Re: [liberationtech] My Venezuela Post

[Sky (Jim Schuyler)]

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> El dom., 27 de ene. de 2019 a la(s) 22:10, Sky (Jim Schuyler) (s...@red7.com 
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> There are any number of us who would be able to read a message in Spanish, so 
> I'd urge you to go ahead and post both in your most comfortable language, 
> plus translation because of the list's stated common language. I subscribe to 
> some ES+EN lists and find this kind of practice to be very helpful. I 
> wouldn't myself post (or answer you) in Spanish because of my limited 
> capability, but I'd be happy to read what you have to say in its original 
> language!
> 
> I certainly can understand how it might feel difficult to express subtleties 
> in a second language — I have that problem myself.
> 
> —Sky
> 
>> On Jan 27, 2019, at 12:10 PM, Cristina (99) > <mailto:efect...@riseup.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> What i don't see as something friendly -and sorry about it- is to discuss 
>> this terrible moment in English.
>> I know the list is in that language, but a lot of us are South Americans, 
>> living this from Latin America, and having to translate our opinions (even 
>> between us) to a foreign language. I feel it a bit weird, sorry again. 
>> And this is sooo strong for us (as imply a key point to all the region) that 
>> it's very difficult to express it in English. At least It's one of the 
>> reasons I remain in silence.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Cristina (99)
>> 
>> On 27/1/19 17:24, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes wrote:
>>> I don’t think your post was “political editorializing” at all! And I’m a 
>>> Venezuelan citizen that tries to keep out of the toxic political talk in 
>>> and on Venezuela. Life is NOT politics, and history and facts transcend 
>>> ideologies, often used to mask or justify untenable and immoral social 
>>> realities maintained by governments and other power brokers.
>>> 
>>> Regards / Saludos / Grato
>>> 
>>> Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes
>>> 
>>> On Jan 27, 2019, at 2:07 PM, Yosem Companys >> <mailto:ycompa...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> It has been brought to my attention that some of you felt that my email on 
>>>> Reymar Perdomo was excessive editorializing on behalf of Liberation 
>>>> Technology in favor of a political group against others.
>>>> 
>>>> I'd like to apologize to all of those who saw my email in that light, 
>>>> though in hindsight I understand how my email could be misconstrued in 
>>>> that way. But I was only trying to make two points:
>>>> First, that we forget that music can sometimes serve as a Liberation 
>>>> Technology; and,
>>>> Second, that the plight of migrants and refugees is an issue of concern 
>>>> for Liberation Technology.
>>>> In this context, I'd like to reiterate Liberation Technology's bias. We 
>>>> used to state our bias all the time on Twitter but not so much on the list.
>>>> 
>>>> Liberation Technology's bias has long been that we believe in rights-based 
>>>> pragmatism, that is, we believe in supporting the use of technology 
>>>> (anthropologically defined) to foster public goods that protect or advance 
>>>> the rights enshrined in the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights at 
>>>> http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/ 
>>>> <http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/>.
>>>> 
>>>> Should you have any questions or concerns, please feel free to share them 
>>>> with me privately or with the group publicly.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Yosem
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Re: [liberationtech] My Venezuela Post

[Sky (Jim Schuyler)]

There are any number of us who would be able to read a message in Spanish, so 
I'd urge you to go ahead and post both in your most comfortable language, plus 
translation because of the list's stated common language. I subscribe to some 
ES+EN lists and find this kind of practice to be very helpful. I wouldn't 
myself post (or answer you) in Spanish because of my limited capability, but 
I'd be happy to read what you have to say in its original language!

I certainly can understand how it might feel difficult to express subtleties in 
a second language — I have that problem myself.

—Sky

> On Jan 27, 2019, at 12:10 PM, Cristina (99)  > wrote:
> 
> What i don't see as something friendly -and sorry about it- is to discuss 
> this terrible moment in English.
> I know the list is in that language, but a lot of us are South Americans, 
> living this from Latin America, and having to translate our opinions (even 
> between us) to a foreign language. I feel it a bit weird, sorry again. 
> And this is sooo strong for us (as imply a key point to all the region) that 
> it's very difficult to express it in English. At least It's one of the 
> reasons I remain in silence.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Cristina (99)
> 
> On 27/1/19 17:24, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes wrote:
>> I don’t think your post was “political editorializing” at all! And I’m a 
>> Venezuelan citizen that tries to keep out of the toxic political talk in and 
>> on Venezuela. Life is NOT politics, and history and facts transcend 
>> ideologies, often used to mask or justify untenable and immoral social 
>> realities maintained by governments and other power brokers.
>> 
>> Regards / Saludos / Grato
>> 
>> Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes
>> 
>> On Jan 27, 2019, at 2:07 PM, Yosem Companys > > wrote:
>> 
>>> It has been brought to my attention that some of you felt that my email on 
>>> Reymar Perdomo was excessive editorializing on behalf of Liberation 
>>> Technology in favor of a political group against others.
>>> 
>>> I'd like to apologize to all of those who saw my email in that light, 
>>> though in hindsight I understand how my email could be misconstrued in that 
>>> way. But I was only trying to make two points:
>>> First, that we forget that music can sometimes serve as a Liberation 
>>> Technology; and,
>>> Second, that the plight of migrants and refugees is an issue of concern for 
>>> Liberation Technology.
>>> In this context, I'd like to reiterate Liberation Technology's bias. We 
>>> used to state our bias all the time on Twitter but not so much on the list.
>>> 
>>> Liberation Technology's bias has long been that we believe in rights-based 
>>> pragmatism, that is, we believe in supporting the use of technology 
>>> (anthropologically defined) to foster public goods that protect or advance 
>>> the rights enshrined in the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights at 
>>> http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/ 
>>> .
>>> 
>>> Should you have any questions or concerns, please feel free to share them 
>>> with me privately or with the group publicly.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Yosem
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Re: [liberationtech] The rigging of voting machines?

[Sky (Jim Schuyler)]

Joseph would you be sure to point us at some informed material on this issue? 
I'd really like to read about it, having been out of touch with this exact 
issue for a long time.

In the Zetter article I see an admission of something that was done up until 
2007, which many of us had read at the time and thought "WFT?" So the article 
seems to be writing about a situation more than 10 years ago, as if it were 
commonplace today in 2018, although of course it doesn't explicitly say that.

Our systems in San Francisco are paper mark-sense ballots that are scanned, but 
there is paper at the start of the process, which is preserved as an audit 
mechanism. After that the process is opaque to us.

Increased attention to using only the necessary software on the voting machines 
and airgapping I thought was de-rigeur after the admissions of the early 2000s. 
I would love to be able to respond in an informed way when my friends ask me 
about this question.

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> On Jul 18, 2018, at 8:58 PM, Joseph Lorenzo Hall  <mailto:j...@cdt.org>> wrote:
> 
> I'm quoted in the Zetter article, did my PhD at Berkeley hacking voting 
> machines, have been working on this for fifteen years and this thread is 
> already ridiculous after just two posts.
> 
> Please take the opportunity to do your homework before thinking any of what 
> you've written below is true.
> 
> I know it sounds snarky for me to respond like I'm about to but Matt Blaze 
> summed it up well today with this:
> 
> https://twitter.com/mattblaze/status/1019671716119896064?s=21 
> <https://twitter.com/mattblaze/status/1019671716119896064?s=21>
> "I should have realized that our decades of focused experience working on 
> this exact problem would be no match for your gut reaction after reading 
> about it on the Internet. Why didn't you tell us sooner?"
> 
> I'm usually not this pointy, so I'll apologize now. Best wishes, Joe
> 
> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 21:36 Douglas Lucas  <mailto:d...@riseup.net>> wrote:
> A crucial topic, thanks for posting Yosem. There's no reason to expect
> one's vote in the United States counts, given our corporate,
> proprietary, closed-source computerized voting. The standard should be
> paper ballots handcounted in public, as in Germany
> https://www.dw.com/en/german-election-volunteers-organize-the-voting-and-count-the-ballots/a-40562388
>  
> <https://www.dw.com/en/german-election-volunteers-organize-the-voting-and-count-the-ballots/a-40562388>
> and Netherlands
> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/01/world/europe/netherlands-hacking-concerns-hand-count-ballots.html
>  
> <https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/01/world/europe/netherlands-hacking-concerns-hand-count-ballots.html>
> 
> One would expect the transparency, free/open source software movement
> nonprofits to be all over this topic, but it's typically crickets, I
> guess because it's seen as loony bin third rail stuff. Good books to
> read on the subject -- which include recommendations for action --
> include Bev Harris' BlackBoxVoting.org <http://blackboxvoting.org/> and 
> Jonathan D. Simon's
> codered2014.com/ <http://codered2014.com/> (the books basically have the same 
> titles as the websites).
> 
> Douglas
> 
> On 07/18/18 13:58, Yosem Companys wrote:
> > Seems like an issue that goes to the heart of democracy and its
> > survival in the 21st century:
> > 
> > https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/mb4ezy/top-voting-machine-vendor-admits-it-installed-remote-access-software-on-systems-sold-to-states
> >  
> > <https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/mb4ezy/top-voting-machine-vendor-admits-it-installed-remote-access-software-on-systems-sold-to-states>
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Re: [liberationtech] Call for action: Please encrypt a file and send it

[Sky (Jim Schuyler)]

On the winzip idea - really good idea. I use “Betterzip” on OSX and it also has 
options to use 7z and AES encryption when compressing files.

Enigmail and GPGTools have both also been suggested to Jens as ways to directly 
mail an encrypted file.

I extensively use PGP-encrypted mail (GPGTools.org <http://gpgtools.org/>) with 
Mail.app on OSX and my first take was to just attach a file to an encrypted 
email because it’s so easy to do. The tools integrate directly into the emailer 
software. Have also used Enigmail, but it’s not my mainstay.

However, it’s slightly less obvious how to “encrypt a file.” With GPGTools on 
OSX there is a context-sensitive Services menu addition that allows encryption 
and decryption of files in the Finder. One can encrypt to a PGP key, or set of 
PGP keys (and add your own key to the mix), or can encrypt using a password, so 
no PGP keys will be necessary upon receipt. (However, you have to have the 
software installed - just don’t have to generate or import any keys.)

—Sky

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> On Feb 1, 2018, at 4:31 PM, Privacy Maverick  <mailto:r...@privacymaverick.com>> wrote:
> 
> I'm not saying this is the best, but WinZip supports AES and it's
> fairly widely used. It's free for 10 days. I think 7z is fully free and
> it supports AES as well. http://www.7-zip.org/7z.html 
> <http://www.7-zip.org/7z.html>
> 
> Jason
> 
> 
> On Fri, 2018-02-02 at 00:45 +0100, Jens Kubieziel wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> recently I thought about a small task regarding encryption which I
>> give
>> to a class. One idea which comes to mind is to encrypt a file.
>> However
>> when I thought a bit about it, it seemed not so easy. I'm not aware
>> of
>> an easy-to-use software which does the task. But to test my theory I
>> put
>> out a call for action and asked people to encrypt a file and send it
>> to
>> me:
>> https://kubieziel.de/blog/archives/1633-Call-for-action-Please-send-m 
>> <https://kubieziel.de/blog/archives/1633-Call-for-action-Please-send-m>
>> e-an-encrypted-file.html
>> I received some answers so far:
>> https://vereinte.verwirrung.institute/p/FEE2018
>> 
>> However I hope my call reaches more people and I get more results.
>> Thatswhy I wanted to ask you to either send me a file or forward this
>> request. I'll update the pad above and will later write a longer
>> article
>> about it.
>> 
>> Thanks a lot,
>> 
>> -- 
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Re: [liberationtech] bulk sms

[Sky (Jim Schuyler)]

Oops, I believe we experienced 10 outbound SMS per minute, not per second. 
Whichever it was, it was a barrier for our application.

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On Jan 2, 2015, at 11:31 AM, Sky (Jim Schuyler)  wrote:

> I have found email-to-SMS gateways work very well in the US. There were 
> hiccups initially (10 years ago), but now they are rapid and delivery is 
> reliable. For medium-volume, I like it that they are free to the sender. 
> 
> Yes, you have to ask each recipient in advance who their carrier is, in order 
> to correctly address the message. I have not found any automated solution 
> that “discovers” the carrier corresponding to a phone number.
> 
> I have also found that outgoing SMS (was) is limited to about 10 messages per 
> second by some US carriers, so be aware of this if you are attempting to send 
> via an actual phone connected to a computer. This was true more than 5 years 
> ago, which is my last datapoint. Because of the way SMS is actually carried 
> on the cell network, this may in fact be a limitation of the available SMS 
> bandwidth for a single phone. That’s why we switched over to email-to-SMS 
> years ago.
> 
> -Sky
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 2, 2015, at 7:19 AM, Nathan of Guardian  
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Jan 1, 2015, at 12:58 PM, Nathan of Guardian wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jan 1, 2015, at 11:41 AM, Richard Brooks wrote:
>>>> Anyone willing to share experiences on setting up
>>>> (or using) an Internet to SMS interface...
>>> 
>>> What about using an Android phone as the gateway device/SMS sender?
>>> There are a lot of solutions out there for that, and experience in this
>>> community deploying them.
>>> 
>>> http://smssync.ushahidi.com for example
>> 
>> Here are a few more examples:
>> 
>> https://github.com/anjlab/android-sms-gateway
>> https://github.com/niryariv/KalSMS
>> 
>> All in all, if your volume is not crazy high, it is the easiest way to
>> support pretty much any network in the world, as long as you have a
>> place to keep a phone safe and charged in the local area.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [liberationtech] bulk sms

[Sky (Jim Schuyler)]

I have found email-to-SMS gateways work very well in the US. There were hiccups 
initially (10 years ago), but now they are rapid and delivery is reliable. For 
medium-volume, I like it that they are free to the sender. 

Yes, you have to ask each recipient in advance who their carrier is, in order 
to correctly address the message. I have not found any automated solution that 
“discovers” the carrier corresponding to a phone number.

I have also found that outgoing SMS (was) is limited to about 10 messages per 
second by some US carriers, so be aware of this if you are attempting to send 
via an actual phone connected to a computer. This was true more than 5 years 
ago, which is my last datapoint. Because of the way SMS is actually carried on 
the cell network, this may in fact be a limitation of the available SMS 
bandwidth for a single phone. That’s why we switched over to email-to-SMS years 
ago.

-Sky

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On Jan 2, 2015, at 7:19 AM, Nathan of Guardian  
wrote:

> 
> 
> On Thu, Jan 1, 2015, at 12:58 PM, Nathan of Guardian wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Jan 1, 2015, at 11:41 AM, Richard Brooks wrote:
>>> Anyone willing to share experiences on setting up
>>> (or using) an Internet to SMS interface...
>> 
>> What about using an Android phone as the gateway device/SMS sender?
>> There are a lot of solutions out there for that, and experience in this
>> community deploying them.
>> 
>> http://smssync.ushahidi.com for example
> 
> Here are a few more examples:
> 
> https://github.com/anjlab/android-sms-gateway
> https://github.com/niryariv/KalSMS
> 
> All in all, if your volume is not crazy high, it is the easiest way to
> support pretty much any network in the world, as long as you have a
> place to keep a phone safe and charged in the local area.
> 
> 
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Re: [liberationtech] Can HAM radio be used for communication between health workers in rural areas with no cell connectivity?

[Sky (Jim Schuyler)]

Nice, Erich.

In a sense, radio waves are the -ultimate- in liberation, crossing national 
boundaries in (single or multiple) bounds. That may be a subrosa reason 
governments fight so hard to control them. That is clearly why some shortwave 
broadcasts are jammed. It's why the amateur service was cut off during WWII. 
That's also my conclusion about why amateurs are not allowed to use codes and 
ciphers (speaking of US here). And many amateurs are so blasted conservative 
politically, but I don't know why that is! This is experimentation, and 
tinkering, and hacking, and potentially liberation, but in the electronics 
sphere. There is a ton of potential that should not be ignored.

Much as an interest in sci-fi may lead to certain kinds of mindsets, 
experimentation and curiosity, an interest in amateur radio is frequently 
correlated with an interest in other people, other cultures, science, 
engineering, electronics, software and other skills that can be immensely 
valuable to our efforts.

There are certainly lots more folks on the list who have licenses, and there 
are lots of amateur operators who aid liberation technologies without 
advertising it.

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On Mar 7, 2013, at 9:50 AM, "Erich M."  wrote:

> On 03/07/2013 09:26 AM, Griffin Boyce wrote:
>>  How far is the distance being covered, and in what kind of terrain (flat
>> plains, hills)? HAM might not even be necessary if it's fairly close
>> (relatively speaking).  GMRS radios can cover several miles.  Other
>> small/cheap handhelds can cover a couple of miles in ideal conditions.
> 
> Think I can add a few bits of info here. Of course are these analog
> walkie talkies an absolute no go if you have to relay sensible information.
> 
> But ham operators _can_ help with their skills and Know-how. Here in AT
> our ham radio club - my callsign is OE3EMB - operates a nationwide
> wireless broadband backbone ring using TCP/IP. The ring is connected to
> the German HAMnet, the network reaches from Southern Italy to
> Scandinavia already. Self built self owned.
> 
> This is in German but there is an infrastucture graph
> http://wiki.oevsv.at/index.php?title=Kategorie:Digitaler_Backbone
> 
> This is English showing the German HAMnet in 2009
> http://kb9mwr.blogspot.co.at/2009/12/german-hsmm-hamnet-20.html
> 
> Essential is the availability of electrical power, of course. If that is
> a tribal areal area I have some doubts.
> 
> Components are off the shelf outdoor WiFI routers. The backbone operates
> in the 5 GHz WiFi band with directed antennas. At 5 GHz a much higher
> power output ist allowed than on 2,4 GHz which is used to distribute
> locally.
> All in all the whole network consumes rather little power, one unit or
> node - WiFi-Router and two planar directional antennas - is around USD
> 200 or less.
> 
> The antennas MUST look into "each others eye" that is another
> difficulty. But if so you can bridge 20 kilometers safely using 4-7
> stations, depending on terrain, offering 50 Mbit/sec - conservative
> calculation.
> 
> - The net works like the internet, whether connected to the internet at
> some single node, or without that.
> 
> - There is neither a problem with encryption nor with licenses. This
> part of the frequency spectrum is open. Everbody can use it for wireless
> broadband purposes.
> my two Groschen and 73s
> de
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Re: [liberationtech] Can HAM radio be used for communication between health workers in rural areas with no cell connectivity?

[Sky (Jim Schuyler)]

Thanks, Bernard for the info on APRS. I am out of date as I don't use it.

You are especially right that here in the US it's easy to get a Technician 
license, which is the entry-level amateur license issued by the FCC. It takes 
maybe 3 hours of study and a 30-minute test. I'd guess you have something 
similar in Ireland and most of Europe.

Dr. Dey, could we know the country in which you're considering using this 
approach? That would help us understand the licensing structure there. And also 
the distances you are talking about. Are the tribal areas 20 miles from 
reliable cellular service or are they 200 miles out?

If you prefer to handle it off-list, it looks like there are a few people who 
would be interested.

I am checking this HamSphere that is mentioned, and I don't see that it's 
actually using radio anywhere. It appears to "simulate" an amateur radio 
station but use the Internet for communication. Not enough time to download and 
test this today.

So in terms of offering even a partial solution, perhaps figuring out whether 
amateur radio could be provided in some inexpensive way to these out-of-the-way 
areas would be of interest. Could locals become licensed? Could radio equipment 
be available at an affordable price? Could "itinerant" operators do the job on 
motorcycles? Etc. If so, then more complex messages could certainly be 
transmitted and there would be a wider window to the world from the remote 
locations. The original question asked about "voice" so the fact that I (or 
others) diverted this to digital modes may be, in fact, just a diversion.

The Byzantium Project folks (wi-fi mesh) have some amateur operators among 
their numbers and might also have opinions on how easy it is to get folks 
licensed, and also on "edge" connections of mesh and other networks to amateurs 
(which is severely limited by law). My take is that even though hams tend to 
think it's easy to get a license, there are significant (maybe psychological) 
barriers to entry. Maybe it's just that mobile phones provide so many of the 
same benefits without the licensure hassle?

Some of the people on this list know how wi-fi can be provisioned over fairly 
long distances using high-gain antennas and mesh software. It seems to me that 
this might be an interesting way to go about getting real Internet 
connectivity. I've been on the list a couple of years and heard only sporadic 
conversation about using long-distance wi-fi as a liberating technology. An 
example of a regional network that I've known since 2005 is airjaldi.com in 
northern India, but I know there are others in Africa, South/East Asia and 
South America. They aren't necessarily formed to liberate people from 
governmental oppression, but they are providing much-needed connections for 
their remote communities.

(Switching back to my proper email address for this reply)

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On Mar 6, 2013, at 1:51 PM, Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb  wrote:

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> Howdy AA6AX,
> 
> Nice to meet you.
> 
> On 6 Mar 2013, at 21:09, Sky (Jim Schuyler) wrote:
> 
>> Your APRS idea is interesting and I only know it from the "positioning" 
>> side, not from passing any text, so you may want to continue looking into 
>> it. I do not know that APRS is currently passing any traffic other than 
>> positions, at least as used in the US. I also do not know whether it's used 
>> outside the US. Please do remember that APRS and most other amateur digital 
>> service are not designed to be "reliable" which means they may not "try 
>> again" to pass a message and the message may become garbled in transmission. 
>> Some do attempt to error-correct, but not most.
> 
> Not strictly true. APRS clients can be configured to send messages and retry 
> for X attempts. Then it will give up.
> 
> Seeing as SMS transmission isn't even guaranteed, I think its a pretty good 
> attempt for a system that has been developed totally for free! :)
> 
> 
>> Even most amateur radio digital protocols do not have very robust 
>> error-correction, so they're a bit iffy.
> 
> That is true.
> 
>> Easiest to expand: maybe and maybe not. You have to have a stable of radio 
>> operators available both locally and remotely. (Presuming you want 
>> information to go from somewhere to somewhere.)
> 
> If as Dr. Dey requested both sides of the communications were between health 
> workers and their HQ, you could train up all the health workers and possibly 
> even employ a "net controller" (amateur radio lingo for person who sits in HQ 
> and is in contact w

Re: [liberationtech] Can HAM radio be used for communication between health workers in rural areas with no cell connectivity?

[Sky (Jim Schuyler)]

Your APRS idea is interesting and I only know it from the "positioning" side, 
not from passing any text, so you may want to continue looking into it. I do 
not know that APRS is currently passing any traffic other than positions, at 
least as used in the US. I also do not know whether it's used outside the US. 
Please do remember that APRS and most other amateur digital service are not 
designed to be "reliable" which means they may not "try again" to pass a 
message and the message may become garbled in transmission. Some do attempt to 
error-correct, but not most.

Some more observations on your criteria:

Low-cost: maybe. Each operator has to have equipment which generally runs 
USD$500 to many thousands. Also Android is low cost if you have some kind of 
connection to the radio operator. So the "last mile" or "first mile" depending 
on how you look at it, is not expensive. But you said tribal areas, so I don't 
know what your challenges would be on that count.

Reliable: amateur radio has varying reliability, and it is easily interfered 
with if someone wants to do that. In planning emergency operations we take into 
account that there may be malicious interference even during an emergency. Even 
most amateur radio digital protocols do not have very robust error-correction, 
so they're a bit iffy.

Easiest to expand: maybe and maybe not. You have to have a stable of radio 
operators available both locally and remotely. (Presuming you want information 
to go from somewhere to somewhere.)

Without a telco: Yes for the amateur portion at least.

Without licensing: Although I encourage folks to become amateur radio 
operators, they do need to be licensed. The government that giveth it can 
taketh it away at the stroke of a pen. I will skip saying more right now.

Also I note in your original statement that you are talking about "tribal 
areas" with poor connectivity. Your challenge is going to be getting your 
signal from the tribal area to a reliable amateur radio operator. That's unless 
the radio operator is already in the tribal area. If the cell phone can's 
connect, then amateur VHF and UHF probably wouldn't work either, so you'd have 
to rely upon HF with longer range but much greater variability in terms of 
signal propagation.
 
>

Keep in mind that amateur radio is a point-to-point service subject to the 
vagaries of radio propagation. In other words, there is no reliable path 24/7 
from one point to another unless you're using prearranged VHF or UHF 
frequencies and line of sight propagation. Commonly for emergency ops we 
arrange all of this in advance and have emergency power and operators trained, 
and frequencies and modes chosen. For HF propagation there is no guarantee your 
message will get through because "the bands may be dead."

We've been thinking here (San Francisco) of linking amateur packet radio with 
local mesh wi-fi (see Byzantium Project for example) to transfer some traffic 
in semi-automated ways during emergency, but this is a long way from actual 
implementation. The Byzantium folks are on this list and can comment.

HF: high frequency (meaning roughly 1mHz to many gHz, which is reliant upon 
ionospheric conditions for signal propagation
VHF: very high frequency (generally 100mHz to 150mHz) line of sight mostly, 
with repeaters being generally used
UHF: ultra… (generally 200mHz and up) line of sight mostly, and repeaters
APRS: Automatic Packet Reporting System (a digital position-reportig protocol 
used on certain amateur frequencies)

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On Mar 6, 2013, at 12:08 PM, Ali-Reza Anghaie  wrote:

> I'm assuming privacy issues are of minimal concern given the other problems 
> at play here - I could be wrong but bear with me.
> 
> Trying to think of lowest-cost, reliable, easiest to expand and re-deploy 
> without a telco or other licensing.
> 
> I wonder is a low-bandwidth text HF APRS 
> (http://www.aprs.org/aprs-messaging.html) option with a laminated deck of 
> shorthand medical terms would be a reasonable remote field option? About as 
> rudimentary as you get but considering a worst case scenario - it might just 
> work. -Ali
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Sky (Jim Schuyler)  wrote:
> Since "HAM" (amateur radio) is real radio, not phone, an Android app wouldn't 
> use it directly. The app might -control- an amateur radio remotely, and there 
> is software available to do this. However, I'm not sure what benefit it would 
> bring to this project.
> 
> In the US, amateur radio operators must send all information in "clear text,&quo

Re: [liberationtech] Can HAM radio be used for communication between health workers in rural areas with no cell connectivity?

[Sky (Jim Schuyler)]

Since "HAM" (amateur radio) is real radio, not phone, an Android app wouldn't 
use it directly. The app might -control- an amateur radio remotely, and there 
is software available to do this. However, I'm not sure what benefit it would 
bring to this project.

In the US, amateur radio operators must send all information in "clear text," 
and encryption is illegal, thus you would not want to try to exchange medical 
info because you'd need to encrypt it. In other countries it -should- be 
illegal to transmit medical info in the clear, so I'd suggest avoiding this.

Also, "high frequency" amateur radio doesn't have sufficient bandwidth to 
transfer much digital information. VHF/UHF does in theory, but in general 
amateur radio operators restrict their bandwidth and the maximum usable 
transfer rate is under 9600 baud. i.e. very slow.

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On Mar 5, 2013, at 5:47 PM, ITechGeek  wrote:

> Depends on what information you might be transmitting and the specific
> laws of the local country/countries involved.
> 
> HAMs have to be licensed through the local countries licensing
> authority (in the case of the US would be the FCC).
> 
> Under US you could probably get away with allowing them to coordinate
> if it is non-profit in nature, but you would not be able to discuss
> any medical information that would allow a third party to possibly
> identify the patient.
> 
> And some countries are very restrictive on who can get HAM licenses
> due to the potential to get around their propaganda controls.  Also
> rules can change based on frequencies being used cause lower
> frequencies can transmit further.
> 
> Can you provide the country or countries involved?
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> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 8:07 PM, Yosem Companys  wrote:
>> From: Dr. Tusharkanti Dey 
>> 
>> Dear All,
>> 
>> I am proposing to set up a ICT based health project in tribal areas with 
>> poor infrastructural facilities with poor cell phone connectivity due to 
>> unstable signal strengths. i have learnt that HAM radio software from 
>> HamSphere is downloadable on android phones.I would like to know whether 
>> these android phones with HAM radio software installed can be used for 
>> communication used for voice communication between health workers themselves 
>> and with head quarter staff. Will it be legally permissible and what 
>> technical requirements will be needed to set up such system. The other 
>> alternative of setting up of mobile signal boosters or long distance WiFi 
>> hubs are currently not affordable to our limited resource organisation
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Dr.Tusharkanti Dey
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Re: [liberationtech] Gmail SSL Certificate Churn?

[Sky (Jim Schuyler)]

Rapidly means several days to a week for google.com. We (Cyberspark.net) watch 
the Google.com SSL certs (not gmail) and it takes at least a few days as they 
roll new certs onto multiple IP addresses (round robin DNS). I have only 
monitored this for the last two years, but it's been the same both years. I 
have never understood why they don't or can't deploy the new certs more 
rapidly, and it does set off repeated alarms within our systems. But as long as 
they are valid and properly signed we just watch and smile.

DNS rotates the address for Google.com among a number of IP addresses, and they 
don't update all of those servers at the same time, so it appears to our 
monitors as "thrashing" back and forth between the old and the new certs.

I wonder if anyone in the group knows whether there's any good reason they 
should or shouldn't push new certs on all machines at the same time?

(Nick -- would like to see what you have online, but won't blast thru a 
certificate warning. Perhaps you have it somewhere else.)

-Sky


On Jan 12, 2013, at 2:57 PM, John Adams  wrote:

> Additionally, while you're complaining about other people's SSL certificates, 
> you should fix yours. :)
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 2:54 PM, John Adams  wrote:
> Google has stated publically that they rapidly roll their SSL certificates. 
> Nothing to see here, no blog post to write, move along now...
> 
> -j
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Nick M. Daly  wrote:
> Hi folks, can you help me understand how to interpret this data?  It
> appears that Gmail's SSL certificate changed fairly frequently during
> the month of December.  That seems wrong to me.  What's this all mean?
> 
> https://www.betweennowhere.net/blog/2013/01/gmails-changing-ssl-certificates/
> 
> The weirdest part isn't how the 0E:66... certificate disappeared on
> November 20th (or December 5th), but how it came back into circulation
> on or around December 20th.
> 
> Thanks for any clarification you can offer on this situation,
> Nick
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Re: [liberationtech] Avaaz, is this for real?

[Sky (Jim Schuyler)]

Yeah, maybe that's a plausible scenario, but then they need to rethink how they 
handle corporate communications. The information and appeals sound paranoid and 
hysterical. Perhaps "unbelievable" is an even better word.

Look, we're all speculating...so until someone at Avaaz is willing to talk 
about facts, figures and timing, we won't know.

That said, in my experience prudent security folks would not trumpet an attack 
to the world so early in the process -- they would take the time to monitor and 
investigate, and then report the facts, if they chose to do that at all. 
Certain types of attacks (and penetrations particularly) you would report, but 
it serves no purpose to report DDoS's that are successfully thwarted. And 
attribution, if possible at all, lies in wait a long distance down the trail. 
In this case the speculation came first and was used to amp up the fundraising. 
That doesn't sound naïve to me -- it sounds purposeful and also "odd" They 
should know better.

I see things happening all the time that would "look like" a DDoS to 
inexperienced people, when in fact they are just  "a bad weather day on the 
net."  So I also agree with others that if the attack was as massive as they 
say, it would have caused a disruption in the force that other people would 
have noticed.

-Sky


On May 4, 2012, at 12:48 PM, Sahar Massachi wrote:

> I'm a bit concerned about all the muttering about Avaaz's sensationalism. 
> 
> Please correct me if I'm misunderstanding something, but the following 
> scenario seems pretty plausible to me: 
> 
> The Avaaz site comes under some sort of attack. The tech team at Avaaz gives 
> a quick "idiots guide" to what's going on to their communications team, and 
> then goes back to trying to deal with the problem. The communications team 
> has a partially confused understanding of exactly what's going on, but tries 
> to deal with the situation as best they can. When technically minded 
> journalists want to talk to Avaaz, the communications staff doesn't want to 
> bother their still-hard-at-work tech team, so they give unsatisfying, vague, 
> and unhelpful replies to these journalists". 
> 
> Am I missing something?
> 
> On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Miles Fidelman  
> wrote:
> Steve Weis wrote:
> "...globally-distributed botnet of thousands of computers..."
> 
> Someone could rent thousands of botnet agents for two days for a couple 
> hundred dollars:
> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/security/study-finds-the-average-price-for-renting-a-botnet/6528
> 
> "Avaaz does not have any further information about who is behind it..."
> 
> They were claiming that this was an attack so sophisticated and massive that 
> it could have only been perpetrated by a nation state or large corporation, 
> yet they have no further information about who was behind it? I think they 
> hyped it up to drive fundraising.
> 
> 
> Particularly since nothing about it has shown up on any of the usual system 
> admin, network admin, or security related lists.
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