Re: RFC: Create a new-rendering-tools branch

2007-02-24 Thread M.Canales.es
El Sábado, 24 de Febrero de 2007 05:20, Bruce Dubbs escribió:
 Dan Nicholson wrote:
  Is this still going to happen. Manuel is obviously going to drive any
  changes, but I think any branches have to be created by Matthew or
  Bruce.

 Actually, anyone with commit privs can create a tag or branch.  It's
 just a svn command away.

Right, I'm waiting the DocBook-XSL-1.72.1 release (just few minutes ago was 
committed another bug fix into the extensions/ subdirectory)

What we should do as soon is possible is to update the sources to 
DocBook-XML-4.5 DTD, but that depend on having the package installed at least 
on quantum, and anduin.

Bruce, some timeline about that?

Also BLFS should close #2241 to allow editors to install the new DTD on their 
hosts.
 

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Re: Various issues with the book

2007-02-24 Thread M.Canales.es
El Sábado, 24 de Febrero de 2007 05:49, Dan Nicholson escribió:


 Manuel, since you're all set up to do the ICA builds with jhalfs,
 could you remove m4 from Ch. 5 and see if anything happens?

I'm doing the ICA/farce build now. 

A previous sucessful build with all final system testsuites enabled show that 
the removal of M4 from chapter05 don't afect the testsuites.

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Re: Testing required: SVN build segfaults on stripping chapter6

2007-02-24 Thread M.Canales.es
El Sábado, 24 de Febrero de 2007 00:36, Bruce Dubbs escribió:

 Manuel,
   I've only been following this casually.  What was different about the
 chroot command that would cause a segfault?

The first issue was that chapter06/115-strippingagain script was using 
#!/bin/bash as the shabang, thus after stripping libreadline and/or 
libhistory the subshell hangs, leading to a make: Error 126

That has been fixed changing that script shabang to #!/tools/bin/bash

The second issue, not fixed yet, is that when resuming a failed chroot build 
after installing Chapte06 Bash, $LFS/bin/bash exist and is the final bash 
binary (not the link to /tools/bin/bash created at the begining of the 
chapter), thus make mk_CHROOT will use $LFS/bin/bash as the $SHELL instead 
using  /tools/bin/bash (like does on a clean build), segfaulting when running 
the strip command.

To fix that we need to force the mk_CHROOT target to allways 
use /tools/bin/bash as their $SHELL, but withiut messing the shell used by 
sub-make process launched by build scripts :-/

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Re: Various issues with the book

2007-02-24 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
M.Canales.es wrote:

 A previous sucessful build with all final system testsuites enabled show that 
 the removal of M4 from chapter05 don't afect the testsuites.

Thanks. Could you please patch your local copy of the book and determine via 
jhalfs whether it is still usable with HJL binutils, if one doesn't drop m4? 
If not, then I really see no reason to keep it.

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Re: Testing required: SVN build segfaults on stripping chapter6

2007-02-24 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
M.Canales.es wrote:
 El Viernes, 23 de Febrero de 2007 20:26, M.Canales.es escribió:
 
 That should corfim that the issue is in jhalfs, not related with the book
 or the GCC/Glibc planned updates.
 
 And fixed.
 
 After knowing what was causing the segfault in both a full build and later in 
 my partial build tests, the fix was terribly obvious :-/
 

Does this mean that LFS LiveCD 6.3-pre2 has to use jhalfs from SVN trunk?

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Re: Testing required: SVN build segfaults on stripping chapter6

2007-02-24 Thread M.Canales.es
El Sábado, 24 de Febrero de 2007 13:02, Alexander E. Patrakov escribió:



 Does this mean that LFS LiveCD 6.3-pre2 has to use jhalfs from SVN trunk?


We want to release jhalfs-2.2 in a week or so.

Plus that fixes it will have also other fixes for CLFSx books and add support 
for BLFS-6.2.

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Re: Various issues with the book

2007-02-24 Thread M.Canales.es
El Sábado, 24 de Febrero de 2007 12:58, Alexander E. Patrakov escribió:

 Thanks. Could you please patch your local copy of the book and determine
 via jhalfs whether it is still usable with HJL binutils, if one doesn't
 drop m4? If not, then I really see no reason to keep it.

What's the download URL for current  HJL binutils?

I will try it after finished the current ICA/farce build.

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Re: Various issues with the book

2007-02-24 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
M.Canales.es wrote:

 What's the download URL for current  HJL binutils?

http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/devel/binutils/binutils-2.17.50.0.12.tar.bz2

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Re: Various issues with the book

2007-02-24 Thread Bryan Kadzban
Dan Nicholson wrote:
 On 2/20/07, Dan Nicholson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 2/19/07, Chris Staub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 1. Perhaps it should be made somewhat clearer that the
 Linux-Headers installation comes from the kernel tarball. More
 than one user has come into the IRC chat asking if it was the
 CLFS Linux-Headers package.
 
 No kidding. I don't know what else can be said, though. The Ch. 5
 page says This is done by way of sanitizing various C header files
 that are shipped in the Linux kernel source tarball.
 
 I'd think the only reason to specify the mechanism would be if you 
 weren't using the scripts in the kernel. If you can think of
 anything, though, I'll add it.
 
 Could someone suggest some text here? I really don't know what to
 write.

I don't think I can come up with any way to make the text clearer, but
what might help is to change the name of the package.  Something like
Linux-linux-version;-Headers instead of putting the version at the
end, perhaps?  That way it might be a bit more obvious that it's not a
package named linux-headers, and hopefully that makes it a bit more
obvious that it isn't CLFS's linux-headers package either.

Or, since I'm not at all sure how the automatic indexing stuff works yet
in DocBook ({indexterm}, etc.), perhaps it would be possible to just
remove the hyphens for that package, and call it Linux 2.6.20 Headers
or Linux Headers, so those strings show up in the index (and on the
rest of the pages)?

Or better yet, call it Linux API Headers, or something else that could
indicate its function and also split Linux and Headers apart?

OTOH, I don't know why most of these people think it's the CLFS package
either -- are they doing a search on linux-headers and finding that
package?  Or are they doing something else that's pointing them there?
I don't think any of these suggestions should be used unless they help
fix the root of the user confusion -- and I don't know what that is for
sure.



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Re: Various issues with the book

2007-02-24 Thread M.Canales.es
El Sábado, 24 de Febrero de 2007 14:30, Bryan Kadzban escribió:


 Or, since I'm not at all sure how the automatic indexing stuff works yet
 in DocBook ({indexterm}, etc.), perhaps it would be possible to just
 remove the hyphens for that package, and call it Linux 2.6.20 Headers
 or Linux Headers, so those strings show up in the index (and on the
 rest of the pages)?

Right, the Index need be fixed. It uses yet the tagging inherited for when 
using the Linux-libc-headers package.

Also I vote for changing the pages title to Linux-2.6.20 API Headers

I can do both changes later today if there are no complaints.


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Re: Various issues with the book

2007-02-24 Thread Matthew Burgess
On Saturday 24 February 2007 13:44, M.Canales.es wrote:

 Also I vote for changing the pages title to Linux-2.6.20 API Headers

 I can do both changes later today if there are no complaints.

No complaints here, Manuel.  Thanks!
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Re: Various issues with the book

2007-02-24 Thread M.Canales.es
El Sábado, 24 de Febrero de 2007 14:49, Matthew Burgess escribió:

 No complaints here, Manuel.  Thanks!

Done in r7942 and r7943

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[Fwd: [Clfs-dev] Dead Link]

2007-02-24 Thread Joe Ciccone

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The Link to this Page is dead:
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Thanks
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Re: Various issues with the book

2007-02-24 Thread Dan Nicholson
On 2/24/07, Bryan Kadzban [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 OTOH, I don't know why most of these people think it's the CLFS package
 either -- are they doing a search on linux-headers and finding that
 package?  Or are they doing something else that's pointing them there?
 I don't think any of these suggestions should be used unless they help
 fix the root of the user confusion -- and I don't know what that is for
 sure.

This was the same reason I couldn't come up with anything. I'm worried
that just putting the version number after Linux won't help people in
this situation. But it'll have to do until an actual confused user
suggests something different. Unfortunately, I don't know how many
confused users read lfs-dev. I'm gonna throw it onto support and see
if anyone takes the bait.

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Re: RFC: Create a new-rendering-tools branch

2007-02-24 Thread Bruce Dubbs
M.Canales.es wrote:
 El Sábado, 24 de Febrero de 2007 05:20, Bruce Dubbs escribió:
 Dan Nicholson wrote:
 Is this still going to happen. Manuel is obviously going to drive any
 changes, but I think any branches have to be created by Matthew or
 Bruce.
 Actually, anyone with commit privs can create a tag or branch.  It's
 just a svn command away.
 
 Right, I'm waiting the DocBook-XSL-1.72.1 release (just few minutes ago was 
 committed another bug fix into the extensions/ subdirectory)
 
 What we should do as soon is possible is to update the sources to 
 DocBook-XML-4.5 DTD, but that depend on having the package installed at least 
 on quantum, and anduin.
 
 Bruce, some timeline about that?
 
 Also BLFS should close #2241 to allow editors to install the new DTD on their 
 hosts.

Randy has assigned that ticket to himself.  I can update quantum and
anduin anytime, but I haven't looked at the procedure to do that.
However, I can't imagine it being much different from what we have now.

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Re: RFC: Create a new-rendering-tools branch

2007-02-24 Thread M.Canales.es
El Sábado, 24 de Febrero de 2007 17:14, Bruce Dubbs escribió:

 Randy has assigned that ticket to himself.  I can update quantum and
 anduin anytime, but I haven't looked at the procedure to do that.
 However, I can't imagine it being much different from what we have now.

On that ticket there is patch by Matthew with the commands update.

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Re: Testing required: SVN build segfaults on stripping chapter6

2007-02-24 Thread Bruce Dubbs
M.Canales.es wrote:

  OK, thanks for the explanation.  I understand what was happening now.
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Re: RFC: Create a new-rendering-tools branch

2007-02-24 Thread Dan Nicholson
On 2/24/07, Bruce Dubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 M.Canales.es wrote:
 
  Also BLFS should close #2241 to allow editors to install the new DTD on 
  their
  hosts.

 Randy has assigned that ticket to himself.  I can update quantum and
 anduin anytime, but I haven't looked at the procedure to do that.
 However, I can't imagine it being much different from what we have now.

I raised the priority of the ticket, so hopefully that will prod Randy
into action. Matthew has already attached a book diff.

http://wiki.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/attachment/ticket/2241/docbook-4.5.diff

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IRCD logs

2007-02-24 Thread Dan Nicholson
I was wondering if the IRC logs are available online. It doesn't look
like it to me, at least not at the old location:

http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/~ircd/

But that makes sense since ircd is not in a home directory anymore on
quantum, but in /srv/ircd. I don't know if any extra setup is needed
in ircd or httpd.conf, but at least /srv/ircd has too restrictive
permissions for this to happen.

I CC'd Joe since I'm pretty sure he has some experience here and may
have set up the old logging system.

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Re: IRCD logs

2007-02-24 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
Dan Nicholson wrote:
 I was wondering if the IRC logs are available online. It doesn't look
 like it to me, at least not at the old location:

No, they aren't currently publicly available. Although, they could be 
made so if enough people deemed it necessary or desirable.

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Re: Confusing Linux headers?

2007-02-24 Thread Matthew Burgess
On Saturday 24 February 2007 17:11, Jeremy Huntwork wrote:
 The use of the name 'Linux-Headers-2.6.20' seems to imply that it is a
 separate package, very similar to the rest of the book. If we changed
 the title to something like 'Linux-2.6.20 Sanitized Headers' or
 something similar, it might make the point a little clearer at first
 glance.

See Manuel's commits r7942 and r7943. The titles now read Linux 2.6.20.1 API 
Headers.

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Confusing Linux headers?

2007-02-24 Thread Dan Nicholson
One of the CLFS developers wrote on lfs-dev that some users on IRC
were confused about whether the Linux headers were the CLFS headers or
not.

http://linuxfromscratch.org/pipermail/lfs-dev/2007-February/058935.html

The LFS editors are having a hard time seeing this perspective since
we're all aware of the history there. So, I'd like to ask if anyone
has been confused about this relationship. If so, could you suggest
some text that would clarify it? The pages are here:

http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/development/chapter05/linux-headers.html
http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/development/chapter06/linux-headers.html

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Re: IRCD logs

2007-02-24 Thread Dan Nicholson
On 2/24/07, Jeremy Huntwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dan Nicholson wrote:
  I was wondering if the IRC logs are available online. It doesn't look
  like it to me, at least not at the old location:

 No, they aren't currently publicly available. Although, they could be
 made so if enough people deemed it necessary or desirable.

Well, I deem it desirable :) I'm not big on using IRC, but I realize
that a lot happens there, so I like to skim the logs from time to time
and see if there was anything important I missed.

Anyone else?

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Re: IRCD logs

2007-02-24 Thread Joe Ciccone
Dan Nicholson wrote:
 I was wondering if the IRC logs are available online. It doesn't look
 like it to me, at least not at the old location:

 http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/~ircd/

 But that makes sense since ircd is not in a home directory anymore on
 quantum, but in /srv/ircd. I don't know if any extra setup is needed
 in ircd or httpd.conf, but at least /srv/ircd has too restrictive
 permissions for this to happen.

 I CC'd Joe since I'm pretty sure he has some experience here and may
 have set up the old logging system.
I believe it was Archaic that setup the old logging system. There was a
bot that idled in each channel. This would be easy enough to do again.
I'm not a fan of having public logs though. Many people idle 24/7 and
have their client log, and I suggest that for anyone interested in
finding out what's going on. Otherwise, if it's a log or die situation,
I suppose I can set something up, but I would really like to keep them
in a place where only people with a shell account on quantum can get to
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Re: Various issues with the book

2007-02-24 Thread M.Canales.es
El Sábado, 24 de Febrero de 2007 12:58, Alexander E. Patrakov escribió:

 Thanks. Could you please patch your local copy of the book and determine
 via jhalfs whether it is still usable with HJL binutils, if one doesn't
 drop m4? If not, then I really see no reason to keep it.

HJL Binutils complaints about missing Bison and Flex, thus being M4 missing 
also (if it can be removed) is not worse than the current situation, IMHO.


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Re: Various issues with the book

2007-02-24 Thread Dan Nicholson
On 2/24/07, M.Canales.es [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 El Sábado, 24 de Febrero de 2007 12:58, Alexander E. Patrakov escribió:

  Thanks. Could you please patch your local copy of the book and determine
  via jhalfs whether it is still usable with HJL binutils, if one doesn't
  drop m4? If not, then I really see no reason to keep it.

 HJL Binutils complaints about missing Bison and Flex, thus being M4 missing
 also (if it can be removed) is not worse than the current situation, IMHO.

Bison and flex depend on m4, correct? So, it's exactly the same. The
current policy is that we don't care about HJL until we need to. The
bison and flex pages are still in the repo, just not tied into
chapter05.xml.

Hmm, it looks like someone removed the old commented entries for bison
and flex in Ch.5. Oh, that was our work in alphabetical. I guess if we
ever need to get the HJL dependencies back in, the Ch. 5 order will
have to be reworked since m4 would have to move to the beginning (or
somewhere else before bison).

Did you ever find out if the diffs in cc1 were related to the m4 removal?

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Re: Various issues with the book

2007-02-24 Thread M.Canales.es
El Sábado, 24 de Febrero de 2007 21:28, Dan Nicholson escribió:


 Did you ever find out if the diffs in cc1 were related to the m4 removal?


I'm doing now a new ICA/farce build but with M4 to see if that two binaries 
differs also or not.

If they not differ, M4 should be retained and maybe added to GCC dependencies 
list.

If they not differ, M4 can be removed but we will need to investigate what 
causes that that files differs.

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Re: Various issues with the book

2007-02-24 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
Dan Nicholson wrote:
 Hmm, it looks like someone removed the old commented entries for bison
 and flex in Ch.5. Oh, that was our work in alphabetical. I guess if we

I had thought that the alphabetical branch didn't even touch chapter 5?

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Re: Various issues with the book

2007-02-24 Thread M.Canales.es
El Sábado, 24 de Febrero de 2007 21:34, M.Canales.es escribió:

 I'm doing now a new ICA/farce build but with M4 to see if that two binaries
 differs also or not.

Another cause could be that my system have now a very big load and ocasionally 
I have aleatories build fails (two times in the last four days, one building 
Glibc and another running the Autoconf testsuite).

That it what i'm doing two or three build of each type to do the tests. But 
reports from others folks will very very apreciated.

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Re: Various issues with the book

2007-02-24 Thread M.Canales.es
El Sábado, 24 de Febrero de 2007 21:38, Jeremy Huntwork escribió:

 I had thought that the alphabetical branch didn't even touch chapter 5?

There was some changes, included the removal of the commented-out Bison and 
Flex lines, when doned the merge. See

 svn diff -r7279:7489 chapter05/chapter05.xml

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Re: Various issues with the book

2007-02-24 Thread Ken Moffat
On Sat, Feb 24, 2007 at 06:41:27PM +0100, M.Canales.es wrote:
 El Sábado, 24 de Febrero de 2007 12:40, M.Canales.es escribió:
 
 
  I'm doing the ICA/farce build now.
 
 
 ICA and farce reports this differs:
 
 FAIL:  /usr/lib/libstdc++.la is different
 FAIL:  /usr/lib/libsupc++.la is different
 
 That two has been here from always.
 
 FAIL:  /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.1/cc1 differs after stripping and 
 processing
 FAIL:  /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.1/cc1plus differs after stripping 
 and processing
 
 That two are new, at least for me, but I'm not sure yet if are due the M4 
 removal or not. 
 Sorry I'm a bit later than I'd like in replying to this, but I saw
these running farce on the book as it was in December.  Didn't
bother reporting it, so feel free to moan at me.

 Unrelatedly, I'm probably going to be less active, maybe even
disappear from the lists, for the next week or two (family reasons).

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Re: Various issues with the book

2007-02-24 Thread M.Canales.es
El Domingo, 25 de Febrero de 2007 00:43, Ken Moffat escribió:

  Sorry I'm a bit later than I'd like in replying to this, but I saw
 these running farce on the book as it was in December.  Didn't
 bother reporting it, so feel free to moan at me.

Thanks for remembering that now.

My second ICA/farce build has finished just now, and it corfims that that GCC 
binaries differs also having M4 on chapter05. That builds has been done 
before the GCC, Glibc, and DB updates done by Matthew this morning. 

I will start tomorrow another build with the updated LFS-SVN code (if the new 
patches are availables for download at that time) and without chapter05 M4. 

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