[LincolnTalk] HCA General Information Video

[Barbara Peskin]

Dear Lincoln,

I have lived in Lincoln since 1995. I cherish it. It is unique and special.
It takes care of people and wildlife.

I have had the privilege of working with some very smart people in
trying to understand HCA.  I hope this video helps us all approach the HCA
Mandate thoughtfully.

In the end, I hope we continue our commitment to the land and wildlife, the
people who live here now, and that new residents have affordable and
diverse living options, and can live in nature as is our legacy.

Thank you for watching the 15 minute video.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1L2rRPHPBlelQBx9Jkjco_j95P6kRAzX6/view?usp=drive_link




~
Barbara Peskin

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[LincolnTalk] Wildlife will Be Indebted to You Part II and General Info video

[Barbara Peskin]

Dear Lincoln,

After I posted about the wildlife I received a number of emails.

Response on Wildlife:
Including these two one from a Wells Rd resident and the other from a
Codman resident.

   - "There is a significant wildlife corridor between the huge wetland on
   126 and Lincoln Road; it covers woods, Farm Meadow, and the extensive
   complex of wetland on either side of Lincoln Road, and links up with
   Drumlin Farm via Codman Road. It is home to coyotes, foxes, fishers,
   turtles (one 14-inch snapper crossed the commuter rail lot last summer to
   lay eggs on the bank behind my townhouse), owls, turkeys, and myriad
   smaller fauna."
   -
   - "For the past 20 years I have cleared the invasives off my 2 acre
   property and turned it into a permaculture site, and consequently there is
   an abundance of wildlife here. Thank you again for standing up against
   this."

On Democracy

   - Perhaps we could consider rank choice voting. Imagine if Option C had
   73 votes, Option D1 had 70 and Option D2 had 70. It would mean the
   overwhelming majority of Lincoln residents didn't want Option C but it
   would pass anyway.

On HCA in general video

   - I also heard from a number of people who needed more information and
   so I created a video that I am sharing on its own thread which is a result
   of a lot of questions, answers and research and my own lights of
   understanding along the way. I hope it helps you and I hope it helps
   Lincoln.

I still believe we should take Option C off the table and then consider two
or three reasonable, well informed options with rank choice voting.

Thank you!


~
Barbara Peskin

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Re: [LincolnTalk] Bad Water Quality -

[Carl Robert Blesius]

Wouldn’t typically notice, b/c I installed a reverse osmosis system when we 
moved into town (I used to sell them door-to-door as a teen and the marketing 
material I created made me a firm believer in R/O systems), yet I was at a 
friends house close to our water source last night and was shocked  by the 
taste after poring myself a cup of the fine “unfiltered” Sandy/Flint’s Pond 
water. I was so surprised by the taste I felt compelled to try our the tap 
water at home and experienced the same surprising flavor. Although it was a 
shock to my pampered taste buds I do think it’s likely a result of algae 
related compounds being elevated with the change is seasons.This variance in 
taste can be expected when pulling out water from a natural body of water. 
Although i’m sticking with my self designed filtration systems I find comfort 
in humanity on the whole drinking MUCH MUCH worse for millennia and I our water 
department keeping us safe.

Carl Blesius
Todd Pond Rd 

> 
> On Oct 29, 2023, at 20:07, Kathleen Lomatoski  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I have not had this happen! I am sorry for your water issues. Reach out asap 
> to the Water Superintendent:
> 
> Darin LaFalam
> Water Superintendent
> 
> lafal...@lincolntown.org
> 
> He is knowledgeable and responsive from what I have seen. 
> 
> Kathleen Lomatoski 
> 
> klomato...@gmail.com
> 
>>> On Oct 29, 2023, at 8:00 PM, Lindsay Clemens  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Dear Lincoln Talk - 
>> 
>> We are experiencing a heavy smell and taste of mildew or mold in our tap 
>> water for the last month or more. Is this something you’ve noticed as well? 
>> 
>> - Lindsay Clemens
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Bad Water Quality -

[RAandBOB]

I have not noticed this in our water. Please contact the water department.

Ruth Ann
(She, her, hers)

> On Oct 29, 2023, at 8:00 PM, Lindsay Clemens  wrote:
> 
> 
> Dear Lincoln Talk - 
> 
> We are experiencing a heavy smell and taste of mildew or mold in our tap 
> water for the last month or more. Is this something you’ve noticed as well? 
> 
> - Lindsay Clemens
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[LincolnTalk] Join us for Recovering Lost Voices: November 12th, 4:00-5:00pm

[Abigail Adams via Lincoln]

Join us for Recovering Lost Voices: November 12th, 4:00-5:00pm




Join us for a special talk at the Codman Estate’s Carriage House with Jen 
Turner of The Robbins House  as we explore an important and often overlooked 
part of the history in Lincoln, MA — the lives of people who worked this land, 
many of whom did so without choice. This lecture is part of Codman Community 
Farms' 50th Anniversary Year events and we are grateful for the opportunity to 
learn more about the people that helped create the farm we so value. All are 
welcome, and we hope to see you! Light nibbles and drinks will be served. 




RSVP  HERE! 



SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 12, 20234:00 PM - 5:00 PM
58 CODMAN ROAD LINCOLN, MA, 01773 UNITED STATES (MAP)

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[LincolnTalk] CCBC Outreach & Purpose of Dec 2 Special Town Meeting

[Krystal Wood]

COMMUNITY CENTER BUILDING COMMITTEE
October 2023

*What is the purpose of the December 2 Special Town Meeting (STM)?*
At the STM, on December 2, 2023, the CCBC will present Community Center
building concepts for four possible project budgets, so that the residents
of Lincoln can understand what value the town can hope to create at the
different levels of investment. At the meeting, those attending will then
vote to choose the concept and budget that the CCBC will develop and will
present for a funding vote at the Town Meeting in March, 2024. The meeting
will open at 8:15 a.m. and the presentations will start at 9:30 a.m., in
the school auditorium.

Following the motion approved by the town in November, 2022, and based upon
the feedback from the State of the Town Meeting (September 30, 2023), the
four concepts will include:

   - A project with an estimated cost of $23.02 million;
   - A one-story project with an estimated cost no more than $18.75 million;
   - A smaller version of the one-story project with a lower project cost;
   and
   - A project with an estimated cost of no more than $12.5 million.

In November, there will be a series of opportunities for Lincoln residents
to learn about the Community Center plans, to ask questions and to provide
feedback:

   - Public Forum: Tues., November 14, at 7:00 p.m., Hartwell Multipurpose
   Room;
   - CCBC meeting: Weds., November 15, at 7:00 p.m., Donaldson Room;
   - COA&HS Coffee Hour: Weds., November 29, at 10:30 a.m., Bemis Hall;
   - CCBC meeting: Weds., November 29, at 7:00 p.m., Donaldson Room.

Residents can participate in any of these meetings with a Zoom link that
will be available on the Town website.

The CCBC will also be hosting a series of neighborhood coffees in the month
of November, it will be making presentations in the public meetings of
other Town boards, and CCBC members will be providing information at the
Fall Fest and other town gatherings.
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Bad Water Quality -

[Kathleen Lomatoski]

Hello,

I have not had this happen! I am sorry for your water issues. Reach out asap to 
the Water Superintendent:

Darin LaFalam
Water Superintendent

lafal...@lincolntown.org

He is knowledgeable and responsive from what I have seen. 

Kathleen Lomatoski 

klomato...@gmail.com

> On Oct 29, 2023, at 8:00 PM, Lindsay Clemens  wrote:
> 
> Dear Lincoln Talk - 
> 
> We are experiencing a heavy smell and taste of mildew or mold in our tap 
> water for the last month or more. Is this something you’ve noticed as well? 
> 
> - Lindsay Clemens
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Bad Water Quality -

[Caitlin Hogue]

Lindsay, our tap water has smelled and tasted very strongly of dirt for the
past month. I can also smell the dirt smell when the shower is running (so
it’s cold and hot water).

We are on Lincoln rd. I was thinking it was just our house!

Katy

On Sun, Oct 29, 2023 at 8:00 PM Lindsay Clemens 
wrote:

>
> Dear Lincoln Talk -
>
> We are experiencing a heavy smell and taste of mildew or mold in our tap
> water for the last month or more. Is this something you’ve noticed as well?
>
> - Lindsay Clemens
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[LincolnTalk] Bad Water Quality -

[Lindsay Clemens]

Dear Lincoln Talk - 

We are experiencing a heavy smell and taste of mildew or mold in our tap water 
for the last month or more. Is this something you’ve noticed as well? 

- Lindsay Clemens
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[LincolnTalk] Nov,. 5 Concert at St. Anne's Church, Lincoln

[Al Rossiter]

On Sunday evening November 5th at 5:00, the Fauré Requiem will be presented
at St. Anne’s in-the-Fields, 147 Concord Road in Lincoln.  This dramatic
and moving choral work, beloved by listeners and singers alike, will be
offered in remembrance of all those we love but see no longer.  The St.
Anne’s choir, with soloists soprano Meghan Zuver and baritone Greg
Mancusi-Ungaro, will be accompanied by a chamber orchestra and organist
Frederick A. MacArthur, all under the direction of Jay Lane.
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Inaccuracies in rezoning proposals submitted to the State

[Michael Dembowski]

Rich- I appreciate the apology made in advance, not the narrow literal interpretation of a well-intentioned post. Michael On Oct 29, 2023, at 11:22 AM, Rich Rosenbaum  wrote:I very much appreciate your 
response, having cherry picked my email as (perhaps) offering a good 
primer on civic process here in Lincoln. I find it helpful to have this 
be on LT to help inform and remind all. from Wikipedia:Cherry picking, suppressing evidence, or the fallacy of incomplete evidence
 is the act of pointing to individual cases or data that seem to confirm
 a particular position while ignoring a significant portion of related 
and similar cases or data that may contradict that position. Cherry picking may be committed intentionally or unintentionally.[2]
I see no 'cherry picking' either intentional or otherwise. I, for one, appreciate the inclusion of relevant references so that I have the context for a response especially within a long thread of multiple messages.If you meant another definition of 'cherry picking', my apologies.RichOn Sun, Oct 29, 2023 at 10:52 AM Michael Dembowski  wrote:Margaret - I very much appreciate your response, having cherry picked my email as (perhaps) offering a good primer on civic process here in Lincoln. I find it helpful to have this be on LT to help inform and remind all. Sincerely Michael DembowskiConant Road On Oct 29, 2023, at 9:16 AM, Margaret Olson  wrote:"At what point does any town official respond to David's critique? - a response is needed whether by special meeting or thru LT.At risk is any community faith in the process that already seems fractured. "Michael,The open meeting laws require that any deliberations be held in a posted public meeting. When I respond to posts it is to cite facts and to the extent possible point people to existing information. The open meeting law requirements are cumbersome and do make the pace of response slow, and particularly slow for issues that cross multiple boards as does the HCA.All of the HCA materials, including the town's state submission (to date) and all public presentations, can be found here: https://www.lincolntown.org/1327/Housing-Choice-Act-Working-Group. This site is updated regularly with new information. Keep in mind that the boards and committees receive multiple variations on the same questions and in general address them through the public forums and the town's HCA page.I encourage you and others with questions to come to one of the forums on November 8th: at 8am in the town offices or at 7pm on Zoom (registration: https://us06web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZ0lcuuqqj8uGtFZbgFL3Ghr2zR5oH5ZdaVF). MargaretOn Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 8:52 AM Michael Dembowski  wrote:At what point does any town official respond to David's critique? - a response is needed whether by special meeting or thru LT.At risk is any community faith in the process that already seems fractured. Dialogue is welcome - whether it be acknowledgement of errors, a response to each point made, or even an extended invite to David to formally join HCAWG.Michael DembowskiConant Road

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[LincolnTalk] Fwd: Looking Ahead: November 2023 at The Umbrella...and note the cover image.

[Sara Mattes]

Of special note, the image featured on the cover of this newsletter is by 
Lincoln’s own, Mary Kostman!

Ukraine”, monotype, 28”x14”, Mary Kostman © 2023
--
Sara Mattes




> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: "The Umbrella Arts Center" 
> Subject: Looking Ahead: November 2023 at The Umbrella
> Date: October 29, 2023 at 12:00:21 PM EDT
> To: samat...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Dear friends,
> 
> November is right around the corner, and it feels like fall is settling in. A 
> time for good stories, inspiring art, and being together.
> 
> There are still a few more chances to catch the Stage Company’s fabulous fall 
> line-up of Lizzie and White Rabbit Red Rabbit. Jordan Kessler’s moving 
> exhibit in the Allie Kussin Gallery is now online with pieces available for 
> sale. And Art Ramble still beckons you to crunch through the leaves at 
> Hapgood Wright Town Forest for a few more weeks.
> 
> New this month, we’re excited to introduce you to our new Ceramics 
> Artist-in-Residence Kyle Johns. Check out the dates for his artist talk and 
> workshop. We’re looking forward to exploring printmaking with our new gallery 
> exhibit. And our November film takes us on a road trip in search of family 
> and self. Sheila O’Malley of rogerebert.com  says, 
> "Stunning. A lyrical and poetic journey ...You don't watch the movie. You 
> experience it through your senses."
> 
> Here’s your guide to everything under The Umbrella this November.
> 
> P.S. Mark your calendars for Winter Semester Registration. Find the perfect 
> class for the kiddos – and for you! – to fire up your senses and keep away 
> the chill all winter long.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> NOV 2
> 
> Artist Talk: Ceramic Artist-in-Residence Kyle Johns 
> 
> NOV 4
> 
> Free Family Day 
> 
> NOV 5
> 
> Ceramics Workshop with Kyle Johns 
> 
> A New Approach; Slip Casting, Modular Molds, and Layering Color
> 
> THROUGH NOV 5
> 
> Art Ramble Curator's Tour 
> 
> NOV 10
> 
> Lizzie, The Musical 
> 
> THROUGH NOV 12
> 
> White Rabbit Red Rabbit 
> 
> * Dinner & A Show Thursdays, featuring Nosh! (available 11/2 & 11/9)
> 
> THROUGH NOV 12
> 
> Zero Toys and the Death of Print 
> 
> Photographs by Jordan Kessler
> 
> THROUGH NOV 19
> 
> Art Ramble 2023: Geo-metric 
> 
> In Hapgood Wright Town Forest & The Umbrella lawn
> 
> THROUGH NOV 19
> 
> Banned 
> 
> Paintings by Maryam Safajoo
> 
> NOV 16 - JAN 4, 2024
> 
> Fresh Ink: Contemporary Explorations in Printmaking 
> 
> * Opening Reception Sunday, November 19, 4-6pm, with remarks by the juror and 
> prize winners
> 
> NOV 28
> 
> Concord Film Project 
> 
> The Unknown Country
> 
> NOV 29
> 
> Winter Semester Registration Opens 
> 
> SAVE THE DATE - A SNEAK PEEK AT DECEMBER
> 
> DEC 1 - DEC 3
> 
> Winte

Re: [LincolnTalk] Commuter Rail

[Rachel Shulman]

For what it's worth, until our move this week, I lived a 2 minute walk from
the Commuter Rail station, but I found that the train didn't run often
enough to be helpful to me (I work in Cambridge). I've taken the train a
few times when using my car wasn't a choice and it was miserable. Based on
reports from friends, it is also not reliable enough for me to plan to take
it when, say, I have to be on campus on time to teach - there's no wiggle
room on that one. Finally, I need to take the Red Line a few stops, and it,
too, has not been reliable enough to count on. And, personally, I find the
noise of the train and the T overwhelming and incredibly stress-inducing.
This doesn't even take into account the cost - even with a heavily
subsidized pass, I wouldn't save enough money on a per-trip basis to induce
me to stop driving. Since early 2017, I have worked in climate education,
with the goal of fighting the climate crisis, and even I can't bring myself
to use public transport anymore. My goal now is to budget wisely enough to
be able to buy an electric vehicle in the next few years - I can't even
wrap my head around how much would have to change to get me back to taking
public transport on a regular basis (before the pandemic I lived in
Arlington and ONLY used the bus/T to get to work. Even then the noise and
the crowds were awful, but given that my T-pass was free, I couldn't
justify EVER driving to campus.)

Building more housing by the train station (or in other parts of Lincoln)
is, in my own opinion, truly necessary for a host of reasons, but for it to
really work, we need to figure out how to get our elected officials to make
the train easier to use - it needs to run more often, more reliably, at a
more affordable rate, and, for me, at least, it needs to be quieter.
Without serious improvements to our public transport infrastructure,
building more housing only solves one part of the issue (the stupidly tight
housing market) without considering the larger structures in which that
housing is situated.

Just my $0.02. :)

Best,
Rachel

On Sun, Oct 29, 2023 at 1:54 PM Marjorie Dashef  wrote:

> With all the talk about the commuter rail and HCA I would like to add that
> I cannot use the commuter rail because the east direction dies not have a
> platform to step into.  It is not ADA complaint.  I used the rail when much
> younger but at 4'10" stepping off it is not safe for me. Last trip to
> sister (when car was not working) in Charlestown was done via Uber.
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Inaccuracies in rezoning proposals submitted to the State

[Karla Gravis]

We have been told that our questions will be answered at the forum on the
8th, but there are no meetings posted before then.  If these questions
required meetings, there would have to be one on the calendar for the HCAWG
before the 8th and there isn’t. In any case, the questions, technical in
nature, should not trigger a meeting.


Most of the questions focus around potential mistakes/inaccuracies in the
model that we submitted to the State. Just like some of the mistakes have
already been acknowledged and corrected by Utile, the other concerns should
be addressed before the forum. How would we properly have a discussion on
the 8th if the underlying data is not accurate?

   1. The Village Center district in the model submitted to the State is
   different from what was approved by the boards on October 10th. The maps
   changed *after* the approval meeting - additional parcels were colored
   in yellow and the corresponding acreage was changed without any explanation
   nor deliberation. Given the maps themselves changed, this cannot be
   attributed to a rounding error.
   2. We are including many parcels that provide 0 units towards
   compliance, like the DPW, which are not necessary for contiguity.
   3. The data in the model for Lincoln Woods continues to be inaccurate.
   The slides show 7.6 acres of developable land at Lincoln Woods, but the
   model submitted to the State only shows 6.2. The reason this is very
   important is because we could be undercounting units at LW by 18%. This
   undercounting can lead us to overzone in other areas.
   4. The excluded area numbers in the model continue to be inaccurate
   across a couple of districts.





On Sun, Oct 29, 2023 at 1:41 PM Rich Rosenbaum  wrote:

> I can't speak to the specific questions you are asking about but one
> possible reason for not immediately responding to a question is that it
> might require a discussion among members which would trigger the
> requirement that 'deliberations' must occur in the context of an open
> meeting.
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 29, 2023 at 1:17 PM Karla Gravis 
> wrote:
>
>> One of the questions we submitted was answered as part of the FAQs that
>> were sent out by the HCAWG on Friday, but the rest were not. See below for
>> quote from that email. This question was posed to the HCAWG via email after
>> any meeting happened, so I don’t believe there is a constraint to wait for
>> a meeting to send out FAQs.
>>
>> The email posted on LT says this in reference to the question we
>> submitted:
>> “Finally, there have been questions about whether Option C had excess
>> land. The answer to that is below and with other FAQs on the website.
>> As always, if you have specific questions, reach out individually.”.
>>
>> The FAQs states that there was indeed a mistake made by Utile in the
>> excel model submitted to the State, which was corrected after residents
>> brought it up.
>>
>> The CCBC and HCAWG regularly post FAQs on their website and LT. They are
>> also able to answer questions via email to residents, like Ms. Jennifer
>> Glass is kindly offering in that quote above. Ms. Olson regularly posts in
>> regards to technical questions. All these questions are technical.
>>
>> It is crucial we have the answers before the forum so we can have an
>> informed discussion.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 29, 2023 at 12:57 PM Rich Rosenbaum  wrote:
>>
>>> *I understand there may be open meeting law constrains on
>>> *back-and-forth debate* on a platform like this. However, why are the
>>> questions submitted any different from those that are regularly answered in
>>> FAQSs from many of the town boards? Why do we now have to wait for the
>>> forum?*
>>>
>>> From
>>> https://www.mass.gov/files/documents/2017/09/25/2017%20Guide%20only.pdf:
>>>
>>> The Open Meeting Law defines deliberation as “an oral or written

>>> communication through any medium, including electronic mail, between or
 among a
 quorum of a public body on any public business within its jurisdiction.”
>>>
>>>
>>> Note that the expression of an opinion on matters within the body’s
 jurisdiction
 to a quorum of a public body is a deliberation, even if no other public
 body member
 responds.

>>>
 Except in cases of emergency, a public body must provide the public
 with notice
 of its meeting 48 hours in advance, excluding Saturdays, Sundays, and
 legal holidays.

>>>
>>> I think most (all?) of the FAQs are distributed after meetings (that
>>> conformed to the Open Meeting Law).
>>>
>>> Rich
>>> (still not a lawyer, but at this point considering applying to law
>>> school)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 29, 2023 at 12:40 PM Karla Gravis 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 The questions that we have been posted on Lincoln Talk, and directly to
 the WG, are technical in nature. Both the HCAWG and the CCBC regularly post
 FAQs on the town website and on LT. In the case of the HCAWG, on Friday
 they posted the response to only one of t

Re: [LincolnTalk] Fw: HCA Slides from the 10/24 + link to meeting video + more answers to FAQs

[Danielle Pierce]

Karla,

Thank you for highlighting the outstanding discrepancies. I agree that we
need to see answers to these questions prior to the November 8 meeting.

This is way too important of an issue for things to be slipping through the
cracks, and Lincoln talk fact checkers have already found clear errors in
the submission that would have gone unnoticed and unfixed but for their
review. It seems to be in everyone’s interest to ensure that all areas
potential fact discrepancies are explored as early as possible in the
process.

We are getting a lot of answers that are couched in language such as
“guessing.” Guessing isn’t acceptable at this point. We need the actual,
fact-based answers.

Danielle
Twin Pond Lane


On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 9:29 PM Karla Gravis  wrote:

> Thank you for uploading the slides.Thank you also for answering one of the
> questions that were submitted. I am glad to hear that Utile has corrected
> one of the discrepancies we identified in the model.
>
> There are still other discrepancies that were submitted earlier in the
> week that have not been addressed. I apologize for the push, but it is
> important that residents have sound information leading into the November
> 8th forums.  We would be happy to meet in person to discuss.
>
>
>1. The Village Center district presented on Tuesday is different from
>what was presented at SOTT and approved by the Boards for submission on
>10/10. It cannot be attributed to a rounding error. It can be seen in the
>slides that new parcels have been colored in yellow in the district map and
>the acreage listed in the table is approximately one acre higher over what
>was approved in the public meeting. *How was that decided? Are there
>internal meetings where such decisions are made?*
>2. The DPW question many of us have posed remains unanswered. We get
>no credit for that lot from a compliance perspective and we don't need it
>in the model. *Why is DPW included in Option C? Is there a
>redevelopment plan?*
>3. Lincoln Woods is currently zoned at 20 units per acre for a maximum
>of 403 units, but we only get credit for 159 from the State. Ms. Vaughn
>confirmed that developers are not limited to the modeled capacity, they are
>only limited to the maximum capacity, as long as the developers abide by
>the setbacks and height restrictions. We would meet compliance if we zoned
>Lincoln Woods at 8 units per acre. *Why are we taking the extra risk
>of potential redevelopment (and resident eviction) by zoning LW at 20 units
>per acre?*
>4. Option C includes parcels amounting to tens of acres of land which
>do not contribute a single unit towards compliance. The list includes 136,
>140 and 150 Lincoln Rd, 0 Ridge (Town of Lincoln), 94, 98 and 108 Codman
>Rd, 30 Lewis St and several town parcels along the railroad track. *Why
>are those parcels being included in our proposal?*
>5. The data in the model for Lincoln Woods continues to be inaccurate. *The
>slides show 7.6 acres of developable land at Lincoln Woods, but the model
>only shows 6.2. The reason this is very important is because we could be
>undercounting units at LW by 18%. *This undercounting can lead us to
>overzone in other areas.
>6. Option C unnecessarily includes 6 acres of public land. Any parcel
>rezoned under the HCA can be redeveloped with only 10% affordable units.
>Instead of including those under HCA, *why not develop them at our own
>discretion with a higher affordability requirement?*
>7. The revised option C model could lead up to 1,370 being built in
>Lincoln Station. The cap is so high that we put ourselves at risk of many
>more units being built over the 639 modeled figure. *Why wasn't there
>a focused effort to ensure that the maximum number of units would match the
>modeled number? The proposals we have submitted are able to accomplish
>this.*
>8. The excluded area numbers in the model continue to be inaccurate
>across a couple of districts. Please see below for screenshots.
>
> I have shared these questions individually as well.
>
> Thank you,
> Karla
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> [image: image.png]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> - Forwarded Message -
>> *From:* Jennifer Glass via Lincoln 
>> *To:* LincolnTalk 
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 27, 2023 at 04:07:27 PM EDT
>> *Subject:* [LincolnTalk] HCA Slides from the 10/24 + link to meeting
>> video + more answers to FAQs
>>
>> Good afternoon,
>>
>> Thank you all for your patience in waiting for the slides from Tuesday’s
>> meeting.
>>
>> We know that there were questions about some of the numbers, and we
>> wanted to make sure we could go through the information with our
>> consultants at Utile before publishing the slides.
>>
>> This is the phase of the process when we are getting down to details such
>> as how many decimal places are we going to use in the calculations.  There
>> 

[LincolnTalk] Commuter Rail

[Marjorie Dashef]

With all the talk about the commuter rail and HCA I would like to add that I 
cannot use the commuter rail because the east direction dies not have a 
platform to step into.  It is not ADA complaint.  I used the rail when much 
younger but at 4'10" stepping off it is not safe for me. Last trip to sister 
(when car was not working) in Charlestown was done via Uber.
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Inaccuracies in rezoning proposals submitted to the State

[Bijoy Misra]

While I get complimentary private mails, I also get mail that
I see events with a jaundiced eye because I was born in a
foreign country.  I have difficulty in appreciating since the
same people ran the clown show in 2019.  Nobody took
responsibility, the developer's man was running the slides
in the open town meeting.  I was next to him helping with
the projector.  At least somebody should be candid to say
"sorry" to have wasted two hours of one hundred people for
a developer's lobby.   We are small town and we believe
what is sent to us.  There is some presumed conflict
of interest that bothers me!  It is us, not the developer!
Bijoy Misra

On Sun, Oct 29, 2023 at 1:18 PM Karla Gravis  wrote:

> One of the questions we submitted was answered as part of the FAQs that
> were sent out by the HCAWG on Friday, but the rest were not. See below for
> quote from that email. This question was posed to the HCAWG via email after
> any meeting happened, so I don’t believe there is a constraint to wait for
> a meeting to send out FAQs.
>
> The email posted on LT says this in reference to the question we
> submitted:
> “Finally, there have been questions about whether Option C had excess
> land. The answer to that is below and with other FAQs on the website.
> As always, if you have specific questions, reach out individually.”.
>
> The FAQs states that there was indeed a mistake made by Utile in the excel
> model submitted to the State, which was corrected after residents brought
> it up.
>
> The CCBC and HCAWG regularly post FAQs on their website and LT. They are
> also able to answer questions via email to residents, like Ms. Jennifer
> Glass is kindly offering in that quote above. Ms. Olson regularly posts in
> regards to technical questions. All these questions are technical.
>
> It is crucial we have the answers before the forum so we can have an
> informed discussion.
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 29, 2023 at 12:57 PM Rich Rosenbaum  wrote:
>
>> *I understand there may be open meeting law constrains on *back-and-forth
>> debate* on a platform like this. However, why are the questions submitted
>> any different from those that are regularly answered in FAQSs from many of
>> the town boards? Why do we now have to wait for the forum?*
>>
>> From
>> https://www.mass.gov/files/documents/2017/09/25/2017%20Guide%20only.pdf:
>>
>> The Open Meeting Law defines deliberation as “an oral or written
>>>
>> communication through any medium, including electronic mail, between or
>>> among a
>>> quorum of a public body on any public business within its jurisdiction.”
>>
>>
>> Note that the expression of an opinion on matters within the body’s
>>> jurisdiction
>>> to a quorum of a public body is a deliberation, even if no other public
>>> body member
>>> responds.
>>>
>>
>>> Except in cases of emergency, a public body must provide the public with
>>> notice
>>> of its meeting 48 hours in advance, excluding Saturdays, Sundays, and
>>> legal holidays.
>>>
>>
>> I think most (all?) of the FAQs are distributed after meetings (that
>> conformed to the Open Meeting Law).
>>
>> Rich
>> (still not a lawyer, but at this point considering applying to law school)
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 29, 2023 at 12:40 PM Karla Gravis 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The questions that we have been posted on Lincoln Talk, and directly to
>>> the WG, are technical in nature. Both the HCAWG and the CCBC regularly post
>>> FAQs on the town website and on LT. In the case of the HCAWG, on Friday
>>> they posted the response to only one of the questions on this same forum,
>>> but did not address any of the other questions that had been submitted.
>>>
>>> I understand there may be open meeting law constrains on *back-and-forth
>>> debate* on a platform like this. However, why are the questions
>>> submitted any different from those that are regularly answered in FAQSs
>>> from many of the town boards? Why do we now have to wait for the forum?
>>>
>>> I thought the intent of the forum was to weigh in on the different
>>> options D1-D3. It will be hard to have an informed conversation at the
>>> forum if the technical aspects of those options are not correct and/or
>>> clarified.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Arlington passes their HCA re-zoning plan

[Don Seltzer]

As a former longtime resident of Arlington and having recently moved to
Lincoln, I have followed how both communities have approached the MBTA-C
act (I cannot bring myself to call it a housing choice act).  I was active
in my former community in seeking a reasonable plan and I would like to
share my perspective.

Some Background - Arlington is the second densest town in Massachusetts.
It is denser than 2/3 of the cities in the Commonwealth.  Yet it has
maintained a suburban character distinct from its Cambridge and Somerville
neighbors.  Residents have long valued its tree canopy and modest front
yards.

The key to this balance between housing density and suburban feel are the
small lot sizes and a remarkable housing diversity.  Nearly half of
Arlington’s housing is in what is often called the ‘Missing Middle’,
multiple units in two or three story buildings.  Single family homes are
just 39% of the housing stock, and apartment buildings of four or more
stories comprise about 12%.

The MBTA-C act assigned Arlington a quota of 2046 housing units.  Within a
half mile distance from Alewife T station, Arlington has 58 developable
acres.  This neighborhood is already near the goal of 15 per acre density,
but it is primarily two family homes on undersized lots.  However the State
has defined multifamily as three or more units per building and does not
count two families as qualifying.

This east Arlington two family neighborhood could have been rezoned for
three family by right.  By extending the radius out to 3/4 mile along the
Minuteman Bike path, which leads directly to Alewife station, a primary
subdistrict could have been created which satisfied the guidelines
requirement of at least 50% of the land and unit quota.

But Arlington’s Working Group rejected from day one any consideration of
this neighborhood.  Instead they directed their efforts to a map which
stretched along Mass Ave and Broadway, and did not include a single parcel
within the half mile radius of Alewife, as specified in the actual law.

Arlington’s Working Group was composed of two members of the Redevelopment
(Planning) Board, the director of the Planning Dept, and a selection of
residents who were largely advocates of density and increased housing.
Unlike Lincoln, there were few other stakeholders included.  No one from
the schools, Conservation Comm, Tree Comm, Historical Comm, DPW,
Transportation Comm, etc. to provide their perspective.

The Working Group was adamant from the beginning that they considered their
mandate to be a radical rezoning of Arlington to introduce as much housing
development as possible. Compliance with the Act was not enough, they were
seeking super compliance of many times the quota assigned by the State. One
particularly vocal member stood up at an early meeting, raising their fist
as if brandishing a weapon and declared that the State had given them a
hammer and they would take the Town to the mat in forcing zoning change.

The first map that was drawn up had a potential for approximately 20,000
housing units, ten times what the State was asking for.  Some cutbacks in a
few neighborhoods reduced it to about 15,000, which was just fine with most
of the Working Group.  But it was eventually observed that the DHCD
Compliance Tool was producing nonsense numbers.  It was lousy at estimating
numbers for Arlington’s typical small parcels.  Utile (same consultants as
hired by Lincoln) implemented a work around fix that they thought might
help, cutting the estimated numbers to about 10,000.

The zoning map continued to go through numerous revisions.  At one point, a
Working Group member decided that the zoning overlay would make their
particular neighborhood too dense and insisted upon having a large chunk of
the east Arlington map removed from consideration.  The final report of the
Working Group included a plan for about 7000 units, 3.5 times what the
State required.

Public reaction was passionate and mixed, but many spoke out against the
four story, 46 foot high buildings that would be allowed in the side street
neighborhoods off Mass Ave and Broadway.  The Redevelopment Board responded
to public opinion and cut back the Working Group’s recommendations to three
stories and 35 feet, much more in keeping with the character of these
neighborhoods.  Along Mass Ave, four stories by right remained, with
certain bonuses that could jack buildings up to six stories.  The final
unit count was 3200 housing units, over 115 acres.

Since moving to Lincoln, I have been impressed with how the town is
approaching the unpleasant task of compliance with the MBTA-C act.  From
last spring on I have been following the meetings, both in person and on
Zoom.  I have been afforded opportunities to speak, and several requests
for more information have been promptly answered.  I am impressed with the
breadth of experience and the careful deliberations of the Working Group.
I do not necessarily agree with all of their decisions but I understand

Re: [LincolnTalk] Bringing HOSA to LSRHS

[Vama Gandhi]

Hi Lincoln Talks,

First off, we want to thank everyone who has already helped!
However, because the deadline is approaching, we would really
appreciate any other support we can receive. As mentioned in the previous
email, our club members are willing to help around in the community here,
as well as in Sudbury to ensure that financial status isn't a barrier to
anyone participating in the club, but also in order to raise needed funding
for the club! This could mean even helping out in small town events.


Our gofundme: https://gofund.me/c6511e68

Spread the word. Everything counts. Let's help build up the younger
generation!

Vama & Farhan

Our emails are linked, but you can also contact us via text or call.

Farhan cell: 978-201-3844

Vama cell: 978-402-5467

On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 8:34 PM Vama Gandhi  wrote:

> Hi Lincoln Talks!
>
> My name is Vama and I am a sophomore at Lincoln Sudbury Regional High
> School. A few months ago, my friend Farhan and I came across an
> organization called Health Occupations Students of America, better known as
> HOSA. HOSA has an array of competitive events ranging from leadership to
> the health sciences which aim to equip future health professionals with the
> skills necessary for success.
>
> We want to bring a chapter of HOSA to LS to allow us an opportunity to
> delve into medicine and kindle a similar passion in our peers. The
> installation of this club would not only benefit current students but also
> generations to come. However, we need your help to make this happen.
>
> HOSA charges each of its members two fees; a membership and conference fee
> which are $30 and $45, respectively. However, some members cannot pay the
> collective $75 and require financial aid. The community’s contributions
> will help cover these costs and ensure that financial status is not a
> barrier to anyone from participating in the club.
>
> To make this possible, we must raise roughly $1500 in one month (the
> deadline is November 15th). We are asking for the help of the Lincoln
> Community to achieve this goal. The members of our club are willing to
> provide services to any of the residents of our local community in order to
> earn the money needed. This could mean doing yard work, babysitting, or
> helping out in any other way.
>
> Our gofundme: https://gofund.me/c6511e68
>
> Help us empower a generation of future healthcare leaders,
>
> Vama & Farhan
>
> Our emails are linked, but you can also contact us via text or call.
>
> Farhan cell: 978-201-3844
>
> Vama cell: 978-402-5467
>
>
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Inaccuracies in rezoning proposals submitted to the State

[Rich Rosenbaum]

I can't speak to the specific questions you are asking about but one
possible reason for not immediately responding to a question is that it
might require a discussion among members which would trigger the
requirement that 'deliberations' must occur in the context of an open
meeting.


On Sun, Oct 29, 2023 at 1:17 PM Karla Gravis  wrote:

> One of the questions we submitted was answered as part of the FAQs that
> were sent out by the HCAWG on Friday, but the rest were not. See below for
> quote from that email. This question was posed to the HCAWG via email after
> any meeting happened, so I don’t believe there is a constraint to wait for
> a meeting to send out FAQs.
>
> The email posted on LT says this in reference to the question we
> submitted:
> “Finally, there have been questions about whether Option C had excess
> land. The answer to that is below and with other FAQs on the website.
> As always, if you have specific questions, reach out individually.”.
>
> The FAQs states that there was indeed a mistake made by Utile in the excel
> model submitted to the State, which was corrected after residents brought
> it up.
>
> The CCBC and HCAWG regularly post FAQs on their website and LT. They are
> also able to answer questions via email to residents, like Ms. Jennifer
> Glass is kindly offering in that quote above. Ms. Olson regularly posts in
> regards to technical questions. All these questions are technical.
>
> It is crucial we have the answers before the forum so we can have an
> informed discussion.
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 29, 2023 at 12:57 PM Rich Rosenbaum  wrote:
>
>> *I understand there may be open meeting law constrains on *back-and-forth
>> debate* on a platform like this. However, why are the questions submitted
>> any different from those that are regularly answered in FAQSs from many of
>> the town boards? Why do we now have to wait for the forum?*
>>
>> From
>> https://www.mass.gov/files/documents/2017/09/25/2017%20Guide%20only.pdf:
>>
>> The Open Meeting Law defines deliberation as “an oral or written
>>>
>> communication through any medium, including electronic mail, between or
>>> among a
>>> quorum of a public body on any public business within its jurisdiction.”
>>
>>
>> Note that the expression of an opinion on matters within the body’s
>>> jurisdiction
>>> to a quorum of a public body is a deliberation, even if no other public
>>> body member
>>> responds.
>>>
>>
>>> Except in cases of emergency, a public body must provide the public with
>>> notice
>>> of its meeting 48 hours in advance, excluding Saturdays, Sundays, and
>>> legal holidays.
>>>
>>
>> I think most (all?) of the FAQs are distributed after meetings (that
>> conformed to the Open Meeting Law).
>>
>> Rich
>> (still not a lawyer, but at this point considering applying to law school)
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 29, 2023 at 12:40 PM Karla Gravis 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The questions that we have been posted on Lincoln Talk, and directly to
>>> the WG, are technical in nature. Both the HCAWG and the CCBC regularly post
>>> FAQs on the town website and on LT. In the case of the HCAWG, on Friday
>>> they posted the response to only one of the questions on this same forum,
>>> but did not address any of the other questions that had been submitted.
>>>
>>> I understand there may be open meeting law constrains on *back-and-forth
>>> debate* on a platform like this. However, why are the questions
>>> submitted any different from those that are regularly answered in FAQSs
>>> from many of the town boards? Why do we now have to wait for the forum?
>>>
>>> I thought the intent of the forum was to weigh in on the different
>>> options D1-D3. It will be hard to have an informed conversation at the
>>> forum if the technical aspects of those options are not correct and/or
>>> clarified.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Inaccuracies in rezoning proposals submitted to the State

[Karla Gravis]

One of the questions we submitted was answered as part of the FAQs that
were sent out by the HCAWG on Friday, but the rest were not. See below for
quote from that email. This question was posed to the HCAWG via email after
any meeting happened, so I don’t believe there is a constraint to wait for
a meeting to send out FAQs.

The email posted on LT says this in reference to the question we submitted:
“Finally, there have been questions about whether Option C had excess land.
The answer to that is below and with other FAQs on the website.
As always, if you have specific questions, reach out individually.”.

The FAQs states that there was indeed a mistake made by Utile in the excel
model submitted to the State, which was corrected after residents brought
it up.

The CCBC and HCAWG regularly post FAQs on their website and LT. They are
also able to answer questions via email to residents, like Ms. Jennifer
Glass is kindly offering in that quote above. Ms. Olson regularly posts in
regards to technical questions. All these questions are technical.

It is crucial we have the answers before the forum so we can have an
informed discussion.




On Sun, Oct 29, 2023 at 12:57 PM Rich Rosenbaum  wrote:

> *I understand there may be open meeting law constrains on *back-and-forth
> debate* on a platform like this. However, why are the questions submitted
> any different from those that are regularly answered in FAQSs from many of
> the town boards? Why do we now have to wait for the forum?*
>
> From
> https://www.mass.gov/files/documents/2017/09/25/2017%20Guide%20only.pdf:
>
> The Open Meeting Law defines deliberation as “an oral or written
>>
> communication through any medium, including electronic mail, between or
>> among a
>> quorum of a public body on any public business within its jurisdiction.”
>
>
> Note that the expression of an opinion on matters within the body’s
>> jurisdiction
>> to a quorum of a public body is a deliberation, even if no other public
>> body member
>> responds.
>>
>
>> Except in cases of emergency, a public body must provide the public with
>> notice
>> of its meeting 48 hours in advance, excluding Saturdays, Sundays, and
>> legal holidays.
>>
>
> I think most (all?) of the FAQs are distributed after meetings (that
> conformed to the Open Meeting Law).
>
> Rich
> (still not a lawyer, but at this point considering applying to law school)
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 29, 2023 at 12:40 PM Karla Gravis 
> wrote:
>
>> The questions that we have been posted on Lincoln Talk, and directly to
>> the WG, are technical in nature. Both the HCAWG and the CCBC regularly post
>> FAQs on the town website and on LT. In the case of the HCAWG, on Friday
>> they posted the response to only one of the questions on this same forum,
>> but did not address any of the other questions that had been submitted.
>>
>> I understand there may be open meeting law constrains on *back-and-forth
>> debate* on a platform like this. However, why are the questions
>> submitted any different from those that are regularly answered in FAQSs
>> from many of the town boards? Why do we now have to wait for the forum?
>>
>> I thought the intent of the forum was to weigh in on the different
>> options D1-D3. It will be hard to have an informed conversation at the
>> forum if the technical aspects of those options are not correct and/or
>> clarified.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Inaccuracies in rezoning proposals submitted to the State

[Rich Rosenbaum]

*I understand there may be open meeting law constrains on *back-and-forth
debate* on a platform like this. However, why are the questions submitted
any different from those that are regularly answered in FAQSs from many of
the town boards? Why do we now have to wait for the forum?*

>From https://www.mass.gov/files/documents/2017/09/25/2017%20Guide%20only.pdf
:

The Open Meeting Law defines deliberation as “an oral or written
>
communication through any medium, including electronic mail, between or
> among a
> quorum of a public body on any public business within its jurisdiction.”


Note that the expression of an opinion on matters within the body’s
> jurisdiction
> to a quorum of a public body is a deliberation, even if no other public
> body member
> responds.
>

> Except in cases of emergency, a public body must provide the public with
> notice
> of its meeting 48 hours in advance, excluding Saturdays, Sundays, and
> legal holidays.
>

I think most (all?) of the FAQs are distributed after meetings (that
conformed to the Open Meeting Law).

Rich
(still not a lawyer, but at this point considering applying to law school)


On Sun, Oct 29, 2023 at 12:40 PM Karla Gravis  wrote:

> The questions that we have been posted on Lincoln Talk, and directly to
> the WG, are technical in nature. Both the HCAWG and the CCBC regularly post
> FAQs on the town website and on LT. In the case of the HCAWG, on Friday
> they posted the response to only one of the questions on this same forum,
> but did not address any of the other questions that had been submitted.
>
> I understand there may be open meeting law constrains on *back-and-forth
> debate* on a platform like this. However, why are the questions submitted
> any different from those that are regularly answered in FAQSs from many of
> the town boards? Why do we now have to wait for the forum?
>
> I thought the intent of the forum was to weigh in on the different options
> D1-D3. It will be hard to have an informed conversation at the forum if the
> technical aspects of those options are not correct and/or clarified.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Inaccuracies in rezoning proposals submitted to the State

[Karla Gravis]

The questions that we have been posted on Lincoln Talk, and directly to the
WG, are technical in nature. Both the HCAWG and the CCBC regularly post
FAQs on the town website and on LT. In the case of the HCAWG, on Friday
they posted the response to only one of the questions on this same forum,
but did not address any of the other questions that had been submitted.

I understand there may be open meeting law constrains on *back-and-forth
debate* on a platform like this. However, why are the questions submitted
any different from those that are regularly answered in FAQSs from many of
the town boards? Why do we now have to wait for the forum?

I thought the intent of the forum was to weigh in on the different options
D1-D3. It will be hard to have an informed conversation at the forum if the
technical aspects of those options are not correct and/or clarified.



On Oct 29, 2023, at 9:16 AM, Margaret Olson  wrote:
>
> 
>
> *"At what point does any town official respond to David's critique? - a
> response is needed whether by special meeting or thru LT.*
>
> *At risk is any community faith in the process that already seems
> fractured. "*
>
> Michael,
>
> The open meeting laws require that any deliberations be held in a posted
> public meeting. When I respond to posts it is to cite facts and to the
> extent possible point people to existing information. The open meeting law
> requirements are cumbersome and do make the pace of response slow, and
> particularly slow for issues that cross multiple boards as does the HCA.
>
> All of the HCA materials, including the town's state submission (to date)
> and all public presentations, can be found here:
> https://www.lincolntown.org/1327/Housing-Choice-Act-Working-Group. This
> site is updated regularly with new information. Keep in mind that the
> boards and committees receive multiple variations on the same questions and
> in general address them through the public forums and the town's HCA page.
>
> I encourage you and others with questions to come to one of the forums on
> November 8th: at 8am in the town offices or at 7pm on Zoom (registration:
> https://us06web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZ0lcuuqqj8uGtFZbgFL3Ghr2zR5oH5ZdaVF).
>
>
> Margaret
>
> On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 8:52 AM Michael Dembowski 
> wrote:
>
>> At what point does any town official respond to David's critique? - a
>> response is needed whether by special meeting or thru LT.
>> At risk is *any* community faith in the process that already seems
>> fractured.
>> Dialogue is welcome - whether it be acknowledgement of errors, a response
>> to each point made, or even an extended invite to David to formally join
>> HCAWG.
>> Michael Dembowski
>> Conant Road
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 8:09 AM Susanna Szeto  wrote:
>>
>>> Good questions Karla!  We need someone to ask these questions at the
>>> board meeting!  WHO will do it?
>>>
>>> Susanna
>>>
>>> On Oct 27, 2023, at 6:02 AM, Karla Gravis  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> There are a lot of details here (which I encourage everyone to read) but
>>> 3 very important questions require answers:
>>>
>>>
>>>- Why did we submit 18 more acres in parcels to the State than what
>>>was approved by town boards for Option C?
>>>- Why are we unnecessarily zoning Lincoln Woods to a much higher
>>>number of units than we have currently, thus creating an incentive for 
>>> TCB
>>>or another developer to come in and rebuild? The current affordability
>>>requirement ends in 2032.
>>>- Why are we including so many parcels that give us no compliance
>>>credit with the State but enable developers to build many more units than
>>>is required for compliance?
>>>
>>> Karla
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

 -- Forwarded message -
 From: ٍSarah Postlethwait 
 Date: Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 13:16
 Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] Inaccuracies in rezoning proposals submitted
 to the State
 To: David Cuetos 
 CC: Lincoln Talk 


 It’s concerning that we are paying Utile at least $20k to come up with
 these proposals on the town’s behalf and they have submitted it with this
 many inaccuracies.
 What is also is concerning is that, according to the minutes page, the
 HCAWG has not had a working meeting since the end of August- right after
 the guideline changes were announced and before option C was formed. No
 meetings were held in September and the two October meetings were multi
 board meeting presentations.

 *Is the full HCAWG reviewing the current proposals and what is being
 submitted to the state?*

 Including an additional 18 acres of land in the state proposal that has
 not been presented to the town and the Select board and planning board is
 unacceptable.

 *The HCAWG needs disbanded for the following reasons:*
  •2 members are representing the best interest of the RLF LLC (aka
 trying to get the highest density possible allowed by right so 

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[Margo Fisher-Martin]

Hi,

Is there anyone out there who would like to sell or get rid of one of
these? My husband needs one for a project. It does have to work, but does
not have to be anything fancy.
Reply directly to me.

Thank you!
Cookie Martin
14 Giles Rd
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Inaccuracies in rezoning proposals submitted to the State

[Rich Rosenbaum]

*I very much appreciate your response, having cherry picked my email as
(perhaps) offering a good primer on civic process here in Lincoln. I find
it helpful to have this be on LT to help inform and remind all. *

from Wikipedia:

> *Cherry picking*, *suppressing evidence*, or the *fallacy of incomplete
> evidence* is the act of pointing to individual cases or data that seem to
> confirm a particular position while ignoring a significant portion of
> related and similar cases or data that may contradict that position. Cherry
> picking may be committed intentionally or unintentionally.[2]
> 
>
I see no 'cherry picking' either intentional or otherwise. I, for one,
appreciate the inclusion of relevant references so that I have the context
for a response especially within a long thread of multiple messages.

If you meant another definition of 'cherry picking', my apologies.

Rich

On Sun, Oct 29, 2023 at 10:52 AM Michael Dembowski 
wrote:

> Margaret -
> I very much appreciate your response, having cherry picked my email as
> (perhaps) offering a good primer on civic process here in Lincoln. I find
> it helpful to have this be on LT to help inform and remind all.
> Sincerely
> Michael Dembowski
> Conant Road
>
> On Oct 29, 2023, at 9:16 AM, Margaret Olson  wrote:
>
> 
>
> *"At what point does any town official respond to David's critique? - a
> response is needed whether by special meeting or thru LT.*
>
> *At risk is any community faith in the process that already seems
> fractured. "*
>
> Michael,
>
> The open meeting laws require that any deliberations be held in a posted
> public meeting. When I respond to posts it is to cite facts and to the
> extent possible point people to existing information. The open meeting law
> requirements are cumbersome and do make the pace of response slow, and
> particularly slow for issues that cross multiple boards as does the HCA.
>
> All of the HCA materials, including the town's state submission (to date)
> and all public presentations, can be found here:
> https://www.lincolntown.org/1327/Housing-Choice-Act-Working-Group. This
> site is updated regularly with new information. Keep in mind that the
> boards and committees receive multiple variations on the same questions and
> in general address them through the public forums and the town's HCA page.
>
> I encourage you and others with questions to come to one of the forums on
> November 8th: at 8am in the town offices or at 7pm on Zoom (registration:
> https://us06web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZ0lcuuqqj8uGtFZbgFL3Ghr2zR5oH5ZdaVF).
>
>
> Margaret
>
> On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 8:52 AM Michael Dembowski 
> wrote:
>
>> At what point does any town official respond to David's critique? - a
>> response is needed whether by special meeting or thru LT.
>> At risk is *any* community faith in the process that already seems
>> fractured.
>> Dialogue is welcome - whether it be acknowledgement of errors, a response
>> to each point made, or even an extended invite to David to formally join
>> HCAWG.
>> Michael Dembowski
>> Conant Road
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] tweedlededum and tweedlededee

[ٍSarah Postlethwait]

Don,
The law only requires the REZONING to not be restricted by age or
affordability.

What is built on it CAN be restricted by age or a higher affordability and
comply with the “letter of the law”. This was stated by a board member
during one of the meetings.

In fact- Lincoln woods is included in every proposal from the HCAWG and it
is *DEED RESTRICTED* at a very high percentage of affordable housing
(around 58%) Which is a step even further than the Commons- which is not
deed restricted to be 55+. Same goes for Battle Farm Road which is Deed
Restricted at 40%.
The state only allows a maximum of 10%.

So if the letter of the law allows Lincoln Woods and Battle Farm Road, then
it also allows for The Commons.


On Sun, Oct 29, 2023 at 7:23 AM Don Seltzer  wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 9:32 PM ‫ٍSarah Postlethwait‬‎ 
> wrote:‬
>
>> The Commons refers to the assisted living/55+ community. It is about 30
>> acres of land and no wetlands, so it is ideal to rezone for the HCA.
>>
>
> Please note what the actual Law states:
>
> *... district of reasonable size in which multi-family housing is
> permitted as of right; provided, however, that such multi-family housing
> shall be without age restrictions and shall be suitable for families with
> children. *
> Add in the lack of any T service, it would be a stretch of the imagination
> to believe that EOHLC would accept such a plan as compliant with the law.
>
> Don Seltzer
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Inaccuracies in rezoning proposals submitted to the State

[Michael Dembowski]

Margaret - I very much appreciate your response, having cherry picked my email as (perhaps) offering a good primer on civic process here in Lincoln. I find it helpful to have this be on LT to help inform and remind all. Sincerely Michael DembowskiConant Road On Oct 29, 2023, at 9:16 AM, Margaret Olson  wrote:"At what point does any town official respond to David's critique? - a response is needed whether by special meeting or thru LT.At risk is any community faith in the process that already seems fractured. "Michael,The open meeting laws require that any deliberations be held in a posted public meeting. When I respond to posts it is to cite facts and to the extent possible point people to existing information. The open meeting law requirements are cumbersome and do make the pace of response slow, and particularly slow for issues that cross multiple boards as does the HCA.All of the HCA materials, including the town's state submission (to date) and all public presentations, can be found here: https://www.lincolntown.org/1327/Housing-Choice-Act-Working-Group. This site is updated regularly with new information. Keep in mind that the boards and committees receive multiple variations on the same questions and in general address them through the public forums and the town's HCA page.I encourage you and others with questions to come to one of the forums on November 8th: at 8am in the town offices or at 7pm on Zoom (registration: https://us06web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZ0lcuuqqj8uGtFZbgFL3Ghr2zR5oH5ZdaVF). MargaretOn Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 8:52 AM Michael Dembowski  wrote:At what point does any town official respond to David's critique? - a response is needed whether by special meeting or thru LT.At risk is any community faith in the process that already seems fractured. Dialogue is welcome - whether it be acknowledgement of errors, a response to each point made, or even an extended invite to David to formally join HCAWG.Michael DembowskiConant RoadOn Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 8:09 AM Susanna Szeto  wrote:Good questions Karla!  We need someone to ask these questions at the board meeting!  WHO will do it?SusannaOn Oct 27, 2023, at 6:02 AM, Karla Gravis  wrote:There are a lot of details here (which I encourage everyone
to read) but 3 very important questions require answers:Why did we submit 18 more acres in parcels to
the State than what was approved by town boards for Option C?Why are we unnecessarily zoning Lincoln Woods to
a much higher number of units than we have currently, thus creating an
incentive for TCB or another developer to come in and rebuild? The current
affordability requirement ends in 2032.Why are we including so many parcels that give
us no compliance credit with the State but enable developers to build many more
units than is required for compliance?Karla-- Forwarded message -From: ٍSarah Postlethwait Date: Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 13:16Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] Inaccuracies in rezoning proposals submitted to the StateTo: David Cuetos CC: Lincoln Talk It’s concerning that we are paying Utile at least $20k to come up with these proposals on the town’s behalf and they have submitted it with this many inaccuracies. What is also is concerning is that, according to the minutes page, the HCAWG has not had a working meeting since the end of August- right after the guideline changes were announced and before option C was formed. No meetings were held in September and the two October meetings were multi board meeting presentations.Is the full HCAWG reviewing the current proposals and what is being submitted to the state?Including an additional 18 acres of land in the state proposal that has not been presented to the town and the Select board and planning board is unacceptable. The HCAWG needs disbanded for the following reasons: •2 members are representing the best interest of the RLF LLC (aka trying to get the highest density possible allowed by right so they can sell the property to Civico for more money).•The proposals presented to the town all include unnecessary land that does not count towards the HCA compliance target.•Option C has been submitted to the state with this many inconsistencies that has been pointed out by David, and 18 acres of land being added that were not approved by the Select board or Planning board or the town. •The Open meeting law has been violated numerous times by the HCAWG; and a meeting mentioned in the select board minutes is missing from the HCAWG minutes page entirely. Better ways to comply with the HCA have been proposed. Stop rushing to get a RLF centric rezoning passed and get a better Working group in place. This rezoning is going to shape the future decades of Lincoln- let’s do it thoughtfully and purposefully. Sarah PostlethwaitOn Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 10:37 AM David Cuetos  wrote:Executive Summary:I 

Re: [LincolnTalk] Inaccuracies in rezoning proposals submitted to the State

[Margaret Olson]

*"At what point does any town official respond to David's critique? - a
response is needed whether by special meeting or thru LT.*

*At risk is any community faith in the process that already seems
fractured. "*

Michael,

The open meeting laws require that any deliberations be held in a posted
public meeting. When I respond to posts it is to cite facts and to the
extent possible point people to existing information. The open meeting law
requirements are cumbersome and do make the pace of response slow, and
particularly slow for issues that cross multiple boards as does the HCA.

All of the HCA materials, including the town's state submission (to date)
and all public presentations, can be found here:
https://www.lincolntown.org/1327/Housing-Choice-Act-Working-Group. This
site is updated regularly with new information. Keep in mind that the
boards and committees receive multiple variations on the same questions and
in general address them through the public forums and the town's HCA page.

I encourage you and others with questions to come to one of the forums on
November 8th: at 8am in the town offices or at 7pm on Zoom (registration:
https://us06web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZ0lcuuqqj8uGtFZbgFL3Ghr2zR5oH5ZdaVF).


Margaret

On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 8:52 AM Michael Dembowski 
wrote:

> At what point does any town official respond to David's critique? - a
> response is needed whether by special meeting or thru LT.
> At risk is *any* community faith in the process that already seems
> fractured.
> Dialogue is welcome - whether it be acknowledgement of errors, a response
> to each point made, or even an extended invite to David to formally join
> HCAWG.
> Michael Dembowski
> Conant Road
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 8:09 AM Susanna Szeto  wrote:
>
>> Good questions Karla!  We need someone to ask these questions at the
>> board meeting!  WHO will do it?
>>
>> Susanna
>>
>> On Oct 27, 2023, at 6:02 AM, Karla Gravis  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> There are a lot of details here (which I encourage everyone to read) but
>> 3 very important questions require answers:
>>
>>
>>- Why did we submit 18 more acres in parcels to the State than what
>>was approved by town boards for Option C?
>>- Why are we unnecessarily zoning Lincoln Woods to a much higher
>>number of units than we have currently, thus creating an incentive for TCB
>>or another developer to come in and rebuild? The current affordability
>>requirement ends in 2032.
>>- Why are we including so many parcels that give us no compliance
>>credit with the State but enable developers to build many more units than
>>is required for compliance?
>>
>> Karla
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> -- Forwarded message -
>>> From: ٍSarah Postlethwait 
>>> Date: Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 13:16
>>> Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] Inaccuracies in rezoning proposals submitted
>>> to the State
>>> To: David Cuetos 
>>> CC: Lincoln Talk 
>>>
>>>
>>> It’s concerning that we are paying Utile at least $20k to come up with
>>> these proposals on the town’s behalf and they have submitted it with this
>>> many inaccuracies.
>>> What is also is concerning is that, according to the minutes page, the
>>> HCAWG has not had a working meeting since the end of August- right after
>>> the guideline changes were announced and before option C was formed. No
>>> meetings were held in September and the two October meetings were multi
>>> board meeting presentations.
>>>
>>> *Is the full HCAWG reviewing the current proposals and what is being
>>> submitted to the state?*
>>>
>>> Including an additional 18 acres of land in the state proposal that has
>>> not been presented to the town and the Select board and planning board is
>>> unacceptable.
>>>
>>> *The HCAWG needs disbanded for the following reasons:*
>>>  •2 members are representing the best interest of the RLF LLC (aka
>>> trying to get the highest density possible allowed by right so they can
>>> sell the property to Civico for more money).
>>> •The proposals presented to the town all include unnecessary land that
>>> does not count towards the HCA compliance target.
>>> •Option C has been submitted to the state with this many inconsistencies
>>> that has been pointed out by David, and 18 acres of land being added that
>>> were not approved by the Select board or Planning board or the town.
>>> •The Open meeting law has been violated numerous times by the HCAWG; and
>>> a meeting mentioned in the select board minutes is missing from the HCAWG
>>> minutes page entirely.
>>>
>>>
>>> Better ways to comply with the HCA have been proposed. Stop rushing to
>>> get a RLF centric rezoning passed and get a better Working group in place.
>>>
>>> *This rezoning is going to shape the future decades of Lincoln- let’s do
>>> it thoughtfully and purposefully. *
>>>
>>>
>>> Sarah Postlethwait
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 10:37 AM David Cuetos 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 *Executive Summary:*


- I identified a series of 

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The Lincoln Democrat Town Committee is sponsoring a meeting on Hanscom
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[Dagmar Guthke]

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> On Oct 28, 2023, at 2:42 PM, Carol Bickford via Lincoln 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thank you Colleen.
> 
> I am late to learning about all these options and I was wondering:  Do 
> currently occupied units count?
> 
> It seems that would take a lot of pressure off?  Or is this housing already 
> in the current proposals?
> 
> Also,  by “The Commons” are you (and many others) referring to the 
> independent and assisted living facility, The Commons in Lincoln? Or 
> Minuteman Commons which is close to Battle Farm Road?
> 
> Carol Bickford 
> Virginia Rd
> 
>>> On Oct 28, 2023, at 1:40 PM, Colleen Katsuki  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> The discussion about the HCA needs some clarification as to why some folks 
>> are upset with this process. The HCAWG has given the town proposals that 
>> only include large new buildings in the center of town. Initially that was 
>> because the law required 100% of the new housing to be near the commuter 
>> rail. But then the guidelines changed. Now Lincoln and other towns only have 
>> to have 20% by an enclosed bus station or near the commuter rail. At 
>> present, building  20% near the enclosed bus station at Hanscom, some at 
>> Battle Farm Road and some at the Commons would completely fulfill the letter 
>> of the law. The bus there is cheaper and runs on time and is more frequent 
>> than the commuter rail. But HCAWG has not given us any option like that. I 
>> understand why some folks think that building only in the center of town is 
>> the right thing but I do not agree  with them. I would like to have another 
>> choice on which to vote in which the build out is not in the center of town. 
>> Is it not called the Housing Choice Act for a reason ?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Colleen Katsuki
>> 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Inaccuracies in rezoning proposals submitted to the State

[Bijoy Misra]

Open meeting violation is one thing, but more troublesome is the statement
that we know because we are in the business of managing the town.  I did
object and then the "powerbase" started calling me names to oust me.
Sarah P and David C and others are trying  this time.  The same vague
response will continue.  It is a competition between the lobbyists and the
tax-payers. It is the state of the town of Lincoln in the 2000's.
I took residence here in 2004 appreciating the green in the town. The
Planning
Board has no planners, they don't produce any original documents.  We
do need housing and we should also respond to the general population.
But we must deliberate and take public concerns into account.  The
town should release itself from the developers' control.
Regards,
Bijoy Misra


‪On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 8:24 AM ‫ٍSarah Postlethwait‬‎ 
wrote:‬

> Many of us still recall the SLIPIC committee and their numerous open
> meeting law violations.
> Then it was renamed SLIPAC.
> Now HCAWG.
>
> All groups had the same mission.
> And the open meeting law violations continue…
> Only difference is that this one has the (unnecessary) urgency of the HCA
> to push its agenda (and civico’s wish list).
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 8:17 AM Bijoy Misra  wrote:
>
>> I am amazed that no one is speaking a word about the fiasco in the
>> previous incarnation of this construction project.  The outfit was called
>> SLIP South Lincoln Improvement Project.  The public meeting might
>> have been 2019 Spring.  I don't know how they folded.  I had to quit.
>> Do people recall?
>> Bijoy Misra
>>
>> ‪On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 5:59 PM ‫ٍSarah Postlethwait‬‎ 
>> wrote:‬
>>
>>> Peter-
>>> 100% agree with all of your points, and I support your nomination of
>>> David to the HCAWG.
>>>
>>> In fact- on Monday when I spoke to Jennifer Glass *The Select board
>>> representative on the HCAWG*, she thought the modeled density was the
>>> Maximum units allowed.
>>>
>>> Paula corrected this on Tuesday’s meeting and confirmed that developers
>>> are NOT limited by the modeled density. The gross density (entire number of
>>> acres multiplied by the maximum number of units permitted in that
>>> Subdistrict) plus setbacks and height restrictions is what a developer is
>>> limited to.
>>>
>>> Also, the mall/village center actually has 42’ height restrictions
>>> instead of 36’ in other subdistricts.
>>>
>>> Sarah Postlethwait
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 3:58 PM Peter Buchthal 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I believe I speak for many residents that we are all concerned with not
 just the problems of our state submission, but with the process, and
 messaging of the HCAWG.

 1) How 18 extra acres of lots were included in our submission to the
 State without anyone on the HCAWG, Town Administration or Util Consultants
 checking the work.

 2)* I believe few people in the town understand (I know I didn't until
 David's email), that unless we are careful, builders will be able build by
 right (without Town approval) up to the maximum number of units which is
 total acres including wetlands multiplied by the density factor. * So,
 even though Lincoln Woods has just 7 buildable acres, a developer would be
 able to build 400+ units (20 acres multiplied by 20 Units per Acre (density
 in Option C)).  Granted, it may be difficult to build that many, but any
 new buildings could be built up to 36 feet tall, which would allow three
 floors and parking could be below ground or on the ground floor with two or
 three floors above.   So, I have learned the modelled number of units is
 NOT a maximum but a calculated number that should be used for HCA
 compliance purposes only.

 *3) I would like the HCAWG to invite David Cuetos to be a member of the
 group to make sure the public is well informed and the submissions are
 correct.  A healthy debate will only lead to better outcomes for everyone
 in the town.  *

 Best,

 Peter Buchthal
 Weston Rd

 On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 8:11 AM Susanna Szeto 
 wrote:

> Good questions Karla!  We need someone to ask these questions at the
> board meeting!  WHO will do it?
>
> Susanna
>
> On Oct 27, 2023, at 6:02 AM, Karla Gravis 
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> There are a lot of details here (which I encourage everyone to read)
> but 3 very important questions require answers:
>
>
>- Why did we submit 18 more acres in parcels to the State than
>what was approved by town boards for Option C?
>- Why are we unnecessarily zoning Lincoln Woods to a much higher
>number of units than we have currently, thus creating an incentive for 
> TCB
>or another developer to come in and rebuild? The current affordability
>requirement ends in 2032.
>- Why are we including so many parcels that give us no compliance
>c

[LincolnTalk] Tai chi

[Garrick Niemiec]

A group of us would like to participate in tai chi.

Please forward recommendations and if other folks are interested in joining
let me know
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Re: [LincolnTalk] tweedlededum and tweedlededee

[Garrick Niemiec]

I couldn't agree more

On Sat, Oct 28, 2023, 1:40 PM Colleen Katsuki 
wrote:

> The discussion about the HCA needs some clarification as to why some folks
> are upset with this process. The HCAWG has given the town proposals that
> only include large new buildings in the center of town. Initially that was
> because the law required 100% of the new housing to be near the commuter
> rail. But then the guidelines changed. Now Lincoln and other towns only
> have to have 20% by an enclosed bus station or near the commuter rail. At
> present, building  20% near the enclosed bus station at Hanscom, some at
> Battle Farm Road and some at the Commons *would completely fulfill* t*he
> letter of the law.* The bus there is cheaper and runs on time and is more
> frequent than the commuter rail. But HCAWG has not given us any option like
> that. I understand why some folks think that building only in the center of
> town is the right thing but I do not agree  with them. I would like to have
> another choice on which to vote in which the build out is not in the center
> of town. Is it not called the Housing Choice Act for a reason ?
>
>
>
> Colleen Katsuki
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Re: [LincolnTalk] tweedlededum and tweedlededee

[Don Seltzer]

On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 9:32 PM ‫ٍSarah Postlethwait‬‎ 
wrote:‬

> The Commons refers to the assisted living/55+ community. It is about 30
> acres of land and no wetlands, so it is ideal to rezone for the HCA.
>

Please note what the actual Law states:

*... district of reasonable size in which multi-family housing is permitted
as of right; provided, however, that such multi-family housing shall be
without age restrictions and shall be suitable for families with children. *
Add in the lack of any T service, it would be a stretch of the imagination
to believe that EOHLC would accept such a plan as compliant with the law.

Don Seltzer
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Re: [LincolnTalk] tweedlededum and tweedlededee

[Don Seltzer]

Do not confuse the letter of the law with the wretched guidelines imposed
by the agency formerly known as DHCD.
The letter of the law is clear; within a half mile of a rapid transit
subway or commuter rail station.

Don Seltzer

On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 1:40 PM Colleen Katsuki 
wrote:

> The discussion about the HCA needs some clarification as to why some folks
> are upset with this process. The HCAWG has given the town proposals that
> only include large new buildings in the center of town. Initially that was
> because the law required 100% of the new housing to be near the commuter
> rail. But then the guidelines changed. Now Lincoln and other towns only
> have to have 20% by an enclosed bus station or near the commuter rail. At
> present, building  20% near the enclosed bus station at Hanscom, some at
> Battle Farm Road and some at the Commons *would completely fulfill* t*he
> letter of the law.* The bus there is cheaper and runs on time and is more
> frequent than the commuter rail. But HCAWG has not given us any option like
> that. I understand why some folks think that building only in the center of
> town is the right thing but I do not agree  with them. I would like to have
> another choice on which to vote in which the build out is not in the center
> of town. Is it not called the Housing Choice Act for a reason ?
>
>
>
> Colleen Katsuki
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