Re: An idea for a new development model
On Wednesday 15 August 2007 3:20:38 pm Jeremy Huntwork wrote: > I hate to say it, but I don't recall your system. Do you have a link of > some sort? I did post a couple of replies with links in them but they may have been considered spam and they don't seem to have gotten through. You can look through the October 2005 lfs-chat archives for the relevent information. -- Shane Shields Registered LFS Compiler: 7582 To drink the WINE of success you must first seek the sayings of source Anyone sending unwanted advertising e-mail to this address will be charged $25 for network traffic and computing time. By extracting my address from this message or its header, you agree to these terms. NOT : Bu mesaj ve ekleri mesajda gönderildigi belirtilen kisi ya da kisilere özel olup gizli bilgiler içeriyor olabilir. Mesajin muhatabi degilseniz lütfen mesaji herhangi bir sekilde kullanmayiniz ve mesaji gönderen kisiyi bilgilendirerek ekleri ile birlikte derhal imha ediniz. Mesaj göndericiye ait olup, Erkunt Tarim Makinalari Sanayii A.S.'nin herhangi bir sorumlulugu bulunmamaktadir.Mesajin size gönderilmesinden, bilgilerin dogrulugundan, bilgisayar sistemine verebilecegi zararlardan ve burada sayilanlar ve sayilmayanlar da dahil dogabilecek tüm zararlardan Erkunt Tarim Makinalari Sanayii. A.S sorumlu tutulamaz. QS Disclaimer Demo. Copyright (C) Pa-software. Visit www.pa-software.com for more information. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: An idea for a new development model
On Wednesday 15 August 2007 8:53:23 pm Jeremy Huntwork wrote: > offers areas for greater education. It could be > argued that by inspecting the contents of DESTDIR after they run the > make install command there is additional opportunity for builders to get > familiar with what exactly is going to be installed. I think that this is an extremely important point. The whole point of LFS is education and omitting this is a lack in the book IMHO. However on the other hand some packages do not support DESTDIR or use a different variable and could cause more confusion and support requests. -- Shane Shields Registered LFS Compiler: 7582 To drink the WINE of success you must first seek the sayings of source Anyone sending unwanted advertising e-mail to this address will be charged $25 for network traffic and computing time. By extracting my address from this message or its header, you agree to these terms. NOT : Bu mesaj ve ekleri mesajda gönderildigi belirtilen kisi ya da kisilere özel olup gizli bilgiler içeriyor olabilir. Mesajin muhatabi degilseniz lütfen mesaji herhangi bir sekilde kullanmayiniz ve mesaji gönderen kisiyi bilgilendirerek ekleri ile birlikte derhal imha ediniz. Mesaj göndericiye ait olup, Erkunt Tarim Makinalari Sanayii A.S.'nin herhangi bir sorumlulugu bulunmamaktadir.Mesajin size gönderilmesinden, bilgilerin dogrulugundan, bilgisayar sistemine verebilecegi zararlardan ve burada sayilanlar ve sayilmayanlar da dahil dogabilecek tüm zararlardan Erkunt Tarim Makinalari Sanayii. A.S sorumlu tutulamaz. QS Disclaimer Demo. Copyright (C) Pa-software. Visit www.pa-software.com for more information. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: An idea for a new development model
On Wednesday 15 August 2007 3:20:38 pm Jeremy Huntwork wrote: > Shane Shields wrote: > > On 15 Aug 2007 Wed 11:25 am, Alan Lord wrote: > >> Jeremy - that sounds like a cracking idea but I strongly believe that it > >> should go much further than the LiveCD... > > > > Strongly agree > > I would love to see some sort of proper support for PM go into LFS, but > that all depends on the community... > > > The old timers of you may recall that I did do such a complete package > > management and build system for B/LFS using the RPM package management > > system. I recall that I did post my scripts and package configuration > > files for all to use. I too had to (sorrowfully) move to kubuntu as I > > didn't have the time to single handedly follow LFS, incorporate the > > package management and keep my system up to date. > > > > Perhaps my system could be of use? > > I hate to say it, but I don't recall your system. Do you have a link of > some sort? We had a bit of a discussion in this archive I just found. http://linuxfromscratch.org/pipermail/lfs-dev/2005-October.txt This is where I stored them online :) I don't know if they are my latest but I do have them and LFS ones archived on cd somewhere. http://www.diy-linux.org/downloads/contrib/shane_shields/ -- Shane Shields Registered LFS Compiler: 7582 To drink the WINE of success you must first seek the sayings of source Anyone sending unwanted advertising e-mail to this address will be charged $25 for network traffic and computing time. By extracting my address from this message or its header, you agree to these terms. NOT : Bu mesaj ve ekleri mesajda gönderildigi belirtilen kisi ya da kisilere özel olup gizli bilgiler içeriyor olabilir. Mesajin muhatabi degilseniz lütfen mesaji herhangi bir sekilde kullanmayiniz ve mesaji gönderen kisiyi bilgilendirerek ekleri ile birlikte derhal imha ediniz. Mesaj göndericiye ait olup, Erkunt Tarim Makinalari Sanayii A.S.'nin herhangi bir sorumlulugu bulunmamaktadir.Mesajin size gönderilmesinden, bilgilerin dogrulugundan, bilgisayar sistemine verebilecegi zararlardan ve burada sayilanlar ve sayilmayanlar da dahil dogabilecek tüm zararlardan Erkunt Tarim Makinalari Sanayii. A.S sorumlu tutulamaz. QS Disclaimer Demo. Copyright (C) Pa-software. Visit www.pa-software.com for more information. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: An idea for a new development model
On Wednesday 15 August 2007 3:20:38 pm Jeremy Huntwork wrote: > I would love to see some sort of proper support for PM go into LFS, but > that all depends on the community... That is what makes LFS so good. I plug it on my blog whenever I get the chance. http://blogs.ittoolbox.com/linux/locutus > > I hate to say it, but I don't recall your system. Do you have a link of > some sort? I don't remember exactly when but a quick search on the lfs website turned up this. You will have to search inside the text for it. I do remember making an announcement either on that list or the development list. http://linuxfromscratch.org/pipermail/lfs-chat/2005-May.txt -- Shane Shields Registered LFS Compiler: 7582 To drink the WINE of success you must first seek the sayings of source Anyone sending unwanted advertising e-mail to this address will be charged $25 for network traffic and computing time. By extracting my address from this message or its header, you agree to these terms. NOT : Bu mesaj ve ekleri mesajda gönderildigi belirtilen kisi ya da kisilere özel olup gizli bilgiler içeriyor olabilir. Mesajin muhatabi degilseniz lütfen mesaji herhangi bir sekilde kullanmayiniz ve mesaji gönderen kisiyi bilgilendirerek ekleri ile birlikte derhal imha ediniz. Mesaj göndericiye ait olup, Erkunt Tarim Makinalari Sanayii A.S.'nin herhangi bir sorumlulugu bulunmamaktadir.Mesajin size gönderilmesinden, bilgilerin dogrulugundan, bilgisayar sistemine verebilecegi zararlardan ve burada sayilanlar ve sayilmayanlar da dahil dogabilecek tüm zararlardan Erkunt Tarim Makinalari Sanayii. A.S sorumlu tutulamaz. QS Disclaimer Demo. Copyright (C) Pa-software. Visit www.pa-software.com for more information. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: An idea for a new development model
On 15 Aug 2007 Wed 11:25 am, Alan Lord wrote:
>
> Disclaimer: Please take my comments as those of a lurker - rather than
> anyone with any actual authority on this subject.
I will also take the above disclaimer and apply it to myself
>
> Jeremy - that sounds like a cracking idea but I strongly believe that it
> should go much further than the LiveCD...
Strongly agree
> I have been "doing" LFS for many years (LFS ID#216) but in the recent
> past now use Ubuntu for daily use. The reason why I don't do {L,B}FS
> much now? Because it is such a PITA to keep up-to-date. [Me dons an
> asbestos suit].
Me too although not as long as Alan :).
The old timers of you may recall that I did do such a complete package
management and build system for B/LFS using the RPM package management
system. I recall that I did post my scripts and package configuration files
for all to use. I too had to (sorrowfully) move to kubuntu as I didn't have
the time to single handedly follow LFS, incorporate the package management
and keep my system up to date.
Perhaps my system could be of use?
--
Shane Shields
Registered LFS Compiler: 7582
To drink the WINE of success you must first seek the sayings of source
Anyone sending unwanted advertising e-mail to this address will be charged $25
for network traffic and computing time. By extracting my address from this
message or its header, you agree to these terms.
NOT : Bu mesaj ve ekleri mesajda gönderildigi belirtilen kisi ya da kisilere
özel olup gizli bilgiler içeriyor olabilir. Mesajin muhatabi degilseniz lütfen
mesaji herhangi bir sekilde kullanmayiniz ve mesaji gönderen kisiyi
bilgilendirerek ekleri ile birlikte derhal imha ediniz. Mesaj göndericiye ait
olup, Erkunt Tarim Makinalari Sanayii A.S.'nin herhangi bir sorumlulugu
bulunmamaktadir.Mesajin size gönderilmesinden, bilgilerin dogrulugundan,
bilgisayar sistemine verebilecegi zararlardan ve burada sayilanlar ve
sayilmayanlar da dahil dogabilecek tüm zararlardan Erkunt Tarim Makinalari
Sanayii. A.S sorumlu tutulamaz.
QS Disclaimer Demo. Copyright (C) Pa-software.
Visit www.pa-software.com for more information.
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Re: A plea for shorter threads...
TheOldFellow wrote: Guys, I'm having real problems following the 'discussions' on bootscripts and udev. The main issue is that the thread nesting has gotten so deep that Thunderbird gives up. So I can't see who said what to whom about what. /me pops up from the dark room I use thunderbird and all my threads show correctly. Have you tried increasing the width of the subject field? /me goes back to the dungeon -- Shane Shields Registered LFS Compiler: 7582 To drink the WINE of success you must first seek the sayings of source Anyone sending unwanted advertising e-mail to this address will be charged $25 for network traffic and computing time. By extracting my address from this message or its header, you agree to these terms. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: Fwd: machine donation
Stef Bon wrote: Ok for a nice server I'm always interested, but 120 kg. What kind of beast is this?? http://www.ciao.co.uk/Digital_Server_7305__5358898 -- Shane Shields Registered LFS Compiler: 7582 To drink the WINE of success you must first seek the sayings of source Anyone sending unwanted advertising e-mail to this address will be charged $25 for network traffic and computing time. By extracting my address from this message or its header, you agree to these terms. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: module-init-tools-3.2.2 : any ideas what I'm doing wrong?
I must apologise but I cant help it. Bernard Leak wrote: Bernard Leak -- Before they made me, they broke the mould Does this mean that you *Leaked* out of the mould? :) -- Shane Shields Registered LFS Compiler: 7582 To drink the WINE of success you must first seek the sayings of source Anyone sending unwanted advertising e-mail to this address will be charged $25 for network traffic and computing time. By extracting my address from this message or its header, you agree to these terms. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: Automatics LFS builds using jhalfs.
Jeremy Huntwork wrote: Shane Shields wrote: I do have a script for automated builds that can work for just about any self build linux's. I have addressed and I believe solved the above points. If you are interested I can mail them to you for perusal. It is however slanted toward rpm package management but you should get some ideas. Ideas are always welcome... :) Feel free to send whatever you've got to alfs-disucss. -- JH You can download them from http://www.diy-linux.org/downloads/contrib/shane_shields/ I only have a modem now but soon I will have adsl -- Shane Shields Registered LFS Compiler: 7582 To drink the WINE of success you must first seek the sayings of source Anyone sending unwanted advertising e-mail to this address will be charged $25 for network traffic and computing time. By extracting my address from this message or its header, you agree to these terms. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: My status
Jeremy Huntwork wrote: Hello All, You may have noticed recently that I have been 'back' to some degree. I have done some work on the LiveCD and yesterday Manuel roused my attention with jhalfs and I added some edits. As I mentioned in my emails before to this and other lists, I had fully intended to leave LFS entirely and not return, at least not for some time. However, (and perhaps this demonstrates the degree to which I love this project and the work), I wasn't able to keep myself away. As a result, this morning I see a malicious message in my Inbox from one of the team members here. It suggested that I created this notion of leaving LFS as a ruse to gain more recognition and ended with the comment that I 'need help'. If it has appeared this way to anyone else, I sincerely and deeply apologize, and I will do my best to stay away from LFS entirely. If you intend to reply to this thread, please do so without expressing any sympathy and/or refrain from directing towards me any sort of praise (this email was not intended to extract any such comments and they would only fan the flames of the accusation). -- JH I personally dont think you should stay away from the list against your wishes. Its a free world and many people have left and rejoined this and many other lists. The private post to you only shows the true state of that persons mental health. As requested I am not heaping on any praise regardless of how I feel. -- Shane Shields Registered LFS Compiler: 7582 To drink the WINE of success you must first seek the sayings of source Anyone sending unwanted advertising e-mail to this address will be charged $25 for network traffic and computing time. By extracting my address from this message or its header, you agree to these terms. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: Automatics LFS builds using jhalfs.
Jeremy Huntwork wrote: M.Canales.es wrote: El Domingo, 2 de Octubre de 2005 17:35, Jeremy Huntwork escribió: Wow, you've really taken my idea and run with it. ;) It looks nice, just where I would have (probably) gone myself. I'll have to get some time to sit down and really look it over. Thanks, and very happy to read to you :-) The problem at this moment is that I can't figure yet how to manage the chroot phase. This should be very easy, especially considering you've already accomplished a similar feat when su-ing as 'lfs'. All you would need to do is make sure that the proper kernfs and dev structure is in place in chroot and then for each target run "chroot $(DIR) $(ENV) bash -c 'command1 && command2'" where $(DIR) is your mount point, ie, /mnt/lfs and $(ENV) is the specific environment variables you want to include. Due that this is a linear build where each step depend on the proper execution of the previous one, I can't think in this momment on any cadidate target for .PHONY. You have a point there. Guess I was thinking of items like 'all chapter4 chapter5 chapter6 clean-all clean' etc. Targets that you want to *always* run. The others that you 'touch $@' on are 'real' targets. The rebuild from/up-to one child target can be achieved also removing the relevant $JHSLFSDIR/???-* files and touching the remaining ones. Good to know. -- JH I do have a script for automated builds that can work for just about any self build linux's. I have addressed and I believe solved the above points. If you are interested I can mail them to you for perusal. It is however slanted toward rpm package management but you should get some ideas. -- Shane Shields Registered LFS Compiler: 7582 To drink the WINE of success you must first seek the sayings of source Anyone sending unwanted advertising e-mail to this address will be charged $25 for network traffic and computing time. By extracting my address from this message or its header, you agree to these terms. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [RFC] New LFS Website
Jeremy Huntwork wrote: Hello Everyone: The LFS Website Team has been working on a new website for the Linux From Scratch community. We have shown it briefly before, but it is now nearly fully functional and filled with content. Our goal with this new site was to produce a simple and readable site that is easy to navigate and easy to maintain. You'll notice that we endeavored to greatly reduce the number of possible links on one page and lead the user through the site by logical grouping of data. Apart from just a redesign in the layout of the site, much has been done in rewriting the backend struture, to reduce maintainance overhead and to allow a more dynamic and "up-to-date" website. Please visit this new proposed site (follow the link below) and reply to the website mailing list with your thoughts or comments. We would like to hear from the community as to whether they would like to see this new design implemented. http://beta.linuxfromscratch.org/ Thank you, -- Jeremy Huntwork LFS Website Team Me likey :) -- Shane Shields Registered LFS Compiler: 7582 To drink the WINE of success you must first seek the sayings of source Anyone sending unwanted advertising e-mail to this address will be charged $25 for network traffic and computing time. By extracting my address from this message or its header, you agree to these terms. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: Interesting Website about Cross-Compling
Jim Gifford wrote: I found this website when talking to roel last night on IRC. One thing that surprised me was the LFS was actually mentioned in this document along with cross-compiling. http://www.scratchbox.org/documentation/general/tutorials/explained.html What gets my goat is that it is implying that LFS is using their toolkit :-( -- Shane Shields Registered LFS Compiler: 7582 To drink the WINE of success you must first seek the sayings of source Anyone sending unwanted advertising e-mail to this address will be charged $25 for network traffic and computing time. By extracting my address from this message or its header, you agree to these terms. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: Test suite failure notes on the Wiki
Shane Shields wrote: Archaic wrote: On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 03:13:19PM -0500, Randy McMurchy wrote: The bottom paragraph of section 4.6 in LFS-Testing points to the LFS Wiki for information about failed tests. Is there perhaps an updated URL that could more directly point to this information? I cannot really find anything. I'm going to BZ this so it doesn't get lost. People, we need to start adding our 2cents worth in these discussions. It really helps. I personally think that the whole page of instructions should be included. The reasoning is that if the build is going to be scripted, even on a small package by package basis. The time taken by all the instructions is significant. Put another way if someone uses the SBU's to estimate a total build time for a complete system and that total time is inaccurate to an order of three because some time consuming instructions are not included they could be inclined to disregard them and use their own timing system. New builders could also ask "why did the SBU's state it took xxx minutes but mine took yyy hours is there something wrong" type questions adding to the lists bandwidth and losing the time (and patience) of the people who are trying to solve real problems :) Oops sorry!!! wrong thread :( -- Shane Shields Registered LFS Compiler: 7582 To drink the WINE of success you must first seek the sayings of source Anyone sending unwanted advertising e-mail to this address will be charged $25 for network traffic and computing time. By extracting my address from this message or its header, you agree to these terms. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: Test suite failure notes on the Wiki
Archaic wrote: On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 03:13:19PM -0500, Randy McMurchy wrote: The bottom paragraph of section 4.6 in LFS-Testing points to the LFS Wiki for information about failed tests. Is there perhaps an updated URL that could more directly point to this information? I cannot really find anything. I'm going to BZ this so it doesn't get lost. People, we need to start adding our 2cents worth in these discussions. It really helps. I personally think that the whole page of instructions should be included. The reasoning is that if the build is going to be scripted, even on a small package by package basis. The time taken by all the instructions is significant. Put another way if someone uses the SBU's to estimate a total build time for a complete system and that total time is inaccurate to an order of three because some time consuming instructions are not included they could be inclined to disregard them and use their own timing system. New builders could also ask "why did the SBU's state it took xxx minutes but mine took yyy hours is there something wrong" type questions adding to the lists bandwidth and losing the time (and patience) of the people who are trying to solve real problems :) -- Shane Shields Registered LFS Compiler: 7582 To drink the WINE of success you must first seek the sayings of source Anyone sending unwanted advertising e-mail to this address will be charged $25 for network traffic and computing time. By extracting my address from this message or its header, you agree to these terms. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page
