subject:"Spacing problem"

Re: A weird spacing problem

2020-06-03 Thread Gregory Hollands

Robert,

For what it's worth, the following code runs without spacing issues on
2.18.2
Note that I commented out one of the overrides.

-Greg

%
\version "2.18.2"

PartPOneVoiceOne = {
\clef "treble"
\key c \major
\time 3/4
fis'8) c''8\rest  \override NoteColumn #'force-hshift = #-2.5  fis'!2|
fis'!2.^~|
fis'8 [\override NoteColumn #'force-hshift = #-1 f'!8 ] d'2|
}

PartPOneVoiceTwo = {
\clef "treble"
\key c \major
\time 3/4
8 d'8 \rest  < d' f'! >4 _(< c' es'! >4 |
\override NoteColumn #'force-hshift = #-2.5 4 c'4 b4_~)|
b2.|
}

PartPTwoVoiceOne = {
\clef "bass"
\key c \major
\time 3/4
\once \override NoteColumn.X-offset = #-4 \stemDown  8 e8 \rest < es
fis a >2|
\once \override NoteColumn.X-offset = #-4 \stemUp f4 a4 gis4|
s2.|
}

PartPTwoVoiceTwo = {
\clef "bass"
\key c \major
\time 3/4
<< \stemDown {8 d8 \rest s4 } \\ { a8 s8 2 } >> |
%\override NoteColumn #'force-hshift = #-5
es2.|
\override NoteColumn #'force-hshift = #-2 \stemDown < es g >2.|
}

\score {
\new PianoStaff \with {
\override VerticalAxisGroup.staff-staff-spacing = #'((basic-distance . 12))
connectArpeggios = ##t
}
<<
\new Staff = "upper" <<
\new  Voice = "PartPOneVoiceOne"  \PartPOneVoiceOne
\new Voice = "PartPOneVoiceTwo"  \PartPOneVoiceTwo
>>

\new Staff = "lower" <<
\new Voice = "PartPTwoVoiceOne"  \PartPTwoVoiceOne
\new  Voice = "PartPTwoVoiceTwo" \PartPTwoVoiceTwo
>>
>>
}
%


Hi Valentin,
> Thanks for your interest in my problem
> The piece, as you can see in the screenshot, is a piano score with two
> voices in each staff and occasionally a third voice by << { } \\ { } >> or
> \partcombine.
> I triple-checked my source code, first by hiding successively each voice,
> and see what happens, and then to comment out and successively reopen all
> lines, 55 in each voice,  in my score. Compared with the original
> everything is OK except the passage (only 3 bars) shown in the screenshot.
> Thereafter, in the last 7 bars of the piece everything is again perfect.
>
> Overall there are several instances where I needed "\once \override
> NoteColumn #'force-hshift = #x" , and a few "\once\override
> NoteColumn.X-offset = #x”.
> I use LilyPond 2_19_83-1 with TeXShop as the editor. Usually it works
> perfectly.
> I include the problematic part of the score. It is certainly not a *M*WE
> but it works for me and it shows the problem. It also shows that its origin
> does not ly in the previous bars.
> Thanks again for your interest.
> Best regards,
> Robert
>
>
> On 3 Jun 2020, at 14:14, Valentin Villenave 
> wrote:
> On 6/3/20, Robert Blackstone  wrote:
> Hi Robert,
> Unless you post some code, it’s gonna be difficult to help you. You
> should first double check your source files in case there’s some
> \override affecting the DotColumn object somewhere?
> Cheers,
> -- V.


I’m vainly struggling with a weird spacing problem

Re: A weird spacing problem

2020-06-03 Thread Valentin Villenave

On 6/3/20, Mark Stephen Mrotek  wrote:
> When I set piano four part I let Lilypond do all the work.

Hear hear! (Even for more than four parts, btw.)

> I have taken the liberty of recoding the section using four-part voicing.

Yeah, so did I!  That sure was tempting wasn’t it? :-)

Cheers,
-- V.

Re: A weird spacing problem

2020-06-03 Thread Valentin Villenave

On 6/3/20, Robert Blackstone  wrote:
> Overall there are several instances where I needed "\once \override
> NoteColumn #'force-hshift = #x" , and a few "\once\override
> NoteColumn.X-offset = #x”.

Ouch.  That’s pretty brutal.  May I ask why you felt the need to use
all these?  This alters drastically the layout, and basically amounts
to force your own spacing decisions onto LilyPond’s.

Frankly, I’ve written (and transcribed) very complex piano scores, and
not once have I needed to mess with Lily’s own idea of where the
NoteColumn objects should begin and end; of course \voiceThree and
\voiceFour internally rely on that, but with some fairly sane (and
tame) predefined values.  If you need some non-standard alignments,
I’d recommend using the simplest of tricks like invisible rests and
duration multipliers instead:

upperI = \relative {
  fis'8 r fis2 fis2.~ fis8 f d2
}

upperII = \relative {   
  8 r s32 4*15/16( 
  s4*3/4  c b)~ 2.
}

lowerI = \relative {
  \oneVoice 8 r 2
  \voiceOne s4*3/4 f a gis s2.
}

lowerII = \relative {
  s2. es 
}

\new PianoStaff <<
  \accidentalStyle PianoStaff.neo-modern
  \new Staff = "up" <<
\time 3/4
\new Voice { \voiceOne \upperI }
\new Voice { \voiceTwo \upperII }
  >>
  \new Staff = "dn" <<
\clef bass
\new Voice { \voiceOne \lowerI }
\new Voice { \voiceTwo \lowerII }
  >>
>>

\layout { \context { \Staff \consists #Merge_rests_engraver } }

Cheers,
-- V.

Re: A weird spacing problem

2020-06-03 Thread Thomas Morley

Am Mi., 3. Juni 2020 um 19:27 Uhr schrieb Robert Blackstone
:
>
> Hi Valentin,
>
> Thanks for your interest in my problem
>
> The piece, as you can see in the screenshot, is a piano score with two voices 
> in each staff and occasionally a third voice by << { } \\ { } >> or 
> \partcombine.
> I triple-checked my source code, first by hiding successively each voice, and 
> see what happens, and then to comment out and successively reopen all lines, 
> 55 in each voice,  in my score. Compared with the original everything is OK 
> except the passage (only 3 bars) shown in the screenshot. Thereafter, in the 
> last 7 bars of the piece everything is again perfect.
>
> Overall there are several instances where I needed "\once \override 
> NoteColumn #'force-hshift = #x" , and a few "\once\override 
> NoteColumn.X-offset = #x”.
>
> I use LilyPond 2_19_83-1 with TeXShop as the editor. Usually it works 
> perfectly.
>
> I include the problematic part of the score. It is certainly not a MWE but it 
> works for me and it shows the problem. It also shows that its origin does not 
> ly in the previous bars.
>
> Thanks again for your interest.
>
> Best regards,
> Robert
>
>
>
> On 3 Jun 2020, at 14:14, Valentin Villenave  wrote:
>
> On 6/3/20, Robert Blackstone  wrote:
>
> I’m vainly struggling with a weird spacing problem
>
>
> Hi Robert,
> Unless you post some code, it’s gonna be difficult to help you. You
> should first double check your source files in case there’s some
> \override affecting the DotColumn object somewhere?
>
> Cheers,
> -- V.
>
>

Hi Robert,

there are a lot unrelated warnings cluttering the log.
I'd not use pitched rests but normal rests with an override for
staff-position. Also, \voiceXxx
Though, that's unrelated.

The culprit seems to be your
\override NoteColumn.X-offset = #-4
(and some forgotten(?) \once ... )

A minimal would be:
<< { \once \override NoteColumn.X-offset = #-4 d'2. } { \voiceThree b4 } >>

The negative X-offset will push all other stuff to the left including the dots.


Cheers,
  Harm



Makes no sense to me

RE: A weird spacing problem

2020-06-03 Thread Mark Stephen Mrotek

Robert,

 

When I set piano four part I let Lilypond do all the work.

I have taken the liberty of recoding the section using four-part voicing.

 

Mark

 

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To: Valentin Villenave 
Cc: Lilypond-User Mailing List 
Subject: Re: A weird spacing problem

 

Hi Valentin, 

 

Thanks for your interest in my problem

 

The piece, as you can see in the screenshot, is a piano score with two voices 
in each staff and occasionally a third voice by << { } \\ { } >> or 
\partcombine.

I triple-checked my source code, first by hiding successively each voice, and 
see what happens, and then to comment out and successively reopen all lines, 55 
in each voice,  in my score. Compared with the original everything is OK except 
the passage (only 3 bars) shown in the screenshot. Thereafter, in the last 7 
bars of the piece everything is again perfect.

  

Overall there are several instances where I needed "\once \override NoteColumn 
#'force-hshift = #x" , and a few "\once\override NoteColumn.X-offset = #x”.

 

I use LilyPond 2_19_83-1 with TeXShop as the editor. Usually it works perfectly.

 

I include the problematic part of the score. It is certainly not a MWE but it 
works for me and it shows the problem. It also shows that its origin does not 
ly in the previous bars.

 

Thanks again for your interest.

\version "2.19.49"

\header {
}

\new PianoStaff <<
   \new Staff = "upper" <<
 \time 3/4
 \key c \major
 \new Voice = "soprano"
 { \voiceOne \relative c'' {
   fis,8 r
   \once \override NoteColumn.force-hshift = #2.2
   \once \override Accidental.X-extent = #'(1 . 0)
   \once \override Accidental.extra-offset = #'(3 . 0)
   fis!2 |
   fis2.~ | fis8 f d2 |
   }
 }
 
 \new Voice = "alto"
 { \voiceTwo \relative c'' {
   8 r
   
   4 ( |
c b~) | b2. |
}
 }  
 
   >>
   \new Staff = "lower" <<
 \time 3/4
 \key c \major
 \clef bass
 \new Voice = "tenor"
 { \voiceOne \relative c {
   s2. | f4 a gis | s2. |
}
 }
 
 \new Voice = "bass"
 { \voiceTwo \relative c {
   8 d\rest 2 |
   ees2. |  |
   }
   
 }
   >>

 >>
 
\layout {
 indent = #0
   }


%{
convert-ly.py (GNU LilyPond) 2.19.80  convert-ly.py: Processing `'...
Applying conversion: 2.19.2, 2.19.7, 2.19.11, 2.19.16, 2.19.22,
2.19.24, 2.19.28, 2.19.29, 2.19.32, 2.19.40, 2.19.46, 2.19.49
%}


%{
convert-ly.py (GNU LilyPond) 2.19.80  convert-ly.py: Processing `'...
Applying conversion: The document has not been changed.
%}

Re: A weird spacing problem

2020-06-03 Thread Robert Blackstone

Hi Valentin, Thanks for your interest in my problemThe piece, as you can see in the screenshot, is a piano score with two voices in each staff and occasionally a third voice by << { }  \\ {  } >> or \partcombine.I triple-checked my source code, first by hiding successively each voice, and see what happens, and then to comment out and successively reopen all lines, 55 in each voice,  in my score. Compared with the original everything is OK except the passage (only 3 bars) shown in the screenshot. Thereafter, in the last 7 bars of the piece everything is again perfect.  Overall there are several instances where I needed "\once \override NoteColumn #'force-hshift = #x" , and a few "\once\override NoteColumn.X-offset = #x”.I use LilyPond 2_19_83-1 with TeXShop as the editor. Usually it works perfectly.I include the problematic part of the score. It is certainly not a MWE but it works for me and it shows the problem. It also shows that its origin does not ly in the previous bars.Thanks again for your interest.

Horizontal-spacing-problem_ly.tex
Description: Binary data
Best regards,RobertOn 3 Jun 2020, at 14:14, Valentin Villenave  wrote:On 6/3/20, Robert Blackstone  wrote:I’m vainly struggling with a weird spacing problemHi Robert,Unless you post some code, it’s gonna be difficult to help you. Youshould first double check your source files in case there’s some\override affecting the DotColumn object somewhere?Cheers,-- V.

Re: A weird spacing problem

2020-06-03 Thread Valentin Villenave

On 6/3/20, Robert Blackstone  wrote:
> I’m vainly struggling with a weird spacing problem

Hi Robert,
Unless you post some code, it’s gonna be difficult to help you. You
should first double check your source files in case there’s some
\override affecting the DotColumn object somewhere?

Cheers,
-- V.

A weird spacing problem

2020-06-03 Thread Robert Blackstone

Dear all,

I’m vainly struggling with a weird spacing problem that I’ve never seen before: 
the dot belonging to, for instance, c’2. is widely separated from the note 
itself. (See screenshot).
In this section the horizontal note spacing  is also rather capricious. ( \time 
3/4 for the entire piece. No problems until bar 46 - and after bar 49 unti the 
end (bar 55 )

I’ve no idea what could have caused this.

And I’ll be very grateful for any suggestion.

Best regards, 

Robert Blackstone

Re: A spacing problem

2019-07-05 Thread Andrew Bernard

Hi Robert,

That's really interesting. You use a TeX editor for lilypond, presumably
for syntax highlighting and checking? I had some vague idea lilypond was
loosely based on TeX in the original days, but I did not think it is
compatible now. I though the '\' notation was the only surviving
archaeological DNA fragment.

I use vim with point and click in Ubuntu. When you get it all up and
running and add snippet packages and so on, it is a pleasure to use. As a
long time emacs user, I find the present emacs lilypond mode is very buggy
and effectively unusable, for me anyway, and messes up indenting quite
badly. A pity. Although I have used emacs forever, I have never spent time
coding emacs, so it's not really my area to fix it. With a little love from
some kind developer, that would also e a very good environment.

On your point re compiling - Frescobaldi is not compiling, it's lilypond.
So that is a curious thing. Perhaps you lilypond command settings in
Frescobaldi are different to what you set up in TeXShop.

Andrew

On Fri, 5 Jul 2019 at 23:00, Robert Blackstone 
wrote:

>
> BTW, I use TeXShop for my input and I am very happy with it. For several
> reasons I never liked Frescobaldi. TeXShop  accepts my little tricks and It
> is more forgiving than Frescobaldi. As an example, the present
> “problem-score” is compiled by TeXShop in a few seconds. Frescobaldi does
> not compile it at all for some error that I don’t understand and which
> TeXShop ignores.
>
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Re: A spacing problem

2019-07-05 Thread Robert Blackstone

Hi Andrew,

Thanks for your comment and advice.

Am I using barchecks on every bar? Yes, I do.  Every bar in my score ends with 
| followed by the bar-number . (For example : g’1 |%P1V1-5) 

BTW, I use TeXShop for my input and I am very happy with it. For several 
reasons I never liked Frescobaldi. TeXShop  accepts my little tricks and It is 
more forgiving than Frescobaldi. As an example, the present “problem-score” is 
compiled by TeXShop in a few seconds. Frescobaldi does not compile it at all 
for some error that I don’t understand and which TeXShop ignores. 

In the present case the console in TeXShop gives a lot of warnings about 
missing barchecks but these warnings exclusively concern the lyrics. They don’t 
affect the compilation of the score.
When I comment out the Lyrics Voice in the score the problem is still there, in 
one bar only (I could solve the three others by adding and/or displacing line 
breaks.)  

Anyway, thanks again for your interest in my problem.

Best regards,
Robert Blackstone 

> On 5 Jul 2019, at 10:22 , Andrew Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Hi Robert, I know this is like computer phone support asking you if the modem 
> is plugged in and turned out, but are you using barchecks on every bar? Saves 
> a multitude of problems.
> 
> May I make the polite suggestion that it is very often, in my experience, the 
> act of making an MWE, even if difficult, that many times resolves the problem 
> for you? Or at least a binary chop approach?
> 
> You could mail me the score if it is not secret and I will look at it for you 
> also.
> 
> 
> Andrew
> 
> 

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Re: A spacing problem

2019-07-05 Thread Andrew Bernard

Hi Robert, I know this is like computer phone support asking you if the
modem is plugged in and turned out, but are you using barchecks on every
bar? Saves a multitude of problems.

May I make the polite suggestion that it is very often, in my experience,
the act of making an MWE, even if difficult, that many times resolves the
problem for you? Or at least a binary chop approach?

You could mail me the score if it is not secret and I will look at it for
you also.


Andrew
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Re: A spacing problem

2019-07-05 Thread Robert Blackstone

Hi Ben,
Thanks for your quick response.
And my apologies for my late reaction.

I would have included an MWE if I had believed that I could somehow demonstrate 
the problem with it, but I'm convinced that it is sort of a mass action inside 
my score.

I could perhaps have sent you the complete score but I don’t think that’s a 
good idea. To give some impression: here is a brief description:  Upper staff a 
vocal Voice with Lyrics, Lower staff a Bass Voice with BC-figures.  \time 4/4 
with a few changes to 8/4. Somewhere  down the stretch of it I had to add for 
two adjacent bars a third voice in the bass line. The score has 82 bars in four 
sections, the first three ending with a double bar-line, the final one with the 
usual  \bar “|.” .

After sending my question to the list I continued my trouble-shooting and I 
succeeded in getting rid of 3 of my 4 problem-spots by introducing and/or some 
line breaks.
The remaining one has resisted my efforts till now.

Best regards,
Robert Blackstone 

> On 4 Jul 2019, at 13:58 , Ben  <mailto:soundsfromso...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> On 7/4/2019 7:45 AM, Robert Blackstone wrote:
>> Dear all,
>> 
>> Presently I’m vainly struggling with a nasty spacing problem: an empty 
>> fragment of a new bar sticking out of the last bar of a system. 
>> Dear all,
>> 
>> Presently I’m vainly struggling with a nasty spacing problem: an empty 
>> fragment of a new bar sticking out of the last bar of a system. 
>> In the piece I’ve been working on it happens 4 times. (See screenshots) 
>> I have carefully checked the note durations in each bar and there seems to 
>> be nothing wrong with any of them.
>> 
>> What can I do to avoid or remedy this?
>> 
>> I’ll be very grateful for any advice.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> Robert Blackstone 
>> 
>> > .png>
>> 
>> 
>> NB in the third screenshot with the text “ohi-me v’apri”, the  b-flat in the 
>> bass belongs to a separate voice. (<< {\stemDown as,2 des2 }  \\ {s2. 
>> \stemUp bes4  } >> |%P2V1-30}
>> 
> 
> Hi Robert,
> 
> I noticed you included some inline images in your email. Would it be possible 
> for you to share some of your code so we can see what you have going on? 
> Maybe a tiny example? 
> It's not easy to tell from just the images. 
> Thanks!
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Re: A spacing problem

2019-07-04 Thread Ben


On 7/4/2019 7:45 AM, Robert Blackstone wrote:

Dear all,

Presently I’m vainly struggling with a nasty spacing problem: an empty 
fragment of a new bar sticking out of the last bar of a system.

Dear all,

Presently I’m vainly struggling with a nasty spacing problem: an empty 
fragment of a new bar sticking out of the last bar of a system.

In the piece I’ve been working on it happens 4 times. (See screenshots)
I have carefully checked the note durations in each bar and there 
seems to be nothing wrong with any of them.


What can I do to avoid or remedy this?

I’ll be very grateful for any advice.

Best regards,
Robert Blackstone


NB in the third screenshot with the text “ohi-me v’apri”, the  b-flat 
in the bass belongs to a separate voice. (<< {\stemDown as,2 des2 } 
 \\ {s2. \stemUp bes4  } >> |%P2V1-30}




Hi Robert,

I noticed you included some inline images in your email. Would it be 
possible for you to share some of your code so we can see what you have 
going on? Maybe a tiny example?


It's not easy to tell from just the images.

Thanks!

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A spacing problem

2019-07-04 Thread Robert Blackstone

Dear all,

Presently I’m vainly struggling with a nasty spacing problem: an empty fragment 
of a new bar sticking out of the last bar of a system. 
Dear all,

Presently I’m vainly struggling with a nasty spacing problem: an empty fragment 
of a new bar sticking out of the last bar of a system. 
In the piece I’ve been working on it happens 4 times. (See screenshots) 
I have carefully checked the note durations in each bar and there seems to be 
nothing wrong with any of them.

What can I do to avoid or remedy this?

I’ll be very grateful for any advice.

Best regards,
Robert Blackstone 




NB in the third screenshot with the text “ohi-me v’apri”, the  b-flat in the 
bass belongs to a separate voice. (<< {\stemDown as,2 des2 }  \\ {s2. \stemUp 
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clef spacing problem with staff scaling

2017-10-22 Thread musicus


Dear all,

I have a problem with spacing a small snippet of music. Of course I 
could manually add some extra space each time after the Clef, but I 
wonder if there is a better solution.
In my opinion, this spacing behaviour should clearly adapt to the staff 
size...


Cheers,
musicus\version "2.19.65"

\score {
  \layout {
#(layout-set-staff-size 15)
  }
  \new Staff { g' a' }
}

\score {
  \new Staff { g' a' }
}

\score {
  \layout {
#(layout-set-staff-size 40)
  }
  \new Staff { g' a' }
}

\score {
  \layout {
#(layout-set-staff-size 80)
  }
  \new Staff { g' a' }
}


\score {
  \layout {
#(layout-set-staff-size 15)
  }
  \new Staff \with {
\remove Time_signature_engraver
  }{ g' a' }
}

\score {
  \new Staff \with {
\remove Time_signature_engraver
  }{ g' a' }
}

\score {
  \layout {
#(layout-set-staff-size 40)
  }
  \new Staff \with {
\remove Time_signature_engraver
  }{ g' a' }
}

\score {
  \layout {
#(layout-set-staff-size 80)
  }
  \new Staff \with {
\remove Time_signature_engraver
  }{ g' a' }
}
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Re: top-markup-spacing problem

2016-03-14 Thread Thomas Morley

2016-03-14 16:13 GMT+01:00 Sharon Rosner :
> Sharon Rosner wrote
>> Oh man, sorry for that!
>
> I should add that between my first and second message I've already found a
> possible workaround - adding an empty score using Devnull. But this solution
> is far from ideal as it confuses lilypond into using different sets of
> flexible vertical spacing values. So for example instead of
> mark-markup-spacing, it would score-markup-spacing etc.
>
> Sorry again for the confusion,
> Sharon
>



Hi Sharon,

I'd call it a bug, please report.

Here a smaller example:

\version "2.14.2" %% up to "2.19.38"

#(set-default-paper-size "a6")

\paper {
  annotate-spacing = ##t

  %% settings to ease comparability of pages:
  print-first-page-number = ##t
  oddHeaderMarkup = \markup \box \oddHeaderMarkup
  evenHeaderMarkup = \markup \box \evenHeaderMarkup
  bookTitleMarkup = \markup \fromproperty #'header:title

  %% #'-syntax to make it compile with v2.14
  top-markup-spacing #'basic-distance = 8
  top-markup-spacing #'minimum-distance = 8
  top-markup-spacing #'padding = 0 % negative padding to ignore skyline
  top-markup-spacing #'stretchability = 0 % fixed position
}

val = 5

%% header on first page
\header {
  title =
  \markup \box \line { "1 - Hey"  \with-color #red \draw-line #`(0 . ,val) }
}

\pageBreak

%% top-level markup on second page
\markup \box \line  { "2 - Hey"  \with-color #red \draw-line #`(0 . ,val) }


A possible workaround might be to topalign toplevel-markups:

#(define-markup-command (vup layout props arg)
  (markup?)
  (let* ((mol (interpret-markup layout props arg)))
(ly:stencil-aligned-to mol Y UP)))

%% top-level markup on second page
\markup \vup \box \line  { "2 - Hey"  \with-color #red \draw-line #`(0 . ,val) }


Cheers,
  Harm

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Re: top-markup-spacing problem

2016-03-14 Thread Sharon Rosner

Sharon Rosner wrote
> Oh man, sorry for that!

I should add that between my first and second message I've already found a
possible workaround - adding an empty score using Devnull. But this solution
is far from ideal as it confuses lilypond into using different sets of
flexible vertical spacing values. So for example instead of
mark-markup-spacing, it would score-markup-spacing etc.

Sorry again for the confusion,
Sharon



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Re: top-markup-spacing problem

2016-03-14 Thread Sharon Rosner

> … missing …
> 
>> attached files
> 
> :-) Simon

Oh man, sorry for that!

Sharon



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Re: top-markup-spacing problem

2016-03-14 Thread Simon Albrecht


On 14.03.2016 15:53, Sharon Rosner wrote:

The


… missing …


attached files


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top-markup-spacing problem

2016-03-14 Thread Sharon Rosner

Hi all,

I’ve run into a problem when setting top-markup-spacing. When the markup is a 
score title, lilypond uses the basic-distance as the distance between the top 
margin and the top of the markup. When manually adding a top-level markup, 
however, the distance is calculated between the top margin and the base-line of 
the markup. The attached files show the problem (notice the difference between 
the positions of the titles on pages 1 & 2).

Is this a bug? Would there be any way to override this (apparently incorrect) 
behaviour?

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Chord names vertical spacing problem (since 2.14?)

2012-05-02 Thread Chani

Hello,

I have a problem with the vertical spacing of multiple lines containing 
only chord names. 
They used to be very close to each other, now it seems that it
leaves a 
blank vertical space between lines (as if there was a staff in between).
I think (but I might be wrong) that it only happens since 
I have updated to 2.14.2.

Here is a tiny example :

\chords {
  c4:min f:min7
  \break
  c4:min f:min7
}


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Re: Chord names vertical spacing problem (since 2.14?)

2012-05-02 Thread Keith OHara

Chani chani.xy at gmail.com writes:

 I have a problem with the vertical spacing of multiple lines containing 
 only chord names. 
 They used to be very close to each other, now it seems that it
 leaves a 
 blank vertical space between lines 

That is true. Vertical spacing was re-written for 2.14.
It seems that the old 'between-system-space' was ignored between 
systems with no staves, just lyrics and chord names.  Was there
any way to adjust the spacing between lines?

The new 'system-system-spacing' is included between lines of chord
names, but the default is inappropriately large. You can reduce it:

\paper {system-system-spacing #'basic-distance = #5 
system-system-spacing #'minimum-distance = #0 }





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Re: single part spacing problem

2010-08-17 Thread Xavier Scheuer

2010/8/17 胡海鹏 - Hu Haipeng hhpmu...@163.com:

 Hello,
   When I extract the timpani part from my overture (I have not made
 cues), a fatal problem comes--spacing issues.  No matter what staff
 size I set, the warning couldn't fit music on page always appears.
 How to sove it?

Hi!

There used to be spacing issues couldn't fit music on page
(I personally reported a few of them), but they are all solved now
(IIRC).

I see you are using 2.13.24, where these bugs were present.
Please upgrade to 2.13.30, the result is fine with this version.

Cheers,
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Re:Re: single part spacing problem

2010-08-17 Thread 胡海鹏 - Hu Haipeng

Thanks. But when I used 30, my full score was fattened from 34 pages to 38, and 
there are many warnings saying (de)crescendo too small, in fact they are not 
small; and a programming error in harp part in 2.13.24 increased to several: 
no note heads for the line spanner on neighbor line? Confused.
  Anyway, I'll try the single part now.

Regards
Haipeng

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single part spacing problem

2010-08-16 Thread 胡海鹏 - Hu Haipeng

Hello,
  When I extract the timpani part from my overture (I have not made cues), a 
fatal problem comes--spacing issues. No matter what staff size I set, the 
warning couldn't fit music on page always appears. How to sove it?
Regards
Haipeng
a simplified version (without rehearsal and top texts)
  \version 2.13.24
crpap = {
  \set crescendoText = \markup { \italic Cresc. poco a poco }
  \set crescendoSpanner = #'text
  \override DynamicTextSpanner #'style = #'dotted-line
}
offCr = {
  \unset crescendoText
  \unset crescendoSpanner
  \revert DynamicTextSpanner #'style
}
  timpani = \relative c {
\clef bass \key c \major \time 4/4
  % introduction
  % initial, bars 1-6
R1^3 in G, C  E |
\time 5/4
r8 \repeat tremolo 12 c32\mp\ \repeat tremolo 12 c c8\!\f r4 |
\time 4/4
R1 |
\time 5/4
r8 \repeat tremolo 12 e32\mp\ \repeat tremolo 12 e e8\!\f r4 |
\repeat tremolo 24 g,32\p\ \repeat tremolo 16 g |
c8-\!\f r^E to D r4 r r2 |
  % part 1
  % rehearsal 1, bars 7-20
\time 9/8 R1*9/8*3 |
\time 5/4 R1*5/4*3 |
g4.\mf d'4 g,4. d'4 |
g,8\mp\ d' g, d' g, d' g, d' g, g- |
\time 9/8
c4.-\!\sf^D to F g4\f g16 g g g c8 g- |
c4.- g4 c16 c c c g8 g- |
c4.- g4 \repeat tremolo 4 c32\p\ \repeat tremolo 12 c |
\time 5/4
f8-\!\sf^C to D r r4 r8 \repeat tremolo 8 f32\mp\ f8\!\f r4 |
r \repeat tremolo 8 f32\mp\ f8\!\f r r2 |
r2 d16\mf d d8 d16\f d d8-\sf r4\fermata \bar ||
  % rehearsal 2, bars 21-37
R1*5/4*9^G to A, F to E |
\repeat tremolo 12 a32\mf e'4 a,4. a4 |
d4. a4\ d4. d4\!\p |
R1*5/4*6^A to Bb, D to B, F to Eb |
  % rehearsal 3, bars 38-51
\time 3/4
R2.*7 |
r2 r8 b\f |
\time 5/4
ees4. bes4\mf ees4. bes4 |
ees4.\ bes4 ees4. bes4 |
ees4.\!\f bes4 ees4.^to E b4 |
e4. b4 e4.\ e4\! |
R1*5/4^Bb to G, E to D |
d4\mf\ d8 d d d4 d8 d d |
  % rehearsal 4, bars 52-65
\time 9/8
g,4.\!\f d'4 d16 d d d g,8 d'- |
g,4.- d'4 g,16 g g g d'8 d- |
g,4. d'4 d16 d d d g,8 d'- |
g,4.- d'4 g,16 g g g d'8 d- |
g,16 g g g g8 d'16 d d d d8 g,16 g g g g8 |
d'4 d8 g,4 d'8 d4 d8 |
\repeat tremolo 24 g,32\ \repeat tremolo 12 g |
\repeat tremolo 24 g \repeat tremolo 12 g |
\repeat tremolo 24 g \repeat tremolo 12 g |
\repeat tremolo 24 g\!\p \repeat tremolo 12 g |
g8 r r r4 r8 r4 r8 |
\time 5/4
g16 g g8 g g g g16 g g8 g g g |
g16\ g g8 g g g g r2 |
g4\!\pp^B to Bb, D to Eb r r r2\fermata \bar ||
  % part 2
  % rehearsal 5, bars 66-82
\key ees \major \time 4/4
R1*17 |
  % rehearsal 6, bars 83-108
R1*15 |
\repeat tremolo 24 ees'32\p\ ees8- ees-\! |
\tag #'score {  { \repeat tremolo 32 bes32 } \\ { s8\f s\mp\ s2 s4\! } 
 | }
\tag #'midi {  { \repeat tremolo 64 bes64 } \\ { s8\f s\mp\ s2 s4\! }  
| }
ees4\f r r2 | R1*7 |
\tag #'score {  { \repeat tremolo 32 g,32- } \\ { s2.\mf\ s4\p }  | }
\tag #'midi {  { \repeat tremolo 64 g64- } \\ { s2.\mf\ s4\p }  | }
  % rehearsal 7, bars 109-120
R1*5^Bb to C, Eb to D | R1^\fermataMarkup |
R1*3 |
\tag #'score { \repeat tremolo 32 g32-\p |
  \repeat tremolo 32 g\ |
  \repeat tremolo 32 g\fermata\!\pp \bar || }
  \tag #'midi { \repeat tremolo 64 g64-\p |
  \repeat tremolo 64 g\ |
  \repeat tremolo 64 g\fermata\!\pp \bar || }
  % part 3
  % rehearsal 8, bars 121-130
\key c \major \time 3/4
\repeat tremolo 24 g32 |
\repeat tremolo 24 g |
\repeat tremolo 24 g |
\repeat tremolo 24 g |
\time 4/4
\repeat tremolo 32 g\cresc |
\repeat tremolo 32 g |
\time 3/4
\repeat tremolo 24 g |
\repeat tremolo 24 g |
\time 5/4
\repeat tremolo 24 g-\f\ \repeat tremolo 16 g |
c8-\!\sf r r4 r r2 |
  % rehearsal 9, bars 131-146
\time 9/8 R1*9/8*3 |
\time 5/4 R1*5/4*3 |
g4.\mf d'4 g,4. d'4 |
g,8\mp\ d' g, d' g, d' g, d' g, g- |
\time 9/8
c4.-\!\sf^D to F g4\f g16 g g g c8 g- |
c4.- g4 c16 c c c g8 g- |
c4.- g4 \repeat tremolo 4 c32\p\ \repeat tremolo 12 c |
\time 5/4
f8-\!\sf r r4 r8 \repeat tremolo 8 f32\mp\ f8\!\f r4 |
r \repeat tremolo 8 f32\mp\ f8\!\f r r4 r8 \repeat tremolo 4 c32\mp\ |
\repeat tremolo 4 c c8\!\f r4 r \repeat tremolo 8 c32\mp\ c8\!\f r |
r2 r4 r8 g16\mf g g8 g16\f g |
g8-\sf r r4 r r2 |
  % rehearsal 10, bars 147-167
R1*5/4*8 |
f'4.\mf c4 f4. c4 |
R1*5/4 | R1*5/4 |
c4. g4 c4. g4 |
R1*5/4 | R1*5/4 |
f'4.\mp\cresc c4 f4.^to D c4 |
d4. d4 g,8\!\f d'\mf\ d d g, |
c4\!\f r r r2 | R1*5/4 |
g4.\mp\cresc g4 c4. c4 |
c4. c4 d4 d8- d- d- |
\tag #'score { \repeat tremolo 24 g,32\!\sf\ \repeat tremolo 16 g \bar 
|| }
\tag #'midi { \repeat unfold 10 g\!\sf\ \repeat unfold 10 g \repeat unfold 
10 g \repeat unfold 10 g \bar || }
  % coda
  % rehearsal 11, bars 168-188
\time 3/4
\repeat tremolo 24 g\!\pp |
\repeat tremolo 24 g |
\repeat tremolo 24 g |
\repeat tremolo 24 g |
\repeat tremolo 24

Re: vertical spacing problem

2010-05-17 Thread Marek Klein

Thank you for the solution!
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2010/5/17 -Eluze elu...@gmail.com



 Marek Klein wrote:
 
  Hi,
  I have problem with the attached vocal score and I couldn't reproduce it
  with tiny example...
 
 
 
 i added 2 more options,  maybe these could help:

 \paper {
 %   page-count = 2
  ragged-bottom = ##f
  ragged-last-bottom = ##f
 }


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vertical spacing problem

2010-05-16 Thread Marek Klein

Hi,
I have problem with the attached vocal score and I couldn't reproduce it
with tiny example...

I get 2-paged layout
http://gregoriana.sk/gg/wp-content/uploads/lasso-qui_manducat2v1.pdf
with the next to last row commented out (\markup),
There seems to be lot of space at the bottom of the second page, but if I
add the \markup, output is on 3 pages
http://gregoriana.sk/gg/wp-content/uploads/lasso-qui_manducat2v2.pdf
\version 2.13.19

Is this a bug?

Marek
\version 2.13.19

#(set-global-staff-size 16.5)
date = #(strftime %Y-%m-%d (localtime (current-time)))

\header{
  composer= \markup \center-column {Orlando di Lasso \small (1532 - 1594)}
  title=Communio: Qui manducat
  copyright= \markup {Marek Klein, gregoriana.sk,  \date}
}

%5
global={
  \key f \major
  %\autoBeamOff
}
%%%
MusicSopranA = \relative c''{
  R1 R1 R1 |
  r2 c2 | c2( d | e) e( | d) d | c c~ |
  %str141
  c e( | g2. ) g4 | g2 e( | f e4 f |
  f8 e d2 cis8  b |  cis d4  cis!8) d2~ | d r4 c | bes a( b c~ |
  c4  b) c2~ | c r4 g | a8( bes c a bes c d4~ | d c) d bes |
  %142
  a2 a | r r4 d~( | d8 c d e f4. e16 d | c8 bes c4) bes d~( |
  d8 c c2)  b4 | c a c d~ | d  cis d2 | r4 c c c~ | c c c2 |
  r4 c4.(  b16 a  b!4) | c1 | c2. g4 | a1\fermata \bar |. |
}
MusicAlt = \relative c'' {
  R1 R1 R1 |
  g2 g( | a4. g8 f e d4) | g g2( c4~ | c bes8 a bes4) bes | a2 g |
  %str141
  c,2 c' | c4 c c8( g c4~ | c8  b16 a  b!4) c c~ | c bes g a~( |
  a8 g16 f g4) a2 | r4 a bes2 | a4.( bes8 c4) g~( | g8 f e f g4) a
  g4.( f8 e f g4) | a2 g | r2 r4 d | a' a f f~ |
  %142
  f4 c r2 | r a'2( | bes) a~ | a f4 d |
  a'4( g8 f g2) | r a | a4 a2 g4 | g2 g | a g4 a |
  a2 r4 d, | g a2( g4~ | g8 f f2) e4 | f1\fermata |
}
MusicTenorA = \relative c' {
  c2 c~( | c4 d2) e4~ | e e4.( d8 c4~ |
  c4)  b c c~ | c a2 f4 | r g c2 | g1 | R1 |
  %str141
  e'2( g~ | g4) g g2 | g,4. g8 g'2 | a4 f r2 |
  r2 e2 | e( g) | d( e | d4 c d2) |
  d2( c) | R1 | e2 g | e( d) |
  %142
  r4 f4.( e8 d4) | c( bes a2) | g r | R1 |
  R1 | e'2( f | e d | e c) | c r4 c |
  c2( d | c) c~ | c1~ | c1\fermata |
}
MusicTenorB = \relative c' {
  R1 R1 | c2 c( |
  d2 e4. d16 e | f4 c2  b4) | c2 e( | g2.) g4 | e f4.( e16 d e8 f |
  %141
  g8 a g4. f8 e d | e1) | d2 r4 c~ | c d e c |
  d2 r | a2 g4 g'~( | g8 f16 e f4) g2 | r2 r4 f4 |
  d4 g4.( f8 e d | e c f2 e8 d | c2) d4 bes | a2( bes) |
  %142
  c4 a d8( e f g | a4) d, r2 | r4 d4.( c8 d e | f4 e8 f d e f g |
  f8 e d c d2) | c( a) | r4 a2 b4 | c4.( d8 e4) e | f( e8 d e4) e |
  f2 g4.( f8 | e4) f f, g | a2 g4. g8 | f1\fermata |
}
MusicBas = \relative c {
  r2 f | f( g | a) a( | 
  g) r4 c, | f4.( e8 d2) | c1 | R1 | a'2( c~ |
  %str141
  c4) c c2~ | c1 | r2 c( | a4 bes c a |
  bes2) a | R1 | r2 c2 | g4 a( g f) |
  g2 r | a c | a( g) | R1 |
  %142
  f2 d4.( e8 | f4 g2  fis4) | g2 r | a2( bes) |
  a2( g) | a4.( g8 f4 d) | a'2 fis4 g | c,2 r4 c | f8( g a bes c bes a g |
  f8 g a4) g g | c, f2 e4 | f2 c | f1\fermata |
}
%%%
TextSopranA = \lyricmode { 
  et bi -- bit, et bi -- bit san -- gui -- nem me -- um, 
  in me ma -- net, 
  et e -- go in e -- o, 
  di -- cit Do -- mi -- nus,
  di -- cit Do -- mi -- nus,
  di -- cit Do -- mi -- nus,
  di -- cit Do -- mi -- nus. 
}
TextAlt = \lyricmode { 
  et bi -- bit san -- gui -- nem me -- um, 
  san -- gui -- nem me -- um, 
  san -- gui -- nem me -- um, 
  in me ma -- net, 
  in me ma -- net, 
  et e -- go in e -- o, 
  di -- cit Do -- mi -- nus,
  di -- cit Do -- mi -- nus,
  di -- cit Do -- mi -- nus,
  di -- cit Do -- mi -- nus. 
}
TextTenorA = \lyricmode { 
  et bi -- bit san -- gui -- nem, 
  et bi -- bit, 
  et bi -- bit san -- gui -- nem,
  san -- gui -- nem me -- um, 
  in me ma -- net, 
  et e -- go in e -- o, 
  di -- cit Do -- mi -- nus. 
}
TextTenorB = \lyricmode { 
  et bi -- bit san -- gui -- nem me -- um,
  san -- gui -- nem me -- um, 
  in me ma -- net, 
  in me ma -- net, 
  et e -- go in e -- o, 
  di -- cit,
  di -- cit Do -- mi -- nus,
  di -- cit Do -- mi -- nus,
  di -- cit Do -- mi -- nus. 
}
TextBas = \lyricmode { 
  et bi -- bit, et bi -- bit san -- gui -- nem me -- um, 
  in me ma -- net, 
  et e -- go in e -- o, 
  di -- cit,
  di -- cit Do -- mi -- nus,
  di -- cit Do -- mi -- nus,
  di -- cit Do -- mi -- nus. 
}
%%%
\book {
\score {
 
  \new ChoirStaff 

  \new Voice = sopran {
\set Staff.instrumentName = Sopran 
\set Staff.shortInstrumentName = S 
 \global \MusicSopranA }
  \new Lyrics \lyricsto sopran { \TextSopranA }
  \new Voice = alt {
\set Staff.instrumentName = Alt 1 
\set Staff.shortInstrumentName = A1 
 \global \MusicAlt }
  \new Lyrics \lyricsto alt { \TextAlt }
  \new Voice = tenora {
\set Staff.instrumentName = Alt 2 
\set Staff.shortInstrumentName = A2 
\clef G

Re: vertical spacing problem

2010-05-16 Thread -Eluze



Marek Klein wrote:
 
 Hi,
 I have problem with the attached vocal score and I couldn't reproduce it
 with tiny example...
 
 
 
i added 2 more options,  maybe these could help:

\paper {
%   page-count = 2
  ragged-bottom = ##f 
  ragged-last-bottom = ##f
}

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Re: Lyrics spacing problem - overlapping syllables

2009-01-29 Thread Graham Percival

On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 11:03:13PM +0100, Mats Bengtsson wrote:

 Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool) wrote:
 Now taking a second look, I don't think it's a bug, only a limitation  
 of the lyrics engraving procedure: it doesn't take notes into acount,  
 only resolves lyrics overlapping (when two syllables would overlap.)

 Well, if the limitation leads to undesired output, then why not
 call it a bug?

He's probably using the Offical Bug-LilyPond Terminology (tm),
which states that problems which require extra code are missing
features, whereas problems in existing code are bugs.  (where
5-line fixes are still considered no extra code.  Or something
like that)

It's taken years for this to catch on, so don't complain about it
now!  :)

Cheers,
- Graham


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Re: Lyrics spacing problem - overlapping syllables

2009-01-29 Thread Jiri Zurek (Prague)

Yes, I knew that warning and inserting the spacing item padding was the first
thing which I tried. However, without any success - the insertion of the
line
\once \override Score.SeparationItem #'padding = #3
into the music is ignored by the spacing engine. Using still the same
example as above, the code here replaces only the variable notyOKriste:

notyOKriste = \relative c' {\time 12/8 a'4 c8 a4 g8 f4 e8 f4. c'4 d8 f4 e8
d4 bes8 c4 c8 d4 c8 a4 d,8 f16[ \melisma e d8 c] \melismaEnd
\once \override Score.SeparationItem #'padding = #3
d4. \bar || }

I am rather new to Lilypond and therefore I always try to think first that
the error is on my side - perhaps I am inserting the separationitem code
into wrong place...?
However, the syllable alignment which overlaps the neighboring note problem
is most probably a bug: since the code of the lyric spacing is already
present in Lilypond, and since it does not produce the desired output, I
still think this issue qualifies as a bug in the strict sense of the word.

I tried also the trick with the null markup on the last note of the melisma
with the melisma ending just the note before as suggested by Mats, but this
code does not work on my setup. During the compilation, the Lilypond stops
at the line Analysing... and produces nothing (but still giving no error).
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Re: Lyrics spacing problem - overlapping syllables

2009-01-29 Thread Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool)

You could also try to put invisible but non breaking spaces as a 
syllable, aligned to the left:

   

Bert

Jiri Zurek (Prague) wrote:

Yes, I knew that warning and inserting the spacing item padding was the first
thing which I tried. However, without any success - the insertion of the
line 
\once \override Score.SeparationItem #'padding = #3

into the music is ignored by the spacing engine. Using still the same
example as above, the code here replaces only the variable notyOKriste:

notyOKriste = \relative c' {\time 12/8 a'4 c8 a4 g8 f4 e8 f4. c'4 d8 f4 e8 
d4 bes8 c4 c8 d4 c8 a4 d,8 f16[ \melisma e d8  c] \melismaEnd 
\once \override Score.SeparationItem #'padding = #3

d4. \bar || }


I am rather new to Lilypond and therefore I always try to think first that
the error is on my side - perhaps I am inserting the separationitem code
into wrong place...? 
However, the syllable alignment which overlaps the neighboring note problem

is most probably a bug: since the code of the lyric spacing is already
present in Lilypond, and since it does not produce the desired output, I
still think this issue qualifies as a bug in the strict sense of the word. 


I tried also the trick with the null markup on the last note of the melisma
with the melisma ending just the note before as suggested by Mats, but this
code does not work on my setup. During the compilation, the Lilypond stops
at the line Analysing... and produces nothing (but still giving no error).
  





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Re: Lyrics spacing problem - overlapping syllables

2009-01-29 Thread Mats Bengtsson




Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool) wrote:
You could also try to put invisible but non breaking spaces as a 
syllable, aligned to the left:

   
That's more or less what I proposed in my earlier reply to this thread. 
Take a look at it again.


   /Mats


Bert

Jiri Zurek (Prague) wrote:
Yes, I knew that warning and inserting the spacing item padding was 
the first

thing which I tried. However, without any success - the insertion of the
line \once \override Score.SeparationItem #'padding = #3
into the music is ignored by the spacing engine. Using still the same
example as above, the code here replaces only the variable notyOKriste:

notyOKriste = \relative c' {\time 12/8 a'4 c8 a4 g8 f4 e8 f4. c'4 d8 
f4 e8 d4 bes8 c4 c8 d4 c8 a4 d,8 f16[ \melisma e d8  c] \melismaEnd 
\once \override Score.SeparationItem #'padding = #3

d4. \bar || }


I am rather new to Lilypond and therefore I always try to think first 
that

the error is on my side - perhaps I am inserting the separationitem code
into wrong place...? However, the syllable alignment which overlaps 
the neighboring note problem

is most probably a bug: since the code of the lyric spacing is already
present in Lilypond, and since it does not produce the desired output, I
still think this issue qualifies as a bug in the strict sense of the 
word.
I tried also the trick with the null markup on the last note of the 
melisma
with the melisma ending just the note before as suggested by Mats, 
but this
code does not work on my setup. During the compilation, the Lilypond 
stops
at the line Analysing... and produces nothing (but still giving no 
error).
 




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Re: Lyrics spacing problem - overlapping syllables

2009-01-28 Thread Jiri Zurek (Prague)


After reading some more threads about the lyrics alignment, I have got the
impression, that the problem of a syllable overlapping with the last note(s)
of the preceding melisma could be solved by adding an extender to the
melismatic syllable. The extender should last up to low c of the last bar of
the music. Strangely enough, this does not help, as the extender does not
extend up to the last note of the melisma (c), but it is cut off before (on
a d already), possibly by the next syllable extend. This looks as suggesting
that the syllable -mme should be sung not on the last note (d) only, but
already on the note preceding it (on the c). This is unexpected behavior and
I am starting to think that this might be a bug in the Lilypond. Am I right?

This is the same example as above, but with the extender added to the
melisma-syllable:

\version 2.12.1

\paper {
#(set-paper-size b5)
line-width = 14.6\cm
indent = 0.0
ragged-right = ##t
ragged-last = ##t
  
  }

notyOKriste = \relative c' {\time 12/8 a'4 c8 a4 g8 f4 e8 f4. c'4 d8 f4 e8
d4 bes8 c4 c8 d4 c8 a4 d,8 f16[ \melisma e d8 c] \melismaEnd d4. \bar || }

oKriste = \lyricmode { Ó Kri -- ste do -- bro -- ti -- vý, na nás vel -- mi
na -- las --
  ka -- vý, čímť se o -- pla -- tí __ mme? }

\score {
  
\new Voice = cantus {
  \notyOKriste
}
\new Lyrics 
  \lyricsto cantus {
  \oKriste
  }
  

\layout {
  \context { 
\Score
\remove Bar_number_engraver

  }
  \context {
\Lyrics
\consists Separating_line_group_engraver
%aby lyrika nesla do taktovych car.
\consists Bar_engraver
\override BarLine #'transparent = ##f

%\override LyricSpace #'minimum-distance = #3.0
  }
}
} 

  end of the musical example

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Re: Lyrics spacing problem - overlapping syllables

2009-01-28 Thread Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool)

Lyrics syllables should not overlap in any case, LilyPond should 
automatically increase the note dinstance if needed. So it seems to me 
as a bug.


Bert

Jiri Zurek (Prague) wrote:

After reading some more threads about the lyrics alignment, I have got the
impression, that the problem of a syllable overlapping with the last note(s)
of the preceding melisma could be solved by adding an extender to the
melismatic syllable. The extender should last up to low c of the last bar of
the music. Strangely enough, this does not help, as the extender does not
extend up to the last note of the melisma (c), but it is cut off before (on
a d already), possibly by the next syllable extend. This looks as suggesting
that the syllable -mme should be sung not on the last note (d) only, but
already on the note preceding it (on the c). This is unexpected behavior and
I am starting to think that this might be a bug in the Lilypond. Am I right?

This is the same example as above, but with the extender added to the
melisma-syllable:

\version 2.12.1

\paper {
#(set-paper-size b5)
line-width = 14.6\cm
indent = 0.0
ragged-right = ##t
ragged-last = ##t
  
  }


notyOKriste = \relative c' {\time 12/8 a'4 c8 a4 g8 f4 e8 f4. c'4 d8 f4 e8
d4 bes8 c4 c8 d4 c8 a4 d,8 f16[ \melisma e d8 c] \melismaEnd d4. \bar || }

oKriste = \lyricmode { Ó Kri -- ste do -- bro -- ti -- vý, na nás vel -- mi
na -- las --
  ka -- vý, čímť se o -- pla -- tí __ mme? }

\score {
  
\new Voice = cantus {
  \notyOKriste
}
\new Lyrics 
  \lyricsto cantus {

  \oKriste
  }
  

\layout {
  \context { 
\Score

\remove Bar_number_engraver

  }

  \context {
\Lyrics
\consists Separating_line_group_engraver
%aby lyrika nesla do taktovych car.
\consists Bar_engraver
\override BarLine #'transparent = ##f

%\override LyricSpace #'minimum-distance = #3.0

  }
}
} 


  end of the musical example

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Re: Lyrics spacing problem - overlapping syllables

2009-01-28 Thread James E. Bailey



Am 28.01.2009 um 13:19 schrieb Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool):

Lyrics syllables should not overlap in any case, LilyPond should  
automatically increase the note dinstance if needed. So it seems to  
me as a bug.




It's a known issue in section 2.1.3. Melismata are not detected  
automatically, and extender lines must be inserted by hand.



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Re: Lyrics spacing problem - overlapping syllables

2009-01-28 Thread James E. Bailey



Am 28.01.2009 um 13:28 schrieb James E. Bailey:



Am 28.01.2009 um 13:19 schrieb Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool):

Lyrics syllables should not overlap in any case, LilyPond should  
automatically increase the note dinstance if needed. So it seems  
to me as a bug.




It's a known issue in section 2.1.3. Melismata are not detected  
automatically, and extender lines must be inserted by hand.


Oh wow, I feel dumb. This is something completely different. There  
actually isn't any overlap. The text mme? is centered under the  
notehead, as it should be, but because it's so long a syllable, I'm  
guessing he wants the note moved to the right, so that the text could  
not be considered to be part of the preceding note. In that case, I  
would suggest, \once \override LyricText #'self-alignment-X = #-1.  
The text won't be centered under the notehead, but padding a notehead  
is beyond my ability. And it's what I would do if it bothered me.



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Re: Lyrics spacing problem - overlapping syllables

2009-01-28 Thread Jiri Zurek (Prague)


Indeed, my problem is completely different than automatic insertion of
extenders. Indeed, I want Lilypond that it adds some padding automatically
to the notehead whenever there is long syllable under it, so that the
physical extent of the printed letters of that syllable does not overlap
with neighboring notes. If it overlaps, then it might wrongly suggest to the
singer, that the syllable belongs to a different notehead than it is ment to
belong. 
The left-aligned lyrics is not a solution (it is only a dirty solution)
since what I am aiming at is vowel-centered alignment in all cases (
http://www.nabble.com/Lyrics---align-first-vowel-of-a-syllable-under-the-notehead-td21600612.html
as I suggest in another thread ). So, I still think it is a bug. If there is
no disagreement, I will put this into bug announcements forum. But I will
wait for a couple of days because someone can still come correcting my view.
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Re: Lyrics spacing problem - overlapping syllables

2009-01-28 Thread Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool)

Now taking a second look, I don't think it's a bug, only a limitation of 
the lyrics engraving procedure: it doesn't take notes into acount, only 
resolves lyrics overlapping (when two syllables would overlap.)


You should change the alignment of the syllable a bit (not to the left, 
but like 0.3 or some other fraction)


Bert

Jiri Zurek (Prague) wrote:

Indeed, my problem is completely different than automatic insertion of
extenders. Indeed, I want Lilypond that it adds some padding automatically
to the notehead whenever there is long syllable under it, so that the
physical extent of the printed letters of that syllable does not overlap
with neighboring notes. If it overlaps, then it might wrongly suggest to the
singer, that the syllable belongs to a different notehead than it is ment to
belong. 
The left-aligned lyrics is not a solution (it is only a dirty solution)

since what I am aiming at is vowel-centered alignment in all cases (
http://www.nabble.com/Lyrics---align-first-vowel-of-a-syllable-under-the-notehead-td21600612.html
as I suggest in another thread ). So, I still think it is a bug. If there is
no disagreement, I will put this into bug announcements forum. But I will
wait for a couple of days because someone can still come correcting my view.
  





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Re: Lyrics spacing problem - overlapping syllables

2009-01-28 Thread Mats Bengtsson




Bertalan Fodor (LilyPondTool) wrote:
Now taking a second look, I don't think it's a bug, only a limitation 
of the lyrics engraving procedure: it doesn't take notes into acount, 
only resolves lyrics overlapping (when two syllables would overlap.)

Well, if the limitation leads to undesired output, then why not
call it a bug?

One possible workaround is to insert an invisible syllable at the
last note of the mellisma (or rather to shorten the mellisma by
one note and add the invisible syllable to the end note of the
true mellisma):

\version 2.12.1

\paper {
   #(set-paper-size b5)
   line-width = 14.6\cm
   indent = 0.0
   ragged-right = ##t
   ragged-last = ##t
 
 }


notyOKriste = \relative c' {\time 12/8 a'4 c8 a4 g8 f4 e8 f4. c'4 d8 f4 e8
d4 bes8 c4 c8 d4 c8 a4 d,8 f16[ \melisma e d8 \melismaEnd c] d4. \bar || }

oKriste = \lyricmode { Ó Kri -- ste do -- bro -- ti -- vý, na nás vel -- mi
na -- las --
 ka -- vý, čímť se o -- pla -- tí -- \markup \null mme? }

\score {
 
   \new Voice = cantus {
 \notyOKriste
   }
   \new Lyrics 
 \lyricsto cantus {

 \oKriste
 }
 

\layout {
 \context { 
   \Score

   \remove Bar_number_engraver
   
 }

 \context {
   \Lyrics
   \consists Separating_line_group_engraver
   %\override LyricSpace #'minimum-distance = #3.0
 }
}
}


/Mats




You should change the alignment of the syllable a bit (not to the 
left, but like 0.3 or some other fraction)


Bert

Jiri Zurek (Prague) wrote:

Indeed, my problem is completely different than automatic insertion of
extenders. Indeed, I want Lilypond that it adds some padding 
automatically

to the notehead whenever there is long syllable under it, so that the
physical extent of the printed letters of that syllable does not 
overlap
with neighboring notes. If it overlaps, then it might wrongly suggest 
to the
singer, that the syllable belongs to a different notehead than it is 
ment to
belong. The left-aligned lyrics is not a solution (it is only a 
dirty solution)

since what I am aiming at is vowel-centered alignment in all cases (
http://www.nabble.com/Lyrics---align-first-vowel-of-a-syllable-under-the-notehead-td21600612.html 

as I suggest in another thread ). So, I still think it is a bug. If 
there is
no disagreement, I will put this into bug announcements forum. But I 
will
wait for a couple of days because someone can still come correcting 
my view.





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Re: Lyrics spacing problem - overlapping syllables

2009-01-28 Thread Mats Bengtsson


James E. Bailey wrote:


... padding a notehead is beyond my ability. And it's what I would do 
if it bothered me.
See Known issues and warnings of 
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.12/Documentation/user/lilypond/Horizontal-spacing-overview#Horizontal-spacing-overview


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Lyrics spacing problem - overlapping syllables

2009-01-26 Thread Jiri Zurek (Prague)


Please, look at the last note of the piece: the last syllable of the
following piece (-mme) is overlapping with the melisma preceding it. How
to instruct Lilypond to make some more room for the syllable to shift it
away from the foregoing ending melisma? I tried the Spacing lyrics from
the Documentation but it is not helpful since the LyricSpace
#'minimum-distance affects only the space between words and not between the
syllables of the same word. For this reason, I removed the minimum-distance
line from the layout. Also, I do not think it is Lyric spacing (or Lyrics
padding) problem, rather, it is the problem of music spacing: the Lilypond
should be aware of the fact that there is longer syllable under the given
notehead. The notehead should be padded from both sides to make the whole
syllable to fit so that the syllable does not extend under the adjacent
noteheads.

\version 2.12.1

\paper {
#(set-paper-size b5)
line-width = 14.6\cm
indent = 0.0
ragged-right = ##t
ragged-last = ##t
  
  }

notyOKriste = \relative c' {\time 12/8 a'4 c8 a4 g8 f4 e8 f4. c'4 d8 f4 e8
d4 bes8 c4 c8 d4 c8 a4 d,8 f16[ \melisma e d8 c] \melismaEnd d4. \bar || }

oKriste = \lyricmode { Ó Kri -- ste do -- bro -- ti -- vý, na nás vel -- mi
na -- las --
  ka -- vý, čímť se o -- pla -- tí -- mme? }

\score {
  
\new Voice = cantus {
  \notyOKriste
}
\new Lyrics 
  \lyricsto cantus {
  \oKriste
  }
  

\layout {
  \context { 
\Score
\remove Bar_number_engraver

  }
  \context {
\Lyrics
\consists Separating_line_group_engraver
%\override LyricSpace #'minimum-distance = #3.0
  }
}
}
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