Re: [LincolnTalk] community center

[Sara Mattes]

Can we first understand the needs of seniors.
What activities exist, what can/should be added?
I would urge all to spend at least 1/2 day at Bemis to better understand what 
is currently going on.
Activities and appointments are happening there the entire day that the front 
door is open.
Look at the COA newsletter.
It appears in EVERY Lincoln mailbox, monthly.

Many of these ideas are very interesting and deserve further exploration.
I am not sure that we can have a private tai service/shuttle bus to go to each 
individual household that needs transport.
But, maybe that’s feasible.

But, before we explore further, , let us understand what are our needs and 
where do places exist that might serve them.

Sara Mattes
71 Conant 
(Per Lynne Smith’s request that we attach name and address to each post)



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> On Oct 26, 2022, at 7:49 PM, Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln 
>  wrote:
> 
> $200k sounds roughly accurate.
> 
> I personally like the idea of a town shuttle that would perhaps make the 
> “rounds” 3-4 times a day on a schedule to Donelean’s, Bemis, Town Hall, the 
> School/pods, the library, etc…
> 
> Then activities for seniors would start being planned around the shuttle 
> schedule..
> 
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone 
> 
> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 7:30 PM, Lynne Smith  wrote:
> 
> Can someone estimate the cost of a full time driver (9-5) and an all- 
> electric car or shuttle bus? eg., Salary plus benefits: $100k; ev shuttle: 
> $100k. So $200K total? Or we could use Uber vouchers as some senior living 
> facilities do. 
> 
> Just another way of solving parking and driving problems.
> 
> Lynne Smith
> 5 Tabor Hill Road
> Lincoln, MA 01773
> 781-258-1175
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 26 Oct 2022, at 7:02 p.m., Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  Well said!
>> 
>> And for significantly less money we can invest in a contract for a shuttle 
>> bus to provide transportation to all of these locations:) 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone 
>> 
>> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 6:53 PM, Karla Gravis 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks everyone for the thoughtful discussion.
>> 
>> Andy, I think Seth's post is only talking about the cost of renovating one 
>> pod, the pod allocated to LEAP in the new CC designs. There is simply no 
>> need to renovate all three pods. Right now they are in fact underutilized. 
>> My understanding is that they are used for the following activities:
>> LEAP.
>> Summer Camp.
>> Parks and Rec activities taking place after school (the vast majority).
>> A few Parks and Rec activities happening during school hours.
>> As and office for all three (3) PRD employees.
>> #1,2 and 3 could be hosted in the school as they do not overlap with school 
>> hours. It would be duplicative to renovate the Pods when we have a perfectly 
>> fine school right next to it. #5 requires very little space and could be 
>> done either at the school or Town Offices, which only leaves #4 uncovered. 
>> An entire pod is probably much more space than we actually need for #4, so 
>> the $1.6MM figure is probably an overstatement.
>> 
>> I still have not heard any CC proponent respond to Joanna and Yonca's 
>> eloquent pleas. What will it accomplish that cannot be done with the 
>> existing resources?
>> 
>> As the initial post explained, towns our size simply do not build Community 
>> Centers. There are many ways to foster intergenerational commingling, which 
>> to be clear is a worthwhile goal, but building very expensive empty rooms is 
>> not one of them. Intergenerational commingling happens when there is a 
>> common purpose that brings everyone together, not as a result of a new 
>> building. We already have facilities where those activities can be done if 
>> people are willing to organize them. If people want to host a book club, 
>> they can use the library with the help of our amazing librarians, if they 
>> want to play sports, they can use Reed Gym, if they want to put on a play or 
>> have a town debate they can use the Donaldson Auditorium.
>> 
>> Our town already has the most onerous property taxes in the region. Elevated 
>> property taxes are causing financial hardship, which is why the town 
>> approved the senior circuit breaker. Let us try to keep that in mind when we 
>> are talking about a project that would increase property taxes thousands of 
>> dollars a year.
>> 
>> 
>> From: Andy Wang mailto:andyrw...@gmail.com>>
>> Date: Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 2:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] community center
>> To: Seth Rosen mailto:rosen...@gmail.com>>
>> Cc: Lincoln Talk mailto:lincoln@lincolntalk.org>>
>> 
>> 
>> Seth,
>> 
>> Just to be fair in the comparison, according to the presentation in the 
>> Spring (reference here 
>> ),
>>  the cost of renovation of

Re: [LincolnTalk] a note to you about the land at Mt. Misery

[Megan McCoy]

Wow!! What foresight and love hearing the hindsight.
Thank you both for all your hard work feeding so many of us such delicious
vegetables for nearly 30 YEARS!!!

Celebration time!!?

On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 10:02 PM Diana Smith 
wrote:

> i think it is an amazing story and I am so grateul to Ari and Moira for
> their investing in the land and making a big effort to learn about soils.
> Not many farmers would do what they have done.
> Diana Smith
>
> On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 4:57 PM Nancy Fleming 
> wrote:
>
>> Moira and Ari - I’m so glad that you shared this story. I wasn’t aware of
>> the history of the land before you arrived many decades ago. We are so
>> grateful for your certified organic farm, and for your wise and responsible
>> stewardship of the land over all those years. To me, it is one of the most
>> beautiful corners in all of Lincoln.
>>
>> With gratitude,
>> Nancy Fleming
>>
>>
>> > On Oct 26, 2022, at 3:04 PM, Lindentreefarm Csa <
>> lindentree...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Years ago  (in the late 80's)when I met Ari, the farm fields of Mt.
>> Misery were being farmed by someone other than LIndentree Farm. There are
>> two stories that stand out in my mind from that period.  One, Ari had made
>> a case and won, against using certain pesticides on the land of Mt. Misery
>> in particular. Two, this happened because he was told to stay in his house
>> and close the windows when they sprayed pesticides for the current
>> vegetable field, could have been pumpkins, peppers, sweet corn.
>> > It is hard to imagine that at one time it would have been unsafe to
>> actually walk across the Mt. Misery Fields as we do now, that the water in
>> the surrounding ponds would be full of pesticide, and that the soil from
>> which the food was coming would also carry with it the imprint of those
>> pesticides in the soil.
>> > We started Lindentree as a certified organic farm at the inception in
>> 1993.  In 2016 we were inspected for chemicals, a test which was done
>> unannounced. It is part of the organic inspection and very extensive with
>> testing for around 350 chemical pesticides and fungicides and
>> herbicides...the results came back and there were no traces of any one of
>> the chemicals tested for.  It is an impressive list. The crop and the soil
>> were to all intents and purposes, clean.
>> > And then again this year, we were selected again for this exercise.  A
>> crop was taken as a sample and tested in the same way.  Extensively.  Once
>> again, there was not a trace found of any of the long list of chemicals...
>> > So now you know you can enjoy your walk or ride, and not worry if your
>> dog is eating the grass or that the air around you is polluted in some way
>> from the farming that goes on on these fields.  And if you choose, you can
>> enjoy the food. Our goal was to take care of the land and produce healthy,
>> tasty veggies.  I think we did.
>> > Thank you
>> > Moira
>> > Lindentree Farm
>> > Lincoln MA
>> >
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Re: [LincolnTalk] a note to you about the land at Mt. Misery

[Diana Smith]

i think it is an amazing story and I am so grateul to Ari and Moira for
their investing in the land and making a big effort to learn about soils.
Not many farmers would do what they have done.
Diana Smith

On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 4:57 PM Nancy Fleming  wrote:

> Moira and Ari - I’m so glad that you shared this story. I wasn’t aware of
> the history of the land before you arrived many decades ago. We are so
> grateful for your certified organic farm, and for your wise and responsible
> stewardship of the land over all those years. To me, it is one of the most
> beautiful corners in all of Lincoln.
>
> With gratitude,
> Nancy Fleming
>
>
> > On Oct 26, 2022, at 3:04 PM, Lindentreefarm Csa 
> wrote:
> >
> > Years ago  (in the late 80's)when I met Ari, the farm fields of Mt.
> Misery were being farmed by someone other than LIndentree Farm. There are
> two stories that stand out in my mind from that period.  One, Ari had made
> a case and won, against using certain pesticides on the land of Mt. Misery
> in particular. Two, this happened because he was told to stay in his house
> and close the windows when they sprayed pesticides for the current
> vegetable field, could have been pumpkins, peppers, sweet corn.
> > It is hard to imagine that at one time it would have been unsafe to
> actually walk across the Mt. Misery Fields as we do now, that the water in
> the surrounding ponds would be full of pesticide, and that the soil from
> which the food was coming would also carry with it the imprint of those
> pesticides in the soil.
> > We started Lindentree as a certified organic farm at the inception in
> 1993.  In 2016 we were inspected for chemicals, a test which was done
> unannounced. It is part of the organic inspection and very extensive with
> testing for around 350 chemical pesticides and fungicides and
> herbicides...the results came back and there were no traces of any one of
> the chemicals tested for.  It is an impressive list. The crop and the soil
> were to all intents and purposes, clean.
> > And then again this year, we were selected again for this exercise.  A
> crop was taken as a sample and tested in the same way.  Extensively.  Once
> again, there was not a trace found of any of the long list of chemicals...
> > So now you know you can enjoy your walk or ride, and not worry if your
> dog is eating the grass or that the air around you is polluted in some way
> from the farming that goes on on these fields.  And if you choose, you can
> enjoy the food. Our goal was to take care of the land and produce healthy,
> tasty veggies.  I think we did.
> > Thank you
> > Moira
> > Lindentree Farm
> > Lincoln MA
> >
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[LincolnTalk] FREE iHealth Antigen Test Kids Available from the Town

[Dan Pereira]

Once again, the Town has a supply of *FREE iHealth Antigen Rapid Test
Kits for residents who are syptomatic or have been in close contact with
COVID-19**.  *Supplies are limited to 1 box (2 tests) per person in your
household.

*Test kits can be picked up Monday through Friday between the hours of
10:00 AM and 3:00 PM* at the following locations:

   - the *Select Board Office* inside Town Hall
   - the *Council On Aging and Human Services Office* inside Bemis Hall

*Test kits may also be picked up 7 days per week, 24 hours per day at:*

   - the dispatch window inside the p*ublic safety building*

*PLEASE NOTE:* these kits currently expire in January, but expiration dates
are being continually reevaluated. Each box has a barcode for you to scan
and receive updated expiration info!


__

Daniel Pereira

Assistant Town Administrator

Town of Lincoln, MA

www.Lincolntown.org 



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C (781) 389-0280

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[LincolnTalk] Please Donate Diapers to Help Area Families in Need

[Kim Jalet]

Dear Neighbors,

There's still time to donate to the Metro-Boston Diaper Drive. Help us
reach our goal of getting 70,000 diapers onto local babies!
https://www.amazon.com/baby-reg/kerstin-sinkevicius-kim-jalet-october-2022-medford/1CT4U7NV15QUK.
You can also give via mbdiapers.org. Thank you to everyone who has already
given (at last count, we had 20,938 diapers), and please spread the word!

All the best, Kim Jalet, Brooks Road
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[LincolnTalk] Thanksgiving at the food pantry

[Ursula Nowak]

[image: SVdPTurkeyTin2022FB.jpeg]

This is an unprecedented time of uncertainty and need.  Thanksgiving will
be more difficult than usual for many of our neighbors.  And because our
distributor is unable to supply turkeys this year, we made the decision to
do something that will appeal to everyone.  Our community’s support is more
important than ever.



To find out more and to sign up, please click here
.



Thank you and may you have a blessed Thanksgiving!

Karen and Ursula



Karen Salvucci, president

Ursula Nowak

Society of St. Vincent de Paul of Lincoln and Weston

www.svdplincolnweston.org

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Re: [LincolnTalk] community center

[Debra Daugherty]

I'd just like to mention that Lincoln's property tax rate is not out of
keeping with our neighbors and has even come down over the past two years:

2019 1.403%
2020 1.536%
2021 1.552%
2022 1.493%
2023 1.392%

Yes, some towns have lower rates (Weston 2022 1.281%, Lexington 2022
1.380%), but others have higher rates (Carlisle is down to 1.65% in 2022
from 1.836% in 2020, Acton is down to 1.945% in 2022 from 2.023% in 2021).

If our tax rate were to increase by 9% (in 2024?) from 1.392%, then it
would be back up to 1.52%.

Just wanted to put some numbers out there. Not taking a position regarding
the CC.

On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 7:31 PM Lynne Smith  wrote:

> Can someone estimate the cost of a full time driver (9-5) and an all-
> electric car or shuttle bus? eg., Salary plus benefits: $100k; ev shuttle:
> $100k. So $200K total? Or we could use Uber vouchers as some senior living
> facilities do.
>
> Just another way of solving parking and driving problems.
>
> Lynne Smith
> 5 Tabor Hill Road
> Lincoln, MA 01773
> 781-258-1175
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 26 Oct 2022, at 7:02 p.m., Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln <
> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>
>  Well said!
>
> And for significantly less money we can invest in a contract for a shuttle
> bus to provide transportation to all of these locations:)
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
>
> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 6:53 PM, Karla Gravis <
> karlagra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks everyone for the thoughtful discussion.
>
> Andy, I think Seth's post is only talking about the cost of renovating
> *one* pod, the pod allocated to LEAP in the new CC designs. There is
> simply no need to renovate all three pods. Right now they are in fact
> underutilized. My understanding is that they are used for the following
> activities:
>
>1. LEAP.
>2. Summer Camp.
>3. Parks and Rec activities taking place after school (the vast
>majority).
>4. A few Parks and Rec activities happening during school hours.
>5. As and office for all three (3) PRD employees.
>
> #1,2 and 3 could be hosted in the school as they do not overlap with
> school hours. It would be duplicative to renovate the Pods when we have a
> perfectly fine school right next to it. #5 requires very little space and
> could be done either at the school or Town Offices, which only leaves #4
> uncovered. An entire pod is probably much more space than we actually need
> for #4, so the $1.6MM figure is probably an overstatement.
>
> I still have not heard any CC proponent respond to Joanna and Yonca's
> eloquent pleas. What will it accomplish that cannot be done with the
> existing resources?
>
> As the initial post explained, towns our size simply do not build
> Community Centers. There are many ways to foster intergenerational
> commingling, which to be clear is a worthwhile goal, but building very
> expensive empty rooms is not one of them. Intergenerational commingling
> happens when there is a common purpose that brings everyone together, not
> as a result of a new building. We already have facilities where those
> activities can be done if people are willing to organize them. If people
> want to host a book club, they can use the library with the help of our
> amazing librarians, if they want to play sports, they can use Reed Gym, if
> they want to put on a play or have a town debate they can use the Donaldson
> Auditorium.
>
> Our town already has the most onerous property taxes in the region.
> Elevated property taxes are causing financial hardship, which is why the
> town approved the senior circuit breaker. Let us try to keep that in mind
> when we are talking about a project that would increase property taxes
> thousands of dollars a year.
>
>
> From: *Andy Wang* 
> Date: Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 2:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] community center
> To: Seth Rosen 
> Cc: Lincoln Talk 
>
>
> Seth,
>
> Just to be fair in the comparison, according to the presentation in the
> Spring (reference here
> ),
> the cost of renovation of the 3 pods from the CCPPDC report was originally
> estimated at $3-3.9 Million.  Updated in 2021 to $3.8 - $5.3M and projected
> to 2025 Projected Construction Mid-Point at $4.5-6.1 M.  Which is more like
> 20-26% on the low end.
>
> Also, several people have made this sound like it's just for CoA.  As
> proposed, this is supposed to be a 'Community Center' not just a 'Senior
> Center'.  So while you might consider the discussion of PRD with this as a
> conflation, others may not.  It may be an opportunity to use what I think
> are two under-utilized resources (the pods and Bemis) into one with more
> use.  At the same time, co-mingling diverse generational residents has
> shown to have a positive effect on all involved.  There may be other
> intangible benefits for a Community Center, you can't look at everything

Re: [LincolnTalk] community center

[Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln]

$200k sounds roughly accurate.
I personally like the idea of a town shuttle that would perhaps make the 
“rounds” 3-4 times a day on a schedule to Donelean’s, Bemis, Town Hall, the 
School/pods, the library, etc…
Then activities for seniors would start being planned around the shuttle 
schedule..


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 7:30 PM, Lynne Smith  wrote:

Can someone estimate the cost of a full time driver (9-5) and an all- electric 
car or shuttle bus? eg., Salary plus benefits: $100k; ev shuttle: $100k. So 
$200K total? Or we could use Uber vouchers as some senior living facilities do. 
Just another way of solving parking and driving problems.

Lynne Smith5 Tabor Hill RoadLincoln, MA 01773
781-258-1175Sent from my iPhone

On 26 Oct 2022, at 7:02 p.m., Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln 
 wrote:



Well said!
And for significantly less money we can invest in a contract for a shuttle bus 
to provide transportation to all of these locations:) 


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 6:53 PM, Karla Gravis  
wrote:

Thanks everyone for the thoughtful discussion.
Andy, I think Seth's post is only talking about the cost of renovating one pod, 
the pod allocated to LEAP in the new CC designs. There is simply no need to 
renovate all three pods. Right now they are in fact underutilized. My 
understanding is that they are used for the following activities:   
   - LEAP.
   - Summer Camp.
   - Parks and Rec activities taking place after school (the vast majority).
   - A few Parks and Rec activities happening during school hours.
   - As and office for all three (3) PRD employees.
#1,2 and 3 could be hosted in the school as they do not overlap with school 
hours. It would be duplicative to renovate the Pods when we have a perfectly 
fine school right next to it. #5 requires very little space and could be done 
either at the school or Town Offices, which only leaves #4 uncovered. An entire 
pod is probably much more space than we actually need for #4, so the $1.6MM 
figure is probably an overstatement.
I still have not heard any CC proponent respond to Joanna and Yonca's eloquent 
pleas. What will it accomplish that cannot be done with the existing resources?
As the initial post explained, towns our size simply do not build Community 
Centers. There are many ways to foster intergenerational commingling, which to 
be clear is a worthwhile goal, but building very expensive empty rooms is not 
one of them. Intergenerational commingling happens when there is a common 
purpose that brings everyone together, not as a result of a new building. We 
already have facilities where those activities can be done if people are 
willing to organize them. If people want to host a book club, they can use the 
library with the help of our amazing librarians, if they want to play sports, 
they can use Reed Gym, if they want to put on a play or have a town debate they 
can use the Donaldson Auditorium.
Our town already has the most onerous property taxes in the region. Elevated 
property taxes are causing financial hardship, which is why the town approved 
the senior circuit breaker. Let us try to keep that in mind when we are talking 
about a project that would increase property taxes thousands of dollars a year.


From: Andy Wang 
Date: Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] community center
To: Seth Rosen 
Cc: Lincoln Talk 


Seth,
Just to be fair in the comparison, according to the presentation in the Spring 
(reference here), the cost of renovation of the 3 pods from the CCPPDC report 
was originally estimated at $3-3.9 Million.  Updated in 2021 to $3.8 - $5.3M 
and projected to 2025 Projected Construction Mid-Point at $4.5-6.1 M.  Which is 
more like 20-26% on the low end.

Also, several people have made this sound like it's just for CoA.  As proposed, 
this is supposed to be a 'Community Center' not just a 'Senior Center'.  So 
while you might consider the discussion of PRD with this as a conflation, 
others may not.  It may be an opportunity to use what I think are two 
under-utilized resources (the pods and Bemis) into one with more use.  At the 
same time, co-mingling diverse generational residents has shown to have a 
positive effect on all involved.  There may be other intangible benefits for a 
Community Center, you can't look at everything from a financial side only 
(though, you can't ignore it either). 
In terms of renovation, I think Bemis and Pierce House, while lovely, are not 
ideal sites for either the CoA or a Community Center due to access, parking, 
physical layout of the spaces.  Pierce House is historic and I doubt a large 
renovation would fly there.  Bemis lacks parking and it doesn't appear like 
there is much room for expansion.  The pods really do need a renovation, if 
you've been in them, that should be pretty obvious.
I did go to a bunch of the Community Center discussions years ago and put my 
little blue dot on choices,

Re: [LincolnTalk] community center

[Lynne Smith]

Can someone estimate the cost of a full time driver (9-5) and an all- electric 
car or shuttle bus? eg., Salary plus benefits: $100k; ev shuttle: $100k. So 
$200K total? Or we could use Uber vouchers as some senior living facilities do. 

Just another way of solving parking and driving problems.

Lynne Smith
5 Tabor Hill Road
Lincoln, MA 01773
781-258-1175
Sent from my iPhone

> On 26 Oct 2022, at 7:02 p.m., Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln 
>  wrote:
> 
>  Well said!
> 
> And for significantly less money we can invest in a contract for a shuttle 
> bus to provide transportation to all of these locations:) 
> 
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 6:53 PM, Karla Gravis  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks everyone for the thoughtful discussion.
> 
> Andy, I think Seth's post is only talking about the cost of renovating one 
> pod, the pod allocated to LEAP in the new CC designs. There is simply no need 
> to renovate all three pods. Right now they are in fact underutilized. My 
> understanding is that they are used for the following activities:
> LEAP.
> Summer Camp.
> Parks and Rec activities taking place after school (the vast majority).
> A few Parks and Rec activities happening during school hours.
> As and office for all three (3) PRD employees.
> #1,2 and 3 could be hosted in the school as they do not overlap with school 
> hours. It would be duplicative to renovate the Pods when we have a perfectly 
> fine school right next to it. #5 requires very little space and could be done 
> either at the school or Town Offices, which only leaves #4 uncovered. An 
> entire pod is probably much more space than we actually need for #4, so the 
> $1.6MM figure is probably an overstatement.
> 
> I still have not heard any CC proponent respond to Joanna and Yonca's 
> eloquent pleas. What will it accomplish that cannot be done with the existing 
> resources?
> 
> As the initial post explained, towns our size simply do not build Community 
> Centers. There are many ways to foster intergenerational commingling, which 
> to be clear is a worthwhile goal, but building very expensive empty rooms is 
> not one of them. Intergenerational commingling happens when there is a common 
> purpose that brings everyone together, not as a result of a new building. We 
> already have facilities where those activities can be done if people are 
> willing to organize them. If people want to host a book club, they can use 
> the library with the help of our amazing librarians, if they want to play 
> sports, they can use Reed Gym, if they want to put on a play or have a town 
> debate they can use the Donaldson Auditorium.
> 
> Our town already has the most onerous property taxes in the region. Elevated 
> property taxes are causing financial hardship, which is why the town approved 
> the senior circuit breaker. Let us try to keep that in mind when we are 
> talking about a project that would increase property taxes thousands of 
> dollars a year.
> 
> 
> From: Andy Wang 
> Date: Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 2:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] community center
> To: Seth Rosen 
> Cc: Lincoln Talk 
> 
> 
> Seth,
> 
> Just to be fair in the comparison, according to the presentation in the 
> Spring (reference here), the cost of renovation of the 3 pods from the CCPPDC 
> report was originally estimated at $3-3.9 Million.  Updated in 2021 to $3.8 - 
> $5.3M and projected to 2025 Projected Construction Mid-Point at $4.5-6.1 M.  
> Which is more like 20-26% on the low end.
> 
> Also, several people have made this sound like it's just for CoA.  As 
> proposed, this is supposed to be a 'Community Center' not just a 'Senior 
> Center'.  So while you might consider the discussion of PRD with this as a 
> conflation, others may not.  It may be an opportunity to use what I think are 
> two under-utilized resources (the pods and Bemis) into one with more use.  At 
> the same time, co-mingling diverse generational residents has shown to have a 
> positive effect on all involved.  There may be other intangible benefits for 
> a Community Center, you can't look at everything from a financial side only 
> (though, you can't ignore it either). 
> 
> In terms of renovation, I think Bemis and Pierce House, while lovely, are not 
> ideal sites for either the CoA or a Community Center due to access, parking, 
> physical layout of the spaces.  Pierce House is historic and I doubt a large 
> renovation would fly there.  Bemis lacks parking and it doesn't appear like 
> there is much room for expansion.  The pods really do need a renovation, if 
> you've been in them, that should be pretty obvious.
> 
> I did go to a bunch of the Community Center discussions years ago and put my 
> little blue dot on choices, but those were all about features and things you 
> would love to have in a building.  There is a financial reality that wasn't 
> really discussed at the time (to my recollection, and at least not 
> concretely).  So, in general, I am

[LincolnTalk] Fairy wings for costume?

[Ruth Montero]

Size large or adult size? If you have any kicking around we'd love to
borrow or purchase!  Need them by Friday. Please reply directly. Thank you!

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Re: [LincolnTalk] community center

[Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln]

Well said!
And for significantly less money we can invest in a contract for a shuttle bus 
to provide transportation to all of these locations:) 


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On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 6:53 PM, Karla Gravis  
wrote:

Thanks everyone for the thoughtful discussion.
Andy, I think Seth's post is only talking about the cost of renovating one pod, 
the pod allocated to LEAP in the new CC designs. There is simply no need to 
renovate all three pods. Right now they are in fact underutilized. My 
understanding is that they are used for the following activities:   
   - LEAP.
   - Summer Camp.
   - Parks and Rec activities taking place after school (the vast majority).
   - A few Parks and Rec activities happening during school hours.
   - As and office for all three (3) PRD employees.
#1,2 and 3 could be hosted in the school as they do not overlap with school 
hours. It would be duplicative to renovate the Pods when we have a perfectly 
fine school right next to it. #5 requires very little space and could be done 
either at the school or Town Offices, which only leaves #4 uncovered. An entire 
pod is probably much more space than we actually need for #4, so the $1.6MM 
figure is probably an overstatement.
I still have not heard any CC proponent respond to Joanna and Yonca's eloquent 
pleas. What will it accomplish that cannot be done with the existing resources?
As the initial post explained, towns our size simply do not build Community 
Centers. There are many ways to foster intergenerational commingling, which to 
be clear is a worthwhile goal, but building very expensive empty rooms is not 
one of them. Intergenerational commingling happens when there is a common 
purpose that brings everyone together, not as a result of a new building. We 
already have facilities where those activities can be done if people are 
willing to organize them. If people want to host a book club, they can use the 
library with the help of our amazing librarians, if they want to play sports, 
they can use Reed Gym, if they want to put on a play or have a town debate they 
can use the Donaldson Auditorium.
Our town already has the most onerous property taxes in the region. Elevated 
property taxes are causing financial hardship, which is why the town approved 
the senior circuit breaker. Let us try to keep that in mind when we are talking 
about a project that would increase property taxes thousands of dollars a year.


From: Andy Wang 
Date: Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] community center
To: Seth Rosen 
Cc: Lincoln Talk 


Seth,
Just to be fair in the comparison, according to the presentation in the Spring 
(reference here), the cost of renovation of the 3 pods from the CCPPDC report 
was originally estimated at $3-3.9 Million.  Updated in 2021 to $3.8 - $5.3M 
and projected to 2025 Projected Construction Mid-Point at $4.5-6.1 M.  Which is 
more like 20-26% on the low end.

Also, several people have made this sound like it's just for CoA.  As proposed, 
this is supposed to be a 'Community Center' not just a 'Senior Center'.  So 
while you might consider the discussion of PRD with this as a conflation, 
others may not.  It may be an opportunity to use what I think are two 
under-utilized resources (the pods and Bemis) into one with more use.  At the 
same time, co-mingling diverse generational residents has shown to have a 
positive effect on all involved.  There may be other intangible benefits for a 
Community Center, you can't look at everything from a financial side only 
(though, you can't ignore it either). 
In terms of renovation, I think Bemis and Pierce House, while lovely, are not 
ideal sites for either the CoA or a Community Center due to access, parking, 
physical layout of the spaces.  Pierce House is historic and I doubt a large 
renovation would fly there.  Bemis lacks parking and it doesn't appear like 
there is much room for expansion.  The pods really do need a renovation, if 
you've been in them, that should be pretty obvious.
I did go to a bunch of the Community Center discussions years ago and put my 
little blue dot on choices, but those were all about features and things you 
would love to have in a building.  There is a financial reality that wasn't 
really discussed at the time (to my recollection, and at least not concretely). 
 So, in general, I am in support of a combined community center to house CoA 
and PNR on the school campus, but at the current scale, I'm undecided.

I'll air my issue with where we are in the movie though.  The vote at the end 
of Nov to allocate $325k for professional services is really looking to provide 
detailed breakdown of two very similar proposals.  The 'Infill of Pods' and the 
"Secondary Central Green' are estimated at $23-$24M and $24.3 - $25.4M (2025 
Midpoint Construction #'s) respectively.  I'm sure lots of folks may prefer one 
or the other for a variety of design reasons, but from a financial standpoint, 
they are a

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Re: [LincolnTalk] community center

[Fuat Koro]

Andy - as you highlighted, the November vote is around allocating $325K for
professional services for the two existing proposals. The study would give
us additional information on the **cost** side. Based on the recent LT
posts on the topic, I think there's eagerness to understand the **benefit**
side for the community. In the absence of that, interpretations range from
"It's a lavish COA" to "It's an indoor swimming pool" and a few others in
between as commenters struggle with the vision.

On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 2:18 PM Andy Wang  wrote:

> Seth,
>
> Just to be fair in the comparison, according to the presentation in the
> Spring (reference here
> ),
> the cost of renovation of the 3 pods from the CCPPDC report was originally
> estimated at $3-3.9 Million.  Updated in 2021 to $3.8 - $5.3M and projected
> to 2025 Projected Construction Mid-Point at $4.5-6.1 M.  Which is more like
> 20-26% on the low end.
>
> Also, several people have made this sound like it's just for CoA.  As
> proposed, this is supposed to be a 'Community Center' not just a 'Senior
> Center'.  So while you might consider the discussion of PRD with this as a
> conflation, others may not.  It may be an opportunity to use what I think
> are two under-utilized resources (the pods and Bemis) into one with more
> use.  At the same time, co-mingling diverse generational residents has
> shown to have a positive effect on all involved.  There may be other
> intangible benefits for a Community Center, you can't look at everything
> from a financial side only (though, you can't ignore it either).
>
> In terms of renovation, I think Bemis and Pierce House, while lovely, are
> not ideal sites for either the CoA or a Community Center due to access,
> parking, physical layout of the spaces.  Pierce House is historic and I
> doubt a large renovation would fly there.  Bemis lacks parking and it
> doesn't appear like there is much room for expansion.  The pods really do
> need a renovation, if you've been in them, that should be pretty obvious.
>
> I did go to a bunch of the Community Center discussions years ago and put
> my little blue dot on choices, but those were all about features and things
> you would love to have in a building.  There is a financial reality that
> wasn't really discussed at the time (to my recollection, and at least not
> concretely).  So, in general, I am in support of a combined community
> center to house CoA and PNR on the school campus, but at the current scale,
> I'm undecided.
>
> I'll air my issue with where we are in the movie though.  The vote at the
> end of Nov to allocate $325k for professional services is really looking to
> provide detailed breakdown of two very similar proposals.  The 'Infill of
> Pods' and the "Secondary Central Green' are estimated at $23-$24M and $24.3
> - $25.4M (2025 Midpoint Construction #'s) respectively.  I'm sure lots of
> folks may prefer one or the other for a variety of design reasons, but from
> a financial standpoint, they are about the same cost.  Both are lovely
> buildings, but my concern is that neither may pass the larger town vote.  I
> would have rather seen two separate proposals for a community center, one
> at the $12M range and one at the $24M range.  Actual cost just as an
> example.
>
> It's clear the next steps that happen if the vote passes.  What happens if
> the vote fails to pass?  Does that remove the possibility of having a
> community center or does that just put things back to the committee to come
> back again?  From my perspective, I'd much prefer a community center on a
> smaller scale, but also, I'd rather have one at the current proposal and be
> forced to pay, than not have one.  I'm just not sure which way to vote in
> that case.
>
> Andy
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 11:47 AM Seth Rosen  wrote:
>
>> Since some posters have mentioned it, we thought it would be helpful to
>> zero into how the Pods factor into the Community Center project and what we
>> think is the most rational path for the activities there.
>>
>> Neither of the existing currently proposed designs contemplates a new
>> home for LEAP, although I do agree with Diana that there are definitely
>> capital needs there.
>>
>> There are three pods. In both designs POD B would be LIGHTLY renovated
>> and stay as a standalone facility to host LEAP. In one of the designs the
>> two other pods would be torn down and in the other design they would be
>> incorporated into the Community Center.
>>
>> The cost of renovating the LEAP pod was estimated at $1.125MM in 2018,
>> using the same cost inflator used for the overall project, the updated cost
>> would be approximately $1.6MM, which corresponds to 6% of the total
>> Community Center project cost.
>>
>> We argue that the town has other public space to host the activities
>> hosted in the Pods today, if at some point in the future they are not
>> dee

Re: [LincolnTalk] community center

[Karla Gravis]

Thanks everyone for the thoughtful discussion.

Andy, I think Seth's post is only talking about the cost of renovating *one*
pod, the pod allocated to LEAP in the new CC designs. There is simply no
need to renovate all three pods. Right now they are in fact underutilized.
My understanding is that they are used for the following activities:

   1. LEAP.
   2. Summer Camp.
   3. Parks and Rec activities taking place after school (the vast
   majority).
   4. A few Parks and Rec activities happening during school hours.
   5. As and office for all three (3) PRD employees.

#1,2 and 3 could be hosted in the school as they do not overlap with school
hours. It would be duplicative to renovate the Pods when we have a
perfectly fine school right next to it. #5 requires very little space and
could be done either at the school or Town Offices, which only leaves #4
uncovered. An entire pod is probably much more space than we actually need
for #4, so the $1.6MM figure is probably an overstatement.

I still have not heard any CC proponent respond to Joanna and Yonca's
eloquent pleas. What will it accomplish that cannot be done with the
existing resources?

As the initial post explained, towns our size simply do not build Community
Centers. There are many ways to foster intergenerational commingling, which
to be clear is a worthwhile goal, but building very expensive empty rooms
is not one of them. Intergenerational commingling happens when there is a
common purpose that brings everyone together, not as a result of a new
building. We already have facilities where those activities can be done if
people are willing to organize them. If people want to host a book club,
they can use the library with the help of our amazing librarians, if they
want to play sports, they can use Reed Gym, if they want to put on a play
or have a town debate they can use the Donaldson Auditorium.

Our town already has the most onerous property taxes in the region.
Elevated property taxes are causing financial hardship, which is why the
town approved the senior circuit breaker. Let us try to keep that in mind
when we are talking about a project that would increase property taxes
thousands of dollars a year.


> From: Andy Wang 
> Date: Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 2:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] community center
> To: Seth Rosen 
> Cc: Lincoln Talk 
>
>
> Seth,
>
> Just to be fair in the comparison, according to the presentation in the
> Spring (reference here
> ),
> the cost of renovation of the 3 pods from the CCPPDC report was originally
> estimated at $3-3.9 Million.  Updated in 2021 to $3.8 - $5.3M and projected
> to 2025 Projected Construction Mid-Point at $4.5-6.1 M.  Which is more like
> 20-26% on the low end.
>
> Also, several people have made this sound like it's just for CoA.  As
> proposed, this is supposed to be a 'Community Center' not just a 'Senior
> Center'.  So while you might consider the discussion of PRD with this as a
> conflation, others may not.  It may be an opportunity to use what I think
> are two under-utilized resources (the pods and Bemis) into one with more
> use.  At the same time, co-mingling diverse generational residents has
> shown to have a positive effect on all involved.  There may be other
> intangible benefits for a Community Center, you can't look at everything
> from a financial side only (though, you can't ignore it either).
>
> In terms of renovation, I think Bemis and Pierce House, while lovely, are
> not ideal sites for either the CoA or a Community Center due to access,
> parking, physical layout of the spaces.  Pierce House is historic and I
> doubt a large renovation would fly there.  Bemis lacks parking and it
> doesn't appear like there is much room for expansion.  The pods really do
> need a renovation, if you've been in them, that should be pretty obvious.
>
> I did go to a bunch of the Community Center discussions years ago and put
> my little blue dot on choices, but those were all about features and things
> you would love to have in a building.  There is a financial reality that
> wasn't really discussed at the time (to my recollection, and at least not
> concretely).  So, in general, I am in support of a combined community
> center to house CoA and PNR on the school campus, but at the current scale,
> I'm undecided.
>
> I'll air my issue with where we are in the movie though.  The vote at the
> end of Nov to allocate $325k for professional services is really looking to
> provide detailed breakdown of two very similar proposals.  The 'Infill of
> Pods' and the "Secondary Central Green' are estimated at $23-$24M and $24.3
> - $25.4M (2025 Midpoint Construction #'s) respectively.  I'm sure lots of
> folks may prefer one or the other for a variety of design reasons, but from
> a financial standpoint, they are about the same cost.  Both are lovely
> buildings, but my concern is that neither may pass th

[LincolnTalk] Moving Grandfather Clock

[Sandra Bradlee]

Does anyone know who might move a grandfather clock? My clock person is no 
longer doing it.  
Thanks,
Sandy

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Re: [LincolnTalk] community center

[Sara Mattes]

Huzzah!
Yes-a needs assessment that is current and also a careful review of existing 
space utilization.
And, we need to lay out facilities based on constraints, legal, zoning and 
otherwise.
This information. already exists.
Many are already speculating about Bemis and Pierce House without the benefit 
of information.

I repeat myself- let us not spend a dollar on designs until there is an 
assessment that has been done in the last 3 years.
Please.
If such an assessment exists, can someone please circulate it far and wide so 
that we can have a better informed discussion.

And, to another point…a discomfort at a perceived hint of tone of resentment 
that this proposed space might be primarily for use by “seniors."
I moved here in 1976 and voted for school budgets long before I had kids in the 
schools.
Ten years, to be exact.
My last child left the public school in 2002.
I have been voting for and supporting the schools ever since.
I am part of 30% of the Lincoln population who is doing the same.
So, for the vast majority of my years on Lincoln, I pay for services I do not 
use.
And not only is that OK with me, I feel it is important to do so.
That is what makes an educated, civil society.
Just saying….
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> On Oct 26, 2022, at 4:53 PM, Seth Rosen  wrote:
> 
> Hi Andy - 
> 
> Please see below for responses inline, preceded by the ## sign.
> 
> -Seth
> 
> On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 2:18 PM Andy Wang  > wrote:
> Seth,
> 
> Just to be fair in the comparison, according to the presentation in the 
> Spring (reference here 
> ),
>  the cost of renovation of the 3 pods from the CCPPDC report was originally 
> estimated at $3-3.9 Million.  Updated in 2021 to $3.8 - $5.3M and projected 
> to 2025 Projected Construction Mid-Point at $4.5-6.1 M.  Which is more like 
> 20-26% on the low end.
> 
> ## The number referenced in my note was for the one pod which contains LEAP - 
> not all three pods.  It is not clear to me that all three pods would require 
> substantial renovation in order to continue being of service.  The LEAP pod 
> almost certainly does.  Whatever the requirements are, my overarching point 
> is that they are likely a "couple million dollar" problem.  Not a $25M 
> problem.  The real issue in my view is that the requirements need to be 
> revisited and reconciled with the available resources.
> 
> Also, several people have made this sound like it's just for CoA.  As 
> proposed, this is supposed to be a 'Community Center' not just a 'Senior 
> Center'.  So while you might consider the discussion of PRD with this as a 
> conflation, others may not. 
> 
> ## Well - to be fair.  The overwhelming majority of the contemplated use is 
> for the CoA. I would argue the other contemplated uses are superfluous or at 
> least could be solved more cost-effectively.  Others of course may disagree. 
> 
> It may be an opportunity to use what I think are two under-utilized resources 
> (the pods and Bemis) into one with more use.  At the same time, co-mingling 
> diverse generational residents has shown to have a positive effect on all 
> involved.  There may be other intangible benefits for a Community Center, you 
> can't look at everything from a financial side only (though, you can't ignore 
> it either). 
> 
> ## I respect this perspective.  Personally I disagree that this facility will 
> be an inter-generational meeting place, but I could very well be wrong about 
> that.  It may well have non-pecuniary benefits I don't fully appreciate.  
> While we could debate that point in good faith, my contention is it doesn't 
> matter much since the town simply can't afford to build a $25M+ facility.  We 
> do have $27M of "borrowing capacity" we could utilize -- but being able to 
> finance something is not the same thing as being able to afford something, in 
> my view.  It's simply imprudent.
> 
> In terms of renovation, I think Bemis and Pierce House, while lovely, are not 
> ideal sites for either the CoA or a Community Center due to access, parking, 
> physical layout of the spaces.  Pierce House is historic and I doubt a large 
> renovation would fly there.  Bemis lacks parking and it doesn't appear like 
> there is much room for expansion.  The pods really do need a renovation, if 
> you've been in them, that should be pretty obvious.
> 
> ## I think I could easily be convinced that the pods need attention (I'm 
> already convinced).   We both know what the LEAP building looks like and we 
> know that needs to change.  But here again, we're talking about a few million 
> dollar problem that doesn't require a $25M+ solution.
> 
> I did go to a bunch of the Community Center discussions years ago and put my 
> little blue dot on choices, but those were all about features and things you 
> would love to have in a building.  There is a financial reality that wasn't 
> really d

Re: [LincolnTalk] a note to you about the land at Mt. Misery

[Nancy Fleming]

Moira and Ari - I’m so glad that you shared this story. I wasn’t aware of the 
history of the land before you arrived many decades ago. We are so grateful for 
your certified organic farm, and for your wise and responsible stewardship of 
the land over all those years. To me, it is one of the most beautiful corners 
in all of Lincoln.

With gratitude,
Nancy Fleming


> On Oct 26, 2022, at 3:04 PM, Lindentreefarm Csa  
> wrote:
> 
> Years ago  (in the late 80's)when I met Ari, the farm fields of Mt. Misery 
> were being farmed by someone other than LIndentree Farm. There are two 
> stories that stand out in my mind from that period.  One, Ari had made a case 
> and won, against using certain pesticides on the land of Mt. Misery in 
> particular. Two, this happened because he was told to stay in his house and 
> close the windows when they sprayed pesticides for the current vegetable 
> field, could have been pumpkins, peppers, sweet corn.  
> It is hard to imagine that at one time it would have been unsafe to actually 
> walk across the Mt. Misery Fields as we do now, that the water in the 
> surrounding ponds would be full of pesticide, and that the soil from which 
> the food was coming would also carry with it the imprint of those pesticides 
> in the soil.
> We started Lindentree as a certified organic farm at the inception in 1993.  
> In 2016 we were inspected for chemicals, a test which was done unannounced. 
> It is part of the organic inspection and very extensive with testing for 
> around 350 chemical pesticides and fungicides and herbicides...the results 
> came back and there were no traces of any one of the chemicals tested for.  
> It is an impressive list. The crop and the soil were to all intents and 
> purposes, clean.
> And then again this year, we were selected again for this exercise.  A crop 
> was taken as a sample and tested in the same way.  Extensively.  Once again, 
> there was not a trace found of any of the long list of chemicals...
> So now you know you can enjoy your walk or ride, and not worry if your dog is 
> eating the grass or that the air around you is polluted in some way from the 
> farming that goes on on these fields.  And if you choose, you can enjoy the 
> food. Our goal was to take care of the land and produce healthy, tasty 
> veggies.  I think we did.
> Thank you
> Moira
> Lindentree Farm
> Lincoln MA
> 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] community center

[Seth Rosen]

Hi Andy -

Please see below for responses inline, preceded by the ## sign.

-Seth

On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 2:18 PM Andy Wang  wrote:

> Seth,
>
> Just to be fair in the comparison, according to the presentation in the
> Spring (reference here
> ),
> the cost of renovation of the 3 pods from the CCPPDC report was originally
> estimated at $3-3.9 Million.  Updated in 2021 to $3.8 - $5.3M and projected
> to 2025 Projected Construction Mid-Point at $4.5-6.1 M.  Which is more like
> 20-26% on the low end.
>

*## The number referenced in my note was for the one pod which contains
LEAP - not all three pods.  It is not clear to me that all three pods would
require substantial renovation in order to continue being of service.  The
LEAP pod almost certainly does.  Whatever the requirements are, my
overarching point is that they are likely a "couple million dollar"
problem.  Not a $25M problem.  The real issue in my view is that the
requirements need to be revisited and reconciled with the available
resources.*

>
> Also, several people have made this sound like it's just for CoA.  As
> proposed, this is supposed to be a 'Community Center' not just a 'Senior
> Center'.  So while you might consider the discussion of PRD with this as a
> conflation, others may not.
>

*## Well - to be fair.  The overwhelming majority of the contemplated use
is for the CoA. I would argue the other contemplated uses are superfluous
or at least could be solved more cost-effectively.  Others of course may
disagree. *

It may be an opportunity to use what I think are two under-utilized
> resources (the pods and Bemis) into one with more use.  At the same time,
> co-mingling diverse generational residents has shown to have a positive
> effect on all involved.  There may be other intangible benefits for a
> Community Center, you can't look at everything from a financial side only
> (though, you can't ignore it either).
>

*## I respect this perspective.  Personally I disagree that this facility
will be an inter-generational meeting place, but I could very well be wrong
about that.  It may well have non-pecuniary benefits I don't fully
appreciate.  While we could debate that point in good faith, my contention
is it doesn't matter much since the town simply can't afford to build a
$25M+ facility.  We do have $27M of "borrowing capacity" we could utilize
-- but being able to finance something is not the same thing as being able
to afford something, in my view.  It's simply imprudent.*

>
> In terms of renovation, I think Bemis and Pierce House, while lovely, are
> not ideal sites for either the CoA or a Community Center due to access,
> parking, physical layout of the spaces.  Pierce House is historic and I
> doubt a large renovation would fly there.  Bemis lacks parking and it
> doesn't appear like there is much room for expansion.  The pods really do
> need a renovation, if you've been in them, that should be pretty obvious.
>

*## I think I could easily be convinced that the pods need attention (I'm
already convinced).*   *We both know what the LEAP building looks like and
we know that needs to change.  But here again, we're talking about a few
million dollar problem that doesn't require a $25M+ solution.*

>
> I did go to a bunch of the Community Center discussions years ago and put
> my little blue dot on choices, but those were all about features and things
> you would love to have in a building.  There is a financial reality that
> wasn't really discussed at the time (to my recollection, and at least not
> concretely).  So, in general, I am in support of a combined community
> center to house CoA and PNR on the school campus, but at the current scale,
> I'm undecided.
>

*## I think in theory this is interesting.  But if we're being honest, PNR
is a couple of people in a 250 sf room.  They do super important work and
I'm deeply grateful for it... I am not at all attempting to minimize its
importance.  I am suggesting that the needs there are not difficult to
resolve, and certainly aren't something I'd want to use up all of my
borrowing capacity to resolve.*  *DPW facilities in contrast are in
desperate need of capital investment, it's a whole crew of guys, and they
keep our entire town running.  Again, I'm not trying to pit PNR against DPW
- but I am highlighting that there are limited resources and virtually
unlimited needs.  We are forced to prioritize.  *

>
> I'll air my issue with where we are in the movie though.  The vote at the
> end of Nov to allocate $325k for professional services is really looking to
> provide detailed breakdown of two very similar proposals.  The 'Infill of
> Pods' and the "Secondary Central Green' are estimated at $23-$24M and $24.3
> - $25.4M (2025 Midpoint Construction #'s) respectively.  I'm sure lots of
> folks may prefer one or the other for a variety of design reasons, but from
> a financial standpoint, they

Re: [LincolnTalk] a note to you about the land at Mt. Misery

[Sara Mattes]

❤️
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> On Oct 26, 2022, at 3:04 PM, Lindentreefarm Csa  
> wrote:
> 
> Years ago  (in the late 80's)when I met Ari, the farm fields of Mt. Misery 
> were being farmed by someone other than LIndentree Farm. There are two 
> stories that stand out in my mind from that period.  One, Ari had made a case 
> and won, against using certain pesticides on the land of Mt. Misery in 
> particular. Two, this happened because he was told to stay in his house and 
> close the windows when they sprayed pesticides for the current vegetable 
> field, could have been pumpkins, peppers, sweet corn.  
> It is hard to imagine that at one time it would have been unsafe to actually 
> walk across the Mt. Misery Fields as we do now, that the water in the 
> surrounding ponds would be full of pesticide, and that the soil from which 
> the food was coming would also carry with it the imprint of those pesticides 
> in the soil.
> We started Lindentree as a certified organic farm at the inception in 1993.  
> In 2016 we were inspected for chemicals, a test which was done unannounced. 
> It is part of the organic inspection and very extensive with testing for 
> around 350 chemical pesticides and fungicides and herbicides...the results 
> came back and there were no traces of any one of the chemicals tested for.  
> It is an impressive list. The crop and the soil were to all intents and 
> purposes, clean.
> And then again this year, we were selected again for this exercise.  A crop 
> was taken as a sample and tested in the same way.  Extensively.  Once again, 
> there was not a trace found of any of the long list of chemicals...
> So now you know you can enjoy your walk or ride, and not worry if your dog is 
> eating the grass or that the air around you is polluted in some way from the 
> farming that goes on on these fields.  And if you choose, you can enjoy the 
> food. Our goal was to take care of the land and produce healthy, tasty 
> veggies.  I think we did.
> Thank you
> Moira
> Lindentree Farm
> Lincoln MA
> 
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[LincolnTalk] Firewood ?

[Gretchen Covino]

Any recommendations for firewood (aged of course) and delivery?  And if you 
don’t mind me asking, what did you pay?  Please email me directly.  Thank you.  
Gretchen Covino

Thank you and be safe.  
Gretchen 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] a note to you about the land at Mt. Misery

[Staci Montori]

Thank you Moira and Ari - your beautiful farm and pesticide free fields
drew us to Lincoln 22 years ago. ♥️Thank you for taking a stand &  caring
deeply about and for the land and earth. 💚

On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 3:04 PM Lindentreefarm Csa 
wrote:

> Years ago  (in the late 80's)when I met Ari, the farm fields of Mt. Misery
> were being farmed by someone other than LIndentree Farm. There are two
> stories that stand out in my mind from that period.  One, Ari had made a
> case and won, against using certain pesticides on the land of Mt. Misery in
> particular. Two, this happened because he was told to stay in his house and
> close the windows when they sprayed pesticides for the current vegetable
> field, could have been pumpkins, peppers, sweet corn.
> It is hard to imagine that at one time it would have been unsafe to
> actually walk across the Mt. Misery Fields as we do now, that the water in
> the surrounding ponds would be full of pesticide, and that the soil from
> which the food was coming would also carry with it the imprint of those
> pesticides in the soil.
> We started Lindentree as a certified organic farm at the inception in
> 1993.  In 2016 we were inspected for chemicals, a test which was done
> unannounced. It is part of the organic inspection and very extensive with
> testing for around 350 chemical pesticides and fungicides and
> herbicides...the results came back and there were no traces of any one of
> the chemicals tested for.  It is an impressive list. The crop and the soil
> were to all intents and purposes, clean.
> And then again this year, we were selected again for this exercise.  A
> crop was taken as a sample and tested in the same way.  Extensively.  Once
> again, there was not a trace found of any of the long list of chemicals...
> So now you know you can enjoy your walk or ride, and not worry if your dog
> is eating the grass or that the air around you is polluted in some way from
> the farming that goes on on these fields.  And if you choose, you can enjoy
> the food. Our goal was to take care of the land and produce healthy, tasty
> veggies.  I think we did.
> Thank you
> Moira
> Lindentree Farm
> Lincoln MA
>
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[LincolnTalk] a note to you about the land at Mt. Misery

[Lindentreefarm Csa]

Years ago  (in the late 80's)when I met Ari, the farm fields of Mt. Misery
were being farmed by someone other than LIndentree Farm. There are two
stories that stand out in my mind from that period.  One, Ari had made a
case and won, against using certain pesticides on the land of Mt. Misery in
particular. Two, this happened because he was told to stay in his house and
close the windows when they sprayed pesticides for the current vegetable
field, could have been pumpkins, peppers, sweet corn.
It is hard to imagine that at one time it would have been unsafe to
actually walk across the Mt. Misery Fields as we do now, that the water in
the surrounding ponds would be full of pesticide, and that the soil from
which the food was coming would also carry with it the imprint of those
pesticides in the soil.
We started Lindentree as a certified organic farm at the inception in
1993.  In 2016 we were inspected for chemicals, a test which was done
unannounced. It is part of the organic inspection and very extensive with
testing for around 350 chemical pesticides and fungicides and
herbicides...the results came back and there were no traces of any one of
the chemicals tested for.  It is an impressive list. The crop and the soil
were to all intents and purposes, clean.
And then again this year, we were selected again for this exercise.  A crop
was taken as a sample and tested in the same way.  Extensively.  Once
again, there was not a trace found of any of the long list of chemicals...
So now you know you can enjoy your walk or ride, and not worry if your dog
is eating the grass or that the air around you is polluted in some way from
the farming that goes on on these fields.  And if you choose, you can enjoy
the food. Our goal was to take care of the land and produce healthy, tasty
veggies.  I think we did.
Thank you
Moira
Lindentree Farm
Lincoln MA
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Re: [LincolnTalk] community center

[Andy Wang]

Seth,

Just to be fair in the comparison, according to the presentation in the
Spring (reference here
),
the cost of renovation of the 3 pods from the CCPPDC report was originally
estimated at $3-3.9 Million.  Updated in 2021 to $3.8 - $5.3M and projected
to 2025 Projected Construction Mid-Point at $4.5-6.1 M.  Which is more like
20-26% on the low end.

Also, several people have made this sound like it's just for CoA.  As
proposed, this is supposed to be a 'Community Center' not just a 'Senior
Center'.  So while you might consider the discussion of PRD with this as a
conflation, others may not.  It may be an opportunity to use what I think
are two under-utilized resources (the pods and Bemis) into one with more
use.  At the same time, co-mingling diverse generational residents has
shown to have a positive effect on all involved.  There may be other
intangible benefits for a Community Center, you can't look at everything
from a financial side only (though, you can't ignore it either).

In terms of renovation, I think Bemis and Pierce House, while lovely, are
not ideal sites for either the CoA or a Community Center due to access,
parking, physical layout of the spaces.  Pierce House is historic and I
doubt a large renovation would fly there.  Bemis lacks parking and it
doesn't appear like there is much room for expansion.  The pods really do
need a renovation, if you've been in them, that should be pretty obvious.

I did go to a bunch of the Community Center discussions years ago and put
my little blue dot on choices, but those were all about features and things
you would love to have in a building.  There is a financial reality that
wasn't really discussed at the time (to my recollection, and at least not
concretely).  So, in general, I am in support of a combined community
center to house CoA and PNR on the school campus, but at the current scale,
I'm undecided.

I'll air my issue with where we are in the movie though.  The vote at the
end of Nov to allocate $325k for professional services is really looking to
provide detailed breakdown of two very similar proposals.  The 'Infill of
Pods' and the "Secondary Central Green' are estimated at $23-$24M and $24.3
- $25.4M (2025 Midpoint Construction #'s) respectively.  I'm sure lots of
folks may prefer one or the other for a variety of design reasons, but from
a financial standpoint, they are about the same cost.  Both are lovely
buildings, but my concern is that neither may pass the larger town vote.  I
would have rather seen two separate proposals for a community center, one
at the $12M range and one at the $24M range.  Actual cost just as an
example.

It's clear the next steps that happen if the vote passes.  What happens if
the vote fails to pass?  Does that remove the possibility of having a
community center or does that just put things back to the committee to come
back again?  From my perspective, I'd much prefer a community center on a
smaller scale, but also, I'd rather have one at the current proposal and be
forced to pay, than not have one.  I'm just not sure which way to vote in
that case.

Andy





On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 11:47 AM Seth Rosen  wrote:

> Since some posters have mentioned it, we thought it would be helpful to
> zero into how the Pods factor into the Community Center project and what we
> think is the most rational path for the activities there.
>
> Neither of the existing currently proposed designs contemplates a new home
> for LEAP, although I do agree with Diana that there are definitely capital
> needs there.
>
> There are three pods. In both designs POD B would be LIGHTLY renovated and
> stay as a standalone facility to host LEAP. In one of the designs the two
> other pods would be torn down and in the other design they would be
> incorporated into the Community Center.
>
> The cost of renovating the LEAP pod was estimated at $1.125MM in 2018,
> using the same cost inflator used for the overall project, the updated cost
> would be approximately $1.6MM, which corresponds to 6% of the total
> Community Center project cost.
>
> We argue that the town has other public space to host the activities
> hosted in the Pods today, if at some point in the future they are not
> deemed further usable. LEAP as well as all of the after-hours Parks and Rec
> school-age-activities, which represent the vast majority of the program's
> indoor offerings, could easily be hosted in what is otherwise a brand-new
> empty school. There is already a precedent of a Parks & Recreation
> activity, namely IMLEM, using the school, specifically the 8th grade hub,
> to conduct its activities. We are sure other adult activities could also
> find accomodation. Adult basketball for example is already hosted at Reed
> Gym.
>
> As it relates to Parks and Rec Department (PRD), there is no urgency in
> finding the Department a new home. Once that happens, as anyone who has
> s

Re: [LincolnTalk] Short-term rental for visiting family

[Maria Miara]

Hi Bethany,

My college aged daughter stayed at the Residence Inn by Marriott in West
Concord while she quarantined before coming home in April 2020. She had a
small kitchen and was able to cook all her own meals.

I suspect the rate at that time was much lower than it would be now but it
worked well for us.

Maria

On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 1:13 PM Bethany Creath  wrote:

> Dear List,
>
> My dad and stepmom are looking for a place to stay for a couple of weeks
> in December when they come to visit.  We are looking at airbnb, but I
> wanted to reach out and see if there are any other nearby options this
> group can recommend.  This is the first time visit family hasn’t stayed
> with us, so we haven’t navigated this before.  They are looking for an
> apartment or home with a kitchen/kitchenette convenient to Lincoln.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Bethany
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[LincolnTalk] Short-term rental for visiting family

[Bethany Creath]

Dear List,

My dad and stepmom are looking for a place to stay for a couple of weeks in 
December when they come to visit.  We are looking at airbnb, but I wanted to 
reach out and see if there are any other nearby options this group can 
recommend.  This is the first time visit family hasn’t stayed with us, so we 
haven’t navigated this before.  They are looking for an apartment or home with 
a kitchen/kitchenette convenient to Lincoln.  

Thanks in advance,
Bethany
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Re: [LincolnTalk] community center

[Seth Rosen]

Since some posters have mentioned it, we thought it would be helpful to zero 
into how the Pods factor into the Community Center project and what we think is 
the most rational path for the activities there.

Neither of the existing currently proposed designs contemplates a new home for 
LEAP, although I do agree with Diana that there are definitely capital needs 
there. 

There are three pods. In both designs POD B would be LIGHTLY renovated and stay 
as a standalone facility to host LEAP. In one of the designs the two other pods 
would be torn down and in the other design they would be incorporated into the 
Community Center.

The cost of renovating the LEAP pod was estimated at $1.125MM in 2018, using 
the same cost inflator used for the overall project, the updated cost would be 
approximately $1.6MM, which corresponds to 6% of the total Community Center 
project cost. 

We argue that the town has other public space to host the activities hosted in 
the Pods today, if at some point in the future they are not deemed further 
usable. LEAP as well as all of the after-hours Parks and Rec 
school-age-activities, which represent the vast majority of the program's 
indoor offerings, could easily be hosted in what is otherwise a brand-new empty 
school. There is already a precedent of a Parks & Recreation activity, namely 
IMLEM, using the school, specifically the 8th grade hub, to conduct its 
activities. We are sure other adult activities could also find accomodation. 
Adult basketball for example is already hosted at Reed Gym.

As it relates to Parks and Rec Department (PRD), there is no urgency in finding 
the Department a new home. Once that happens, as anyone who has stepped foot 
into that office can attest, they only need a small fraction of their current 
space to house three employees. We are certain either the school or the 15,000 
sqft Town offices could find space for them.

Let us not conflate a discussion about the future of PRD and LEAP, which can be 
easily fixed at no incremental or a small cost, with a $25MM project with no 
other apparent incremental goal other than hosting COA.

> On Oct 26, 2022, at 9:15 AM, DJCP  wrote:
> 
> 
> My kids go to LEAP, the after school program, and we frequently use the Pods 
> for community events and rec dept programs and generally hanging around after 
> school and the Pods are in tough shape.  Much like the school building was 
> before the renovation.  I am sensitive to costs, but significant overhaul of 
> the Pods is needed in the imminent future.  Costs are only going to go up if 
> we put the project off.  And I like the idea of rolling the senior center 
> into the school campus as it would be nice to have the communities intersect 
> more.  (The Girl Scouts in particular already do service projects for the 
> COA&HS and it would be great to expand that.)  Again, I am sensitive to cost, 
> not just for me but the community, but I hope everyone can keep an open mind. 
> 
> Diana 
> Giles Rd 
> 
>> On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 8:27 AM Louis Zipes  wrote:
>> Maybe I missed it and I could be very wrong it but I think part of this 
>> project also takes into account the Hartwell Pods/Bemis Hall and the cost to 
>> sustain those/replace them going forward. That might or might not factor 
>> into the overall cost and design we are seeing. 
>> 
>> There have been community center meetings so I think I personally need to go 
>> back and watch them to be better educated. 
>> 
>> https://www.lincolntown.org/1019/Community-Center-FAQs
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln 
>>>  wrote:
>>> What about the cost for ages 65 to 79?
>>> 
>>> I do think low cost access to indoor year-round swimming is important for 
>>> our older population.
>>> 
>>> Many might find $199 a year to be a lot. 
>>> 
>>> If there is some kind of access to certain facilities at Hanscom for 
>>> seniors that would be very good information to have. Hanscom has fantastic 
>>> health & fitness facilities.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 7:55 AM, Maureen At Beede 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Lots of Lincoln seniors use beede center in concord.  Full access for 
>>> $199/year if over 80.  
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 7:52 AM Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Just out of curiosity, I wonder if our Lincoln seniors could ever be 
>>> granted certain access to any of the phenomenal health and fitness 
>>> facilities at Hanscom?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 7:41 AM, Elaine Hawkes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thank you Seth and others for bringing up the community center. It’s 
>>> something I have been discussing with other youngish seniors (LSRHS class 
>>> of 1971)and have a number of concerns.  Although I don’t yet use the senior 
>>> senior, and do think one with an elevator is important, I’m not sure how 

Re: [LincolnTalk] community center

[Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln]

All good, but let’s please discuss contracting a cute little Lincoln trolley or 
shuttle for round-robin transportation specifically for seniors who do not 
drive and who may not choose to drive at night.
Lincoln is a very difficult place for seniors to be housebound. 
Maybe invest $5 million in an investment fund to pay for a senior shuttle or 
trolley for the foreseeable future? ? 


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On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 11:17 AM, Sara Mattes  
wrote:

As for Hanscom Air Force Base-when a Select, I served for 12 years as the 
liaison to HAFB.Post 9/11, everything changes.It is not realistic to expect 
access to the Base and/or its facilities. 

That said, there may be other choices.The Beede Center draws from a much larger 
population base than Lincoln.Perhpas Lincoln could contract with Beede for more 
classes and/or shared benefits.In addition, we have The Commons in 
Lincoln.Perhaps we could find a way to contract for access for their really 
excellent facilities.
And, there are facilities in both Lexington and Waltham.Let’s get more creative 
about where we turn to access facilities and services.
What do we need?What do we want.?And where might we find it?Do we really need 
to replicate what is available  at our borders?
Sara Mattes 71 Conant Rd.






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On Oct 26, 2022, at 10:18 AM, John Mendelson  wrote:
Bringing the conversation back to the original intent, the Beede Center (pool 
and fitness center alone) cost $11 million to build in 2006.  See:  
https://concordma.gov/DocumentCenter/View/472/Section-VI-Swim-and-Fitness-Fund-PDF#:~:text=It%20was%20constructed%20for%20approximately,generous%20contributions%20from%20the%20community.
On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 10:08 AM Carol Ryan  wrote:

The pool at The Beede Center is great.

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On Oct 26, 2022, at 10:04 AM, Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln 
 wrote:



Have you tried the indoor and outdoor pools at the Waltham YMCA?
Very close by way of Trapelo but I’m not certain of how crowded it gets.



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On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 9:54 AM, Anne Warner  
wrote:

I would also dearly love access to a good lap pool, both in the summer (Codman 
hours for lap swimming are limited to put it mildly, especially for those of us 
who work) and in the winter.  I've thought about trying to rally a group of 
master swimmers to use Codman in the very early morning (think 6-7:30?) during 
the summer -- enough people committed so that we could pay a lifeguard to be 
there.  It feels a bit overwhelming to try to organize this, knowing as few 
people as I do in Lincoln. Is there anyone out there who would be interested 
not only in participating, but in organizing.  
On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 9:43 AM Adam M Hogue  wrote:

That is correct. 

Adam M HogueCell: (978) 828-6184

On Oct 26, 2022, at 4:40 PM, Joanna Owen Schmergel  wrote:



As a Veteran, it is my understanding that you cannot use the facilities as a 
Veteran unless you are a retired (20 years) Veteran, or a Veteran with special 
status. 


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On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 9:38 AM, Adam M Hogue  
wrote:

There is no pool in any of the designs.  Hanscom you have to be military or 
former military personnel to use the base facilities.  

Adam M HogueCell: (978) 828-6184

On Oct 26, 2022, at 4:36 PM, Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln 
 wrote:



Well, if this does end up going forward at $25 million, I truly hope we can 
get a nice indoor collegiate sized pool for laps.



Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 9:15 AM, DJCP  wrote:

My kids go to LEAP, the after school program, and we frequently use the Pods 
for community events and rec dept programs and generally hanging around after 
school and the Pods are in tough shape.  Much like the school building was 
before the renovation.  I am sensitive to costs, but significant overhaul of 
the Pods is needed in the imminent future.  Costs are only going to go up if we 
put the project off.  And I like the idea of rolling the senior center into the 
school campus as it would be nice to have the communities intersect more.  (The 
Girl Scouts in particular already do service projects for the COA&HS and it 
would be great to expand that.)  Again, I am sensitive to cost, not just for me 
but the community, but I hope everyone can keep an open mind. 

Diana 
Giles Rd 

On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 8:27 AM Louis Zipes  wrote:

Maybe I missed it and I could be very wrong it but I think part of this project 
also takes into account the Hartwell Pods/Bemis Hall and the cost to sustain 
those/replace them going forward. That might or might not factor into the 
overall cost and design we are seeing. 
There have been community center meetings so I think I personally need to go 
back and watch them to be better educated. 
https://www.lincolntown.org/1019/Community-Center-FAQs




On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, Joanna Owen Schmer

Re: [LincolnTalk] community center

[Sara Mattes]

As for Hanscom Air Force Base-when a Select, I served for 12 years as the 
liaison to HAFB.
Post 9/11, everything changes.
It is not realistic to expect access to the Base and/or its facilities. 


That said, there may be other choices.
The Beede Center draws from a much larger population base than Lincoln.
Perhpas Lincoln could contract with Beede for more classes and/or shared 
benefits.
In addition, we have The Commons in Lincoln.
Perhaps we could find a way to contract for access for their really excellent 
facilities.

And, there are facilities in both Lexington and Waltham.
Let’s get more creative about where we turn to access facilities and services.

What do we need?
What do we want.?
And where might we find it?
Do we really need to replicate what is available  at our borders?

Sara Mattes 
71 Conant Rd.







--
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> On Oct 26, 2022, at 10:18 AM, John Mendelson  wrote:
> 
> Bringing the conversation back to the original intent, the Beede Center (pool 
> and fitness center alone) cost $11 million to build in 2006.  See:  
> https://concordma.gov/DocumentCenter/View/472/Section-VI-Swim-and-Fitness-Fund-PDF#:~:text=It%20was%20constructed%20for%20approximately,generous%20contributions%20from%20the%20community
>  
> .
> 
> On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 10:08 AM Carol Ryan  > wrote:
> The pool at The Beede Center is great.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 26, 2022, at 10:04 AM, Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln 
>> mailto:lincoln@lincolntalk.org>> wrote:
>> 
>>  Have you tried the indoor and outdoor pools at the Waltham YMCA?
>> 
>> Very close by way of Trapelo but I’m not certain of how crowded it gets.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone 
>> 
>> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 9:54 AM, Anne Warner > > wrote:
>> 
>> I would also dearly love access to a good lap pool, both in the summer 
>> (Codman hours for lap swimming are limited to put it mildly, especially for 
>> those of us who work) and in the winter.  I've thought about trying to rally 
>> a group of master swimmers to use Codman in the very early morning (think 
>> 6-7:30?) during the summer -- enough people committed so that we could pay a 
>> lifeguard to be there.  It feels a bit overwhelming to try to organize this, 
>> knowing as few people as I do in Lincoln. Is there anyone out there who 
>> would be interested not only in participating, but in organizing.  
>> 
>> On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 9:43 AM Adam M Hogue > > wrote:
>> That is correct. 
>> 
>> Adam M Hogue
>> Cell:  <>(978) 828-6184 <>
>> 
>>> On Oct 26, 2022, at 4:40 PM, Joanna Owen Schmergel >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>  As a Veteran, it is my understanding that you cannot use the facilities 
>>> as a Veteran unless you are a retired (20 years) Veteran, or a Veteran with 
>>> special status. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone 
>>> 
>>> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 9:38 AM, Adam M Hogue 
>>> mailto:adam.m.ho...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> There is no pool in any of the designs.  Hanscom you have to be military or 
>>> former military personnel to use the base facilities.  
>>> 
>>> Adam M Hogue
>>> Cell:  <>(978) 828-6184 <>
>>> 
 On Oct 26, 2022, at 4:36 PM, Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln 
 mailto:lincoln@lincolntalk.org>> wrote:
 
  Well, if this does end up going forward at $25 million, I truly hope we 
 can get a nice indoor collegiate sized pool for laps.
 
 
 
 
 Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone 
 
 On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 9:15 AM, DJCP >>> > wrote:
 
 My kids go to LEAP, the after school program, and we frequently use the 
 Pods for community events and rec dept programs and generally hanging 
 around after school and the Pods are in tough shape.  Much like the school 
 building was before the renovation.  I am sensitive to costs, but 
 significant overhaul of the Pods is needed in the imminent future.  Costs 
 are only going to go up if we put the project off.  And I like the idea of 
 rolling the senior center into the school campus as it would be nice to 
 have the communities intersect more.  (The Girl Scouts in particular 
 already do service projects for the COA&HS and it would be great to expand 
 that.)  Again, I am sensitive to cost, not just for me but the community, 
 but I hope everyone can keep an open mind. 
 
 Diana 
 Giles Rd 
 
 On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 8:27 AM Louis Zipes >>> > wrote:
 Maybe I missed it and I

Re: [LincolnTalk] community center

[Anne Warner]

I would also dearly love access to a good lap pool, both in the summer
(Codman hours for lap swimming are limited to put it mildly, especially for
those of us who work) and in the winter.  I've thought about trying to
rally a group of master swimmers to use Codman in the very early morning
(think 6-7:30?) during the summer -- enough people committed so that we
could pay a lifeguard to be there.  It feels a bit overwhelming to try to
organize this, knowing as few people as I do in Lincoln. Is there anyone
out there who would be interested not only in participating, but in
organizing.

On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 9:43 AM Adam M Hogue  wrote:

> That is correct.
>
> *Adam M Hogue*
> *Cell: **(978) 828-6184 <(978)%20828-6184>*
>
> On Oct 26, 2022, at 4:40 PM, Joanna Owen Schmergel 
> wrote:
>
>  As a Veteran, it is my understanding that you cannot use the facilities
> as a Veteran unless you are a retired (20 years) Veteran, or a Veteran with
> special status.
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
>
> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 9:38 AM, Adam M Hogue <
> adam.m.ho...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> There is no pool in any of the designs.  Hanscom you have to be military
> or former military personnel to use the base facilities.
>
> *Adam M Hogue*
> *Cell: **(978) 828-6184*
>
> On Oct 26, 2022, at 4:36 PM, Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln <
> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>
>  Well, if this does end up going forward at $25 million, I truly hope we
> can get a nice indoor collegiate sized pool for laps.
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
>
> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 9:15 AM, DJCP  wrote:
>
> My kids go to LEAP, the after school program, and we frequently use the
> Pods for community events and rec dept programs and generally hanging
> around after school and the Pods are in tough shape.  Much like the school
> building was before the renovation.  I am sensitive to costs, but
> significant overhaul of the Pods is needed in the imminent future.  Costs
> are only going to go up if we put the project off.  And I like the idea of
> rolling the senior center into the school campus as it would be nice to
> have the communities intersect more.  (The Girl Scouts in particular
> already do service projects for the COA&HS and it would be great to expand
> that.)  Again, I am sensitive to cost, not just for me but the community,
> but I hope everyone can keep an open mind.
>
> Diana
> Giles Rd
>
> On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 8:27 AM Louis Zipes  wrote:
>
> Maybe I missed it and I could be very wrong it but I think part of this
> project also takes into account the Hartwell Pods/Bemis Hall and the cost
> to sustain those/replace them going forward. That might or might not factor
> into the overall cost and design we are seeing.
>
> There have been community center meetings so I think I personally need to
> go back and watch them to be better educated.
>
> https://www.lincolntown.org/1019/Community-Center-FAQs
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln <
> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>
> What about the cost for ages 65 to 79?
>
> I do think low cost *access* to indoor year-round swimming is important
> for our older population.
>
> Many might find $199 a year to be a lot.
>
> If there is some kind of access to certain facilities at Hanscom for
> seniors that would be very good information to have. Hanscom has fantastic
> health & fitness facilities.
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
>
> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 7:55 AM, Maureen At Beede <
> maureensbeedeem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Lots of Lincoln seniors use beede center in concord.  Full access for
> $199/year if over 80.
>
> On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 7:52 AM Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln <
> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>
> Just out of curiosity, I wonder if our Lincoln seniors could ever be
> granted *certain* access to any of the phenomenal health and fitness
> facilities at Hanscom?
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 7:41 AM, Elaine Hawkes <
> elainehaw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thank you Seth and others for bringing up the community center. It’s
> something I have been discussing with other youngish seniors (LSRHS class
> of 1971)and have a number of concerns.  Although I don’t yet use the senior
> senior, and do think one with an elevator is important, I’m not sure how
> many older adults in town use it regularly. In my cohort, there is a
> greater worry about high property taxes and whether we can afford to
> continue to pay them if a community center is built.
>
> “If you build it they will come” (
> https://www.lincolntown.org/documentcenter/view/35385) Is this true,
> particularly with ongoing concerns about covid and availability of
> classes and meetings on Zoom?
>
> There are

Re: [LincolnTalk] community center

[Stephanie Smoot]

The Pool at Beede is great.  They have LOTS of aquatic programs.   Can get
crowded for laps in evening though. Maybe that is not an issue for
retirees.   Does the Commons have a pool for seniors?
Regards,
*Stephanie Smoot*

857 368-9175  work
781 941-6842  personal cell
*617 595-5217 *work cell
126 Chestnut Circle
Lincoln, MA 01773




On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 10:08 AM Carol Ryan  wrote:

> The pool at The Beede Center is great.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 26, 2022, at 10:04 AM, Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln <
> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>
>  Have you tried the indoor and outdoor pools at the Waltham YMCA?
>
> Very close by way of Trapelo but I’m not certain of how crowded it gets.
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
>
> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 9:54 AM, Anne Warner <
> warneran...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I would also dearly love access to a good lap pool, both in the summer
> (Codman hours for lap swimming are limited to put it mildly, especially for
> those of us who work) and in the winter.  I've thought about trying to
> rally a group of master swimmers to use Codman in the very early morning
> (think 6-7:30?) during the summer -- enough people committed so that we
> could pay a lifeguard to be there.  It feels a bit overwhelming to try to
> organize this, knowing as few people as I do in Lincoln. Is there anyone
> out there who would be interested not only in participating, but in
> organizing.
>
> On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 9:43 AM Adam M Hogue 
> wrote:
>
> That is correct.
>
> *Adam M Hogue*
> *Cell: **(978) 828-6184*
>
> On Oct 26, 2022, at 4:40 PM, Joanna Owen Schmergel 
> wrote:
>
>  As a Veteran, it is my understanding that you cannot use the facilities
> as a Veteran unless you are a retired (20 years) Veteran, or a Veteran with
> special status.
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
>
> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 9:38 AM, Adam M Hogue <
> adam.m.ho...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> There is no pool in any of the designs.  Hanscom you have to be military
> or former military personnel to use the base facilities.
>
> *Adam M Hogue*
> *Cell: **(978) 828-6184*
>
> On Oct 26, 2022, at 4:36 PM, Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln <
> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>
>  Well, if this does end up going forward at $25 million, I truly hope we
> can get a nice indoor collegiate sized pool for laps.
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
>
> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 9:15 AM, DJCP  wrote:
>
> My kids go to LEAP, the after school program, and we frequently use the
> Pods for community events and rec dept programs and generally hanging
> around after school and the Pods are in tough shape.  Much like the school
> building was before the renovation.  I am sensitive to costs, but
> significant overhaul of the Pods is needed in the imminent future.  Costs
> are only going to go up if we put the project off.  And I like the idea of
> rolling the senior center into the school campus as it would be nice to
> have the communities intersect more.  (The Girl Scouts in particular
> already do service projects for the COA&HS and it would be great to expand
> that.)  Again, I am sensitive to cost, not just for me but the community,
> but I hope everyone can keep an open mind.
>
> Diana
> Giles Rd
>
> On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 8:27 AM Louis Zipes  wrote:
>
> Maybe I missed it and I could be very wrong it but I think part of this
> project also takes into account the Hartwell Pods/Bemis Hall and the cost
> to sustain those/replace them going forward. That might or might not factor
> into the overall cost and design we are seeing.
>
> There have been community center meetings so I think I personally need to
> go back and watch them to be better educated.
>
> https://www.lincolntown.org/1019/Community-Center-FAQs
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln <
> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>
> What about the cost for ages 65 to 79?
>
> I do think low cost *access* to indoor year-round swimming is important
> for our older population.
>
> Many might find $199 a year to be a lot.
>
> If there is some kind of access to certain facilities at Hanscom for
> seniors that would be very good information to have. Hanscom has fantastic
> health & fitness facilities.
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
>
> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 7:55 AM, Maureen At Beede <
> maureensbeedeem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Lots of Lincoln seniors use beede center in concord.  Full access for
> $199/year if over 80.
>
> On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 7:52 AM Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln <
> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>
> Just out of curiosity, I wonder if our Lincoln seniors could ever be
> granted *certain* access to any of the phenomenal health and fitness
> facilities at Hanscom?
>
>
>
>
> Sen

[LincolnTalk] Missing shirts Premier Cleaners?

[Rosemary Lloyd]

Gentlemen,
Do you seem to be missing some Brooks Brothers white spread collar shirts
(Classic Fit, 16 1/2, 33; one 16, 34)? Do you seem to have some Viyella
plaid shirts or Brooks Brothers blue and white check shirts that may not be
yours? I'm curious whether anyone else is missing shirts they've brought to
Premier Cleaners (who do a good job...just maybe have reallocated
someshirts...).



Rosemary Lloyd

*C* 617 -359-3372
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[LincolnTalk] A new yoga studio in Lincoln

[Muriel Wuillot via Lincoln]

My name is Muriel and have been living in Lincoln for 6 years.
I am new to Lincoln Talk, and would like to introduce my yoga studio to the 
Lincoln community. Thank you !

Our studio - The Nest Yoga Lincoln - has just opened  #28 Tabor Hill. We strive 
to create a supportive, intimate and friendly environment for all. 
We believe that yoga is for everyone regardless of age and body type. Whether 
you can touch your toes or not ! We offer group classes, one-on-one sessions, 
and even Yoga Parties for kids !
Visit our website for more information : www.thenestyogalincoln.com or give us 
a call: 781 – 521 – 6972. Looking forward to meeting you !


Muriel



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Re: [LincolnTalk] community center

[Maureen At Beede]

Lots of Lincoln seniors use beede center in concord.  Full access for
$199/year if over 80.

On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 7:52 AM Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln <
lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:

> Just out of curiosity, I wonder if our Lincoln seniors could ever be
> granted *certain* access to any of the phenomenal health and fitness
> facilities at Hanscom?
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 7:41 AM, Elaine Hawkes <
> elainehaw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thank you Seth and others for bringing up the community center. It’s
> something I have been discussing with other youngish seniors (LSRHS class
> of 1971)and have a number of concerns.  Although I don’t yet use the senior
> senior, and do think one with an elevator is important, I’m not sure how
> many older adults in town use it regularly. In my cohort, there is a
> greater worry about high property taxes and whether we can afford to
> continue to pay them if a community center is built.
>
> “If you build it they will come” (
> https://www.lincolntown.org/documentcenter/view/35385) Is this true,
> particularly with ongoing concerns about covid and availability of
> classes and meetings on Zoom?
>
> There are few offerings for adults through the Rec Department. Is that
> from lack of space or lack of interest? Most people I know go out of town
> for programs.
>
> I’m not happy with the design which appears to have a lot of wasted space
> in its “open concept”. With heating prices going up, how much will it cost
> to heat this big building?
>
> I also think the world has changed since 2017 when this community center
> was first discussed.  I would rather the town spend its money on mixed
> income housing, for example, which it needs. And, Lincoln’s older homebound
> adults could stay in their homes if they had more services paid for by the
> town. This would be a good use of money for seniors.
>
> Lastly, if an expensive community center must be built, can we at the same
> time look at allowing more Lincoln homes to build accessory apartments and
> backyard cottages? This would help seniors pay their higher taxes, and stay
> in their large homes while benefiting non-high income folks looking for
> Lincoln housing.
>
> Elaine
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Re: [LincolnTalk] community center

[Elizabeth Goldsmith]

Beede has one of the nicest pools in the area and an active Masters program 
with 2 swim times.

5:45 -7 a.m. and 12:00 - 1:15 p.m.

People like the coach over there a lot.

Liz


-Original Message-
From: Carol Ryan 
Sent: Oct 26, 2022 10:08 AM
To: Joanna Owen Schmergel 
Cc: Lincoln Talk 
Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] community center

The pool at The Beede Center is great.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 26, 2022, at 10:04 AM, Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln 
 wrote:


96 Have you tried the indoor and outdoor pools at the Waltham YMCA? 
Very close by way of Trapelo but I’m not certain of how crowded it gets.
 



Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone (https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS)

On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 9:54 AM, Anne Warner  
wrote:
I would also dearly love access to a good lap pool, both in the summer (Codman 
hours for lap swimming are limited to put it mildly, especially for those of us 
who work) and in the winter.  I've thought about trying to rally a group of 
master swimmers to use Codman in the very early morning (think 6-7:30?) during 
the summer -- enough people committed so that we could pay a lifeguard to be 
there.  It feels a bit overwhelming to try to organize this, knowing as few 
people as I do in Lincoln. Is there anyone out there who would be interested 
not only in participating, but in organizing.  

On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 9:43 AM Adam M Hogue mailto:adam.m.ho...@gmail.com)> wrote:
That is correct. 

Adam M Hogue
Cell: (978) 828-6184


On Oct 26, 2022, at 4:40 PM, Joanna Owen Schmergel mailto:owenjoa...@yahoo.com)> wrote:


As a Veteran, it is my understanding that you cannot use the facilities as a 
Veteran unless you are a retired (20 years) Veteran, or a Veteran with special 
status. 


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone (https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS)

On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 9:38 AM, Adam M Hogue mailto:adam.m.ho...@gmail.com)> wrote:
There is no pool in any of the designs.  Hanscom you have to be military or 
former military personnel to use the base facilities.  Adam M Hogue
Cell: (978) 828-6184

On Oct 26, 2022, at 4:36 PM, Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln 
mailto:lincoln@lincolntalk.org)> wrote:
Well, if this does end up going forward at $25 million, I truly hope we can get 
a nice indoor collegiate sized pool for laps. 
Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone (https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS)On 
Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 9:15 AM, DJCP mailto:djcp0...@gmail.com)> wrote:
My kids go to LEAP, the after school program, and we frequently use the Pods 
for community events and rec dept programs and generally hanging around after 
school and the Pods are in tough shape.  Much like the school building was 
before the renovation.  I am sensitive to costs, but significant overhaul of 
the Pods is needed in the imminent future.  Costs are only going to go up if we 
put the project off.  And I like the idea of rolling the senior center into the 
school campus as it would be nice to have the communities intersect more.  (The 
Girl Scouts in particular already do service projects for the COA&HS and it 
would be great to expand that.)  Again, I am sensitive to cost, not just for me 
but the community, but I hope everyone can keep an open mind. 
 
Diana 
Giles Rd 

On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 8:27 AM Louis Zipes mailto:louiszi...@gmail.com)> wrote:
Maybe I missed it and I could be very wrong it but I think part of this project 
also takes into account the Hartwell Pods/Bemis Hall and the cost to sustain 
those/replace them going forward. That might or might not factor into the 
overall cost and design we are seeing.  
There have been community center meetings so I think I personally need to go 
back and watch them to be better educated. 
 
https://www.lincolntown.org/1019/Community-Center-FAQs
 
 
On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln 
mailto:lincoln@lincolntalk.org)> wrote:What about the 
cost for ages 65 to 79? 
I do think low cost access to indoor year-round swimming is important for our 
older population.
 
Many might find $199 a year to be a lot. 
 
If there is some kind of access to certain facilities at Hanscom for seniors 
that would be very good information to have. Hanscom has fantastic health & 
fitness facilities. 
Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone (https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS)On 
Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 7:55 AM, Maureen At Beede 
mailto:maureensbeedeem...@gmail.com)> wrote:
Lots of Lincoln seniors use beede center in concord.  Full access for $199/year 
if over 80.  
On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 7:52 AM Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln 
mailto:lincoln@lincolntalk.org)> wrote:
Just out of curiosity, I wonder if our Lincoln seniors could ever be granted 
certain access to any of the phenomenal health and fitness facilities at 
Hanscom? 
Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone (https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS)

On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 7:41 AM, Elaine Hawkes mailto:elainehaw...@gmail.com)> wr

[LincolnTalk] Impending Real Estate Tax Increase and the Proposed Community Center

[Christopher Eliot]

> From: sally kindleberger  >
> Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] Impending Real Estate Tax Increase and the 
> Proposed Community Center
> Date: October 25, 2022 at 6:00:24 PM EDT
> To: Seth Rosen mailto:rosen...@gmail.com>>
> Cc: Lincoln Talk mailto:Lincoln@lincolntalk.org>>, 
> Sara Mattes mailto:samat...@gmail.com>>
> 
> 
> Many of us have been waiting and/or working on the development of a community 
> center for over 10 years.  We supported the new school construction even 
> though we have no children in our schools! And we willingly paid higher taxes 
> for the betterment of the whole community.
> Many of the surrounding towns have incredible community centers - much bigger 
> and fancier than what is proposed for Lincoln! 
> One must note that this building will be ear-marked for the entire town - the 
> COA and Human Services and the Recreation department will be 
> housed there and other groups in town will make good use of it.
> I feel strongly that the town should support the construction of a community 
> center!  And I hope that I will live to see it.

I share this sentiment.  It is common for large projects to be sized based on 
the need when first proposed, making the new building too small when it opens 
10+ years later. Designing the building to accommodate future needs means 
making it larger than we need right now.

My children were in LS for 2 years before graduating; never attended Lincoln 
elementary schools, but I have been paying taxes for those schools and the $93 
million school project all the time I’ve lived here. I’ve never complained, but 
I would like support for a construction project that I would use, too.

The long article by Seth Rosen contains many compelling points, but presents 
its argument in a vacuum as if this has not been discussed for 10 years. A more 
balanced presentation would incorporate some of the past discussion, such as 
those collected in the Squirrel. All of these points should have been made to 
the CCPPDC which has been meeting all Summer. Were these points made to the 
CCPPDC? What was their response? This article feels like an end-run around the 
process established by the town for developing the community center proposal.

For example:

"The Council on Aging and the Parks and Recreation Department both have 
well-documented needs for more and better space, and a community center would 
answer those needs and would also “connect the generations in town,” said 
Selectman Jonathan Dwyer, the board’s liaison to the CCPPDC.

The year 2023 is “wide open for a project like this,” since the school project 
will be completed, and the Finance Committee says the town has additional 
borrowing capacity of $27 million, Dwyer said. ” (Squirrel, May 11, 2021: 
"Environmental measures, name changes to go before voters on Saturday”)

I strongly support Lincoln’s great educational system and I supported the $93 
school project, which I will never use. I believe that a new community center 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Hanscom AFB and Lincoln

[Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln]

Also, if we have different senior facilities in different areas, such as 
swimming at Hanscom, meetings at Bemis, classes at Town Hall, and so forth, 
what about Lincoln contracting a sort of bus, or shuttle service in town? What 
might that cost a year? 
It could also make stops at Donelean’s too for those seniors who cannot drive. 


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On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 10:44 AM, Lynne Smith  wrote:

Wow! What a great suggestion, Joanna. I hope someone with Town authority can 
follow up on this idea of Hanscom facilities use. I can already imagine the 
security issues that will arise but we are all accustomed to airport measures 
so maybe this would not be so different, especially for those over 65.
I am in favor of creative solutions that maximise existing facilities. I’m also 
in favor of spending for routine maintenance instead of demolishing older 
buildings and building new ones.
I believe Town Offices was remodelled for about $9 million. It is a beautiful, 
energy-efficient repurposing of a classic building. Surely we could do the same 
with Bemis for an amount less than $24 million.
I know that many people have invested their time in this potential new center. 
I will review carefully the links to these earlier meetings prior to the 
November vote.
Lynne Smith5 Tabor Hill RoadLincoln, MA 01773
781-258-1175Sent from my iPhone

On 26 Oct 2022, at 10:24 a.m., Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln 
 wrote:



Hi Folks,
I guess I am having trouble wrapping my head around this $25 million price tag.
As Seth Rosen has said, Lincoln has a small population that also includes an 
even smaller, but measurable percentage of active duty and other military 
personnel at Hanscom. 

So some parts of Hanscom AFB are in Lincoln.
Lincoln has a small population compared to all other neighboring towns. 
“Hanscom Air Force Base is a United States Air Force base located predominantly 
within Bedford, Massachusetts, with portions extending into the adjoining towns 
of Lincoln, Concord and Lexington. The facility is adjacent to Hanscom Field 
which provides general aviation and charter service”
The Lincoln Public Schools and the Hanscom AFB Schools together make up our 
school district:
“In addition to the Lincoln School, the district operates the Primary and 
Middle Schools at Hanscom Air Force Base through a contract with the federal 
government. Approximately 580 students attend the Hanscom Schools.”
I am a U.S. Army Veteran who served my 4 year stint after college. 
I cannot use the Hanscom facilities as a Veteran because I am not a retired (20 
years) Veteran, or a Veteran with special status, such as a combat disabled 
Veteran, for example.
I had the privilege a ways back of having access to Hanscom because my long 
time friend is a field grade reserve officer in Air Force Intelligence.
Back when I was still running all the time she asked me to help train her for 
her first post-partum Air Force physical fitness test.
I was able to sample and experience all of their incredible facilities for a 
few months as her guest: 
Fitness & Sports Center | 66th Force Support Squadron 
  
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Fitness & Sports Center | 66th Force Support Squadron
 
The Fitness and Sports Center provides services, programs and state-of-the-art 
equipment to enhance and encourage your continuing commitment to health and 
physical fitness. Whether you want to stay in regulation fitness standards or 
just get healthie
  |   |

  |

  |

  

I in no way would want to overcrowd or negatively impact Hanscom AFB for our 
active duty and retired warfighters and their families. 
They and their families should always be the number one priority for Hanscom 
AFB.
That being said, what is our current population of seniors, say 65 and over, 
living in Lincoln?
Military installations have been known in certain situations to be quite 
flexible and innovative in terms of working with their local communities.
Lincoln is unique given our small population (lower tax base) and our 
“marriage” of sorts to Hanscom AFB. 
Is there a solution here where just our Lincoln seniors (65+, let’s say), could 
have some regulated access to Hanscom facilities that would not negatively 
impact our warfighters? 
Something tells me there must be.
Thoughts? 
Joanna 

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Re: [LincolnTalk] Hanscom AFB and Lincoln

[Lynne Smith]

Wow! What a great suggestion, Joanna. I hope someone with Town authority can 
follow up on this idea of Hanscom facilities use. I can already imagine the 
security issues that will arise but we are all accustomed to airport measures 
so maybe this would not be so different, especially for those over 65.

I am in favor of creative solutions that maximise existing facilities. I’m also 
in favor of spending for routine maintenance instead of demolishing older 
buildings and building new ones.

I believe Town Offices was remodelled for about $9 million. It is a beautiful, 
energy-efficient repurposing of a classic building. Surely we could do the same 
with Bemis for an amount less than $24 million.

I know that many people have invested their time in this potential new center. 
I will review carefully the links to these earlier meetings prior to the 
November vote.

Lynne Smith
5 Tabor Hill Road
Lincoln, MA 01773
781-258-1175
Sent from my iPhone

> On 26 Oct 2022, at 10:24 a.m., Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln 
>  wrote:
> 
>  Hi Folks,
> 
> I guess I am having trouble wrapping my head around this $25 million price 
> tag.
> 
> As Seth Rosen has said, Lincoln has a small population that also includes an 
> even smaller, but measurable percentage of active duty and other military 
> personnel at Hanscom. 
> 
> So some parts of Hanscom AFB are in Lincoln.
> 
> Lincoln has a small population compared to all other neighboring towns. 
> 
> “Hanscom Air Force Base is a United States Air Force base located 
> predominantly within Bedford, Massachusetts, with portions extending into the 
> adjoining towns of Lincoln, Concord and Lexington. The facility is adjacent 
> to Hanscom Field which provides general aviation and charter service”
> 
> The Lincoln Public Schools and the Hanscom AFB Schools together make up our 
> school district:
> 
> “In addition to the Lincoln School, the district operates the Primary and 
> Middle Schools at Hanscom Air Force Base through a contract with the federal 
> government. Approximately 580 students attend the Hanscom Schools.”
> 
> I am a U.S. Army Veteran who served my 4 year stint after college. 
> 
> I cannot use the Hanscom facilities as a Veteran because I am not a retired 
> (20 years) Veteran, or a Veteran with special status, such as a combat 
> disabled Veteran, for example.
> 
> I had the privilege a ways back of having access to Hanscom because my long 
> time friend is a field grade reserve officer in Air Force Intelligence.
> 
> Back when I was still running all the time she asked me to help train her for 
> her first post-partum Air Force physical fitness test.
> 
> I was able to sample and experience all of their incredible facilities for a 
> few months as her guest: 
> 
> Fitness & Sports Center | 66th Force Support Squadron 
> 
> Fitness & Sports Center | 66th Force Support Squadron
> The Fitness and Sports Center provides services, programs and 
> state-of-the-art equipment to enhance and encourage your continuing 
> commitment to health and physical fitness. Whether you want to stay in 
> regulation fitness standards or just get healthie
> 
> 
> 
> I in no way would want to overcrowd or negatively impact Hanscom AFB for our 
> active duty and retired warfighters and their families. 
> 
> They and their families should always be the number one priority for Hanscom 
> AFB.
> 
> That being said, what is our current population of seniors, say 65 and over, 
> living in Lincoln?
> 
> Military installations have been known in certain situations to be quite 
> flexible and innovative in terms of working with their local communities.
> 
> Lincoln is unique given our small population (lower tax base) and our 
> “marriage” of sorts to Hanscom AFB. 
> 
> Is there a solution here where just our Lincoln seniors (65+, let’s say), 
> could have some regulated access to Hanscom facilities that would not 
> negatively impact our warfighters? 
> 
> Something tells me there must be.
> 
> Thoughts? 
> 
> Joanna 
> 
> 
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[LincolnTalk] Hanscom AFB and Lincoln

[Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln]

Hi Folks,
I guess I am having trouble wrapping my head around this $25 million price tag.
As Seth Rosen has said, Lincoln has a small population that also includes an 
even smaller, but measurable percentage of active duty and other military 
personnel at Hanscom. 

So some parts of Hanscom AFB are in Lincoln.
Lincoln has a small population compared to all other neighboring towns. 
“Hanscom Air Force Base is a United States Air Force base located predominantly 
within Bedford, Massachusetts, with portions extending into the adjoining towns 
of Lincoln, Concord and Lexington. The facility is adjacent to Hanscom Field 
which provides general aviation and charter service”
The Lincoln Public Schools and the Hanscom AFB Schools together make up our 
school district:
“In addition to the Lincoln School, the district operates the Primary and 
Middle Schools at Hanscom Air Force Base through a contract with the federal 
government. Approximately 580 students attend the Hanscom Schools.”
I am a U.S. Army Veteran who served my 4 year stint after college. 
I cannot use the Hanscom facilities as a Veteran because I am not a retired (20 
years) Veteran, or a Veteran with special status, such as a combat disabled 
Veteran, for example.
I had the privilege a ways back of having access to Hanscom because my long 
time friend is a field grade reserve officer in Air Force Intelligence.
Back when I was still running all the time she asked me to help train her for 
her first post-partum Air Force physical fitness test.
I was able to sample and experience all of their incredible facilities for a 
few months as her guest: 
Fitness & Sports Center | 66th Force Support Squadron 
  
|  
|   
|   
|   ||

   |

  |
|  
|   |  
Fitness & Sports Center | 66th Force Support Squadron
 
The Fitness and Sports Center provides services, programs and state-of-the-art 
equipment to enhance and encourage your continuing commitment to health and 
physical fitness. Whether you want to stay in regulation fitness standards or 
just get healthie
  |   |

  |

  |

  

I in no way would want to overcrowd or negatively impact Hanscom AFB for our 
active duty and retired warfighters and their families. 
They and their families should always be the number one priority for Hanscom 
AFB.
That being said, what is our current population of seniors, say 65 and over, 
living in Lincoln?
Military installations have been known in certain situations to be quite 
flexible and innovative in terms of working with their local communities.
Lincoln is unique given our small population (lower tax base) and our 
“marriage” of sorts to Hanscom AFB. 
Is there a solution here where just our Lincoln seniors (65+, let’s say), could 
have some regulated access to Hanscom facilities that would not negatively 
impact our warfighters? 
Something tells me there must be.
Thoughts? 
Joanna 

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Re: [LincolnTalk] community center

[John Mendelson]

Bringing the conversation back to the original intent, the Beede Center
(pool and fitness center alone) cost $11 million to build in 2006.  See:
https://concordma.gov/DocumentCenter/View/472/Section-VI-Swim-and-Fitness-Fund-PDF#:~:text=It%20was%20constructed%20for%20approximately,generous%20contributions%20from%20the%20community
.

On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 10:08 AM Carol Ryan  wrote:

> The pool at The Beede Center is great.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 26, 2022, at 10:04 AM, Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln <
> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>
>  Have you tried the indoor and outdoor pools at the Waltham YMCA?
>
> Very close by way of Trapelo but I’m not certain of how crowded it gets.
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
>
> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 9:54 AM, Anne Warner <
> warneran...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I would also dearly love access to a good lap pool, both in the summer
> (Codman hours for lap swimming are limited to put it mildly, especially for
> those of us who work) and in the winter.  I've thought about trying to
> rally a group of master swimmers to use Codman in the very early morning
> (think 6-7:30?) during the summer -- enough people committed so that we
> could pay a lifeguard to be there.  It feels a bit overwhelming to try to
> organize this, knowing as few people as I do in Lincoln. Is there anyone
> out there who would be interested not only in participating, but in
> organizing.
>
> On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 9:43 AM Adam M Hogue 
> wrote:
>
> That is correct.
>
> *Adam M Hogue*
> *Cell: **(978) 828-6184*
>
> On Oct 26, 2022, at 4:40 PM, Joanna Owen Schmergel 
> wrote:
>
>  As a Veteran, it is my understanding that you cannot use the facilities
> as a Veteran unless you are a retired (20 years) Veteran, or a Veteran with
> special status.
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
>
> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 9:38 AM, Adam M Hogue <
> adam.m.ho...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> There is no pool in any of the designs.  Hanscom you have to be military
> or former military personnel to use the base facilities.
>
> *Adam M Hogue*
> *Cell: **(978) 828-6184*
>
> On Oct 26, 2022, at 4:36 PM, Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln <
> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>
>  Well, if this does end up going forward at $25 million, I truly hope we
> can get a nice indoor collegiate sized pool for laps.
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
>
> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 9:15 AM, DJCP  wrote:
>
> My kids go to LEAP, the after school program, and we frequently use the
> Pods for community events and rec dept programs and generally hanging
> around after school and the Pods are in tough shape.  Much like the school
> building was before the renovation.  I am sensitive to costs, but
> significant overhaul of the Pods is needed in the imminent future.  Costs
> are only going to go up if we put the project off.  And I like the idea of
> rolling the senior center into the school campus as it would be nice to
> have the communities intersect more.  (The Girl Scouts in particular
> already do service projects for the COA&HS and it would be great to expand
> that.)  Again, I am sensitive to cost, not just for me but the community,
> but I hope everyone can keep an open mind.
>
> Diana
> Giles Rd
>
> On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 8:27 AM Louis Zipes  wrote:
>
> Maybe I missed it and I could be very wrong it but I think part of this
> project also takes into account the Hartwell Pods/Bemis Hall and the cost
> to sustain those/replace them going forward. That might or might not factor
> into the overall cost and design we are seeing.
>
> There have been community center meetings so I think I personally need to
> go back and watch them to be better educated.
>
> https://www.lincolntown.org/1019/Community-Center-FAQs
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln <
> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>
> What about the cost for ages 65 to 79?
>
> I do think low cost *access* to indoor year-round swimming is important
> for our older population.
>
> Many might find $199 a year to be a lot.
>
> If there is some kind of access to certain facilities at Hanscom for
> seniors that would be very good information to have. Hanscom has fantastic
> health & fitness facilities.
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
>
> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 7:55 AM, Maureen At Beede <
> maureensbeedeem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Lots of Lincoln seniors use beede center in concord.  Full access for
> $199/year if over 80.
>
> On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 7:52 AM Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln <
> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>
> Just out of curiosity, I wonder if our Lincoln seniors could ever be
> granted *certain* access to any of the phenomenal health and fitness
> facilities at Hanscom?
>
>
>
>
> Sent fr

Re: [LincolnTalk] community center

[Sara Mattes]

Elaine,
I am curious as to what kind of programming  might be of interest to you?
Have you looked at the COA offerings?
Perhaps there is a program gap for younger “seniors” - 60-70 year olds?
Spaces may not be the issue, but rather programming.
Perhaps, it is time for updated  “needs assessment” to be shared with all 
before we talk $$s for design.
Or does that exist?
If so, where?

What do “seniors" (ages 60+) really want?

We spent good $$ renovating space in Bemis Hall and now it used to store 
medical equipment.
Perhaps there can be another spot for that storage and reclaiming that space 
for programing, otherwise, we have created a very expensive closet!

Sara Mattes
71 Conant Rd.
(per Lynne Smith’s request)






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> On Oct 26, 2022, at 7:40 AM, Elaine Hawkes  wrote:
> 
> Thank you Seth and others for bringing up the community center. It’s 
> something I have been discussing with other youngish seniors (LSRHS class of 
> 1971)and have a number of concerns.  Although I don’t yet use the senior 
> senior, and do think one with an elevator is important, I’m not sure how many 
> older adults in town use it regularly. In my cohort, there is a greater worry 
> about high property taxes and whether we can afford to continue to pay them 
> if a community center is built.
> 
> “If you build it they will come” 
> (https://www.lincolntown.org/documentcenter/view/35385 
> ) Is this true, 
> particularly with ongoing concerns about covid and availability of classes 
> and meetings on Zoom?
> 
> There are few offerings for adults through the Rec Department. Is that from 
> lack of space or lack of interest? Most people I know go out of town for 
> programs.
> 
> I’m not happy with the design which appears to have a lot of wasted space in 
> its “open concept”. With heating prices going up, how much will it cost to 
> heat this big building?
> 
> I also think the world has changed since 2017 when this community center was 
> first discussed.  I would rather the town spend its money on mixed income 
> housing, for example, which it needs. And, Lincoln’s older homebound adults 
> could stay in their homes if they had more services paid for by the town. 
> This would be a good use of money for seniors.
> 
> Lastly, if an expensive community center must be built, can we at the same 
> time look at allowing more Lincoln homes to build accessory apartments and 
> backyard cottages? This would help seniors pay their higher taxes, and stay 
> in their large homes while benefiting non-high income folks looking for 
> Lincoln housing.
> 
> Elaine
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Re: [LincolnTalk] community center

[Carol Ryan]

I think you can swim at Hanscom if you join the Master’s swim team 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 26, 2022, at 10:08 AM, Carol Ryan  wrote:
> 
> The pool at The Beede Center is great.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Oct 26, 2022, at 10:04 AM, Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>  Have you tried the indoor and outdoor pools at the Waltham YMCA?
>> 
>> Very close by way of Trapelo but I’m not certain of how crowded it gets.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>> 
>> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 9:54 AM, Anne Warner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I would also dearly love access to a good lap pool, both in the summer 
>> (Codman hours for lap swimming are limited to put it mildly, especially for 
>> those of us who work) and in the winter.  I've thought about trying to rally 
>> a group of master swimmers to use Codman in the very early morning (think 
>> 6-7:30?) during the summer -- enough people committed so that we could pay a 
>> lifeguard to be there.  It feels a bit overwhelming to try to organize this, 
>> knowing as few people as I do in Lincoln. Is there anyone out there who 
>> would be interested not only in participating, but in organizing.  
>> 
>> On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 9:43 AM Adam M Hogue  wrote:
>> That is correct. 
>> 
>> Adam M Hogue
>> Cell: (978) 828-6184
>> 
 On Oct 26, 2022, at 4:40 PM, Joanna Owen Schmergel  
 wrote:
 
>>>  As a Veteran, it is my understanding that you cannot use the facilities 
>>> as a Veteran unless you are a retired (20 years) Veteran, or a Veteran with 
>>> special status. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 9:38 AM, Adam M Hogue 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> There is no pool in any of the designs.  Hanscom you have to be military or 
>>> former military personnel to use the base facilities.  
>>> 
>>> Adam M Hogue
>>> Cell: (978) 828-6184
>>> 
> On Oct 26, 2022, at 4:36 PM, Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln 
>  wrote:
> 
  Well, if this does end up going forward at $25 million, I truly hope we 
 can get a nice indoor collegiate sized pool for laps.
 
 
 
 
 Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
 
 On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 9:15 AM, DJCP  wrote:
 
 My kids go to LEAP, the after school program, and we frequently use the 
 Pods for community events and rec dept programs and generally hanging 
 around after school and the Pods are in tough shape.  Much like the school 
 building was before the renovation.  I am sensitive to costs, but 
 significant overhaul of the Pods is needed in the imminent future.  Costs 
 are only going to go up if we put the project off.  And I like the idea of 
 rolling the senior center into the school campus as it would be nice to 
 have the communities intersect more.  (The Girl Scouts in particular 
 already do service projects for the COA&HS and it would be great to expand 
 that.)  Again, I am sensitive to cost, not just for me but the community, 
 but I hope everyone can keep an open mind. 
 
 Diana 
 Giles Rd 
 
 On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 8:27 AM Louis Zipes  wrote:
 Maybe I missed it and I could be very wrong it but I think part of this 
 project also takes into account the Hartwell Pods/Bemis Hall and the cost 
 to sustain those/replace them going forward. That might or might not 
 factor into the overall cost and design we are seeing. 
 
 There have been community center meetings so I think I personally need to 
 go back and watch them to be better educated. 
 
 https://www.lincolntown.org/1019/Community-Center-FAQs
 
 
 
 
 
 On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln 
  wrote:
 What about the cost for ages 65 to 79?
 
 I do think low cost access to indoor year-round swimming is important for 
 our older population.
 
 Many might find $199 a year to be a lot. 
 
 If there is some kind of access to certain facilities at Hanscom for 
 seniors that would be very good information to have. Hanscom has fantastic 
 health & fitness facilities.
 
 
 
 
 Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
 
 On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 7:55 AM, Maureen At Beede 
  wrote:
 
 Lots of Lincoln seniors use beede center in concord.  Full access for 
 $199/year if over 80.  
 
 On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 7:52 AM Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln 
  wrote:
 Just out of curiosity, I wonder if our Lincoln seniors could ever be 
 granted certain access to any of the phenomenal health and fitness 
 facilities at Hanscom?
 
 
 
 
 Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
 
 
 On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 7:41 AM, Elaine Hawkes 
  wrote:
 
 Thank you Seth and others for bringing up the community center. It’s 
 something I have been discussi

Re: [LincolnTalk] community center

[Carol Ryan]

The pool at The Beede Center is great.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 26, 2022, at 10:04 AM, Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln 
>  wrote:
> 
>  Have you tried the indoor and outdoor pools at the Waltham YMCA?
> 
> Very close by way of Trapelo but I’m not certain of how crowded it gets.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 9:54 AM, Anne Warner  
> wrote:
> 
> I would also dearly love access to a good lap pool, both in the summer 
> (Codman hours for lap swimming are limited to put it mildly, especially for 
> those of us who work) and in the winter.  I've thought about trying to rally 
> a group of master swimmers to use Codman in the very early morning (think 
> 6-7:30?) during the summer -- enough people committed so that we could pay a 
> lifeguard to be there.  It feels a bit overwhelming to try to organize this, 
> knowing as few people as I do in Lincoln. Is there anyone out there who would 
> be interested not only in participating, but in organizing.  
> 
> On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 9:43 AM Adam M Hogue  wrote:
> That is correct. 
> 
> Adam M Hogue
> Cell: (978) 828-6184
> 
>>> On Oct 26, 2022, at 4:40 PM, Joanna Owen Schmergel  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>  As a Veteran, it is my understanding that you cannot use the facilities as 
>> a Veteran unless you are a retired (20 years) Veteran, or a Veteran with 
>> special status. 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>> 
>> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 9:38 AM, Adam M Hogue 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> There is no pool in any of the designs.  Hanscom you have to be military or 
>> former military personnel to use the base facilities.  
>> 
>> Adam M Hogue
>> Cell: (978) 828-6184
>> 
 On Oct 26, 2022, at 4:36 PM, Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln 
  wrote:
 
>>>  Well, if this does end up going forward at $25 million, I truly hope we 
>>> can get a nice indoor collegiate sized pool for laps.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 9:15 AM, DJCP  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My kids go to LEAP, the after school program, and we frequently use the 
>>> Pods for community events and rec dept programs and generally hanging 
>>> around after school and the Pods are in tough shape.  Much like the school 
>>> building was before the renovation.  I am sensitive to costs, but 
>>> significant overhaul of the Pods is needed in the imminent future.  Costs 
>>> are only going to go up if we put the project off.  And I like the idea of 
>>> rolling the senior center into the school campus as it would be nice to 
>>> have the communities intersect more.  (The Girl Scouts in particular 
>>> already do service projects for the COA&HS and it would be great to expand 
>>> that.)  Again, I am sensitive to cost, not just for me but the community, 
>>> but I hope everyone can keep an open mind. 
>>> 
>>> Diana 
>>> Giles Rd 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 8:27 AM Louis Zipes  wrote:
>>> Maybe I missed it and I could be very wrong it but I think part of this 
>>> project also takes into account the Hartwell Pods/Bemis Hall and the cost 
>>> to sustain those/replace them going forward. That might or might not factor 
>>> into the overall cost and design we are seeing. 
>>> 
>>> There have been community center meetings so I think I personally need to 
>>> go back and watch them to be better educated. 
>>> 
>>> https://www.lincolntown.org/1019/Community-Center-FAQs
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln 
>>>  wrote:
>>> What about the cost for ages 65 to 79?
>>> 
>>> I do think low cost access to indoor year-round swimming is important for 
>>> our older population.
>>> 
>>> Many might find $199 a year to be a lot. 
>>> 
>>> If there is some kind of access to certain facilities at Hanscom for 
>>> seniors that would be very good information to have. Hanscom has fantastic 
>>> health & fitness facilities.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 7:55 AM, Maureen At Beede 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Lots of Lincoln seniors use beede center in concord.  Full access for 
>>> $199/year if over 80.  
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 7:52 AM Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Just out of curiosity, I wonder if our Lincoln seniors could ever be 
>>> granted certain access to any of the phenomenal health and fitness 
>>> facilities at Hanscom?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 7:41 AM, Elaine Hawkes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thank you Seth and others for bringing up the community center. It’s 
>>> something I have been discussing with other youngish seniors (LSRHS class 
>>> of 1971)and have a number of concerns.  Although I don’t yet use the senior 
>>> senior, and do think one with an elevator is important, I’m not sure how 
>>> many older adults in town use it regularly. In my cohort, there is a 
>>> greater

Re: [LincolnTalk] community center

[Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln]

Have you tried the indoor and outdoor pools at the Waltham YMCA?
Very close by way of Trapelo but I’m not certain of how crowded it gets.



Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 9:54 AM, Anne Warner  
wrote:

I would also dearly love access to a good lap pool, both in the summer (Codman 
hours for lap swimming are limited to put it mildly, especially for those of us 
who work) and in the winter.  I've thought about trying to rally a group of 
master swimmers to use Codman in the very early morning (think 6-7:30?) during 
the summer -- enough people committed so that we could pay a lifeguard to be 
there.  It feels a bit overwhelming to try to organize this, knowing as few 
people as I do in Lincoln. Is there anyone out there who would be interested 
not only in participating, but in organizing.  
On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 9:43 AM Adam M Hogue  wrote:

That is correct. 

Adam M HogueCell: (978) 828-6184

On Oct 26, 2022, at 4:40 PM, Joanna Owen Schmergel  wrote:



As a Veteran, it is my understanding that you cannot use the facilities as a 
Veteran unless you are a retired (20 years) Veteran, or a Veteran with special 
status. 


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 9:38 AM, Adam M Hogue  
wrote:

There is no pool in any of the designs.  Hanscom you have to be military or 
former military personnel to use the base facilities.  

Adam M HogueCell: (978) 828-6184

On Oct 26, 2022, at 4:36 PM, Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln 
 wrote:



Well, if this does end up going forward at $25 million, I truly hope we can 
get a nice indoor collegiate sized pool for laps.



Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 9:15 AM, DJCP  wrote:

My kids go to LEAP, the after school program, and we frequently use the Pods 
for community events and rec dept programs and generally hanging around after 
school and the Pods are in tough shape.  Much like the school building was 
before the renovation.  I am sensitive to costs, but significant overhaul of 
the Pods is needed in the imminent future.  Costs are only going to go up if we 
put the project off.  And I like the idea of rolling the senior center into the 
school campus as it would be nice to have the communities intersect more.  (The 
Girl Scouts in particular already do service projects for the COA&HS and it 
would be great to expand that.)  Again, I am sensitive to cost, not just for me 
but the community, but I hope everyone can keep an open mind. 

Diana 
Giles Rd 

On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 8:27 AM Louis Zipes  wrote:

Maybe I missed it and I could be very wrong it but I think part of this project 
also takes into account the Hartwell Pods/Bemis Hall and the cost to sustain 
those/replace them going forward. That might or might not factor into the 
overall cost and design we are seeing. 
There have been community center meetings so I think I personally need to go 
back and watch them to be better educated. 
https://www.lincolntown.org/1019/Community-Center-FAQs




On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln 
 wrote:

What about the cost for ages 65 to 79?
I do think low cost access to indoor year-round swimming is important for our 
older population.
Many might find $199 a year to be a lot. 
If there is some kind of access to certain facilities at Hanscom for seniors 
that would be very good information to have. Hanscom has fantastic health & 
fitness facilities.




Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 7:55 AM, Maureen At Beede 
 wrote:

Lots of Lincoln seniors use beede center in concord.  Full access for $199/year 
if over 80.  
On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 7:52 AM Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln 
 wrote:

Just out of curiosity, I wonder if our Lincoln seniors could ever be granted 
certain access to any of the phenomenal health and fitness facilities at 
Hanscom?



Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 7:41 AM, Elaine Hawkes  
wrote:

Thank you Seth and others for bringing up the community center. It’s something 
I have been discussing with other youngish seniors (LSRHS class of 1971)and 
have a number of concerns.  Although I don’t yet use the senior senior, and do 
think one with an elevator is important, I’m not sure how many older adults in 
town use it regularly. In my cohort, there is a greater worry about high 
property taxes and whether we can afford to continue to pay them if a community 
center is built.

“If you build it they will come” 
(https://www.lincolntown.org/documentcenter/view/35385) Is this true, 
particularly with ongoing concerns about covid and availability of classes and 
meetings on Zoom?
There are few offerings for adults through the Rec Department. Is that from 
lack of space or lack of interest? Most people I know go out of town for 
programs.
I’m not happy with the design which appears to have a lot of wasted space in 
its “open concept”. With heating prices going up, how much 

Re: [LincolnTalk] Bank of America in Lincoln is now open

[Bob Kupperstein]

And *Credit Unions* - a great choice my opinion.

On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 9:25 AM Paul Shorb  wrote:

> Thanks Anne for sharing that link. The pledge is easy to sign online. Bill
> McKibben has a good theory that pressuring key banks this way can help
> drive large-scale change. "Green" banks and credit cards are available.
>
> On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 8:46 AM Anne Sobol  wrote:
>
>> Bill McKibbon's Third Act is urging people to stop banking with big banks
>> that continue to lend to fossil fuel projects, including Bank of America.
>> https://thirdact.org/act/bank-on-our-future-pledge/  Nothing is easy,
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 8:43 PM Carol Bickford via Lincoln <
>> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>>
>>> —-Exactly how I feel about Town Office hours.
>>>
>>> On Oct 25, 2022, at 7:13 PM, Barbara Low 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  The hours are pretty interesting. When are working people supposed to
>>> go to the bank? 10 to 4 weekdays and no Saturdays.
>>>
>>> Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device
>>> Get Outlook for Android 
>>> --
>>> *From:* Lincoln  on behalf of Sara
>>> Mattes 
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 26, 2022 12:33:52 AM
>>> *To:* suzedu...@aol.com 
>>> *Cc:* Lincoln Talk 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [LincolnTalk] Bank of America in Lincoln is now open
>>>
>>> Hooray!!!
>>> --
>>> Sara Mattes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 25, 2022, at 12:25 PM, Suzette durso via Lincoln <
>>> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Bank of America has finally reopened. They are open M-F 10:00 - 4:00
>>> and closed on Sat.
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Re: [LincolnTalk] community center

[Adam M Hogue]

That is correct. Adam M HogueCell: (978) 828-6184On Oct 26, 2022, at 4:40 PM, Joanna Owen Schmergel  wrote:
As a Veteran, it is my understanding that you cannot use the facilities as a Veteran unless you are a retired (20 years) Veteran, or a Veteran with special status. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhoneOn Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 9:38 AM, Adam M Hogue  wrote:There is no pool in any of the designs.  Hanscom you have to be military or former military personnel to use the base facilities.  Adam M HogueCell: (978) 828-6184On Oct 26, 2022, at 4:36 PM, Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln  wrote:
Well, if this does end up going forward at $25 million, I truly hope we can get a nice indoor collegiate sized pool for laps.Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhoneOn Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 9:15 AM, DJCP  wrote:My kids go to LEAP, the after school program, and we frequently use the Pods for community events and rec dept programs and generally hanging around after school and the Pods are in tough shape.  Much like the school building was before the renovation.  I am sensitive to costs, but significant overhaul of the Pods is needed in the imminent future.  Costs are only going to go up if we put the project off.  And I like the idea of rolling the senior center into the school campus as it would be nice to have the communities intersect more.  (The Girl Scouts in particular already do service projects for the COA&HS and it would be great to expand that.)  Again, I am sensitive to cost, not just for me but the community, but I hope everyone can keep an open mind. Diana Giles Rd On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 8:27 AM Louis Zipes  wrote:Maybe I missed it and I could be very wrong it but I think part of this project also takes into account the Hartwell Pods/Bemis Hall and the cost to sustain those/replace them going forward. That might or might not factor into the overall cost and design we are seeing. There have been community center meetings so I think I personally need to go back and watch them to be better educated. https://www.lincolntown.org/1019/Community-Center-FAQsOn Wednesday, October 26, 2022, Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln  wrote:
What about the cost for ages 65 to 79?I do think low cost access to indoor year-round swimming is important for our older population.Many might find $199 a year to be a lot. If there is some kind of access to certain facilities at Hanscom for seniors that would be very good information to have. Hanscom has fantastic health & fitness facilities.Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhoneOn Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 7:55 AM, Maureen At Beede  wrote:Lots of Lincoln seniors use beede center in concord.  Full access for $199/year if over 80.  On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 7:52 AM Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln  wrote:
Just out of curiosity, I wonder if our Lincoln seniors could ever be granted certain access to any of the phenomenal health and fitness facilities at Hanscom?Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhoneOn Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 7:41 AM, Elaine Hawkes  wrote:Thank you Seth and others for bringing up the community center. It’s something I have been discussing with other youngish seniors (LSRHS class of 1971)and have a number of concerns.  Although I don’t yet use the senior senior, and do think one with an elevator is important, I’m not sure how many older adults in town use it regularly. In my cohort, there is a greater worry about high property taxes and whether we can afford to continue to pay them if a community center is built.“If you build it they will come” (https://www.lincolntown.org/documentcenter/view/35385) Is this true, particularly with ongoing concerns about covid and availability of classes and meetings on Zoom?There are few offerings for adults through the Rec Department. Is that from lack of space or lack of interest? Most people I know go out of town for programs.I’m not happy with the design which appears to have a lot of wasted space in its “open concept”. With heating prices going up, how much will it cost to heat this big building?I also think the world has changed since 2017 when this community center was first discussed.  I would rather the town spend its money on mixed income housing, for example, which it needs. And, Lincoln’s older homebound adults could stay in their homes if they had more services paid for by the town. This would be a good use of money for seniors.Lastly, if an expensive community center must be built, can we at the same time look at allowing more Lincoln homes to build accessory apartments and backyard cottages? This would help seniors pay their higher taxes, and stay in their large homes while benefiting non-high income folks looking for Lincoln housing.Elaine-- The LincolnTalk mailing list.To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org.Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/.Browse the archives at https://pair

Re: [LincolnTalk] community center

[Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln]

As a Veteran, it is my understanding that you cannot use the facilities as a 
Veteran unless you are a retired (20 years) Veteran, or a Veteran with special 
status. 


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 9:38 AM, Adam M Hogue  
wrote:

There is no pool in any of the designs.  Hanscom you have to be military or 
former military personnel to use the base facilities.  

Adam M HogueCell: (978) 828-6184

On Oct 26, 2022, at 4:36 PM, Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln 
 wrote:



Well, if this does end up going forward at $25 million, I truly hope we can 
get a nice indoor collegiate sized pool for laps.



Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 9:15 AM, DJCP  wrote:

My kids go to LEAP, the after school program, and we frequently use the Pods 
for community events and rec dept programs and generally hanging around after 
school and the Pods are in tough shape.  Much like the school building was 
before the renovation.  I am sensitive to costs, but significant overhaul of 
the Pods is needed in the imminent future.  Costs are only going to go up if we 
put the project off.  And I like the idea of rolling the senior center into the 
school campus as it would be nice to have the communities intersect more.  (The 
Girl Scouts in particular already do service projects for the COA&HS and it 
would be great to expand that.)  Again, I am sensitive to cost, not just for me 
but the community, but I hope everyone can keep an open mind. 

Diana 
Giles Rd 

On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 8:27 AM Louis Zipes  wrote:

Maybe I missed it and I could be very wrong it but I think part of this project 
also takes into account the Hartwell Pods/Bemis Hall and the cost to sustain 
those/replace them going forward. That might or might not factor into the 
overall cost and design we are seeing. 
There have been community center meetings so I think I personally need to go 
back and watch them to be better educated. 
https://www.lincolntown.org/1019/Community-Center-FAQs




On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln 
 wrote:

What about the cost for ages 65 to 79?
I do think low cost access to indoor year-round swimming is important for our 
older population.
Many might find $199 a year to be a lot. 
If there is some kind of access to certain facilities at Hanscom for seniors 
that would be very good information to have. Hanscom has fantastic health & 
fitness facilities.




Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 7:55 AM, Maureen At Beede 
 wrote:

Lots of Lincoln seniors use beede center in concord.  Full access for $199/year 
if over 80.  
On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 7:52 AM Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln 
 wrote:

Just out of curiosity, I wonder if our Lincoln seniors could ever be granted 
certain access to any of the phenomenal health and fitness facilities at 
Hanscom?



Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 7:41 AM, Elaine Hawkes  
wrote:

Thank you Seth and others for bringing up the community center. It’s something 
I have been discussing with other youngish seniors (LSRHS class of 1971)and 
have a number of concerns.  Although I don’t yet use the senior senior, and do 
think one with an elevator is important, I’m not sure how many older adults in 
town use it regularly. In my cohort, there is a greater worry about high 
property taxes and whether we can afford to continue to pay them if a community 
center is built.

“If you build it they will come” 
(https://www.lincolntown.org/documentcenter/view/35385) Is this true, 
particularly with ongoing concerns about covid and availability of classes and 
meetings on Zoom?
There are few offerings for adults through the Rec Department. Is that from 
lack of space or lack of interest? Most people I know go out of town for 
programs.
I’m not happy with the design which appears to have a lot of wasted space in 
its “open concept”. With heating prices going up, how much will it cost to heat 
this big building?
I also think the world has changed since 2017 when this community center was 
first discussed.  I would rather the town spend its money on mixed income 
housing, for example, which it needs. And, Lincoln’s older homebound adults 
could stay in their homes if they had more services paid for by the town. This 
would be a good use of money for seniors.
Lastly, if an expensive community center must be built, can we at the same time 
look at allowing more Lincoln homes to build accessory apartments and backyard 
cottages? This would help seniors pay their higher taxes, and stay in their 
large homes while benefiting non-high income folks looking for Lincoln housing.
Elaine-- 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] community center

[Adam M Hogue]

There is no pool in any of the designs.  Hanscom you have to be military or former military personnel to use the base facilities.  Adam M HogueCell: (978) 828-6184On Oct 26, 2022, at 4:36 PM, Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln  wrote:
Well, if this does end up going forward at $25 million, I truly hope we can get a nice indoor collegiate sized pool for laps.Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhoneOn Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 9:15 AM, DJCP  wrote:My kids go to LEAP, the after school program, and we frequently use the Pods for community events and rec dept programs and generally hanging around after school and the Pods are in tough shape.  Much like the school building was before the renovation.  I am sensitive to costs, but significant overhaul of the Pods is needed in the imminent future.  Costs are only going to go up if we put the project off.  And I like the idea of rolling the senior center into the school campus as it would be nice to have the communities intersect more.  (The Girl Scouts in particular already do service projects for the COA&HS and it would be great to expand that.)  Again, I am sensitive to cost, not just for me but the community, but I hope everyone can keep an open mind. Diana Giles Rd On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 8:27 AM Louis Zipes  wrote:Maybe I missed it and I could be very wrong it but I think part of this project also takes into account the Hartwell Pods/Bemis Hall and the cost to sustain those/replace them going forward. That might or might not factor into the overall cost and design we are seeing. There have been community center meetings so I think I personally need to go back and watch them to be better educated. https://www.lincolntown.org/1019/Community-Center-FAQsOn Wednesday, October 26, 2022, Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln  wrote:
What about the cost for ages 65 to 79?I do think low cost access to indoor year-round swimming is important for our older population.Many might find $199 a year to be a lot. If there is some kind of access to certain facilities at Hanscom for seniors that would be very good information to have. Hanscom has fantastic health & fitness facilities.Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhoneOn Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 7:55 AM, Maureen At Beede  wrote:Lots of Lincoln seniors use beede center in concord.  Full access for $199/year if over 80.  On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 7:52 AM Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln  wrote:
Just out of curiosity, I wonder if our Lincoln seniors could ever be granted certain access to any of the phenomenal health and fitness facilities at Hanscom?Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhoneOn Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 7:41 AM, Elaine Hawkes  wrote:Thank you Seth and others for bringing up the community center. It’s something I have been discussing with other youngish seniors (LSRHS class of 1971)and have a number of concerns.  Although I don’t yet use the senior senior, and do think one with an elevator is important, I’m not sure how many older adults in town use it regularly. In my cohort, there is a greater worry about high property taxes and whether we can afford to continue to pay them if a community center is built.“If you build it they will come” (https://www.lincolntown.org/documentcenter/view/35385) Is this true, particularly with ongoing concerns about covid and availability of classes and meetings on Zoom?There are few offerings for adults through the Rec Department. Is that from lack of space or lack of interest? Most people I know go out of town for programs.I’m not happy with the design which appears to have a lot of wasted space in its “open concept”. With heating prices going up, how much will it cost to heat this big building?I also think the world has changed since 2017 when this community center was first discussed.  I would rather the town spend its money on mixed income housing, for example, which it needs. And, Lincoln’s older homebound adults could stay in their homes if they had more services paid for by the town. This would be a good use of money for seniors.Lastly, if an expensive community center must be built, can we at the same time look at allowing more Lincoln homes to build accessory apartments and backyard cottages? This would help seniors pay their higher taxes, and stay in their large homes while benefiting non-high income folks looking for Lincoln housing.Elaine-- The LincolnTalk mailing list.To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org.Search the archives at http://lincoln.2330058.n4.nabble.com/.Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/.Change your subscription settings at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln.
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Re: [LincolnTalk] community center

[Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln]

Well, if this does end up going forward at $25 million, I truly hope we can get 
a nice indoor collegiate sized pool for laps.



Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 9:15 AM, DJCP  wrote:

My kids go to LEAP, the after school program, and we frequently use the Pods 
for community events and rec dept programs and generally hanging around after 
school and the Pods are in tough shape.  Much like the school building was 
before the renovation.  I am sensitive to costs, but significant overhaul of 
the Pods is needed in the imminent future.  Costs are only going to go up if we 
put the project off.  And I like the idea of rolling the senior center into the 
school campus as it would be nice to have the communities intersect more.  (The 
Girl Scouts in particular already do service projects for the COA&HS and it 
would be great to expand that.)  Again, I am sensitive to cost, not just for me 
but the community, but I hope everyone can keep an open mind. 

Diana 
Giles Rd 

On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 8:27 AM Louis Zipes  wrote:

Maybe I missed it and I could be very wrong it but I think part of this project 
also takes into account the Hartwell Pods/Bemis Hall and the cost to sustain 
those/replace them going forward. That might or might not factor into the 
overall cost and design we are seeing. 
There have been community center meetings so I think I personally need to go 
back and watch them to be better educated. 
https://www.lincolntown.org/1019/Community-Center-FAQs




On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln 
 wrote:

What about the cost for ages 65 to 79?
I do think low cost access to indoor year-round swimming is important for our 
older population.
Many might find $199 a year to be a lot. 
If there is some kind of access to certain facilities at Hanscom for seniors 
that would be very good information to have. Hanscom has fantastic health & 
fitness facilities.




Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 7:55 AM, Maureen At Beede 
 wrote:

Lots of Lincoln seniors use beede center in concord.  Full access for $199/year 
if over 80.  
On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 7:52 AM Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln 
 wrote:

Just out of curiosity, I wonder if our Lincoln seniors could ever be granted 
certain access to any of the phenomenal health and fitness facilities at 
Hanscom?



Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 7:41 AM, Elaine Hawkes  
wrote:

Thank you Seth and others for bringing up the community center. It’s something 
I have been discussing with other youngish seniors (LSRHS class of 1971)and 
have a number of concerns.  Although I don’t yet use the senior senior, and do 
think one with an elevator is important, I’m not sure how many older adults in 
town use it regularly. In my cohort, there is a greater worry about high 
property taxes and whether we can afford to continue to pay them if a community 
center is built.

“If you build it they will come” 
(https://www.lincolntown.org/documentcenter/view/35385) Is this true, 
particularly with ongoing concerns about covid and availability of classes and 
meetings on Zoom?
There are few offerings for adults through the Rec Department. Is that from 
lack of space or lack of interest? Most people I know go out of town for 
programs.
I’m not happy with the design which appears to have a lot of wasted space in 
its “open concept”. With heating prices going up, how much will it cost to heat 
this big building?
I also think the world has changed since 2017 when this community center was 
first discussed.  I would rather the town spend its money on mixed income 
housing, for example, which it needs. And, Lincoln’s older homebound adults 
could stay in their homes if they had more services paid for by the town. This 
would be a good use of money for seniors.
Lastly, if an expensive community center must be built, can we at the same time 
look at allowing more Lincoln homes to build accessory apartments and backyard 
cottages? This would help seniors pay their higher taxes, and stay in their 
large homes while benefiting non-high income folks looking for Lincoln housing.
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Bank of America in Lincoln is now open

[Paul Shorb]

Thanks Anne for sharing that link. The pledge is easy to sign online. Bill
McKibben has a good theory that pressuring key banks this way can help
drive large-scale change. "Green" banks and credit cards are available.

On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 8:46 AM Anne Sobol  wrote:

> Bill McKibbon's Third Act is urging people to stop banking with big banks
> that continue to lend to fossil fuel projects, including Bank of America.
> https://thirdact.org/act/bank-on-our-future-pledge/  Nothing is easy,
>
> On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 8:43 PM Carol Bickford via Lincoln <
> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>
>> —-Exactly how I feel about Town Office hours.
>>
>> On Oct 25, 2022, at 7:13 PM, Barbara Low  wrote:
>>
>>  The hours are pretty interesting. When are working people supposed to
>> go to the bank? 10 to 4 weekdays and no Saturdays.
>>
>> Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device
>> Get Outlook for Android 
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>> *From:* Lincoln  on behalf of Sara
>> Mattes 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 26, 2022 12:33:52 AM
>> *To:* suzedu...@aol.com 
>> *Cc:* Lincoln Talk 
>> *Subject:* Re: [LincolnTalk] Bank of America in Lincoln is now open
>>
>> Hooray!!!
>> --
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 25, 2022, at 12:25 PM, Suzette durso via Lincoln <
>> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>>
>> Bank of America has finally reopened. They are open M-F 10:00 - 4:00  and
>> closed on Sat.
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Re: [LincolnTalk] community center

[DJCP]

My kids go to LEAP, the after school program, and we frequently use the
Pods for community events and rec dept programs and generally hanging
around after school and the Pods are in tough shape.  Much like the school
building was before the renovation.  I am sensitive to costs, but
significant overhaul of the Pods is needed in the imminent future.  Costs
are only going to go up if we put the project off.  And I like the idea of
rolling the senior center into the school campus as it would be nice to
have the communities intersect more.  (The Girl Scouts in particular
already do service projects for the COA&HS and it would be great to expand
that.)  Again, I am sensitive to cost, not just for me but the community,
but I hope everyone can keep an open mind.

Diana
Giles Rd

On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 8:27 AM Louis Zipes  wrote:

> Maybe I missed it and I could be very wrong it but I think part of this
> project also takes into account the Hartwell Pods/Bemis Hall and the cost
> to sustain those/replace them going forward. That might or might not factor
> into the overall cost and design we are seeing.
>
> There have been community center meetings so I think I personally need to
> go back and watch them to be better educated.
>
> https://www.lincolntown.org/1019/Community-Center-FAQs
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln <
> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>
>> What about the cost for ages 65 to 79?
>>
>> I do think low cost *access* to indoor year-round swimming is important
>> for our older population.
>>
>> Many might find $199 a year to be a lot.
>>
>> If there is some kind of access to certain facilities at Hanscom for
>> seniors that would be very good information to have. Hanscom has fantastic
>> health & fitness facilities.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>> 
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 7:55 AM, Maureen At Beede <
>> maureensbeedeem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Lots of Lincoln seniors use beede center in concord.  Full access for
>> $199/year if over 80.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 7:52 AM Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln <
>> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>>
>> Just out of curiosity, I wonder if our Lincoln seniors could ever be
>> granted *certain* access to any of the phenomenal health and fitness
>> facilities at Hanscom?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 7:41 AM, Elaine Hawkes <
>> elainehaw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you Seth and others for bringing up the community center. It’s
>> something I have been discussing with other youngish seniors (LSRHS class
>> of 1971)and have a number of concerns.  Although I don’t yet use the senior
>> senior, and do think one with an elevator is important, I’m not sure how
>> many older adults in town use it regularly. In my cohort, there is a
>> greater worry about high property taxes and whether we can afford to
>> continue to pay them if a community center is built.
>>
>> “If you build it they will come” (
>> https://www.lincolntown.org/documentcenter/view/35385) Is this true,
>> particularly with ongoing concerns about covid and availability of
>> classes and meetings on Zoom?
>>
>> There are few offerings for adults through the Rec Department. Is that
>> from lack of space or lack of interest? Most people I know go out of town
>> for programs.
>>
>> I’m not happy with the design which appears to have a lot of wasted space
>> in its “open concept”. With heating prices going up, how much will it cost
>> to heat this big building?
>>
>> I also think the world has changed since 2017 when this community center
>> was first discussed.  I would rather the town spend its money on mixed
>> income housing, for example, which it needs. And, Lincoln’s older homebound
>> adults could stay in their homes if they had more services paid for by the
>> town. This would be a good use of money for seniors.
>>
>> Lastly, if an expensive community center must be built, can we at the
>> same time look at allowing more Lincoln homes to build accessory apartments
>> and backyard cottages? This would help seniors pay their higher taxes, and
>> stay in their large homes while benefiting non-high income folks looking
>> for Lincoln housing.
>>
>> Elaine
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[LincolnTalk] SK: Lincoln METCO Coordinating Committee seeks donation of two L.L. Bean snow sled tubes

[Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln]

Hi Folks! 
The Lincoln METCO Coordinating Committee is seeking donations of two 
serviceable L.L. Bean snow 🛷 tubes for winter carnival this February.
Last year we discovered that they are the safest and most indestructible 
option. But they are pricey!!
If you have one or more to donate, please call Joanna and I will come pick them 
up.
Joanna Schmergel 18 Cerulean Way 
617-645-9059





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Re: [LincolnTalk] Bank of America in Lincoln is now open

[Anne Sobol]

Bill McKibbon's Third Act is urging people to stop banking with big banks
that continue to lend to fossil fuel projects, including Bank of America.
https://thirdact.org/act/bank-on-our-future-pledge/  Nothing is easy,

On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 8:43 PM Carol Bickford via Lincoln <
lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:

> —-Exactly how I feel about Town Office hours.
>
> On Oct 25, 2022, at 7:13 PM, Barbara Low  wrote:
>
>  The hours are pretty interesting. When are working people supposed to go
> to the bank? 10 to 4 weekdays and no Saturdays.
>
> Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device
> Get Outlook for Android 
> --
> *From:* Lincoln  on behalf of Sara
> Mattes 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 26, 2022 12:33:52 AM
> *To:* suzedu...@aol.com 
> *Cc:* Lincoln Talk 
> *Subject:* Re: [LincolnTalk] Bank of America in Lincoln is now open
>
> Hooray!!!
> --
> Sara Mattes
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 25, 2022, at 12:25 PM, Suzette durso via Lincoln <
> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>
> Bank of America has finally reopened. They are open M-F 10:00 - 4:00  and
> closed on Sat.
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Re: [LincolnTalk] community center

[Louis Zipes]

Maybe I missed it and I could be very wrong it but I think part of this
project also takes into account the Hartwell Pods/Bemis Hall and the cost
to sustain those/replace them going forward. That might or might not factor
into the overall cost and design we are seeing.

There have been community center meetings so I think I personally need to
go back and watch them to be better educated.

https://www.lincolntown.org/1019/Community-Center-FAQs





On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln <
lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:

> What about the cost for ages 65 to 79?
>
> I do think low cost *access* to indoor year-round swimming is important
> for our older population.
>
> Many might find $199 a year to be a lot.
>
> If there is some kind of access to certain facilities at Hanscom for
> seniors that would be very good information to have. Hanscom has fantastic
> health & fitness facilities.
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
>
> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 7:55 AM, Maureen At Beede <
> maureensbeedeem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Lots of Lincoln seniors use beede center in concord.  Full access for
> $199/year if over 80.
>
> On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 7:52 AM Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln <
> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>
> Just out of curiosity, I wonder if our Lincoln seniors could ever be
> granted *certain* access to any of the phenomenal health and fitness
> facilities at Hanscom?
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 7:41 AM, Elaine Hawkes <
> elainehaw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thank you Seth and others for bringing up the community center. It’s
> something I have been discussing with other youngish seniors (LSRHS class
> of 1971)and have a number of concerns.  Although I don’t yet use the senior
> senior, and do think one with an elevator is important, I’m not sure how
> many older adults in town use it regularly. In my cohort, there is a
> greater worry about high property taxes and whether we can afford to
> continue to pay them if a community center is built.
>
> “If you build it they will come” (https://www.lincolntown.org/
> documentcenter/view/35385) Is this true, particularly with ongoing concerns
> about covid and availability of classes and meetings on Zoom?
>
> There are few offerings for adults through the Rec Department. Is that
> from lack of space or lack of interest? Most people I know go out of town
> for programs.
>
> I’m not happy with the design which appears to have a lot of wasted space
> in its “open concept”. With heating prices going up, how much will it cost
> to heat this big building?
>
> I also think the world has changed since 2017 when this community center
> was first discussed.  I would rather the town spend its money on mixed
> income housing, for example, which it needs. And, Lincoln’s older homebound
> adults could stay in their homes if they had more services paid for by the
> town. This would be a good use of money for seniors.
>
> Lastly, if an expensive community center must be built, can we at the same
> time look at allowing more Lincoln homes to build accessory apartments and
> backyard cottages? This would help seniors pay their higher taxes, and stay
> in their large homes while benefiting non-high income folks looking for
> Lincoln housing.
>
> Elaine
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Re: [LincolnTalk] community center

[Lynne Smith]

All,
I am following this discussion closely as I too am concerned about the prospect 
of a community center.

Perhaps we will need a more formal discussion group as these comments may 
overload Lincoln Talk.

Please include your first and last name and your street name to make the 
discussion more open.

I’m glad to be part of Lincoln and appreciate lively residential discussions, 
not diatribes.

Best,
Lynne Smith

Lynne Smith
5 Tabor Hill Road
Lincoln, MA 01773
781-258-1175
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> On 26 Oct 2022, at 8:05 a.m., Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln 
>  wrote:
> 
>  What about the cost for ages 65 to 79?
> 
> I do think low cost access to indoor year-round swimming is important for our 
> older population.
> 
> Many might find $199 a year to be a lot. 
> 
> If there is some kind of access to certain facilities at Hanscom for seniors 
> that would be very good information to have. Hanscom has fantastic health & 
> fitness facilities.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 7:55 AM, Maureen At Beede 
>  wrote:
> 
> Lots of Lincoln seniors use beede center in concord.  Full access for 
> $199/year if over 80.  
> 
> On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 7:52 AM Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln 
>  wrote:
> Just out of curiosity, I wonder if our Lincoln seniors could ever be granted 
> certain access to any of the phenomenal health and fitness facilities at 
> Hanscom?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 7:41 AM, Elaine Hawkes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thank you Seth and others for bringing up the community center. It’s 
> something I have been discussing with other youngish seniors (LSRHS class of 
> 1971)and have a number of concerns.  Although I don’t yet use the senior 
> senior, and do think one with an elevator is important, I’m not sure how many 
> older adults in town use it regularly. In my cohort, there is a greater worry 
> about high property taxes and whether we can afford to continue to pay them 
> if a community center is built.
> 
> “If you build it they will come” 
> (https://www.lincolntown.org/documentcenter/view/35385) Is this true, 
> particularly with ongoing concerns about covid and availability of classes 
> and meetings on Zoom?
> 
> There are few offerings for adults through the Rec Department. Is that from 
> lack of space or lack of interest? Most people I know go out of town for 
> programs.
> 
> I’m not happy with the design which appears to have a lot of wasted space in 
> its “open concept”. With heating prices going up, how much will it cost to 
> heat this big building?
> 
> I also think the world has changed since 2017 when this community center was 
> first discussed.  I would rather the town spend its money on mixed income 
> housing, for example, which it needs. And, Lincoln’s older homebound adults 
> could stay in their homes if they had more services paid for by the town. 
> This would be a good use of money for seniors.
> 
> Lastly, if an expensive community center must be built, can we at the same 
> time look at allowing more Lincoln homes to build accessory apartments and 
> backyard cottages? This would help seniors pay their higher taxes, and stay 
> in their large homes while benefiting non-high income folks looking for 
> Lincoln housing.
> 
> Elaine
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Re: [LincolnTalk] community center

[Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln]

What about the cost for ages 65 to 79?
I do think low cost access to indoor year-round swimming is important for our 
older population.
Many might find $199 a year to be a lot. 
If there is some kind of access to certain facilities at Hanscom for seniors 
that would be very good information to have. Hanscom has fantastic health & 
fitness facilities.




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On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 7:55 AM, Maureen At Beede 
 wrote:

Lots of Lincoln seniors use beede center in concord.  Full access for $199/year 
if over 80.  
On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 7:52 AM Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln 
 wrote:

Just out of curiosity, I wonder if our Lincoln seniors could ever be granted 
certain access to any of the phenomenal health and fitness facilities at 
Hanscom?



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On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 7:41 AM, Elaine Hawkes  
wrote:

Thank you Seth and others for bringing up the community center. It’s something 
I have been discussing with other youngish seniors (LSRHS class of 1971)and 
have a number of concerns.  Although I don’t yet use the senior senior, and do 
think one with an elevator is important, I’m not sure how many older adults in 
town use it regularly. In my cohort, there is a greater worry about high 
property taxes and whether we can afford to continue to pay them if a community 
center is built.

“If you build it they will come” 
(https://www.lincolntown.org/documentcenter/view/35385) Is this true, 
particularly with ongoing concerns about covid and availability of classes and 
meetings on Zoom?
There are few offerings for adults through the Rec Department. Is that from 
lack of space or lack of interest? Most people I know go out of town for 
programs.
I’m not happy with the design which appears to have a lot of wasted space in 
its “open concept”. With heating prices going up, how much will it cost to heat 
this big building?
I also think the world has changed since 2017 when this community center was 
first discussed.  I would rather the town spend its money on mixed income 
housing, for example, which it needs. And, Lincoln’s older homebound adults 
could stay in their homes if they had more services paid for by the town. This 
would be a good use of money for seniors.
Lastly, if an expensive community center must be built, can we at the same time 
look at allowing more Lincoln homes to build accessory apartments and backyard 
cottages? This would help seniors pay their higher taxes, and stay in their 
large homes while benefiting non-high income folks looking for Lincoln housing.
Elaine-- 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] community center

[Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln]

Just out of curiosity, I wonder if our Lincoln seniors could ever be granted 
certain access to any of the phenomenal health and fitness facilities at 
Hanscom?



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On Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 7:41 AM, Elaine Hawkes  
wrote:

Thank you Seth and others for bringing up the community center. It’s something 
I have been discussing with other youngish seniors (LSRHS class of 1971)and 
have a number of concerns.  Although I don’t yet use the senior senior, and do 
think one with an elevator is important, I’m not sure how many older adults in 
town use it regularly. In my cohort, there is a greater worry about high 
property taxes and whether we can afford to continue to pay them if a community 
center is built.

“If you build it they will come” 
(https://www.lincolntown.org/documentcenter/view/35385) Is this true, 
particularly with ongoing concerns about covid and availability of classes and 
meetings on Zoom?
There are few offerings for adults through the Rec Department. Is that from 
lack of space or lack of interest? Most people I know go out of town for 
programs.
I’m not happy with the design which appears to have a lot of wasted space in 
its “open concept”. With heating prices going up, how much will it cost to heat 
this big building?
I also think the world has changed since 2017 when this community center was 
first discussed.  I would rather the town spend its money on mixed income 
housing, for example, which it needs. And, Lincoln’s older homebound adults 
could stay in their homes if they had more services paid for by the town. This 
would be a good use of money for seniors.
Lastly, if an expensive community center must be built, can we at the same time 
look at allowing more Lincoln homes to build accessory apartments and backyard 
cottages? This would help seniors pay their higher taxes, and stay in their 
large homes while benefiting non-high income folks looking for Lincoln housing.
Elaine-- 
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[LincolnTalk] community center

[Elaine Hawkes]

Thank you Seth and others for bringing up the community center. It’s something 
I have been discussing with other youngish seniors (LSRHS class of 1971)and 
have a number of concerns.  Although I don’t yet use the senior senior, and do 
think one with an elevator is important, I’m not sure how many older adults in 
town use it regularly. In my cohort, there is a greater worry about high 
property taxes and whether we can afford to continue to pay them if a community 
center is built.

“If you build it they will come” 
(https://www.lincolntown.org/documentcenter/view/35385) Is this true, 
particularly with ongoing concerns about covid and availability of classes and 
meetings on Zoom?

There are few offerings for adults through the Rec Department. Is that from 
lack of space or lack of interest? Most people I know go out of town for 
programs.

I’m not happy with the design which appears to have a lot of wasted space in 
its “open concept”. With heating prices going up, how much will it cost to heat 
this big building?

I also think the world has changed since 2017 when this community center was 
first discussed.  I would rather the town spend its money on mixed income 
housing, for example, which it needs. And, Lincoln’s older homebound adults 
could stay in their homes if they had more services paid for by the town. This 
would be a good use of money for seniors.

Lastly, if an expensive community center must be built, can we at the same time 
look at allowing more Lincoln homes to build accessory apartments and backyard 
cottages? This would help seniors pay their higher taxes, and stay in their 
large homes while benefiting non-high income folks looking for Lincoln housing.

Elaine-- 
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