUG] Place names sorting

2015-02-21 Thread Jenny M Benson
On 21/02/2015 01:27, Jay Wilpolt wrote:
 What they were saying is that in the Burial Place field, we should NOT
 put the name of the cemetery, but instead put that in the Burial Place
 address which is the field accessed by the + sign

The reason I do not do that (but put the complete address in the
Location field) is that I don't like the way Locations and Addresses
appear in reports if one enters them separately.

Using the Address field, one gets something like Joe Bloggs was buried
in Barnton, Cheshire, England (Christ Church Churchyard) or even - if
one fills in the complete Address which seems like a sensible thing to
do in some ways) Joe Bloggs was buried in Barnton, Cheshire, England
(Christ Church Churchyard, Barnton, Cheshire, England).

I prefer to see Joe Bloggs was buried in Christ Church Churchyard,
Barnton, Cheshire, England.  I don't have a problem with having
thousands of locations or with sorting them.

--
Jenny M Benson




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Re: [LegacyUG] Place names sorting

2015-02-21 Thread MVMcgrs


Well said  Tessa!

Marie

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In a message dated 2015-02-21 11:16:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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From: Tessa Keough  [mailto:murke...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 10:13  AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re:  [LegacyUG] Place names  sorting


When people ask I always  tell them there is no one way of doing anything
(only the best and most  intuitive for you). The two key points are (1) know
what the output will look  like - how do you want to use your reports,
charts, etc. - and then tweak the  input to accomplish it; and (2) be consistent
- when you make a decision, make  a note of it and have your cheatsheet so
you know your process or workflow.  Finally (and this is the bonus) we own
our programs, they don't own us - make  conscious decisions, test the
parameters, and use your program so that it  works for you.



Tessa




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Re: [LegacyUG] Place names sorting

2015-02-21 Thread Cathy Pinner
Hi Jenny,

That's exactly why I don't use the Address fields except for
repositories and mailing addresses.

We each have to decide which standards we will follow and why. If we
don't follow some accepted standard we need to know what the
consequences are. In this case one of the consequences is much better
output. We still need to be consistent.

Cathy

Jenny M Benson wrote:

 On 21/02/2015 01:27, Jay Wilpolt wrote:

 What they were saying is that in the Burial Place field, we should NOT
 put the name of the cemetery, but instead put that in the Burial Place
 address which is the field accessed by the + sign


 The reason I do not do that (but put the complete address in the
 Location field) is that I don't like the way Locations and Addresses
 appear in reports if one enters them separately.

 Using the Address field, one gets something like Joe Bloggs was buried
 in Barnton, Cheshire, England (Christ Church Churchyard) or even - if
 one fills in the complete Address which seems like a sensible thing to
 do in some ways) Joe Bloggs was buried in Barnton, Cheshire, England
 (Christ Church Churchyard, Barnton, Cheshire, England).

 I prefer to see Joe Bloggs was buried in Christ Church Churchyard,
 Barnton, Cheshire, England. I don't have a problem with having
 thousands of locations or with sorting them.




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Re: [LegacyUG] Place names sorting

2015-02-20 Thread Jay Wilpolt
You are asking for a Genealogy program to perform the function of a Data
Manipulation program.

To get the results you desire, export the data to csv and then use a data
spreadsheet type program to manipulate your data.



On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 10:47 PM, kaytt ka...@sasktel.net wrote:

 I have been using Legacy since Version 2 and I'm still struggling with
 finding a way to enter place names to show everything I want in a written
 report but have them sort properly in the list.
 My problem is that sometimes I have only 3 names with separating comas and
 sometimes 5.  If I do a reverse sort: Country, State, County, City it's a
 mess.
 For example--
 3 places separated by comas:
   Kirk Maughold Cemetery, Maughold, Isle of Man  (Isle of man is it's own
 country and not part of England as the Manx are quick to point out).
 sorts to -
 , Isle of Man, Maughold, Kirk Maughold

 5 places separated by comas:
  Elmwood Cemetery, Kansas City, Jackson County, Missouri, USA.
 sorts to:
 Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, Elmwood Cemetery, USA

 Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada sorts to:
 , Canada, Saskatchewan, Regina.
 Most provinces in Canada do not have counties so almost everything is 3
 places unless a cemetery is added to take up the 4th space.

 Any suggestions or creative ideas would be most welcome.  My biggest
 concern
 is the sorting.  If I want to make a list of people buried in various
 cemeteries in Kansas City, MO, I'd like to find them grouped together in
 the
 sort list rather than have to scroll through and try picking them out.
 USA, Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, cemetery A
 USA, Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, cemetery B
 USA, Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, cemetery C


 I hope I've explained this in a clear manner.

 Thanks,
 Kathy





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Re: [LegacyUG] Place names sorting

2015-02-20 Thread Jay Wilpolt
I should add here my own idea that I hope might someday be implemented to
resolve many place name issues.

First, lets break down the place field into the individual components.
A field for Country
a field for State
a field for County
a field for Name

Then lets add another set of fields to help us manage places that are not
municipalities.
probably 3 fields would suffice for most any applications

Field 1 might contain  a name like ; St. Mary's Catholic Church
field 2 might contain the address  : 123 Main Street
Field 3 might contain a place type  maybe 1 for cemetery, 2 for church, 3
for hospital, 4 for residence.

When exporting data to a gedcom, we would mash all the 5 fields (but not
the type)
St. Marys Catholic Church, 123 Main st., Chicago, Cook, Illinois, USA

Importing data might be more difficult, but we know we can take countries
and states and match to the known possibilities.

We could also then set user defaults for which fields are displayed.

Hopefully, eventually Legacy will implement something like this to help us
all manage our places better.

Thanks

Jay






On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 10:47 PM, kaytt ka...@sasktel.net wrote:

 I have been using Legacy since Version 2 and I'm still struggling with
 finding a way to enter place names to show everything I want in a written
 report but have them sort properly in the list.
 My problem is that sometimes I have only 3 names with separating comas and
 sometimes 5.  If I do a reverse sort: Country, State, County, City it's a
 mess.
 For example--
 3 places separated by comas:
   Kirk Maughold Cemetery, Maughold, Isle of Man  (Isle of man is it's own
 country and not part of England as the Manx are quick to point out).
 sorts to -
 , Isle of Man, Maughold, Kirk Maughold

 5 places separated by comas:
  Elmwood Cemetery, Kansas City, Jackson County, Missouri, USA.
 sorts to:
 Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, Elmwood Cemetery, USA

 Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada sorts to:
 , Canada, Saskatchewan, Regina.
 Most provinces in Canada do not have counties so almost everything is 3
 places unless a cemetery is added to take up the 4th space.

 Any suggestions or creative ideas would be most welcome.  My biggest
 concern
 is the sorting.  If I want to make a list of people buried in various
 cemeteries in Kansas City, MO, I'd like to find them grouped together in
 the
 sort list rather than have to scroll through and try picking them out.
 USA, Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, cemetery A
 USA, Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, cemetery B
 USA, Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, cemetery C


 I hope I've explained this in a clear manner.

 Thanks,
 Kathy





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Re: [LegacyUG] Place names sorting

2015-02-20 Thread Cathy Pinner
Hi Kathy,

Your problem is that you are choosing the wrong sorting option.
Unless you strictly enter locations in the town, county, state,
country format which appears to suit most of the USA but doesn't suit
most of my locations, then you need to use the Right to Left sort. Then
so long as you enter your information consistently from smallest unit to
largest unit/country, then the bits will sort together.

I include streets etc in my locations and by sorting right to left every
location in a particular town comes together.
Then the relevant items can all be highlighted by clicking on the first
in the list and holding down shift when you click on the last. Then use
the Options button and Show List to get everyone associated with that
location.
I did it this morning to get a list of everyone in my file associated
with Wiltshire as there are new Wiltshire records available at FindMyPast.

Once you've chosen a Right to Left sort, then you can change the
direction of the locations in the list just by ticking or unticking the
Sort checkbox. You don't have to click the Sort button ever again.
However, while you are there, before you choose right to left you might
want to choose Generic terms instead of USA terms.

Cathy


kaytt wrote:

 I have been using Legacy since Version 2 and I'm still struggling with
 finding a way to enter place names to show everything I want in a written
 report but have them sort properly in the list.
 My problem is that sometimes I have only 3 names with separating comas and
 sometimes 5. If I do a reverse sort: Country, State, County, City it's a
 mess.
 For example--
 3 places separated by comas:
 Kirk Maughold Cemetery, Maughold, Isle of Man (Isle of man is it's own
 country and not part of England as the Manx are quick to point out).
 sorts to -
 , Isle of Man, Maughold, Kirk Maughold

 5 places separated by comas:
 Elmwood Cemetery, Kansas City, Jackson County, Missouri, USA.
 sorts to:
 Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, Elmwood Cemetery, USA

 Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada sorts to:
 , Canada, Saskatchewan, Regina.
 Most provinces in Canada do not have counties so almost everything is 3
 places unless a cemetery is added to take up the 4th space.

 Any suggestions or creative ideas would be most welcome. My biggest
 concern
 is the sorting. If I want to make a list of people buried in various
 cemeteries in Kansas City, MO, I'd like to find them grouped together
 in the
 sort list rather than have to scroll through and try picking them out.
 USA, Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, cemetery A
 USA, Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, cemetery B
 USA, Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, cemetery C


 I hope I've explained this in a clear manner.

 Thanks,
 Kathy




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Re: [LegacyUG] Place names sorting

2015-02-20 Thread ronfergy . aul
Jay, maybe OK for the States, but no good fir many other countries.

Ron Ferguson


Jay Wilpolt jaywilp...@aol.com wrote:

I should add here my own idea that I hope might someday be implemented to
resolve many place name issues.

First, lets break down the place field into the individual components.
A field for Country
a field for State
a field for County
a field for Name

Then lets add another set of fields to help us manage places that are not
municipalities.
probably 3 fields would suffice for most any applications

Field 1 might contain  a name like ; St. Mary's Catholic Church
field 2 might contain the address  : 123 Main Street
Field 3 might contain a place type  maybe 1 for cemetery, 2 for church, 3
for hospital, 4 for residence.

When exporting data to a gedcom, we would mash all the 5 fields (but not
the type)
St. Marys Catholic Church, 123 Main st., Chicago, Cook, Illinois, USA

Importing data might be more difficult, but we know we can take countries
and states and match to the known possibilities.

We could also then set user defaults for which fields are displayed.

Hopefully, eventually Legacy will implement something like this to help us
all manage our places better.

Thanks

Jay






On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 10:47 PM, kaytt ka...@sasktel.net wrote:

 I have been using Legacy since Version 2 and I'm still struggling with
 finding a way to enter place names to show everything I want in a written
 report but have them sort properly in the list.
 My problem is that sometimes I have only 3 names with separating comas and
 sometimes 5.  If I do a reverse sort: Country, State, County, City it's a
 mess.
 For example--
 3 places separated by comas:
   Kirk Maughold Cemetery, Maughold, Isle of Man  (Isle of man is it's own
 country and not part of England as the Manx are quick to point out).
 sorts to -
 , Isle of Man, Maughold, Kirk Maughold

 5 places separated by comas:
  Elmwood Cemetery, Kansas City, Jackson County, Missouri, USA.
 sorts to:
 Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, Elmwood Cemetery, USA

 Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada sorts to:
 , Canada, Saskatchewan, Regina.
 Most provinces in Canada do not have counties so almost everything is 3
 places unless a cemetery is added to take up the 4th space.

 Any suggestions or creative ideas would be most welcome.  My biggest
 concern
 is the sorting.  If I want to make a list of people buried in various
 cemeteries in Kansas City, MO, I'd like to find them grouped together in
 the
 sort list rather than have to scroll through and try picking them out.
 USA, Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, cemetery A
 USA, Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, cemetery B
 USA, Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, cemetery C


 I hope I've explained this in a clear manner.

 Thanks,
 Kathy





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RE: [LegacyUG] Place names sorting

2015-02-20 Thread Michele/Support
As long as you are consistent with how many fields you use for each country 
your Master Location List will sort the countries together properly.  For 
example, I use 4 fields for US, I use 3 for Germany, I use 4 for Poland and I 
use 6 for France.   I have no problem with sorting.  Where you run into 
problems is when you are not consistent within a country.



Also, addresses and names of building do not belong in the location field.  
These belong in the address field.





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Re: [LegacyUG] Place names sorting

2015-02-20 Thread Cathy Pinner
So long as you are consistent and always end with the country, there
isn't a problem. Just sort right to left and the places come together
whether or not you want who lived in a particular town or county or
country (or street)

Michelle says addresses don't belong in the location. However. I've
always put the address in the location and it works fine for me and many
others. I don't like the way addresses report and you either enter
incomplete addresses or get a repetition when you use the address field.
I think there are other problems as well. Also I know addresses can now
be mapped in Legacy 8 but I could map mine in Legacy 7.

Jay, you can do that now if you want to use the 7 of the available 9 fields.

Cathy

ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote:

 Jay, maybe OK for the States, but no good fir many other countries.

 Ron Ferguson


 Jay Wilpolt jaywilp...@aol.com wrote:

 I should add here my own idea that I hope might someday be
 implemented to resolve many place name issues.

 First, lets break down the place field into the individual components.
 A field for Country
 a field for State
 a field for County
 a field for Name

 Then lets add another set of fields to help us manage places that are
 not municipalities.
 probably 3 fields would suffice for most any applications

 Field 1 might contain a name like ; St. Mary's Catholic Church
 field 2 might contain the address : 123 Main Street
 Field 3 might contain a place type maybe 1 for cemetery, 2 for
 church, 3 for hospital, 4 for residence.

 When exporting data to a gedcom, we would mash all the 5 fields (but
 not the type)
 St. Marys Catholic Church, 123 Main st., Chicago, Cook, Illinois, USA

 Importing data might be more difficult, but we know we can take
 countries and states and match to the known possibilities.

 We could also then set user defaults for which fields are displayed.

 Hopefully, eventually Legacy will implement something like this to
 help us all manage our places better.

 Thanks

 Jay






 On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 10:47 PM, kaytt ka...@sasktel.net
 mailto:ka...@sasktel.net wrote:

 I have been using Legacy since Version 2 and I'm still struggling with
 finding a way to enter place names to show everything I want in a
 written
 report but have them sort properly in the list.
 My problem is that sometimes I have only 3 names with separating
 comas and
 sometimes 5. If I do a reverse sort: Country, State, County, City
 it's a
 mess.
 For example--
 3 places separated by comas:
 Kirk Maughold Cemetery, Maughold, Isle of Man (Isle of man is
 it's own
 country and not part of England as the Manx are quick to point out).
 sorts to -
 , Isle of Man, Maughold, Kirk Maughold

 5 places separated by comas:
 Elmwood Cemetery, Kansas City, Jackson County, Missouri, USA.
 sorts to:
 Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, Elmwood Cemetery, USA

 Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada sorts to:
 , Canada, Saskatchewan, Regina.
 Most provinces in Canada do not have counties so almost everything
 is 3
 places unless a cemetery is added to take up the 4th space.

 Any suggestions or creative ideas would be most welcome. My
 biggest concern
 is the sorting. If I want to make a list of people buried in various
 cemeteries in Kansas City, MO, I'd like to find them grouped
 together in the
 sort list rather than have to scroll through and try picking them out.
 USA, Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, cemetery A
 USA, Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, cemetery B
 USA, Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, cemetery C


 I hope I've explained this in a clear manner.

 Thanks,
 Kathy





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Re: [LegacyUG] Place names sorting

2015-02-20 Thread Jay Wilpolt
The problem is the address function Does NOT give you one cemetery
addresses with everyone attached to it, it created one address record for
EVERY burial,
I dont want 1200 st. Mary Cemetery address records

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Michele/Support 
mich...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote:

 Jay,
 What is the problem with having one cemetery entry and 1200 burials
 attached to it?  The cemetery/address would show up for every person and
 you could easily see who all is attached by simply doing a “Show List”

 The problem you will run into is when you share your information with
 other genealogists. The standard is locations go in location fields so if
 you send someone a piece of your file they will have a lot of cleanup to
 do.  If you sync to FamilySearch you will get a “non standard” location
 warning message.

 I can give you a third option (and this is the one I use).  I create a
 cemetery event.  I like this option because I can add notes, transcription,
 photographs etc.  If I really wanted to I could put the address in the
 description field along with the cemetery name but I don’t do that.
 Instead, the address (or directions) are in the source citation.


 Coal Town Cemetery (Lamar County, Mississippi; intersection of Coal Town
 Road and White Oak Road), Docia Leora Simmons and William Houston Simmons
 double marker, personally read, 2001.

 Westover Memorial Park (Richmond County, Georgia; 2601 Wheeler Road),
 Pamela Arlene Storey marker, personally read, 2002.




 Michele
 Technical Support
 mich...@legacyfamilytree.com
 www.legacyfamilytree.com

 From: Jay Wilpolt [mailto:jaywilp...@aol.com]
 Sent: Friday, February 20, 2015 5:03 PM
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Place names  sorting

 Michelle,
 re: addresses and names of building do not belong in the location field.
 These belong in the address field.
 I disagree that Legacy LOGICALLY handles addresses and places in the
 ADDRESS field
 The best example I can give is a cemetery.
 If you added the cemetery name in the Burial address field for each person
 that was buried there,  you would have an address record for each burial,
 instead of just ONE St. Mary's cemetery with  1200 records attached to the
 address.






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Re: [LegacyUG] Place names sorting

2015-02-20 Thread Jay Wilpolt
Ron,

can you explain why?
the names for the 4 main municipality location fields are just labels
and could be adjusted as needed.
Maybe they could be
City,
Parish,
County,
Country

Or even just
City, state, Country and have one field disabled

There are many ways that these could be adjusted so that globally we are
better off that the one field we have now.

But since I am not familiar with the place name location needs of other
countries, it would help if you explain what you do need.

Thanks

Jay


On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 6:10 AM, ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote:

 Jay, maybe OK for the States, but no good fir many other countries.

 Ron Ferguson


 Jay Wilpolt jaywilp...@aol.com wrote:

 I should add here my own idea that I hope might someday be implemented
 to resolve many place name issues.

 First, lets break down the place field into the individual components.
 A field for Country
 a field for State
 a field for County
 a field for Name

 Then lets add another set of fields to help us manage places that are not
 municipalities.
 probably 3 fields would suffice for most any applications

 Field 1 might contain  a name like ; St. Mary's Catholic Church
 field 2 might contain the address  : 123 Main Street
 Field 3 might contain a place type  maybe 1 for cemetery, 2 for church,
 3 for hospital, 4 for residence.

 When exporting data to a gedcom, we would mash all the 5 fields (but not
 the type)
 St. Marys Catholic Church, 123 Main st., Chicago, Cook, Illinois, USA

 Importing data might be more difficult, but we know we can take countries
 and states and match to the known possibilities.

 We could also then set user defaults for which fields are displayed.

 Hopefully, eventually Legacy will implement something like this to help us
 all manage our places better.

 Thanks

 Jay






 On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 10:47 PM, kaytt ka...@sasktel.net wrote:

 I have been using Legacy since Version 2 and I'm still struggling with
 finding a way to enter place names to show everything I want in a written
 report but have them sort properly in the list.
 My problem is that sometimes I have only 3 names with separating comas and
 sometimes 5.  If I do a reverse sort: Country, State, County, City it's a
 mess.
 For example--
 3 places separated by comas:
   Kirk Maughold Cemetery, Maughold, Isle of Man  (Isle of man is it's own
 country and not part of England as the Manx are quick to point out).
 sorts to -
 , Isle of Man, Maughold, Kirk Maughold

 5 places separated by comas:
  Elmwood Cemetery, Kansas City, Jackson County, Missouri, USA.
 sorts to:
 Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, Elmwood Cemetery, USA

 Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada sorts to:
 , Canada, Saskatchewan, Regina.
 Most provinces in Canada do not have counties so almost everything is 3
 places unless a cemetery is added to take up the 4th space.

 Any suggestions or creative ideas would be most welcome.  My biggest
 concern
 is the sorting.  If I want to make a list of people buried in various
 cemeteries in Kansas City, MO, I'd like to find them grouped together in
 the
 sort list rather than have to scroll through and try picking them out.
 USA, Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, cemetery A
 USA, Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, cemetery B
 USA, Missouri, Jackson County, Kansas City, cemetery C


 I hope I've explained this in a clear manner.

 Thanks,
 Kathy





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Re: [LegacyUG] Place names sorting

2015-02-20 Thread Jay Wilpolt
Michelle,

re: addresses and names of building do not belong in the location field.
These belong in the address field.

I disagree that Legacy LOGICALLY handles addresses and places in the
ADDRESS field

The best example I can give is a cemetery.

If you added the cemetery name in the Burial address field for each person
that was buried there,  you would have an address record for each burial,
instead of just ONE St. Mary's cemetery with  1200 records attached to the
address.






On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 6:43 AM, Michele/Support 
mich...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote:

 As long as you are consistent with how many fields you use for each
 country your Master Location List will sort the countries together
 properly.  For example, I use 4 fields for US, I use 3 for Germany, I use 4
 for Poland and I use 6 for France.   I have no problem with sorting.  Where
 you run into problems is when you are not consistent within a country.



 Also, addresses and names of building do not belong in the location
 field.  These belong in the address field.





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Re: [LegacyUG] Place names sorting

2015-02-20 Thread Jay Wilpolt
Gene,


Yes, My senior moment has caught up with me,
as one of the discussions (in a different thread) was about having
different Long/lat for each stone within a cemetery
and that Legacy has no way to handle that
as it either creates a new record (if some field differs)
or overwrites the previous Long/Lat that was stored for that exact same
place name)


Thanks

Jay.




On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Gene Young n2...@cfl.rr.com wrote:

 On 2/20/2015 8:27 PM, Jay Wilpolt wrote:
  Gene,
 
  This is an oft mis understood area.
 
  What they were saying is that in the Burial Place field, we should NOT
 put the name of the cemetery, but instead put that in the Burial Place
 address which is the field accessed by the + sign
 
 


 That is correct and is exactly what I do.  I have one for each cemetery
 with no duplicates regardless of how many individuals I have connected to
 it.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Place names sorting

2015-02-20 Thread Gene Young
On 2/20/2015 6:35 PM, Jay Wilpolt wrote:
 The problem is the address function Does NOT give you one cemetery addresses 
 with everyone attached to it, it created one address record for EVERY burial,
 I dont want 1200 st. Mary Cemetery address records


If this is the result you are getting you are doing something wrong.  I create 
one address location for each cemetery.  I then attach the appropriate 
individuals to the correct cemetery.  I have hundreds attached to a single 
cemetery and still have only ONE address location for the cemetery.  It sounds 
like you are creating a new cemetery every time instead of attaching the new 
person to the existing location.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Place names sorting

2015-02-20 Thread Jay Wilpolt
Gene,

This is an oft mis understood area.

What they were saying is that in the Burial Place field, we should NOT put
the name of the cemetery, but instead put that in the Burial Place
address which is the field accessed by the + sign



On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Gene Young n2...@cfl.rr.com wrote:

 On 2/20/2015 6:35 PM, Jay Wilpolt wrote:
  The problem is the address function Does NOT give you one cemetery
 addresses with everyone attached to it, it created one address record for
 EVERY burial,
  I dont want 1200 st. Mary Cemetery address records
 
 
 If this is the result you are getting you are doing something wrong.  I
 create one address location for each cemetery.  I then attach the
 appropriate individuals to the correct cemetery.  I have hundreds attached
 to a single cemetery and still have only ONE address location for the
 cemetery.  It sounds like you are creating a new cemetery every time
 instead of attaching the new person to the existing location.

 --

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Re: [LegacyUG] Place names sorting

2015-02-20 Thread Gene Young
On 2/20/2015 8:27 PM, Jay Wilpolt wrote:
 Gene,

 This is an oft mis understood area.

 What they were saying is that in the Burial Place field, we should NOT put 
 the name of the cemetery, but instead put that in the Burial Place address 
 which is the field accessed by the + sign




That is correct and is exactly what I do.  I have one for each cemetery with no 
duplicates regardless of how many individuals I have connected to it.


--

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RE: [LegacyUG] Place names sorting

2015-02-20 Thread Bobby Johnson
Does Geo Location work with all of your countries when you use this scheme?



Bobby



From: Michele/Support [mailto:mich...@legacyfamilytree.com]
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2015 9:44 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Place names  sorting



As long as you are consistent with how many fields you use for each country 
your Master Location List will sort the countries together properly.  For 
example, I use 4 fields for US, I use 3 for Germany, I use 4 for Poland and I 
use 6 for France.   I have no problem with sorting.  Where you run into 
problems is when you are not consistent within a country.



Also, addresses and names of building do not belong in the location field.  
These belong in the address field.





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RE: [LegacyUG] Place names sorting

2015-02-20 Thread Michele/Support
Yup.  For example, in the Geo German location are like this…



Leverkusen, , Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany



After I have selected the location I remove the extra comma in the Core+ field 
and then click Select.  My location is formatted like I want and it has the 
correct map location.



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From: Bobby Johnson [mailto:b...@brmemc.net]
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2015 11:05 AM
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Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Place names  sorting



Does Geo Location work with all of your countries when you use this scheme?



Bobby





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RE: [LegacyUG] Place names sorting

2015-02-20 Thread Bobby Johnson
Great!!  Maybe you should record this procedure in the “Tips and Tricks” Legacy 
web page.



Bobby



From: Michele/Support [mailto:mich...@legacyfamilytree.com]
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2015 11:47 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Place names  sorting



Yup.  For example, in the Geo German location are like this…



Leverkusen, , Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany



After I have selected the location I remove the extra comma in the Core+ field 
and then click Select.  My location is formatted like I want and it has the 
correct map location.



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RE: [LegacyUG] Place names sorting

2015-02-20 Thread Jim Terry/Support
Bobby,

The extra commas inserted by the Geo Location DB into places in the Master 
Location List can be removed from reports and charts. Click the Report Options 
button (has a pencil, ruler and triangle) and select the Format tab.  See 
Locations and the use of Commas at 
http://support.legacyfamilytree.com/article/AA-00968 and Geo Location Database 
Quick Guide at http://support.legacyfamilytree.com/article/AA-00953.

Thanks,

Jim
Legacy Support



 Original Message 
 From: Bobby Johnson b...@brmemc.net
 Sent: Friday, February 20, 2015 8:59 AM
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Place names  sorting

 Great!!  Maybe you should record this procedure in the Tips and Tricks 
 Legacy web page.



 Bobby



 From: Michele/Support [mailto:mich...@legacyfamilytree.com]
 Sent: Friday, February 20, 2015 11:47 AM
 To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Place names  sorting



 Yup.  For example, in the Geo German location are like this.



 Leverkusen, , Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany



 After I have selected the location I remove the extra comma in the Core+ 
 field and then click Select.  My location is formatted like I want and it has 
 the correct map location.



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RE: [LegacyUG] Place names sorting

2015-02-20 Thread Michele/Support
Jay,
What is the problem with having one cemetery entry and 1200 burials attached to 
it?  The cemetery/address would show up for every person and you could easily 
see who all is attached by simply doing a “Show List”

The problem you will run into is when you share your information with other 
genealogists. The standard is locations go in location fields so if you send 
someone a piece of your file they will have a lot of cleanup to do.  If you 
sync to FamilySearch you will get a “non standard” location warning message.

I can give you a third option (and this is the one I use).  I create a cemetery 
event.  I like this option because I can add notes, transcription, photographs 
etc.  If I really wanted to I could put the address in the description field 
along with the cemetery name but I don’t do that.  Instead, the address (or 
directions) are in the source citation.


Coal Town Cemetery (Lamar County, Mississippi; intersection of Coal Town Road 
and White Oak Road), Docia Leora Simmons and William Houston Simmons double 
marker, personally read, 2001.

Westover Memorial Park (Richmond County, Georgia; 2601 Wheeler Road), Pamela 
Arlene Storey marker, personally read, 2002.




Michele
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From: Jay Wilpolt [mailto:jaywilp...@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2015 5:03 PM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Place names  sorting

Michelle,
re: addresses and names of building do not belong in the location field.  These 
belong in the address field.
I disagree that Legacy LOGICALLY handles addresses and places in the ADDRESS 
field
The best example I can give is a cemetery.
If you added the cemetery name in the Burial address field for each person that 
was buried there,  you would have an address record for each burial,
instead of just ONE St. Mary's cemetery with  1200 records attached to the 
address.






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Re: [LegacyUG] Place names sorting

2015-02-20 Thread kaytt
Thank you everyone for your ideas.  Sorting right to left works for the results 
I was after.




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