Re: \partial and \compressMMRests don't seem to work together

[J Martin Rushton]

On Sun, 2024-02-18 at 11:27 +0100, Thomas Morley wrote:
> Am Sa., 17. Feb. 2024 um 01:18 Uhr schrieb Gerardo Ballabio
> :
> > 
> > Sorry, forgot the attachment.
> > 
> > Il giorno sab 17 feb 2024 alle ore 01:15 Gerardo Ballabio
> >  ha scritto:
> > > 
> > > Hello,
> > > I need to change the time in the middle of a bar.
> > > I managed to do that using \partial, but it seems that after that,
> > > \compressMMRests no longer works -- only for the group of measures
> > > immediately following, then it resumes working normally.
> > > See example below, attaching the output that I get.
> > > Can you please help me fix that?
> > > 
> > > Thank you
> > > Gerardo
> > > 
> > > %%
> > > \version "2.24.1"
> > > 
> > > \new Staff \compressMMRests {
> > >   \time 2/4
> > >   R2*4 |
> > >   \partial 4 r4 \bar "" \time 6/8 \partial 4. r4 r8 |
> > >   R2.*4 | % these bars aren't compressed
> > >   R2.*4 | % these are
> > > }
> > > %%
> 
> Hi,
> 
> works out of the box with 2.25.13.
> Please consider to upgrade.
> 
> Cheers,
>   Harm
> 

I've recently done this:
  \unfoldRepeats {
\relative c'' {
...
  \partial 8 e8 |
  a,8. b16 a8 a4 a8 |
 ...
 a8. fs16 d8 fs4 e8 |
  \partial 8*5 d4. d4 \bar "||"
  \repeat volta 2 {
a'8. fs16 d8 d8. e16 fs8 |
 ...

- and it works fine.  No time signature change, just going from
anacrusis to complete bars.  The unfolded repeats are to make the MIDI
work.

Martin


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J Martin Rushton MBCS

Re: Voice synthesis - thanks

[J Martin Rushton]

Thanks folks for the responses.  There's a lot of information there to
digest!

* I've printed off Cho et al (2021) and will study it later.
* Emvoice looks interesting, but is expensive and seems to only be for
WinMac, not *nix.
* I'll look for Vocaloid
* Likewise nnsvs
* Festival is in the EPEL repository so is great for RHEL and clones,
such as I run.  This will be first choice.
* I note specification, but it would be a major project to build from
spec to product.
* I'll go looking for Lilysong.  It would be really nice to have one
source for print and audio.

Once again, thanks for your responses to satisfy my curiosity.
Martin

On Tue, 2023-04-25 at 11:53 +0100, J Martin Rushton wrote:
> I was playing back a MIDI piece and wondered if anyone had ever
> combined voice synthesis with MIDI?  I know that you can get MIDI
> "ah"s, but I was meaning voiced from the text like a text reader.
> 
> Purely idle wondering, no-one need to make any great effort and I
> don't
> (currently) have a use case.  It just seemed the next step in the
> development of computer music.
> 
-- 
J Martin Rushton MBCS

Voice synthesis

[J Martin Rushton]

I was playing back a MIDI piece and wondered if anyone had ever
combined voice synthesis with MIDI?  I know that you can get MIDI
"ah"s, but I was meaning voiced from the text like a text reader.

Purely idle wondering, no-one need to make any great effort and I don't
(currently) have a use case.  It just seemed the next step in the
development of computer music.

-- 
J Martin Rushton MBCS

Re: [OT] help about some questions

[J Martin Rushton]

Wow, I didn't know that MMO was still going.  I can remember handling
the vinyl LPs for MMO when I worked in a library 1975-6.Martin
On Thu, 2023-03-16 at 05:52 -0700, Mark Stephen Mrotek wrote:
> Dario,
>  
> While I would never discourage anyone from using Lilypond, what you
> want has been done by Hal Leonard Publications in its Music Minus One
> series.
> https://www.halleonard.com/series/MMONE?dt=item#products
>  
> Mark
>  
> From: lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org [mailto:
> lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org] On Behalf Of
> Dario Marrini
> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2023 3:09 AM
> To: lilypond-user 
> Subject: [OT] help about some questions
>  
> Hi lilypond friends, 
> I'd like to create an orchestral midi collection, for playing piano
> concertos with a MIDI accompaniment. 
>  
> The first difficulty is transcribing orchestral scores, then, I
> wonder if someone could suggest me a pdf2midi or pdf2score app or
> online service that could help; at this moment I'd be interested in
> Prokofiev Piano Concerto n. 1 and Beethoven Piano Concerto n. 3; I
> tried the online service of MuseScore but I got a 'score not
> compatible' message (I'm using the imslp.org score)
>  
> Second difficulty will be getting an interactive mode about playing
> midi orchestral score, even without thinking to a 'follow me' mode,
> listening to audio solo part (I think it'd be very difficult to
> implement), I thought I could create and additional track, with just
> a few notes to play, and then finding a way to concatenate other midi
> events to those special notes, to get a synchronous mode with solo
> part (played by human) and midi orchestral part; even in this case
> (I'm not a such good code programmer) I have no idea if it could be
> possible and how.
>  
> I'm a pianist and piano teacher, this kind of solution could improve
> very much the teaching level and the final piano and orchestra exam;
> indeed, it could be a development idea, creating a web site to offer
> this service
>  
> Hoping this idea could be interesting for someone, I wait for your
> help or even thoughts
>  
> regards
>  
> dario m. 
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J Martin Rushton MBCS

Re: irrational meters

[J Martin Rushton]

I would have thought so.  I assumed this post was about weird modern
music.  Irregular grabs my attention though, I occasionally try to set
plainchant.Martin
On Tue, 2023-01-17 at 15:20 +0100, Silvain Dupertuis wrote:
> I wonder about the term “irrational”
>   meter. Should not we say “irregular” ??
> 
> 
> as in mathematics, an irrational number
>   is a number which cannot be represented as a fraction...
> 
> 
> 
> Le 17.01.23 à 13:30, Leo Correia de
>   Verdier a écrit :
> 
> 
> 
> >   Hi Karim!
> > Your first example seems to work to me (I don’t do irrational
> > meters everyday, so there might be something I’m missing. I would
> > probably write the tuplets explicitly rather than use
> > \scaleDurations). \set Staff.timeSignatureFraction is superfluous,
> > the time signature already does that.
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
>   Silvain Dupertuis
> 
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> 
>   1293 Bellevue (Switzerland)
> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
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Re: Handbell notation

[J Martin Rushton]

On Mon, 2022-12-05 at 04:40 -0500, Michael Werner wrote:
> Though I had to go look up what quaver and crotchet meant - this
> debased and corrupted version of English we speak over here led me
> astray for a bit.
:-)
- I wouldn't be that cruel to our cousins and friends.

It's always puzzled me, why Americans settled on a semibreve as a
"whole note" when it's very name indicates that it is only half a
breve.  When I was a lad, hymn books were often set with minims,
semibreves and breves, which would be awkward with the US
terminology.  Fortunately I've never come across a longa or a large
outside of theory books.

Kind regards, and thanks for the pointers which I shall study.
Martin


-- 
J Martin Rushton MBCS

Re: Handbell notation

[J Martin Rushton]

Thanks Pierre
That section seems to point me back to my original attempt:<< \relative
c' {\stemDown g'4 4 g4 4 } \\ \relative c' { s8 b'8 s8 d8 e4
d4 } >> |  << \relative c' { 4 4 } \\ \relative c'
\autoBeamOff { c'8 8 e,8 8 } >> 4 4 |which
was adapted from the manuals.Best,Martin
On Sun, 2022-12-04 at 23:38 +0100, Pierre Perol-Schneider wrote:
> See. 
> https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.23/Documentation/learning/i_0027m-hearing-voices.html
> Cheers,
> Pierre
> 
> Le dim. 4 déc. 2022 à 23:09, J Martin Rushton <
> martinrushto...@btinternet.com> a écrit :
> > Hi Pierre
> > 
> > Yes, I like that.  I hadn't come across \tiny before, it does help
> > make things nicer.  I assume that the "tenor bells" is simply an
> > artefact from a template - I can't see that it does anything.  In
> > the alto bells would you advise the rest?  Remember that ringers
> > are following a line and a space of the staff, not a line of music,
> > and I would think that s2 would be better.
> > 
> > I assume the \voiceXXX clauses are to set the stem directions?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Martin
> > 
> > On Sun, 2022-12-04 at 22:48 +0100, Pierre Perol-Schneider wrote:
> > > Hi Martin,
> > > Sorry but the last attempt is hardly readable.
> > > As Michael suggested previously, precising voices might help ;
> > > also, you could change some voice sizes for a better reading.
> > > E.g. something like:
> > > sopranBells = \fixed c'' { 
> > >   \voiceOne 
> > >   | %mes. 13
> > > g4 r8 g8 4 4 
> > >   | %mes. 14  
> > > g4 4 4 4 
> > >   | %mes. 15  
> > > s4
> > > }
> > > 
> > > bassBells = \fixed c' { 
> > >   \voiceTwo 
> > >   | %mes. 13
> > > g4
> > >   | %mes. 14  
> > > 4 q  
> > >   | %mes. 15  
> > > s4
> > > }
> > > 
> > > tenorBells = \fixed c' { 
> > >   \voiceThree \tiny 
> > >   | %mes. 13
> > > s1
> > >   | %mes. 14  
> > > s1
> > >   | %mes. 15  
> > > s4
> > > }
> > > 
> > > altoBells = \fixed c' { 
> > >   \voiceTwo \tiny 
> > >   | %mes. 13
> > > s8 b s d' d'2\rest 
> > >   | %mes. 14  
> > > s8  s  s4 s
> > >   | %mes. 15  
> > > s
> > > }
> > > 
> > > \new Staff <<
> > >   \new Voice \sopranBells
> > >   \new Voice \bassBells
> > >   \new Voice \tenorBells
> > >   \new Voice \altoBells
> > > >>
> > > 
> > > HTH, cheers,
> > > Pierre
> > > 
> > > Le dim. 4 déc. 2022 à 22:06, J Martin Rushton <
> > > martinrushto...@btinternet.com> a écrit :
> > > > Hi Michael
> > > > 
> > > > It just takes having to explain something to sort it.  Those
> > > > two problematic bars are now:
> > > > 
> > > > which is much better.  I still don't really like the tied
> > > > quavers where a crotchet is rung, but then you can't have
> > > > everything!  The relevant code is:
> > > > 
> > > > g8 ~ 8 8 ~ 8 4 4 | 8 ~  > > > b>8 8 ~ 8 4 4 |
> > > > 
> > > > for the accompaniment.
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks for making me think!
> > > > Martin
> > > > 
> > > > On Sun, 2022-12-04 at 20:39 +, J Martin Rushton wrote:
> > > > > Hi Michael
> > > > > I've mocked up the same two bars in LibreOffice as tablature:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Where you see a dot and a number, the dot indicates half a
> > > > > beat's rest, so that row three of the first beat is
> > > > > interpreted as r8 b8   In the second bar, first beat, the "5
> > > > > 6" is c8 b8  The bolded top row indicates the tune, which
> > > > > typically needs to be run a little harder whilst the lower
> > > > > bells ring softer.  The problem comes with setting, for
> > > > > instance, the first beat.  I tried using things like
> > > > > << \relative c' {\stemDown g'4 4 g4 4 } \\
> > > > > \relative c' { s8 b'8 s8 d8 e4 d4 } >> |  << \relative c' {
> > > > > 4 4 } \\ \relative c' \autoBeamOff { c'

Re: Handbell notation

[J Martin Rushton]

Hi Pierre
Yes, I like that.  I hadn't come across \tiny before, it does help make
things nicer.  I assume that the "tenor bells" is simply an artefact
from a template - I can't see that it does anything.  In the alto bells
would you advise the rest?  Remember that ringers are following a line
and a space of the staff, not a line of music, and I would think that
s2 would be better.
I assume the \voiceXXX clauses are to set the stem directions?
Thanks,Martin
On Sun, 2022-12-04 at 22:48 +0100, Pierre Perol-Schneider wrote:
> Hi Martin,
> Sorry but the last attempt is hardly readable.
> As Michael suggested previously, precising voices might help ; also,
> you could change some voice sizes for a better reading.
> E.g. something like:
> sopranBells = \fixed c'' { 
>   \voiceOne 
>   | %mes. 13
> g4 r8 g8 4 4 
>   | %mes. 14  
> g4 4 4 4 
>   | %mes. 15  
> s4
> }
> 
> bassBells = \fixed c' { 
>   \voiceTwo 
>   | %mes. 13
> g4
>   | %mes. 14  
> 4 q  
>   | %mes. 15  
> s4
> }
> 
> tenorBells = \fixed c' { 
>   \voiceThree \tiny 
>   | %mes. 13
> s1
>   | %mes. 14  
> s1
>   | %mes. 15  
> s4
> }
> 
> altoBells = \fixed c' { 
>   \voiceTwo \tiny 
>   | %mes. 13
> s8 b s d' d'2\rest 
>   | %mes. 14  
> s8  s  s4 s
>   | %mes. 15  
> s
> }
> 
> \new Staff <<
>   \new Voice \sopranBells
>   \new Voice \bassBells
>   \new Voice \tenorBells
>   \new Voice \altoBells
> >>
> 
> HTH, cheers,
> Pierre
> 
> Le dim. 4 déc. 2022 à 22:06, J Martin Rushton <
> martinrushto...@btinternet.com> a écrit :
> > Hi Michael
> > 
> > It just takes having to explain something to sort it.  Those two
> > problematic bars are now:
> > 
> > which is much better.  I still don't really like the tied quavers
> > where a crotchet is rung, but then you can't have everything!  The
> > relevant code is:
> > 
> > g8 ~ 8 8 ~ 8 4 4 | 8 ~ 8
> > 8 ~ 8 4 4 |
> > 
> > for the accompaniment.
> > 
> > Thanks for making me think!
> > Martin
> > 
> > On Sun, 2022-12-04 at 20:39 +, J Martin Rushton wrote:
> > > Hi Michael
> > > I've mocked up the same two bars in LibreOffice as tablature:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Where you see a dot and a number, the dot indicates half a beat's
> > > rest, so that row three of the first beat is interpreted as r8
> > > b8   In the second bar, first beat, the "5 6" is c8 b8  The
> > > bolded top row indicates the tune, which typically needs to be
> > > run a little harder whilst the lower bells ring softer.  The
> > > problem comes with setting, for instance, the first beat.  I
> > > tried using things like
> > > << \relative c' {\stemDown g'4 4 g4 4 } \\ \relative c'
> > > { s8 b'8 s8 d8 e4 d4 } >> |  << \relative c' { 4 4 }
> > > \\ \relative c' \autoBeamOff { c'8 8 e,8 8 } >>  > > g e>4 4 |
> > > for the accompaniment but it is horrible and confused.I've a
> > > feeling that need to change the g'4 in the first beat to g'8 ~ g8
> > > to keep all the stems together.  I'll report back after testing.
> > > I hope that that clarifies things a little,
> > > Martin
> > > On Sun, 2022-12-04 at 13:14 -0500, Michael Werner wrote:
> > > > Hi Martin.
> > > > Well, I'm still pretty new to Lilypond but I have done some
> > > > handbell music.  I don't play them myself - my mother is the
> > > > musician while I'm her tech support, I guess would be the way
> > > > to phrase it. My approach with the more complex pieces her
> > > > group was doing was to generate a somewhat simplified version
> > > > just for her. I would make sure to retain enough of the main
> > > > melody line that she could follow it, while cutting out
> > > > anything else I could. Of course I had to make sure to leave in
> > > > the notes that she was responsible for. Wouldn't work too well
> > > > without them. Also I would put a larger callout symbol above
> > > > each note she rings to help her see them - she's pushing 80
> > > > years old and her eyesight is going. While I was at it, I would
> > > > also produce a complete version. But that was mainly just me
> > > > playing around and gaining some experience.
> > > > 
> > > > A lot of that was

Re: Handbell notation

[J Martin Rushton]

Hi Michael

It just takes having to explain something to sort it.  Those two
problematic bars are now:
which is much better.  I still don't really like the tied quavers where
a crotchet is rung, but then you can't have everything!  The relevant
code is:

g8 ~ 8 8 ~ 8 4 4 | 8 ~ 8 8 ~ 8 4 4 |

for the accompaniment.

Thanks for making me think!
Martin

On Sun, 2022-12-04 at 20:39 +, J Martin Rushton wrote:
> Hi Michael
> I've mocked up the same two bars in LibreOffice as tablature:
> 
> 
> Where you see a dot and a number, the dot indicates half a beat's
> rest, so that row three of the first beat is interpreted as r8
> b8   In the second bar, first beat, the "5 6" is c8 b8  The bolded
> top row indicates the tune, which typically needs to be run a little
> harder whilst the lower bells ring softer.  The problem comes with
> setting, for instance, the first beat.  I tried using things like
> << \relative c' {\stemDown g'4 4 g4 4 } \\ \relative c' {
> s8 b'8 s8 d8 e4 d4 } >> |  << \relative c' { 4 4 } \\
> \relative c' \autoBeamOff { c'8 8 e,8 8 } >> 4
> 4 |
> for the accompaniment but it is horrible and confused.I've a
> feeling that need to change the g'4 in the first beat to g'8 ~ g8 to
> keep all the stems together.  I'll report back after testing.
> I hope that that clarifies things a little,
> Martin
> On Sun, 2022-12-04 at 13:14 -0500, Michael Werner wrote:
> > Hi Martin.
> > Well, I'm still pretty new to Lilypond but I have done some
> > handbell music.  I don't play them myself - my mother is the
> > musician while I'm her tech support, I guess would be the way to
> > phrase it. My approach with the more complex pieces her group was
> > doing was to generate a somewhat simplified version just for her. I
> > would make sure to retain enough of the main melody line that she
> > could follow it, while cutting out anything else I could. Of course
> > I had to make sure to leave in the notes that she was responsible
> > for. Wouldn't work too well without them. Also I would put a larger
> > callout symbol above each note she rings to help her see them -
> > she's pushing 80 years old and her eyesight is going. While I was
> > at it, I would also produce a complete version. But that was mainly
> > just me playing around and gaining some experience.
> > 
> > A lot of that was made a bit easier by just carving up the piece in
> > multiple voices, with each voice going into a variable. Then I
> > could assemble the appropriate piece of music by just calling the
> > variables I needed for that particular version. Lots of
> > possibilities to redo entire scores without having to retype a
> > whole bunch of music.
> > 
> > As for handbell tablature I've never seen it. None of the handbell
> > music she has brought home for me to play with has had any
> > tablature, just the "normal" music. Tablature for a few other
> > instruments, yes, but not handbells.
> > 
> > Well, this was kind of rambling - sorry about that. Like I said I'm
> > still kinda new to Lilypond. It's been an interesting journey so
> > far, with still quite a long ways to go. Still trying to get a
> > decent grasp on the whole Scheme thing. Oh well. Just gotta keep
> > trying, I guess. Hope maybe something in all this might have helped
> > maybe a bit. 
> > 
> > Michael
> > On Sun, Dec 4, 2022 at 12:46 PM J Martin Rushton <
> > martinrushto...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > > 
> > > Our handbell team rings some pieces from normal scores, and some
> > > from a tablature notation.  I had a go at converting one of our
> > > favourite pieces from tablature to scores, but some of the bars
> > > become so complex that I'm not sure this helps at all.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Has anyone else done handbells on Lilypond?  As a supplementary
> > > question, does anyone know of any software that can generate
> > > handbell tablatures?
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > Martin
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > J Martin Rushton MBCS
-- 
J Martin Rushton MBCS
-- 

J Martin Rushton MBCS

Re: Handbell notation

[J Martin Rushton]

Hi Michael
I've mocked up the same two bars in LibreOffice as tablature:

Where you see a dot and a number, the dot indicates half a beat's rest,
so that row three of the first beat is interpreted as r8 b8   In the
second bar, first beat, the "5 6" is c8 b8  The bolded top row
indicates the tune, which typically needs to be run a little harder
whilst the lower bells ring softer.  The problem comes with setting,
for instance, the first beat.  I tried using things like
<< \relative c' {\stemDown g'4 4 g4 4 } \\ \relative c' { s8
b'8 s8 d8 e4 d4 } >> |  << \relative c' { 4 4 } \\ \relative
c' \autoBeamOff { c'8 8 e,8 8 } >> 4 4 |
for the accompaniment but it is horrible and confused.I've a
feeling that need to change the g'4 in the first beat to g'8 ~ g8 to
keep all the stems together.  I'll report back after testing.
I hope that that clarifies things a little,
Martin
On Sun, 2022-12-04 at 13:14 -0500, Michael Werner wrote:
> Hi Martin.
> Well, I'm still pretty new to Lilypond but I have done some handbell
> music.  I don't play them myself - my mother is the musician while
> I'm her tech support, I guess would be the way to phrase it. My
> approach with the more complex pieces her group was doing was to
> generate a somewhat simplified version just for her. I would make
> sure to retain enough of the main melody line that she could follow
> it, while cutting out anything else I could. Of course I had to make
> sure to leave in the notes that she was responsible for. Wouldn't
> work too well without them. Also I would put a larger callout symbol
> above each note she rings to help her see them - she's pushing 80
> years old and her eyesight is going. While I was at it, I would also
> produce a complete version. But that was mainly just me playing
> around and gaining some experience.
> 
> A lot of that was made a bit easier by just carving up the piece in
> multiple voices, with each voice going into a variable. Then I could
> assemble the appropriate piece of music by just calling the variables
> I needed for that particular version. Lots of possibilities to redo
> entire scores without having to retype a whole bunch of music.
> 
> As for handbell tablature I've never seen it. None of the handbell
> music she has brought home for me to play with has had any tablature,
> just the "normal" music. Tablature for a few other instruments, yes,
> but not handbells.
> 
> Well, this was kind of rambling - sorry about that. Like I said I'm
> still kinda new to Lilypond. It's been an interesting journey so far,
> with still quite a long ways to go. Still trying to get a decent
> grasp on the whole Scheme thing. Oh well. Just gotta keep trying, I
> guess. Hope maybe something in all this might have helped maybe a
> bit. 
> 
> Michael
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2022 at 12:46 PM J Martin Rushton <
> martinrushto...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > Our handbell team rings some pieces from normal scores, and some
> > from a tablature notation.  I had a go at converting one of our
> > favourite pieces from tablature to scores, but some of the bars
> > become so complex that I'm not sure this helps at all.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Has anyone else done handbells on Lilypond?  As a supplementary
> > question, does anyone know of any software that can generate
> > handbell tablatures?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Martin
> > 
> > -- 
> > J Martin Rushton MBCS
-- 
J Martin Rushton MBCS

Handbell notation

[J Martin Rushton]

Hi all,

Our handbell team rings some pieces from normal scores, and some from a
tablature notation.  I had a go at converting one of our favourite
pieces from tablature to scores, but some of the bars become so complex
that I'm not sure this helps at all.



Has anyone else done handbells on Lilypond?  As a supplementary
question, does anyone know of any software that can generate handbell
tablatures?

Thanks,
Martin

-- 
J Martin Rushton MBCS

Re: LilyPond-2.22.2 does not work on Windows XP

[J Martin Rushton]

On Fri, 2022-10-14 at 01:51 -0700, Aaron Hill wrote:
> On 2022-10-14 12:18 am, J Martin Rushton wrote:
> > For some reason best known to Microsoft Windows held
> > systems down in 32-bit node for years after they were internally
> > 64-
> > bit.
> 
> Microsoft did not "hold systems down".  In the era of XP, Windows
> came 
> in a 64-bit version, colloquially known as XP64.  The main issue was 
> that most consumers at that time only had access to 32-bit hardware,
> so 
> it was not a priority to market 64-bit support.
> 
> Over time, computer manufacturers have made 64-bit hardware the
> norm; 
> but as anyone with IT experience knows: clients are rarely eager to 
> spend money upgrading when things are not completely broken.  (And
> even 
> then when the office is on fire, some are still stingy.)  So 
> notwithstanding the average home user facing rising costs of new 
> computers, Microsoft has many business, educational, and government 
> customers that would all have to get aboard the 64-bit train.
> 
> As I recall, Windows 10 was supposed to launch as 64-bit only; yet
> even 
> it still has an installation option to run on 32-bit processors.  It
> is 
> looking like Windows 11 will be the first release to draw the line
> in 
> the sand and cut off old hardware.
> 
> 
> -- Aaron Hill
Perhaps then trying to source XP64 would be a solution for the OP?

Maybe it was the supply chain that shipped 32-bit XP on 64-bit machines
or maybe MS didn't want to push it for some reason?  The fact remains
that in the XP era there were plenty of 64-bit machines hamstrung by a
32-bit OS.
-- 
J Martin Rushton MBCS

Re: LilyPond-2.22.2 does not work on Windows XP

[J Martin Rushton]

Probably quite off the wall and not acceptable, but there are other
operating systems!  At work we regularly repurposed old 32-bit Windows
boxes as up to date 64-bit Linux boxes when a special use one-off node
was needed.  For some reason best known to Microsoft Windows held
systems down in 32-bit node for years after they were internally 64-
bit.  the other thing is that Linux generally has a lighter demand on
the system that Windows and will run nicely on some older machines. 
Come out of the dark into the light!:-)
-- 
J Martin Rushton MBCS

Re: Alternative to Frescobaldi

[J Martin Rushton]

The system does produce sound (CD/DVD, YouTube, annoying "ta-da" alerts
etc.  I'll have to experiment with fluidsynth tomorrow evening,
unfortunately I'm a bit tied up until then.
On Sat, 2022-09-03 at 15:06 -0500, Guy Stalnaker wrote:
> Does the system produce sound (so you know sound drivers are
> working). 
> If yes, does fluidsynth produce sound output if you use it to play a
> midi file from a to terminal (you have to provide cli options for
> output device, eg ALSA, and soundfont, full path). 
> 
> If yes, can you start fluidsynth in server mode and, optionally,
> specify the name (or perhaps use QSynth for this), or use #> ps -ef
> to see the fluidsynth process id, then check in Frescobaldi if that
> process ID/name shows in the midi preferences config? 
> 
> It's flyidsynth that converts midi to sound. If I remember rightly
> all Frescobaldi does is pass the midi data to fluidsynth when it's
> running in server mode.
> 
> But you can probably play midi files with timiditu, playmidi, etc
> even if the above won't work.
> 
> Hopefully.
> 
> On Sat, Sep 3, 2022, 12:14 PM J Martin Rushton <
> martinrushto...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > On Sun, 2022-09-04 at 00:52 +1000, Andrew Bernard wrote:
> > 
> > > Using Alma Linux 9 I can get Frescobaldi running with flatpak. I
> > 
> > > just 
> > 
> > > installed it - no messing around. See attached image.
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > Have not tried Alma Linux 8.6.
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > I have not hammered it to test but the fact that it works is
> > 
> > > something. 
> > 
> > > You can seen in the images there are some errors on the terminal.
> > 
> > > But 
> > 
> > > I'd rather fiddle with source to address those than build F from
> > 
> > > source, 
> > 
> > > which is still ridiculously hard with so many python stumbling
> > 
> > > blocks, 
> > 
> > > even when using Qt5.
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > > Andrew
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> > Well that seems to work now after a fashion.  I don't know if it
> > was
> > 
> > the 52 packages I installed via dnf, two packages via pip3 (pip
> > doesn't
> > 
> > work) or linking qmake -> qmake-qt5.  MIDI still isn't producing
> > any
> > 
> > sound, but that may well be local configuration.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Anyhow, thanks very much.  I've added it to the menu system and it
> > runs
> > 
> > up happily without a VT.  Just in time for a competition I've tried
> > for
> > 
> > in the past, but didn't manage to get a decent score last year.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Kind regards,
> > 
> > Martin
> > 
> > 
> > 
-- 
J Martin Rushton MBCS

Re: Alternative to Frescobaldi

[J Martin Rushton]

On Sun, 2022-09-04 at 00:52 +1000, Andrew Bernard wrote:
> Using Alma Linux 9 I can get Frescobaldi running with flatpak. I
> just 
> installed it - no messing around. See attached image.
> 
> Have not tried Alma Linux 8.6.
> 
> I have not hammered it to test but the fact that it works is
> something. 
> You can seen in the images there are some errors on the terminal.
> But 
> I'd rather fiddle with source to address those than build F from
> source, 
> which is still ridiculously hard with so many python stumbling
> blocks, 
> even when using Qt5.
> 
> Andrew
> 
Well that seems to work now after a fashion.  I don't know if it was
the 52 packages I installed via dnf, two packages via pip3 (pip doesn't
work) or linking qmake -> qmake-qt5.  MIDI still isn't producing any
sound, but that may well be local configuration.

Anyhow, thanks very much.  I've added it to the menu system and it runs
up happily without a VT.  Just in time for a competition I've tried for
in the past, but didn't manage to get a decent score last year.

Kind regards,
Martin

-- 
J Martin Rushton MBCS

Re: Alternative to Frescobaldi

[J Martin Rushton]

On Sat, 2022-09-03 at 06:50 +0200, Jean Abou Samra wrote:
> 
> Le 02/09/2022 à 22:43, J Martin Rushton a écrit :
> > I've just spent another couple of hours clearing out previous
> > attempts
> > to get Frescobaldi running and attempting to sort out its
> > dependency
> > hell.
> > [...]
> > I'm running AlmaLinux 8.6 if that helps.
> 
> Would it work for you to us the Frescobaldi Flatpak package?
> 
> https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi

I've tried the flatpack in the past and didn't get anywhere with it.

-- 
J Martin Rushton MBCS

Re: Alternative to Frescobaldi

[J Martin Rushton]

On Sat, 2022-09-03 at 11:23 +1000, Andrew Bernard wrote:
> Well well. Alma Linux is indeed a fine distro, but now I agree with
> you 
> about dependencies on this linux. Part of the process to install
> PyQt4 
> is to install enough of Qt4 to get qmake and that's a nightmare.
> It's 
> absurdly complicated. And Qt4 has been obsoleted anyway, making this
> all 
> that much harder.
> 
> How committed are you to Alma Linux? At this point I would recommend
> a 
> distro that you don't have to fight with, such as Ubuntu, which has 
> frescobaldi in the repo anyway.
> 
> If you cannot or will not change from Alma Linux I can push on. Do
> let 
> me know.
> 
> Andrew
> 

Pretty committed.  I ran CentOS on this machine for several years until
it was killed off, then switched to Alma.  It runs as the home server
(DNS, DHCP, web, OwnCloud, Dokuwiki, disk farm and backups) so
switching to another distro would be a right royal pain for the whole
family.  I also prefer the stability of a enterprise distro rather than
the vagaries of a rolling one.

> 
> On 3/09/2022 9:37 am, Andrew Bernard wrote:
> > I've come late to this thread, but if you are on Alma Linux I'll
> > run a 
> > VM up and figure this for you. Don''t despair.
> > 
> > I'm not aware of any 'dependency hell' on several other Linux
> > distros, 
> > so let me sort this out and post a set of instructions how to
> > install it.
> > 
-- 
J Martin Rushton MBCS

Re: Alternative to Frescobaldi

[J Martin Rushton]

On Fri, 2022-09-02 at 19:53 -0500, David Wright wrote:
> On Fri 02 Sep 2022 at 22:46:01 (+0100), J Martin Rushton wrote:
> > On Fri, 2022-09-02 at 16:17 -0500, David Wright wrote:
> > > On Fri 02 Sep 2022 at 21:43:25 (+0100), J Martin Rushton wrote:
> > > > I've just spent another couple of hours clearing out previous
> > > > attempts
> > > > to get Frescobaldi running and attempting to sort out its
> > > > dependency
> > > > hell.
> > > > 
> > > > Is there any alternative to Frescobaldi?
> > > 
> > > An editor (emacs) + LilyPond + PDF viewer (xpdf).
> > > (My choices in parentheses.)
> > > 
> > > > I'm running AlmaLinux 8.6 if that helps.
> > > 
> > > Not a great deal; does it mean that F~ isn't part of the
> > > distribution?
> > > 
> > My preference is for vi, but yes, that's what I've been using for
> > the
> > last couple of years since F~ stopped working.  What I miss though
> > is
> > the back link from the score to the source, and the MIDI playback.
> 
> 0. Which PDF viewer, and which version of LP?

Evince
$ lilypond -v
GNU LilyPond 2.22.1
...

> 
> 1. Does the PDF have the textedit URLs?
>$ grep -a textedit foo.pdf
>/URI(textedit:///tmp/restpos.ly:4:16:17)>>
>  ………

Yes

> 2. Does the PDF viewer see them? Look for cursor to change as you
>move over a notehead.

Yes

> 3. Run the PDF viewer from the commandline. Click on an active
>notehead. What appears on the console? Anything like:
>  lilypond-invoke-editor (GNU LilyPond) 2.22.0

"textedit:///BlowAwayTheMorningDew.ly:35:16:17"

> 4. Is lilypond-invoke-editor defined?
>$ which lilypond-invoke-editor
>/usr/bin/lilypond-invoke-editor

$ command -v lilypond
/opt/bin/lilypond
$ ls -l /opt/bin/lilypond
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 112 Feb 13  2022 /opt/bin/lilypond
$ ls -l /opt/bin/lilypond-invoke-editor
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 Feb 13  2022 /opt/bin/lilypond-invoke-editor
-> /opt/bin/lilypond-wrapper.guile


> 5. Can lilypond-invoke-editor open a file in an editor,
>preferably the one you want?
>$ lilypond-invoke-editor textedit:///tmp/foo.txt:2:4:6
>/tmp/foo.txt is the full path to any old text file with
>more than a couple of lines in it. The cursor should land
>on the second line, four chars along.

$ lilypond-invoke-editor
textedit:BlowAwayTheMorningDew.ly:2:4:6
lilypond-invoke-editor (GNU LilyPond) 2.22.1
sh: emacsclient: command not found
sh: emacs: command not found

> How many of those steps work?
> 
> And at the other end of the process, are you starting vi as
> a server, with something like:
> 
> $ gvim
> $ vim --servername GVIM
> $ vi --servername gvim
> 
> (letter-case unimportant), else you might see:
> E247: no registered server named "GVIM": Send failed.

$ vi BlowAwayTheMorningDew.ly

FYI
$ command -v vi
/usr/bin/vi
bash-4.4$ ls -l /usr/bin/vi
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1180368 Aug  2 17:57 /usr/bin/vi

> Cheers,
> David.
-- 
J Martin Rushton MBCS

Re: Alternative to Frescobaldi

[J Martin Rushton]

On Fri, 2022-09-02 at 16:17 -0500, David Wright wrote:
> On Fri 02 Sep 2022 at 21:43:25 (+0100), J Martin Rushton wrote:
> > I've just spent another couple of hours clearing out previous
> > attempts
> > to get Frescobaldi running and attempting to sort out its
> > dependency
> > hell.
> > 
> > Is there any alternative to Frescobaldi?
> 
> An editor (emacs) + LilyPond + PDF viewer (xpdf).
> (My choices in parentheses.)
> 
> > I'm running AlmaLinux 8.6 if that helps.
> 
> Not a great deal; does it mean that F~ isn't part of the
> distribution?
> 
> Cheers,
> David.
My preference is for vi, but yes, that's what I've been using for the
last couple of years since F~ stopped working.  What I miss though is
the back link from the score to the source, and the MIDI playback.

-- 
J Martin Rushton MBCS

Alternative to Frescobaldi

[J Martin Rushton]

I've just spent another couple of hours clearing out previous attempts
to get Frescobaldi running and attempting to sort out its dependency
hell.

Is there any alternative to Frescobaldi?

I'm running AlmaLinux 8.6 if that helps.

-- 
J Martin Rushton MBCS

Re: LilyPond 2.23.8 released

[J Martin Rushton]

On Tue, 2022-04-26 at 17:14 +0200, Federico Bruni wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Apr 26 2022 at 08:04:40 +0100, J Martin Rushton 
>  wrote:
> > On Tue, 2022-04-26 at 00:03 +0200, Jean Abou Samra wrote:
> > >  I seem to recall that the Frescobaldi Flatpak package actually
> > >  bundles LilyPond. Maybe Federico can tell more?
> > > 
> > Frescobaldi hasn't run on some flavours of Linux properly for two
> > or
> > three years.  I think it stopped working around CentOS 7.9 and
> > doesn't
> > work correctly under AlmaLinux.  The flatpack version won't run
> > correctly either, so beware!
> > 
> 
> I guess that the flatpak version is not working as you expect
> because 
> you're missing some knowledge about flatpak.
> If you think something is not working, please open an issue here:
> https://github.com/flathub/org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi/issues
> 
OK, I'll have yet another go, perhaps the dependencies have been fixed
in the recent updates.  Funny, neither my pencil nor the manuscript
paper I bought ages ago has any dependencies that stop it functioning!

Re: LilyPond 2.23.8 released

[J Martin Rushton]

On Tue, 2022-04-26 at 00:03 +0200, Jean Abou Samra wrote:
> I seem to recall that the Frescobaldi Flatpak package actually
> bundles LilyPond. Maybe Federico can tell more?
> 
Frescobaldi hasn't run on some flavours of Linux properly for two or
three years.  I think it stopped working around CentOS 7.9 and doesn't
work correctly under AlmaLinux.  The flatpack version won't run
correctly either, so beware!

Martin

Re: Feedback wanted: syntax highlighting in the LilyPond documentation

[J Martin Rushton]

OK, I'll admit I only skimmed it, hence "I've saved the paper to read
later"!  I've got Doob's "A Gentle Introduction to TeX" and Oetiker's
"The Not So Short Introduction to LaTeX2e" both of which keep to the
fixed width convention.  Again, I'll be honest, I rarely use them since
I've retired though.

On Tue, 2022-01-04 at 15:48 +0100, David Kastrup wrote:
> J Martin Rushton  writes:
> 
> > Interesting Aaron, but I do note that the paper is from 1983 and
> > didn't
> > catch on.  I wonder if there is a reason for that?  I've saved the
> > paper to read later.  Personally I don't know of a single language
> > that
> > is happy with word processor output as source code, but then I may
> > be
> > proved wrong.  Knuth seems to be addressing issues that have been
> > effectively bypassed by the rise of object orientated code.  I was
> > trained in a macro assembler (VAX-Macro) and am well aware of their
> > advantage for repeated idioms, but if they are just another layer
> > on
> > the top they can merely double the size of the language to master.
> > 
> > In passing, although Knuth uses variable width fonts in the first
> > six
> > pages, I note that as soon as he starts to give firm code on page 7
> > onwards he uses fixed width!
> 
> Uh, you are talking about "D. HOW THE EXAMPLE WAS SPECIFIED" which
> displays the macros used for typesetting the Literate Programming
> example.
> 
> That's sort of like complaining that someone lauding some computer
> language bootstraps his compiler from a different system.
> 
> Knuth has written both TeX and METAFONT entirely in his WEB
> programming
> system for Literate Programming.  I have the printed book for TeX.
> 
> > On Tue, 2022-01-04 at 05:10 -0800, Aaron Hill wrote:
> > > On 2022-01-04 4:19 am, J Martin Rushton wrote:
> > > > Sorry to disagree, but fixed pitch is _so_ much easier to lay
> > > > out
> > > > in an
> > > > editor.  Documentation flows nicely with variable pitch and
> > > > fancy
> > > > hidden formats, but for code (and Lily's input is a programming
> > > > language) you just want the plain line-by-line ASCII.  It is,
> > > > as
> > > > you
> > > > say, industry standard; and that is for a good reason.
> > > 
> > > As a counterpoint, Knuth's work with literate programming [1]
> > > showed
> > > it 
> > > was possible to have typographically beautiful setting of code
> > > for
> > > use 
> > > in print.  His style largely used proportional fonts though some 
> > > elements were still rendered in fixed width to provide useful
> > > contrast.  
> > > While Knuth's approach is not perfect for every language, I argue
> > > the 
> > > vast majority of programming books out there really should have
> > > followed 
> > > suit.  Editors (the people, not programs) seem to struggle with 
> > > fixed-width typefaces, and typos were abundant.
> > > 
> > > Going beyond printed documentation, some IDEs like Source
> > > Insight 
> > > enabled and encouraged programmers to use proportional fonts,
> > > where 
> > > horizontal alignment was something handled by the system not the 
> > > programmer.  Though I do concede this was probably a novelty,
> > > seeing
> > > as 
> > > these days terminals and editors still rely on fixed pitch.
> > > 
> > > [1]: http://www.literateprogramming.com/knuthweb.pdf
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -- Aaron Hill
-- 
J Martin Rushton MBCS

Re: Feedback wanted: syntax highlighting in the LilyPond documentation

[J Martin Rushton]

Interesting Aaron, but I do note that the paper is from 1983 and didn't
catch on.  I wonder if there is a reason for that?  I've saved the
paper to read later.  Personally I don't know of a single language that
is happy with word processor output as source code, but then I may be
proved wrong.  Knuth seems to be addressing issues that have been
effectively bypassed by the rise of object orientated code.  I was
trained in a macro assembler (VAX-Macro) and am well aware of their
advantage for repeated idioms, but if they are just another layer on
the top they can merely double the size of the language to master.

In passing, although Knuth uses variable width fonts in the first six
pages, I note that as soon as he starts to give firm code on page 7
onwards he uses fixed width!

On Tue, 2022-01-04 at 05:10 -0800, Aaron Hill wrote:
> On 2022-01-04 4:19 am, J Martin Rushton wrote:
> > Sorry to disagree, but fixed pitch is _so_ much easier to lay out
> > in an
> > editor.  Documentation flows nicely with variable pitch and fancy
> > hidden formats, but for code (and Lily's input is a programming
> > language) you just want the plain line-by-line ASCII.  It is, as
> > you
> > say, industry standard; and that is for a good reason.
> 
> As a counterpoint, Knuth's work with literate programming [1] showed
> it 
> was possible to have typographically beautiful setting of code for
> use 
> in print.  His style largely used proportional fonts though some 
> elements were still rendered in fixed width to provide useful
> contrast.  
> While Knuth's approach is not perfect for every language, I argue
> the 
> vast majority of programming books out there really should have
> followed 
> suit.  Editors (the people, not programs) seem to struggle with 
> fixed-width typefaces, and typos were abundant.
> 
> Going beyond printed documentation, some IDEs like Source Insight 
> enabled and encouraged programmers to use proportional fonts, where 
> horizontal alignment was something handled by the system not the 
> programmer.  Though I do concede this was probably a novelty, seeing
> as 
> these days terminals and editors still rely on fixed pitch.
> 
> [1]: http://www.literateprogramming.com/knuthweb.pdf
> 
> 
> -- Aaron Hill
-- 
J Martin Rushton MBCS

Re: Feedback wanted: syntax highlighting in the LilyPond documentation

[J Martin Rushton]

Paul,
Sorry to disagree, but fixed pitch is _so_ much easier to lay out in an
editor.  Documentation flows nicely with variable pitch and fancy
hidden formats, but for code (and Lily's input is a programming
language) you just want the plain line-by-line ASCII.  It is, as you
say, industry standard; and that is for a good reason.
Regards,MartinOn Tue, 2022-01-04 at 10:14 +, Paul McKay wrote:
> Hi
> Speaking as someone whose eyesight isn't quite as good as it used to
> be, I'd like to suggest that anything in a colour is also in bold so
> that there are enough pixels for me to see what the colour is. 
> 
> And this seems the appropriate place to ask why the examples are all
> in fixed pitch Courier in any case. I know this is kind of  industry
> standard but it's one I don't find particularly helpful. I was once
> adept on the card punch machines and mechanical typewriters, but I
> think most of us abandoned fixed pitch fonts long, long ago. I'd
> suggest a sans serif font so that there's a clear contrast with the
> Georgia used as the text font in the documentation. Helvetica,
> Franklin Gothic and Source Sans Pro look good but I realize they
> might not be available on some platforms.
> 
> HTH
> Paul McKay
> 
> On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 at 23:33, David Kastrup  wrote:
> > Flaming Hakama by Elaine  writes:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > In this sense, it seems like the place that has the most
> > potential use
> > 
> > > for helping people distinguish different data types is where the
> > 
> > > syntax is the most complicated and dense, which is in music
> > entry.
> > 
> > >
> > 
> > > The ability to quickly distinguish articulations, dynamics,
> > notes, and
> > 
> > > durations seems like it would probably be most useful to people
> > 
> > > reading examples in docs, since that is the most unusual aspect
> > of
> > 
> > > lilypond syntax.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I find splitting a8 into different colors about as helpful for
> > reading
> > 
> > music as coloring note stems differently would be for reading score
> > 
> > sheets: there is a standard place they are attached to anyway and
> > there
> > 
> > is no particular reason to look elsewhere.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > It would be much more useful to highlight note lengths separated by
> > 
> > space but still common to a preceding note or rest, like
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > \drummode { bd4 r r 4. 8 }
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > where the 4. is sucked into the second r likely unintentionally.
> > 
> > Highlighting this is helpful.  When there is a general "angry fruit
> > 
> > salad" flavor pervading the highlighting with lots of colors
> > everywhere,
> > 
> > there just is not a lot of attention one can draw to actually
> > important
> > 
> > things.
> > 
> > 
> > 
-- 
J Martin Rushton MBCS

Re: clef change in 1st ending

[J Martin Rushton]

Ooops! Wrong thread.  Sorry.

On Wed, 2021-10-27 at 22:28 +0100, J Martin Rushton wrote:
> Kevin,
> Just a tiny typo: in the last verse of "Go where the glory waits
> thee"
> you have "Draw_w_ one tear from thee;"
> 
> Regards,
> Martin
> 
> 

Re: Early (very early) project: The Celtic Song Book (c) 1928

[J Martin Rushton]

Sorry, this was posted to the wrong thread yesterday:


Kevin,
Just a tiny typo: in the last verse of "Go where the glory waits thee"
you have "Draw_w_ one tear from thee;"

Regards,
Martin

Re: clef change in 1st ending

[J Martin Rushton]

Kevin,
Just a tiny typo: in the last verse of "Go where the glory waits thee"
you have "Draw_w_ one tear from thee;"

Regards,
Martin

Re: LilyPond available on Wikipedia again

[J Martin Rushton]

On 21/08/2021 06:09, Werner LEMBERG wrote:


Due to security concerns the ` ... ` extension to embed
LilyPond (and ABC) scores in Wikipedia pages that are displayed
automatically were disabled for more than a year.

   https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T257066

This has been reactivated now.  It seems, however, that not all
details have been resolved yet; if you find problems please report
them at

   https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/mediawiki-extensions-score/


 Werner

Following on from this I'm trying to sort out some existing scores in 
WP.  Most are OK, but one 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O_Come,_O_Come,_Emmanuel is giving me some 
grief.  The way I used to do it was by including gregorian.ly, turning 
off the barline engraver and using \divisioMaxima and \finalis as 
appropriate.  However, includes are not allowed now.  I have replaced 
all the divisios with \bar "|" and the finalis with \bar "||" which 
seems to work, but only if I turn the barline engraver back on. 
Unfiortunately the system then applies a default time signature of 4/4 
and puts in its own barlines, which is not wanted.  I've tried \remove 
"Default_bar_line_engraver", but that appears to have no effect.


Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Martin


--
J Martin Rushton MBCS

Re: Terminology question

[J Martin Rushton]

Err, we're back to a terminology question.  Strictly speaking possession 
is one use of the more general genitive which gives a relationship, 
consider:


Give me William's book   - The book owned by William.
Let's go to John's local - The pub frequented by John.

Both are genitives, but only the first is possessive.  Evidently the 
term "possessive case" only came into use in C18, prior to that genitive 
had been universally used.  In short: "possessive case" is a limited 
subset of the grammatical genitive case.



On 20/06/2021 09:50, Kevin Barry wrote:

The problem is that in English we would say "the soldier's weapons", but
that's partly because we only have a genitive and not an ablative case.


I think this is the possessive case, not genitive.



--
J Martin Rushton MBCS

Re: Terminology question

[J Martin Rushton]

Robert,

Are you sure about the genitive?  I would have thought the ablative 
would be more appropriate; consider:


rex armis militum interfectus est

The King was killed by the weapons of the soldiers.

The problem is that in English we would say "the soldier's weapons", but 
that's partly because we only have a genitive and not an ablative case.


Martin

On 20/06/2021 04:06, Robert Gaebler wrote:

David,

Good point.  You could look at it as a noun adjunct.  A noun modifying
another noun, serving in the capacity of an adjective, in this case.

I imagine that in an inflected language, such as Latin, the noun 
“dynamic” would
be in the genitive case while the noun “level” would be in accusative 
case (since
it is the object of the verb I used, “denotes”). That would have the 
sentence
translate to English as “It denotes a level of dynamic to be expressed” 
which doesn’t

really change the meaning.





BoG



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Re: Wikipedia scores

[J Martin Rushton]

Thanks Federico & Andrew.  @Andrew, music is a high priority with some 
WP editors, the problem lies with WikiMedia which is the software WP is 
built on.  In passing, I see that non-WP users of score have not been 
informed.  See https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T257066#6297061


Martin

On 29/11/2020 22:16, Andrew Bernard wrote:
 From that discussion they are keeping the security problem hidden for 
security reasons! Not accessible to volunteers. Therefore I would say 
this is unlikely to ever be fixed. Music is not a high priority at 
Wikipedia as far as I can see.



Andrew


On 30/11/2020 9:06 am, J Martin Rushton wrote:
I don't know if all members of this newsgroup are aware but for many 
years Wikipedia has supported the ... extension to 
produce scores and midi in displayed pages from Lily source.  However 
since summer this year scores have been disabled for undisclosed 
security concerns.


See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Water_of_Tyne for an example of 
a disabled score.


See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Score and 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Musical_scores_not_working 


for discussions of this problem.

Does anyone here have any input? Is there a known problem within LP 
that is causing WP problems?  Can we help WP at all?






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Wikipedia scores

[J Martin Rushton]

I don't know if all members of this newsgroup are aware but for many 
years Wikipedia has supported the ... extension to 
produce scores and midi in displayed pages from Lily source.  However 
since summer this year scores have been disabled for undisclosed 
security concerns.


See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Water_of_Tyne for an example of a 
disabled score.


See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Score and 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Musical_scores_not_working

for discussions of this problem.

Does anyone here have any input? Is there a known problem within LP that 
is causing WP problems?  Can we help WP at all?


Regards,
Martin


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Re: Frescobaldi+LilyPond flatpak package now available

[J Martin Rushton]

OS amended.  Sorry

On 05/11/2020 21:47, J Martin Rushton wrote:

Hi Federico,

I welcome this since I've been having problems with Frescobaldi under 
both CentOS 7 and 8 for a while.


I followed the setup guide on the host CentOS 7 machine and downloaded 
the flathub repository file.  First problem: I had to be root to install 
it - I thought flatpak was meant to be at user level?


I then installed Frescobaldi (using cut-and-paste).  If I tried to run 
it as a user I got the message: "error: 
app/org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi/x86_64/master not installed".  As a test 
I tried running it as root (I know, bad practice) and the window opened, 
but then hung and would not die.


Any suggestions?

Regards,
Martin

On 05/11/2020 20:48, Federico Bruni wrote:

Hi folks

I'm happy to announce that Frescobaldi is now available for Linux 
users also as flatpak on Flathub:

https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi

Advantages:
- LilyPond is bundled, so it's a very simple installation.
- All runtime dependencies are included.
- Sandbox.

Bugs:
- Doumentation browser is not working.
There's something wrong in the way I built PyQtWebEngine...


Current stable installed size is 287 MB. (not including the KDE runtime)
Current beta release shipping lilypond 2.21.80 is 245 MB (no need to 
include python2).


Installing the stable version should be straightforward.
If you want to install the beta version (which currently has only the 
"stable RC" of lilypond), run these commands:


flatpak remote-add --user flathub-beta 
https://flathub.org/beta-repo/flathub-beta.flatpakrepo

flatpak install --user flathub-beta org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi


Cheers
Federico





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Re: Spreadsheet - Python – Ly

[J Martin Rushton]

Hi Max,

Caveat: I've not used this personally, my scores are not complex enough.

One of the standard ways of handling this is to use make 
(https://www.gnu.org/software/make).  Basically you write a makefile 
which tells make which files to compile and use that as the input to 
Lilypond.  Make is clever though, and can select files on the basis of 
the last time they were changed, or if given parameters (for instance to 
generate part scores).


See http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.21/Documentation/usage/make-and-makefiles 
for Lily's take on this.


Regards,
Martin

On 20/11/2020 16:03, Maximilian Marcoll wrote:

Hi Everyone,

Over last last couple of days I have been thinking about possible ways 
to organize the engraving of a rather large piece (~45+ staves) in Lilypond.
My problem is that the piece in question might undergo significant 
changes in the future, so I need access to both instrument-wise and 
measure-wise organisation simultaneously.
I am considering to enter the entire music in a huge excel spreadsheet 
and to write a (python)-script to create one .ly file per voice,
storing all the music in variables that can be used both in the full 
score and the individual parts.


I’m having difficulties imagining that I am the first one to have this 
idea, but couldn’t find anything online.


Any hints?

Thanks a lot!

Cheers,

Max

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Re: Frescobaldi+LilyPond flatpak package now available

[J Martin Rushton]

Hi all,

Latest news on running F/L on a VM.  Everything except the MIDI worked 
fine on both CentOS 8 and Fedora.  Unfortunately using QEMU/KVM gives me 
only a basic audio card which works fine for things like YouTube, but 
silently ignores the MIDI stream.


CentOS 7 has just had a point release (7.9), so I'll try again on the 
host.  If it works I'll report back.


--
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Re: Frescobaldi+LilyPond flatpak package now available

[J Martin Rushton]

Hi Federico

Inline

On 06/11/2020 21:06, Federico Bruni wrote:
Il giorno ven 6 nov 2020 alle 16:29, J Martin Rushton 
 ha scritto:

Now running as myself:

$ flatpak remote-add --if-not-exists flathub 
https://flathub.org/repo/flathub.flatpakrepo

$ flatpak remotes
Name    Options
flathub system
$ flatpak install flathub org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi
Required runtime for org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi/x86_64/stable 
(runtime/org.kde.Platform/x86_64/5.15) found in remote flathub

Do you want to install it? [y/n]: y
Installing in system:
org.kde.Platform/x86_64/5.15  flathub 61f67bf3e852
org.freedesktop.Platform.GL.default/x86_64/20.08  flathub 82a8e234463f
org.freedesktop.Platform.VAAPI.Intel/x86_64/20.08 flathub 842257eb3e76
org.freedesktop.Platform.openh264/x86_64/2.0  flathub 73f998362a6f
org.kde.KStyle.Adwaita/x86_64/5.15    flathub 2f6e4ae8bc10
org.kde.Platform.Locale/x86_64/5.15   flathub 01ece85ac288
org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi/x86_64/stable flathub 54532dddeb5d
  permissions: ipc, network, pulseaudio, x11, devices
  file access: home, xdg-config/kdeglobals:ro
  dbus access: com.canonical.AppMenu.Registrar
org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi.Locale/x86_64/stable  flathub cc17a220dabb
Is this ok [y/n]: y
Installing: org.kde.Platform/x86_64/5.15 from flathub
error: Failed to install org.kde.Platform/x86_64/5.15: 
openat(refs/remotes/flathub/runtime/org.kde.Platform/x86_64/5.15): 
Permission denied




You likely have wrong permissions in some directory in /var.
The error occurs when trying to install the first dependency.

Check /var/tmp.  I have:

$ ls -lhd /var/tmp
drwxrwxrwt. 1 root root 3,4K 6 nov 21.50 /var/tmp


# ls -ld /var/tmp
drwxrwxrwt. 133 root root 16384 Nov  6 21:30 /var/tmp

Another possibility is that you don't have enough disk space in /var. 
But this is just a guess, as it implies a wrong error message from flatpak.


# df -h /var
Filesystem Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/mapper/Tamar-Var   20G  9.9G  8.3G  55% /var

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Re: Frescobaldi+LilyPond flatpak package now available

[J Martin Rushton]

Hi Federico

Some good news at last!  I've got it running on the C8 VM :-)

The remote-add command needed authentication to install, and the actual 
installation asked for my password twice for every file!  Normally that 
means that it has installed as root (using sudo).  Now all I need to do 
is persuade the host machine to accept sound from the VM.


Thanks for your help in this, I'd guess it is an issue with down rev 
flatpak in C7.  I'll drop a line once I've checked out Fedora, but I 
doubt that there'll be any problems now.


Many thanks,
Martin

On 06/11/2020 16:29, J Martin Rushton wrote:

Hi Federico

I first looked at a yum remove flatpak, but the dependencies were such 
that I abandoned that idea!  I then ran (as root):


# flatpak list
Ref   Options
org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi/x86_64/stable system,current
org.freedesktop.Platform.GL.default/x86_64/20.08  system,runtime
org.freedesktop.Platform.VAAPI.Intel/x86_64/20.08 system,runtime
org.freedesktop.Platform.openh264/x86_64/2.0  system,runtime
org.kde.KStyle.Adwaita/x86_64/5.15    system,runtime
org.kde.Platform/x86_64/5.15  system,runtime
# flatpak uninstall --all
Uninstalling from system:
org.freedesktop.Platform.GL.default/x86_64/20.08
org.freedesktop.Platform.VAAPI.Intel/x86_64/20.08
org.freedesktop.Platform.openh264/x86_64/2.0
org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi/x86_64/stable
org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi.Locale/x86_64/stable
org.kde.KStyle.Adwaita/x86_64/5.15
org.kde.Platform/x86_64/5.15
org.kde.Platform.Locale/x86_64/5.15
Is this ok [y/n]: y
Uninstalling: org.freedesktop.Platform.GL.default/x86_64/20.08
Uninstalling: org.freedesktop.Platform.VAAPI.Intel/x86_64/20.08
Uninstalling: org.freedesktop.Platform.openh264/x86_64/2.0
Uninstalling: org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi/x86_64/stable
Uninstalling: org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi.Locale/x86_64/stable
Uninstalling: org.kde.KStyle.Adwaita/x86_64/5.15
Uninstalling: org.kde.Platform/x86_64/5.15
Uninstalling: org.kde.Platform.Locale/x86_64/5.15
# flatpak list

# flatpak remotes
Name    Options
flathub system
# flatpak remote-delete flathub
# flatpak remotes

#

Now running as myself:

$ flatpak remote-add --if-not-exists flathub 
https://flathub.org/repo/flathub.flatpakrepo

$ flatpak remotes
Name    Options
flathub system
$ flatpak install flathub org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi
Required runtime for org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi/x86_64/stable 
(runtime/org.kde.Platform/x86_64/5.15) found in remote flathub

Do you want to install it? [y/n]: y
Installing in system:
org.kde.Platform/x86_64/5.15  flathub 61f67bf3e852
org.freedesktop.Platform.GL.default/x86_64/20.08  flathub 82a8e234463f
org.freedesktop.Platform.VAAPI.Intel/x86_64/20.08 flathub 842257eb3e76
org.freedesktop.Platform.openh264/x86_64/2.0  flathub 73f998362a6f
org.kde.KStyle.Adwaita/x86_64/5.15    flathub 2f6e4ae8bc10
org.kde.Platform.Locale/x86_64/5.15   flathub 01ece85ac288
org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi/x86_64/stable flathub 54532dddeb5d
   permissions: ipc, network, pulseaudio, x11, devices
   file access: home, xdg-config/kdeglobals:ro
   dbus access: com.canonical.AppMenu.Registrar
org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi.Locale/x86_64/stable  flathub cc17a220dabb
Is this ok [y/n]: y
Installing: org.kde.Platform/x86_64/5.15 from flathub
error: Failed to install org.kde.Platform/x86_64/5.15: 
openat(refs/remotes/flathub/runtime/org.kde.Platform/x86_64/5.15): 
Permission denied


The remote-add command triggered a request for authorisation whereas the 
second command didn't - just failed.


I've been running this on my CentOS 7 host machine.  I'll give it a try 
on the C8 VM since C7 is getting a bit old now.  If that fails I'll try 
the Fedora 33 VM.


Regards,
Martin




On 06/11/2020 15:39, Federico Bruni wrote:
Il giorno ven 6 nov 2020 alle 12:02, J Martin Rushton 
 ha scritto:

I just followed links:
https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi
-> https://flatpak.org/setup/
-> https://flatpak.org/setup/CentOS/


Following up to my "wipe all" suggestion.

I read on Fedora setup here:
https://flatpak.org/setup/Fedora/

"""
The above links should work on the default GNOME and KDE Fedora 
installations, but if they fail for some reason you can manually add 
the Flathub remote by running:


flatpak remote-add --if-not-exists flathub 
https://flathub.org/repo/flathub.flatpakrepo

"""

So uninstall all flatpak apps, delete all remotes (flatpak 
remote-delete) and then add it back again _as user_ using above command.


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Re: Frescobaldi+LilyPond flatpak package now available

[J Martin Rushton]

Hi Federico

I first looked at a yum remove flatpak, but the dependencies were such 
that I abandoned that idea!  I then ran (as root):


# flatpak list
Ref   Options
org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi/x86_64/stable system,current
org.freedesktop.Platform.GL.default/x86_64/20.08  system,runtime
org.freedesktop.Platform.VAAPI.Intel/x86_64/20.08 system,runtime
org.freedesktop.Platform.openh264/x86_64/2.0  system,runtime
org.kde.KStyle.Adwaita/x86_64/5.15system,runtime
org.kde.Platform/x86_64/5.15  system,runtime
# flatpak uninstall --all
Uninstalling from system:
org.freedesktop.Platform.GL.default/x86_64/20.08
org.freedesktop.Platform.VAAPI.Intel/x86_64/20.08
org.freedesktop.Platform.openh264/x86_64/2.0
org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi/x86_64/stable
org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi.Locale/x86_64/stable
org.kde.KStyle.Adwaita/x86_64/5.15
org.kde.Platform/x86_64/5.15
org.kde.Platform.Locale/x86_64/5.15
Is this ok [y/n]: y
Uninstalling: org.freedesktop.Platform.GL.default/x86_64/20.08
Uninstalling: org.freedesktop.Platform.VAAPI.Intel/x86_64/20.08
Uninstalling: org.freedesktop.Platform.openh264/x86_64/2.0
Uninstalling: org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi/x86_64/stable
Uninstalling: org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi.Locale/x86_64/stable
Uninstalling: org.kde.KStyle.Adwaita/x86_64/5.15
Uninstalling: org.kde.Platform/x86_64/5.15
Uninstalling: org.kde.Platform.Locale/x86_64/5.15
# flatpak list

# flatpak remotes
NameOptions
flathub system
# flatpak remote-delete flathub
# flatpak remotes

#

Now running as myself:

$ flatpak remote-add --if-not-exists flathub 
https://flathub.org/repo/flathub.flatpakrepo

$ flatpak remotes
NameOptions
flathub system
$ flatpak install flathub org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi
Required runtime for org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi/x86_64/stable 
(runtime/org.kde.Platform/x86_64/5.15) found in remote flathub

Do you want to install it? [y/n]: y
Installing in system:
org.kde.Platform/x86_64/5.15  flathub 61f67bf3e852
org.freedesktop.Platform.GL.default/x86_64/20.08  flathub 82a8e234463f
org.freedesktop.Platform.VAAPI.Intel/x86_64/20.08 flathub 842257eb3e76
org.freedesktop.Platform.openh264/x86_64/2.0  flathub 73f998362a6f
org.kde.KStyle.Adwaita/x86_64/5.15flathub 2f6e4ae8bc10
org.kde.Platform.Locale/x86_64/5.15   flathub 01ece85ac288
org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi/x86_64/stable flathub 54532dddeb5d
  permissions: ipc, network, pulseaudio, x11, devices
  file access: home, xdg-config/kdeglobals:ro
  dbus access: com.canonical.AppMenu.Registrar
org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi.Locale/x86_64/stable  flathub cc17a220dabb
Is this ok [y/n]: y
Installing: org.kde.Platform/x86_64/5.15 from flathub
error: Failed to install org.kde.Platform/x86_64/5.15: 
openat(refs/remotes/flathub/runtime/org.kde.Platform/x86_64/5.15): 
Permission denied


The remote-add command triggered a request for authorisation whereas the 
second command didn't - just failed.


I've been running this on my CentOS 7 host machine.  I'll give it a try 
on the C8 VM since C7 is getting a bit old now.  If that fails I'll try 
the Fedora 33 VM.


Regards,
Martin




On 06/11/2020 15:39, Federico Bruni wrote:
Il giorno ven 6 nov 2020 alle 12:02, J Martin Rushton 
 ha scritto:

I just followed links:
https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi
-> https://flatpak.org/setup/
-> https://flatpak.org/setup/CentOS/


Following up to my "wipe all" suggestion.

I read on Fedora setup here:
https://flatpak.org/setup/Fedora/

"""
The above links should work on the default GNOME and KDE Fedora 
installations, but if they fail for some reason you can manually add the 
Flathub remote by running:


flatpak remote-add --if-not-exists flathub 
https://flathub.org/repo/flathub.flatpakrepo

"""

So uninstall all flatpak apps, delete all remotes (flatpak 
remote-delete) and then add it back again _as user_ using above command.

--
J Martin Rushton MBCS

Re: Frescobaldi+LilyPond flatpak package now available

[J Martin Rushton]

Hi Federico,

Update 2.  I noticed that there is a /root/.var directory so created 
$HOME/.var, still no luck.  I then tried flatpack list as myself and had 
errors for the following directories.  The permissions were 750, I 
changed them to 755:


/var/lib/flatpak/app
/var/lib/flatpak/app/org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi
/var/lib/flatpak/app/org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi/x86_64
/var/lib/flatpak/runtime
/var/lib/flatpak/runtime/*
/var/lib/flatpak/runtime/org.kde.Platform/x86_64

I could then run flatpak list, but the only output was a blank line. 
When I tried to run Frescibaldi I then saw "error: 
app/org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi/x86_64/stable not installed" which of 
course was not tue.  I set the permissions to 755 and then got "error: 
Error opening file 
/var/lib/flatpak/app/org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi/x86_64/stable/54532dddeb5db92fc66c20b9ca4147e9d76b366587e8d5d573ea2d8dd74fa8f5/metadata: 
Permission denied"


The long hex directory must be a temporary and doesn't exist.

Following the Troubleshooting section of the flatpak docs link you gave 
me, I ran:


# flatpak repair
Verifying flathub:runtime/org.kde.Platform.Locale/x86_64/5.15...
Verifying 
flathub:runtime/org.freedesktop.Platform.GL.default/x86_64/20.08...

Verifying flathub:runtime/org.kde.KStyle.Adwaita/x86_64/5.15...
Verifying 
flathub:runtime/org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi.Locale/x86_64/stable...

Verifying flathub:appstream2/x86_64...
Verifying flathub:runtime/org.kde.Platform/x86_64/5.15...
Verifying flathub:app/org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi/x86_64/stable...
Verifying flathub:runtime/org.freedesktop.Platform.openh264/x86_64/2.0...
Verifying 
flathub:runtime/org.freedesktop.Platform.VAAPI.Intel/x86_64/20.08...

Pruning objects
# flatpak permission-reset org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi

but I'm still getting a repeat of the last error message.

Regards,
Martin

On 06/11/2020 13:49, J Martin Rushton wrote:

Hi Federico,

Update.  When checking nothing had changed overnight (ie after a 
reboot), I accidentally ran it as root again.  This time it didn't jam 
and I could create a new piece from the template, compile it and play it 
under MIDI, and then change a note and recompile and play.  All seems 
fine, so I think that it must be either a permissions problem (which I 
though flatpak avoided), or else there is some initialisation in the 
root account that is not in my account.


Regards,
Martin

On 06/11/2020 12:02, J Martin Rushton wrote:

Hi Federico,

Inline

On 05/11/2020 22:47, Federico Bruni wrote:

Hi Martin

Perhaps you added the flathub repository as root using the --user 
switch? (wrong)


I didn't use --user

Can you paste the output of this command both as root and as normal 
user?


  flatpak remotes

$ flatpak remotes
Name    Options
flathub system

# flatpak remotes
Name    Options
flathub system



I have this as normal user:

$ flatpak remotes
Name Options
flathub system
flathub-beta user

Did you read this page?
https://docs.flatpak.org/en/latest/using-flatpak.html#system-versus-user


No, I just followed links:
https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi
-> https://flatpak.org/setup/
-> https://flatpak.org/setup/CentOS/


You shouldn't be root to install any flatpak application.


That's what I thought, but I get permission errors.  I tried the 
installation three times: as root, as me and as root again.


I can't remember if adding the repository at system level requires 
root privileges.


Apparently so.

In a nutshell, if you add a repository using the --user switch, any 
application installed from that repository will be installed at user 
level and available only to that user; otherwise the default is 
system level.




I did the installation by cut-and-paste:

flatpak install flathub org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi

It installed a load of other system-type things as well:
# flatpak list
Ref   Options
org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi/x86_64/stable system,current
org.freedesktop.Platform.GL.default/x86_64/20.08  system,runtime
org.freedesktop.Platform.VAAPI.Intel/x86_64/20.08 system,runtime
org.freedesktop.Platform.openh264/x86_64/2.0  system,runtime
org.kde.KStyle.Adwaita/x86_64/5.15    system,runtime
org.kde.Platform/x86_64/5.15  system,runtime

One thing I did notice, the Quick Setup page says: "Flatpak is 
installed by default on CentOS 7, when using GNOME" and I don't run 
gnome.  I use Mate on C7 systems, but gnome is available from the 
login page so all resources should be there.


Many thans and kind regards,
Martin



Il giorno gio 5 nov 2020 alle 21:47, J Martin Rushton 
 ha scritto:

Hi Federico,

I welcome this since I've been having problems with Frescobaldi 
under both CentOS 7 and 8 for a while.


I followed the setup guide on the host CentOS8 machine and 
downloaded the flathub repository file.  First problem: I had to be 
root to

Re: Frescobaldi+LilyPond flatpak package now available

[J Martin Rushton]

Hi Federico,

Update.  When checking nothing had changed overnight (ie after a 
reboot), I accidentally ran it as root again.  This time it didn't jam 
and I could create a new piece from the template, compile it and play it 
under MIDI, and then change a note and recompile and play.  All seems 
fine, so I think that it must be either a permissions problem (which I 
though flatpak avoided), or else there is some initialisation in the 
root account that is not in my account.


Regards,
Martin

On 06/11/2020 12:02, J Martin Rushton wrote:

Hi Federico,

Inline

On 05/11/2020 22:47, Federico Bruni wrote:

Hi Martin

Perhaps you added the flathub repository as root using the --user 
switch? (wrong)


I didn't use --user


Can you paste the output of this command both as root and as normal user?

  flatpak remotes

$ flatpak remotes
Name    Options
flathub system

# flatpak remotes
Name    Options
flathub system



I have this as normal user:

$ flatpak remotes
Name Options
flathub system
flathub-beta user

Did you read this page?
https://docs.flatpak.org/en/latest/using-flatpak.html#system-versus-user


No, I just followed links:
https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi
-> https://flatpak.org/setup/
-> https://flatpak.org/setup/CentOS/


You shouldn't be root to install any flatpak application.


That's what I thought, but I get permission errors.  I tried the 
installation three times: as root, as me and as root again.


I can't remember if adding the repository at system level requires 
root privileges.


Apparently so.

In a nutshell, if you add a repository using the --user switch, any 
application installed from that repository will be installed at user 
level and available only to that user; otherwise the default is system 
level.




I did the installation by cut-and-paste:

flatpak install flathub org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi

It installed a load of other system-type things as well:
# flatpak list
Ref   Options
org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi/x86_64/stable system,current
org.freedesktop.Platform.GL.default/x86_64/20.08  system,runtime
org.freedesktop.Platform.VAAPI.Intel/x86_64/20.08 system,runtime
org.freedesktop.Platform.openh264/x86_64/2.0  system,runtime
org.kde.KStyle.Adwaita/x86_64/5.15    system,runtime
org.kde.Platform/x86_64/5.15  system,runtime

One thing I did notice, the Quick Setup page says: "Flatpak is installed 
by default on CentOS 7, when using GNOME" and I don't run gnome.  I use 
Mate on C7 systems, but gnome is available from the login page so all 
resources should be there.


Many thans and kind regards,
Martin



Il giorno gio 5 nov 2020 alle 21:47, J Martin Rushton 
 ha scritto:

Hi Federico,

I welcome this since I've been having problems with Frescobaldi under 
both CentOS 7 and 8 for a while.


I followed the setup guide on the host CentOS8 machine and downloaded 
the flathub repository file.  First problem: I had to be root to 
install it - I thought flatpak was meant to be at user level?


I then installed Frescobaldi (using cut-and-paste).  If I tried to 
run it as a user I got the message: "error: 
app/org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi/x86_64/master not installed".  As a 
test I tried running it as root (I know, bad practice) and the window 
opened, but then hung and would not die.


Any suggestions?

Regards,
Martin

On 05/11/2020 20:48, Federico Bruni wrote:

Hi folks

I'm happy to announce that Frescobaldi is now available for Linux 
users also as flatpak on Flathub:

https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi

Advantages:
- LilyPond is bundled, so it's a very simple installation.
- All runtime dependencies are included.
- Sandbox.

Bugs:
- Doumentation browser is not working.
There's something wrong in the way I built PyQtWebEngine...


Current stable installed size is 287 MB. (not including the KDE 
runtime)
Current beta release shipping lilypond 2.21.80 is 245 MB (no need 
to include python2).


Installing the stable version should be straightforward.
If you want to install the beta version (which currently has only 
the "stable RC" of lilypond), run these commands:


flatpak remote-add --user flathub-beta 
https://flathub.org/beta-repo/flathub-beta.flatpakrepo

flatpak install --user flathub-beta org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi


Cheers
Federico



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Re: Frescobaldi+LilyPond flatpak package now available

[J Martin Rushton]

Hi Federico,

Inline

On 05/11/2020 22:47, Federico Bruni wrote:

Hi Martin

Perhaps you added the flathub repository as root using the --user 
switch? (wrong)


I didn't use --user


Can you paste the output of this command both as root and as normal user?

  flatpak remotes

$ flatpak remotes
NameOptions
flathub system

# flatpak remotes
NameOptions
flathub system



I have this as normal user:

$ flatpak remotes
Name Options
flathub system
flathub-beta user

Did you read this page?
https://docs.flatpak.org/en/latest/using-flatpak.html#system-versus-user


No, I just followed links:
https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi
-> https://flatpak.org/setup/
-> https://flatpak.org/setup/CentOS/


You shouldn't be root to install any flatpak application.


That's what I thought, but I get permission errors.  I tried the 
installation three times: as root, as me and as root again.


I can't 
remember if adding the repository at system level requires root privileges.


Apparently so.

In a nutshell, if you add a repository using the --user switch, any 
application installed from that repository will be installed at user 
level and available only to that user; otherwise the default is system 
level.




I did the installation by cut-and-paste:

flatpak install flathub org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi

It installed a load of other system-type things as well:
# flatpak list
Ref   Options
org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi/x86_64/stable system,current
org.freedesktop.Platform.GL.default/x86_64/20.08  system,runtime
org.freedesktop.Platform.VAAPI.Intel/x86_64/20.08 system,runtime
org.freedesktop.Platform.openh264/x86_64/2.0  system,runtime
org.kde.KStyle.Adwaita/x86_64/5.15system,runtime
org.kde.Platform/x86_64/5.15  system,runtime

One thing I did notice, the Quick Setup page says: "Flatpak is installed 
by default on CentOS 7, when using GNOME" and I don't run gnome.  I use 
Mate on C7 systems, but gnome is available from the login page so all 
resources should be there.


Many thans and kind regards,
Martin



Il giorno gio 5 nov 2020 alle 21:47, J Martin Rushton 
 ha scritto:

Hi Federico,

I welcome this since I've been having problems with Frescobaldi under 
both CentOS 7 and 8 for a while.


I followed the setup guide on the host CentOS8 machine and downloaded 
the flathub repository file.  First problem: I had to be root to 
install it - I thought flatpak was meant to be at user level?


I then installed Frescobaldi (using cut-and-paste).  If I tried to run 
it as a user I got the message: "error: 
app/org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi/x86_64/master not installed".  As a 
test I tried running it as root (I know, bad practice) and the window 
opened, but then hung and would not die.


Any suggestions?

Regards,
Martin

On 05/11/2020 20:48, Federico Bruni wrote:

Hi folks

I'm happy to announce that Frescobaldi is now available for Linux 
users also as flatpak on Flathub:

https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi

Advantages:
- LilyPond is bundled, so it's a very simple installation.
- All runtime dependencies are included.
- Sandbox.

Bugs:
- Doumentation browser is not working.
There's something wrong in the way I built PyQtWebEngine...


Current stable installed size is 287 MB. (not including the KDE runtime)
Current beta release shipping lilypond 2.21.80 is 245 MB (no need 
to include python2).


Installing the stable version should be straightforward.
If you want to install the beta version (which currently has only 
the "stable RC" of lilypond), run these commands:


flatpak remote-add --user flathub-beta 
https://flathub.org/beta-repo/flathub-beta.flatpakrepo

flatpak install --user flathub-beta org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi


Cheers
Federico



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Re: Frescobaldi+LilyPond flatpak package now available

[J Martin Rushton]

Hi Federico,

I welcome this since I've been having problems with Frescobaldi under 
both CentOS 7 and 8 for a while.


I followed the setup guide on the host CentOS8 machine and downloaded 
the flathub repository file.  First problem: I had to be root to install 
it - I thought flatpak was meant to be at user level?


I then installed Frescobaldi (using cut-and-paste).  If I tried to run 
it as a user I got the message: "error: 
app/org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi/x86_64/master not installed".  As a test 
I tried running it as root (I know, bad practice) and the window opened, 
but then hung and would not die.


Any suggestions?

Regards,
Martin

On 05/11/2020 20:48, Federico Bruni wrote:

Hi folks

I'm happy to announce that Frescobaldi is now available for Linux users 
also as flatpak on Flathub:

https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi

Advantages:
- LilyPond is bundled, so it's a very simple installation.
- All runtime dependencies are included.
- Sandbox.

Bugs:
- Doumentation browser is not working.
There's something wrong in the way I built PyQtWebEngine...


Current stable installed size is 287 MB. (not including the KDE runtime)
Current beta release shipping lilypond 2.21.80 is 245 MB (no need to 
include python2).


Installing the stable version should be straightforward.
If you want to install the beta version (which currently has only the 
"stable RC" of lilypond), run these commands:


flatpak remote-add --user flathub-beta 
https://flathub.org/beta-repo/flathub-beta.flatpakrepo

flatpak install --user flathub-beta org.frescobaldi.Frescobaldi


Cheers
Federico



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Re: feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance

[J Martin Rushton]

Oops! Sorry Andrew.  It's not that your posts are invisible, just that 
it must have been yesterday (UK time) and I've been to sleep since I 
read it.  All I saw was Martín's post involving mailing links and was 
trying to suggest a better way.  Sorry.


BTW, the only reason I chose OwnCloud over NextCloud is that CentOS8 
doesn't ship with the NC server, only clients whereas C8 has both OC 
client and server.


Regards,
Martin

On 24/10/2020 10:15, Andrew Bernard wrote:
That's already what I said before. I run NextCloud which is a fork of 
OwnCloud and vastly better. Sometimes I think my threads are invisible. 
:-) :-)


I'd even be willing to host the NextCloud for you Kieran at no charge.


Andrew


On 24/10/2020 7:59 pm, J Martin Rushton wrote:
Possibly right off the wall, but could you set up a private cloud 
instance (something like OwnCloud) and have the students work in 
there? The cloud would look after moving work around and syncronising, 
all you would need to do is ensure that students don't work on a 
particular piece simultaneously.  Oh, and for the GUI I'd second 
Frescobaldi.


Regards,
Martin





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Re: feasibilty question: simple GUI for web-based Lilypond instance

[J Martin Rushton]

Possibly right off the wall, but could you set up a private cloud 
instance (something like OwnCloud) and have the students work in there? 
The cloud would look after moving work around and syncronising, all you 
would need to do is ensure that students don't work on a particular 
piece simultaneously.  Oh, and for the GUI I'd second Frescobaldi.


Regards,
Martin

On 24/10/2020 07:54, Martín Rincón Botero wrote:

Hi Kieren,

I’m haven’t investigated its collaborative capabilities if any, but 
https://www.scorio.com/web/scorio/scorio-music-notator is an online GUI 
for Lilypond. Some of its functionality is only available in the paid 
version, though. Perhaps it’s an alternative.


Cheers,
Martín.

www.martinrinconbotero.com
On 24. Oct 2020, 04:52 +0200, Kieren MacMillan 
, wrote:

Hi Karlin,


I'm understanding this use case wants...
* No-code GUI music entry
* Runs in a web browser
* Allows collaborative editing


Right.

I'm having trouble imagining what "collaborative editing" would look 
like in a "No-code GUI." Something like PDF commenting? Has anything 
like that ever been seen in the LilyPond ecosystem? Paolo Prete's 
Spontini-Editor might be the closest thing I can remember.


I’m thinking of Spontini+Lilybin: there’s a basic Javascript UI to 
add/delete elements (notes, rests, etc.), on top of a server-based 
Lilypond instance where the code is saved in successive versions (cf. 
Lilybin).


1. The student works on the file for a while by themselves.
2. They send me a link to the current version (e.g., 
guilily.com/wpeouryckjhg/7).
3. I log in and edit the file, and sent them back the "current" link 
(e.g., guilily.com/wpeouryckjhg/9).
4. We can both see the current version, and one of us can edit and 
save a new "current" version.


To my mind, lilybin already solves the "collaborative editing" part 
sufficiently for my needs (and, I’m guessing, the needs of most music 
educators I know). The only real gap right now is the GUI. I’m trying 
to figure out how much work would be required to make a Javascript (or 
something better?) "app" that edits Lily code.


Thanks,
Kieren.


Kieren MacMillan, composer (he/him/his)
‣ website: www.kierenmacmillan.info
‣ email: kie...@kierenmacmillan.info




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Re: organ - off topic

[J Martin Rushton]

"the church built around many organs" - I like your priorities!  I got 
in trouble once for similarly suggesting that the purpose of a cathedral 
was to support the bell tower (we were in the ringing chamber at the 
time). :-o


On 01/10/2020 10:02, Lukas-Fabian Moser wrote:

Hi Gianmaria,

Am 01.10.20 um 10:32 schrieb Gianmaria Lari:

Sorry if I ask this question here. I do it as usual because I have a 
lot of consideration for the people who write on this group and I'm 
sure someone can help me.


I'm curious to know if a pipe organ (mechanical) can have a sustain 
pedal and a sostenuto pedal like a piano. I had a look online but I 
have not been able to find it.


Not that I know of.

Or, to be more precise:

  * The _soft_ pedal (left, una corda) does indeed have a rough
equivalent on many organs, namely the "Schweller":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swell_box
  * The _sostenuto_ pedal (middle) can, as far as I know, only be faked
using mechanical devices holding down some keys. And of course, keys
may be stuck also without the player intending it.
  * The _damper_ pedal (right, sustain) is built-in to most organs by
virtue of the acoustics of the church build around many organs,
drowning the music in a sea of lingering pitches ;-)

Lukas



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Re: organ - off topic

[J Martin Rushton]

A sustain pedal wouldn't be possible, since an organ has no dampers.  An 
organ pipe sounds just as long as the key and stop send air to it.  A 
sostenuto mechanism might be possible, though personally I've never 
heard of one, by simply keeping the key or part of the linkage 
depressed.  Your question is interesting though, since it appears you 
are looking at the wrong end of the telescope!  sostenuto was developed 
to allow the piano to emulate the organ.  See 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piano_pedals#Sostenuto_pedal et seq. for 
more info.


Regards,
Martin

On 01/10/2020 09:32, Gianmaria Lari wrote:
Sorry if I ask this question here. I do it as usual because I have a lot 
of consideration for the people who write on this group and I'm sure 
someone can help me.


I'm curious to know if a pipe organ (mechanical) can have a sustain 
pedal and a sostenuto pedal like a piano. I had a look online but I have 
not been able to find it.


Thanks a lot!
gianmaria


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Re: [OT] Identification of a bagpipe embellishment?

[J Martin Rushton via LilyPond user discussion]

I hesitated in replying since I started to learn the Highland Pipes a 
__long__ time ago, and never really stuck with them.  In "Logans 
Complete Tutor for the Highland Bagpipe"* from page X onwards they are 
consistently referred to as gracenotes.  They can be single or up to 
five gracenotes (though I counted up to 7 in some exercises).  They are 
essential between repeated notes or where there are awkward fingering 
changes because the bagpipe cannot be tongued as for other wind instruments.


HTH,
Martin

*My version is undated, revised by Captain John MacLellan of the Army 
School of Piping


On 11/02/2020 14:11, Mark Stephen Mrotek wrote:

Brian,

Not being a piper I am not sure of nomenclature, yet Lilypond has the 
command “\grace”.


Your example would be notated

\version "2.19.84"

\relative c'' {

   \grace {g'32 f d} g4

}

Mark

*From:*lilypond-user 
[mailto:lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org] *On Behalf 
Of *Guo Brian

*Sent:* Tuesday, February 11, 2020 2:48 AM
*To:* lilypond-user@gnu.org
*Subject:* [OT] Identification of a bagpipe embellishment?

Hello all,

I am certain that the LilyPond community has a number of bagpipe 
players, and I hope that I do not bother you with the following problem 
that I have come across:


I am transcribing a bagpipe piece written in Bb major into 
“conventional” notation (where the scale is based on A), and come across 
the following embellishment:


In conventional notation it would be written as:

In case Mailman refuses to send the images, the embellishment consists 
of what appears to be the beginning of a F doubling (written as the 
grace notes High G and F), then a strike to D, then the main note 
becomes a High G. Putting aside the possibility of the fingering, the 
sequence is gfdG, where lowercase letters are grace notes and the 
uppercase letter is the main note.


However, I am having trouble finding the name of the embellishment. I 
have tried searching it by the notes, but without luck.


The embellishment in question is from the transcription of an 
avant-garde piece: /The Most Unwanted Music/ by Dave Soldier. In the 
score, the transcriber makes a note that “[t]he score cannot reflect 
accurately all the music, and the performers should also


listen to the CD”, so it is also possible that this embellishment is 
actually the result of a transcription error.


I am by no means a professional bagpipe player, so any advice would be 
much appreciated.


Kind regards,

Brian Guo



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Re: drum exercises

[J Martin Rushton]

Hi Marco,

I'm not seeing any attachment, did you forget to add it?

Martin

On 01/01/2020 15:33, Marco wrote:

Good morning,
I am a drum student and I would like to learn to write the exercises with
lilypond (2.19.83) as you can see in the attached image.
Can anyone help me.

Thanks and happy new year 2020 to all

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Re: LilyPond, LilyPond snippets and the GPL

[J Martin Rushton]

On 01/11/2019 10:45, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
> 

> 
> BTW there is _no_ copyright on the design of sheet music, even if some music 
> publishers claim it.
> 

This depends upon the country.  In the UK: "The typographical
arrangement of a published edition lasts for 25 years from first
publication".  See Copyright Notice Number: 6/2016 at
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/554033/Copyright_Notice_Printed_Music.pdf

As the notice explains: "For example, the copyright in music by Ludwig
van Beethoven is no longer protected by copyright, but editions of his
work published in the last 25 years will have their typographical
arrangement protected by the publisher, and modern editions, adaptations
or arrangements of his work may still be protected by copyright for life
of the adapter or arranger plus 70 years".

Since most UK law is set by Brussels you need to carefully check the
position in any EU country, it's likely to be the same.

> 

> 
> Greetlings, Hraban
> ---
> fiëé visuëlle
> Henning Hraban Ramm
> https://www.fiee.net

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Re: Problems with the mailing list?

[J Martin Rushton via lilypond-user]

On 22/10/2019 23:00, Bengt Gördén wrote:
> On 2019-10-20 00:36, J Martin Rushton via lilypond-user wrote:
>> Thanks Urs.  I was starting to think I was on some blacklist.  I'm still
>> not seeing my own posts, I'll have to investigate why.
> 
> Have you checked the options at
> https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/options/lilypond-user
> 
> Especially the option "Receive your own posts to the list?"
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
Good point.  I've checked, and it is set.
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Re: Problems with the mailing list?

[J Martin Rushton via lilypond-user]

On 20/10/2019 02:30, Freeman Gilmore wrote:
> Not sure what you mean, I do not see my post either.    This works for
> me, just add you address to  "To", you can do this Bcc.   Try it!   True
> it will not go through the LP mail service but you will see what you
> sent in  your Inbox
> ƒg

Thanks, I'm quite well aware about extra "To:" entries, "CC:" entries or
"BCC:".  I'm also aware of the "Sent" mailbox which preserves an
outgoing copy.  All of the above though short-circuits the process
inasmuch as they are returned either by my MUA (Thunderbird) or else by
the first MTA that it hits.  None of them prove that the message has
reached Lily's MUA and hence the other members of the mailing
list.

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On 19/10/2019 20:27, Urs Liska wrote:
> All I can say is that I received all your original posts.
> 
> Urs
> 
> 
> Am 19. Oktober 2019 19:36:40 MESZ schrieb J Martin Rushton via
> lilypond-user :
> 
> At 18/10/2019, 23:14 I sent the following message as part of the
> "Frescobaldi, improve support for audio export" thread:
> 
> Anyone planning on using VLC on Fedora, RHEL or CentOS needs to check
> out the current situation.  For RHEL/CentOS AIUI:
> 
> 7.7   VLC from the usual sources does not work (in fact crashes some 
> updates).
> 8.0   VLC is not available.
> 
> There is a VLC available through flatpack, but I've not used it (so
> therefore cannot comment), but have seen warnings that it will pull in
> up to 1.2 GiB of other packages including the complete KDE implementation.
> 
> The message does not appear to have got through to the main listing, but
> the second and third parts of it were picked up by "Bill", and appended
> to a note about Mint (to which they had no relevance) and labelled
> "Curious".
> 
> Half of this was then picked up by Hraban with the comment "Don’t know
> where those come from".
> 
> I replied to the thread pointing out the original message and the
> context to which it belongs, and supplying the sources for the statements:
> 
> Nowhere did I mention Mint.  The summary is derived from traffic on the
> CentOS maillist (cen...@cantos.org) and the CentOS forums
> (https://www.centos.org/forums).
> 
> This has again failed to be published.
> 
> I see that Bill is again part quoting me in a new thread "vlc or
> comverting midi to mp3".
> 
> Please desist from partial, out of context, quotations accompanied by
> disparaging comments.  It is particularly important where the original
> signature is copied in, as for Bill's first reply.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Gerät mit K-9 Mail gesendet.

Thanks Urs.  I was starting to think I was on some blacklist.  I'm still
not seeing my own posts, I'll have to investigate why.

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[J Martin Rushton via lilypond-user]

At 18/10/2019, 23:14 I sent the following message as part of the
"Frescobaldi, improve support for audio export" thread:

%<---
Anyone planning on using VLC on Fedora, RHEL or CentOS needs to check
out the current situation.  For RHEL/CentOS AIUI:

7.7 VLC from the usual sources does not work (in fact crashes some updates).
8.0 VLC is not available.

There is a VLC available through flatpack, but I've not used it (so
therefore cannot comment), but have seen warnings that it will pull in
up to 1.2 GiB of other packages including the complete KDE implementation.
%<---

The message does not appear to have got through to the main listing, but
the second and third parts of it were picked up by "Bill", and appended
to a note about Mint (to which they had no relevance) and labelled
"Curious".

Half of this was then picked up by Hraban with the comment "Don’t know
where those come from".

I replied to the thread pointing out the original message and the
context to which it belongs, and supplying the sources for the statements:

%<---
Nowhere did I mention Mint.  The summary is derived from traffic on the
CentOS maillist (cen...@cantos.org) and the CentOS forums
(https://www.centos.org/forums).
%<---

This has again failed to be published.

I see that Bill is again part quoting me in a new thread "vlc or
comverting midi to mp3".

Please desist from partial, out of context, quotations accompanied by
disparaging comments.  It is particularly important where the original
signature is copied in, as for Bill's first reply.

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Re: VLC versions was Re:Frescobaldi, improve support for audio export

[J Martin Rushton via lilypond-user]

On 19/10/2019 13:24, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
> 
>> Am 2019-10-19 um 13:55 schrieb Bill via lilypond-user 
>> :
>>
>>
>> this is what I get on command line when I type
>> vlc --version:
>>
>> VLC media player 2.2.2 Weatherwax (revision 2.2.2-0-g6259d80)
>>
>> I'm on Linux Mint 18.? can I really be that far behind.  I did try to import 
>> a midi file and it couldn't play it nor could it export it as an mp3.
> 
> Current version is 3.0.8, see videolan.org
> 
> from https://wiki.videolan.org/Midi/:
> """
> VLC media player can play Standard MIDI File (.MID) and RIFF MIDI (.RMI) 
> files since version 0.9.0.
> Windows binary builds included MIDI support only in versions VLC media player 
> from 1.1.0 through 2.0.8. Starting from version 2.1.0, support was dropped 
> due to security issues. It was re-activated in VLC 3.0.0.
> …
> Linux 
> If the FluidSynth codec is not shown in VLC's preferences, you have to 
> install it as well as sound fonts. E.g. on Ubuntu 18.04 and derivatives it is 
> in the vlc-plugin-fluidsynthpackage, while the fluid-soundfont-gs and 
> fluid-soundfont-gm packages install some sound fonts in /usr/share/sounds/sf2.
> """
> 
> 
>> 7.7VLC from the usual sources does not work (in fact crashes some 
>> updates).
>> 8.0VLC is not available.
> 
> Don’t know where those come from.
> 
> Greetlings, Hraban
> ---
> fiëé visuëlle
> Henning Hraban Ramm
> https://www.fiee.net
> 

My original posting of 18/10/2019, 23:14 said:
%<-
Anyone planning on using VLC on Fedora, RHEL or CentOS needs to checkout
the current situation.  For RHEL/CentOS AIUI:

7.7 VLC from the usual sources does not work (in fact crashes some updates).
8.0 VLC is not available.

There is a VLC available through flatpack, but I've not used it (so
therefore cannot comment), but have seen warnings that it will pull in
up to 1.2 GiB of other packages including the complete KDE implementation.

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---%<---
Nowhere did I mention Mint.  The summary is derived from traffic on the
CentOS maillist (cen...@cantos.org) and the CentOS forums
(https://www.centos.org/forums).

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Re: Frescobaldi, improve support for audio export

[J Martin Rushton via lilypond-user]

On 18/10/2019 22:06, Urs Liska wrote:
> 
> 
> Am 18. Oktober 2019 22:45:28 MESZ schrieb Karlin High :
>> On 10/18/2019 3:17 PM, Guy Stalnaker wrote:
>>> So, it looks like VLC with the right syntax may be able to use 
>>> FluidSynth/soundfont to "play" midi and FFMpeg to encode to AAC or
>> other 
>>> codecs - or - output WAV file as input to lame
>>>
>>> It's a complicated commandline but I've seen (and created) worse LOL
>>
> 
> Complicated is not an issue - that's what Frescobaldi can manage. It has to 
> be reliable and ideally cross-platform
> 
>> Actually, VLC on Windows can encode MIDI to MP3 without using the 
>> command line at all. That's what I use.
> 
> The point *is* to have a command line to be able to use it from Frescobaldi.
> 
> Urs
> 
> 
Anyone planning on using VLC on Fedora, RHEL or CentOS needs to check
out the current situation.  For RHEL/CentOS AIUI:

7.7 VLC from the usual sources does not work (in fact crashes some updates).
8.0 VLC is not available.

There is a VLC available through flatpack, but I've not used it (so
therefore cannot comment), but have seen warnings that it will pull in
up to 1.2 GiB of other packages including the complete KDE implementation.

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Re: Producing scores for visually impaired and blind people

[J Martin Rushton via lilypond-user]

On 13/09/2019 21:03, Karlin High wrote:
> On 9/13/2019 2:52 PM, Hwaen Ch'uqi wrote:
>> But I wonder if, now 200 years later, some of
>> that bulk could be streamlined.
> 
> Here is a thread from November 2017, with a new user introduction from
> Daniel Chavez. A blind musician using LilyPond to make sheet music for
> sighted people.
> 
> <https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2017-11/msg00176.html>
> 
> That's where I learned that Music Braille exists:
> <https://braillebug.org/music_braille.asp>
> 
> How that would compare in practice to LilyPond's standard output printed
> in 3D is probably a question for someone who knows the experience of
> blind musicians.

Wow, that's digging back a bit.  I remember contributing to that thread,
so I won't repeat myself!

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Re: Barcheck with full measure rests

[J Martin Rushton]

The notation reference for 2.18.2 doesn't seem to mention using
fractions with multi-measure rests.  Using just {R1*3/4} generates
programming errors and no rest is output.


On 21/05/2019 11:51, Michael Gerdau wrote:
> Hi list,
> 
> the following MWE triggers a barcheck failure. Is that intended or a bug?
> And if it is intended I'd like to understand the rationale.
> 
> %
> \version "2.21.0"
> { R1*3/4 s4 | }
> %%%%%
> 
> Kind regards,
> Michael
> 

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Re: LP-set songbook released

[J Martin Rushton]

On 28/04/2019 21:34, Christopher R. Maden wrote:
> On 4/27/19 4:59 AM, J Martin Rushton wrote:
>> A very creditable production.  Don't worry about the letter/A4 issue,
>> it printed out perfectly on my A4 system.  There is one problem
>> though, the tempo marks have all printed as odd line shapes: steps,
>> symbols like pi or just vertical bars.  The display in Firefox is
>> correct however.
> 
> That’s really interesting!  This was done with LP 2.18.2, with no
> special modifications to the defaults; the tempi are just things like:
> 
>     \tempo 2. = 60
> 
> What software are you using that shows problems?  The MediaWiki
> thumbnails (made with ImageMagick, I believe) came out fine, and Atril
> and Evince show it fine.  I have not tested the output in Adobe Reader
> or Okular.
> 
> ~Chris

I just went to http://music.maden.org/index.php?title=Shower_Chanteys in
Firefox 60.6esr then on the second line clicked on "download the
songbook" which took me to
http://music.maden.org/images/7/72/Shower_Chanteys.pdf.  I then selected
print and let the system sort itself out.  I have seen a similar problem
over fonts with FF before though, it displays perfectly, then somewhere
in a long printout gets itself in a mess.

If, on the other hand, I explicitly download the PDF to my machine, then
Evince Document Viewer 3.28.2 is called up and both display and printing
work perfectly.

If I can answer your PM to me here: unfortunately I can't show you a
recording, it is the way I learnt it in the 1970s.  I remember seeing
text about the mode shift and asking a teacher at school.  My father
seemed to think I had it right, and he was ex RN for his National Service.

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Re: LP-set songbook released

[J Martin Rushton]

A very creditable production.  Don't worry about the letter/A4 issue, it
printed out perfectly on my A4 system.  There is one problem though, the
tempo marks have all printed as odd line shapes: steps, symbols like pi
or just vertical bars.  The display in Firefox is correct however.

It was interesting to see some old favourites wearing new clothes, in
particular Spanish Ladies (which I learnt in the 1960s).  Of course in
the version I know the orders are to sail for "Old England", likewise we
rant and roar like "true British sailors"!  In your write-up to it you
mention about key differences.  The way I learnt it the verses are in a
minor key but it switches to the major for the chorus.  However since
the notes remain the same the piece appears to wistfully return to the
minor in the last couple of words ("From Ushant to Scilly 'tis
thirty-five leagues" in the UK version), which gives the impression of
longing for the voyage to be over.

Finally, I don't know if the works of Arthur Ransome are as well known
in the States as in the UK (though now, I fear, somewhat less known as
they getting rather dated).  Spanish Ladies is quoted at length in
'Peter Duck'.

Regards,
Martin

On 27/04/2019 03:00, Christopher R. Maden wrote:
> As previously mentioned, I was planning to release a songbook to go with
> my recent album of sea chanteys.  I’ve called it good enough, and
> announced it to the world.
> 
> The harmony settings were much improved by the feedback and comments
> here; thank you all.  Whenever I talk up LilyPond with other music
> nerds, I emphasize not only the stellar quality of the engraving, but
> also the amazing community behind it.
> 
> The songbook can be downloaded from  http://music.maden.org/index.php?title=Shower_Chanteys >.  (8½"×11",
> sorry Europeans... it should do fine on A4, though.)
> 
> As it’s a virtual release, I’d still love to hear any feedback and
> comments.  In particular, I couldn’t figure out how to narrow the text
> for the foreword on p. 2 without moving the page number; a minor thing,
> but it bugs me.
> 
> Thanks once again to everyone who made suggestions!
> 
> ~Chris

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Re: Template management for LilyPond

[J Martin Rushton]

On 25/04/2019 12:07, Andrew Bernard wrote:
> Hi Mark,
> 
> In F. templates appear to be stored as snippets. This brings up the
> interesting question of where in the file system snippets are stored.
> Despite having used F, for years, I have no idea, and a search of my
> Linux filesystems reveals nothing obvious. Perhaps they are in a
> database format and not plain text files.
> 
> Does anybody know? [I supppose I better read the source code.]
> 
> If this question is answered, your solution is (possibly) easy - move
> that folder to Dropbox or similar.
> 
> Andrew
> 
> 
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$HOME/.config/frescobaldi/frescobaldi.conf

section [snippets]

Contains standard templates (which you may edit) plus any you have created.

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Re: lilypond-user Digest, Vol 196, Issue 33

[J Martin Rushton]

On 10/03/2019 19:53, Aaron Hill wrote:
> On 2019-03-10 9:46 am, Joseph Austin wrote:
>> CANNOT ACCESS SERVER
>> 
>> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/line-breaking
>>
>> Internal Server Error
>>
>> The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was
>> unable to complete your request.
>>
>> Please contact the server administrator at [no address given] to
>> inform them of the time this error occurred, and the actions you
>> performed just before this error.
>>
>> More information about this error may be available in the server error
>> log.
>>
>> Apache/2.4.18 (Ubuntu) Server at lilypond.org Port 80
>> 
>>
>> Not Found
>>
>> The requested URL
>> /share/doc/lilypond/html/offline-root/Documentation/notation/other-_005cpaper-variables.cs.html
>>
>> was not found on this server.
>>
>> Apache/2.2.22 (Debian) Server at www.omet.ca Port 80
>> =
>> MAR 10 2019 12:40P EDT.
>> Trying to link to Lilypond Notation Reference
> 
> For what its worth, that link as well as the rest of the site appears to
> be working for me.  Mayhaps the issue was resolved?
> 
> -- Aaron Hill
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When Joseph posted the link it failed for me exactly as he said, as did
 http://lilypond.org.  Aaron, as you have noticed it is working now.  I
therefore agree it was probably an issue at the server end that has been
fixed.

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Re: Frescobaldi

[J Martin Rushton]

On 26/02/2019 12:16, Karlin High wrote:
> On 2/26/2019 5:48 AM, Urs Liska wrote:
>> Most questions can conveniently and more efficiently be discussed on
>> lilypond-user while for most of the remaining Frescobaldi-specific
>> questions the issue tracker on Github seems appropriate and sufficient
>> anyway.
> 
> And Frescobaldi's not the only related project discussed here.
> OpenLilyLib, lyluatex, whatever-other-TeX, editors like vi and EMACS,
> in-browser editors like lilybin.com and HackLily, PDF software, MIDI
> software, and still other things are also known to show up. I guess to
> me this list seems more like discussion for "LilyPond ecosystem" than
> strictly LilyPond.
> 
> Of course, if strictly-LilyPond discussion starts getting crowded out
> somehow, maybe that should change. But I think it's reasonable to start
> discussions here for most any form of LilyPond usage, and then take it
> to a specific project's discussion forum or issue tracker when it
> narrows to that project.

Discussing other projects which fall into the Lilypond orbit can be a
major service to readers.  I only found out about Frescobaldi through
this list a few years ago.  I discovered today that there is a Google
group so, if that is typical, banning all discussion would leave some
users at best unsupported, and at worst ignorant.
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Re: LilyPond can't engrave 16 pages of music

[J Martin Rushton]

Running on CentOS (aka RHEL) 7.6:

%<

bash-4.2$ cat X.ly
\version "2.19.82"
{
 \time 4/4
 \repeat unfold 1000 { c4 d e f } % TEN PAGES of music
 \repeat unfold 1000 { f1 } % + SIX MORE PAGES of music
 \repeat unfold 1000 { c4 d e f } % BUT WHEN ADDING MORE PAGES, fail NOW
}
bash-4.2$ time lilypond X.ly
GNU LilyPond 2.19.80
Processing `X.ly'
Parsing...
error: program too old: 2.19.80 (file requires: 2.19.82)
Interpreting
music...[8][16][24][32][40][48][56][64][72][80][88][96][104][112][120][128][136][144][152][160][168][176][184][192]
...

[2896][2904][2912][2920][2928][2936][2944][2952][2960][2968][2976][2984][2992][3000]
Preprocessing graphical objects...
Finding the ideal number of pages...
Fitting music on 24 or 25 pages...
Drawing systems...
Layout output to `/tmp/lilypond-TOucyH'...
Converting to `X.pdf'...
Deleting `/tmp/lilypond-TOucyH'...
fatal error: failed files: "X.ly"

real2m10.159s
user2m7.242s
sys 0m1.472s
bash-4.2$ inxi
CPU: Dual Core Intel Core i3-4150 (-MT MCP-)
speed/min/max: 3500/800/3500 MHz Kernel: 3.10.0-957.1.3.el7.x86_64 x86_64
Up: 47m Mem: 1790.0/7691.8 MiB (23.3%) Storage: 3.64 TiB (3.5% used)
Procs: 267 Shell: bash 4.2.46 inxi: 3.0.26

---%<

Regardless of the "fatal error" message, 3,000 bars of music were
written over 25 pages.  I suspect the message refers to the version
mismatch.

Peak memory usage according to Ganglia was 5.5GiB, no swap space consumed.

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Re: Not Nice Review of the LilyPond

[J Martin Rushton]

On 02/12/18 11:31, David Kastrup wrote:
> J Martin Rushton  writes:
> 
>> I'm not sure the single critical paragraph is that unfair.  I've turned
>> the tables on the reviewer and added my own comments as an amateur who
>> came to Lily only a few years ago.
> 
> [...]
> 
>> "LilyPond source files appear to be written in a custom programming
>> language whose grammar is never discussed."
>> - I'm afraid this one is bang on target.  However compare the situation
>> to other systems and at least you can programme rather than just
>> accepting a proprietary black box.
> 
> Well, this author went the mile and actually learnt how to work with
> LilyPond before giving it a critical eye (and apparently sticking with
> it).  I think we lose the majority of potential users even before
> getting anywhere as far.  It's easy to laugh about those when they write
> up their impression, but of course the problem _is_ real.
> 
> Frescobaldi is an impressive way to lower the threshold of getting
> acquainted with LilyPond's way of working.  And Denemo is nice for not
> getting all that much acquainted with LilyPond's way of working.
> 

Hi David.  I'm not quite sure whether you're telling me off for
criticising the original author, or praising me for as "this author"!
In either case may I concur with your comments about Frescobaldi - It is
a nice compromise between GUI/IDE/text and does make life a lot easier
for occasional users.  I was going to include Frescobaldi in my email to
Alethis but as I mentioned they don't seem to want to be contacted which
is odd for a "professional software consulting services".

Regards,

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Re: Not Nice Review of the LilyPond

[J Martin Rushton]

I'm not sure the single critical paragraph is that unfair.  I've turned
the tables on the reviewer and added my own comments as an amateur who
came to Lily only a few years ago.

I did try to send a copy of this email to the company as a courtesy, but
all company information on their website is "Under Construction" and all
personnel pages seem to be family pictures or missing.  Make of that
what you will!

A review of the review.
---

"The documentation is voluminous, but difficult to penetrate."
- Accurate, but slightly unfair.  The 'Learning Manual' is straight
forward even if pedestrian at times.  'Usage' is good.  'Music Glossary'
is excellent both with Lily and stand alone.  The 'Notation Reference'
is a comprehensive reference guide and is emphatically not newbie friendly.

"I found it difficult to find out about such simple features as the
overall structure of a LilyPond source file."
- I found the same.

"Many commands and features are described without any context
whatsoever, and it becomes a matter of trial and error to determine
exactly how they should be integrated into a source file."
- A consequence of comprehensiveness.  The feature is described and a
snippet shown, but fitting it into the complete structure can be
confusing at first.

"And some features that one would expect to be quite simple, seem to be
achievable only by complex and obscure "commands" or "variables".
- I'm not sure I quite follow his argument here.

"One is frequently tempted to attach multiple features to a single note
(e.g. sharp/flat, duration, pitch, slur start or end, phrase start or
end, dynamic mark, crescendo/decrescendo start or end and text are a few
examples!), and it typically requires trial and error to determine which
of the particular orders is the only one that LilyPond accepts."
- Fair comment.  As a programmer I'm used to critical ordering so just
accept it.  Someone unused to working with source code might get into
difficulties.

"LilyPond source files appear to be written in a custom programming
language whose grammar is never discussed."
- I'm afraid this one is bang on target.  However compare the situation
to other systems and at least you can programme rather than just
accepting a proprietary black box.

On 02/12/18 02:43, Reggie wrote:
> Has anyone else seen this do you know who the author is? Some complaints
> about gibberish and documentation and God knows what else. Is this a joke
> one or seriously critical of the program? Or in cheek.
> http://www.alethis.net/reference/lily/lily.html
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Sent from: http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/User-f3.html
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Re: v2.19.82 documentation unusable?

[J Martin Rushton]

On 24/11/18 23:23, Michael Gerdau wrote:
> 
>> Are you sure you are looking at the 2.19.82 version?  I would be
>> *very* surprised to find a PDF viewer that can magically summon fonts
>> from the aether, because they are very much not there.
> 
> I‘m quite certain that I’ve been looking at 2.19.82...
> 
>> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/notation.pdf
> 
> ...however your link does point to a pdf that’s broken for me as well.
> 
> Rechecking my url which I navigated to via the website gives 
> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/notation.de.pdf
> which of course is because German is the preferred language as reported
> by my browser.
> 
> Does that help to track down the problem?
> 
> Kind regards,
> Michael
> 
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The English language documentation is 4.4 MiB, the German is 6.6 Mib.
Now I know languages differ in their density, but 50% larger seems to me
like a smoking gun.

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Re: v2.19.82 documentation unusable?

[J Martin Rushton]

On 24/11/18 22:17, Aaron Hill wrote:
> On 2018-11-24 7:03 am, Michael Gerdau wrote:
>>>> I am curious then as to why it all works fine for me and presumably
>>>> others?
>>>> Sounds like a Mac font problem to me, given my other current experience
>>>> with Alegreya, as initially raised by Kieren.
>>>> Or has 2.19.82 been rebuilt since I downloaded it some time ago?
>>>> I may be wrong!
>>>
>>> Just checked, and the PDFs on the site have not been changed and are
>>> still broken.
>>
>> Just looked at the 2.19.82 notation.pdf with my iPhone (read: clearly
>> no lilypond fonts installed locally) and by briefly browsing through
>> it I could not detect any broken images.
>>
>> So I’m not convinced your analysis is completely correct.
> 
> Are you sure you are looking at the 2.19.82 version?  I would be *very*
> surprised to find a PDF viewer that can magically summon fonts from the
> aether, because they are very much not there.
> 
> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/notation.pdf
> 
> Output from pdffonts:
> 
>> pdffonts notation.pdf | grep -iv "builtin" | head -n 10
> 
> name type  encoding
> emb sub uni object ID
>  - 
> --- --- --- -
> Emmentaler-20    Type 1    Custom  
> no  no  yes    642  0
> TeXGyreSchola-Italic Type 1    WinAnsi 
> no  no  no 645  0
> Emmentaler-Brace Type 1    Custom  
> no  no  no 648  0
> Emmentaler-20    Type 1    Custom  
> no  no  yes    656  0
> TeXGyreSchola-Regular    Type 1    WinAnsi 
> no  no  no 658  0
> Emmentaler-Brace Type 1    Custom  
> no  no  no 661  0
> Emmentaler-20    Type 1    Custom  
> no  no  no 668  0
> Emmentaler-20    Type 1    Custom  
> no  no  no 678  0
> 
> -- Aaron Hill
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Following the above link using Firefox 60.3.0esr running under CentOS
7.5.1804 (kernel 3.10.0-862.14.4.el7.x86_64) fails with "weird" symbols.
 Downloading the file (wget) and viewing through Document viewer (aka
Evince) 3.22.1 also fails in the same way.

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Re: Comparison of Musescore, Sibelius and Dorico -- would like to add Lilypond

[J Martin Rushton]

See also on Wikipedia for a comparison:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_scorewriters

On 20/11/18 22:03, Shane Brandes wrote:
> Is there anything on that list that Lilypond doesn't do? What do they
> mean by jazz articulations?
> 
> -Shane
> On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 3:04 PM David Bellows  wrote:
>>
>> Urs,
>>
>>> I think it would be good to add our stuff to the chart (not necessarily 
>>> much to the comments section).
>>
>> If the owner of the spreadsheet allows it, then definitely. I don't
>> know them personally so I don't know how they feel about that. I
>> suppose we could create our own version if they do not agree. I'm one
>> of the mods in that sub so I'll be making the chart a permanent link
>> in the sub so either way would work (and obviously we can link to it
>> from anywhere else we'd like).
>>
>>> not only check the given items with yes/no but also freely add to the list
>>
>> I agree. The OP did ask for omissions/corrections so I would think
>> these (and others) would apply.
>>
>>> find a way to plug the "programmability" aspect (vs. applying plugins 
>>> after-the-fact),with things like complete extensibility with 
>>> syntactical means, conditional layout per engraving target ...(Maybe 
>>> this would even warrant a new tab in the sheet)
>>
>> One of Lilypond's biggest strengths! Working out meaningful/useful
>> parallels with the other programs would be the issue, I'm guessing?
>> On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 11:50 AM David Kastrup  wrote:
>>>
>>> Karlin High  writes:
>>>
>>>> On 11/20/2018 12:38 PM, David Bellows wrote:
>>>>> Over in the /r/composer sub on Reddit, a user put together a chart
>>>>> listing features of Musescore, Sibelius and Dorico.
>>>>
>>>> I remember seeing some past work done with comparing LilyPond to other
>>>> software.
>>>>
>>>> <https://github.com/engraving-challenges/main>
>>>> <https://lilypondblog.org/category/comparisons/>
>>>>
>>>> Other list members here may have more recent references or info.
>>>
>>> I think it's always a bit of a squeeze to compare LilyPond with other
>>> programs, particularly in the "challenges" department since the
>>> challenge is often more to the user than to the program, LilyPond being
>>> an open architecture with user-extensible functionality to a much larger
>>> degree than other programs.
>>>
>>> So a particularly user may set a checkmark "yes, can do" while this does
>>> not actually hold for a typical user without asking on the mailing list.
>>>
>>> --
>>> David Kastrup
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Re: Configuring home/bin PATH directory

[J Martin Rushton]

On 13/11/18 08:31, Martin Tarenskeen wrote:
> 
> 
> On Mon, 12 Nov 2018, Keizen Li Qian wrote:
> 
>> Hello, 
>>
>> I installed 2.18.2 on a drive with a partitioned home directory which
>> had an old ~home/bin/lilypond. Somewhere the path had been set to this
>> directory so even after convert-ly successfully converted my old files
>> to 2.18, running lilypond still grabbed an old version in home/bin. After
>> renaming the old directory, I get bash: /home/bin/lilypond: No such
>> file or directory
>> I'd appreciate any detailed suggestions for updating this path and
>> finding information like this. Thank you!
>>
>> Keizen
> 
> Hi Keizen,
> 
> ~home/bin/lilypond or /home/bin/lilypond doesn't look right to me
> 
> I would expect something like ~/bin/lilypond or /home/${USER}/bin/lilypond
> 
> In a terminal what does
> 
> which lilypond
> 
> return? And what did you expect it to return?
> 
> And what do you get if you type
> 
> echo $HOME
> 
> Also check files like .bashrc and .bash_profile in you HOME directory.
> 
> I am talking Linux (Fedora) here, you did not mention what OS you use.

OP quoted the error message: "bash: /home/bin/lilypond: No such file or
directory", so I think we can all safely assume Linux or something like
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Re: Why no numbers allowed in variables?

[J Martin Rushton]

On 02/10/18 23:25, David Kastrup wrote:
> J Martin Rushton  writes:
> 
>> This discussion is strangely familiar.  As one who learnt on FORTRAN IV
>> many years ago, I'm used to seeing that:
>>
>> READ INPUT TAPE 5, 501, IA, IB, IC
>> and
>> READINPUTTAPE5,501,IA,IB,IC
>> or even
>> RE ADIN PUTTA PE5,5 01,I A,I B,I C
>>
>> are the same.  I'm sure there were those back in the late '50s arguing
>> over the use of spaces and numbers within variables.
>>
>> (OT) I've even seen code which intentionally mangled FORTRAN source to
>> make it unreadable, like the third example above.
> 
> That's more like making spaces not have any lexical meaning, ever.
> Basically, if it cannot be part of an identifier, it also cannot
> separate them.  Also you have to be aware that a fresh punch card is
> both empty and contains 80 spaces.  Basically spaces are not even
> recognizable characters in the original typical Fortran input medium.
> 
> For TeX it was more the decision to be able to write things like
> 
> \count5=7
> 
> and LilyPond input is very very loosely modeled after that (via MusicTeX
> and MPP).
> 
Quite correct.  Early FORTRAN compilers eliminated all spaces (other
than those in Hollerith strings) and then parsed the resultant mess.
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Re: Why no numbers allowed in variables?

[J Martin Rushton]

This discussion is strangely familiar.  As one who learnt on FORTRAN IV
many years ago, I'm used to seeing that:

READ INPUT TAPE 5, 501, IA, IB, IC
and
READINPUTTAPE5,501,IA,IB,IC
or even
RE ADIN PUTTA PE5,5 01,I A,I B,I C

are the same.  I'm sure there were those back in the late '50s arguing
over the use of spaces and numbers within variables.

(OT) I've even seen code which intentionally mangled FORTRAN source to
make it unreadable, like the third example above.

On 02/10/18 22:27, Thomas Morley wrote:
> Am Di., 2. Okt. 2018 um 23:17 Uhr schrieb David Kastrup :
> 
>> So what is wrong with using \"var2" or \var.2 ?
> 
> Ah, I forgot about var.1 etc
> 
> Ofcourse below is a bit ugly I'd say:
> 
> val.1 = "foo"
> <<
>   \new Staff \repeat unfold 4 c'4
>   \new Lyrics \lyricmode { \val.1 4 \val.1 2 \val.1 4 }
>>>
> 
> Another possibility is to use superscript like
> val² = ...
> Ofcourse it's soso...
> It works not because it's supported but because it's not disallowed.
> Which may change in the future.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
>   Harm
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Embedded Lilypond

[J Martin Rushton]

I monitor the Dokuwiki* mailing list and today an interesting question
came up.  A user was trying to set a song with guitar chords over the
relevant notes, but proportional text was destroying his formatting.  A
couple of solutions were proposed: override the proportional text (which
needn't concern us here) or use an ABC plugin.  The latter hasn't been
maintained for years.

This got me thinking!  Wikipedia has the  markup, would it be
possible to do something similar for Dokuwiki?  Is there an embeddable
version of Lily?

I see two possible strategies here: (1) Use DW's media manager to keep a
.ly file and engrave from the file to generate output, or (2) use an
inline source.  In either case the output needs to be embeddable HTML
(and if possible a MIDI track).

Thoughts?



*For the interested: Dokuwiki (https://www.dokuwiki.org/dokuwiki) is a
wiki system based on plain text files and a php formatter.  Like Lily it
is designed to be extensible by the use of plugins, which users are
encouraged to publish.



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Re: [VOT] Search for Morgensterns Galgenlieder for choir

[J Martin Rushton]

On 10/06/18 18:03, Aaron Hill wrote:
> On 2018-06-10 09:39, Brian Barker wrote:
>> At 09:25 10/06/2018 -0700, Aaron Hill wrote:
>>> On 2018-06-10 08:19, Malte Meyn wrote:
 The poem is a humourous (is that how you spell it?) explanation for
 losing them every now and then.
>>>
>>> You did just fine. It is humorous (or humourous) depending on your
>>> flavor (or flavour) of English.
>>
>> Sorry, but this is not so. British English - and some other Englishes
>> - use "humour" (and "flavour") but still have "humorous".
> 
> Well, fork me then.  According to OED, while chiefly a British variant,
> the spelling humourous is regarded as an error.  Can't blame that one on
> the headache; that's entirely me being a dumb.  Oh, well.
> 
> -- Aaron Hill

Possibly reflecting British pronunciation?  Hume-err as against
hume-or-us for example.



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(OT) Re: Lilypond <-> Sibelius

[J Martin Rushton]

On 01/06/18 14:43, David Kastrup wrote:
> Nicholas Bailey  writes:
> 
>> On Friday, 25 May 2018 22:09:31 BST J Martin Rushton wrote:
>>> On 25/05/18 10:52, Nicholas Bailey wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, 22 April 2018 12:26:01 BST J Martin Rushton wrote:
>>>>> What is the current state of play for converting between Sibelius and
>>>>> Lily?
>>>>>
>>>>> My elder son uses Sib at university, but has to travel in (40 miles) to
>>>>> log into one of their machines.  I run Lily/Frescobaldi at home and it
>>>>> would be useful to be able to let him work at home and take it in to
>>>>> uni, and conversely print off uni work at home.  I assume the uni
>>>>> machines are WinBoxes, we run Linux and Windows at home.
>>>>
>>>> Any chance the university offers a VPN facility? Could he get a
>>>> site-licensed copy and run it at home using that? Whether or not that's
>>>> "legal" depends on the exact terms of the license I suppose. I could go
>>>> off on a "why do you want to do that??" rant, but it's been done already
>>>> ;)
>>>>
>>>> NJB/.
>>>
>>> Nice thought, but I suspect a little close to the wind.  In the end I've
>>> installed MuseScore both on my machine and his laptop.
>>> Regards,
>>> Martin
>>
>> Glad you got a resolution.
>>
>> Actually, our group's music prof has a load of stuff he wrote years back on 
>> Sibelius 5 which, fortunately, mostly runs under Wine. Since he owns a copy 
>> he 
>> can use that. It was a royal PITA trying to get Sibelius to issue an 
>> authorisation code! I don't think more modern versions work under Wine, but 
>> I've not looked into it for a while.
>>
>> I think he's really got the message that using proprietary solutions is 
>> effectively handing your work over to the software producers. There's lots 
>> of 
>> lilyponding going on here now :)
> 
> To be fair, non-proprietary (and human-mungeable) export formats like
> MusicXML at least give you a bit of a handle on your own work.
> Proprietary binary formats are sort-of final when you lose access for
> some reason.

(OT) I can remember putting up a paper, maybe 25 years ago, pointing out
that archives should always include a simple text version of the word
processed file.  We had similar problems with old executables that
people hadn't preserved the source for.  (back on topic) That's what is
so nice with Lily, ASCII text is pretty future proof.



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Re: Lilypond <-> Sibelius

[J Martin Rushton]

On 25/05/18 10:52, Nicholas Bailey wrote:
> On Sunday, 22 April 2018 12:26:01 BST J Martin Rushton wrote:
>> What is the current state of play for converting between Sibelius and Lily?
>>
>> My elder son uses Sib at university, but has to travel in (40 miles) to
>> log into one of their machines.  I run Lily/Frescobaldi at home and it
>> would be useful to be able to let him work at home and take it in to
>> uni, and conversely print off uni work at home.  I assume the uni
>> machines are WinBoxes, we run Linux and Windows at home.
> 
> Any chance the university offers a VPN facility? Could he get a site-licensed 
> copy and run it at home using that? Whether or not that's "legal" depends on 
> the exact terms of the license I suppose. I could go off on a "why do you 
> want 
> to do that??" rant, but it's been done already ;)
> 
> NJB/.
> 
Nice thought, but I suspect a little close to the wind.  In the end I've
installed MuseScore both on my machine and his laptop.
Regards,
Martin



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Re: Intervals enharmony question

[J Martin Rushton]

> Try .  Look how Frans
> Brüggen is not just working with his fingers but also with his cheeks
> (and deduce what he is doing with his breath) and mouth and recorder
> angle.

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Re: Intervals enharmony question

[J Martin Rushton]

On 01/05/18 10:08, Hans Åberg wrote:
> 
>> On 1 May 2018, at 11:00, David Kastrup  wrote:
>>
>> Hans Åberg  writes:
>>
 On 1 May 2018, at 10:34, David Kastrup  wrote:

 Paid performers.  Recorder performances are a thing in primary school
 contexts already.
>>>
>>> The recorders used in schools are an idea from Carl Orff, with the
>>> idea that it is inexpensive. Therefore, one made a modern recorder
>>> tuning that should be simpler, but without the capacity of the Baroque
>>> tuning. But, as it turn out, it is a bad instrument to start playing
>>> when little, because the fingers motoric is not fully developed. So
>>> that got the recorder a bad reputation instead.
>>>
 I remember some performance from secondary school where a pair of
 prim girls were playing, I think, a duet on soprano recorder (I don't
 even think an alto was involved) from some booklet, with the
 intonation to be expected and everybody clapped politely.  The
 proceeded to WH blow out their mouthpieces, then played
 another piece.  WHEEE.  And another.  WHEEE.  I think they
 proceeded to murder the whole booklet.  WHEEE.  Probably not more
 than 20 pieces or so.  WHEE.
>>>
>>> Give thanks to Carl Orff for that.
>>
>> The recorders were merely the weapon.  The booklet contained the
>> ammunition and the idea of a cartridge clip is usually not to empty it
>> all in one go.
>>
>> At any rate, I am sure that Orff is in an afterlife where angelic little
>> beings are playing recorder to him.
> 
> Or devilish little creatures playing the soprano recorders used in schools.
> 
Have a listen to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcI8KV4ftCk and then
tell me the recorder isn't a serious instrument.  If you want _real_
agony, try listening to beginners on a violin - the cat's revenge.

A week or so ago I was at a concert by Red Priest featuring Piers Adams
on recorder.  Absolutely fabulous; you could hear a pin drop, even with
an audience roughly 50% schoolgirls.  It made me realise how little I've
learnt in half a century of playing.  I'll go and cry into my beer.



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Re: Intervals enharmony question

[J Martin Rushton]

On 30/04/18 22:14, Hans Åberg wrote:
> 
>> On 30 Apr 2018, at 22:50, David Kastrup  wrote:
>>
>> Hans Åberg  writes:
>>
 On 30 Apr 2018, at 22:23, Torsten Hämmerle  
 wrote:

 Hans Åberg-2 wrote
> I play the flute, and I checked with one of my teachers who sits on one of
> the operas here.

 Hi Hans,

 It's funny that you mention the flute of all instruments. It reminds me of
 the old joke
 "How do you get two flute players to play in unison?" - - - "Shoot one!"

 No offence meant, I just couldn't resist :)
>>>
>>> Flutes have a very definite pitch, making it hard to play in unison,
>>> unlike strings then. It is mentioned in Blatter's book on
>>> orchestration.
>>
>> I think recorders are quite worse in that respect.
> 
> Recorders cannot adjust the pitch independently of dynamics, but a performer 
> said he tries to adjust for beats. Incidentally, J.S. Bach wrote for flutes 
> and not recorders, and at home he had a clavichord, with after key touch 
> pitch bend.
> 
If you use alternative fingerings on the recorder you can subtly change
the pitch, which combined with a breath adjustment in the other way
results in a dynamic.  For instance G can be lowered by using the ring
or little finger of the right hand, then the breath is increased to come
back to pitch resulting in a louder note.  In the other direction a
leaky fingering will raise the pitch, though I must admit I've never
mastered that technique without introducing the instability that can
lead to a squeal.

For a lot of earlier music it can be difficult to know if "flauto" is a
flauto dolce (sweet flute - recorder) or a flauto transvero (sp?).  It
mainly seems to depend upon the modern speaker, regardless of the
ancient composer! ;-)



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Re: Large set of parts

[J Martin Rushton]

On 29/04/18 13:42, Wol's lists wrote:
> On 29/04/18 00:00, J Martin Rushton wrote:
>> On 28/04/18 04:46, Karlin High wrote:
>>> On 4/27/2018 8:28 PM, Andrew Bernard wrote:
>>>> It falls into the category of alliteration, which abounds in English
>>>
>>> As a poetry form, too - "Beowulf" and J. R. R. Tolkien's unfinished work
>>> "The Fall of Arthur" come to mind. Sort of like "rhyming" the beginnings
>>> of the words instead of the endings.
>>
>> Most poetry until Chaucer foisted the French custom of end-rhymes on us.
>>   See for example "Sir Gawaine and the Greene Knight" or "The vision of
>> Piers the Ploughman".
>>
> Shakespeare is almost all poetry, not prose. And it rarely rhymes. I
> can't remember the correct term, but poetry is defined by repeating
> rhythms, not by rhyming. Much like music, actually ... :-)
> 
> Cheers,
> Wol

When Shakespeare did rhyme he used end-rhymes, as did most later poets.
Consider the opening of Piers:

In a | somur | seasoun whan | softe was þe | sonne
Y | shope me into | shroudes as | y a | shep were;
In | abite as an | hermite, vn- | holy of | werkes,
| Went forth in þe | world | wondres to | here,

I've inserted bar lines where the stress lies.  Not all stresses are
alliterative (werkes, here) but the regular alliterative framework
defines the beat and drives the the poem on.  Compare this to Chaucer's
opening, possibly written in the same year (1387) but using a French style:

| Whan that | Aprill with his  | shoures | soote
The | droghte of | March hath | perced to the | roote,
And | bathed every | veyne in | swich | licour
Of | which | vertu | engenedred is the | flour

Apart from the alliteration at the end of line 1, the stresses are less
obvious and the phrasing is given by the couplets.  I agree that
Shakespeare goes further and moves into blank verse, but regularly
softens this and returns to end rhyme in extended passages:

I know a bank where the wild thyme grows,
Where oxlips and the nodding violet grows,
Quite over-canopied with luscious woodbine,
With sweet musk-roses and with eglantine.

indeed the whole of this speech (20 lines) is end rhymed (Oberon in
Midsummer night's dream: II,i) as are the preceding ones on the same page.

I may be sticking my neck out a bit here, but I'm not aware of any major
poet writing extended alliterative poetry after 1400.  Examples exist of
alliterative phrases and short (4-6 line) sections which consciously
refer to the earlier style but they are done as a contrast.

Regards,
Martin



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Re: Large set of parts

[J Martin Rushton]

On 28/04/18 04:46, Karlin High wrote:
> On 4/27/2018 8:28 PM, Andrew Bernard wrote:
>> It falls into the category of alliteration, which abounds in English
> 
> As a poetry form, too - "Beowulf" and J. R. R. Tolkien's unfinished work
> "The Fall of Arthur" come to mind. Sort of like "rhyming" the beginnings
> of the words instead of the endings.

Most poetry until Chaucer foisted the French custom of end-rhymes on us.
 See for example "Sir Gawaine and the Greene Knight" or "The vision of
Piers the Ploughman".



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Re: Lilypond <-> Sibelius

[J Martin Rushton]

On 23/04/18 11:36, Torsten Hämmerle wrote:

> I appreciate that many musicians may not like the cryptic text-based entry
> of LilyPond, but:
> As universities totally rely on Finale/Sibelius and often don't even know of
> LilyPond, it's no wonder LilyPond has a hard time.
> In former times, universities were a place and a source of open and free
> software, now they seem to rely on commercial software and don't even care
> about it.
> Students are always in need of money, so why being forced into overly
> expensive software?
> 
> Last year, a young conductor (university degree) was totally overwhelmed by
> a LilyPond score and he asked: "This is looking outrageously good, that's
> incredible, I just can't believe it! Which program did you use?" -
> "LilyPond!" - - - ??? [never heard of it]. No comment.
> 
> Doesn't make it easier.
> 
> Just my two pennies' worth,
> Torsten

Something similar occurs in other fields as well.  Some years ago I
mentioned to a "PC expert" in a retail chain that the OS I used was
Linux.  "Oh I've heard of that" he said brightly, then in a
condescending voice "Linux is what we call an application.  Your
operating system controls the computer and is called Windows"!  I
pointed out to him that I had probably been running and certainly using
computers before he was born, and was quite well aware what an OS was.
Hmmm.

And then there are the people who regard .doc as a standard!  Grrr.

Martin



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Re: Lilypond <-> Sibelius

[J Martin Rushton]

On 22/04/18 22:22, David Kastrup wrote:
> Martin Tarenskeen  writes:
> 
>> On Sun, 22 Apr 2018, David Kastrup wrote:
>>
>>> Martin Tarenskeen  writes:
>>>
> Adobe, Microsoft, Avid...too many to count.
>
> Clever indeed.
>
> In an evil way.

 Let's not forget creating and selling software is a tough
 business. These companies all need to survive against the competition
 and they need to make some serious money. By selling good
 products. And by being clever and/or evil. Otherwise they will die.
>>>
>>> The fundamental difference to drug dealing being?
>>
>> Good question.
>>
>> Adobe, Microsoft, Avid are "clever in an evil way" but they make
>> products that are most of the time relatively harmless, and often
>> quite useful.
> 
> How would you know?  Have you read the 20+ pages of the Windows 10
> privacy agreement?  Or do you just assume?
> 
I'm not sure that the real problem is proprietary software but is
proprietary formats.  If company A makes a product that saves me money
through efficiencies, then it's worth buying just like buying apples
from Asda.  If company B offers a product that cannot be read by any
other product, then that is akin to getting you hooked on drugs.

One reason for always using LibreOffice is that the file formats are
publicly documented.  If LO folds then ultimately I, or another company,
can still read the files.  Likewise Lily; ASCII text files will be
readable indefinitely (assuming the media can be accessed) and with the
source and the manual you can recreate in any form you want.



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Re: Lilypond <-> Sibelius

[J Martin Rushton]

On 22/04/18 17:46, Ben wrote:
> On 4/22/2018 12:06 PM, J Martin Rushton wrote:
>> Thanks all for the suggestions.
>>
>> Ben: I think he is required to use Sibelius at University that appears
>> to be all that they have.  When he was still at school the same applied.
>>  Whilst it would be nice if the uni offered other products, I suspect
>> the learning curve for the staff would be too steep if students actually
>> thought for themselves. ;-)
>>
>> Once again, thanks all
>>
>> Martin
>>
>>
> 
> Hi Martin,
> 
> Happy to help.
> 
> Hmm, that's too bad though that he is forced to use Sibelius. That seems
> strange to me.
> 
> When I was doing my undergraduate work in Theory/Composition, the
> professor used Finale and a few university-labs had Finale pre-installed
> on the computers for sure: but when it came to what program we the
> students *had to* use, there was no rule at all.
> 
> We all handed in our assignments on manuscript paper, printed out from
> whatever program we chose. Or handwritten ;)
> As long as it was on score paper, the professor did not care what
> software we used.
> 
> Do all students have their own university-computer for the class, and
> that has Sibelius on it? Just curious.

No, they use general access ones across the campus which are licensed
for Sib and typically they store work on memory sticks.*  I don't know
what the provision is within the Music department though.  Evidently
their own laptops are not licensed for Sib even if within the campus.

*Don't get me started on the advisability of this though!

> I hope your son finds a successful solution to this! :)
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Re: Lilypond <-> Sibelius

[J Martin Rushton]

On 22/04/18 17:43, David Kastrup wrote:
> J Martin Rushton  writes:
> 
>> Thanks all for the suggestions.
>>
>> Ben: I think he is required to use Sibelius at University that appears
>> to be all that they have.
> 
> Is he majoring in music or in Sibelius?  If the former, he should be
> able to hand in score sheets with music notation (even if they are in a
> PDF created from hand-written scores) rather than notation files.

It's the transferring to and fro that is the issue.  He works on a piece
at uni, then wants to do additional work at home.  I assume that a PDF
would be fine but I'd need to ask.

>> When he was still at school the same applied.  Whilst it would be nice
>>  if the uni offered other products,
> 
> If they _offer_ the product, namely hand installations to the student as
> course material, this changes the equation.  Though requiring music
> students to use a proprietary computer operating system again would
> leave the scope of a music education.

"Offer" as in make available, not "offer" as in give away.

>> Arne: That is interesting.  It's the sort of pricing my
>>  Yorkshire/Scottish ancestry approves of!  I'll talk to him when he
>> gets back this evening.  There does seem to be a problem with running
>> it under Linux, I might try using Wine.  He'll be able to run it on
>> his laptop though.
> 
> Still doesn't work with my notions of authority and respect for learning
> but then I'll readily admit to them being sort-of nonstandard.  Though I
> would not call them unreasonable.

Hmm, but Avid are being clever though.  Let Joe public have a cut down
version - they won't buy at full price so nothing is lost.  Get the
students who will want all the "bells and whistles" used to the full
version, and in 3 years time sting them for £££.



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Re: Lilypond <-> Sibelius

[J Martin Rushton]

Thanks all for the suggestions.

Ben: I think he is required to use Sibelius at University that appears
to be all that they have.  When he was still at school the same applied.
 Whilst it would be nice if the uni offered other products, I suspect
the learning curve for the staff would be too steep if students actually
thought for themselves. ;-)

Phil: Thanks for the information, that is a whole lot cheaper than I
thought.  I'd just heard the headline prices of hundreds if not
thousands of pounds and hadn't looked further.

Martin: I'll have a look at MuseScore.

Arne: That is interesting.  It's the sort of pricing my
Yorkshire/Scottish ancestry approves of!  I'll talk to him when he gets
back this evening.  There does seem to be a problem with running it
under Linux, I might try using Wine.  He'll be able to run it on his
laptop though.

Once again, thanks all

Martin



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Lilypond <-> Sibelius

[J Martin Rushton]

What is the current state of play for converting between Sibelius and Lily?

My elder son uses Sib at university, but has to travel in (40 miles) to
log into one of their machines.  I run Lily/Frescobaldi at home and it
would be useful to be able to let him work at home and take it in to
uni, and conversely print off uni work at home.  I assume the uni
machines are WinBoxes, we run Linux and Windows at home.



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Re: bookparts (OT)

[J Martin Rushton]

On 12/03/18 21:47, Noeck wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> thanks a lot to all how replied to my questions!
> I got quite discouraged by the first reply but having my questions
> (mostly) confirmed helps a lot.
> 
> Summary of the main points:
> 
> - \bookpart is something like a scope for \paper settings
> - I have to use unique variable naming
> - While includes can go in several places, variable definitions can only
>   appear on top level (so can includes containing definitions).
> 
> The unique naming is the biggest issue for me now and I have to
> restructure a lot concerning variables and includes. But it is solvable.
> 
> Thanks for all your input!
> Joram
> 
Scope! Whazzat?

From my formative years ...

Real Programmers...
• Don't eat quiche. Real programmers don't even know how to spell
quiche. They like Twinkies, Coke, and palate-scorching Szechwan food.
• Don't write applications programs. They program right down to the bare
metal. Applications programs are for dullards who can't do systems
programming.
• Don't comment their code. If it was hard to write, it should be hard
to understand and even harder to modify.
• Don't draw flowcharts. Flowcharts are, after all, the illiterate's
form of documentation. Cavemen drew flowcharts; look how much it did for
them.
• Don't use COBOL. COBOL is for wimpy applications programmers.
• Don't use FORTRAN. FORTRAN is for wimpy engineers who wear white
socks, pipe stress freaks, and crystallography weenies. They get excited
over finite state analysis and nuclear reactor simulations.
• Don't use LOGO. In fact  programmers use LOGO after puberty.
• Don't use APL unless the whole program can be written on one line.
• Don't use LISP. Only effeminate programmers use more parentheses than
actual code.
• Don't use Pascal, BLISS, ADA, or any of those sissy-pinko computer
science languages. Strong typing is a crutch for people with weak memories.
• Never work 9 to 5. If any are around at 9 a.m. it's because they were
up all night.
• Don't play tennis or any other sport that requires a change of
clothes. Mountain climbing is OK, though, and real programmers often
wear climbing boots to work in case a mountain should suddenly spring up
in the middle of the machine room.
• Don't like the team programming concept. Unless, of course, they are
the Chief Programmer.
• Have no use for managers. Managers are a necessary evil. They are for
dealing with personnel bozos, bean counters, senior planners, and other
mental defectives.
• Don't drive around in clapped out mavericks. They prefer BMW's,
Lincolns, or pick-up trucks with floor shifts. Fast motorcycles are
highly regarded.
• Like vending machine popcorn. Coders pop it in the microwave oven.
Real programmers use the heat given off by the CPU. They can tell what
job is running just by listening to the rate the corn is popping.
• Know every nuance of every instruction and use them all in every real
program. Puppy architects won't allow execute instructions to address
another execute as the target instruction. Real programmers despise such
petty restrictions.
• Don't bring brown bag lunches to work. If the vending machine sells
it, they eat it. If the vending machine doesn't sell it, they don't eat
it. Vending machines don't sell quiche.
- Author Unknown

(Nicked from
https://www.daniweb.com/community-center/threads/139423/real-programmers-don-t-eat-quiche
who had pinched it from an April 1985 DEC magazine)



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Re: Simple midi player

[J Martin Rushton]

On 06/03/18 14:00, Gianmaria Lari wrote:
> 
> On 6 March 2018 at 13:31, Ben  > wrote:
> 
> On 3/6/2018 1:36 AM, Gianmaria Lari wrote:
>>
>> On 6 March 2018 at 00:32, Hwaen Ch'uqi > > wrote:
>>
>> Greetings All,
>>
>> I should like to piggy-back onto Nathan's question, though as
>> an emacs
>> user. I have been using timidity, which is directly mentioned
>> in the
>> documentation, but I too would like the ability to fast-forward or
>> rewind or to start at a particular place.
>>
>> Hwaen Ch'uqi
>>
>>
>> What about windows? Anyone found a way to set the starting point
>> at a particular place instead of the beginning?
>>
>> Gianmaria
>>  
> There is basic 'seek and playback' functionality in Frescobaldi.
> 
> 
> Yes, you can move the frescobaldi midi player cursor (with the mouse) at
> the position you like BUT each time you re-compile you lost the position
> and you have to set it again it is doable but not practical. What I
> personally do is to comment out the part of the score I don't want to
> listen.  So, it would be great to be able to set the score begin to
> a certain measure and make Frescobaldi doesn't forget it.
> 
> By the way do you know if it exist any keyboard shortcuts more than
> "ctrl-p" to control the player?
> 
> Thankyou, g.
> 
Moving the cursor like that can also loose the instrumentation.  Instead
of midi's interpretation of the correct orchestration you end up with an
anodyne piano-ish sound.  Much, very much, better than nothing, but
annoying on occasions.



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Re: Multiple staffs

[J Martin Rushton]

On 25/02/18 21:07, pe...@chubb.wattle.id.au wrote:
>>>>>> "J" == J Martin Rushton  writes:
> 
> J> to set a composition which starts with a single instrument before
> J> bringing in the whole ensemble.  I don't want to break it up into
> J> multiple scores because I want the midi to play through as a single
> J> performance.
> 
> 
> Something like this?  I think it'd look better with a line break after
> the solo section, but this should give you an idea.  Your example had
> everything in parallel, instead of a sequential part.
> 
> \version "2.21.0"
> solo = \relative c'' { c4 c c c }
> 
> desc = \relative c'' { b b b b }
> treb = \relative c'' { g g g g }
> bass = \relative c { e e e e }
> 
> \score {
> { % sequential Music that starts with the solo
> \new Staff = "treb" \solo
> 
>   << % and now a parallel section of three staves.
>  % The label marks which one was the solo before.
>  \new Staff \desc
>  \context Staff = "treb" \treb
>  \new Staff { \clef "F" \bass
>   >>
> }
>   >>
> }
> 

Thank you to David, Karlin & Peter.

I've sorted out the silly typo and understood that I need a second set
of brackets to serialise the expressions.  Thanks also for pointing out
that I needed \context rather than \new.  I'm using the script below
which, although not perfect, enables me to get on with music not
programming.  The only slight niggle is whether I can persuade Lily to
use the full instrument names at the start of the main section rather
than the short names.

Once again, thanks for your help.

Martin

%<

introPart = \new Staff ="tenor" \with {
  instrumentName = "Tenor"
  midiInstrument = "recorder"
  shortInstrumentName = "Te"
} { \clef treble \intro }

descantRecorderPart = \new Staff \with {
  alignAboveContext = #"tenor"
  instrumentName = "Descant"
  shortInstrumentName = "De"
  midiInstrument = "recorder"
} { \clef "treble^8" \descantRecorder }

trebleRecorderPart = \new Staff \with {
  alignAboveContext = #"tenor"
  instrumentName = "Treble"
  shortInstrumentName = "Tr"
  midiInstrument = "recorder"
} { \clef "treble" \trebleRecorder }

tenorRecorderPart = \context Staff ="tenor" \with {
  instrumentName = "Tenor"
  midiInstrument = "recorder"
  shortInstrumentName = "Te"
} { \clef treble \tenorRecorder }

bassRecorderPart = \new Staff \with {
  instrumentName = "Bass"
  midiInstrument = "recorder"
  shortInstrumentName = "Ba"
} { \clef "bass^8" \bassRecorder }

\book {
  \score {
{
  \introPart
  <<
\descantRecorderPart
\trebleRecorderPart
\tenorRecorderPart
\bassRecorderPart
  >>
}
\layout {}
\midi {}
  }
}



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Re: Multiple staffs

[J Martin Rushton]

On 24/02/18 23:17, David Kastrup wrote:
> J Martin Rushton  writes:
> 
>> I'm trying to set a composition which starts with a single instrument
>> before bringing in the whole ensemble.  I don't want to break it up into
>> multiple scores because I want the midi to play through as a single
>> performance.
>>
>> I've tried many ways to do this with little success.  The latest attempt
>> was (copied from the learning manual, §A.4.5) :
>>
>>
>> \score {
>>   <<
>> \new Voice = "SoloVoice" << introPart >>
>> \new Staff <<
>>   \new Voice = "SopranoVoice" << \descantRecorderPart >>
>>   \new Voice = "BassVoice" << \tenorRecorderPart >>
>> >>
>>   >>
>>   \layout { }
>>   \midi {
>> \tempo 4=60
>>   }
>> }
>>
>> but this errors at the first voice complaining that introPart is not a
>> note name.  IntroPart is actually:
>>
>> introPart = \new Staff \with {
>>   instrumentName = "Tenor"
>>   midiInstrument = "recorder"
>> } { \clef treble \intro }
> 
> No, it isn't.  It is a word.  You are confusing introPart and \introPart
> here.
> 

> 
> The first one is fine, but the reference to introPart (as opposed to the
> definition) needs to start with a backslash.
> 

I accidentally replied to David rather than to the group.  Here is my
reply to him and a subsequent follow up.


Thankyou, that was a silly basic mistake.  Having corrected that it does
compile, but the output is wrong.  I get a staff of 5 staves: blank, the
one from intro, another blank and the the descant ant tenor parts.  What
I'm after is the intro part as a single line first, then the staff with
two staves.

A few more facts: the intro uses the cadenzaOn switch to allow the
setting of plain chant.  The main part of the piece has four parts
(possibly more) and is in normal modern time.  I've cut it down to two
lines only as a test measure.

Thanks for you help,
Martin



I was further playing around this morning and am back to:

\score {
  \introPart
  \layout { }
%  \midi {
%\tempo 4=60
%  }
}

\score {
  <<
\descantRecorderPart
\tenorRecorderPart
  >>
  \layout { }
  \midi {
\tempo 4=60
  }
}

which lays out correctly.  However I now have the original problem that
the midi is in two separate files and under Frescobaldi only the first
one plays.

Regards,
Martin



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Multiple staffs

[J Martin Rushton]

I'm trying to set a composition which starts with a single instrument
before bringing in the whole ensemble.  I don't want to break it up into
multiple scores because I want the midi to play through as a single
performance.

I've tried many ways to do this with little success.  The latest attempt
was (copied from the learning manual, §A.4.5) :


\score {
  <<
\new Voice = "SoloVoice" << introPart >>
\new Staff <<
  \new Voice = "SopranoVoice" << \descantRecorderPart >>
  \new Voice = "BassVoice" << \tenorRecorderPart >>
>>
  >>
  \layout { }
  \midi {
\tempo 4=60
  }
}

but this errors at the first voice complaining that introPart is not a
note name.  IntroPart is actually:

introPart = \new Staff \with {
  instrumentName = "Tenor"
  midiInstrument = "recorder"
} { \clef treble \intro }

I've also tried:

\score {
   \introPart
<<
  \descantRecorderPart
  \tenorRecorderPart
>>
  \layout { }
  \midi {
\tempo 4=60
  }
}

which errors with "Spurious expression in \score" <<

I've also tried every variant of the last form that I can think of.  Can
anyone point me in the right direction?



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Re: OT: typewriter LaTeX package

[J Martin Rushton]

As someone who does most of my work in monospaced fonts, the double
space at the end of the sentence is essential.  Without it you get the
"wall of text" with no obvious breaks.  What word processors do is of
course down to the whims of the (perpetrator) programmer!

On 15/02/18 18:04, Hugh S. Myers wrote:
> If memory serves (touch typist since 1963) it was assumed to be
> universal.  I had a good deal of correspondence with folks across the
> pond and never thought twice about the double space post-sentence. I
> think with the advent of first the IBM Selectric and much later the
> Apple/Postscript combination, somewhere in there it sort of went away!
> 
> Love the new package BTW! Tre retro :)
> 
> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 10:42 AM,  > wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 15 Feb 2018, Urs Liska wrote:
> > > that may not be standard for proportional typesetting (even LaTeX's
> > > standard 1.33 factor is no longer popular) but the double-width 
> sentence
> > > space was universal in typewritten texts when typewriters were common.
> > >
> >
> > Are you sure this is not related to language and culture? I can't recall
> 
> It may be.  I was talking about English-language typewritten texts.
> 
> --
> Matthew Skala
> msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca          
>        People before principles.
> http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/
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Re: cross-staff stems in a piano part

[J Martin Rushton]

On 10/12/17 01:29, Andrew Bernard wrote:
> Hi Chris,
> 
> Just look up the syntax for 'cross staff stems' in the NR. It's pretty
> simple.
> 
> I don't know much about 2.18.2, but I imagine that feature is there.
> By the way, have you considered upgrading to 2.19.80? It's very stable
> and the 19 series have so many good features it seems a pity to languish
> in the past!
> 
> Andrew
> 
Hi Andrew,

Am I looking in the wrong place: http://lilypond.org/index.html ?  The
page there lists 2.18.2 as the stable release and 2.19.80 as unstable.

Martin



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Re: Security problem: lilypond-invoke-editor

[J Martin Rushton]

On 23/11/17 09:23, David Kastrup wrote:
> Knut Petersen  writes:
> 
>> 12 years ago a security problem was introduced into lilypond-invoke-editor.
>> On 2017/11/15 the problem was reported to the bug-lilypond mailing
>> list by Gabriel Corona.
> 
> [...]
> 
>> If you do not know if you are affected:
>>
>> 1.: locate lilypond-invoke-editor
>>
>> 2. Open lilypond-invoke-editor in your favorite text editor. Search for
>>
>>    (if (is-textedit-uri? uri)
>>  (run-editor uri)
>>  (run-browser uri)
>>
>> and replace it with
>>
>>    (if (is-textedit-uri? uri)
>>      (run-editor uri)
> 
> Stupid question: what does run-editor do to be inherently safer than
> run-browser, and what would prevent run-browser from doing the same?
> 
> The reason I am asking is that changing the semantics significantly
> before 2.20 is icky, yet we would not want to leave a security hole
> around we have been given notice of.
> 
> So the question is whether there would not be a sort-of trivial patchup
> of this preserving the original intent.
> 
> For the long haul, it's probably the right fix on GNU/Linux systems.  I
> just have no idea how this would affect other systems and possibly our
> installers.
> 
Just to make life hard, using "command -v lilypond-invoke-editor" turns
up a file in /usr/local/bin.  It is a symbolic link to
/usr/local/bin/lilypond-wrapper.guile.  That file is (truncating to
avoid wrapping):

#!/bin/sh
export PYTHONPATH= ...
export GUILE_LOAD_PATH= ...
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH= ...
me=`basename $0`
exec "/usr/local/lilypond/usr/bin/guile"  \
  -e main "/usr/local/lilypond/usr/bin/$me" "$@"

It is the file /usr/local/lilypond/usr/bin/lilypond-invoke-editor which
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Re: [OT] Linux Users

[J Martin Rushton]

On 17/11/17 22:59, Brett M. Gilio wrote:
> How many Linux users are out there in the Lilypond community? Do any of
> you use other type-setting software such as LaTeX or Csound rather than
> graphical tools?
> 
> 
> BMG

I use Lilypond+Frescobaldi on CentOS at home and Lilypond on Wikipedia
pages.



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Re: [OT] Grammatic gender

[J Martin Rushton]

On 17/11/17 21:28, Peter Chubb wrote:
> For interest, here's a link to a short article written by Poul
> Anderson, as if English were purged of almost all non-germanic words,
> and still used German-style compounds.
> 
> Very off topic!
> https://groups.google.com/forum/message/raw?msg=alt.language.artificial/ZL4e3fD7eW0/_7p8bKwLJWkJ
> 
Absolutely brilliant!  Thank you.



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Re: [OT] Grammatic gender

[J Martin Rushton]

On 17/11/17 07:55, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
> 

> 
> Some people also think they need to use an apostrophe in dialect words like 
> "Mader’l" (Bavarian/Austrian diminutive of "Maid/Mädchen"), and that’s also 
> completely wrong, since "-e(r)l" ("-le" in Suebian, "-li" in Swiss German) is 
> just a dialect variant of standard German diminutive suffix "-lein".
> 

> 
> Greetlings, Hraban
> ---
> fiëé visuëlle
> Henning Hraban Ramm
> http://www.fiee.net

There is a similar issue with the "apologetic apostrophe" in Scots.
From the 18thC to mid-20thC writers inserted apostrophes where Scots
didn't have a consonant that English does.  For instance the English
word "give" is equivalent to the Scots word "gie".  The apologetic
apostrophe would render this "gi'e" but this is now frowned upon.

REgards,
Martin



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Re: [OT] Grammatic gender

[J Martin Rushton]

On 15/11/17 14:59, Wols Lists wrote:
> On 15/11/17 01:13, Andrew Bernard wrote:
>> Often people refer to boats as 'she', but that's not a part of grammar.
> 
> And the same boat is, so I understand, usually referred to BY THE CREW,
> as "he". So your own boat is "he", others are "she".
> 
> Cheers,
> Wol
> 
I've never heard of that before, certainly not in British maritime
usage.  The skipper of another vessel is (by default) assumed male, so
the sentence "She'll be on the rocks if he doesn't watch out" makes
perfect sense.



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Re: (OT) New User introduction

[J Martin Rushton]

(OT) Back in the '60s I had a blind piano teacher.  She was a regular
attender at the Methodist Church.  The Methodist Hymn Book of that
period had just under 1,000 hymns, some with alternate tunes.  Neatly
stacked in one of the pews were a pile of large format books (from
memory about A3 size).  The pile must have been at least 2' high.  They
were the complete hymn book with tunes in braille.

On 11/11/17 16:07, Karlin High wrote:
> On 11/10/2017 4:05 PM, Daniel Chavez wrote:
>> I am a totally blind musician and have been playing piano since I was
>> 3-years-old. I came across LilyPond in my efforts to find a free-ware
>> software that I can write out my music for sheep music purposes
> 
> We have an extended-family member who is blind from an early age due to
> an inherited retina disorder. I've seen some of what she can do with
> braille embossers, braille terminals and such, and I can see LilyPond's
> text-based input design being an advantage for use with those tools.
> 
> Now, I am curious about the sheet music format you use for working with
> LilyPond's OUTPUT. Is it something based on printed pages, as LilyPond
> is most commonly used? Or something texture-based like Music Braille?
> 
> I didn't know Music Braille existed until just now...
> http://braillebug.afb.org/music_braille.asp
> ...but apparently it originated in 1837 with Monsieur Louis himself.



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