Re: Alphabetical Build Clean [Was Re: [Alphabetical] Build order, Bug 684, Issue with Bash patch]

2006-03-26 Thread M.Canales.es
El Sábado, 25 de Marzo de 2006 22:41, Jeremy Huntwork escribió:

> To me, it just seems easier to work with dependencies all in one file
> rather than separately in each chapter06 file. Especially as we're
> looking at including another page (IIRC) that describes more of the
> rationale for dependencies and the package order.
>
> Just throwing out ideas. :)

Well, the final decision will be for Matthew.

I will create a framework and will send it to you for develop the POC.  

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Re: Alphabetical Build Clean [Was Re: [Alphabetical] Build order, Bug 684, Issue with Bash patch]

2006-03-25 Thread Jeremy Huntwork

M.Canales.es wrote:
The dependencies for each package are placed in the package file under 
chapter06/, and Xincluded from here in the files under chapter05/. When the 
dependencies for a package need be updated, only the file for that package 
under chapter06/ need be edited.


I can't see any gain, from the maintenance point of view, on placing the 
dependencies for all packages on a separate entities file.


Well, perhaps not an entity... What about one file somewhere that houses 
all dependencies for all packages. Then that could be Xincluded in both 
chapter 5 and chapter 6.


To me, it just seems easier to work with dependencies all in one file 
rather than separately in each chapter06 file. Especially as we're 
looking at including another page (IIRC) that describes more of the 
rationale for dependencies and the package order.


Just throwing out ideas. :)

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Re: Alphabetical Build Clean [Was Re: [Alphabetical] Build order, Bug 684, Issue with Bash patch]

2006-03-25 Thread M.Canales.es
El Sábado, 25 de Marzo de 2006 20:52, Jeremy Huntwork escribió:

> Manuel, I wanted to start adding this stuff into the book. I was
> wondering if it would make sense to have this as some sort of
> dynamically available data. I'm not sure if an entity makes sense (e.g.,
> autoconf-deps) but that's all I can think of at the moment. Do you have
> any suggestions?

The dependencies for each package are placed in the package file under 
chapter06/, and Xincluded from here in the files under chapter05/. When the 
dependencies for a package need be updated, only the file for that package 
under chapter06/ need be edited.

I can't see any gain, from the maintenance point of view, on placing the 
dependencies for all packages on a separate entities file.

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Re: Alphabetical Build Clean [Was Re: [Alphabetical] Build order, Bug 684, Issue with Bash patch]

2006-03-25 Thread Jeremy Huntwork

Chris Staub wrote:
OK, I've got the dependency list done - 
http://linuxfromscratch.org/~chris/dependencies.txt. Probably still not 
complete, but it's about as close as I'll ever get.


Manuel, I wanted to start adding this stuff into the book. I was 
wondering if it would make sense to have this as some sort of 
dynamically available data. I'm not sure if an entity makes sense (e.g., 
autoconf-deps) but that's all I can think of at the moment. Do you have 
any suggestions?


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Re: Alphabetical Build Clean [Was Re: [Alphabetical] Build order, Bug 684, Issue with Bash patch]

2006-03-18 Thread Chris Staub

Chris Staub wrote:


Just added a couple more that I missed earlier...Berkeley DB needs grep, 
and Glibc needs gzip.


And one more...I completely forgot to document deps. for the kernel. 
Just added that info.

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Re: Alphabetical Build Clean [Was Re: [Alphabetical] Build order, Bug 684, Issue with Bash patch]

2006-03-17 Thread Chris Staub

Chris Staub wrote:


On another note: I've removed the notes about Bzip2 and Gzip needing to 
be installed before tar. It seems tar will build with bzip2 and gzip 
support by default anyway, and simply searches the PATH for those 
programs at runtime.


Just added a couple more that I missed earlier...Berkeley DB needs grep, 
and Glibc needs gzip.

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Re: Alphabetical Build Clean [Was Re: [Alphabetical] Build order, Bug 684, Issue with Bash patch]

2006-03-15 Thread Chris Staub

Chris Staub wrote:

Dan Nicholson wrote:

Sorry...those look valid to me...I've updated my own list to reflect 
them. The E2fsprogs -> Util-Linux dep. was already there. :)




On another note: I've removed the notes about Bzip2 and Gzip needing to 
be installed before tar. It seems tar will build with bzip2 and gzip 
support by default anyway, and simply searches the PATH for those 
programs at runtime.

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Re: Alphabetical Build Clean [Was Re: [Alphabetical] Build order, Bug 684, Issue with Bash patch]

2006-03-15 Thread Chris Staub

Dan Nicholson wrote:

On 3/15/06, Chris Staub <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

* Bison must be installed before...tar
* Flex must be installed before...Iproute2 Man-DB
* E2fsprogs must be installed before...Util-linux


You didn't mention these.  Are they OK to go in, or do you want me to
dig up the rationale?


Sorry...those look valid to me...I've updated my own list to reflect 
them. The E2fsprogs -> Util-Linux dep. was already there. :)




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Re: Alphabetical Build Clean [Was Re: [Alphabetical] Build order, Bug 684, Issue with Bash patch]

2006-03-15 Thread Dan Nicholson
On 3/15/06, Chris Staub <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > * Bison must be installed before...tar
> > * Flex must be installed before...Iproute2 Man-DB
> > * E2fsprogs must be installed before...Util-linux

You didn't mention these.  Are they OK to go in, or do you want me to
dig up the rationale?

> > Also, I know that tar depends on more than the minimal set of
> > inetutils installed in Ch. 5 because ICA showed differences, so
> >
> > * Inetutils must be installed before...Tar
>
> Inetutils is never installed in Chap. 5.

Huh.  Well, that solves that.  Shaky memory, I guess.

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Re: Alphabetical Build Clean [Was Re: [Alphabetical] Build order, Bug 684, Issue with Bash patch]

2006-03-15 Thread Chris Staub

Dan Nicholson wrote:

Chris, here's what's in my (pathetic compared to yours) dependency notes:

http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/~dnicholson/dn-dependencies.txt

What I have that's not in yours.

* Man-DB: depends on flex
* Kbd: depends on gettext
* Tar: depends on bison and inetutils


All have been added, thanks.


* Util-linux: depends on e2fsprogs


Already had that. :)


* Iproute2: depends on flex


Added


I'm fairly certain I determined all of these from ICA.  I can't
immediately tell if these are build order dependencies, too. 
Although, knowing that flex, bison and e2fsprogs are only built in Ch.

6, I think it's safe to add this.

* Bison must be installed before...tar
* Flex must be installed before...Iproute2 Man-DB
* E2fsprogs must be installed before...Util-linux

Also, I know that tar depends on more than the minimal set of
inetutils installed in Ch. 5 because ICA showed differences, so

* Inetutils must be installed before...Tar


Inetutils is never installed in Chap. 5.


I don't think gettext has to be installed before kbd, just needs the
minimal set from Ch. 5.  Can't entirely recall, though.

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Re: Alphabetical Build Clean [Was Re: [Alphabetical] Build order, Bug 684, Issue with Bash patch]

2006-03-15 Thread Dan Nicholson
On 3/13/06, Chris Staub <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> OK, I've got the dependency list done -
> http://linuxfromscratch.org/~chris/dependencies.txt. Probably still not
> complete, but it's about as close as I'll ever get.

Chris, here's what's in my (pathetic compared to yours) dependency notes:

http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/~dnicholson/dn-dependencies.txt

What I have that's not in yours.

* Man-DB: depends on flex
* Kbd: depends on gettext
* Tar: depends on bison and inetutils
* Util-linux: depends on e2fsprogs
* Iproute2: depends on flex

I'm fairly certain I determined all of these from ICA.  I can't
immediately tell if these are build order dependencies, too. 
Although, knowing that flex, bison and e2fsprogs are only built in Ch.
6, I think it's safe to add this.

* Bison must be installed before...tar
* Flex must be installed before...Iproute2 Man-DB
* E2fsprogs must be installed before...Util-linux

Also, I know that tar depends on more than the minimal set of
inetutils installed in Ch. 5 because ICA showed differences, so

* Inetutils must be installed before...Tar

I don't think gettext has to be installed before kbd, just needs the
minimal set from Ch. 5.  Can't entirely recall, though.

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Re: Alphabetical Build Clean [Was Re: [Alphabetical] Build order, Bug 684, Issue with Bash patch]

2006-03-14 Thread Jeremy Huntwork

Chris Staub wrote:
OK, I've got the dependency list done - 
http://linuxfromscratch.org/~chris/dependencies.txt. Probably still not 
complete, but it's about as close as I'll ever get.


Oh. That's cool. Thanks for all the hard work, Chris! I won't be 
around for the next few days, so either this will have to be picked up 
when I can get to it, or Matt, Gerard or Archaic will have to jump in 
and finish it up.


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Re: Alphabetical Build Clean [Was Re: [Alphabetical] Build order, Bug 684, Issue with Bash patch]

2006-03-13 Thread Dan Nicholson
On 3/13/06, Chris Staub <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> OK, I've got the dependency list done -
> http://linuxfromscratch.org/~chris/dependencies.txt. Probably still not
> complete, but it's about as close as I'll ever get.

Wow, that is impressive.  I'll try to review these tomorrow with the
info I have to make sure there aren't any glaring mistakes.  Now for
the editors to decide how this will be used...

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Re: Alphabetical Build Clean [Was Re: [Alphabetical] Build order, Bug 684, Issue with Bash patch]

2006-03-13 Thread Chris Staub
OK, I've got the dependency list done - 
http://linuxfromscratch.org/~chris/dependencies.txt. Probably still not 
complete, but it's about as close as I'll ever get.

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Re: Alphabetical Build Clean [Was Re: [Alphabetical] Build order, Bug 684, Issue with Bash patch]

2006-03-13 Thread Jeremy Huntwork

Jeremy Huntwork wrote:
I'll add the order changes you made to the alphabetical branch - 
hopefully today. The only thing left is to get Chris' dependency 
documentation in as well.


Sorry for the lateness on this. The changes are in now, and as usual, 
the book is rendered here:


http://linuxfromscratch.org/~jhuntwork/lfs-alphabetical/

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Re: Alphabetical Build Clean [Was Re: [Alphabetical] Build order, Bug 684, Issue with Bash patch]

2006-03-08 Thread Archaic
On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 09:00:35PM +0100, M.Canales.es wrote:
> 
> Of course. That is what 'additional' means ;-)

Sometimes people (especially me) need an extra level of pedanticness to
avoid ambiguity. ;)

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Re: Alphabetical Build Clean [Was Re: [Alphabetical] Build order, Bug 684, Issue with Bash patch]

2006-03-08 Thread M.Canales.es
El Miércoles, 8 de Marzo de 2006 20:58, Archaic escribió:

> > Testsuite depends on: additional dependencies to run the testsuites

Of course. That is what 'additional' means ;-)

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Re: Alphabetical Build Clean [Was Re: [Alphabetical] Build order, Bug 684, Issue with Bash patch]

2006-03-08 Thread Archaic
On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 07:43:27PM +0100, M.Canales.es wrote:
> 
> Approximate build time: 0.2 SBU 
> Required disk space: 16.4 MB 
> Installation depends on: list of build dependencies, like until now
> Testsuite depends on: additional dependencies to run the testsuites

This looks good, but it would be nice if testsuite deps that are
duplicated in build deps were ignored.

> I'm for listing only LFS packages, adding a note after the offending "make 
> check" commands discussing that some test are skipped due dependencies 
> outside the base system.

Or even easier, put a note at the beginning of the book saying that
non-book deps are only listed in a table in the appendix.

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Re: Alphabetical Build Clean [Was Re: [Alphabetical] Build order, Bug 684, Issue with Bash patch]

2006-03-08 Thread M.Canales.es
El Miércoles, 8 de Marzo de 2006 18:10, Dan Nicholson escribió:

> I saw that and started making those same changes in my sandbox.
> However, this could become pretty ugly.  Perhaps if there was a
> separate Optional Dependencies heading.  Or Testing Dependencies.  Or,
> since LFS doesn't include that many packages, we could make a single
> page with a table that lists all the deps.  I think this was already
> suggested before.

The most simplest is (at output look level):

Approximate build time: 0.2 SBU 
Required disk space: 16.4 MB 
Installation depends on: list of build dependencies, like until now
Testsuite depends on: additional dependencies to run the testsuites

> Just for the case of automake and it's ridiculous test suite
> dependency list, some sort of policy needs to be decided on. 

I'm for listing only LFS packages, adding a note after the offending "make 
check" commands discussing that some test are skipped due dependencies 
outside the base system.

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Re: Alphabetical Build Clean [Was Re: [Alphabetical] Build order, Bug 684, Issue with Bash patch]

2006-03-08 Thread Fahrenheit
On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 09:10:58 -0800
"Dan Nicholson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 3/8/06, Chris Staub <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I think deps. that are needed for testsuites could be labeled as
> > being "optional" (notice I already started doing that for a few
> > packages) but you could do the same with several others. For
> > example...
> 
> I saw that and started making those same changes in my sandbox. 
> However, this could become pretty ugly.  Perhaps if there was a
> separate Optional Dependencies heading.  Or Testing Dependencies.  Or,
> since LFS doesn't include that many packages, we could make a single
> page with a table that lists all the deps.  I think this was already
> suggested before.
> 
> Just for the case of automake and it's ridiculous test suite
> dependency list, some sort of policy needs to be decided on.  For now,
> let's continue putting in the deps as they've been found.  We can
> always change the appearance later.
> 
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why not follow the gentoo aproach?
separate depedencies for what they are needed: runtime, build and
testsuite ?
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Re: Alphabetical Build Clean [Was Re: [Alphabetical] Build order, Bug 684, Issue with Bash patch]

2006-03-08 Thread Dan Nicholson
On 3/8/06, Chris Staub <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I think deps. that are needed for testsuites could be labeled as being
> "optional" (notice I already started doing that for a few packages) but
> you could do the same with several others. For example...

I saw that and started making those same changes in my sandbox. 
However, this could become pretty ugly.  Perhaps if there was a
separate Optional Dependencies heading.  Or Testing Dependencies.  Or,
since LFS doesn't include that many packages, we could make a single
page with a table that lists all the deps.  I think this was already
suggested before.

Just for the case of automake and it's ridiculous test suite
dependency list, some sort of policy needs to be decided on.  For now,
let's continue putting in the deps as they've been found.  We can
always change the appearance later.

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Re: Alphabetical Build Clean [Was Re: [Alphabetical] Build order, Bug 684, Issue with Bash patch]

2006-03-08 Thread Chris Staub

Dan Nicholson wrote:

On 3/8/06, Chris Staub <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I'm still updating my dependency list here -
http://linuxfromscratch.org/~chris/dependencies.txt

Unfortunately my network connection died yesterday, and I neglected to
copy this file to my own system (shame on me!) so I couldn't add more
till just now.


Chris, I started updating my sandbox with what's in the file above. 
One thing I noticed right off the bat was the deps in automake.  So I

groveled through automake source and found that most of the deps are
for the test suite.  Maybe this should be noted separately.  Here's
the insane list of testsuite deps I came up with:

$ grep -rh '^required' tests | \
sed -e 's/^required=//' -e "s/'//g" -e 's/"//g' -e 's/ /\n/g' | \
sort | uniq
bison
bzip2
emacs
etags
flex
g++
gcc
gcj
gettext
GNUmake
gzip
icc
libtool
libtoolize
makedepend
makeinfo
makeinfo-html
python
ro-dir
runtest
tex
texi2dvi-o

What do you guys think about this nonsense?  I think the only hard
dependencies of automake (for building and running) are listed in the
current in the current book.  Chris probably knows best, though.

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I think deps. that are needed for testsuites could be labeled as being 
"optional" (notice I already started doing that for a few packages) but 
you could do the same with several others. For example...


DejaGNU is used by GCC, Binutils, and Findutils testsuites
Perl is needed by Make and Udev testsuite
[ridiculously long list of packages] used by Automake testsuite
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Re: Alphabetical Build Clean [Was Re: [Alphabetical] Build order, Bug 684, Issue with Bash patch]

2006-03-08 Thread Dan Nicholson
On 3/8/06, Chris Staub <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'm still updating my dependency list here -
> http://linuxfromscratch.org/~chris/dependencies.txt
>
> Unfortunately my network connection died yesterday, and I neglected to
> copy this file to my own system (shame on me!) so I couldn't add more
> till just now.

Chris, I started updating my sandbox with what's in the file above. 
One thing I noticed right off the bat was the deps in automake.  So I
groveled through automake source and found that most of the deps are
for the test suite.  Maybe this should be noted separately.  Here's
the insane list of testsuite deps I came up with:

$ grep -rh '^required' tests | \
sed -e 's/^required=//' -e "s/'//g" -e 's/"//g' -e 's/ /\n/g' | \
sort | uniq
bison
bzip2
emacs
etags
flex
g++
gcc
gcj
gettext
GNUmake
gzip
icc
libtool
libtoolize
makedepend
makeinfo
makeinfo-html
python
ro-dir
runtest
tex
texi2dvi-o

What do you guys think about this nonsense?  I think the only hard
dependencies of automake (for building and running) are listed in the
current in the current book.  Chris probably knows best, though.

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Re: Alphabetical Build Clean [Was Re: [Alphabetical] Build order, Bug 684, Issue with Bash patch]

2006-03-08 Thread Chris Staub

Matthew Burgess wrote:

Jeremy Huntwork wrote:

Matt, Gerard, any idea on how/when you want to start looking at 
merging these changes into trunk?


A.S.A.P please, though I'd prefer if you could wait until Chris' 
dependency stuff was in before merging.  I'm going to have to trust 
yours, Dan's and Chris' hard work and judgement on this though as I've 
not had time to test it myself.  Dan's ICA report looks convincing!


Cheers,

Matt.


I'm still updating my dependency list here - 
http://linuxfromscratch.org/~chris/dependencies.txt


Unfortunately my network connection died yesterday, and I neglected to 
copy this file to my own system (shame on me!) so I couldn't add more 
till just now. I'm going through a build, carefully watching every 
package one more time to make sure I have all dependencies. After I get 
done updating this, I'll create and submit a patch for the book for any 
more package dependencies that need to be changed, then start working on 
figuring out how do the additional page that details the reasoning for 
the build order and listing what dependencies need to be in a certain order.

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Re: Alphabetical Build Clean [Was Re: [Alphabetical] Build order, Bug 684, Issue with Bash patch]

2006-03-08 Thread Gerard Beekmans

Jeremy Huntwork wrote:
Matt, Gerard, any idea on how/when you want to start looking at merging 
these changes into trunk?


I'm with Matt on this one and do it sooner rather than later. I do want 
Chris' dependencies finalized and added to this alphabetical branch so 
we can implement this in one sitting.


I've not had much time to test the proposed changes but they look sane 
and the rest of you guys had the chance to look at it and I've not heard 
anything negative about it. There are no show stoppers as far as I can 
tell. So I'll defer judgement to Dan and Chris. When they say it's ready 
to go, we're ready to go.


Of course the sane thing to do would to update the alphabetical branch 
and announce that on this list. Render a final book version of it and 
let it sit for a while, asking people to test it and give it one last 
shake down before we merge it back into LFS Trunk.




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Re: Alphabetical Build Clean [Was Re: [Alphabetical] Build order, Bug 684, Issue with Bash patch]

2006-03-08 Thread Jeremy Huntwork

Jeremy Huntwork wrote:

Dan Nicholson wrote:

The build is ICA verified.  All tests were run and kernel built with
"allyesconfig".  Results contain no regressions from current LFS SVN
except for two GCC test suite failures from applying the patch in
http://wiki.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/ticket/1718.  Will probably wait
until GCC-4.0.3 is released before addressing that issue.


I'll add the order changes you made to the alphabetical branch - 
hopefully today. The only thing left is to get Chris' dependency 
documentation in as well.


Forgot to say 'Good work, Dan'. :)

Seriously, you and Chris have both been a tremendous help. Many Thanks.

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Re: Alphabetical Build Clean [Was Re: [Alphabetical] Build order, Bug 684, Issue with Bash patch]

2006-03-08 Thread Matthew Burgess

Jeremy Huntwork wrote:

Matt, Gerard, any idea on how/when you want to start looking at merging 
these changes into trunk?


A.S.A.P please, though I'd prefer if you could wait until Chris' 
dependency stuff was in before merging.  I'm going to have to trust 
yours, Dan's and Chris' hard work and judgement on this though as I've 
not had time to test it myself.  Dan's ICA report looks convincing!


Cheers,

Matt.
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Re: Alphabetical Build Clean [Was Re: [Alphabetical] Build order, Bug 684, Issue with Bash patch]

2006-03-08 Thread Jeremy Huntwork

Dan Nicholson wrote:

The build is ICA verified.  All tests were run and kernel built with
"allyesconfig".  Results contain no regressions from current LFS SVN
except for two GCC test suite failures from applying the patch in
http://wiki.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/ticket/1718.  Will probably wait
until GCC-4.0.3 is released before addressing that issue.


I'll add the order changes you made to the alphabetical branch - 
hopefully today. The only thing left is to get Chris' dependency 
documentation in as well.


Matt, Gerard, any idea on how/when you want to start looking at merging 
these changes into trunk?


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