[LincolnTalk] Fwd: Last Berklee College Faculty Jazz Concert for this year. Sunday, October 29, 2023, 3:00 P.M. First Parish in Wayland

[Lynne Smith]

This jazz concert series was started by a friend who is a Berklee professor. 
Hope jazz lovers will attend!

> LAST  BERKLEE COLLEGE FACULTY JAZZ CONCERT FOR 2023
> SAVE THE DATE:SUNDAY, OCTOBER 29,   3:00 P.M.   FIRST PARISH IN WAYLAND
>  225 BOSTON POST ROAD, WAYLAND, MA
> 
> 
> JASON YEAGER QUARTET
> PIANO (Jason Yeager),  ALTO SAX (Randal Despommier), DRUMS (Yoron Israel) , 
> BASS (Brad Barrett)
> 
> MORE INFO AT ARTSWAYLAND.COM
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[LincolnTalk] Lincoln's Choice -Your Voice - Oct 10th critical

[Barbara Peskin]

Dear Lincoln,
*What will our choice for Lincoln's future be at Town meeting?* It may
depend on our collective voices October 10th. My thoughts for HCAWG and a
more thorough explanation from a fellow citizen are below:


Dear Housing Choice Act Working Group,

1) I agree with the viewpoint Bob Domnitz voiced on LIncoln Talk and below.

In addition:
2) Lincoln has long supported a variety of housing options and we have a
lot of housing already - it is important that everyone on the working group
visits all the sections of town mentioned to see all the existing housing
we have.

3) The MBTA is not currently a popular choice of transportation nor the
only choice of transportation for those units - it is highly likely that
400-500 additional units of housing at Lincoln Station will bring two cars
per unit - that is another 800-1000 cars of daily traffic for the town.

4) Lincoln is Lincoln - putting a proposal forward for dense housing in one
location is not in keeping with and would be a stresser on Lincoln's
important history of being a town where people can live in and with nature.

If this is a choice - why would we put the strain on the people currently
living near Lincoln Station, people visiting and driving through Lincoln
Station, and the schools and other services. If you go forward with a plan
to propose 1000 additional cars at Lincoln Station and 500 additional
housing units in one location, is it not the end of the Lincoln we know?

Sincerely,
Barbara Peskin
299 South Great Rd


*From:* Robert Domnitz 
*Sent:* Friday, October 6, 2023 1:30 PM
*To:* lincoln@lincolntalk.org
*Subject:* [LincolnTalk] Thoughts on the Housing Choice Act and the October
10th Multi-Board Meeting

As a recently-retired member of the Planning Board and Housing Choice Act
Working Group, I am concerned that the three options presented last
Saturday at the SOTT - and the plan to choose just one of those options at
a multi-board meeting on October 10th - will restrict Town Meeting to
merely rubber-stamping the HCAWG's decision. And the HCAWG's decision will
reflect its embedded priorities that may differ from what town meeting
would choose if we are given more options. I therefore think it is crucial
for the HCAWG to submit several options to the state for advisory opinions
prior to Town Meeting. All options should be presented to Town Meeting for
debate and vote.


I'd like to expand on some of the points made - and some of the points
omitted - by the presenters at last Saturday's SOTT meeting.


1. *About 35% of the town's residences are currently multi-family* (not
including Hanscom Field, see list below). Most folks are surprised when
they hear this. Lincoln has done an outstanding job allowing multi-family
living while maintaining our rural character. With full build-out under the
HCA, multi-family housing will approach 50% of the town's inventory.


2. *State guidelines for the HCA provide a mechanism for towns to get
credit for existing multifamily housing.* Towns are free to locate
HCA-compliant subdistricts in areas that currently have high residential
density. These subdistricts will help us meet our "quota," even though it
is very unlikely these areas will be redeveloped.


3. *An evaluation of the various options requires consideration of the
likelihood that redevelopment will actually occur.* Existing condo
developments would require consent of the owners to redevelop, with the
particular procedures laid out in the condominiums' organizational
documents. If condo owners don't want redevelopment to happen, it won't
happen. Existing apartment buildings (e.g., Oriole Landing) owned by a
single entity would only require a decision by that entity and would depend
on their analysis of whether an increase in density would justify the cost
of redevelopment. On the other hand, rezoning single family homes on Codman
Road as shown in options A,B, and C from the HCAWG would likely result in
rapid redevelopment, as owners on Codman Road take advantage of the jump in
value that would result from the increase in development potential.


4. *State guidelines require that only 20% of the HCA-compliant district be
located in the vicinity of the commuter rail station*. The other 80% can be
anywhere in town. However, the HCAWG eliminated consideration of the Farrar
Pond and Lincoln Ridge condos as "too far from any amenities and public
transit." See link below to p. 17 of SOTT slide deck. This area could be
used as part of our plan for compliance; the HCAWG's decision to eliminate
consideration of this area reflects their prioritization of access to
public transit and goes beyond what the state requires. Similarly, the
Commons/Oriole Landing area was removed from consideration by the HCAWG
because it is "not walkable to any public transit or public amenities." See
p. 20 of SOTT slide deck. Instead, the HCAWG has proposed placing 100% of
the district in Lincoln Station (option C) or adding to option C additional
subdistricts in North Linc

[LincolnTalk] Button accordion to lend?

[Jessica Packineau]

Hello neighbors,Does anyone happen to have a button accordion they that a French exchange student could borrow for a couple of weeks? She is staying with friends of ours on the North Shore and she didn’t bring hers. We all play music together, though, and would love to include her. Thanks!-Jess Jessica Packineau 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Bake Sale

[Robert Hicks]

On Mon, Oct 9, 2023, 10:50 AM Myvette Fernandez 
wrote:

> Fresh home baked sweets at the Yard Sale at the Weston Church on Route 117!
>
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[LincolnTalk] Pick Your Own Pumpkins Open Today at Matlock Farm

[Corey Flint]

Since we had to close Saturday due to the weather forecast we’ll be open
for pick your own pumpkins today from 12-4 in the Flint Fields on Lexington
Road. Unfortunately the fields are too wet for hayrides, but there are lots
of pumpkins, edible squash, and decorative gourds in a relaxing, beautiful
Fall setting.

Hope to see you there!

- The Flints
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Community Center and Last night at Twisted Tree DeCordova

[RAandBOB]

So, just a reality check. Your point is that none of the people you would meet 
at COAHS would be an interesting person worth talking to.

Ruth Ann
(She, her, hers)

> On Oct 7, 2023, at 11:43 AM, Sara Mattes  wrote:
> 
> What is the likelihood you would meet any of these folks at a Hartwell CC, 
> between the hours of 9:30 AM and 3:30 PM?
> 
> We meet at events like you have just described - at DeCordova, at Pierce 
> House ( First Day, 4 th of July), at Codman Farm, at the Library, and 
> sometimes at events at the schools ( Town Meeting, eg), and Winter Carnival.
> …just a few examples.
> 
> 
> …just a reality check.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>>> On Oct 7, 2023, at 6:05 AM, Anne Sobol  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> The Twisted Tree at DeCordova was open last night from 5-9. I arrived at 6 
>> and was disappointed not to see anyone in my age group (over 75), but I 
>> bought an interesting non-alcoholic drink and went out on the terrace to 
>> mingle with the young adults and their beautiful, active children. A woman 
>> with a lovely little daughter said she'd met me at the dump (how Lincoln!), 
>> and we commenced to talk about how we had both grown up in Lincoln (I in the 
>> '50's, she I think she said in the '90's). We both had lived in California 
>> when Covid hit in 2020, and ended up moving back to Lincoln. She told me 
>> about her work and we discussed how we found Lincoln after living in 
>> California. She asked me for my contact info and we agreed to get together 
>> for coffee in the future.
>> 
>> I went into the shop to get a plastic cup for the remains of my drink, and 
>> struck up conversation with a man and his wife, both more or less my age, 
>> who were waiting in line (the only other people my age I saw while I was 
>> there, they in the company of their family and small children). He was into 
>> the Hanscom expansion opposition, and we had an animated conversation until 
>> I felt I had to leave to get ready for a trip in the morning. We exchanged 
>> info about where we lived and they invited me to stop by.
>> 
>> When people ask me what I want in a Community Center, I say a place to meet 
>> people without a specific date. This is what I got at the Twisted Tree 
>> DeCordova last night. I haven't related to the often-mentioned notion of 
>> intergenerational mixing in the context of a Community Center, but I enjoyed 
>> last night mixing with younger people and their children.
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Community Center and Last night at Twisted Tree DeCordova

[Sara Mattes]

Hardly…my point was that the folks specifically mentioned, the you parents, 
that were so interesting, were met at a community event.

I am trying to point out that it is the community EVENTS where we are most 
likely to have those enriching intergenerational interactions…Codman Farm Feast 
being the most recent.

While the CC may offer many things, the opportunities for the activity cited 
most likely will NOT be one of them.

We do need more casual, social and intergenerational events.

Let’s work with DeCordova, Codman, Pierce House and the Celebrations Committee 
to host more!

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> On Oct 9, 2023, at 12:04 PM, RAandBOB  wrote:
> 
> So, just a reality check. Your point is that none of the people you would 
> meet at COAHS would be an interesting person worth talking to.
> 
> Ruth Ann
> (She, her, hers)
> 
>>> On Oct 7, 2023, at 11:43 AM, Sara Mattes  wrote:
>>> 
>> What is the likelihood you would meet any of these folks at a Hartwell CC, 
>> between the hours of 9:30 AM and 3:30 PM?
>> 
>> We meet at events like you have just described - at DeCordova, at Pierce 
>> House ( First Day, 4 th of July), at Codman Farm, at the Library, and 
>> sometimes at events at the schools ( Town Meeting, eg), and Winter Carnival.
>> …just a few examples.
>> 
>> 
>> …just a reality check.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
 On Oct 7, 2023, at 6:05 AM, Anne Sobol  wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> The Twisted Tree at DeCordova was open last night from 5-9. I arrived at 6 
>>> and was disappointed not to see anyone in my age group (over 75), but I 
>>> bought an interesting non-alcoholic drink and went out on the terrace to 
>>> mingle with the young adults and their beautiful, active children. A woman 
>>> with a lovely little daughter said she'd met me at the dump (how Lincoln!), 
>>> and we commenced to talk about how we had both grown up in Lincoln (I in 
>>> the '50's, she I think she said in the '90's). We both had lived in 
>>> California when Covid hit in 2020, and ended up moving back to Lincoln. She 
>>> told me about her work and we discussed how we found Lincoln after living 
>>> in California. She asked me for my contact info and we agreed to get 
>>> together for coffee in the future.
>>> 
>>> I went into the shop to get a plastic cup for the remains of my drink, and 
>>> struck up conversation with a man and his wife, both more or less my age, 
>>> who were waiting in line (the only other people my age I saw while I was 
>>> there, they in the company of their family and small children). He was into 
>>> the Hanscom expansion opposition, and we had an animated conversation until 
>>> I felt I had to leave to get ready for a trip in the morning. We exchanged 
>>> info about where we lived and they invited me to stop by.
>>> 
>>> When people ask me what I want in a Community Center, I say a place to meet 
>>> people without a specific date. This is what I got at the Twisted Tree 
>>> DeCordova last night. I haven't related to the often-mentioned notion of 
>>> intergenerational mixing in the context of a Community Center, but I 
>>> enjoyed last night mixing with younger people and their children.
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[LincolnTalk] 10/10/2023 Housing Choice Multi-Board Zoom info

[Deborah Howe via Lincoln]

For those who haven’t gone onto the Town website to pull up the Planning Board 
calendar, here is the agenda and Zoom link for Tuesday night’s Multi-Board 
meeting about the Housing Choice options. 

As the agenda points out, this meeting is scheduled for the various Town boards 
involved to select a “final configuration” of the Town’s proposed 3A Housing 
Choice District. 

If you are interested in the disposition of density in Lincoln, and think that 
perhaps more citizen discussion and input might lead to a solution that 
accomplishes the Commonwealth’s goals while reflecting better this Town’s 
character, this is the Zoom call to join.

You can get the same info from the Planning Board website, but for quick 
reference (the Town site loaded verry slowly for me), here it is:

7 pm, Tuesday, 10/10/23, at the link highlighted below.

See you on Zoom ~

Deb Howe


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[LincolnTalk] Pop up share Thursday Oct 12 og veggies lindentrer

[Lindentreefarm Csa]

Hi all
Pop up share
Ten spaces
Thursday 3 to 6 pm

Eggplant(purple, white, some green—-you must specify)
Cabbage
Leeks
Potatoes(not og, Applefield Farm)
Yellow onion
Arugula (?
Radish(small red ones)

Around $20 to $25

RSVP ASAP 
Thank you
Lindentree Farm
Lincoln


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[LincolnTalk] Gentle reminder to dog owners on trails

[Jessica Cooper]

Friends,

About three weeks ago two giant poodles ran up to me on the trail behind/
around Codman Farm. They were big dogs, and ran several hundred yards from
the owner to get to me, where they both stopped inches from me and checked
me out. It was unnerving. The owner was shouting, but the dogs did not
follow the owner's voice commands.

I am a dog owner myself, and this weekend a similar thing happened in
another part of lincoln on conservation land, where an unleashed dog ran
several yards from the owner to approach me.

I looked up the town rules, and thought I might share them here. This is
cut and pasted directly from the site. Thanks to all the responsible dog
owners out there - there are many of you. And there are a few who maybe
haven't had a good look at the rules and need a little nudge!


   - *Dog Walking **Rules *
  - *Dogs must be leashed or under effective voice control at all times*.
  “Voice Control” is defined as the dog being always within the
owner’s sight
  and hearing & trained to come immediately when called.
  - *Dogs must be leashed (or held by the collar) when approaching
  other trail users* unless the other user expressly gives permission
  to leave the dog off leash. Some people are not comfortable around dogs.
  - *A maximum of 3 leashed dogs are allowed per person*. Visitors with
  2 or fewer dogs may unleash their dogs, except where leashes are
expressly
  required.
  - Dog owners must always carry a leash for each dog (8-foot maximum).
  - Dogs are not permitted to chase, hunt, or harass people, wildlife,
  other dogs, horses, or livestock.
  - All dog waste must be picked up and removed from the property.
  - *Dogs must be leashed*:
 - In parking areas and within 100 feet of trailheads.
 - At Flints Pond Conservation Area in order to protect Lincoln’s
 water supply.
 - In agricultural fields which are used for food production, and
 in pastures while livestock are on those fields.
 - Along certain trails at Mt. Misery, and in ecologically
 sensitive areas and hayfields, as posted.
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Gentle reminder to dog owners on trails

[Sara R via Lincoln]

Thanks for the reminder Jessica .

Perhaps all of us who use dog walkers can also kindly forward these rules to 
them too as a reminder too.  I know we try to respect these rules but let’s all 
make sure they do too- there is one dog walker who comes into Lincoln who 
doesn’t and we and others have had to remind this person repeatedly about this 
when she has 3-5 unleashed dogs with her.  And we have dogs and love doggies 
it’s not about dog love!  

Thanks!

Sara Brown 



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> On Oct 9, 2023, at 1:18 PM, Jessica Cooper  wrote:
> 
> 
> Friends,
> 
> About three weeks ago two giant poodles ran up to me on the trail behind/ 
> around Codman Farm. They were big dogs, and ran several hundred yards from 
> the owner to get to me, where they both stopped inches from me and checked me 
> out. It was unnerving. The owner was shouting, but the dogs did not follow 
> the owner's voice commands.
> 
> I am a dog owner myself, and this weekend a similar thing happened in another 
> part of lincoln on conservation land, where an unleashed dog ran several 
> yards from the owner to approach me. 
> 
> I looked up the town rules, and thought I might share them here. This is cut 
> and pasted directly from the site. Thanks to all the responsible dog owners 
> out there - there are many of you. And there are a few who maybe haven't had 
> a good look at the rules and need a little nudge! 
> 
> Dog Walking Rules 
> Dogs must be leashed or under effective voice control at all times. “Voice 
> Control” is defined as the dog being always within the owner’s sight and 
> hearing & trained to come immediately when called.
> Dogs must be leashed (or held by the collar) when approaching other trail 
> users unless the other user expressly gives permission to leave the dog off 
> leash. Some people are not comfortable around dogs.
> A maximum of 3 leashed dogs are allowed per person. Visitors with 2 or fewer 
> dogs may unleash their dogs, except where leashes are expressly required.
> Dog owners must always carry a leash for each dog (8-foot maximum).
> Dogs are not permitted to chase, hunt, or harass people, wildlife, other 
> dogs, horses, or livestock.
> All dog waste must be picked up and removed from the property.
> Dogs must be leashed:
> In parking areas and within 100 feet of trailheads.
> At Flints Pond Conservation Area in order to protect Lincoln’s water supply.
> In agricultural fields which are used for food production, and in pastures 
> while livestock are on those fields.
> Along certain trails at Mt. Misery, and in ecologically sensitive areas and 
> hayfields, as posted.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] 15 Units per Acre - Part 2: Cold Brook Crossing - Sudbury/Concord on 117

[Margaret Olson]

>From the project narrative (
https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/cdn.sudbury.ma.us/wp-content/uploads/sites/326/2020/05/Cold-Brook-Crossing-Site-Plan-Narrative-March-11-2020.pdf?version=dd2e49a8d33cbe913460c6b7d51236c4
):

Of the 26 acres:
9.9 acres are in conservation
3.1 acres are part of the Sudbury Water District and will remain so

That leaves 13 acres. 274 units/13 acres = 21 units per acre.
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Re: [LincolnTalk] 15 Units per Acre - Part 2: Cold Brook Crossing - Sudbury/Concord on 117

[Sara Mattes]

Thank you, Margaret.
So, that development is 5units more per acre than what we might have on Lewis 
St. and Codman Rd?
And could those additional units be reflected in the height?
What would the 15 units/acres look like on Codman Rd. and Lewis St, given our 
height restrictions?
An illustration/mapping of build out would help…ion additional to pics of 
Lincoln Woods, etc.
A picture’s worth  a thousand words, and right now, those pictures are pretty 
scary!
Sara
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> On Oct 9, 2023, at 2:58 PM, Margaret Olson  wrote:
> 
> From the project narrative 
> (https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/cdn.sudbury.ma.us/wp-content/uploads/sites/326/2020/05/Cold-Brook-Crossing-Site-Plan-Narrative-March-11-2020.pdf?version=dd2e49a8d33cbe913460c6b7d51236c4):
> 
> Of the 26 acres:
> 9.9 acres are in conservation
> 3.1 acres are part of the Sudbury Water District and will remain so
> 
> That leaves 13 acres. 274 units/13 acres = 21 units per acre.
> 
> 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Community Center and Last night at Twisted Tree DeCordova

[Anne Sobol]

Ruth Ann, that was certainly not my point!

First off, I was writing to describe a pleasant social occasion in hopes of 
encouraging Twisted Tree and DeCordova to repeat such an opportunity. I also 
hoped that people my age who read the post would think it sounded like fun & 
might come to another such evening event.

In addition I was trying to say that when I have heard people talk about 
opportunities for intergenerational contact as something to be gained from 
co-locating COA and programs for kids in what is being proposed at Hartwell, I 
haven’t been able to imagine what they were talking about.

Huhm, I’d be down there in the community space at new Comm Center Hartwell 
hoping to bump into someone to talk to and young people would be picking up 
their kids after work/school, heading home for dinner & family time, and they’d
stop & talk with this older woman lurking in the hall? I doubt it.

The was something relaxed & convivial about what happened at Twisted Tree 
DeCordova. Was it that alcohol was an option? I didn’t have an alcoholic drink, 
but others did. The event took place after work, early evening, kids invited, a 
facility that engages the kids, parents keeping an eye on them, but not 
required to be overly involved, drinks, deliberately going out somewhere for 
purpose of making contact.

I went hoping to hang out with some people more or less my own age who had 
chosen to go out in the early evening to connect. Didn’t really find them there 
but maybe by describing my positive experience others would be encouraged to 
come another time. And I was happily surprised to find myself enjoying an 
intergenerational occasion.

I go to lots of Lincoln events including at COA. I’m a widow & new in town, I’m 
hoping to make friends. Pricked by your response, I’ll try to go to more! I 
hope this is clarifying!

> On Oct 9, 2023, at 12:04 PM, RAandBOB  wrote:
> 
> So, just a reality check. Your point is that none of the people you would 
> meet at COAHS would be an interesting person worth talking to.
> 
> Ruth Ann
> (She, her, hers)
> 
>>> On Oct 7, 2023, at 11:43 AM, Sara Mattes  wrote:
>>> 
>> What is the likelihood you would meet any of these folks at a Hartwell CC, 
>> between the hours of 9:30 AM and 3:30 PM?
>> 
>> We meet at events like you have just described - at DeCordova, at Pierce 
>> House ( First Day, 4 th of July), at Codman Farm, at the Library, and 
>> sometimes at events at the schools ( Town Meeting, eg), and Winter Carnival.
>> …just a few examples.
>> 
>> 
>> …just a reality check.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
 On Oct 7, 2023, at 6:05 AM, Anne Sobol  wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> The Twisted Tree at DeCordova was open last night from 5-9. I arrived at 6 
>>> and was disappointed not to see anyone in my age group (over 75), but I 
>>> bought an interesting non-alcoholic drink and went out on the terrace to 
>>> mingle with the young adults and their beautiful, active children. A woman 
>>> with a lovely little daughter said she'd met me at the dump (how Lincoln!), 
>>> and we commenced to talk about how we had both grown up in Lincoln (I in 
>>> the '50's, she I think she said in the '90's). We both had lived in 
>>> California when Covid hit in 2020, and ended up moving back to Lincoln. She 
>>> told me about her work and we discussed how we found Lincoln after living 
>>> in California. She asked me for my contact info and we agreed to get 
>>> together for coffee in the future.
>>> 
>>> I went into the shop to get a plastic cup for the remains of my drink, and 
>>> struck up conversation with a man and his wife, both more or less my age, 
>>> who were waiting in line (the only other people my age I saw while I was 
>>> there, they in the company of their family and small children). He was into 
>>> the Hanscom expansion opposition, and we had an animated conversation until 
>>> I felt I had to leave to get ready for a trip in the morning. We exchanged 
>>> info about where we lived and they invited me to stop by.
>>> 
>>> When people ask me what I want in a Community Center, I say a place to meet 
>>> people without a specific date. This is what I got at the Twisted Tree 
>>> DeCordova last night. I haven't related to the often-mentioned notion of 
>>> intergenerational mixing in the context of a Community Center, but I 
>>> enjoyed last night mixing with younger people and their children.
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Re: [LincolnTalk] 15 Units per Acre - Part 2: Cold Brook Crossing - Sudbury/Concord on 117

[Margaret Olson]

I once again refer you to the photos in the Housing Choice Working Groups
presentation: HCWG Slide Deck

This illustrates the developments we currently have in town with a variety
of densities on a variety of topologies.

The problem with looking at any photo or plan labeled "x units per acre" is
that you have to dig into the records, regulations, and zoning maps to
understand how that calculation was made and what exactly it means. The
advantage of looking at the six examples the HCWG supplied is that it's six
very different developments on very different lots but the calculations
were all done the same way. So you can compare apples to apples.

Margaret

On Mon, Oct 9, 2023 at 3:04 PM Sara Mattes  wrote:

> Thank you, Margaret.
> So, that development is 5units more per acre than what we might have on
> Lewis St. and Codman Rd?
> And could those additional units be reflected in the height?
> What would the 15 units/acres look like on Codman Rd. and Lewis St, given
> our height restrictions?
> An illustration/mapping of build out would help…ion additional to pics of
> Lincoln Woods, etc.
> A picture’s worth  a thousand words, and right now, those pictures are
> pretty scary!
> Sara
> --
> Sara Mattes
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 9, 2023, at 2:58 PM, Margaret Olson  wrote:
>
> From the project narrative (
> https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/cdn.sudbury.ma.us/wp-content/uploads/sites/326/2020/05/Cold-Brook-Crossing-Site-Plan-Narrative-March-11-2020.pdf?version=dd2e49a8d33cbe913460c6b7d51236c4
> ):
>
> Of the 26 acres:
> 9.9 acres are in conservation
> 3.1 acres are part of the Sudbury Water District and will remain so
>
> That leaves 13 acres. 274 units/13 acres = 21 units per acre.
>
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] 15 Units per Acre - Part 2: Cold Brook Crossing - Sudbury/Concord on 117

[Robert Ahlert]

Hi Sara - I’m working on a 2-D scaled model (starting with the Codman road
section) to answer your question. This should help to visualize what the
footprint will be on the buildable acres there.

Why didn’t we ask Utile to do this? Ran out of time? Money?

Seems like we need more time for better options. Agreed that the mall could
use redevelopment, but not the rest.

800 units could add 1500 cars and 2000 people in what used to be a very
nice small town.

Rob A
185 Lincoln Rd.



On Mon, Oct 9, 2023 at 3:04 PM Sara Mattes  wrote:

> Thank you, Margaret.
> So, that development is 5units more per acre than what we might have on
> Lewis St. and Codman Rd?
> And could those additional units be reflected in the height?
> What would the 15 units/acres look like on Codman Rd. and Lewis St, given
> our height restrictions?
> An illustration/mapping of build out would help…ion additional to pics of
> Lincoln Woods, etc.
> A picture’s worth  a thousand words, and right now, those pictures are
> pretty scary!
> Sara
> --
> Sara Mattes
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 9, 2023, at 2:58 PM, Margaret Olson  wrote:
>
> From the project narrative (
> https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/cdn.sudbury.ma.us/wp-content/uploads/sites/326/2020/05/Cold-Brook-Crossing-Site-Plan-Narrative-March-11-2020.pdf?version=dd2e49a8d33cbe913460c6b7d51236c4
> ):
>
> Of the 26 acres:
> 9.9 acres are in conservation
> 3.1 acres are part of the Sudbury Water District and will remain so
>
> That leaves 13 acres. 274 units/13 acres = 21 units per acre.
>
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] 15 Units per Acre - Part 2: Cold Brook Crossing - Sudbury/Concord on 117

[Sara Mattes]

Thank you!
It is just such site-specific visualization that I need.
I expect it will help others too.
Maybe it will assuage my anxiety.
Certainly it will help better understand what we are taking about.




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> On Oct 9, 2023, at 3:31 PM, Robert Ahlert  wrote:
> 
> Hi Sara - I’m working on a 2-D scaled model (starting with the Codman road 
> section) to answer your question. This should help to visualize what the 
> footprint will be on the buildable acres there. 
> 
> Why didn’t we ask Utile to do this? Ran out of time? Money?
> 
> Seems like we need more time for better options. Agreed that the mall could 
> use redevelopment, but not the rest.
> 
> 800 units could add 1500 cars and 2000 people in what used to be a very nice 
> small town.
> 
> Rob A
> 185 Lincoln Rd.
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Oct 9, 2023 at 3:04 PM Sara Mattes  > wrote:
>> Thank you, Margaret.
>> So, that development is 5units more per acre than what we might have on 
>> Lewis St. and Codman Rd?
>> And could those additional units be reflected in the height?
>> What would the 15 units/acres look like on Codman Rd. and Lewis St, given 
>> our height restrictions?
>> An illustration/mapping of build out would help…ion additional to pics of 
>> Lincoln Woods, etc.
>> A picture’s worth  a thousand words, and right now, those pictures are 
>> pretty scary!
>> Sara
>> --
>> Sara Mattes
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 9, 2023, at 2:58 PM, Margaret Olson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> From the project narrative 
>>> (https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/cdn.sudbury.ma.us/wp-content/uploads/sites/326/2020/05/Cold-Brook-Crossing-Site-Plan-Narrative-March-11-2020.pdf?version=dd2e49a8d33cbe913460c6b7d51236c4):
>>> 
>>> Of the 26 acres:
>>> 9.9 acres are in conservation
>>> 3.1 acres are part of the Sudbury Water District and will remain so
>>> 
>>> That leaves 13 acres. 274 units/13 acres = 21 units per acre.
>>> 
>> 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] 15 Units per Acre - Part 2: Cold Brook Crossing - Sudbury/Concord on 117

[Robert Ahlert]

Those photos are misleading.  When you show one individual building or part
of the building, it doesn't give the full picture of the density on the
site.  The site plans do a much better job.  Obviously we don't have those
yet so I'm trying to help folks understand what 15 units / acre built on
only buildable land will look like (at 3 stories it will be dense and there
will be a lot of them).  It will look much more like Oriole Landing and
Cold Brook than it will to the current Lincoln Woods.

I understand that this is a full Master planning exercise but shouldn't we
pay for something similar to that (a Master plan) before we hand-over all
decision making authority to the Planning board and Developers?

Rob

On Mon, Oct 9, 2023 at 3:30 PM Margaret Olson  wrote:

> I once again refer you to the photos in the Housing Choice Working Groups
> presentation: HCWG Slide Deck
> 
> This illustrates the developments we currently have in town with a variety
> of densities on a variety of topologies.
>
> The problem with looking at any photo or plan labeled "x units per acre"
> is that you have to dig into the records, regulations, and zoning maps to
> understand how that calculation was made and what exactly it means. The
> advantage of looking at the six examples the HCWG supplied is that it's six
> very different developments on very different lots but the calculations
> were all done the same way. So you can compare apples to apples.
>
> Margaret
>
> On Mon, Oct 9, 2023 at 3:04 PM Sara Mattes  wrote:
>
>> Thank you, Margaret.
>> So, that development is 5units more per acre than what we might have on
>> Lewis St. and Codman Rd?
>> And could those additional units be reflected in the height?
>> What would the 15 units/acres look like on Codman Rd. and Lewis St, given
>> our height restrictions?
>> An illustration/mapping of build out would help…ion additional to pics of
>> Lincoln Woods, etc.
>> A picture’s worth  a thousand words, and right now, those pictures are
>> pretty scary!
>> Sara
>> --
>> Sara Mattes
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 9, 2023, at 2:58 PM, Margaret Olson  wrote:
>>
>> From the project narrative (
>> https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/cdn.sudbury.ma.us/wp-content/uploads/sites/326/2020/05/Cold-Brook-Crossing-Site-Plan-Narrative-March-11-2020.pdf?version=dd2e49a8d33cbe913460c6b7d51236c4
>> ):
>>
>> Of the 26 acres:
>> 9.9 acres are in conservation
>> 3.1 acres are part of the Sudbury Water District and will remain so
>>
>> That leaves 13 acres. 274 units/13 acres = 21 units per acre.
>>
>>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] 15 Units per Acre - Part 2: Cold Brook Crossing - Sudbury/Concord on 117

[Margaret Olson]

You can go look at the sites!

On Mon, Oct 9, 2023 at 3:46 PM Robert Ahlert  wrote:

> Those photos are misleading.  When you show one individual building or
> part of the building, it doesn't give the full picture of the density on
> the site.  The site plans do a much better job.  Obviously we don't have
> those yet so I'm trying to help folks understand what 15 units / acre built
> on only buildable land will look like (at 3 stories it will be dense and
> there will be a lot of them).  It will look much more like Oriole Landing
> and Cold Brook than it will to the current Lincoln Woods.
>
> I understand that this is a full Master planning exercise but shouldn't we
> pay for something similar to that (a Master plan) before we hand-over all
> decision making authority to the Planning board and Developers?
>
> Rob
>
> On Mon, Oct 9, 2023 at 3:30 PM Margaret Olson 
> wrote:
>
>> I once again refer you to the photos in the Housing Choice Working Groups
>> presentation: HCWG Slide Deck
>> 
>> This illustrates the developments we currently have in town with a variety
>> of densities on a variety of topologies.
>>
>> The problem with looking at any photo or plan labeled "x units per acre"
>> is that you have to dig into the records, regulations, and zoning maps to
>> understand how that calculation was made and what exactly it means. The
>> advantage of looking at the six examples the HCWG supplied is that it's six
>> very different developments on very different lots but the calculations
>> were all done the same way. So you can compare apples to apples.
>>
>> Margaret
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 9, 2023 at 3:04 PM Sara Mattes  wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you, Margaret.
>>> So, that development is 5units more per acre than what we might have on
>>> Lewis St. and Codman Rd?
>>> And could those additional units be reflected in the height?
>>> What would the 15 units/acres look like on Codman Rd. and Lewis St,
>>> given our height restrictions?
>>> An illustration/mapping of build out would help…ion additional to pics
>>> of Lincoln Woods, etc.
>>> A picture’s worth  a thousand words, and right now, those pictures are
>>> pretty scary!
>>> Sara
>>> --
>>> Sara Mattes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 9, 2023, at 2:58 PM, Margaret Olson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> From the project narrative (
>>> https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/cdn.sudbury.ma.us/wp-content/uploads/sites/326/2020/05/Cold-Brook-Crossing-Site-Plan-Narrative-March-11-2020.pdf?version=dd2e49a8d33cbe913460c6b7d51236c4
>>> ):
>>>
>>> Of the 26 acres:
>>> 9.9 acres are in conservation
>>> 3.1 acres are part of the Sudbury Water District and will remain so
>>>
>>> That leaves 13 acres. 274 units/13 acres = 21 units per acre.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Community Center and Last night at Twisted Tree DeCordova

[Linda McMillan]

This is why a “community gathering” space is so important in a new Community 
Center. I was happy to see that in all the options, there is now a space that 
is labeled “community gathering” because not everyone wants to sign up for an 
exercise program, learn a new language, or join a specific program. Many people 
just want to see another human being, especially if they live alone. A space 
with cozy and comfortable chairs that facilitates this is sorely needed in 
Lincoln.

> On Oct 7, 2023, at 11:43 AM, Sara Mattes  wrote:
> 
> What is the likelihood you would meet any of these folks at a Hartwell CC, 
> between the hours of 9:30 AM and 3:30 PM?
> 
> We meet at events like you have just described - at DeCordova, at Pierce 
> House ( First Day, 4 th of July), at Codman Farm, at the Library, and 
> sometimes at events at the schools ( Town Meeting, eg), and Winter Carnival.
> …just a few examples.
> 
> 
> …just a reality check.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Oct 7, 2023, at 6:05 AM, Anne Sobol  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> The Twisted Tree at DeCordova was open last night from 5-9. I arrived at 6 
>> and was disappointed not to see anyone in my age group (over 75), but I 
>> bought an interesting non-alcoholic drink and went out on the terrace to 
>> mingle with the young adults and their beautiful, active children. A woman 
>> with a lovely little daughter said she'd met me at the dump (how Lincoln!), 
>> and we commenced to talk about how we had both grown up in Lincoln (I in the 
>> '50's, she I think she said in the '90's). We both had lived in California 
>> when Covid hit in 2020, and ended up moving back to Lincoln. She told me 
>> about her work and we discussed how we found Lincoln after living in 
>> California. She asked me for my contact info and we agreed to get together 
>> for coffee in the future.
>> 
>> I went into the shop to get a plastic cup for the remains of my drink, and 
>> struck up conversation with a man and his wife, both more or less my age, 
>> who were waiting in line (the only other people my age I saw while I was 
>> there, they in the company of their family and small children). He was into 
>> the Hanscom expansion opposition, and we had an animated conversation until 
>> I felt I had to leave to get ready for a trip in the morning. We exchanged 
>> info about where we lived and they invited me to stop by.
>> 
>> When people ask me what I want in a Community Center, I say a place to meet 
>> people without a specific date. This is what I got at the Twisted Tree 
>> DeCordova last night. I haven't related to the often-mentioned notion of 
>> intergenerational mixing in the context of a Community Center, but I enjoyed 
>> last night mixing with younger people and their children.
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Re: [LincolnTalk] 15 Units per Acre - Part 2: Cold Brook Crossing - Sudbury/Concord on 117

[Karla Gravis]

Waterlands and septics can be taken out for "gross density"

calculations per 3A guidelines, BUT publicly owned land CANNOT.



The 9.9 acres in the Sudbury parcel that are owned by the town cannot be
excluded from the denominator in the density calculation. The calculation
shared by Margaret of 21 units per acre is not accurate, since it removes
publicly owned land. According to the guidelines, the Sudbury project has a
density of 274 units in 26-3.1=22.9 acres or 12 units per acre, below the
15 units per acre needed for HCA compliance. *Any zoning approved in
Lincoln that pertains to follow the guidelines would have to be DENSER than
what is being built in Sudbury. *Rob is right - I encourage folks to take a
look at the Subdury project here

.



I would also point out that the RLF proposed a plan to build at a density
of 25 units per acre (slide 48
).
That is almost twice as dense as the project in Sudbury.



The model Rob is building will help people understand the enormity of the
changes being floated.



The working group has not explained why it is solely concerned with
following the guidelines, which keep changing and could continue to change
even after we vote for any hypothetical rezoning. Guidelines are not law
nor regulation. We should be more concerned with what the law states than
with attempting to follow guidelines that are merely interpretations of the
law by government agencies and are constantly changing.


———-



Section 3A guidelines – 6. Minimum Gross Density



a. District-wide gross density



To meet the district-wide gross density requirement, the dimensional
restrictions and parking requirements for the multi-family zoning district
must allow for a gross density of 15 units per acre of land within the
district.  By way of example, to meet that requirement for a 40-acre
multi-family zoning district, the zoning must allow for at least 15
multi-family units per acre, or a total of at least 600 multi-family units.



For purposes of determining compliance with Section 3A’s gross density
requirement, the EOHLC compliance model will not count in the denominator
any excluded land located within the multi-family zoning district, except
public rights-of-way, private rights-of-way, and publicly-owned land used
for recreational, civic, commercial, and other nonresidential uses.  This
method of calculating minimum gross density respects the Zoning Act’s
definition of gross density—“a units-per-acre density measurement that
includes land occupied by public rights-of-way and any recreational, civic,
commercial and other nonresidential uses”—while making it unnecessary to
draw patchwork multi-family zoning districts that carve out wetlands and
other types of excluded land that are not developed or developable.



c. Wetland and septic considerations relating to density

Section 3A provides that a district of reasonable size shall have a minimum
gross density of 15 units per acre, “subject to any further limitations
imposed by section 40 of chapter 131 and title 5 of the state environmental
code established pursuant to section 13 of chapter 21A.”  This directive
means that even though the zoning district must permit 15 units per acre as
of right, any multi-family housing produced within the district is subject
to, and must comply with, the state wetlands protection act and title 5 of
the state environmental code—even if such compliance means a proposed
project will be less dense than 15 units per acre.



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> From: Margaret Olson 
> Date: Mon, Oct 9, 2023 at 2:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] 15 Units per Acre - Part 2: Cold Brook Crossing
> - Sudbury/Concord on 117
> To: Robert Ahlert 
> Cc: Lincoln Talk 
>
>
> From the project narrative (
> https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/cdn.sudbury.ma.us/wp-content/uploads/sites/326/2020/05/Cold-Brook-Crossing-Site-Plan-Narrative-March-11-2020.pdf?version=dd2e49a8d33cbe913460c6b7d51236c4
> ):
>
> Of the 26 acres:
> 9.9 acres are in conservation
> 3.1 acres are part of the Sudbury Water District and will remain so
>
> That leaves 13 acres. 274 units/13 acres = 21 units per acre.
>
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Community Center and Last night at Twisted Tree DeCordova

[Bob Kupperstein]

Doesn't the town library serve that function?  It certainly has the comfy
and cozy chairs and human beings.

-Bob

On Mon, Oct 9, 2023 at 4:32 PM Linda McMillan 
wrote:

> This is why a “community gathering” space is so important in a new
> Community Center. I was happy to see that in all the options, there is now
> a space that is labeled “community gathering” because not everyone wants to
> sign up for an exercise program, learn a new language, or join a specific
> program. Many people just want to see another human being, especially if
> they live alone. A space with cozy and comfortable chairs that facilitates
> this is sorely needed in Lincoln.
>
> On Oct 7, 2023, at 11:43 AM, Sara Mattes  wrote:
>
> What is the likelihood you would meet any of these folks at a Hartwell CC,
> between the hours of 9:30 AM and 3:30 PM?
>
> We meet at events like you have just described - at DeCordova, at Pierce
> House ( First Day, 4 th of July), at Codman Farm, at the Library, and
> sometimes at events at the schools ( Town Meeting, eg), and Winter Carnival.
> …just a few examples.
>
>
> …just a reality check.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Oct 7, 2023, at 6:05 AM, Anne Sobol  wrote:
>
> 
> The Twisted Tree at DeCordova was open last night from 5-9. I arrived at 6
> and was disappointed not to see anyone in my age group (over 75), but I
> bought an interesting non-alcoholic drink and went out on the terrace to
> mingle with the young adults and their beautiful, active children. A woman
> with a lovely little daughter said she'd met me at the dump (how Lincoln!),
> and we commenced to talk about how we had both grown up in Lincoln (I in
> the '50's, she I think she said in the '90's). We both had lived in
> California when Covid hit in 2020, and ended up moving back to Lincoln. She
> told me about her work and we discussed how we found Lincoln after living
> in California. She asked me for my contact info and we agreed to get
> together for coffee in the future.
>
> I went into the shop to get a plastic cup for the remains of my drink, and
> struck up conversation with a man and his wife, both more or less my age,
> who were waiting in line (the only other people my age I saw while I was
> there, they in the company of their family and small children). He was into
> the Hanscom expansion opposition, and we had an animated conversation until
> I felt I had to leave to get ready for a trip in the morning. We exchanged
> info about where we lived and they invited me to stop by.
>
> When people ask me what I want in a Community Center, I say a place to
> meet people without a specific date. This is what I got at the Twisted Tree
> DeCordova last night. I haven't related to the often-mentioned notion of
> intergenerational mixing in the context of a Community Center, but I
> enjoyed last night mixing with younger people and their children.
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[LincolnTalk] Lincoln Squirrel poll on community center

[Alice Waugh]

The poll that was on the Lincoln Squirrel website seems to have
crippled other functions on the site (including the calendar), so that's
why the poll is no longer accessible. If we're able to recover the poll
results, I'll publish them as soon as I can. Sorry for the inconvenience!

Alice Waugh

Editor, The Lincoln Squirrel  and The
Lincoln Chipmunk 

lincolnsquirreln...@gmail.com

617-710-5542 (mobile)

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Re: [LincolnTalk] Community Center and Last night at Twisted Tree DeCordova

[Linda McMillan]

At the library, you are supposed to be quiet, not talking and chatting with 
folks. It’s for reading.

> On Oct 7, 2023, at 11:43 AM, Sara Mattes  wrote:
> 
> What is the likelihood you would meet any of these folks at a Hartwell CC, 
> between the hours of 9:30 AM and 3:30 PM?
> 
> We meet at events like you have just described - at DeCordova, at Pierce 
> House ( First Day, 4 th of July), at Codman Farm, at the Library, and 
> sometimes at events at the schools ( Town Meeting, eg), and Winter Carnival.
> …just a few examples.
> 
> 
> …just a reality check.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Oct 7, 2023, at 6:05 AM, Anne Sobol  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> The Twisted Tree at DeCordova was open last night from 5-9. I arrived at 6 
>> and was disappointed not to see anyone in my age group (over 75), but I 
>> bought an interesting non-alcoholic drink and went out on the terrace to 
>> mingle with the young adults and their beautiful, active children. A woman 
>> with a lovely little daughter said she'd met me at the dump (how Lincoln!), 
>> and we commenced to talk about how we had both grown up in Lincoln (I in the 
>> '50's, she I think she said in the '90's). We both had lived in California 
>> when Covid hit in 2020, and ended up moving back to Lincoln. She told me 
>> about her work and we discussed how we found Lincoln after living in 
>> California. She asked me for my contact info and we agreed to get together 
>> for coffee in the future.
>> 
>> I went into the shop to get a plastic cup for the remains of my drink, and 
>> struck up conversation with a man and his wife, both more or less my age, 
>> who were waiting in line (the only other people my age I saw while I was 
>> there, they in the company of their family and small children). He was into 
>> the Hanscom expansion opposition, and we had an animated conversation until 
>> I felt I had to leave to get ready for a trip in the morning. We exchanged 
>> info about where we lived and they invited me to stop by.
>> 
>> When people ask me what I want in a Community Center, I say a place to meet 
>> people without a specific date. This is what I got at the Twisted Tree 
>> DeCordova last night. I haven't related to the often-mentioned notion of 
>> intergenerational mixing in the context of a Community Center, but I enjoyed 
>> last night mixing with younger people and their children.
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[LincolnTalk] Shabby chic dresser (Free)

[sophie dixon]

Needs a bit of TLC but lovely to look at with good bones. Free but needs to be 
picked up. 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] 15 Units per Acre - Part 2: Cold Brook Crossing - Sudbury/Concord on 117

[Margaret Olson]

Just to be clear - when describing the density of the Sudbury project I was
trying to answer the question: "what is the density of the buildings". I
was not making any statement about the lot density or any HCA calculations.

I can not speak for the HCWG, but they are concerned I believe with the
regulations because the state agencies are empowered to define what it
means to comply with the law.

On Mon, Oct 9, 2023 at 4:33 PM Karla Gravis  wrote:

> Waterlands and septics can be taken out for "gross density"
> 
> calculations per 3A guidelines, BUT publicly owned land CANNOT.
>
>
>
> The 9.9 acres in the Sudbury parcel that are owned by the town cannot be
> excluded from the denominator in the density calculation. The calculation
> shared by Margaret of 21 units per acre is not accurate, since it removes
> publicly owned land. According to the guidelines, the Sudbury project has a
> density of 274 units in 26-3.1=22.9 acres or 12 units per acre, below the
> 15 units per acre needed for HCA compliance. *Any zoning approved in
> Lincoln that pertains to follow the guidelines would have to be DENSER than
> what is being built in Sudbury. *Rob is right - I encourage folks to take
> a look at the Subdury project here
> 
> .
>
>
>
> I would also point out that the RLF proposed a plan to build at a density
> of 25 units per acre (slide 48
> ).
> That is almost twice as dense as the project in Sudbury.
>
>
>
> The model Rob is building will help people understand the enormity of the
> changes being floated.
>
>
>
> The working group has not explained why it is solely concerned with
> following the guidelines, which keep changing and could continue to change
> even after we vote for any hypothetical rezoning. Guidelines are not law
> nor regulation. We should be more concerned with what the law states than
> with attempting to follow guidelines that are merely interpretations of the
> law by government agencies and are constantly changing.
>
>
> ———-
>
>
>
> Section 3A guidelines – 6. Minimum Gross Density
>
>
>
> a. District-wide gross density
>
>
>
> To meet the district-wide gross density requirement, the dimensional
> restrictions and parking requirements for the multi-family zoning district
> must allow for a gross density of 15 units per acre of land within the
> district.  By way of example, to meet that requirement for a 40-acre
> multi-family zoning district, the zoning must allow for at least 15
> multi-family units per acre, or a total of at least 600 multi-family units.
>
>
>
> For purposes of determining compliance with Section 3A’s gross density
> requirement, the EOHLC compliance model will not count in the denominator
> any excluded land located within the multi-family zoning district, except
> public rights-of-way, private rights-of-way, and publicly-owned land used
> for recreational, civic, commercial, and other nonresidential uses.  This
> method of calculating minimum gross density respects the Zoning Act’s
> definition of gross density—“a units-per-acre density measurement that
> includes land occupied by public rights-of-way and any recreational, civic,
> commercial and other nonresidential uses”—while making it unnecessary to
> draw patchwork multi-family zoning districts that carve out wetlands and
> other types of excluded land that are not developed or developable.
>
>
>
> c. Wetland and septic considerations relating to density
>
> Section 3A provides that a district of reasonable size shall have a
> minimum gross density of 15 units per acre, “subject to any further
> limitations imposed by section 40 of chapter 131 and title 5 of the state
> environmental code established pursuant to section 13 of chapter 21A.”
> This directive means that even though the zoning district must permit 15
> units per acre as of right, any multi-family housing produced within the
> district is subject to, and must comply with, the state wetlands protection
> act and title 5 of the state environmental code—even if such compliance
> means a proposed project will be less dense than 15 units per acre.
>
>
>
>> -- Forwarded message -
>> From: Margaret Olson 
>> Date: Mon, Oct 9, 2023 at 2:59 PM
>> Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] 15 Units per Acre - Part 2: Cold Brook
>> Crossing - Sudbury/Concord on 117
>> To: Robert Ahlert 
>> Cc: Lincoln Talk 
>>
>>
>> From the project narrative (
>> https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/cdn.sudbury.ma.us/wp-content/uploads/sites/326/2020/05/Cold-Brook-Crossing-Site-Plan-Narrative-March-11-2020.pdf?version=dd2e49a8d33cbe913460c6b7d51236c4
>> ):
>>
>> Of the 26 acres:
>> 9.9 acres are in conservation
>> 3.1 acres are part of the Sudbury Wat

[LincolnTalk] Housing

[Donald Seckler]

Thanks, Bob, for your direct and well reasoned contribution to the housing 
debate. The idea that people of modest means need to walk to the T makes as 
much sense as saying that they need housing close to a sports bar so they can 
watch TV. In our country most people who want them own televisions, and view 
them when and where they desire. Most people also own cars, and will continue 
to drive them, whatever social planners may wish. Our representatives-and our 
recent governor-should be held responsible for the draconian piece of social 
engineering that people seem to see as having just “happened” to us. We need 
housing, for sure, but the present plan encodes choices built on class warfare 
and wishful thinking.

Don Seckler

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Re: [LincolnTalk] 15 Units per Acre - Part 2: Cold Brook Crossing - Sudbury/Concord on 117

[Karla Gravis]

This is actually a very important clarification because it directly affects
how we will need to calculate density. The guidelines are very expansive in
what land is included in the denominator for density calculations. It
includes things like roads and public land. The point is that the "15 units
per acre" is never going to be the "density of the buildings" because some
of the land will always need to be set aside.

We, as citizens, are trying to understand what the proposed rezoning would
look like for Lincoln. The Sudbury project has 12 units per acre as per the
guidelines, which is what we should consider for comparability purposes.
The minimum for HCA is 15 units/acre, which is not even the highest value
we're proposing in some districts for Lincoln. Like Sarah P pointed out,
the working group is proposing much denser housing at 18-25 units per acre
in some parts of Lincoln, which translated into the "density of buildings"
could be even higher.

Guidelines are not regulations, and state agencies' interpretations do not
carry the force of law.

Again, what we are asking for is a proper due diligence of the risks and
rewards, which hasn't been completed yet, and a truly democratic process
with proper debate, opening the floor to residents' opinions.

On Mon, Oct 9, 2023 at 6:08 PM Margaret Olson  wrote:

> Just to be clear - when describing the density of the Sudbury project I
> was trying to answer the question: "what is the density of the buildings".
> I was not making any statement about the lot density or any HCA
> calculations.
>
> I can not speak for the HCWG, but they are concerned I believe with the
> regulations because the state agencies are empowered to define what it
> means to comply with the law.
>
> On Mon, Oct 9, 2023 at 4:33 PM Karla Gravis  wrote:
>
>> Waterlands and septics can be taken out for "gross density"
>> 
>> calculations per 3A guidelines, BUT publicly owned land CANNOT.
>>
>>
>>
>> The 9.9 acres in the Sudbury parcel that are owned by the town cannot be
>> excluded from the denominator in the density calculation. The calculation
>> shared by Margaret of 21 units per acre is not accurate, since it removes
>> publicly owned land. According to the guidelines, the Sudbury project has a
>> density of 274 units in 26-3.1=22.9 acres or 12 units per acre, below the
>> 15 units per acre needed for HCA compliance. *Any zoning approved in
>> Lincoln that pertains to follow the guidelines would have to be DENSER than
>> what is being built in Sudbury. *Rob is right - I encourage folks to
>> take a look at the Subdury project here
>> 
>> .
>>
>>
>>
>> I would also point out that the RLF proposed a plan to build at a density
>> of 25 units per acre (slide 48
>> ).
>> That is almost twice as dense as the project in Sudbury.
>>
>>
>>
>> The model Rob is building will help people understand the enormity of the
>> changes being floated.
>>
>>
>>
>> The working group has not explained why it is solely concerned with
>> following the guidelines, which keep changing and could continue to change
>> even after we vote for any hypothetical rezoning. Guidelines are not law
>> nor regulation. We should be more concerned with what the law states than
>> with attempting to follow guidelines that are merely interpretations of the
>> law by government agencies and are constantly changing.
>>
>>
>> ———-
>>
>>
>>
>> Section 3A guidelines – 6. Minimum Gross Density
>>
>>
>>
>> a. District-wide gross density
>>
>>
>>
>> To meet the district-wide gross density requirement, the dimensional
>> restrictions and parking requirements for the multi-family zoning district
>> must allow for a gross density of 15 units per acre of land within the
>> district.  By way of example, to meet that requirement for a 40-acre
>> multi-family zoning district, the zoning must allow for at least 15
>> multi-family units per acre, or a total of at least 600 multi-family units.
>>
>>
>>
>> For purposes of determining compliance with Section 3A’s gross density
>> requirement, the EOHLC compliance model will not count in the denominator
>> any excluded land located within the multi-family zoning district, except
>> public rights-of-way, private rights-of-way, and publicly-owned land used
>> for recreational, civic, commercial, and other nonresidential uses.  This
>> method of calculating minimum gross density respects the Zoning Act’s
>> definition of gross density—“a units-per-acre density measurement that
>> includes land occupied by public rights-of-way and any recreational, civic,
>> commercial and other nonresidential uses”—while making it unnecessary to
>> draw patchwork multi-family zoning districts that ca

[LincolnTalk] moving company rec?

[Rachel Shulman]

Dear Wise Lincolnites,

Might anyone have a recommendation for a moving company? We're moving most
of the small things ourselves - it's just big furniture we need help with,
so the job is not very big.

Thank you in advance!

Best,
Rachel
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Community Center and Last night at Twisted Tree DeCordova

[Carol Ryan]

There are many different spaces at our wonderful library . Some are designated 
as quiet space others are not. It’s a great place to meet with friends or bump 
into neighbors. You can reserve the Tarbell Room for free! Lovely gathering 
spot outside as well.

Carol Ryan

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 9, 2023, at 5:01 PM, Linda McMillan  wrote:
> 
> At the library, you are supposed to be quiet, not talking and chatting with 
> folks. It’s for reading.
> 
>> On Oct 7, 2023, at 11:43 AM, Sara Mattes  wrote:
>> 
>> What is the likelihood you would meet any of these folks at a Hartwell CC, 
>> between the hours of 9:30 AM and 3:30 PM?
>> 
>> We meet at events like you have just described - at DeCordova, at Pierce 
>> House ( First Day, 4 th of July), at Codman Farm, at the Library, and 
>> sometimes at events at the schools ( Town Meeting, eg), and Winter Carnival.
>> …just a few examples.
>> 
>> 
>> …just a reality check.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
 On Oct 7, 2023, at 6:05 AM, Anne Sobol  wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> The Twisted Tree at DeCordova was open last night from 5-9. I arrived at 6 
>>> and was disappointed not to see anyone in my age group (over 75), but I 
>>> bought an interesting non-alcoholic drink and went out on the terrace to 
>>> mingle with the young adults and their beautiful, active children. A woman 
>>> with a lovely little daughter said she'd met me at the dump (how Lincoln!), 
>>> and we commenced to talk about how we had both grown up in Lincoln (I in 
>>> the '50's, she I think she said in the '90's). We both had lived in 
>>> California when Covid hit in 2020, and ended up moving back to Lincoln. She 
>>> told me about her work and we discussed how we found Lincoln after living 
>>> in California. She asked me for my contact info and we agreed to get 
>>> together for coffee in the future.
>>> 
>>> I went into the shop to get a plastic cup for the remains of my drink, and 
>>> struck up conversation with a man and his wife, both more or less my age, 
>>> who were waiting in line (the only other people my age I saw while I was 
>>> there, they in the company of their family and small children). He was into 
>>> the Hanscom expansion opposition, and we had an animated conversation until 
>>> I felt I had to leave to get ready for a trip in the morning. We exchanged 
>>> info about where we lived and they invited me to stop by.
>>> 
>>> When people ask me what I want in a Community Center, I say a place to meet 
>>> people without a specific date. This is what I got at the Twisted Tree 
>>> DeCordova last night. I haven't related to the often-mentioned notion of 
>>> intergenerational mixing in the context of a Community Center, but I 
>>> enjoyed last night mixing with younger people and their children.
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[LincolnTalk] free on porch - microwave oven

[Rachel Shulman]

At least 12 years old, but works fine. 

146A Lincoln Road

I'll post when it's gone.

Thanks!




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Re: [LincolnTalk] Thoughts on the Housing Choice Act and the October 10th Multi-Board Meeting

[William Broughton]

Thank you Bob and Rob, among many others, for the helpful insights.

I have a number of concerns with the currently proposed HCA options. The
impacts to affordable housing in town (both absolute number and percentage
of total), traffic, and finances (taxes) are just a few.

As another resident mentioned in a separate thread, the potential for areas
like Lincoln Woods, with a higher % of affordable housing units, to one day
be redeveloped and, despite an increase in total number of housing units,
result in a net decrease in the town's number of affordable units, is
concerning. If we can only mandate that 10% of new housing units (in the
HCA zone) must be affordable, and the 40b threshold for the town is also
10%, doesn't that imply that the town's overall ratio would get closer and
closer to being under the threshold with each new development that is
built? What will that result in - yet more development?

Further, the argument that the entire district needs to be near
the commuter rail station does not make sense to me. The commuter rail is,
at its best, inconvenient and expensive, and at its worst it is both of
those things, plus unreliable. The traffic study that was shared, in my
opinion, grossly understates the potential impact of the additional
vehicles resulting from the additional development. The reality is that
most people, unless they live in perhaps Boston/Cambridge/Somerville, use
cars for much of their daily lives.

It also pains me to hear, from multiple individuals, that the "potential
development will take decades". I'm a relatively new and young homeowner in
Lincoln. I intend to be here in the future "decades" referenced, and I hope
to get to enjoy Lincoln with my children in much the same way so many
current residents have over the past several decades. These choices we make
today will have big impacts, and we can also be sure that this will not be
the last effort by the Commonwealth to force additional development in the
decades to come.

I look forward to the continued lively debate among residents and the
various working groups, but it feels like there is much more that needs to
be explored before we can have a "final" proposal.

Best,
Will Broughton
Round Hill Rd


On Fri, Oct 6, 2023 at 2:32 PM Robert Ahlert  wrote:

> Thank goodness you are paying attention Bob!
>
> The HCA feels like a juggernaut and options were clearly favored towards
> “all near Lincoln station”.  I have a long series of unanswered questions.
> I hope to get answers and publish them all on a blog/website that everyone
> can read.
>
> I’ll need help to put it together and get answers.
>
> If anyone is even slightly concerned about what is happening with the HCA
> in Lincoln, please email me privately or text me on 781.738.1069.
>
> Rob A
>
> On Fri, Oct 6, 2023 at 1:30 PM Robert Domnitz 
> wrote:
>
>> As a recently-retired member of the Planning Board and Housing Choice Act
>> Working Group, I am concerned that the three options presented last
>> Saturday at the SOTT - and the plan to choose just one of those options at
>> a multi-board meeting on October 10th - will restrict Town Meeting to
>> merely rubber-stamping the HCAWG's decision. And the HCAWG's decision will
>> reflect its embedded priorities that may differ from what town meeting
>> would choose if we are given more options. I therefore think it is crucial
>> for the HCAWG to submit several options to the state for advisory opinions
>> prior to Town Meeting. All options should be presented to Town Meeting for
>> debate and vote.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'd like to expand on some of the points made - and some of the points
>> omitted - by the presenters at last Saturday's SOTT meeting.
>>
>>
>>
>> 1. *About 35% of the town's residences are currently multi-family* (not
>> including Hanscom Field, see list below). Most folks are surprised when
>> they hear this. Lincoln has done an outstanding job allowing multi-family
>> living while maintaining our rural character. With full build-out under the
>> HCA, multi-family housing will approach 50% of the town's inventory.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2. *State guidelines for the HCA provide a mechanism for towns to **get**
>> credit for existing multifamily housing.* Towns are free to locate
>> HCA-compliant subdistricts in areas that currently have high residential
>> density. These subdistricts will help us meet our "quota," even though it
>> is very unlikely these areas will be redeveloped.
>>
>>
>>
>> 3. *An evaluation of the various options requires consideration of the
>> likelihood that redevelopment will **actually **occur.* Existing condo
>> developments would require consent of the owners to redevelop, with the
>> particular procedures laid out in the condominiums' organizational
>> documents. If condo owners don't want redevelopment to happen, it won't
>> happen. Existing apartment buildings (e.g., Oriole Landing) owned by a
>> single entity would only require a decision by that entity and would depend
>> on their analysis of w

Re: [LincolnTalk] Gentle reminder to dog owners on trails

[Anne Warner]

Thank you for this. The other day I was walking in the Flint Pond conservation 
area when a loose dog about 50 feet from its owner ran up to me. I am 
frightened of dogs, stopped, and politely asked the owner (who was running 
himself) to please leash his dog. The guy was incredibly belligerent towards me 
and said “there are no leash laws in Lincoln, so deal with it” and ran off. 
There is a sign right at the trailhead to that piece of land, which I guess the 
guy just didn’t read. For those of you out there with dogs - please remember to 
at not all of us are comfortable with dogs, even if you know them to be 
friendly (if enthusiastic). 

- Sent from iPhone. Typed by thumb. Excuse misspellings! 

> On Oct 9, 2023, at 1:53 PM, Sara R via Lincoln  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the reminder Jessica .
> 
> Perhaps all of us who use dog walkers can also kindly forward these rules to 
> them too as a reminder too.  I know we try to respect these rules but let’s 
> all make sure they do too- there is one dog walker who comes into Lincoln who 
> doesn’t and we and others have had to remind this person repeatedly about 
> this when she has 3-5 unleashed dogs with her.  And we have dogs and love 
> doggies it’s not about dog love!  
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Sara Brown 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Oct 9, 2023, at 1:18 PM, Jessica Cooper  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Friends,
>> 
>> About three weeks ago two giant poodles ran up to me on the trail behind/ 
>> around Codman Farm. They were big dogs, and ran several hundred yards from 
>> the owner to get to me, where they both stopped inches from me and checked 
>> me out. It was unnerving. The owner was shouting, but the dogs did not 
>> follow the owner's voice commands.
>> 
>> I am a dog owner myself, and this weekend a similar thing happened in 
>> another part of lincoln on conservation land, where an unleashed dog ran 
>> several yards from the owner to approach me. 
>> 
>> I looked up the town rules, and thought I might share them here. This is cut 
>> and pasted directly from the site. Thanks to all the responsible dog owners 
>> out there - there are many of you. And there are a few who maybe haven't had 
>> a good look at the rules and need a little nudge! 
>> 
>> Dog Walking Rules 
>> Dogs must be leashed or under effective voice control at all times. “Voice 
>> Control” is defined as the dog being always within the owner’s sight and 
>> hearing & trained to come immediately when called.
>> Dogs must be leashed (or held by the collar) when approaching other trail 
>> users unless the other user expressly gives permission to leave the dog off 
>> leash. Some people are not comfortable around dogs.
>> A maximum of 3 leashed dogs are allowed per person. Visitors with 2 or fewer 
>> dogs may unleash their dogs, except where leashes are expressly required.
>> Dog owners must always carry a leash for each dog (8-foot maximum).
>> Dogs are not permitted to chase, hunt, or harass people, wildlife, other 
>> dogs, horses, or livestock.
>> All dog waste must be picked up and removed from the property.
>> Dogs must be leashed:
>> In parking areas and within 100 feet of trailheads.
>> At Flints Pond Conservation Area in order to protect Lincoln’s water supply.
>> In agricultural fields which are used for food production, and in pastures 
>> while livestock are on those fields.
>> Along certain trails at Mt. Misery, and in ecologically sensitive areas and 
>> hayfields, as posted.
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[LincolnTalk] Dental help needed

[Anne Warner]

I am writing for a family friend who is in his late seventies and living
with Medicare as his sole income.  Due to a long term illness, he has had
serious dental problems, and due to the loss of two more teeth, he
currently urgently needs 1) to have two teeth extracted, and 2) to have
someone take impressions for and make both upper and lower partial dentures
to replace the ones he has which are failing.  We are learning that the
cost of getting this done is between 15 and 20,000USD which is far beyond
his means.  Without having this work done, however, he is unable to eat
anything except very soft or liquid foods.  He is otherwise healthy, and
this is not a viable situation!

How do people on Medicare (which provides no dental coverage) manage this?
He can't be the only senior with dental issues. Can anyone recommend a
lower cost option for getting these services?

Anne Warner

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Re: [LincolnTalk] Housing

[THERESA KAFINA via Lincoln]

Thank You Don.  Well said!
Theresa Kafina 

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> On Oct 9, 2023, at 6:41 PM, Donald Seckler  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Bob, for your direct and well reasoned contribution to the housing 
> debate. The idea that people of modest means need to walk to the T makes as 
> much sense as saying that they need housing close to a sports bar so they can 
> watch TV. In our country most people who want them own televisions, and view 
> them when and where they desire. Most people also own cars, and will continue 
> to drive them, whatever social planners may wish. Our representatives-and our 
> recent governor-should be held responsible for the draconian piece of social 
> engineering that people seem to see as having just “happened” to us. We need 
> housing, for sure, but the present plan encodes choices built on class 
> warfare and wishful thinking.
> 
> Don Seckler
> 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] 10/10/2023 Housing Choice Multi-Board Zoom info

[THERESA KAFINA via Lincoln]

Thank You Deborah! 
If I am reading this correctly…. It looks like  a “ final vote” is approaching 
all of us much too quickly. 
The town planning Board seems to be in a real rush, which I find quite Scary 
especially when MANY residents are ill informed …on a major building proposal 
that is going to directly impact the landscape of this quaint small town.  

Thanks again, 
Theresa Kafina 

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> On Oct 9, 2023, at 12:54 PM, Deborah Howe via Lincoln 
>  wrote:
> 
> For those who haven’t gone onto the Town website to pull up the Planning 
> Board calendar, here is the agenda and Zoom link for Tuesday night’s 
> Multi-Board meeting about the Housing Choice options. 
> 
> As the agenda points out, this meeting is scheduled for the various Town 
> boards involved to select a “final configuration” of the Town’s proposed 3A 
> Housing Choice District. 
> 
> If you are interested in the disposition of density in Lincoln, and think 
> that perhaps more citizen discussion and input might lead to a solution that 
> accomplishes the Commonwealth’s goals while reflecting better this Town’s 
> character, this is the Zoom call to join.
> 
> You can get the same info from the Planning Board website, but for quick 
> reference (the Town site loaded verry slowly for me), here it is:
> 
> 7 pm, Tuesday, 10/10/23, at the link highlighted below.
> 
> See you on Zoom ~
> 
> Deb Howe
> 
> 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Lincoln's Choice -Your Voice - Oct 10th critical

[Bijoy Misra]

Dear Barbara and friends,
Five years ago such proposals of dense construction at the Lincoln station
did come up
in some Housing Commission meetings.  I saw the unsuitability of the
proposal. Many
residents complained in the open meeting.  Some of our colleagues called me
names
forcing me to leave the Commission.  it is possible that the same proposal
or the same
builders have resurrected it in a new cover.  Let the housing be
distributed, let us create
public transportation in town as a service.  While I am writing this, I
have no interest in
participating because of the ugly experience last time.
Best regards,
Bijoy Misra


On Mon, Oct 9, 2023 at 7:27 AM Barbara Peskin  wrote:

> Dear Lincoln,
> *What will our choice for Lincoln's future be at Town meeting?* It may
> depend on our collective voices October 10th. My thoughts for HCAWG and a
> more thorough explanation from a fellow citizen are below:
>
>
> Dear Housing Choice Act Working Group,
>
> 1) I agree with the viewpoint Bob Domnitz voiced on LIncoln Talk and below.
>
> In addition:
> 2) Lincoln has long supported a variety of housing options and we have a
> lot of housing already - it is important that everyone on the working group
> visits all the sections of town mentioned to see all the existing housing
> we have.
>
> 3) The MBTA is not currently a popular choice of transportation nor the
> only choice of transportation for those units - it is highly likely that
> 400-500 additional units of housing at Lincoln Station will bring two cars
> per unit - that is another 800-1000 cars of daily traffic for the town.
>
> 4) Lincoln is Lincoln - putting a proposal forward for dense housing in
> one location is not in keeping with and would be a stresser on Lincoln's
> important history of being a town where people can live in and with nature.
>
> If this is a choice - why would we put the strain on the people currently
> living near Lincoln Station, people visiting and driving through Lincoln
> Station, and the schools and other services. If you go forward with a plan
> to propose 1000 additional cars at Lincoln Station and 500 additional
> housing units in one location, is it not the end of the Lincoln we know?
>
> Sincerely,
> Barbara Peskin
> 299 South Great Rd
>
>
> *From:* Robert Domnitz 
> *Sent:* Friday, October 6, 2023 1:30 PM
> *To:* lincoln@lincolntalk.org
> *Subject:* [LincolnTalk] Thoughts on the Housing Choice Act and the
> October 10th Multi-Board Meeting
>
> As a recently-retired member of the Planning Board and Housing Choice Act
> Working Group, I am concerned that the three options presented last
> Saturday at the SOTT - and the plan to choose just one of those options at
> a multi-board meeting on October 10th - will restrict Town Meeting to
> merely rubber-stamping the HCAWG's decision. And the HCAWG's decision will
> reflect its embedded priorities that may differ from what town meeting
> would choose if we are given more options. I therefore think it is crucial
> for the HCAWG to submit several options to the state for advisory opinions
> prior to Town Meeting. All options should be presented to Town Meeting for
> debate and vote.
>
>
> I'd like to expand on some of the points made - and some of the points
> omitted - by the presenters at last Saturday's SOTT meeting.
>
>
> 1. *About 35% of the town's residences are currently multi-family* (not
> including Hanscom Field, see list below). Most folks are surprised when
> they hear this. Lincoln has done an outstanding job allowing multi-family
> living while maintaining our rural character. With full build-out under the
> HCA, multi-family housing will approach 50% of the town's inventory.
>
>
> 2. *State guidelines for the HCA provide a mechanism for towns to get
> credit for existing multifamily housing.* Towns are free to locate
> HCA-compliant subdistricts in areas that currently have high residential
> density. These subdistricts will help us meet our "quota," even though it
> is very unlikely these areas will be redeveloped.
>
>
> 3. *An evaluation of the various options requires consideration of the
> likelihood that redevelopment will actually occur.* Existing condo
> developments would require consent of the owners to redevelop, with the
> particular procedures laid out in the condominiums' organizational
> documents. If condo owners don't want redevelopment to happen, it won't
> happen. Existing apartment buildings (e.g., Oriole Landing) owned by a
> single entity would only require a decision by that entity and would depend
> on their analysis of whether an increase in density would justify the cost
> of redevelopment. On the other hand, rezoning single family homes on Codman
> Road as shown in options A,B, and C from the HCAWG would likely result in
> rapid redevelopment, as owners on Codman Road take advantage of the jump in
> value that would result from the increase in development potential.
>
>
> 4. *State guidelines require that only 20% of the HCA-compliant distric

Re: [LincolnTalk] Dental help needed

[Rachel Shulman]

Hi Anne,

oh, this sounds so frustrating!

The Tufts School of Dental Medicine might be able to help:
https://dental.tufts.edu/patient-care

I hope this is helpful.

Best,
Rachel

On Mon, Oct 9, 2023 at 9:17 PM Anne Warner  wrote:

> I am writing for a family friend who is in his late seventies and living
> with Medicare as his sole income.  Due to a long term illness, he has had
> serious dental problems, and due to the loss of two more teeth, he
> currently urgently needs 1) to have two teeth extracted, and 2) to have
> someone take impressions for and make both upper and lower partial dentures
> to replace the ones he has which are failing.  We are learning that the
> cost of getting this done is between 15 and 20,000USD which is far beyond
> his means.  Without having this work done, however, he is unable to eat
> anything except very soft or liquid foods.  He is otherwise healthy, and
> this is not a viable situation!
>
> How do people on Medicare (which provides no dental coverage) manage
> this?  He can't be the only senior with dental issues. Can anyone recommend
> a lower cost option for getting these services?
>
> Anne Warner
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Dental help needed

[Sara Mattes]

The other place to check is with our COA/H &HS-they might have guidance and 
suggestions as to how to approach his own COA.
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> On Oct 9, 2023, at 10:54 PM, Rachel Shulman  wrote:
> 
> Hi Anne,
> 
> oh, this sounds so frustrating!
> 
> The Tufts School of Dental Medicine might be able to help: 
> https://dental.tufts.edu/patient-care
> 
> I hope this is helpful.
> 
> Best,
> Rachel
> 
> On Mon, Oct 9, 2023 at 9:17 PM Anne Warner  > wrote:
>> I am writing for a family friend who is in his late seventies and living 
>> with Medicare as his sole income.  Due to a long term illness, he has had 
>> serious dental problems, and due to the loss of two more teeth, he currently 
>> urgently needs 1) to have two teeth extracted, and 2) to have someone take 
>> impressions for and make both upper and lower partial dentures to replace 
>> the ones he has which are failing.  We are learning that the cost of getting 
>> this done is between 15 and 20,000USD which is far beyond his means.  
>> Without having this work done, however, he is unable to eat anything except 
>> very soft or liquid foods.  He is otherwise healthy, and this is not a 
>> viable situation! 
>> 
>> How do people on Medicare (which provides no dental coverage) manage this?  
>> He can't be the only senior with dental issues. Can anyone recommend a lower 
>> cost option for getting these services? 
>> 
>> Anne Warner
>> 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Lincoln Squirrel poll on community center

[Sara Mattes]

Not only that, some of us continue to have issues with signing in.
It is a sporadic problem…preventing a regular dose of The Squirrel.

Get your IT person on the case, pronto.


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> On Oct 9, 2023, at 4:59 PM, Alice Waugh  wrote:
> 
> The poll that was on the Lincoln Squirrel website seems to have crippled 
> other functions on the site (including the calendar), so that's why the poll 
> is no longer accessible. If we're able to recover the poll results, I'll 
> publish them as soon as I can. Sorry for the inconvenience!
> 
> Alice Waugh
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