Re: Time signature at the end of measure before jump to coda

[Vlado Ilić]

This is what i came up with

\version "2.24.4"

\relative c'' {

 f
 \tweak extra-offset #'(0 . -2)
 \rightHandFinger
 \markup{
   \parenthesize{
\fontsize #4 \compound-meter #'(6 8)
}
}
}

It's hacky but it works.

On Sun, Aug 4, 2024 at 1:43 AM Vlado Ilić  wrote:

> Thanks,
> While it does show what i want, problem is that next measures (g4 in this
> example) also takes 6/8 time. Example
>
> \version "2.24.4"
>
> music = \fixed c' {
>   f1
>   \repeat segno 2 {
> g1
> \alternative {
>   \volta 1 { \repeat unfold 4 { a2 }
>   \break
>   \key f \major
>   \time 6/8
>   \repeat unfold 9 { a4 }
>   \break
>
>   }
>   \volta 2 \volta #'() {
>   \section
>   \sectionLabel Coda
>   }
> }
>   }
>
>   \key c \major
>   \time 6/8
>   \repeat unfold 9 {a4}
>   \fine
> }
>
> \score { \music }
>
> In this example, from bar 7 there's a jump to segno in bar 2, bar 7 is in
> f major and 6/8 time but a bar 2 is in c major and 4/4 so i want to mark
> that at the end of bar 7 (key and time is shown on end of bar from coda but
> i need key and time from bar 2), also from bar 2 there is a jump to coda on
> bar 8 and because the coda is in 6/8 i want to mark that on end of bar 2,
> if i add the solution:
>
> \version "2.24.4"
>
> music = \fixed c' {
>   f1
>   \repeat segno 2 {
> g1
> \once \override Score.BreakAlignment.break-align-orders =
> ##((left-edge
> staff-ellipsis
> cue-end-clef
> ambitus
> breathing-sign
> signum-repetitionis
> clef
> cue-clef
> key-cancellation
> key-signature
> time-signature
> staff-bar
> custos)
>   (left-edge
> staff-ellipsis
> cue-end-clef
> ambitus
> breathing-sign
> signum-repetitionis
> clef
> cue-clef
> key-cancellation
> key-signature
> time-signature
> staff-bar
> custos)
>   (left-edge
> staff-ellipsis
> ambitus
> breathing-sign
> signum-repetitionis
> clef
> key-cancellation
> key-signature
> time-signature
> staff-bar
> cue-clef
> custos))
>   \once \override Staff.Parentheses.font-size = 4
>   \parenthesize \time 6/8
> \alternative {
>   \volta 1 { \repeat unfold 4 { a2 }
>   \break
>   \key f \major
>   \time 6/8
>   \repeat unfold 9 { a4 }
>   \break
>
>   }
>   \volta 2 \volta #'() {
>   \section
>   \sectionLabel Coda
>   }
> }
>   }
>
>   \key c \major
>   \time 6/8
>   \repeat unfold 9 {a4}
>   \fine
> }
>
> \score { \music }
>
>
> it breaks the measures 3 and 4, so i need to mark time signature just as
> symbol, not as real time for next measures.
>
> On Sat, Aug 3, 2024 at 8:08 PM Xavier Scheuer  wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 3 Aug 2024 at 17:17, Vlado Ilić  wrote:
>> >
>> > So i need something like in the first picture, on coda i have different
>> time signature than the one before the jump so i need to mark time change
>> just before the jump. Also related, in the second image i need to mark time
>> and key change before jumping from D.S. to the beginning of the piece. How
>> can i achieve that? Thanks
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> For 1, use \once \override Score.BreakAlignment.break-align-orders.
>>
>> \relative c'' {
>>   \partial 8 e16 f
>>   \once \override Score.BreakAlignment.break-align-orders =
>> ##((left-edge
>> staff-ellipsis
>> cue-end-clef
>> ambitus
>> breathing-sign
>> signum-repetitionis
>> clef
>> cue-clef
>> key-cancellation
>> key-signature
>> time-signature
>> staff-bar
>> custos)
>>   (left-edge
>> staff-ellipsis
>> cue-end-clef
>> ambitus
>> breathing-sign
>> signum-repetitionis
>> clef
>> cue-clef
>> key-cancellation
>> key-signature
>> time-signature
>> staff-bar
>> custos)
>>   (left-edge
>> staff-ellipsis
>> ambitus
>> breathing-sign
>> signum-repetitionis
>> clef
>> key-cancellation
>> key-signature
>> time-signature
>> staff-bar
>> cue-clef
>> custos))
>>   \once \override Staff.Parentheses.font-size = 4
>>   \parenthesize \time 6/8
>>   g4
>> }
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Xavier
>>
>

Re: Time signature at the end of measure before jump to coda

[Vlado Ilić]

Thanks,
While it does show what i want, problem is that next measures (g4 in this
example) also takes 6/8 time. Example

\version "2.24.4"

music = \fixed c' {
  f1
  \repeat segno 2 {
g1
\alternative {
  \volta 1 { \repeat unfold 4 { a2 }
  \break
  \key f \major
  \time 6/8
  \repeat unfold 9 { a4 }
  \break

  }
  \volta 2 \volta #'() {
  \section
  \sectionLabel Coda
  }
}
  }

  \key c \major
  \time 6/8
  \repeat unfold 9 {a4}
  \fine
}

\score { \music }

In this example, from bar 7 there's a jump to segno in bar 2, bar 7 is in f
major and 6/8 time but a bar 2 is in c major and 4/4 so i want to mark that
at the end of bar 7 (key and time is shown on end of bar from coda but i
need key and time from bar 2), also from bar 2 there is a jump to coda on
bar 8 and because the coda is in 6/8 i want to mark that on end of bar 2,
if i add the solution:

\version "2.24.4"

music = \fixed c' {
  f1
  \repeat segno 2 {
g1
\once \override Score.BreakAlignment.break-align-orders =
##((left-edge
staff-ellipsis
cue-end-clef
ambitus
breathing-sign
signum-repetitionis
clef
cue-clef
key-cancellation
key-signature
time-signature
staff-bar
custos)
  (left-edge
staff-ellipsis
cue-end-clef
ambitus
breathing-sign
signum-repetitionis
clef
cue-clef
key-cancellation
key-signature
time-signature
staff-bar
custos)
  (left-edge
staff-ellipsis
ambitus
breathing-sign
signum-repetitionis
clef
key-cancellation
key-signature
time-signature
staff-bar
cue-clef
custos))
  \once \override Staff.Parentheses.font-size = 4
  \parenthesize \time 6/8
\alternative {
  \volta 1 { \repeat unfold 4 { a2 }
  \break
  \key f \major
  \time 6/8
  \repeat unfold 9 { a4 }
  \break

  }
  \volta 2 \volta #'() {
  \section
  \sectionLabel Coda
  }
}
  }

  \key c \major
  \time 6/8
  \repeat unfold 9 {a4}
  \fine
}

\score { \music }


it breaks the measures 3 and 4, so i need to mark time signature just as
symbol, not as real time for next measures.

On Sat, Aug 3, 2024 at 8:08 PM Xavier Scheuer  wrote:

> On Sat, 3 Aug 2024 at 17:17, Vlado Ilić  wrote:
> >
> > So i need something like in the first picture, on coda i have different
> time signature than the one before the jump so i need to mark time change
> just before the jump. Also related, in the second image i need to mark time
> and key change before jumping from D.S. to the beginning of the piece. How
> can i achieve that? Thanks
>
> Hello,
>
> For 1, use \once \override Score.BreakAlignment.break-align-orders.
>
> \relative c'' {
>   \partial 8 e16 f
>   \once \override Score.BreakAlignment.break-align-orders =
> ##((left-edge
> staff-ellipsis
> cue-end-clef
> ambitus
> breathing-sign
> signum-repetitionis
> clef
> cue-clef
> key-cancellation
> key-signature
> time-signature
> staff-bar
> custos)
>   (left-edge
> staff-ellipsis
> cue-end-clef
> ambitus
> breathing-sign
> signum-repetitionis
> clef
> cue-clef
> key-cancellation
> key-signature
> time-signature
> staff-bar
> custos)
>   (left-edge
> staff-ellipsis
> ambitus
> breathing-sign
> signum-repetitionis
> clef
> key-cancellation
> key-signature
> time-signature
> staff-bar
> cue-clef
> custos))
>   \once \override Staff.Parentheses.font-size = 4
>   \parenthesize \time 6/8
>   g4
> }
>
> Kind regards,
> Xavier
>

Re: Time signature at the end of measure before jump to coda

[Xavier Scheuer]

On Sat, 3 Aug 2024 at 17:17, Vlado Ilić  wrote:
>
> So i need something like in the first picture, on coda i have different
time signature than the one before the jump so i need to mark time change
just before the jump. Also related, in the second image i need to mark time
and key change before jumping from D.S. to the beginning of the piece. How
can i achieve that? Thanks

Hello,

For 1, use \once \override Score.BreakAlignment.break-align-orders.

\relative c'' {
  \partial 8 e16 f
  \once \override Score.BreakAlignment.break-align-orders =
##((left-edge
staff-ellipsis
cue-end-clef
ambitus
breathing-sign
signum-repetitionis
clef
cue-clef
key-cancellation
key-signature
time-signature
staff-bar
custos)
  (left-edge
staff-ellipsis
cue-end-clef
ambitus
breathing-sign
signum-repetitionis
clef
cue-clef
key-cancellation
key-signature
time-signature
staff-bar
custos)
  (left-edge
staff-ellipsis
ambitus
breathing-sign
signum-repetitionis
clef
key-cancellation
key-signature
time-signature
staff-bar
cue-clef
custos))
  \once \override Staff.Parentheses.font-size = 4
  \parenthesize \time 6/8
  g4
}

Kind regards,
Xavier

Re: Time signature cancellation

[Andrew Bernard]

The criterion for a word to be included in the Oxford English Dictionary 
is three proven printed examples. :-)


Andrew


On 5/06/2023 2:25 pm, Werner LEMBERG wrote

Understood.  However, we *need* good real-world examples that are not
bound to certain notation programs so that we have a chance to find a
generic implementation.

Re: Time signature cancellation

[Werner LEMBERG]

> It's not unusual, just not Common Era period which lilypond
> principally focuses on.

Understood.  However, we *need* good real-world examples that are not
bound to certain notation programs so that we have a chance to find a
generic implementation.

> One example has been given. Do you need more? A quorum? :-)
>
> Here's Wikipedia:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_time_%28music%29

Excellent, thanks.  It already helps to have the right musical term.


Werner

Re: Time signature cancellation

[Andrew Bernard]

Re that merge request, I think it's important to frame it as an open 
meter sign, not as a cancellation. As somebody pointed out, it can start 
a piece and so it is not cancelling anything previous.



Andrew

Re: Time signature cancellation

[Andrew Bernard]

Hello All,

It's not unusual, just not Common Era period which lilypond principally 
focuses on.


It is not a _cancellation_ or a crossing out. It's as designator of open 
meter. Dorico enables it because people use it and request it, not 
because the Dorico team read it in Gould. Dorico targets a broader 
spectrum than CE period, in particular film scoring and so on.


One example has been given. Do you need more? A quorum? :-)

Here's Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_time_%28music%29

Adding this open meter indication to lilypond would do no harm, surely? 
As with Dorico, don't make it mandatory for open meter, just available 
if required.


Andrew


On 4/06/2023 11:50 pm, Werner LEMBERG wrote:

Thanks, but ideally we would like to see a real-world example that
predates recent notation programs – they probably all try to implement
the stuff from Gould's book...

Re: Time signature cancellation

[Flaming Hakama by Elaine]

>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Mark Knoop 
> To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2023 16:33:41 +0100
> Subject: Re: Time signature cancellation
>
> At 14:59 on 04 Jun 2023, Damian leGassick wrote:
> > you just want a recent real-world example? Birtwistle: Harrison’s
> > Clocks.
>
> See bar 1 here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufDaECmsXNw
>
>
Being the first bar of a piece, this is not an example of a cancellation
signature, as there is no prior signature to cancel.

In terms of the feature, I agree that adding it probably does little harm.

The biggest issue would likely be that, because it is supported, someone
will decide to use it, assuming that musicians would know what it means.


Elaine Alt
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highly underrated*"
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Re: Time signature cancellation

[Werner LEMBERG]

> you just want a recent real-world example? Birtwistle: Harrison’s
> Clocks.

Thanks!


Werner

Re: Time signature cancellation

[Mark Knoop]

At 14:59 on 04 Jun 2023, Damian leGassick wrote:
> you just want a recent real-world example? Birtwistle: Harrison’s
> Clocks.

See bar 1 here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufDaECmsXNw

I see this usage occasionally, but not sure that I'd quite call it a
standard. It is however fairly clear, and so long as any LilyPond
implementation is able to be overridden (by the usual methods) I see no
harm in adding it.

>> On 4 Jun 2023, at 14:51, Werner LEMBERG  wrote:
 Has anyone here ever used or seen the X-shaped time-signature
 cancellation sign pictured at [1], or anything similar?
>>>
>>> It's one standard for open meter.
>>>
>>> Here's the Dorico manual info: [...]
>>
>> Thanks, but ideally we would like to see a real-world example that
>> predates recent notation programs – they probably all try to implement
>> the stuff from Gould's book...
>>
>>
>>Werner
--
Mark Knoop

Re: Time signature cancellation

[Damian leGassick]

you just want a recent real-world example? Birtwistle: Harrison’s Clocks.

D

> On 4 Jun 2023, at 14:51, Werner LEMBERG  wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>>> Has anyone here ever used or seen the X-shaped time-signature
>>> cancellation sign pictured at [1], or anything similar?
>> 
>> It's one standard for open meter.
>> 
>> Here's the Dorico manual info: [...]
> 
> Thanks, but ideally we would like to see a real-world example that
> predates recent notation programs – they probably all try to implement
> the stuff from Gould's book...
> 
> 
>Werner

Re: Time signature cancellation

[Werner LEMBERG]

>> Has anyone here ever used or seen the X-shaped time-signature
>> cancellation sign pictured at [1], or anything similar?
>
> It's one standard for open meter.
>
> Here's the Dorico manual info: [...]

Thanks, but ideally we would like to see a real-world example that
predates recent notation programs – they probably all try to implement
the stuff from Gould's book...


Werner

Re: Time signature cancellation

[Andrew Bernard]

It's one standard for open meter.

Here's the Dorico manual info:

Andrew


On 4/06/2023 10:49 pm, Dan Eble wrote:

Has anyone here ever used or seen the X-shaped time-signature cancellation sign 
pictured at [1], or anything similar?


Thanks,
--
Dan

[1]https://gitlab.com/lilypond/lilypond/-/merge_requests/2029

Re: Time signature guide

[Leo Correia de Verdier]

I hadn’t seen David’s reply until after I posted, otherwise I wouldn't have 
basically repeated his answer.
A disadvantage of the << … \\ … >> syntax in this case is that it applies 
\voiceTwo to \melody (it has all its stems turned down, for instance). While 
you can reset that with \oneVoice I prefer just placing them in parallell in 
the same explicitly initiated Staff, as I did.

> 22 mars 2022 kl. 10:27 skrev Rip _Mus :
> 
> Thank you so much,
> you offered two similar and valid solutions!
> 
> Regards
> 
> 
> 
> Il giorno lun 21 mar 2022 alle ore 10:19 Leo Correia de Verdier 
>  ha scritto:
> I’m not sure I understood your question right, but I think the usual way to 
> do it would be to write the ”global” variable as a sequence of tempos, time 
> signatures and other events separated by spacers or skips. 
> 
> Something like:
> 
> %%
> 
> \version "2.23.6"
> 
> global = { \time 4/4 \tempo "Allegro" 4 = 144 
>s1
>\time 3/8 \tempo "Adagio" 8 = 76 
>s4.
>\time 5/8 \tempo "" 8 = 92 
>s8*5
>\time 3/2 \tempo "Vivo" 2 = 152 
>s1.
>\bar "|."
> }
> 
> part = { c'1 | d'4. | e'4~ 4. | a'1. }
> 
> \new Staff << \global \part >>
> 
> \layout { ragged-right = ##f }
> 
> %%
> 
> > 21 mars 2022 kl. 09:51 skrev Rip _Mus :
> > 
> > Good morning,
> > I would need advice.
> > In a score with many time signature changes (where I therefore cannot use a 
> > stable global variable of tempo and time signature), there is a way to set 
> > a "guide" in which to set the various time signature changes, without " 
> > dirty "the instrumental variables?
> > Perhaps there is some suitable context for this? Or other strategies?
> > 
> > Thank you very much
> > 
> > Rip_mus
> 

Re: Time signature guide

[Rip _Mus]

Thank you so much,
you offered two similar and valid solutions!

Regards



Il giorno lun 21 mar 2022 alle ore 10:19 Leo Correia de Verdier <
leo.correia.de.verd...@gmail.com> ha scritto:

> I’m not sure I understood your question right, but I think the usual way
> to do it would be to write the ”global” variable as a sequence of tempos,
> time signatures and other events separated by spacers or skips.
>
> Something like:
>
> %%
>
> \version "2.23.6"
>
> global = { \time 4/4 \tempo "Allegro" 4 = 144
>s1
>\time 3/8 \tempo "Adagio" 8 = 76
>s4.
>\time 5/8 \tempo "" 8 = 92
>s8*5
>\time 3/2 \tempo "Vivo" 2 = 152
>s1.
>\bar "|."
> }
>
> part = { c'1 | d'4. | e'4~ 4. | a'1. }
>
> \new Staff << \global \part >>
>
> \layout { ragged-right = ##f }
>
> %%
>
> > 21 mars 2022 kl. 09:51 skrev Rip _Mus :
> >
> > Good morning,
> > I would need advice.
> > In a score with many time signature changes (where I therefore cannot
> use a stable global variable of tempo and time signature), there is a way
> to set a "guide" in which to set the various time signature changes,
> without " dirty "the instrumental variables?
> > Perhaps there is some suitable context for this? Or other strategies?
> >
> > Thank you very much
> >
> > Rip_mus
>
>

Re: Time signature guide

[Leo Correia de Verdier]

I’m not sure I understood your question right, but I think the usual way to do 
it would be to write the ”global” variable as a sequence of tempos, time 
signatures and other events separated by spacers or skips. 

Something like:

%%

\version "2.23.6"

global = { \time 4/4 \tempo "Allegro" 4 = 144 
   s1
   \time 3/8 \tempo "Adagio" 8 = 76 
   s4.
   \time 5/8 \tempo "" 8 = 92 
   s8*5
   \time 3/2 \tempo "Vivo" 2 = 152 
   s1.
   \bar "|."
}
   
part = { c'1 | d'4. | e'4~ 4. | a'1. }

\new Staff << \global \part >>

\layout { ragged-right = ##f }

%%

> 21 mars 2022 kl. 09:51 skrev Rip _Mus :
> 
> Good morning,
> I would need advice.
> In a score with many time signature changes (where I therefore cannot use a 
> stable global variable of tempo and time signature), there is a way to set a 
> "guide" in which to set the various time signature changes, without " dirty 
> "the instrumental variables?
> Perhaps there is some suitable context for this? Or other strategies?
> 
> Thank you very much
> 
> Rip_mus

Re: Time signature guide

[bobr...@centrum.is]

- Original Message -
> From: "Rip _Mus" 
> To: "Lillypond Users Mailing List" 
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2022 8:51:16 AM
> Subject: Time signature guide

> Good morning,
> I would need advice.
> In a score with many time signature changes (where I therefore cannot use a
> stable global variable of tempo and time signature), there is a way to set
> a "guide" in which to set the various time signature changes, without "
> dirty "the instrumental variables?
> Perhaps there is some suitable context for this? Or other strategies?
> 
> Thank you very much
> 
> Rip_mus


Sure,

I've done this sort of thing to cope with frequent time changes:

%

\version "2.22.0"

global = {
  \time 4/4
  s1
  \time 7/8
  s8*7
  \time 15/16
  s16*15
}

melody = \relative c' {
  c4 d e f
  g8 a b c b a g
  f4 e d c8.
}

\score{
  <<
{\global}
  \\ 
   {\melody}
  >>
}

%

Re: time signature and grace note

[Leo Correia de Verdier]

This is a hard-solved issue we have lived with for long time, ant probably the 
most common source of questions on this list.

While Andrew’s solution is perfect in this situation, where the time signatures 
in the second voice are redundant, it may not work everywhere. The solution 
would then be to insert spacers of the same length than the grace notes in the 
other voices, like:

\version "2.20.0"
melody = \relative c'' {
  <<
{\time 4/4 \grace c8 c4 d4 f2
 \time 2/4 \grace c8 c4 d4}
\\
{\time 4/4 \grace s8 a,4 b c2
 \time 2/4 \grace s8 a4 b}
  >>
}
\score {\melody}

This is because ”grace time” is counted backward from its regular note value, 
so in your example the time signature in voice one appears in beat 0 - 1/8 
grace, that is before the grace note, while in voice two it is at beat 0 
(without any grace timing), that is after the grace note. Inserting the spacer 
\grace s8 moves the time signature in voice two back before the grace note.

> 25 nov. 2020 kl. 09:03 skrev Andrew Bernard :
> 
> Some would say you would be better writing this:
> melody = \relative c'' {
> 
>  \new Staff <<
>{
>  \voiceOne
>  \time 4/4
>  \grace {c8} c4 d4 f2
>  \time 2/4
>  \grace {c8} c4 d4
>}
>\new Voice
>{
>  \voiceTwo
>  a,4 b c2
>  a4 b
>}
>>> 
> }
> \score {\melody}
> 

Re: time signature and grace note

[Andrew Bernard]

Some would say you would be better writing this:
melody = \relative c'' {

  \new Staff <<
{
  \voiceOne
  \time 4/4
  \grace {c8} c4 d4 f2
  \time 2/4
  \grace {c8} c4 d4
}
\new Voice
{
  \voiceTwo
  a,4 b c2
  a4 b
}
  >>
}
\score {\melody}

Re: time signature and grace note

[Andrew Bernard]

Why don't you try something like this:

melody = \relative c'' {
  <<
{
  \time 4/4
  \grace {c8} c4 d4 f2
  \time 2/4
  \grace {c8} c4 d4
}
\\
{
  a,4 b c2
  a4 b
}
  >>
}
\score {\melody}

Re: Time signature ID and implementation

[Graham King]

On musicological grounds: certainly C2.  In this period, cut-C and C2 were, in 
practice, equivalent despite the latter implying "modus cum tempore."  Please 
don't ask me about _that_, because I'm at the limit of my understanding!
References for this would include:
Apel: The Notation of Polyphonic Music 900-1600, and
DeFord: Tactus, Mensuration and Rhythm in Renaissance Music

On paleographical grounds: certainly C2.  That's what the arabic numeral "2" 
looked like!  Compare with innumerable other manuscripts of this period.
Reference: Capelli: The elements of abbreviation in medieval Latin paleography, 
translated by Heimann and Kay, at pp.19 and 29.

If you're doing a lot of transcription of renaissance music, I strongly 
recommend equipping yourself with these sources.  DeFord is available for a 
modest price as an e-book.  The others are freely available online.  Capelli is 
invaluable for figuring out the impenetrable system of abbreviations ("sigla") 
used by scribes in underlay.

HTH
-- Graham

> On 8 Oct 2020, at 05:35, Adam Griggs  wrote:
> 
> Hello again lilypond-user,
> 
> Looking for some advice.
> 
> I started with this MS:
> http://www.bl.uk/manuscripts/Viewer.aspx?ref=royal_ms_8_g_vii_fs001r
> 
> Find attached a montage of the time signatures of the four parts.
> 
> That looks like 'C2' to me. Anyone concur?

Re: Time signature ID and implementation

[Andrew Bernard]

Wow. Fantastic. Thank you! A treasure.


Andrew

On 8/10/2020 5:58 pm, Brett Duncan wrote:
It could well be a 2, looking at this: 
https://artscimedia.case.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/135/2020/04/20164113/NotationManual.pdf.

Re: Time signature ID and implementation

[Adam Griggs]

—/contratenor/

Until I find a matching font, this will do.

Thanks again!


On 8/10/20 3:24 pm, Aaron Hill wrote:

On 2020-10-07 11:07 pm, Andrew Bernard wrote:

I dont think it's a 2. Looks more like some kind of symbol. I am not a
scholar of that period.


Not a scholar either, but a quick web search turned up this [1].

[1]: 
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/A_Dictionary_of_Music_and_Musicians/Proportion


C2 seems to be "Lesser Mode Imperfect, with Imperfect Time".



I would suggest using "timesig.C44" as it stylistically matches the 
number two from Emmentaler.  Otherwise, use a two from some other font 
to match mensural C.


To match the alignment, you need to use \vcenter.  Consider:


\override Score.TimeSignature.stencil =
#(lambda (grob)
  (grob-interpret-markup grob #{
    \markup {
  \musicglyph "timesig.C44"
  \vcenter \number 2
    } #}))



-- Aaron Hill

Re: Time signature ID and implementation

[Brett Duncan]

It could well be a 2, looking at this: 
https://artscimedia.case.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/135/2020/04/20164113/NotationManual.pdf.


On 8/10/20 5:24 pm, Aaron Hill wrote:

On 2020-10-07 11:07 pm, Andrew Bernard wrote:

I dont think it's a 2. Looks more like some kind of symbol. I am not a
scholar of that period.


Not a scholar either, but a quick web search turned up this [1].

[1]: 
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/A_Dictionary_of_Music_and_Musicians/Proportion


C2 seems to be "Lesser Mode Imperfect, with Imperfect Time".



I would suggest using "timesig.C44" as it stylistically matches the 
number two from Emmentaler.  Otherwise, use a two from some other font 
to match mensural C.


To match the alignment, you need to use \vcenter.  Consider:


\override Score.TimeSignature.stencil =
#(lambda (grob)
  (grob-interpret-markup grob #{
    \markup {
  \musicglyph "timesig.C44"
  \vcenter \number 2
    } #}))



-- Aaron Hill

Re: Time signature ID and implementation

[Adam Griggs]

How is it that I didn't know about that resource?

Thanks a lot!

Side note: That image I posted earlier should of course say 
/countertenor/, not /cantus/. Ooops.



On 8/10/20 3:24 pm, Aaron Hill wrote:

On 2020-10-07 11:07 pm, Andrew Bernard wrote:

I dont think it's a 2. Looks more like some kind of symbol. I am not a
scholar of that period.


Not a scholar either, but a quick web search turned up this [1].

[1]: 
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/A_Dictionary_of_Music_and_Musicians/Proportion


C2 seems to be "Lesser Mode Imperfect, with Imperfect Time".



I would suggest using "timesig.C44" as it stylistically matches the 
number two from Emmentaler.  Otherwise, use a two from some other font 
to match mensural C.


To match the alignment, you need to use \vcenter.  Consider:


\override Score.TimeSignature.stencil =
#(lambda (grob)
  (grob-interpret-markup grob #{
    \markup {
  \musicglyph "timesig.C44"
  \vcenter \number 2
    } #}))



-- Aaron Hill

Re: Time signature ID and implementation

[Aaron Hill]

On 2020-10-07 11:07 pm, Andrew Bernard wrote:

I dont think it's a 2. Looks more like some kind of symbol. I am not a
scholar of that period.


Not a scholar either, but a quick web search turned up this [1].

[1]: 
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/A_Dictionary_of_Music_and_Musicians/Proportion


C2 seems to be "Lesser Mode Imperfect, with Imperfect Time".



I would suggest using "timesig.C44" as it stylistically matches the 
number two from Emmentaler.  Otherwise, use a two from some other font 
to match mensural C.


To match the alignment, you need to use \vcenter.  Consider:


\override Score.TimeSignature.stencil =
#(lambda (grob)
  (grob-interpret-markup grob #{
\markup {
  \musicglyph "timesig.C44"
  \vcenter \number 2
} #}))



-- Aaron Hill

Re: Time signature ID and implementation

[Andrew Bernard]

I dont think it's a 2. Looks more like some kind of symbol. I am not a
scholar of that period.

Andrew

Re: replace-stencil and overlay-stencil (was: Re: time signature 4 / \breve ?)

[Pierre Perol-Schneider]

Thank you for this Aaron!
Cheers,
Pierre

Le jeu. 17 oct. 2019 à 06:42, Aaron Hill  a
écrit :

> On 2019-10-16 7:00 pm, Graham King wrote:
> > \version "2.19.82"
> > {
> >   \once \override Staff.TimeSignature #'stencil =
> > #(lambda (grob)
> >   (grob-interpret-markup
> >grob
> >#{ \markup
> >   \override #'(baseline-skip . 1)
> >   \center-column {
> > \musicglyph "four"
> > \musicglyph "noteheads.sM1" } #}))
> >   \time 8/1
> >   c'\breve c' c' c'
> > }
>
> If you find yourself doing this type of stencil \override on a regular
> basis, you could wrap it up in a more general-purpose helper similar to
> the following:
>
> 
> \version "2.19.83"
>
> replace-stencil = #(define-music-function (grob text) (grob-list?
> markup?)
>(define (stencil grob) (grob-interpret-markup grob text))
>#{ \override $grob . stencil = $stencil #})
>
> {
>\once \replace-stencil Staff.TimeSignature
>  \markup \override #'(baseline-skip . 1)
>\center-column { \musicglyph "four" \musicglyph "noteheads.sM1" }
>\time 8/1 c'\breve c' c' c'
> }
> 
>
> Putting together the function above got me thinking about and working on
> a version that overlays \markup on an existing stencil instead of
> replacing it:
>
> 
> \version "2.19.83"
>
> overlay-stencil = #(define-music-function (grob align text)
>(grob-list? (number-pair? '(0 . 0)) markup?)
>(define stencil (grob-transformer 'stencil (lambda (grob orig)
>  (let ((x (interval-index (ly:stencil-extent orig X) (car align)))
>(y (interval-index (ly:stencil-extent orig Y) (cdr align)))
>(new (grob-interpret-markup grob text)))
>(ly:stencil-add orig (ly:stencil-translate new (cons x y)))
>#{ \override $grob . stencil = $stencil #})
>
> red-x = \markup \with-dimensions-from \null
>\vcenter \center-align \with-color #red "X"
>
> {
>\overlay-stencil Staff.Clef #'(-1 . 1) "Clef"
>b'8 c''
>\temporary \overlay-stencil NoteHead \red-x
>g' a'
>\revert NoteHead.stencil
>b'2
> }
> 
>
> Not sure how useful these would be in practice, but the resulting syntax
> might be preferable for some folks.
>
>
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Re: time signature 4 / \breve ?

[Paul Scott]

Graham,

Thank you very much for both your solutions!

Paul

On Oct 16, 2019, at 7:00 PM, Graham King  wrote:

> Another way (slightly different result):
> 
> \version "2.19.82"
> 
> { 
>  \once \override Staff.TimeSignature #'stencil =
>#(lambda (grob)
>  (grob-interpret-markup
>   grob
>   #{ \markup
>  \override #'(baseline-skip . 1) 
>  \center-column {
>\musicglyph "four"
>\musicglyph "noteheads.sM1" } #}))
>  \time 8/1
>  c'\breve c' c' c'
> }
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Re: time signature 4 / \breve ?

[Paul Scott]

On Oct 16, 2019, at 6:14 PM, Ben  wrote:

Ben,

Thank you very much!

Paul

> On 10/16/2019 8:59 PM, Paul Scott wrote:
>> Is it possible to write a time signature 4 / \breve ?
>> 
>> This occurs in Carmina Burana.
>> 
>> Thank you for any ideas,
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
> Hi Paul,
> 
> Does this help get you close to what you're looking for?
> 

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replace-stencil and overlay-stencil (was: Re: time signature 4 / \breve ?)

[Aaron Hill]

On 2019-10-16 7:00 pm, Graham King wrote:

\version "2.19.82"
{
  \once \override Staff.TimeSignature #'stencil =
#(lambda (grob)
  (grob-interpret-markup
   grob
   #{ \markup
  \override #'(baseline-skip . 1)
  \center-column {
\musicglyph "four"
\musicglyph "noteheads.sM1" } #}))
  \time 8/1
  c'\breve c' c' c'
}


If you find yourself doing this type of stencil \override on a regular 
basis, you could wrap it up in a more general-purpose helper similar to 
the following:



\version "2.19.83"

replace-stencil = #(define-music-function (grob text) (grob-list? 
markup?)

  (define (stencil grob) (grob-interpret-markup grob text))
  #{ \override $grob . stencil = $stencil #})

{
  \once \replace-stencil Staff.TimeSignature
\markup \override #'(baseline-skip . 1)
  \center-column { \musicglyph "four" \musicglyph "noteheads.sM1" }
  \time 8/1 c'\breve c' c' c'
}


Putting together the function above got me thinking about and working on 
a version that overlays \markup on an existing stencil instead of 
replacing it:



\version "2.19.83"

overlay-stencil = #(define-music-function (grob align text)
  (grob-list? (number-pair? '(0 . 0)) markup?)
  (define stencil (grob-transformer 'stencil (lambda (grob orig)
(let ((x (interval-index (ly:stencil-extent orig X) (car align)))
  (y (interval-index (ly:stencil-extent orig Y) (cdr align)))
  (new (grob-interpret-markup grob text)))
  (ly:stencil-add orig (ly:stencil-translate new (cons x y)))
  #{ \override $grob . stencil = $stencil #})

red-x = \markup \with-dimensions-from \null
  \vcenter \center-align \with-color #red "X"

{
  \overlay-stencil Staff.Clef #'(-1 . 1) "Clef"
  b'8 c''
  \temporary \overlay-stencil NoteHead \red-x
  g' a'
  \revert NoteHead.stencil
  b'2
}


Not sure how useful these would be in practice, but the resulting syntax 
might be preferable for some folks.



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Re: time signature 4 / \breve ?

[Graham King]

Another way (slightly different result):

\version "2.19.82"

{ 
  \once \override Staff.TimeSignature #'stencil =
#(lambda (grob)
  (grob-interpret-markup
   grob
   #{ \markup
  \override #'(baseline-skip . 1) 
  \center-column {
\musicglyph "four"
\musicglyph "noteheads.sM1" } #}))
  \time 8/1
  c'\breve c' c' c'
}

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Re: time signature 4 / \breve ?

[Graham King]

\version "2.19.82"

tsMarkup = \markup {
  \override #'(baseline-skip . 0.5)
  \column { \number 4 \note #"breve" #0 }
}

{
  \override Staff.TimeSignature.style = #'default
  \override Staff.TimeSignature.stencil = #(lambda (grob)
(grob-interpret-markup grob tsMarkup))

  \time 8/1
  c'\breve c' c' c'
}

HTH
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Re: time signature 4 / \breve ?

[Ben]

On 10/16/2019 8:59 PM, Paul Scott wrote:

Is it possible to write a time signature 4 / \breve ?

This occurs in Carmina Burana.

Thank you for any ideas,

Paul


Hi Paul,

Does this help get you close to what you're looking for?

(see attached)

%%%

\version "2.19.83"

#(use-modules (ice-9 regex))

my-format-procedure =
#(define-scheme-function (parser location args)(pair?)
   #{
 \markup
 \concat {
   \number $(car args)
   \raise #-0.9 \huge "/"
   \small
   \override #'(style . default)
   \note $(cdr args) #DOWN
 }
   #})

%% alternative:
%{
my-format-procedure =
#(define-scheme-function (parser location args)(pair?)
#{
\markup
\override #'(baseline-skip . 0.5)
\column {
\number $(car args)
\override #'(style . default)
\note $(cdr args) #DOWN
}
#})
%}
#(define ((format-time-sig-with-note frac trim?) grob)
   (let* ((num (if (pair? frac) (car frac) 4))
  (den (if (pair? frac) (cdr frac) 4))
  (args
   (cond ((string? den)
  (cons (number->string num)
    den))
 ((and (integer? (/ num 3))
   (integer? (/ den 2)))
  (cons (number->string (if trim? (/ num 3) num))
    (if trim?
    (string-append (number->string (/ den 2)) ".")
    (number->string den
 ((and (integer? (/ num 2))
   (integer? (/ den 2)))
  (cons (number->string (if trim? (/ num 2) num))
    (number->string (if trim? (/ den 2) den
 (else
  (cons (number->string num)
    (number->string den))
 (grob-interpret-markup grob #{ \my-format-procedure $args #})))

time =
#(define-music-function (parser location trm vals)((boolean? #t) pair?)

   ;; c/p from define-makups.scm
   (define log2
 (let ((divisor (log 2)))
   (lambda (z) (inexact->exact (/ (log z) divisor)

   ;; c/p from define-makups.scm
   (define (parse-simple-duration duration-string)
 "Parse the `duration-string', eg ''4..'' or ''breve.'',
and return a (log dots) list."
 (let ((match (regexp-exec (make-regexp 
"(breve|longa|maxima|[0-9]+)(\\.*)")

    duration-string)))
   (if (and match (string=? duration-string (match:substring match 0)))
   (let ((len (match:substring match 1))
 (dots (match:substring match 2)))
 (list (cond ((string=? len "breve") -1)
 ((string=? len "longa") -2)
 ((string=? len "maxima") -3)
 (else (log2 (string->number len
   (if dots (string-length dots) 0)))
   (ly:error (_ "not a valid duration string: ~a") 
duration-string


   (let* ((den (cdr vals))
  (num (car vals)))
 (if (string? den)
 (let* ((parsed (parse-simple-duration den)))
   ;; TODO lazy bump ...
   (cond ((and (= -1 (car parsed)) (zero? (cadr parsed)))
  (set! den 1)
  (set! num (* 2 num)))
 ((and (= -1 (car parsed)) (= 1 (cadr parsed)))
  (set! den 1)
  (set! num (* 3 num)))
 ((and (= -2 (car parsed)) (zero? (cadr parsed)))
  (set! den 1)
  (set! num (* 4 num)))
 ((and (= -2 (car parsed)) (= 1 (cadr parsed)))
  (set! den 1)
  (set! num (* 6 num)))
 (else (ly:error "not smart enough to handle ~a" den)

 #{
   \temporary \override Staff.TimeSignature.stencil =
   #(format-time-sig-with-note vals trm)
   $(make-music
 'TimeSignatureMusic
 'beat-structure '()
 'denominator den
 'numerator num)
 #}))

\relative c' {

  \override Staff.TimeSignature.Y-offset = 5

  \time 9/4
  \repeat unfold 9 c4

  \time 3/4
  \repeat unfold 3 c4

  \time ##f 3/4
  \repeat unfold 3 c4

  \time 7/4
  \repeat unfold 7 c4

  \time 12/2
  \repeat unfold 4 c1.

  \time #'(3 . "breve.")
  \repeat unfold 3 c\breve.


  \time #'(3 . "longa")
  \repeat unfold 3 c\longa

  \time #'(4 . "longa.")
  \repeat unfold 4 c\longa.

  \time #(cons 4 "breve")
  \clef bass
  f\breve-> c-> d-> c->

  \bar"|."
}

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Re: Time signature change in first alternative causes different behavior depending on number of staves

[Palmer Ralph]

On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 3:12 PM Jörn Eichler  wrote:
>
> Hi to everybody,
>
> this is my first post to this list. I experienced a problem in v2.19.83
> when I tried to produce orchestral parts from a score. Since I couldn't
> find it on the issue tracker, I hope it's OK to post here:
>
> \score {
><<
>\new Staff {\relative c {\repeat volta 2 {\time 2/4 R2 |}
> \alternative {{\time 3/4  R2. |} {r4 r r |
>\new Staff {\relative c {\repeat volta 2 {\time 2/4 R2 |}
> \alternative {{\time 3/4  R2. |} {r4 r r |
>>> }
>
> Both staves are the same and the time signature change in the first
> alternative (to 3/4) is kept for the second alternative (the bar with 3
> quarter rests).
>
> However, if you comment out one of the staves, v2.19.83 gives an error
> and silently continues with 2/4 in the second alternative (which gives
> one bar with 2 quarter rests and another bar with one rest), while
> v2.18.2 still keeps the change to 3/4. So v2.19.83 behaves differently
> when there's only one staff.
>

I believe this should have gone to the user list as well so I'm
forwarding it there.

I see two issues here. The first is the inconsistent behavior. It
looks to me like the default behavior for a single was intentionally
changed for v2.19.83. However, the default behavior for multiple
staves remains unchanged.

The second issue is which behavior is "correct" and/or should be the
default. In my opinion, the default behavior for multiple staves
should have been changed as well, and the new time signature should be
announced in the second alternative as well as the first.

All the best,

Ralph


Ralph Palmer
palmer.r.vio...@gmail.com
Brattleboro, VT 05301
U.S.A.

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Re: Time signature and beat markers

[Mark Knoop]

At 21:16 on 06 Nov 2018, Andrew Bernard wrote:
>Answering my own question, this simple approach works:
>
>  \time 5/4
>  \set Timing.measureLength = #(ly:make-moment 1/4)
>
>I'm happy to make the thincker barlines manually, unless anybody has
>some clever special engraver ideas.

Try something like this:

\version "2.19.21"

barSigs = #(define-music-function
  (numbars timesig)
  (number? fraction?)
  (_i "make empty bars")
  (let* ((tsnumerator (car timesig))
 (tsdenominator (cdr timesig))
 (dotbeats (- tsnumerator 1)))
#{
\time #timesig
\repeat unfold #numbars {
  \repeat unfold #dotbeats { s4 \bar "|" }
  s4 \bar "."
}
#}))

{
  <<
{ % this is your global variable
  \barSigs 3 5/4 % 3 bars of 5/4
  \barSigs 1 3/4 % 1 bar of 3/4
}
{ % this is your music
  \repeat unfold 18 c'4
}
  >>
}

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Re: Time signature and beat markers

[Karim Haddad]

Dear Andrew,


I would do this like that :


\version "2.19.82"  
  

  
music = {   
  
  \scaleDurations 5/1 { 
  
  \time 5/4 
  
  \set Staff.timeSignatureFraction = #'(5 . 4)  
  
c'4 c'16 c' c' c' c'4 c' c' 
  
  \once \set Staff.whichBar = "|"   
  
  c'4 c'8 c' c'4 c' c'  
  
  \once \set Staff.whichBar = "|"   
  
}   
  
}   
  

  
\score {
  
  \new Staff \music 
  
  \layout { 
  
\context{\Score 
  
   defaultBarType = #"" 
  
 }  
  
}   
  
} 


However, this could yield some strange warnings specially if u use non standard 
time signatures like 12/21, etc... But it works perfectly well. I have been 
using this for my polymeter/polytempi scores...

Best
K

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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2018 20:10:52 +1100
> From: Andrew Bernard 
> To: lilypond-user Mailinglist 
> Subject: Re: Time signature and beat markers
> Message-ID:
>   
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Here is my MWE. It seems rather naive, and I feel there must be more
> intelligent ways to do this. Here's a basis for help to start with,
> hopefully making clearer what I want.
> 
> The disadvantage here of course is that the heavier barlines have to be
> manually inserted. Not a large effort, but just does not seem smooth.
> 
> %
> 
> \version "2.19.82"
> 
> music = {
>   \time 5/4
>   \scaleDurations 5/1 {
>   c'4 c'16 c' c' c' c'4 c' c'
>   \bar "."
>   c'4 c'8 c' c'4 c' c'
>   \bar "."
>   }
> }
> 
> \score {
>   \new Staff \music
>   \layout {}
> }
> 
> %
> 
> Andrew
> 
> 
-- 
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webpage : http://karim.haddad.free.fr

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Re: Time signature and beat markers

[Andrew Bernard]

Answering my own question, this simple approach works:

  \time 5/4
  \set Timing.measureLength = #(ly:make-moment 1/4)

I'm happy to make the thincker barlines manually, unless anybody has some
clever special engraver ideas.

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Re: Time signature and beat markers

[Andrew Bernard]

Here is my MWE. It seems rather naive, and I feel there must be more
intelligent ways to do this. Here's a basis for help to start with,
hopefully making clearer what I want.

The disadvantage here of course is that the heavier barlines have to be
manually inserted. Not a large effort, but just does not seem smooth.

%

\version "2.19.82"

music = {
  \time 5/4
  \scaleDurations 5/1 {
  c'4 c'16 c' c' c' c'4 c' c'
  \bar "."
  c'4 c'8 c' c'4 c' c'
  \bar "."
  }
}

\score {
  \new Staff \music
  \layout {}
}

%

Andrew



On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 at 13:44, Andrew Bernard 
wrote:

> My complexity school composer colleague uses what he calls beat markers
> instead of barlines to assist players locating where they are in the
> complex mass of notes. So for example, we have a section of 5/4. but there
> is a barline (actually, we use the old mensural type line system) every
> beat, so I set the music in 1/4. Previously, we have omitted the actual
> time signature for various reaons, but now I want it displayed.
>
> So how can I show 5/4 but have the music be in 1/4 for creating the 'beat
> lines' (just think of them as barlines). And so on for a whole lot of other
> time signatures.
>
> Attached image may make this clearer.
>
> While we are here, how could I get the time signature between the systems,
> as in this manuscript copy?
>
> Andrew
>
>
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Re: time signature is printed after first bar line

[Malte Meyn]

Am 20.09.2016 um 17:28 schrieb Roderick Mackenzie:

I am still trying to print bagpipe tunes with Lilypond, with a repeat
bar at the start of each part. I am almost there; my only problem now
is that the time signature is printed after the first bar line (the
repeat bar line).

How do I get the time signature to print before the first bar line?


Just use a newer version of LilyPond ;)

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Re: Time signature before end of volta repeat

[Thomas Morley]

2016-06-26 22:01 GMT+02:00 David Kastrup :
> Thomas Morley  writes:
>
>> 2016-06-26 19:58 GMT+02:00 Imanuel Habekotte :
>>>
>>> Thanks for trying to help Federico. Does anyone else know a solution
>>> to the problem below?
>>
>>
>> LilyPond interprets the input successively, repeats are disregarded.
>>
>> So your problem can be reduced to:
>> { \time 3/4 R2. \time 4/4 \time 3/4 R2. }
>> where you want to print two TimeSignatures at the same musical moment.
>> LilyPond will _never_ do this.
>> Honestly, I've never seen this before.
>
> To be fair, it isn't the "same musical moment" at all unless your name
> is LilyPond.
>
>> Anyway, to get it printed as you like you'll have to work around.
>> Here I choosed to hack BreathingSign.
>> Ofcourse it's pure graphical and you have to repeat it in any Staff:
>
> Well, I tend to cheat with the "same musical moment" rather than the
> graphics.  In this case, I'd likely use something like
>
>
>
> The spacing is not perfect but not all that bad.

Yep, \grace { ... } was my first thought as well.
Though, I refrained from it, because of the spacing issue.

> --
> David Kastrup
>

Cheers,
  Harm

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Re: Time signature before end of volta repeat

[David Kastrup]

Thomas Morley  writes:

> 2016-06-26 19:58 GMT+02:00 Imanuel Habekotte :
>>
>> Thanks for trying to help Federico. Does anyone else know a solution
>> to the problem below?
>
>
> LilyPond interprets the input successively, repeats are disregarded.
>
> So your problem can be reduced to:
> { \time 3/4 R2. \time 4/4 \time 3/4 R2. }
> where you want to print two TimeSignatures at the same musical moment.
> LilyPond will _never_ do this.
> Honestly, I've never seen this before.

To be fair, it isn't the "same musical moment" at all unless your name
is LilyPond.

> Anyway, to get it printed as you like you'll have to work around.
> Here I choosed to hack BreathingSign.
> Ofcourse it's pure graphical and you have to repeat it in any Staff:

Well, I tend to cheat with the "same musical moment" rather than the
graphics.  In this case, I'd likely use something like

\new Score \with { \numericTimeSignature }
\repeat volta 2 { c1 }
\alternative { { \time 3/4 c2. \grace { \bar "" \time 4/4 s128 } }
   { \time 3/4 c2. } }

The spacing is not perfect but not all that bad.

-- 
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Re: Re: Time signature before end of volta repeat

[Thomas Morley]

2016-06-26 21:30 GMT+02:00 Thomas Morley :
> 2016-06-26 21:27 GMT+02:00 Thomas Morley :
>> 2016-06-26 19:58 GMT+02:00 Imanuel Habekotte :
>>>
>>> Thanks for trying to help Federico. Does anyone else know a solution to the 
>>> problem below?
>>
>>
>> LilyPond interprets the input successively, repeats are disregarded.
>>
>> So your problem can be reduced to:
>> { \time 3/4 R2. \time 4/4 \time 3/4 R2. }
>> where you want to print two TimeSignatures at the same musical moment.
>> LilyPond will _never_ do this.
>> Honestly, I've never seen this before.
>>
>> Anyway, to get it printed as you like you'll have to work around.
>> Here I choosed to hack BreathingSign.
>> Ofcourse it's pure graphical and you have to repeat it in any Staff:
>>
>>
>> \version "2.19.44"
>>
>> insertTime =
>> #(define-music-function (fraction)(fraction?)
>> #{
>
> %% better to add:
> \once
>>   \override BreathingSign.stencil =
>> #(lambda (grob)
>>   (ly:grob-set-property! grob 'fraction fraction)

%% If wanted/needed add:
(ly:grob-set-property! grob 'style 'numbered)
>>   (ly:grob-set-property! grob 'Y-offset '())
>>   (ly:grob-set-nested-property! grob
>> '(space-alist staff-bar) '(extra-space . 1.0))
>>   (ly:time-signature::print grob))
>>   \breathe
>> #})
>>
>> { \time 3/4 R2. \insertTime 4/4 \time 3/4 R2. }
>>
>> HTH,
>>   Harm

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Re: Re: Time signature before end of volta repeat

[Thomas Morley]

2016-06-26 21:27 GMT+02:00 Thomas Morley :
> 2016-06-26 19:58 GMT+02:00 Imanuel Habekotte :
>>
>> Thanks for trying to help Federico. Does anyone else know a solution to the 
>> problem below?
>
>
> LilyPond interprets the input successively, repeats are disregarded.
>
> So your problem can be reduced to:
> { \time 3/4 R2. \time 4/4 \time 3/4 R2. }
> where you want to print two TimeSignatures at the same musical moment.
> LilyPond will _never_ do this.
> Honestly, I've never seen this before.
>
> Anyway, to get it printed as you like you'll have to work around.
> Here I choosed to hack BreathingSign.
> Ofcourse it's pure graphical and you have to repeat it in any Staff:
>
>
> \version "2.19.44"
>
> insertTime =
> #(define-music-function (fraction)(fraction?)
> #{

%% better to add:
\once
>   \override BreathingSign.stencil =
> #(lambda (grob)
>   (ly:grob-set-property! grob 'fraction fraction)
>   (ly:grob-set-property! grob 'Y-offset '())
>   (ly:grob-set-nested-property! grob
> '(space-alist staff-bar) '(extra-space . 1.0))
>   (ly:time-signature::print grob))
>   \breathe
> #})
>
> { \time 3/4 R2. \insertTime 4/4 \time 3/4 R2. }
>
> HTH,
>   Harm

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Re: Re: Time signature before end of volta repeat

[Thomas Morley]

2016-06-26 19:58 GMT+02:00 Imanuel Habekotte :
>
> Thanks for trying to help Federico. Does anyone else know a solution to the 
> problem below?


LilyPond interprets the input successively, repeats are disregarded.

So your problem can be reduced to:
{ \time 3/4 R2. \time 4/4 \time 3/4 R2. }
where you want to print two TimeSignatures at the same musical moment.
LilyPond will _never_ do this.
Honestly, I've never seen this before.

Anyway, to get it printed as you like you'll have to work around.
Here I choosed to hack BreathingSign.
Ofcourse it's pure graphical and you have to repeat it in any Staff:


\version "2.19.44"

insertTime =
#(define-music-function (fraction)(fraction?)
#{
  \override BreathingSign.stencil =
#(lambda (grob)
  (ly:grob-set-property! grob 'fraction fraction)
  (ly:grob-set-property! grob 'Y-offset '())
  (ly:grob-set-nested-property! grob
'(space-alist staff-bar) '(extra-space . 1.0))
  (ly:time-signature::print grob))
  \breathe
#})

{ \time 3/4 R2. \insertTime 4/4 \time 3/4 R2. }

HTH,
  Harm

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Fwd: Re: Time signature before end of volta repeat

[Imanuel Habekotte]

Thanks for trying to help Federico. Does anyone else know a solution to 
the problem below?




 Forwarded message 
Subject:Re: Time signature before end of volta repeat
Date:   Sun, 26 Jun 2016 18:13:24 +0200
From:   Imanuel Habekotte 
To: Federico Bruni 



Hello Federico,

I meant like inside the 1st alternative ending of the repeat. There is a 
3/4 at the beginning and a 4/4 at the end. Do you see it?


When I try to do this in LilyPond:

\alternative {
  { \time 3/4 f8 f( aes16 bes des8~des) des \time 4/4 }
  { _*\time 3/4*_ f,8 f( aes16 bes des8~des) \mark \markup { 
\musicglyph #"scripts.coda" } }

}

... then I don't see the 4/4 time signature at all, but if I delete the 
marked signature (the second \time 3/4), it does show up, though in the 
wrong place (it appears after the bar instead of before it).


Kind regards,
Imanuel

Op 26-6-2016 om 10:14 schreef Federico Bruni:
Il giorno dom 26 giu 2016 alle 9:56, Imanuel Habekotté 
 ha scritto:
I would like to have a time signature printed before the end bar of a 
volta repeat. Here is an example of what I would like to have: 
https://html1-f.scribdassets.com/60ssbtzf5s2k8f21/images/2-88fc29efc8.jpg


Instead I get a time signature printed after the repeat.


Hi Imanuel

Welcome to LilyPond.
LilyPond should print the new time signature before and after a line 
break, just like in the example you linked.

Here's a minimal example:

\version "2.19.43"
{
 \time 2/4
 \repeat volta 2 {
   c2 c c c \break
 }
 \alternative {
   { \time 3/4 d2. }
   { e2. }
 }
}

Can you provide a minimal example showing what's the problem?
http://lilypond.org/tiny-examples.html



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Re: Time signature before end of volta repeat

[Federico Bruni]

Hello Immanuel

Please reply to all, including the mailing list.
I've understand your problem now, but I don't have a solution for you. 
Probably someone here is able to help you.



Il giorno dom 26 giu 2016 alle 18:13, Imanuel Habekotte 
 ha scritto:

Hello Federico,

I meant like inside the 1st alternative ending of the repeat. There 
is a 3/4 at the beginning and a 4/4 at the end. Do you see it?


When I try to do this in LilyPond:

\alternative {
  { \time 3/4 f8 f( aes16 bes des8~des) des \time 4/4 }
  { \time 3/4 f,8 f( aes16 bes des8~des) \mark \markup { 
\musicglyph #"scripts.coda" } }

}

... then I don't see the 4/4 time signature at all, but if I delete 
the marked signature (the second \time 3/4), it does show up, though 
in the wrong place (it appears after the bar instead of before it).


Kind regards,
Imanuel

Op 26-6-2016 om 10:14 schreef Federico Bruni:
Il giorno dom 26 giu 2016 alle 9:56, Imanuel Habekotté 
 ha scritto:
I would like to have a time signature printed before the end bar of 
a volta repeat. Here is an example of what I would like to have: 
https://html1-f.scribdassets.com/60ssbtzf5s2k8f21/images/2-88fc29efc8.jpg


Instead I get a time signature printed after the repeat.


Hi Imanuel

Welcome to LilyPond.
LilyPond should print the new time signature before and after a line 
break, just like in the example you linked.

Here's a minimal example:

\version "2.19.43"
{
 \time 2/4
 \repeat volta 2 {
   c2 c c c \break
 }
 \alternative {
   { \time 3/4 d2. }
   { e2. }
 }
}

Can you provide a minimal example showing what's the problem?
http://lilypond.org/tiny-examples.html






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Re: Time signature before end of volta repeat

[Federico Bruni]

Il giorno dom 26 giu 2016 alle 9:56, Imanuel Habekotté 
 ha scritto:
I would like to have a time signature printed before the end bar of a 
volta repeat. Here is an example of what I would like to have: 
https://html1-f.scribdassets.com/60ssbtzf5s2k8f21/images/2-88fc29efc8.jpg


Instead I get a time signature printed after the repeat.


Hi Imanuel

Welcome to LilyPond.
LilyPond should print the new time signature before and after a line 
break, just like in the example you linked.

Here's a minimal example:

\version "2.19.43"
{
 \time 2/4
 \repeat volta 2 {
   c2 c c c \break
 }
 \alternative {
   { \time 3/4 d2. }
   { e2. }
 }
}

Can you provide a minimal example showing what's the problem?
http://lilypond.org/tiny-examples.html


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Re: Time signature at end of score.

[Richard Shann]

On Wed, 2016-05-25 at 09:44 +, Charles Suncana wrote:
> OK thanks, I´ll do that in future. Weird that it still seems to work.

Well, by chance, you had got nothing in \global that couldn't appear
after the music, else LilyPond would have errored.
I hope you can get to grips with LilyPond syntax, if not try Denemo
which generates the syntax for you. You get the same beautiful score,
but with the caveat that if you want to create advanced notational
features then you will be back to learning LilyPond syntax.

Richard

>  Also I have to say Lilypond has a wonderful sense of community. Best
> -charles- 
> 
>  
> > Subject: Re: Time signature at end of score.
> > From: rich...@rshann.plus.com
> > To: sunc...@hotmail.com
> > CC: lilypond-user@gnu.org
> > Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 09:44:18 +0100
> > 
> > On Wed, 2016-05-25 at 08:30 +, Charles Suncana wrote:
> > > global = {
> > > 
> > > }
> > > 
> > > violin = \relative c'' { \time 3/4 d4 e f | g f e | d2.\bar "|."
> > > \global
> > > % Music follows here.
> > > 
> > > }
> > 
> > This isn't the idea - you have emptied the \global and still not
> placed
> > the music after the comment "% Music follows here"
> > Instead keep the global = bit and put the music after that comment:
> > 
> > violin = \relative c'' {
> > \global
> > % Music follows here.
> > d4 e f | g f e | d2.\bar "|."
> > }
> > 
> > Perhaps it should have said
> > 
> > % Put your music after this comment
> > 
> > then it might have been clear.
> > 
> > Richard
> > 
> > 
> 



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Re: Time signature at end of score.

[Richard Shann]

On Wed, 2016-05-25 at 08:30 +, Charles Suncana wrote:
> global = {
>   
> }
> 
> violin = \relative c'' { \time 3/4 d4 e f | g f e | d2.\bar "|."
>   \global
>   % Music follows here.
>   
> }

This isn't the idea - you have emptied the \global and still not placed
the music after the comment "% Music follows here"
Instead keep the global = bit and put the music after that comment:

violin = \relative c'' {
   \global
   % Music follows here.
   d4 e f | g f e | d2.\bar "|."
}

Perhaps it should have said

% Put your music after this comment

then it might have been clear.

Richard



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Re: Time signature at end of score.

[J Martin Rushton]

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I'm also a beginner at Lily, but as a programmer I'm quite certain you
have found the problem.  Consider the violin stanza:

violin = ... { \time 3/4 ...
  \global
  ...
}

"global" has no special meaning, it is just expanded in line, hence:

violin = ... { \time 3/4 ...
  ...
  \time 3/4
}

so the piece starts with a time signature and ends with one through
the expansion of the global stanza.

Score wizard on my machine produces:

\version "2.18.2"
\language "english"

\header {
  title = "Test"
}

global = {
  \key c \major
  \time 4/4
}

violin = \relative c'' {
  \global
  % Music follows here.

}

\score {
  \new Staff \with {
instrumentName = "Violin"
midiInstrument = "violin"
  } \violin
  \layout { }
  \midi {
\tempo 4=100
  }
}

Note that there is no \time in the violin section, and that notes
should go _after_ the \global invocation.

HTH, Martin

On 25/05/16 09:30, Charles Suncana wrote:
> Hi again, after persevering a bit I think the problem as using the 
> Score wizard in Frescobaldi.
> 
> Here is my tiny problem:
> 
> \version "2.18.2"
> 
> \header {
> 
> }
> 
> \layout { \context { \Voice \consists "Melody_engraver" \override 
> Stem #'neutral-direction = #'() } }
> 
> global = { \key d \major \numericTimeSignature \time 3/4 }
> 
> violin = \relative c'' { \time 3/4 d4 e f | g f e | d2.\bar "|." 
> \global % Music follows here.
> 
> }
> 
> \score { \new Staff \with { instrumentName = "Violin" 
> shortInstrumentName = "Vl." midiInstrument = "violin" } \violin 
> \layout { } \midi { \tempo 4=100 } }
> 
> and here is my tiny solution
> 
> \version "2.18.2"
> 
> \header {
> 
> }
> 
> \layout { \context { \Voice \consists "Melody_engraver" \override 
> Stem #'neutral-direction = #'() } }
> 
> global = {
> 
> }
> 
> violin = \relative c'' { \time 3/4 d4 e f | g f e | d2.\bar "|." 
> \global % Music follows here.
> 
> }
> 
> \score { \new Staff \with { instrumentName = "Violin" 
> shortInstrumentName = "Vl." midiInstrument = "violin" } \violin 
> \layout { } \midi { \tempo 4=100 } }
> 
> By deleting the time and key signature in the global block I was 
> able to get rid of the info after the last bar. Thanks for the 
> prompt help and encouragement. Best -charles-
> 
> --
- --
>
>
> 
From: sunc...@hotmail.com
> To: lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: Time signature at end of score.
>  Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 22:47:48 +
> 
> Hi, I´m a newbie to Lilypond and am using Frescobaldi to help me 
> use it. At the end of each engraving Frescobaldi puts a courtesy 
> time signature for the next expected bar. However when the piece
> is finished AND converted to PDF, the courtesy time signature is
> still there at the end of the score. Does anyone know how to remove
> it? -charlesross-
> 
> 
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RE: Time signature at end of score.

[Charles Suncana]

Hi again, after persevering a bit I think the problem as using the Score wizard 
in Frescobaldi.

Here is my tiny problem:

\version "2.18.2"

\header {

}

\layout {
  \context {
\Voice
\consists "Melody_engraver"
\override Stem #'neutral-direction = #'()
  }
}

global = {
  \key d \major
  \numericTimeSignature
  \time 3/4
}

violin = \relative c'' { \time 3/4 d4 e f | g f e | d2.\bar "|."
  \global
  % Music follows here.
  
}

\score {
  \new Staff \with {
instrumentName = "Violin"
shortInstrumentName = "Vl."
midiInstrument = "violin"
  } \violin
  \layout { }
  \midi {
\tempo 4=100
  }
}

and here is my tiny solution

\version "2.18.2"

\header {

}

\layout {
  \context {
\Voice
\consists "Melody_engraver"
\override Stem #'neutral-direction = #'()
  }
}

global = {
  
}

violin = \relative c'' { \time 3/4 d4 e f | g f e | d2.\bar "|."
  \global
  % Music follows here.
  
}

\score {
  \new Staff \with {
instrumentName = "Violin"
shortInstrumentName = "Vl."
midiInstrument = "violin"
  } \violin
  \layout { }
  \midi {
\tempo 4=100
  }
}
By deleting the time and key signature in the global block I was able to get 
rid of the info after the last bar.
Thanks for the prompt help and encouragement. Best -charles-

From: sunc...@hotmail.com
To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Time signature at end of score.
Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 22:47:48 +




Hi, I´m a newbie to Lilypond and am using Frescobaldi to help me use it. At the 
end of each engraving Frescobaldi puts a courtesy time signature for the next 
expected bar. However when the piece is finished AND converted to PDF, the 
courtesy time signature is still there at the end of the score. Does anyone 
know how to remove it? -charlesross-
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Re: Time signature at end of score.

[Malte Meyn]

Am 24.05.2016 um 00:47 schrieb Charles Suncana:

Hi, I´m a newbie to Lilypond and am using Frescobaldi to help me use it. At the 
end of each engraving Frescobaldi puts a courtesy time signature for the next 
expected bar. However when the piece is finished AND converted to PDF, the 
courtesy time signature is still there at the end of the score. Does anyone 
know how to remove it? -charlesross-   


I’m not sure what you’re talking about: Frescobaldi doesn’t add things 
to the LilyPond code you see. And LilyPond does what you tell it to do. 
So a time signature is only present where you put a \time command.


The following code adds a “C” time signature to the end but only because 
it tells LilyPond to do so:


\version "2.18.2"
{
  b1
  \time 4/4
}

Are you sure you mean “time signature” and not f. e. “bar line”? If so, 
why don’t you want the bar line?


If this doesn’t help please show your code that produces the problem you 
describe (preferrably a tiny example: 
http://lilypond.org/tiny-examples.html).


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Re: Time signature at end of score.

[Urs Liska]

Hi Charles,

welcome to the world of LilyPond. Hopefully you'll get a good start and
stick to it :-)


Am 24.05.2016 um 00:47 schrieb Charles Suncana:
> Hi, I´m a newbie to Lilypond and am using Frescobaldi to help me use
> it. At the end of each engraving Frescobaldi puts a courtesy time
> signature for the next expected bar. However when the piece is
> finished AND converted to PDF, the courtesy time signature is still
> there at the end of the score. Does anyone know how to remove it?
> -charlesross-

I'm sorry but this description doesn't seem to make much sense to me. In
order to get assistance (which you will most likely get from this list)
you should provide us with
- a minimal working code example
- maybe an image of the result (attached, not inline)
- a description what on that page isn't correct in your opinion

This will give us the chance to see what is going wrong.

Best wishes
Urs
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Re: Time signature at end of score.

[tisimst]

Hi, Charles!

On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 5:08 PM, Charles Suncana [via Lilypond] <
ml-node+s1069038n190902...@n5.nabble.com> wrote:

> Hi, I´m a newbie to Lilypond and am using Frescobaldi to help me use it.
> At the end of each engraving Frescobaldi puts a courtesy time signature for
> the next expected bar. However when the piece is finished AND converted to
> PDF, the courtesy time signature is still there at the end of the score.
> Does anyone know how to remove it? -charlesross-
>

Welcome to the group!

I'm pretty sure it isn't Frescobaldi that's doing it, but either way, if
you could attach (either inline or as a separate file) a minimal working
code sample that shows this problem, we'd be happy to help.

Best,
Abraham

P.S. Trimming your code down to a "minimal working sample" may help you
find the answer without our help, FYI.




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Re: time signature with "DOTTED" note in the denominator

[sunzunki]

Hi, Pierre

Thanks so much, it works!!
As I want to use only time signature with dotted note in denominator on the
Libreoffice,
put some comment out, the following pic is what I want.

 

Sunzunki



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Re: time signature with "DOTTED" note in the denominator

[Pierre Perol-Schneider]

Hi Sunzunki,

There's also another snippet that could be helpful:
http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=554
So, how about:

\version "2.18.2"
% \version "2.19.30"

\relative {
  \override Staff.TimeSignature.stencil = #(lambda (grob)
(grob-interpret-markup grob #{
  \markup\override #'(baseline-skip . 0.5) {
  \column { \number 2 \tiny\note #"4." #-1 }
  \vcenter "="
  \column { \number 6 \tiny\note #"8" #-1 }
  \vcenter "="
  \column\number { 6 8 }
}
  #}))
  \time 6/8
  \key d\minor
  d''8 a bes
}

Cheers,
Pierre

2015-10-29 10:18 GMT+01:00 Jacques Menu :

> Hello Sunzunki,
>
> From someone’s contribution on this list:
>
>
>
> \version "2.19.15"
>
> #(define-public (format-time-sig-note grob)
>(let* ((frac (ly:grob-property grob 'fraction))
>   (num (if (pair? frac) (car frac) 4))
>   (den (if (pair? frac) (cdr frac) 4))
>   (m (markup #:override '(baseline-skip . 0.5)
>#:center-column (#:number (number->string num)
>  #:override '(style . default)
>  #:note (number->string den)
>  DOWN
>  (grob-interpret-markup grob m)))
>
> %%%
>
> \relative c' {
>   \override Staff.Flag.stencil = #modern-straight-flag
>   \override Staff.TimeSignature.stencil = #format-time-sig-note
>   \time 3/8
>   \autoBeamOff
>   c8 c8 c8
> }
>
>
> #(define-public (format-time-sig-note grob)
>(let* ((frac (ly:grob-property grob 'fraction))
>   (num (if (pair? frac) (car frac) 4))
>   (den (if (pair? frac) (cdr frac) 4))
>   (m
>(markup #:override '(baseline-skip . 0.5)
>  #:center-column (#:number (number->string num)
>#:override '(style . default)
>;; here comes the flag:
>#:override '(flag-style .
> modern-straight-flag)
>#:note (number->string den)
>DOWN
>  (grob-interpret-markup grob m)))
>
> %%%
>
> \relative c' {
>   \override Staff.Flag.stencil = #modern-straight-flag
>   \override Staff.TimeSignature.stencil = #format-time-sig-note
>   \time 3/8
>   \autoBeamOff
>   c8 c8 c8
> }
>
>
> > Le 29 oct. 2015 à 04:20, sunzunki  a écrit :
> >
> > Hello LilyPonders,
> >
> > I'm making music text for school with Lilypond and Libreoffice
> (OOoLilipond)
> >
> > could you any solution about time signature?
> > I want to change the denominator of time signature, number to note.
> > I saw below page and it was worked.
> >
> >
> http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Time-signature-style-with-note-in-the-denominator-td172947.html#a172955
> >
> > Now, I want to put dotted note as denominator.
> > for example, the explain about compound time,
> > there are 2 dotted crotchets in a bar
> > = 2/dotted crotchet note  <--
> > = 6 quavers
> > = 6/quaver note  <-- solved through above address
> > =6/8
> >
> > Is any solution?
> > I want to these lines like as math formula. A = B = C and so on.
> >
> > sunzunki
> >
> >
> >
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Re: time signature with "DOTTED" note in the denominator

[Jacques Menu]

Hello Sunzunki,

From someone’s contribution on this list:



\version "2.19.15"

#(define-public (format-time-sig-note grob)
   (let* ((frac (ly:grob-property grob 'fraction))
  (num (if (pair? frac) (car frac) 4))
  (den (if (pair? frac) (cdr frac) 4))
  (m (markup #:override '(baseline-skip . 0.5)
   #:center-column (#:number (number->string num)
 #:override '(style . default)
 #:note (number->string den)
 DOWN
 (grob-interpret-markup grob m)))

%%%

\relative c' {
  \override Staff.Flag.stencil = #modern-straight-flag
  \override Staff.TimeSignature.stencil = #format-time-sig-note
  \time 3/8
  \autoBeamOff
  c8 c8 c8
}


#(define-public (format-time-sig-note grob)
   (let* ((frac (ly:grob-property grob 'fraction))
  (num (if (pair? frac) (car frac) 4))
  (den (if (pair? frac) (cdr frac) 4))
  (m
   (markup #:override '(baseline-skip . 0.5)
 #:center-column (#:number (number->string num)
   #:override '(style . default)
   ;; here comes the flag:
   #:override '(flag-style . modern-straight-flag)
   #:note (number->string den)
   DOWN
 (grob-interpret-markup grob m)))

%%%

\relative c' {
  \override Staff.Flag.stencil = #modern-straight-flag
  \override Staff.TimeSignature.stencil = #format-time-sig-note
  \time 3/8
  \autoBeamOff
  c8 c8 c8
}


> Le 29 oct. 2015 à 04:20, sunzunki  a écrit :
> 
> Hello LilyPonders, 
> 
> I'm making music text for school with Lilypond and Libreoffice (OOoLilipond)
> 
> could you any solution about time signature?
> I want to change the denominator of time signature, number to note.
> I saw below page and it was worked.
> 
> http://lilypond.1069038.n5.nabble.com/Time-signature-style-with-note-in-the-denominator-td172947.html#a172955
> 
> Now, I want to put dotted note as denominator.
> for example, the explain about compound time,
> there are 2 dotted crotchets in a bar 
> = 2/dotted crotchet note  <--
> = 6 quavers
> = 6/quaver note  <-- solved through above address
> =6/8
> 
> Is any solution?
> I want to these lines like as math formula. A = B = C and so on.
> 
> sunzunki
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Time signature denominator as a note rather than number?

[Malte Meyn]

Am 16.09.2015 um 11:07 schrieb Malte Meyn:

Am 16.09.2015 um 05:02 schrieb Kieren MacMillan:

Have a look at this LSR snippet: http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=642


(let* ((frac (ly:grob-property grob 'fraction))
   (num (if (pair? frac) (car frac) 4))
   (den (if (pair? frac) (cdr frac) 4))


I copied these lines from the snippet but I don’t know any case where 
defaulting to 4/4 would be necessary; 'fraction exists even if there is 
no explicite time signature. (So

;;
  (num (car frac))
  (den (cdr frac))
;;
should suffice.)


#:override '(style . default)


I also have no idea what this is and why it should be necessary …

Probably important is the used lilypond version; I use 2.19.27.

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Re: Time signature denominator as a note rather than number?

[Malte Meyn]

Am 16.09.2015 um 05:02 schrieb Kieren MacMillan:

Have a look at this LSR snippet: http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=642


Yes! That one suffices — and is more elegant — if you don’t need “strange note 
values” (like dotted notes) in your denominator(s).

And if you do, you can change the function to make f. e. “2/4.” instead 
of 6/8 like this:




\version "2.19.27"

#(define-public (format-time-sig-note grob)
   (let* ((frac (ly:grob-property grob 'fraction))
  (num (if (pair? frac) (car frac) 4))
  (den (if (pair? frac) (cdr frac) 4))
  (m
   (if (and (< 3 num) (= 0 (modulo num 3)))
   (markup #:override '(baseline-skip . 0.5)
 #:center-column
 (#:concat (#:number (number->string (/ num 3)) 
#:hspace 0.8)

   #:override '(style . default)
   #:note (string-append (number->string (/ den 2)) 
".") DOWN))

   (markup #:override '(baseline-skip . 0.5)
 #:center-column
 (#:number (number->string num)
   #:override '(style . default)
   #:note (number->string den) DOWN)
 (grob-interpret-markup grob m)))

\relative c' {
  \override Staff.TimeSignature.stencil = #format-time-sig-note
  \time 2/8
  \repeat unfold 2 c8
  \time 3/8
  \repeat unfold 3 c8
  \time 4/8
  \repeat unfold 4 c8
  \time 5/8
  \repeat unfold 5 c8
  \time 6/8
  \repeat unfold 6 c8
  \time 7/8
  \repeat unfold 7 c8
  \time 9/8
  \repeat unfold 9 c8
  \time 12/8
  \repeat unfold 12 c8
  \time 15/16
  \repeat unfold 15 c16
  \time 6/4
  \repeat unfold 6 c4
  \time 6/2
  \repeat unfold 6 c2
  \bar"|."
}


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Re: Time signature denominator as a note rather than number?

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi,

> Have a look at this LSR snippet: http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=642

Yes! That one suffices — and is more elegant — if you don’t need “strange note 
values” (like dotted notes) in your denominator(s).

Cheers,
Kieren.


Kieren MacMillan, composer
‣ website: www.kierenmacmillan.info
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Re: Time signature denominator as a note rather than number?

[Nathan Ho]

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 7:12 PM, ViniWolfling
 wrote:
> Hi everybody,
>
> Anybody know how to put a note instead of a number in the denominator? Or at
> least /if/ it can be done? For example:
>
> 
>
> Thanks in advance!

Hello,

Have a look at this LSR snippet: http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=642

Regards,
Nathan

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Re: time signature magic

[David Nalesnik]

Alex,

On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 6:08 PM, Alex Jones 
wrote:

> This worked like a charm, thanks to everyone!
>
>
Great!

Thought of something.  Why specify the numbers of the time signature in
effect?  Not that it saves much time, but you could do this for a slightly
shorter input:

 #(define ((time-parenthesized-time up down) grob)
   (ly:stencil-combine-at-edge
(ly:time-signature::print grob)
X RIGHT
(parenthesize-stencil
 (grob-interpret-markup grob
   (markup #:override '(baseline-skip . 0) #:number #:column (up down)))
 0.1 0.7 0.7 0.1) ; these numbers affect the parentheses
0.0 ; padding between columns
))

\relative c' {
  \override Staff.TimeSignature.stencil = #(time-parenthesized-time "6"
"8")
  \time 3/4
  b8 b8 gis8 gis4 gis8
}


%%

David
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Re: time signature magic

[Alex Jones]

This worked like a charm, thanks to everyone!

-akj

On May 23, 2015, at 7:05 PM, David Nalesnik  wrote:

> #(define ((time-parenthesized-time up down upp downp) grob)
>(ly:stencil-combine-at-edge
> (grob-interpret-markup grob
>   (markup #:override '(baseline-skip . 0) #:number #:column (up down)))
> X RIGHT
> (parenthesize-stencil
>  (grob-interpret-markup grob 
>(markup #:override '(baseline-skip . 0) #:number #:column (upp downp)))
>  0.1 0.7 0.7 0.1) ; these numbers affect the parentheses
> 0.0 ; padding between columns
> ))
> 

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Re: time signature magic

[David Nalesnik]

Hi Alex,

On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 5:41 PM, Alex Jones 
wrote:

> Thank you, this works!
>
> It does look a little clunky.
>

I agree--there's too much space.  A simple fix is to use \concat, which
puts items directly beside each other, instead of \line in the original
function:

\version "2.18"

#(define ((time-parenthesized-time up down upp downp) grob)
   (grob-interpret-markup grob
 (markup #:override '(baseline-skip . 0) #:number
   (#:concat (
   (#:column (up down))
   #:vcenter "("
   (#:column (upp downp))
   #:vcenter ")" )





>
> I saw this, which gets the parentheses but doesn’t include the first
> non-parenthesized item.  Can these two items be combined?
>
>
> http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/snippets/staff-notation#staff-notation-time-signature-in-parentheses-_002d-method-3
>
>
Yes, and this will allow you control over the shape of the parentheses:

#(define ((time-parenthesized-time up down upp downp) grob)
   (ly:stencil-combine-at-edge
(grob-interpret-markup grob
  (markup #:override '(baseline-skip . 0) #:number #:column (up down)))
X RIGHT
(parenthesize-stencil
 (grob-interpret-markup grob
   (markup #:override '(baseline-skip . 0) #:number #:column (upp
downp)))
 0.1 0.7 0.7 0.1) ; these numbers affect the parentheses
0.0 ; padding between columns
))


\relative c' {
  \override Staff.TimeSignature.stencil = #(time-parenthesized-time "3" "4"
"6" "8")
  \time 3/4
  b8 b8 gis8 gis4 gis8
}



Hope this helps!

David
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Re: time signature magic

[Alex Jones]

Thank you, this works!

It does look a little clunky.  

I saw this, which gets the parentheses but doesn’t include the first 
non-parenthesized item.  Can these two items be combined?

http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/snippets/staff-notation#staff-notation-time-signature-in-parentheses-_002d-method-3

-akj

On May 23, 2015, at 6:09 PM, ole  wrote:

> maybe this helps?
> 
> http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=782
> 
> ole
> 
> 
> 
> Am 23.05.2015 um 23:44 schrieb Alex Jones :
> 
>> Does anyone have a suggestion for a good way to accomplish this in lilypond?
>> 
>> time signature with a second time signature in parentheses?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance!
>> 
>> -akj
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Re: time signature magic

[ole]

maybe this helps?

http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=782

ole



Am 23.05.2015 um 23:44 schrieb Alex Jones :

> Does anyone have a suggestion for a good way to accomplish this in lilypond?
> 
> time signature with a second time signature in parentheses?
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> -akj
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Re: time signature magic

[Alex Voice]

You need the magic of: http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Snippet?id=782 - Good Luck!


Alex Jones-2 wrote
> Does anyone have a suggestion for a good way to accomplish this in
> lilypond?
> time signature with a second time signature in parentheses?
> 
> Screen Shot 2015-05-23 at 5.41.47 PM.png (14K)
> ;





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Re: Time signature style with note in the denominator

[Pierre Perol-Schneider]

Hi Gilberto,

Try :

\version "2.19.15"

#(define-public (format-time-sig-note grob)
   (let* ((frac (ly:grob-property grob 'fraction))
  (num (if (pair? frac) (car frac) 4))
  (den (if (pair? frac) (cdr frac) 4))
  (m
   (markup #:override '(baseline-skip . 0.5)
 #:center-column (#:number (number->string num)
   #:override '(style . default)
   ;; her comes the flag:
   #:override '(flag-style .
modern-straight-flag)
   #:note (number->string den)
  DOWN
 (grob-interpret-markup grob m)))

%%%

\relative c' {
  \override Staff.Flag.stencil = #modern-straight-flag
  \override Staff.TimeSignature.stencil = #format-time-sig-note
  \time 3/8
  \autoBeamOff
  c8 c8 c8
}


Cheers,
Pierre

2015-03-11 13:52 GMT+01:00 Gilberto Agostinho :

> Hello LilyPonders,
>
> Could someone please give me a hand? I want to use the following snippet
> (from: http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=642), but I'd like that the
> notes
> in the denominator to use the straight-modern-flag similarly to the notes
> of
> the score:
>
> \version "2.19.15"
>
> #(define-public (format-time-sig-note grob)
>(let* ((frac (ly:grob-property grob 'fraction))
>   (num (if (pair? frac) (car frac) 4))
>   (den (if (pair? frac) (cdr frac) 4))
>   (m (markup #:override '(baseline-skip . 0.5)
>  #:center-column (#:number (number->string num)
>#:override '(style .
> default)
>#:note (number->string den)
> DOWN
>  (grob-interpret-markup grob m)))
>
> %%%
>
> \relative c' {
>   \override Staff.Flag.stencil = #modern-straight-flag
>   \override Staff.TimeSignature.stencil = #format-time-sig-note
>   \time 3/8
>   \autoBeamOff
>   c8 c8 c8
> }
>
> This code above produces:
> 
>
> Any help is very much appreciated.
>
> Best,
> Gilberto
>
>
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Re: Time signature style with note in the denominator

[Gilberto Agostinho]

Works perfectly well. Thank you so much, Pierre, I really appreciate your
help!

Best,
Gilberto



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Re: Time signature differs from measure length

[Noeck]

Hi Simon,

> \time 2/2
> \set Timing.measure-length = #(ly:make-moment 4 2) 

thanks for this code. I like this solution best. To be precise it is
measureLength instead of measure-length:

\version "2.18.2"
{
  \time 2/2
  \set Timing.measureLength = #(ly:make-moment 4 2)
  b2 b b b
}

And thanks for the lesson on alla breve. I also wondered what the reason
for this notation is. It's clearer now.

Cheers,
Joram

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RE: Time signature differs from measure length

[Mark Stephen Mrotek]

I stand corrected.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: Simon Albrecht [mailto:simon.albre...@mail.de] 
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 1:23 PM
To: Mark Stephen Mrotek; 'lilypond-user'
Subject: Re: Time signature differs from measure length

Am 10.10.2014 um 21:53 schrieb Mark Stephen Mrotek:
> Simon,
>
> Regarding the snippet you provide, I would be confused in reading it. The "₵" 
> would tell me 2/2, yet there would be four semi-breves.
No, a semi-brevis is what we call „ganze Note” in Germany; the „halbe Note” 
would be a minim (the British English naming is the same as in latin). Thus, 
alla breve means ‘in units of a brevis’, that is 4/2 or 2/1.
And this has been common notation, in the 17th and 18th centuries there are 
countless examples. After all, the cut c comes from a time when there were no 
barlines at all, so it’s a matter of interpretation if modern editors choose to 
insert barlines every 2/2 or 4/2. And the 19th and 20th centuries often 
continue to refer to ancient music also in rhythmic concerns, so today there 
are both meanings, and you won’t be able to determine one measure’s duration 
from the cut c time signature alone.

Yours,
Simon


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Re: Time signature differs from measure length

[Simon Albrecht]

Am 10.10.2014 um 21:53 schrieb Mark Stephen Mrotek:

Simon,

Regarding the snippet you provide, I would be confused in reading it. The "₵" 
would tell me 2/2, yet there would be four semi-breves.
No, a semi-brevis is what we call „ganze Note” in Germany; the „halbe 
Note” would be a minim (the British English naming is the same as in 
latin). Thus, alla breve means ‘in units of a brevis’, that is 4/2 or 2/1.
And this has been common notation, in the 17th and 18th centuries there 
are countless examples. After all, the cut c comes from a time when 
there were no barlines at all, so it’s a matter of interpretation if 
modern editors choose to insert barlines every 2/2 or 4/2. And the 19th 
and 20th centuries often continue to refer to ancient music also in 
rhythmic concerns, so today there are both meanings, and you won’t be 
able to determine one measure’s duration from the cut c time signature 
alone.


Yours,
Simon

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RE: Time signature differs from measure length

[Mark Stephen Mrotek]

Simon,

Regarding the snippet you provide, I would be confused in reading it. The "₵" 
would tell me 2/2, yet there would be four semi-breves.

Does this do what you want?

\version "2.18.0"
timeTwoOne = {
  \once \override Staff.TimeSignature.stencil =
  #(lambda (grob)
 (grob-interpret-markup grob
  #{ \markup { \musicglyph #"timesig.C22" \musicglyph #"timesig.C22" } #}))
  \time 2/1
}
\relative c' {
  \timeTwoOne 
  r2 g g g | f f g b | b a b1
  }

Mark

-Original Message-
From: Simon Albrecht [mailto:simon.albre...@mail.de] 
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 12:13 PM
To: Noeck; Mark Stephen Mrotek; lilypond-user
Subject: Re: Time signature differs from measure length

Am 10.10.2014 um 12:45 schrieb Noeck:
>> -Original Message-
>> I want to write a piece with a alla-breve time signature but with 
>> four half notes in a measure (4/2).
>>
>> Is it better to overwrite the time signature stencil and use \time 4/2 or do 
>> it like this:
>>
>> \version "2.18.2"
>>
>> \relative c'' \scaleDurations 1/2 {
>>\time 2/2
>>r2 g g g | f f g b | b a b1
>> }
>> Noeck,
>>
>> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2014-09/msg00603.html
>> might be of help.
>>
>> Mark
> Thanks. I should have found this.
> My main question which solution is more correct? Scaling the durations 
> or changing the printed time signature?
For the printed output it doesn’t matter. Scaling the durations seems most 
tedious to me, and overriding the stencil is also more complicated than a third 
possibility:
\time 2/2
\set Timing.measure-length = #(ly:make-moment 4 2) But it’s up to which coding 
you prefer, actually. To me, a really "correct" solution would be \override 
TimeSignature.style – but this works only for \time 4/4 and \time 2/2. So you 
need to use something more intrusive.

Best, Simon


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Re: Time signature differs from measure length

[Simon Albrecht]

Am 10.10.2014 um 12:45 schrieb Noeck:

-Original Message-
I want to write a piece with a alla-breve time signature but with four half
notes in a measure (4/2).

Is it better to overwrite the time signature stencil and use \time 4/2 or do it 
like this:

\version "2.18.2"

\relative c'' \scaleDurations 1/2 {
   \time 2/2
   r2 g g g | f f g b | b a b1
}
Noeck,

http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2014-09/msg00603.html
might be of help.

Mark

Thanks. I should have found this.
My main question which solution is more correct? Scaling the durations
or changing the printed time signature?
For the printed output it doesn’t matter. Scaling the durations seems 
most tedious to me, and overriding the stencil is also more complicated 
than a third possibility:

\time 2/2
\set Timing.measure-length = #(ly:make-moment 4 2)
But it’s up to which coding you prefer, actually. To me, a really 
"correct" solution would be \override TimeSignature.style – but this 
works only for \time 4/4 and \time 2/2. So you need to use something 
more intrusive.


Best, Simon

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RE: Time signature differs from measure length

[Mark Stephen Mrotek]

Joram,

For me correct is "what makes more sense to my reading/interpretation of the 
music." I use Lilypond to score music for my own performance (generally 
private), therefore I need not conform to Gould.

My suggestion is to do whatever makes the experience better for you.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: Noeck [mailto:noeck.marb...@gmx.de] 
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 3:46 AM
To: Mark Stephen Mrotek; lilypond-user
Subject: Re: Time signature differs from measure length

> -Original Message-
> I want to write a piece with a alla-breve time signature but with four 
> half notes in a measure (4/2).
> 
> Is it better to overwrite the time signature stencil and use \time 4/2 or do 
> it like this:
> 
> \version "2.18.2"
> 
> \relative c'' \scaleDurations 1/2 {
>   \time 2/2
>   r2 g g g | f f g b | b a b1
> }
> Noeck,
>
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2014-09/msg00603.html
> might be of help.
>
> Mark

Thanks. I should have found this.
My main question which solution is more correct? Scaling the durations or 
changing the printed time signature?

Joram


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Re: Time signature differs from measure length

[Noeck]

> -Original Message-
> I want to write a piece with a alla-breve time signature but with four half
> notes in a measure (4/2).
> 
> Is it better to overwrite the time signature stencil and use \time 4/2 or do 
> it like this:
> 
> \version "2.18.2"
> 
> \relative c'' \scaleDurations 1/2 {
>   \time 2/2
>   r2 g g g | f f g b | b a b1
> }
> Noeck,
>
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2014-09/msg00603.html
> might be of help.
>
> Mark

Thanks. I should have found this.
My main question which solution is more correct? Scaling the durations
or changing the printed time signature?

Joram

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RE: Time signature differs from measure length

[Mark Stephen Mrotek]

Noeck,

http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2014-09/msg00603.html
might be of help.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org
[mailto:lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org] On Behalf Of
Noeck
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 4:14 PM
To: lilypond-user
Subject: Time signature differs from measure length

Hi,

I want to write a piece with a alla-breve time signature but with four half
notes in a measure (4/2).

Is it better to overwrite the time signature stencil and use \time 4/2 (if
yes, how?) or do it like this:

\version "2.18.2"

\relative c'' \scaleDurations 1/2 {
  \time 2/2
  r2 g g g | f f g b | b a b1
}

Cheers,
Joram

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Re: Time signature fonts

[Phil Holmes]

Thanks, Mark.  PostAntiqua does a pretty good job, IMHO.

--
Phil Holmes


  - Original Message - 
  From: Mark Polesky 
  To: Phil Holmes 
  Cc: LilyPond User Group 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 8:31 PM
  Subject: Re: Time signature fonts


  On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 7:46 AM, Phil Holmes  wrote:

I'm typesetting some madrigals from book 2 of the Musica Transalpina.  Part 
of one of them has the passage attached.  This looks like a brief 3/2 passage 
that reverts to 4/4 (or their perfect/imperfect mensural equivalents).

I'd like to use a font for the signature that has this characteristic 3 
shape.  Can anyone suggest one, please?



  For free I find Post-Antiqua:
  http://www.searchfreefonts.com/free/postantiqua.htm

  If you're willing to pay, you could look into these on myfonts.com
  Jubilee
  Kingsrow
  Stanhope
  Pannartz
  Poor Richard
  Antique Ancienne



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Re: Time signature fonts

[Mark Polesky]

On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 7:46 AM, Phil Holmes  wrote:

> I'm typesetting some madrigals from book 2 of the Musica Transalpina.
>  Part of one of them has the passage attached.  This looks like a brief 3/2
> passage that reverts to 4/4 (or their perfect/imperfect mensural
> equivalents).
>
> I'd like to use a font for the signature that has this characteristic 3
> shape.  Can anyone suggest one, please?
>

For free I find Post-Antiqua:
http://www.searchfreefonts.com/free/postantiqua.htm

If you're willing to pay, you could look into these on myfonts.com
Jubilee
Kingsrow
Stanhope
Pannartz
Poor Richard
Antique Ancienne
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Re: Time signature in TabStaff

[Peter Crighton]

Thank you, that’s great!
It’s wonderful that LilyPond is so good already, but keeps getting
even better constantly. Every time I run into a problem it is already
going to be fixed in one of the next versions, I like that!

--
Peter Crighton | Musician & Music Engraver based in Mainz/Wiesbaden, Germany
http://www.petercrighton.de


2012/9/7 David Kastrup :
> Peter Crighton  writes:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> when having included \tabFullNotation in a TabStaff, the time
>> signature is not centered vertically with an even number of lines in
>> the staff. This is because a time signature is anchored at a line, not
>> the space between lines. Is there any way to change this behaviour and
>> have the time signature centered?
>>
>>
>> \version "2.15.41"
>>
>> \new TabStaff {
>>   \tabFullNotation
>>   R1
>> }
>
> Cf http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2783>.  This
> will be fixed in 2.17.2, and I plan a backport into 2.16.1 as well.  If
> you take a look at the length and breadth of the discussion on this
> issue as well as the parent issues, you'll see that a lot of work is
> going into assuring the best experience possible when using LilyPond.
> In this particular case, it took several iterations to get this right,
> but I believe that the time signature has not been centered in
> four/six-string tablatures for a _long_ time by now (like, since 2002 or
> so).  You can for now use something like
>
> \override Staff.TimeSignature #'Y-offset = -2
>
> as a temporary fix, but don't forget to remove it when upgrading to
> 2.17.2 or 2.16.1.
>
> --
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Re: Time signature in TabStaff

[David Kastrup]

Peter Crighton  writes:

> Hi all,
>
> when having included \tabFullNotation in a TabStaff, the time
> signature is not centered vertically with an even number of lines in
> the staff. This is because a time signature is anchored at a line, not
> the space between lines. Is there any way to change this behaviour and
> have the time signature centered?
>
>
> \version "2.15.41"
>
> \new TabStaff {
>   \tabFullNotation
>   R1
> }

Cf http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2783>.  This
will be fixed in 2.17.2, and I plan a backport into 2.16.1 as well.  If
you take a look at the length and breadth of the discussion on this
issue as well as the parent issues, you'll see that a lot of work is
going into assuring the best experience possible when using LilyPond.
In this particular case, it took several iterations to get this right,
but I believe that the time signature has not been centered in
four/six-string tablatures for a _long_ time by now (like, since 2002 or
so).  You can for now use something like

\override Staff.TimeSignature #'Y-offset = -2

as a temporary fix, but don't forget to remove it when upgrading to
2.17.2 or 2.16.1.

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Re: time signature question

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi James,

> Could we add it here?
> http://lilypond.org/productions.html

All of my scores since 2003 have been happily Lily-pounded.  =)

Here are some recent highlights (compositions only, as the arrangements would 
be far too numerous). Feel free to put up there whatever you deem worthy. If 
you have questions or want more details about any specific items, just ask.

Live Performances:
Go Thy Way — Salt Lake Choral Artists, Utah, 2012
Just Out of Reach Suite — Chrysalis Duo, Huntington, 2012
Twelfth Night — Classical Theatre Project, American Tour, 2012; CTP, 
Toronto, 2011; CTP, Toronto, 2010
Round 7:30 — Musique 21, Lansing, 2011
A Musical Called ‘Robin Hood’ — Shakespeare by the Sea, Halifax, 2011; 
Toronto Youth Theatre, Toronto, 2008; TYT, Toronto, 2007
thrafsmata — Pittsburgh New Music Ensemble, Pittsburgh, 2011
Just Out of Reach (excerpts) — Pittsburgh New Music Ensemble, 
Pittsburgh, 2011
Metamorphosis from Just Out of Reach — The Phoenix Concerts, New York, 
2011
Tango from Drunken Moon — Symphonic Salon Series, Kansas City, 2011
Fairy Tale Ending — NextStage Theatre Festival, Toronto, 2011; Best of 
the Fringe & Best of the Fringe Uptown, Toronto, 2010; Toronto Fringe Festival 
FringeKids!, Toronto, 2010
Fantasy Variations on a Theme by Charpentier — ASU Faculty Chamber 
Music Series, Tempe, 2011; Rocky Mountain Summer Conservatory, Steamboat 
Springs, 2010; Le Domaine Forget International Festival, Saint-Irénée, 2009
ToboR the RoboT — Toronto Youth Theatre, Toronto, 2009
Just Out of Reach — Edinburgh Fringe Festival, Edinburgh, 2008
When You Are Old and Grey — ACDA National Convention, Miami, 2007
Drunken Moon — Pittsburgh New Music Ensemble, Pittsburgh, 2006

Studio Recordings:
Suite No. 1 for unaccompanied violin — Suite Inspiration (Soundset 
Recordings), 2012
Fantasy Variations on a Theme by Charpentier — Groteske (Soundset 
Recordings), 2011
Fairy Tale Ending — Fairy Tale Ending Cast Recording (Role Your Own 
Theatre), 2010
Drunken Moon — 30th Anniversary Argosy Recording, (Lime Green 
Productions), 2007
When You Are Old and Grey — 2007 ACDA National Convention (ACDA), 2007

Cheers,
Kieren.
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Re: time signature question

[James]

Kieren,

On 28 February 2012 18:27, Kieren MacMillan
 wrote:
> Hi Neil,
>
>> Can I just say to Kieren: This is awesome (your brief replies below, I mean).
>> You're a great example.
>
> Aw, gee, thanks!  =)
>
> Best regards,
> Kieren.
>
> p.s. I note you're at BYU… One of my [Lilypond-engraved] choral pieces will 
> get its world premiere on March 24 in Sandy, UT 
> (http://www.saltlakechoralartists.org/concerts_events), which isn't too far 
> away — maybe you'll have a chance to see it?

Could we add it here?

http://lilypond.org/productions.html


James

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Re: time signature question

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi Neil,

> Can I just say to Kieren: This is awesome (your brief replies below, I mean).
> You're a great example.

Aw, gee, thanks!  =)

Best regards,
Kieren.

p.s. I note you're at BYU… One of my [Lilypond-engraved] choral pieces will get 
its world premiere on March 24 in Sandy, UT 
(http://www.saltlakechoralartists.org/concerts_events), which isn't too far 
away — maybe you'll have a chance to see it?
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Re: time signature question

[David Kastrup]

Neil Thornock  writes:

> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Kieren MacMillan 
>  wrote:
>> Hi David,
>>
>>> if you think a bounty is exaggerated
>>
>> I thought nothing of the sort.
>>
>>> In short, it was a five-minute job because of work I did
>>
>> I had no doubt that was true.
>>
>> I'm going to be sending you a payment soon.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>> Kieren.
>
> Can I just say to Kieren: This is awesome (your brief replies below, I
> mean).
>
> You're a great example.

Isn't it great that this list has such a rich variety of role models to
offer?

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Re: time signature question

[Neil Thornock]

Can I just say to Kieren: This is awesome (your brief replies below, I mean).

You're a great example.

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Kieren MacMillan
 wrote:
> Hi David,
>
>> if you think a bounty is exaggerated
>
> I thought nothing of the sort.
>
>> In short, it was a five-minute job because of work I did
>
> I had no doubt that was true.
>
> I'm going to be sending you a payment soon.
>
> Thanks again,
> Kieren.
>
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Composition/Theory
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Re: time signature question

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi David,

> if you think a bounty is exaggerated

I thought nothing of the sort.

> In short, it was a five-minute job because of work I did

I had no doubt that was true.

I'm going to be sending you a payment soon.

Thanks again,
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Re: time signature question

[David Kastrup]

David Kastrup  writes:

> Kieren MacMillan  writes:

>> It works resonably well… However, I would *LOVE* to be able to replace
>>
>> \tsFunky #"7" #"16." \time 21/32
>>
>> with something more like
>>
>> \tsFunky s16.*7
>>
>> and have the function figure out the correct measure length for me (in this 
>> case, 21 thirty-second notes), and then display the correct 
>> "number-over-note" time signature (in this case, a '7' over a 
>> dotted-sixteenth note). Is this possible?
>
> Hey, this is almost cute enough for a bounty:
>
> \version "2.15.29"
>
> tsFunky =
>   #(define-music-function
> (parser location dur)
> (ly:duration?)
> #{
>   \once \override Staff.TimeSignature #'stencil = 
> #ly:text-interface::print
>   \once \override Staff.TimeSignature #'text =
> \markup \override #'(baseline-skip . 0.5) \center-column {
>  \number #(number->string (car (ly:duration-factor dur)))
>  \note-by-number #(ly:duration-log dur) #(ly:duration-dot-count dur) 
> #DOWN }
>\time #(cons (ly:moment-main-numerator (ly:duration-length dur))
>(ly:moment-main-denominator (ly:duration-length dur)))
>   #})
>
> theMusic = {
>   \tsFunky 16.*7 R16.*7 |
> }
>
> { \theMusic }

And if you think a bounty is exaggerated because that was a 5 minute
job:

The music function can take a duration argument because of work I did.
\number can take a normal Scheme argument because of work I did
(admittedly, using $ instead of # would have been easy enough).  \time
is a music function that can take its value as a computed cons because
of work I did.  Using dur throughout the #{ ... #} is as straightforward
because of work I did (admittedly, juggling with the right kind of $
would have worked as well).

In short, it was a five-minute job because of work I did, and you have a
reasonable chance to get similar jobs done yourself if needed: the
construct is not really significantly more complex than what you already
came up with.

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Re: time signature question

[Hans Aberg]

On 26 Feb 2012, at 20:06, David Kastrup wrote:

>>> this is almost cute enough for a bounty:
>> 
>> It works exactly as I had hoped.
>> What's a reasonable fee for your effort?
> 
> Hard to say.  Writing this up now was good for about €18 (5 minutes was
> a bit boastful as an estimate, even though this went through without
> major puzzlers).  If you want to show your appreciation that I was
> responsible for a lot of the infrastructure actually turning this into a
> straightforward job, you can take your pick of either
> 
> a) doubling the amount
> 
> b) creating and "issueing" a nice snippet from it (probably using
>   something like \repeat unfold 7 c'8. or so as a somewhat more
>   illustrative content) and going through all the motions until it has
>   made its way into the LilyPond documentation.
> 
> I think that this code would make for a nice snippet.  It exercises a
> fair bit of functionality without major distractions in between.

It would be nice if it would make it into the LilyPond distribution.

The snippet is equivalent to
  \time 21/16
  \set beatStructure = #'(3 3 3 3 3 3 3)
and then set time signature style (which I think possibly is called "visual"). 
(Just count sequences of equal notes, and put a count number above.)

If there in the future is an extension to more complex meters, this style would 
fit nicely. WP says that though only few composers use it, it is more common in 
music education.

Carl Orff, in Carmina Burana, actually wrote it with a slash "/" above, once 
for the whole orchestral score. Also, for some reason, in the music, he write 
the stems always to the right, for some reason, but it is not typeset that way.

As for other styles, one might just write the 21/16 and let the beaming tell 
the metric grouping, but a nice variation someone here had was to write the 
decomposition above the time signature. In this case, this would have been the 
"+" notation 3+3+3+3+3+3+3, which tends to be long. So this "visual" style 
might be used here, too.

Hans



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Re: time signature question

[David Kastrup]

Kieren MacMillan  writes:

> Hi David,
>
>> this is almost cute enough for a bounty:
>
> It works exactly as I had hoped.
> What's a reasonable fee for your effort?

Hard to say.  Writing this up now was good for about €18 (5 minutes was
a bit boastful as an estimate, even though this went through without
major puzzlers).  If you want to show your appreciation that I was
responsible for a lot of the infrastructure actually turning this into a
straightforward job, you can take your pick of either

a) doubling the amount

b) creating and "issueing" a nice snippet from it (probably using
   something like \repeat unfold 7 c'8. or so as a somewhat more
   illustrative content) and going through all the motions until it has
   made its way into the LilyPond documentation.

I think that this code would make for a nice snippet.  It exercises a
fair bit of functionality without major distractions in between.

-- 
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Re: time signature question

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi David,

> this is almost cute enough for a bounty:

It works exactly as I had hoped.
What's a reasonable fee for your effort?

Thanks,
Kieren.

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Re: time signature question

[David Kastrup]

Kieren MacMillan  writes:

> Hello again,
>
> So I was able to work out the following function:
>
> \version "2.15.29"
>
> tsFunky =
>   #(define-music-function
> (parser location numerNum denomNote)
> (string? string?)
> #{
>   \once \override Staff.TimeSignature #'stencil = 
> #ly:text-interface::print
>   \once \override Staff.TimeSignature #'text =
> \markup \override #'(baseline-skip . 0.5) \center-column { \number 
> #numerNum \note #denomNote #DOWN }
> #})
>
> theMusic = {
>   \tsFunky #"7" #"16." \time 21/32 R16.*7 |
> }
>
> \score { \theMusic }
>
> It works resonably well… However, I would *LOVE* to be able to replace
>
> \tsFunky #"7" #"16." \time 21/32
>
> with something more like
>
> \tsFunky s16.*7
>
> and have the function figure out the correct measure length for me (in this 
> case, 21 thirty-second notes), and then display the correct 
> "number-over-note" time signature (in this case, a '7' over a 
> dotted-sixteenth note). Is this possible?

Hey, this is almost cute enough for a bounty:

\version "2.15.29"

tsFunky =
  #(define-music-function
(parser location dur)
(ly:duration?)
#{
  \once \override Staff.TimeSignature #'stencil = #ly:text-interface::print
  \once \override Staff.TimeSignature #'text =
\markup \override #'(baseline-skip . 0.5) \center-column {
 \number #(number->string (car (ly:duration-factor dur)))
 \note-by-number #(ly:duration-log dur) #(ly:duration-dot-count dur) #DOWN }
   \time #(cons (ly:moment-main-numerator (ly:duration-length dur))
 (ly:moment-main-denominator (ly:duration-length dur)))
  #})

theMusic = {
  \tsFunky 16.*7 R16.*7 |
}

{ \theMusic }

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Re: time signature question

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hello again,

So I was able to work out the following function:

\version "2.15.29"

tsFunky =
  #(define-music-function
(parser location numerNum denomNote)
(string? string?)
#{
  \once \override Staff.TimeSignature #'stencil = #ly:text-interface::print
  \once \override Staff.TimeSignature #'text =
\markup \override #'(baseline-skip . 0.5) \center-column { \number 
#numerNum \note #denomNote #DOWN }
#})

theMusic = {
  \tsFunky #"7" #"16." \time 21/32 R16.*7 |
}

\score { \theMusic }

It works resonably well… However, I would *LOVE* to be able to replace

\tsFunky #"7" #"16." \time 21/32

with something more like

\tsFunky s16.*7

and have the function figure out the correct measure length for me (in this 
case, 21 thirty-second notes), and then display the correct "number-over-note" 
time signature (in this case, a '7' over a dotted-sixteenth note). Is this 
possible?

Thanks,
Kieren.
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Re: time signature between staves

[Jan-Peter Voigt]

Yes it is possible!
You could use a Dynamics context. I usaly have a meta-var containing the 
run of the music. So I can put it in the whole partitura and in the 
single voice sheets.

So my setup has a structure like this:
--snip--
\version "2.14.2"

meta = {
  \time 3/4 s2. | \time 4/4 s1 | \time 5/4 s4*5 | \time 4/4 s1 \bar "|."
}
blindmusic = \relative c'' {
  c4 b a | b c d c | g a b c d | c g e c |
}

\score {
  \new StaffGroup <<
\new Staff <<
  \meta
  \blindmusic
>>
\new Staff <<
  \meta
  \blindmusic
>>
% add a Dynamics context with time sig engraver
\new Dynamics \with {
  \consists "Time_signature_engraver"
} <<
  \meta
  \blindmusic
>>
\new Staff <<
  \meta
  \blindmusic
>>
\new Staff <<
  \meta
  \blindmusic
>>
>>
  \layout {
\context {
  \Staff
  % switch off time signature in Staff
  \override TimeSignature #'stencil = ##f
}
  }
}
--snip--

You might also put tempo information in that context with an extra engraver:
#(define-public tempo_engraver (lambda (context)
  `((listeners
 (tempo-change-event
   . ,(lambda (engraver event)
   (let ((text (ly:engraver-make-grob engraver 
'TextScript event)))
(ly:grob-set-property! text 'text (markup 
#:normal-text (ly:event-property event 'text)))

(ly:grob-set-property! text 'direction UP)
   
)))
and \consists \tempo_engraver.
Here it uses TextScript events ... you might need to tweak the 
positions. But this is probably not what you where looking for ;-)


Cheers,
Jan-Peter

Am 27.09.2011 21:33, schrieb Peter O'Doherty:

Hi,

I have a system with 4 staves and instead of each stave having a time 
signature (which changes regularly) I would like to place the time 
signature between the second and third stave only. Is this possible? 
And if so, how?


Many thanks,
Peter




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Re: time signature between staves

[Marek Klein]

Hello,

2011/9/27 Peter O'Doherty 

> Hi,
>
> I have a system with 4 staves and instead of each stave having a time
> signature (which changes regularly) I would like to place the time signature
> between the second and third stave only. Is this possible? And if so, how?
>

this could help you (I guess):
http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=272

HTH

Marek
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Re: Time signature change within bars

[-Eluze]

Kieren MacMillan wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> \relative c' {
>   \clef bass
>   \time 6/8
>   b b, b b b b |
>   b4. s4 \set Timing.measurePosition = #(ly:make-moment 6 8)  \time 4/4
> g'8. g16 |
>   a4 g
> }
> 
> Same as an in-bar key signature: the composer has the choice of waiting
> until the bar to change the key (resp. time) signature and deal with the
> accidentals (resp. timing) in the current bar, or change the key (resp.
> time) signature mid-bar and not have to deal with any accidentals (resp.
> timing issues).
> 
> 
thanks, Kieren, for bringing me back to the real logic!

another small improvement concerns the spacing problem; with

\textLengthOn 
b4. - \markup {\hspace #5 " "} \set Timing.measurePosition =
#(ly:make-moment 6 8) 
\textLengthOff

you can easily choose the distance from the last note to the time key.

cheers
Eluze
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Re: Time signature change within bars

[Arne Peters]

hello Kieren,



Kieren MacMillan wrote:
> 
> .
>   b b, b b b b |
>   b4. s4 \set Timing.measurePosition = #(ly:make-moment 6 8)  \time 4/4
> g'8. g16 |
> .
> 
> Hope this helps!
> Kieren
> 
> 


thanks for pointing that out,
it might have raised some eyebrows if I'd delivered the score with the
"reduced" bar numbering ...
I have been transcribing music with a computer since the days of Notator SL
(about 1988), and Lilypond is still new to me ( since 2.10.xx ) and so far I
have been asked to provide sheet music in Fin or Sib... 

Arne



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Re: Time signature change within bars

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi Ed,

> Kudos to Eluze for figuring out such a work-around.

Another improvement (on a great workaround!) would be to fix the bar numbering 
problem it introduces:

\version "2.13.46"
\include "english.ly"

\layout {
  \context {
\Score
 \override BarNumber #'break-visibility = #'#(#t #t #t)
 barNumberVisibility = #(every-nth-bar-number-visible 1)
  }
}

\relative c' {
  \clef bass
  \time 6/8
  b b, b b b b |
  b4. s4 \set Timing.measurePosition = #(ly:make-moment -2 8)  \time 4/4
g'8. g16 |
  a4 g
}

\relative c' {
  \clef bass
  \time 6/8
  b b, b b b b |
  b4. s4 \set Timing.measurePosition = #(ly:make-moment 6 8)  \time 4/4
g'8. g16 |
  a4 g
}

> Heck, I've been a musician 40 of my 45 years, and can't even understand what 
> an in-bar time signature change really means.

Same as an in-bar key signature: the composer has the choice of waiting until 
the bar to change the key (resp. time) signature and deal with the accidentals 
(resp. timing) in the current bar, or change the key (resp. time) signature 
mid-bar and not have to deal with any accidentals (resp. timing issues).

Hope this helps!
Kieren.
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RE: Time signature change within bars

[Ed Ardzinski]

 

Despite being in the stone age wrt to LP versions, I think "apologizing"is not 
necessary.  It takes some effort to apply new ideas, and it's a testiment to 
tenacity that you looked over the snippet and found that you were making a 
mistake.  Kudos to you!
 
Kudos to Eluze for figuring out such a work-around.  I can't be sure if it was 
ever encountered before, but the speed that it was presented was incredible.  
As is LP, and this group.
 
Heck, I've been a musician 40 of my 45 years, and can't even understand what an 
in-bar time signature change really means.  That LP can handle it is amazing, 
similar to an instance some years ago about unusual time signatures like 5/9, 
and how LP can handle that type of rhythmic oddity right out the box.
 
The folks who give up on this program are obviously not cut out for it.  It is 
clear they are just not trying hard enough to break through the first stages of 
the learning curve.  Apparently there is no real end to the learning curve.  
Maybe that spooks some people; if that's the case, too bad.  Their loss!
 
And despite still using the 2.6 series, I still find useful discussion here, 
even if sometimes it's on a more philosphic level.  Thanks all!
 
> I have to apologize ... I looked over my code with the snippet again after
> breakfast this morning, and I had one spacer note too many in my code (with
> \global and \music in separate +.ily-files included into one layout.ly ...)
> 
> Now everything works just fine as you suggested, thanks again 
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