Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please?
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 21:22:46 -0500 From: Pres Waterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? I don't have a caliper. The drive I just won is a 4.3GB MK4309MAT ( now THAT is strictly from memory ) and I don't know if it is a 8.56 or a 9.5mm since it is the drive that "caused all the trouble" as per the dead L50's previous owner, probably it IS the 9.5mm size... and it seems to have fried physically and BEEN fried electrically by the dead Libretto, since IT causes a "HDC error" in every latop I have slded it into also... luckily Toshiba is repairing it under warranty. So, if you wanted to trade it ( when it is returned ) for a 6GB working 9.5mm drive I would consider it. But if it is also 9.5mm, what's the point for you? Anyway, next go-around should be simplex between us... 73 Thanks Pres Waterman, W2PW c/o 112 Motors, LLC Long Island Ford, Kia and Used Dealer GO BILLS! ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
RE: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please?
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 13:12:24 -0600 From: "phillip ramirez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? Well I know my libby got damn hot when I booted and before I shut off everything that starts auto when I loaded win98se.. And then put an idler on it.. The thing got so hot the wifi card seemed like it was about to melt the plastic. I can see that causing damage because of the heat.. I have been thinking of using heat sink paste on the hard drive to see if the case will cool it down a little better.. Next thing to do is to create some sort of fan holder that will be powered by the serial port -Original Message- From: Raymond [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 2:03 AM To: Libretto Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 15:54:11 +0800 From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? At 11:45 PM 1/03/2002 -0800, you wrote: >Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 07:38:04 + >From: T i m <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? > >Hi Neil, > >neil barnes wrote: > >It appears that the mobo is more flexible than is good for it. It also > >> appears that the 50 case and the 70 case (which had the fatter drive) >> are >> *not* identical to each other, although they will work on either machine >> with a little filing around the hole where the expansion port pokes through. >> >> Neil >> > >[T] So, would I be right in assuming I would be 'safer' finding myself >an 8.x mm drive and fitting that, rather than risking my new 'baby' on >a big fat nasty board cracking 9.5mm monster? IMHO this is much ado about nothing. If the drive slides in with minimal pressure then unless you angle the drive upwards whilst inserting it you can't do any damage. I think what is most likely happening with some people's drives is either their drives have screws or labels that sit slightly proud of the surface and are lifting the drives up (hence putting pressure on the motherboard), the black plastic under the motherboard is slightly wrinkled (again pressure on the motherboard) or they've not fully cleaned all the gunk from between the lower plastic sheet and the case (eg. the residue of the adhesive of the spacers). Also, some people remove the spacers by ripping them out through the side of the case and not by taking the mobo out to get to them, for them its real easy to miss the spacer at the far end so that may also be a factor. If you remove the plastic sheet on the bottom and the spacers you should be fine. You'll definitely be fine if the hard drive is loose enough for a drop fit. Hope this helps! - Raymond --- /~\ | | "Does fuzzy logic tickle?"| | ___ | "My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup?" | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | HTTP://www.raybot.net| | ICQ: 31756092 | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | \~/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest ** _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please?
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 14:57:20 + From: T i m <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? Hi Pres, Pres Waterman wrote: > > Well I have a 6GB 9.5mm in my L100 already. I have the original 777/810MB in > my map-dedicated L50. > > I'm not sure what you need... you have a 6GB 9.5mm and you want a 8.45? > Check the MK6014MAP, it may be 8.45mm! [T] Just did, it *measures* 9.5mm (vernier calliper) .. so, what I was asking/ suggesting is that I would 'like' a bigger capacity drive in my 50, I don't want the risk the "it may or may not wreck your libby" scenario and you suggested in a previous post that 8.x mm drives were still easily available (though others suggest they have not found it so?). So, my suggestion was (sorta half jokingly and thinking you might have other machines that were directly suitable for a 9.5mm drive) that you might like to swap the 4.3G drive you have just won with my 6G? If you don't need the 6G then maybe you would be interested to sell me the 4.3G or take the 810 in part x etc? > > > But I used Win98's DriveSpace to make it appear I still have over 400MB > free. I have maps of NY, VT, CT, and maybe FL in it. [T] Not sure what mapping software you use Pres but I find Mapsource is a bit graphics / processor hungry and therefore wouldn't want to burden the Libby with any disk compression utils if I could help it? > Thanks [T] All the best and thanks again ... T i m > > > Pres Waterman, W2PW [T] Is that a radio call sign Pres? (I'm G7ICW) or a mail add or summat? > > Long Island Ford [T] Still driving my 1983 Ford Sierra Estate (not sure you had that model in the States) and still run a Jeep looking kit-car based on a 1978 MkII ford Escort Sal (we built it about 13 years ago ... I like Fords ..easy/ cheap to fix and easy to run) ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please?
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 08:56:31 -0500 From: Pres Waterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? > > [T] So, you'll be wanting to swap the unusable (too small for your needs) 4.3G > HDD with a 6G one (MK6014MAP) (or some cash) to a needy fella 'over the pond' > won't you? (please!!) Well I have a 6GB 9.5mm in my L100 already. I have the original 777/810MB in my map-dedicated L50. I'm not sure what you need... you have a 6GB 9.5mm and you want a 8.45? Check the MK6014MAP, it may be 8.45mm! But I used Win98's DriveSpace to make it appear I still have over 400MB free. I have maps of NY, VT, CT, and maybe FL in it. Thanks Pres Waterman, W2PW c/o 112 Motors, LLC Long Island Ford, Kia and Used Dealer GO BILLS! ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please?
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 09:50:23 + From: T i m <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? Hi Pres n guys .. Firstly, that's for all the input, info, miss-info advice and flames generated by my simple and newbie (a Libby owner for 1 week) question! (I sorta wish I hadn't asked) ;-) Anyway, my little 50, is plodding away running W95 (OSR2) with its 810M (skinny) HDD with 266M free and most of the stuff on it that I actually bought it for .. in needs order .. My GPS route plotting prog with detailed maps of the UK (down to house numbers) My Digicam twain driver / util. My Palm Pilot (III) Hotsynch prog and Desktop App It's also got ZoneAlarm, ICQ, IE etc etc just in case I want to play .. I'm still testing the battery and may buy a hi cap one later. I've ordered a Mobility Air / Car adapter off eBay (USA) that should be with me soon (I figured 12V was the same in any country) I'm gonna make a 12V lead with 15V tricker for use when camping to run libby straight off the bike battery (not with the engine running). I'm gonna make / find a suitable 'stiff' box that I can put the libby in to protect it from impact and vibration whilst in a motorcycle trailer! I'm gonna try to find out why the Libby misbehaves whilst shutting down ... (sits there bleeping at me then hibernates, when it restarts the drive just 'clicks' and nothing happens ... etc etc). Apart from that ... having fun with the little beast .. oh and Pres .. Pres Waterman wrote: > a clean dead L50 with good screen, a mini-replicator AND floppy I needed > anyway, a 16MB RAM upgrade, a > power supply, 2 unopened mouse covers, a service manual, "and a 4.3GB 8.45mm > HDD" [T] So, you'll be wanting to swap the unusable (too small for your needs) 4.3G HDD with a 6G one (MK6014MAP) (or some cash) to a needy fella 'over the pond' won't you? (please!!) All the best and thanks again folks T i m in the UK (now realizing why I've been building desktop PC's for 20 years (and I don't care who knows it!)) > > ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please?
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 13:13:57 +0800 From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? OK LETS ALL JUST CHILL OUT HERE. FACT: Pres is acting in good faith as is everyone else who posts to this list. We all want to do our best to spread what we know and our experiences to others such that they may avoid the pitfalls we face. Pres is to be commended on not shrugging his shoulders and saying "Fine, destroy your libbys then" much earlier, the rest of us are to be commended for accepting what he says without degenerating into a flame war. As long as the debate remains cool and accusation free we've got good lively debate and lively debate expands our knowledge. Its started to degenerate a little into accusations of misinformation which I think is starting to get too far to be healthy for a list such as this. FACT: Pres has a point - it is quite easy to damage the motherboard. Given that laptop motherboards are a fraction of an mm thick and are more flexible than the components that sit on them, its quite possible for a warped motherboard to experience failure after a certain amount of bending or the same amount of bending over time. FACT: We have had a number of libbys die, presumably due to warped motherboards causing cracking of the RAM chips or their joints to the motherboard. These include libbys that die despite having their spacers removed. FACT: We also have a number of libbys that have successfully been upgraded and have been running for quite a while without problems. FACT: It IS possible to make the hard drives a loose fit in the libby 50CT and 100CT. So loose that they can slide in and out under their own weight. I'm guessing this also applies to the 70CT and 110CT. FACT: As it comes from the factory, the original 8.5mm hard drive is hardly such a loose fit in either of the 2 libbys I've seen with the spacers in place. This seems to indicate that the Toshiba engineers had expected there to be some contact pressure between the hard drive and the motherboard. FACT: If you've got a hard drive thats putting NO pressure on the motherboard, it will NOT cause mechanical delamination of the motherboard or cracking of component joints. The problem you *might* have is if the new hard drive runs hotter than the old one and the board was not rated for such a high temperature. Remember, the libby only has a temp sensor on the processor, not on the hard drive or motherboard. I don't think this is likely but it is possible. FACT: A LOT of things can cause delamination of the motherboard or cracking of the component joints. Just because a hard drive was swapped doesn't mean that caused the problem. Like I said, I've experienced almost the SAME thing on a Tecra 500CDT (cracked component joints under a board). I'm willing to think this was due to my excessively enthusiastic typing as the board is right under the keyboard. Its certainly got nothing to do with the hard drive which is a good 1.5cm under it (its a real thick laptop). Other factors include botched repairs or openings, mechanical stresses, warping of the case itself and so on. FACT: ANYONE who's executing a DIY job on such a laptop has to accept some risk of damage. If you wanted something guaranteed, take the laptop to a professional who will fit an 8.5mm hard drive into the side by unscrewing the one panel and will replace the laptop if it ends up destroying it. I agree with Pres in that this is the safest way of doing things. However one must ask is the premium for an 8.5mm hard drive, combined with the effort of getting one worth it? In places where 8.5mm hard drives are readily available I'd say go for it. The rest of us have no other option. I searched for a month and a half for ANY 8.5mm hard drive round here, there wasn't one to be had. Now I've taken measures to prevent mechanical pressure being put on the motherboard. I think these measures are quite sufficient based on the fact that there is no mechanical pressure being placed on the motherboard from the hard drive. Of course, I can't say that this will definitely not cause problems but I don't see how it can. People can take all this with as many grains of salt as they wish and in the light of the fact that apparently people HAVE had damaged motherboards after replacing their hard drives. *phew* and after all that I'm still calm! ;-) Anyways thats my 2 cents on the issue, if anyone wants to respond (in a measured and non-accusationary way) please do so in the list and not personally to me. That way its on the record and forms part of the lively discussion. - Raymond --- /~\ | | "Does fuzzy logic tickle?"| | ___ | "My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup?" |
RE: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please?
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 22:51:41 -0600 From: "phillip ramirez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? Tim The 9.5mm drive is fine.. Slap that bad boy in there.. -Original Message- From: T i m [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 4:06 PM To: Libretto Subject: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:58:04 + From: T i m <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? Hi All, So, little 50CT is doing well now with W95 (OSR2), loads of patches and updates, ZoneAlarm, ICQ, my GPS software, Palm Desktop, the Fuji Digital Camera twain driver etc etc. I've now got 266M of disk space free on the 810M drive and a 9.5mm Tosh HDD2144 sitting here looking at me? At 9.5mm thick, is this ok to fit inside the libby (washers out etc) or would I 'really' be better off buying a new sub 9mm drive of some sort? If so, where (in the UK) is the best place to get one from please? All the best and thanks from Libby and I .. T i m ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest ** _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please?
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 04:46:39 + From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? >Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 18:43:15 0500 >From: Pres Waterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>tonight. Though I saw a couple posts that seemed to indicate that their >>Libs were damaged in the process of inserting and removing the drive. >>I'll look a bit more, but I wonder what the percentage of successes to >>failures is over all is for people who didn't physically damage anything >>in the process of installing the drive. I'd guess that the percentage of >>successes must be relatively high.<< > >No! STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION.< > >The damage does not happen right away. You sliiide a drive in, use >it happily and call it a day. A year later you have a dead motherboard and >a really STUPID look on your face.< > >This is REAL. I have seen it. Cut it out. Break your own G-damned Libretto. >Don't tell others the "percentage of success is relatively high".< Pres... I certainly didn't, and don't mean to under estimate the validity of your experiences at all. And I didn't mean to make it seem in any way that I know with a 99.9% probability that the "percentage of success is relatively high." That's why I specifically used the qualifier, "I'd guess that.." I'm sorry if it sounded like I was absolutely certain. I certainly know that Ive got to be fairly down on the totem pole of knowledge related to computers, and Librettos in particular, in comparison to the many extremely experienced people on this list. Like all problem solving, a lot of guess work goes into the mix before the root causes are nailed down (Barnacly) and tested to a accepted degree of validity. The questions remain, is it specifically the 9.5mm HDD that causes older librettos to fail, or is it the process of installing it, or is it a combination of the two? If so, what is/are the interaction(s) between the HDD and Libretto that cause the failure? Are there other factors involved? Are these problems preventable? If so how? Etc. etc.. Were not going to answer all this any time soon. As has been pointed out, as folks who tinker with these little beasts, we generally access the odds of failure when we start repairing and customizing our systems, and accept the possibilities of our being wrong. Its good youve given people fair warning on the process of installing an oversized HDD having the potential of severely damaging their Librettos by relating your experiences Pres. The rest of us will just have to accept the odds one way or the other as we access them, and proceed to do whatever we decide to do, hopefully accepting the responsibility for the consequences. In the end you may very well be right Pres! Who knows? Gallup hasnt done a survey on this one yet. Any volunteers? Myself... I still lean towards Neils recent assessment on all this. Cheers, Matt (With apologies for my lack of being, in one word: C O N C I S E) I COULD use a good editor... ;-p _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.; ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please?
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 12:12:30 +0800 From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? Oh ya ... and ... At 07:46 PM 2/03/2002 -0800, you wrote: >Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 22:38:31 -0500 >From: Pres Waterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? > >... >Good combinations. Get back to me if the L50 dies of mysterious causes in >the future, having had the 9.5mm drive in it for a while. I think the ... umm ... 'after-market solder blobs' sitting on the motherboard after a failed microphone addition would be more likely to kill it ... or my filing away at the corner of the motherboard in an attempt to get the microphone to fit ... or my dodgy attempt at overclocking it to 100MHz then flooding the processor cavity with heat transfer compound ... or my sister dropping it down the stairs ;-) - Raymond --- /~\ | | "Does fuzzy logic tickle?"| | ___ | "My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup?" | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | HTTP://www.raybot.net| | ICQ: 31756092 | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | \~/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please?
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 12:07:44 +0800 From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? At 07:46 PM 2/03/2002 -0800, you wrote: >Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 22:38:31 -0500 >From: Pres Waterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? > >> >> Hey Pres, chill out here ... notice I came out and backed you on this one. > >It's a timing thing, I sent that, then saw you defending me, then I thanked >you... ya know how it goes, sorry 'tis OK, we've had a lot of out-of-step thingys happening ... I have a nasty habit of treating mailing lists like IRC and forgetting that the lag is measured in minutes and not seconds ;-) >NO, it's the thickness. Living in there. Day after day. Hot, cold, hot. It >breathes. It expands. It stresses the MB. Day. After. Day. Until one day... >no boot, HDC error, stupid look. Umm ... I think you still don't *quite* get it. Ya I know putting a 9.5mm hard drive into an 8.5mm hole is dumb. The current discussion relates to a 9.5mm thing living in a 9.55mm hole that used to be an 8.5mm hole before someone came along and made it bigger in ways that didn't stress the motherboard. I'm sure you'd agree that its quite possible to put a square peg into a round hole once you make the hole square ... > What I do NOT get however is how a 9.5mm hard drive can cause damage if >its a loose drop fit into the case (after removing all the necessary junk of >course). Perhaps you could shed some light on this one ... were the HDD's in >the failed libbys loose drop fits into the case or did they still need to be >pushed in with a reasonable amount of force? >> > >I would say the 9.5 feels proper, deceivingly and convincingly RIGHT, >slightly snug, like a glove, NO unreasonable force required to insert. Very >deadly. Hehe try almost no force at all. Like an oversized glove. >I am weary of this thread. Everyone please shove 9.5mm drives in their 50's >and when they die I will pay USD$75 for each and every one, provided I also >get the same accessories as I did just last week: a clean dead L50 with good >screen, a mini-replicator AND floppy I needed anyway, a 16MB RAM upgrade, a >power supply, 2 unopened mouse covers, a service manual, and a 4.3GB 8.45mm >HDD. > >Line forms on the left. I will wait. Ooh Ooh Ooh do I get all the libbys that die from other reasons? Line forms on my right, overflow into the carpark if necessary, feel free to pull faces at Pres as he waits for his set of libbys ;-) - Raymond --- /~\ | | "Does fuzzy logic tickle?"| | ___ | "My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup?" | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | HTTP://www.raybot.net| | ICQ: 31756092 | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | \~/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please?
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 22:38:31 -0500 From: Pres Waterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? > > Hey Pres, chill out here ... notice I came out and backed you on this one. It's a timing thing, I sent that, then saw you defending me, then I thanked you... ya know how it goes, sorry > > If you wanted to take THAT argument to its logical conclusion, we should all get our hard drives replaced professionally. ALL do-it-yourself hardware upgrades are risky. The amount of risk involved is directly proportional to the deviation of the upgrade from standard and inversely proportional to the upgrader's skill level. If you know what you're doing then you can afford to do slightly freaky things like solder to the motherboard or file away bits of case to make things fit. If you're not then you should stick to 8.5mm hard drives so you don't need to risk opening the case and removing the spacers. No. Because even a professional will screw up a too-fat HDD install. The thread has somehow magically decided that it's not the thickness at all, actually, it's the method of insertion. NO, it's the thickness. Living in there. Day after day. Hot, cold, hot. It breathes. It expands. It stresses the MB. Day. After. Day. Until one day... no boot, HDC error, stupid look. See? It's almost imperceptable. It could be as tiny a factor as the thickness of the glue on the label on the HDD. Hell, it could be the gyroscopic effects of the platter spinning. Cosmic rays! I don't give a hoot. > > What I do NOT get however is how a 9.5mm hard drive can cause damage if its a loose drop fit into the case (after removing all the necessary junk of course). Perhaps you could shed some light on this one ... were the HDD's in the failed libbys loose drop fits into the case or did they still need to be pushed in with a reasonable amount of force? > I would say the 9.5 feels proper, deceivingly and convincingly RIGHT, slightly snug, like a glove, NO unreasonable force required to insert. Very deadly. > - Raymond > > > P.S. FWIW my L50 now has a 8.5mm hard drive in it (my L100 came with an 8.5mm 2 gighard drive) and now belongs to my sister ... my L100 has the 9.5mm 20 gig hard drive that was in my L50, THAT is a REALLY REALLY loose drop fit, so loose that I'm tempted to put a (much thinner than normal) spacer under it so it doesn't wobble around quite as much as it does now. > Good combinations. Get back to me if the L50 dies of mysterious causes in the future, having had the 9.5mm drive in it for a while. Yes, the L100 is fine with a 9.5mm HDD. As has been pointed out, there are differences between a 50 and a 70, seemingly the same but not. I wonder where the Japanese-only 60 "fits" in ( sorry for the pun ). But there are no comparisons in this issue when you jump to a 1x0 series. I am weary of this thread. Everyone please shove 9.5mm drives in their 50's and when they die I will pay USD$75 for each and every one, provided I also get the same accessories as I did just last week: a clean dead L50 with good screen, a mini-replicator AND floppy I needed anyway, a 16MB RAM upgrade, a power supply, 2 unopened mouse covers, a service manual, and a 4.3GB 8.45mm HDD. Line forms on the left. I will wait. Thanks Pres Waterman, W2PW c/o 112 Motors, LLC Long Island Ford, Kia and Used Dealer GO BILLS! ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please?
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 11:14:53 +0800 From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? Oh ya, forgot to point out At 06:52 PM 2/03/2002 -0800, you wrote: >Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 21:42:32 -0500 >From: Pres Waterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? > >... > >and everyone else on this list trying to put 9.5mm of matter in an 8.45mm >hole GET? We're putting 9.5mm of matter into what is probably 9.55mm worth of hole after subtracting 1.1mm or so from the floor of said hole. Hows that math stack up? ;-) Certainly the 9.5mm hard drive in my L50 after removing that junk was looser than the original 8.5mm hard drive ... - Raymond --- /~\ | | "Does fuzzy logic tickle?"| | ___ | "My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup?" | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | HTTP://www.raybot.net| | ICQ: 31756092 | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | \~/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please?
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 10:56:08 +0800 From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? At 06:52 PM 2/03/2002 -0800, you wrote: >Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 21:42:32 -0500 >From: Pres Waterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? >... > >So, tell me, what don't I get about this? What doesn't Matthew and Raymond >and everyone else on this list trying to put 9.5mm of matter in an 8.45mm >hole GET? Hey Pres, chill out here ... notice I came out and backed you on this one. If you wanted to take THAT argument to its logical conclusion, we should all get our hard drives replaced professionally. ALL do-it-yourself hardware upgrades are risky. The amount of risk involved is directly proportional to the deviation of the upgrade from standard and inversely proportional to the upgrader's skill level. If you know what you're doing then you can afford to do slightly freaky things like solder to the motherboard or file away bits of case to make things fit. If you're not then you should stick to 8.5mm hard drives so you don't need to risk opening the case and removing the spacers. What I do NOT get however is how a 9.5mm hard drive can cause damage if its a loose drop fit into the case (after removing all the necessary junk of course). Perhaps you could shed some light on this one ... were the HDD's in the failed libbys loose drop fits into the case or did they still need to be pushed in with a reasonable amount of force? - Raymond P.S. FWIW my L50 now has a 8.5mm hard drive in it (my L100 came with an 8.5mm 2 gighard drive) and now belongs to my sister ... my L100 has the 9.5mm 20 gig hard drive that was in my L50, THAT is a REALLY REALLY loose drop fit, so loose that I'm tempted to put a (much thinner than normal) spacer under it so it doesn't wobble around quite as much as it does now. --- /~\ | | "Does fuzzy logic tickle?"| | ___ | "My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup?" | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | HTTP://www.raybot.net| | ICQ: 31756092 | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | \~/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please?
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 21:50:12 -0500 From: Pres Waterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? Thank you, Raymond... Now, where ARE my meds? Thanks Pres Waterman, W2PW c/o 112 Motors, LLC Long Island Ford, Kia and Used Dealer GO BILLS! ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please?
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 21:42:32 -0500 From: Pres Waterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? > > Pres, > > Chill out. Yours blew up, but there are a TON of people on this list that have > upgraded to 9.5mm drives without any problem whatsoever. > > You trying to make it sound like it happens to the majority? THAT'S spreading > misinformation. No, you tell a child a number of times not to play with fire and then let them get a little burned and they will learn. But you do not let the child tell all their friends how they just don't believe fire can hurt. Fact: I put a 9.x mm drive in a ( Japanese ) L50. Quite some time later it failed with characteristic symptoms that match others' experience. Fact: I took that same L50 back to Toshiba Japan, who was just about to replace the bad motheroard, more than a year out of warranty, until I opened my big mouth and mentioned it failed after I changed the HDD. They handed by piece of junk back to me. What do they know that some of us just don't get? Fact: I just recently got a second L50, WITH a non-original HDD that someone else put in, failed in exactly the same way. It is going to Neil for a look-see but I am sure it's terminal. Fact: Neil and I are some of the most experienced non-Japanese Libretto users on the planet. Neil has stated that he has never seen a fried Libretto with an original HDD, and every fried Libretto he has seen has had a changed HDD. So, tell me, what don't I get about this? What doesn't Matthew and Raymond and everyone else on this list trying to put 9.5mm of matter in an 8.45mm hole GET? PUT A PROPER SIZED HDD IN- THEY EXIST! Thanks Pres Waterman, W2PW c/o 112 Motors, LLC Long Island Ford, Kia and Used Dealer GO BILLS! ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please?
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 10:37:56 +0800 From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? At 06:20 PM 2/03/2002 -0800, you wrote: >Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 18:12:21 -0800 >From: "Tom Stangl, VFAQman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? > >Pres, > >Chill out. Yours blew up, but there are a TON of people on this list that have >upgraded to 9.5mm drives without any problem whatsoever. > >You trying to make it sound like it happens to the majority? THAT'S spreading >misinformation. Tom, Chill out mate! :-) ... Pres is just a responsible, concerned list member spreading his experiences ... we should appreciate all points of view and all possibilities :-) After all, millions of car trips are made per day, a minute percentage involve a crash yet the government still makes seatbelts compulsory ... The bottom line I guess is be as careful as you can and use whats practically available. 8.5mm hard drives are almost impossible to get nowadays ... since the main cause of failure (after careless mechanical fitting or ripping the mobo apart during removal) is pressure on the motherboard, as long as the hard drive is a loose slide fit (which is possible to achieve by removing the spacers AND the black plastic sheet) then there is no way in the world pressure can cause a problem. Which is not to say of course that Pres is wrong ... motherboards do die, its possible for pressure to be placed on the mobo due to case thats warped ever so slightly, a forgotten spacer, a wrinkled plastic shield, a manufacturer defect, excessively hard typing (yup I've done a mobo that way), a mistake during case disassembly, a slip during hard drive insertion or a glob of adhesive that happens to find its way to the wrong place ... remember, most of this is luck, some of us get luckier than others. Don't even get me started on Murphy's Law. - Raymond --- /~\ | | "Does fuzzy logic tickle?"| | ___ | "My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup?" | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | HTTP://www.raybot.net| | ICQ: 31756092 | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | \~/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please?
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 18:12:21 -0800 From: "Tom Stangl, VFAQman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? Pres, Chill out. Yours blew up, but there are a TON of people on this list that have upgraded to 9.5mm drives without any problem whatsoever. You trying to make it sound like it happens to the majority? THAT'S spreading misinformation. Pres Waterman wrote: > Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 18:43:15 -0500 > From: Pres Waterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? > > > tonight. Though I saw a couple posts that seemed to indicate that their > > Libs were damaged in the process of inserting and removing the drive. > I'll > > look a bit more, but I wonder what the percentage of successes to failures > > is over all is for people who didn't physically damage anything in the > > process of installing the drive. I'd guess that the percentage of > successes > > must be relatively high. > > No! STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION. > > The damage does not happen right away. You sliiide a drive in, use > it happily and call it a day. A year later you have a dead motherboard and a > really STUPID look on your face. > > This is REAL. I have seen it. Cut it out. Break your own G-damned Libretto. > Don't tell others the "percentage of success is relatively high". > > You are relatively high. > > Thanks > > Pres Waterman, W2PW > c/o 112 Motors, LLC > Long Island Ford, Kia and Used Dealer > > GO BILLS! > > ** > http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list > http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives > http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ > ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- > Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be > addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text > on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe > TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- > Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest > ** -- Tom Stangl ***http://www.vfaq.com/ ***DSM Visual FAQ home ***http://ba.dsm.org/ ***SF Bay Area DSMs ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please?
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 08:21:47 +0800 From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? At 01:47 PM 2/03/2002 -0800, you wrote: >Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 21:39:47 + >From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? > >>Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 16:56:48 +0800 >>From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? >> >>At 12:21 AM 2/03/2002 -0800, you wrote: >>>Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 08:12:56 +0000 >>>From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? >>> >>>... >>> >>>Matt >>> >>>(Do I need to be more concise? I received what appeared to be a complaint to that >affect in an anonymous email.) >> >>Bah ... look at my posts, they hardly qualify for concise! >> >>- Raymond > >Heh... I was wondering if you may have been another lucky recipient of such a >distinguished and learned critique Raymond... ;-P Nah I've never had one personally ... I've had at least one tell me in the list I was writing novels though! ;-) - Raymond --- /~\ | | "Does fuzzy logic tickle?"| | ___ | "My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup?" | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | HTTP://www.raybot.net| | ICQ: 31756092 | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | \~/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please?
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 18:43:15 -0500 From: Pres Waterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? > tonight. Though I saw a couple posts that seemed to indicate that their > Libs were damaged in the process of inserting and removing the drive. I'll > look a bit more, but I wonder what the percentage of successes to failures > is over all is for people who didn't physically damage anything in the > process of installing the drive. I'd guess that the percentage of successes > must be relatively high. No! STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION. The damage does not happen right away. You sliiide a drive in, use it happily and call it a day. A year later you have a dead motherboard and a really STUPID look on your face. This is REAL. I have seen it. Cut it out. Break your own G-damned Libretto. Don't tell others the "percentage of success is relatively high". You are relatively high. Thanks Pres Waterman, W2PW c/o 112 Motors, LLC Long Island Ford, Kia and Used Dealer GO BILLS! ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please?
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 08:12:50 +0800 From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? At 01:26 PM 2/03/2002 -0800, you wrote: >Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 21:19:45 + >From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? > >>Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 17:02:03 +0800 >>From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> >>>>If you remove the plastic sheet on the bottom and the spacers you should be fine. >You'll definitely be fine if the hard drive is loose enough for a drop fit.<< < >>> >>>Neil.. As I recall, you wrote that this large, dark, mylar-like sheet of plastic >should be re-fastened after removing the blue adhesive and clear plastic spacers... >No?< < >> >>I put it back simply because I couldn't be bothered removing the adhesive and I >didn't want the hdd sticking to the case ... I'll probably remove it in my L100 >because its getting too hot so it seems like better conduction through to the base >would be useful ...< > >Wasn't it you, or was it someone else who has expressed concern about the exposed >circuit board having the possibilty of shorting out against the exposed metal surface >left after removing that plastic sheet? That turned out to be the reason I decided >to re-fasten mine even before Neil suggested it. Nah it was someone else who responded to one of my posts who forgot that that side of the hdd is metal ... can't remember who though. - Raymond --- /~\ | | "Does fuzzy logic tickle?"| | ___ | "My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup?" | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | HTTP://www.raybot.net| | ICQ: 31756092 | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | \~/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please?
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 21:39:47 + From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? >Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 16:56:48 +0800 >From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? > >At 12:21 AM 2/03/2002 -0800, you wrote: > >Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 08:12:56 + > >From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? > > > >... > > > >Matt > > > >(Do I need to be more concise? I received what appeared to be a >complaint to that affect in an anonymous email.) > >Bah ... look at my posts, they hardly qualify for concise! > >- Raymond Heh... I was wondering if you may have been another lucky recipient of such a distinguished and learned critique Raymond... ;-P _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please?
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 21:35:43 + From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? >Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 08:51:18 >From: "neil barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>So is it possible that in the majority of cases where a Lib has gone belly >>up by installing a 9.5mm HDD, it was not because HDD spacers were removed >>and a 9.5mm drive installed per se, but because of some accidental >>physical damage done to the system in the process of installing the HDD? >>I note that you didn't say you found any damage done to a Lib that had a >>9.5mm HDD carefully and properly installed Neil.<< >> >>Matt<< > >[careful phrasing alert] I cannot comment on the way in which other people >may have fitted the harddrives :) but I have never seen the main memory >failed on a machine which has had the original drive never changed. I have >had three machines which are working well all of which have had at least >one - and for my current machine, probably one per week - hard disk >change.< > >My feeling is that the risk involved in changing to a 9.5mm disk - provided >the spacers are properly removed and normal care is taken - is probably >less than the risk of tripping over the power cable and pulling the lib off >a table. > >Neil Congratulations Mr. Barnacle. You have now earned an advanced graduate degree in Libretterati Diplomacy! _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please?
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 21:19:45 + From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? >Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 17:02:03 +0800 >From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >>If you remove the plastic sheet on the bottom and the spacers you should >be fine. You'll definitely be fine if the hard drive is loose enough for a >drop fit.<< < > > > >Neil.. As I recall, you wrote that this large, dark, mylar-like sheet of >plastic should be re-fastened after removing the blue adhesive and clear >plastic spacers... No?< < > >I put it back simply because I couldn't be bothered removing the adhesive >and I didn't want the hdd sticking to the case ... I'll probably remove it >in my L100 because its getting too hot so it seems like better conduction >through to the base would be useful ...< Wasn't it you, or was it someone else who has expressed concern about the exposed circuit board having the possibilty of shorting out against the exposed metal surface left after removing that plastic sheet? That turned out to be the reason I decided to re-fasten mine even before Neil suggested it. Matt _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.; ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please?
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 21:14:33 + From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? >Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 08:27:04 + >From: T i m <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Matthew Hanson wrote: > > > > > > > (Do I need to be more concise? .) > >[T] About what Matt? ;-) Heh... that was the question I asked my 'admirer'. :-) _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please?
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 17:02:03 +0800 From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? At 12:51 AM 2/03/2002 -0800, you wrote: >Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 08:42:45 + >From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? > >>Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 15:54:11 +0800 >>From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>If you remove the plastic sheet on the bottom and the spacers you should be fine. >You'll definitely be fine if the hard drive is loose enough for a drop fit.< > >Neil.. As I recall, you wrote that this large, dark, mylar-like sheet of plastic >should be re-fastened after removing the blue adhesive and clear plastic spacers... >No? I put it back simply because I couldn't be bothered removing the adhesive and I didn't want the hdd sticking to the case ... I'll probably remove it in my L100 because its getting too hot so it seems like better conduction through to the base would be useful ... - Raymond --- /~\ | | "Does fuzzy logic tickle?"| | ___ | "My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup?" | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | HTTP://www.raybot.net| | ICQ: 31756092 | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | \~/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please?
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 16:56:48 +0800 From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? At 12:21 AM 2/03/2002 -0800, you wrote: >Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 08:12:56 + >From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? > >... > >Matt > >(Do I need to be more concise? I received what appeared to be a complaint to that >affect in an anonymous email.) Bah ... look at my posts, they hardly qualify for concise! - Raymond --- /~\ | | "Does fuzzy logic tickle?"| | ___ | "My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup?" | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | HTTP://www.raybot.net| | ICQ: 31756092 | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | \~/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please?
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 08:55:00 From: "neil barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? >Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 08:42:45 + >From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? > >>Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 15:54:11 +0800 >>From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>If you remove the plastic sheet on the bottom and the spacers you should >>be >>fine. You'll definitely be fine if the hard drive is loose enough for a >>drop fit.< > >Neil.. As I recall, you wrote that this large, dark, mylar-like sheet of >plastic should be re-fastened after removing the blue adhesive and clear >plastic spacers... No? > Sorry - wasn't clear. Yes. Remove the sheet to get at the spacers, put it back afterwards, making sure it's not crinkled, stood proud on lumps of fixing etc. _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please?
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 08:51:18 From: "neil barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? >Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 08:12:56 + >From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? > > >So is it possible that in the majority of cases where a Lib has gone belly >up by installing a 9.5mm HDD, it was not because HDD spacers were removed >and a 9.5mm drive installed per se, but because of some accidental physical >damage done to the system in the process of installing the HDD? I note >that >you didn't say you found any damage done to a Lib that had a 9.5mm HDD >carefully and properly installed Neil. > >Matt [careful phrasing alert] I cannot comment on the way in which other people may have fitted the harddrives :) but I have never seen the main memory failed on a machine which has had the original drive never changed. I have had three machines which are working well all of which have had at least one - and for my current machine, probably one per week - hard disk change. My feeling is that the risk involved in changing to a 9.5mm disk - provided the spacers are properly removed and normal care is taken - is probably less than the risk of tripping over the power cable and pulling the lib off a table. Neil _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please?
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 08:42:45 + From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? >Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 15:54:11 +0800 >From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >If you remove the plastic sheet on the bottom and the spacers you should be >fine. You'll definitely be fine if the hard drive is loose enough for a >drop fit.< Neil.. As I recall, you wrote that this large, dark, mylar-like sheet of plastic should be re-fastened after removing the blue adhesive and clear plastic spacers... No? Matt _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.; ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please?
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 08:28:19 + From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? >Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 07:38:04 + >From: T i m <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Hi Neil, > >neil barnes wrote: > > >It appears that the mobo is more flexible than is good for it. It also >appears that the 50 case and the 70 case (which had the fatter drive) are >*not* identical to each other, although they will work on either machine >with a little filing around the hole where the expansion port pokes >through.< < > > > > Neil > > > >[T] So, would I be right in assuming I would be 'safer' finding myself an >8.x mm drive and fitting that, rather than risking my new 'baby' on a big >fat nasty board cracking 9.5mm monster?< I think what Neil is saying, is that it may be a faulty PROCESS of installating the HDD that was responsible for those Libs to have failed... and that the failure was not due to the drive itself. He said all the dead Libs that he worked on had had their HDDs replaced at some point. But from his description of the problems he encountered, it seems unlikely that they would have been caused by proper installation of either a larger (in MB) 8.5mm, or 9.5mm HDD. My bets are that there have been as many dead Libs that had bigger 8.5mm HDDs newly installed in them as their were dead Libs with newly installed 9.5mm HDDs. Matt _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please?
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 08:27:04 + From: T i m <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? Matthew Hanson wrote: > > > (Do I need to be more concise? .) [T] About what Matt? ;-) ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please?
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 08:12:56 + From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? >Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 07:28:53 >From: "neil barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>Wow... Now I'm really curious as to how many other people on the list >>have had problems damaging their Libby after putting 9.5mm drives in their >>early 8.5mm HDD systems after removing the spacers!<< >> >>Is Pres in the minority here folks? Or have their been a lot of other >>cases of this problem posted to the list that I've missed?<< >> > >I've had two (50) mobos, and seen three or four others, which have failed >with main ram problems. Two of those I have ben able to fix, the others >were write-offs. I've also seen - and fixed - one mobo with a video ram >fault. The video ram is at the opposite end of the board, above where the >PCMCIA cards plug in.< > >Every one of the faulty mobos I've seen has had a disc other than the >original. This doesn't mean I don't swap my 20G (working) and >6G(experimental OS etc) drives around fairly often, it just means I'm very >careful when I do it.< > >It appears that the mobo is more flexible than is good for it. It also >appears that the 50 case and the 70 case (which had the fatter drive) are >*not* identical to each other, although they will work on either machine >with a little filing around the hole where the expansion port pokes >through.< So is it possible that in the majority of cases where a Lib has gone belly up by installing a 9.5mm HDD, it was not because HDD spacers were removed and a 9.5mm drive installed per se, but because of some accidental physical damage done to the system in the process of installing the HDD? I note that you didn't say you found any damage done to a Lib that had a 9.5mm HDD carefully and properly installed Neil. Matt (Do I need to be more concise? I received what appeared to be a complaint to that affect in an anonymous email.) _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please?
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 15:54:11 +0800 From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? At 11:45 PM 1/03/2002 -0800, you wrote: >Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 07:38:04 + >From: T i m <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? > >Hi Neil, > >neil barnes wrote: > >It appears that the mobo is more flexible than is good for it. It also > >> appears that the 50 case and the 70 case (which had the fatter drive) are >> *not* identical to each other, although they will work on either machine >> with a little filing around the hole where the expansion port pokes through. >> >> Neil >> > >[T] So, would I be right in assuming I would be 'safer' finding myself an 8.x mm >drive and fitting that, rather than risking my new 'baby' on a big fat nasty >board cracking 9.5mm monster? IMHO this is much ado about nothing. If the drive slides in with minimal pressure then unless you angle the drive upwards whilst inserting it you can't do any damage. I think what is most likely happening with some people's drives is either their drives have screws or labels that sit slightly proud of the surface and are lifting the drives up (hence putting pressure on the motherboard), the black plastic under the motherboard is slightly wrinkled (again pressure on the motherboard) or they've not fully cleaned all the gunk from between the lower plastic sheet and the case (eg. the residue of the adhesive of the spacers). Also, some people remove the spacers by ripping them out through the side of the case and not by taking the mobo out to get to them, for them its real easy to miss the spacer at the far end so that may also be a factor. If you remove the plastic sheet on the bottom and the spacers you should be fine. You'll definitely be fine if the hard drive is loose enough for a drop fit. Hope this helps! - Raymond --- /~\ | | "Does fuzzy logic tickle?"| | ___ | "My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup?" | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | HTTP://www.raybot.net| | ICQ: 31756092 | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | \~/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please?
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 07:50:44 From: "neil barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? >Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 07:38:04 + >From: T i m <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? > >Hi Neil, > >neil barnes wrote: > >It appears that the mobo is more flexible than is good for it. It also > > > appears that the 50 case and the 70 case (which had the fatter drive) >are > > *not* identical to each other, although they will work on either machine > > with a little filing around the hole where the expansion port pokes >through. > > > > Neil > > > >[T] So, would I be right in assuming I would be 'safer' finding myself an >8.x mm >drive and fitting that, rather than risking my new 'baby' on a big fat >nasty >board cracking 9.5mm monster? > >All the best .. > Tim, See my other posts today. There is a definite risk in all things :) However, provided that the spacers are properly removed - both the clear and the blue, I would (and have, frequently) use a default 9.5mm disk. The 6G I have is a Tosh MK6014MAP and the 20G is an IBM 20 GN Travelstar (IIRC - it's in the lib at present so I can't see the writing on the back!) Neil _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please?
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 07:38:04 + From: T i m <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? Hi Neil, neil barnes wrote: It appears that the mobo is more flexible than is good for it. It also > appears that the 50 case and the 70 case (which had the fatter drive) are > *not* identical to each other, although they will work on either machine > with a little filing around the hole where the expansion port pokes through. > > Neil > [T] So, would I be right in assuming I would be 'safer' finding myself an 8.x mm drive and fitting that, rather than risking my new 'baby' on a big fat nasty board cracking 9.5mm monster? All the best .. T i m ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please?
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 07:28:53 From: "neil barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? >Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 21:42:03 + >From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? > >Wow... Now I'm really curious as to how many other people on the list have >had problems damaging their Libby after putting 9.5mm drives in their early >8.5mm HDD systems after removing the spacers! > >Is Pres in the minority here folks? Or have their been a lot of other >cases >of this problem posted to the list that I've missed? > I've had two (50) mobos, and seen three or four others, which have failed with main ram problems. Two of those I have ben able to fix, the others were write-offs. I've also seen - and fixed - one mobo with a video ram fault. The video ram is at the opposite end of the board, above where the PCMCIA cards plug in. Every one of the faulty mobos I've seen has had a disc other than the original. This doesn't mean I don't swap my 20G (working) and 6G (experimental OS etc) drives around fairly often, it just means I'm very careful when I do it. It appears that the mobo is more flexible than is good for it. It also appears that the 50 case and the 70 case (which had the fatter drive) are *not* identical to each other, although they will work on either machine with a little filing around the hole where the expansion port pokes through. Neil _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.; ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please?
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 06:37:12 + From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? >Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 14:15:06 +0800 >From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >At 10:00 PM 1/03/2002 -0800, you wrote: > >Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 05:54:02 + > >From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? > > > >>Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 18:01:48 -0800 (PST) > >>From: David Chien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >>> Wow... Now I'm really curious as to how many other people on the list >have had problems damaging their Libby after putting 9.5mm drives in their >early 8.5mm HDD systems after removing the spacers!< < > >> > >> At least 3-5 people for sure, and more probably. Search List >archives.< > > > >Hmmm My imagination for coming up with search terms seems laking >tonight. Though I saw a couple posts that seemed to indicate that their >Libs were damaged in the process of inserting and removing the drive. I'll >look a bit more, but I wonder what the percentage of successes to failures >is over all is for people who didn't physically damage anything in the >process of installing the drive. I'd guess that the percentage of >successes must be relatively high.< < > >Well OK if you're unsure, remove the spacers and try and drop the 9.5mm >hard drive in (or a block of wood or something thats 9.5mm high). If it >slides in real easily then it won't put any pressure on the motherboard. If >you need to push it then you've forgotten to remove a spacer or something >... in which case you might cause damage.< Sorry if I've not made clear what I'm driviung at there. I installed my 20GB HDD, and removed the spacers back when Neil said to removed those things post haste! But Pres has said that he had TWO... not one but TWO Libs go belly up AFTER removing those spacers and installing 9.5mm HDDs! And now David has confirmed that a number of other people had the same experience. Of course I don't know the full circumstances surrounding these other failures. Had they shoved their HDDs into their Libs once or twice BEFORE finally removing the spacers? Were they being operated in extremely hot conditions that the larges HDD affectewd somehow? Still, it seems I've read where a lot of people have bought and installed 9.5mm HDDs recently. And I don't remember and posts about problems with those. Though I'm great at missing huge things that are taped to my nose. Matt _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please?
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 14:15:06 +0800 From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? At 10:00 PM 1/03/2002 -0800, you wrote: >Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 05:54:02 + >From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? > >>Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 18:01:48 -0800 (PST) >>From: David Chien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>> Wow... Now I'm really curious as to how many other people on the list have had >problems damaging their Libby after putting 9.5mm drives in their early 8.5mm HDD >systems after removing the spacers!< < >> >> At least 3-5 people for sure, and more probably. Search List archives.< > >Hmmm My imagination for coming up with search terms seems laking tonight. >Though I saw a couple posts that seemed to indicate that their Libs were damaged in >the process of inserting and removing the drive. I'll look a bit more, but I wonder >what the percentage of successes to failures is over all is for people who didn't >physically damage anything in the process of installing the drive. I'd guess that >the percentage of successes must be relatively high. Well OK if you're unsure, remove the spacers and try and drop the 9.5mm hard drive in (or a block of wood or something thats 9.5mm high). If it slides in real easily then it won't put any pressure on the motherboard. If you need to push it then you've forgotten to remove a spacer or something ... in which case you might cause damage. - Raymond --- /~\ | | "Does fuzzy logic tickle?"| | ___ | "My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup?" | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | HTTP://www.raybot.net| | ICQ: 31756092 | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | \~/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please?
Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 05:54:02 + From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? >Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 18:01:48 -0800 (PST) >From: David Chien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Wow... Now I'm really curious as to how many other people on the list >have had problems damaging their Libby after putting 9.5mm drives in their >early 8.5mm HDD systems after removing the spacers!< < > > At least 3-5 people for sure, and more probably. Search List archives.< Hmmm My imagination for coming up with search terms seems laking tonight. Though I saw a couple posts that seemed to indicate that their Libs were damaged in the process of inserting and removing the drive. I'll look a bit more, but I wonder what the percentage of successes to failures is over all is for people who didn't physically damage anything in the process of installing the drive. I'd guess that the percentage of successes must be relatively high. Matt _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.; ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please?
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 18:01:48 -0800 (PST) From: David Chien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? > Wow... Now I'm really curious as to how many other people on the list have > had problems damaging their Libby after putting 9.5mm drives in their early > 8.5mm HDD systems after removing the spacers! At least 3-5 people for sure, and more probably. Search List archives. = adorable toshiba libretto The latest news and information for the Toshiba Libretto owner. http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please?
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 21:42:03 + From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? >Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 12:12:00 -0500 >From: Pres Waterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > >Get an 8.45mm HDD and call it a day< < > > > > > >You removed those spacers and it still failed? I removed mine and the >HDD is practically a drop-in fit ... no pressure on the motherboard at >all.< < < > > > > Maybe you've responded in a post I haven't gotten to, but I'll reply >here anyway. < < > > > > Yeah Pres... I didn't realize anyone had had problems with dropping a >9.5mm drive into the L50s or L70s. You say above that the L50s were >damaged "by HDD insertion." This implies to me that during the process of >inserting and/or removing the drives, you damaged components on the the MB. > I was always under the impression that as long as the spacers were taken >out, that there would be no physical contact or heat problem. < < > >But that's not the case. Removing the spacers is a help, but not a >cure.< > >I did it, I ruined it, that's that.< Wow... Now I'm really curious as to how many other people on the list have had problems damaging their Libby after putting 9.5mm drives in their early 8.5mm HDD systems after removing the spacers! Is Pres in the minority here folks? Or have their been a lot of other cases of this problem posted to the list that I've missed? Matt _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please?
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 12:12:00 -0500 From: Pres Waterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? > > > > > >Get an 8.45mm HDD and call it a day< < > > > >You removed those spacers and it still failed? I removed mine and the HDD > >is practically a drop-in fit ... no pressure on the motherboard at all.< > > Maybe you've responded in a post I haven't gotten to, but I'll reply here > anyway. > > Yeah Pres... I didn't realize anyone had had problems with dropping a 9.5mm > drive into the L50s or L70s. You say above that the L50s were damaged "by > HDD insertion." This implies to me that during the process of inserting > and/or removing the drives, you damaged components on the the MB. I was > always under the impression that as long as the spacers were taken out, that > there would be no physical contact or heat problem. But that's not the case. Removing the spacers is a help, but not a cure. I did it, I ruined it, that's that. Thanks Pres Waterman W2PW c/o Patchogue Motors, Inc. Long Island Ford and Kia dealer GO BILLS! ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please?
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 10:16:35 -0500 From: Pres Waterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? > ie Is there a suitably sized make / model (sub 8G) that 'works' well in these > machines that's also at the right price at the moment ? Toshiba has a full line of MK--MAT drives, but they only come in 10-40GB monster sizes these days. But ebaY should be full of possibilities Thanks Pres Waterman W2PW c/o Patchogue Motors, Inc. Long Island Ford and Kia dealer GO BILLS! ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please?
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 10:15:06 -0500 From: Pres Waterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? > >I have now owned 2 L50's in my life that have been damaged by HDD insertion. > >It doesn't fail right away... but it does > > > >Get an 8.45mm HDD and call it a day > > You removed those spacers and it still failed? I removed mine and the HDD is practically a drop-in fit ... no pressure on the motherboard at all. Others have reported that even with the spacers out it fails. And yes, as I recall, I did remove them too Thanks Pres Waterman W2PW c/o Patchogue Motors, Inc. Long Island Ford and Kia dealer GO BILLS! ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please?
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 06:07:46 + From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? >Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 07:02:11 +0800 >From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >At 02:50 PM 28/02/2002 -0800, you wrote: > >Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 17:44:54 -0500 > >From: Pres Waterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? > > > >> > >> I've now got 266M of disk space free on the 810M drive and a 9.5mm Tosh >HDD2144 sitting here looking at me? << < > >> > >> At 9.5mm thick, is this ok to fit inside the libby (washers out etc) or >would I 'really' be better off buying a new sub 9mm drive of some sort? << >< > > > >Don't do it. > > > >I have now owned 2 L50's in my life that have been damaged by HDD >insertion. It doesn't fail right away... but it does< < > > > >Get an 8.45mm HDD and call it a day< < > >You removed those spacers and it still failed? I removed mine and the HDD >is practically a drop-in fit ... no pressure on the motherboard at all.< Maybe you've responded in a post I haven't gotten to, but I'll reply here anyway. Yeah Pres... I didn't realize anyone had had problems with dropping a 9.5mm drive into the L50s or L70s. You say above that the L50s were damaged "by HDD insertion." This implies to me that during the process of inserting and/or removing the drives, you damaged components on the the MB. I was always under the impression that as long as the spacers were taken out, that there would be no physical contact or heat problem. Matt _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please?
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:06:16 + From: T i m <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? Hi Pres, Thanks for the advice .. the other questions are what should I go for, how much and where from please? ie Is there a suitably sized make / model (sub 8G) that 'works' well in these machines that's also at the right price at the moment ? All the best .. T i m Pres Waterman wrote: > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 17:44:54 -0500 > From: Pres Waterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? > > > > > I've now got 266M of disk space free on the 810M drive and a 9.5mm Tosh > > HDD2144 sitting here looking at me? > > > > At 9.5mm thick, is this ok to fit inside the libby (washers out etc) or > > would I 'really' be better off buying a new sub 9mm drive of some sort? > > Don't do it. > > I have now owned 2 L50's in my life that have been damaged by HDD insertion. > It doesn't fail right away... but it does > > Get an 8.45mm HDD and call it a day > > Thanks > > Pres Waterman W2PW > c/o Patchogue Motors, Inc. > Long Island Ford and Kia dealer > > GO BILLS! > > ** > http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list > http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives > http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ > ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- > Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be > addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text > on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe > TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- > Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest > ** ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please?
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 07:02:11 +0800 From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? At 02:50 PM 28/02/2002 -0800, you wrote: >Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 17:44:54 -0500 >From: Pres Waterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? > >> >> I've now got 266M of disk space free on the 810M drive and a 9.5mm Tosh >> HDD2144 sitting here looking at me? >> >> At 9.5mm thick, is this ok to fit inside the libby (washers out etc) or >> would I 'really' be better off buying a new sub 9mm drive of some sort? > >Don't do it. > >I have now owned 2 L50's in my life that have been damaged by HDD insertion. >It doesn't fail right away... but it does > >Get an 8.45mm HDD and call it a day You removed those spacers and it still failed? I removed mine and the HDD is practically a drop-in fit ... no pressure on the motherboard at all. - Raymond --- /~\ | | "Does fuzzy logic tickle?"| | ___ | "My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup?" | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | HTTP://www.raybot.net| | ICQ: 31756092 | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | \~/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please?
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 07:01:23 +0800 From: Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? At 02:05 PM 28/02/2002 -0800, you wrote: >Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 21:58:04 + >From: T i m <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? > >Hi All, > >So, little 50CT is doing well now with W95 (OSR2), loads of patches and >updates, ZoneAlarm, ICQ, my GPS software, Palm Desktop, the Fuji Digital >Camera twain driver etc etc. > >I've now got 266M of disk space free on the 810M drive and a 9.5mm Tosh >HDD2144 sitting here looking at me? > >At 9.5mm thick, is this ok to fit inside the libby (washers out etc) or >would I 'really' be better off buying a new sub 9mm drive of some sort? >If so, where (in the UK) is the best place to get one from please? Remove those blue and clear plastic spacers from under that black plastic sheet then put the 9.5mm hard drive in. Good luck finding any 8.5mm hard drives round ... even Toshiba couldn't find any at one stage. - Raymond --- /~\ | | "Does fuzzy logic tickle?"| | ___ | "My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup?" | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | HTTP://www.raybot.net| | ICQ: 31756092 | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | \~/ ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please?
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 17:44:54 -0500 From: Pres Waterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [LIB] Best VFM drive for my 50CT please? > > I've now got 266M of disk space free on the 810M drive and a 9.5mm Tosh > HDD2144 sitting here looking at me? > > At 9.5mm thick, is this ok to fit inside the libby (washers out etc) or > would I 'really' be better off buying a new sub 9mm drive of some sort? Don't do it. I have now owned 2 L50's in my life that have been damaged by HDD insertion. It doesn't fail right away... but it does Get an 8.45mm HDD and call it a day Thanks Pres Waterman W2PW c/o Patchogue Motors, Inc. Long Island Ford and Kia dealer GO BILLS! ** http://libretto.basiclink.com - Libretto mailing list http://libretto.basiclink.com/archive - Archives http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/portable/faq.html - FAQ ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe TO UNSUBSCRIBE DIGEST-- Do above but with this on subject line: cmd:unsubscribe digest **
