Re: [LincolnTalk] question: can anyone tell me

[Carol Bickford via Lincoln]




> On Apr 26, 2024, at 4:08 PM, K Mierz via Lincoln  
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> 
> the names of the guys in the band -
> the nays?
> 
> thanks
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Re: [LincolnTalk] question: can anyone tell me

[Scott Clary]

I don't think they'd mind being named. They founded the band in the late
seventies in Lincoln. They're not kids.

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On Fri, Apr 26, 2024, 7:14 PM JEF LARS  wrote:

> His friends in Lincoln? I’m not sure if everyone is ok to have their names
> mentioned publicly.
>
> If you just say their names on Sunday, that’s fine but written down may
> make some parents uncomfortable - I learned lincoln folks like privacy.
>
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2024 at 4:08 PM K Mierz via Lincoln <
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>> the nays?
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Re: [LincolnTalk] question: can anyone tell me

[JEF LARS]

His friends in Lincoln? I’m not sure if everyone is ok to have their names
mentioned publicly.

If you just say their names on Sunday, that’s fine but written down may
make some parents uncomfortable - I learned lincoln folks like privacy.

On Fri, Apr 26, 2024 at 4:08 PM K Mierz via Lincoln 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] question

[Adam M Hogue]

Sara that is so easy to fix we have been talking about this forever we can make updates and change stuff before the vote happens through forums and debate.  Then the final votes are done via ballot.  Other states do this. Be open to change and be a little progressive so everyone has a vote. Adam M HogueCell: (978) 828-6184On Dec 1, 2023, at 11:09 PM, Sasha Golden  wrote:So the seriously disabled, medically frail, and immune-compromised don't deserve democracy, then? OK, then.On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 12:54 PM Adam M Hogue  wrote:Well Sara, you can also have direct democracy on the ballot with early voting and absentee voting.  Just saying. Adam M HogueCell: (978) 828-6184On Dec 1, 2023, at 12:50 PM, Sara Mattes  wrote:This is the law in most towns in New England.Every registered voter has an opportunity to vote on all issues, but you must be present and counted.The alternative is to turn that opportunity to elected officials to make all decisions.If that a more open, democratic way.I chose the former where I have a chance to participate in direct democracy rather than handing my vote to a second party.SaraSent from my iPhoneOn Dec 1, 2023, at 12:43 PM, Adam M Hogue  wrote:Unfortunately they can’t vote.  Our voting laws in this town do not allow for all voices to be heard and do not allow equal access to voting. Adam M HogueCell: (978) 828-6184On Dec 1, 2023, at 12:27 PM, Terri via Lincoln  wrote:Hello Friends,Does anyone know how residents such as the  elderly or disabled are able to vote tomorrow? I am pretty sure we can all agreetheir voices are most important.  I see the question was asked several times here on LT.but no answer. I do not see it on  Town Web site (?) Thank you,Terri K-- The LincolnTalk mailing list.To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org.Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/.Change your subscription settings at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln.-- The LincolnTalk mailing list.To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org.Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/.Change your subscription settings at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln.-- 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] question

[Sasha Golden]

So the seriously disabled, medically frail, and immune-compromised don't
deserve democracy, then?

OK, then.

On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 12:54 PM Adam M Hogue  wrote:

> Well Sara, you can also have direct democracy on the ballot with early
> voting and absentee voting.  Just saying.
>
> *Adam M Hogue*
> *Cell: **(978) 828-6184 <(978)%20828-6184>*
>
> On Dec 1, 2023, at 12:50 PM, Sara Mattes  wrote:
>
> This is the law in most towns in New England.
> Every registered voter has an opportunity to vote on all issues, but you
> must be present and counted.
> The alternative is to turn that opportunity to elected officials to make
> all decisions.
> If that a more open, democratic way.
> I chose the former where I have a chance to participate in direct
> democracy rather than handing my vote to a second party.
> Sara
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 1, 2023, at 12:43 PM, Adam M Hogue  wrote:
>
> Unfortunately they can’t vote.  Our voting laws in this town do not allow
> for all voices to be heard and do not allow equal access to voting.
>
> *Adam M Hogue*
> *Cell: **(978) 828-6184 <(978)%20828-6184>*
>
> On Dec 1, 2023, at 12:27 PM, Terri via Lincoln 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Hello Friends,
>
> Does anyone know how residents such as the  elderly or disabled are able
> to vote tomorrow?
> I am pretty sure we can all agreetheir voices are most important.
>
> I see the question was asked several times here on LT.but no answer.
> I do not see it on  Town Web site (?)
>
> Thank you,
> Terri K
>
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] question

[Anne Warner]

The fundamental representational issue here is whether the questions being considered should be decided at town meeting or via some kind of written ballot that everyone can participate in. Despite many people’s belief in the town meeting system (including mine), this particular set of options concern all of us, and not all of us can attend town meeting (including me). I would recommend that someone propose at the town meeting itself that the decision should be made not by the meeting itself, but via town wide ballot. My hope is that such a measure would pass, and put all of our minds at ease. - Sent from iPhone. Typed by thumb. Excuse misspellings! On Dec 1, 2023, at 3:45 PM, Iwona Pawlikowska via Lincoln  wrote:I totally agree. Not everyone can be for the Saturday meeting from 9:00am-3:00pm. On Dec 1, 2023, at 1:47 PM, Kathleen Lomatoski  wrote:A resident reached out to town leaders several weeks ago about Town Meeting and ADA compliance. I am not sure the final outcome. I believe the town leaders were consulting with the legal team. Kathleen Lomatoski klomato...@gmail.comOn Dec 1, 2023, at 1:27 PM, Margo Fisher-Martin  wrote:Exactly!On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 1:16 PM Sasha Golden  wrote:There's an ADA issue...On Fri, Dec 1, 2023, 12:44 PM Adam M Hogue  wrote:Unfortunately they can’t vote.  Our voting laws in this town do not allow for all voices to be heard and do not allow equal access to voting. Adam M HogueCell: (978) 828-6184On Dec 1, 2023, at 12:27 PM, Terri via Lincoln  wrote:Hello Friends,Does anyone know how residents such as the  elderly or disabled are able to vote tomorrow? I am pretty sure we can all agreetheir voices are most important.  I see the question was asked several times here on LT.but no answer. I do not see it on  Town Web site (?) Thank you,Terri K-- The LincolnTalk mailing list.To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org.Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/.Change your subscription settings at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln.-- 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] question

[Anne Warner]

Completely agree with Virginia on this!!

On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 1:26 PM Virginia Goodwin 
wrote:

> Literally the point is, NOT every registered voter has an "opportunity" to
> vote, when that "opportunity" is contingent upon physically being at a
> certain location on one single specific day for an unspecified (but
> extremely long) amount of time. Besides being highly discriminatory against
> people who are just busy or have other calls on their time, this is also a
> disability rights issue, for people like the original writer's mother, who
> cannot physically gut it out in the auditorium for hours and hours.
>
> As Adam says, an extended period of paper ballots, gods forbid possibly
> including mail-in ballots, so people can vote from the comfort of their own
> homes when they have time, gives many more people a *real* opportunity to
> participate in the vote than our current system.
>
> We have way better technology now than they did in the past. We have paved
> roads, gas-powered vehicles, reliable mail service, cheap printing, and the
> joys of the internet. We should embrace those technologies to expand real
> access to town voting to as many registered voters as possible.
>
> Virginia Goodwin
>
> On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 12:54 PM Adam M Hogue 
> wrote:
>
>> Well Sara, you can also have direct democracy on the ballot with early
>> voting and absentee voting.  Just saying.
>>
>> *Adam M Hogue*
>> *Cell: **(978) 828-6184 <(978)%20828-6184>*
>>
>> On Dec 1, 2023, at 12:50 PM, Sara Mattes  wrote:
>>
>> This is the law in most towns in New England.
>> Every registered voter has an opportunity to vote on all issues, but you
>> must be present and counted.
>> The alternative is to turn that opportunity to elected officials to make
>> all decisions.
>> If that a more open, democratic way.
>> I chose the former where I have a chance to participate in direct
>> democracy rather than handing my vote to a second party.
>> Sara
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 1, 2023, at 12:43 PM, Adam M Hogue  wrote:
>>
>> Unfortunately they can’t vote.  Our voting laws in this town do not
>> allow for all voices to be heard and do not allow equal access to voting.
>>
>> *Adam M Hogue*
>> *Cell: **(978) 828-6184 <(978)%20828-6184>*
>>
>> On Dec 1, 2023, at 12:27 PM, Terri via Lincoln 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Hello Friends,
>>
>> Does anyone know how residents such as the  elderly or disabled are able
>> to vote tomorrow?
>> I am pretty sure we can all agreetheir voices are most important.
>>
>> I see the question was asked several times here on LT.but no answer.
>> I do not see it on  Town Web site (?)
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Terri K
>>
>>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] question

[Iwona Pawlikowska via Lincoln]

I totally agree. Not everyone can be for the Saturday meeting from 9:00am-3:00pm. On Dec 1, 2023, at 1:47 PM, Kathleen Lomatoski  wrote:A resident reached out to town leaders several weeks ago about Town Meeting and ADA compliance. I am not sure the final outcome. I believe the town leaders were consulting with the legal team. Kathleen Lomatoski klomato...@gmail.comOn Dec 1, 2023, at 1:27 PM, Margo Fisher-Martin  wrote:Exactly!On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 1:16 PM Sasha Golden  wrote:There's an ADA issue...On Fri, Dec 1, 2023, 12:44 PM Adam M Hogue  wrote:Unfortunately they can’t vote.  Our voting laws in this town do not allow for all voices to be heard and do not allow equal access to voting. Adam M HogueCell: (978) 828-6184On Dec 1, 2023, at 12:27 PM, Terri via Lincoln  wrote:Hello Friends,Does anyone know how residents such as the  elderly or disabled are able to vote tomorrow? I am pretty sure we can all agreetheir voices are most important.  I see the question was asked several times here on LT.but no answer. I do not see it on  Town Web site (?) Thank you,Terri K-- The LincolnTalk mailing list.To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org.Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/.Change your subscription settings at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln.-- 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] question

[Lis Herbert]

One obvious solution that seems like it should be manageable for tomorrow at least would be to allow people to cast their paper ballots as soon as they have checked in and filled them out. I know what I’m voting for, and since those paper ballots aren’t going to be modified during the discussion period, I can’t imagine why we can’t vote right off the bat. It would at least give people a window in the morning to participate.Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 1, 2023, at 1:51 PM, Sara R via Lincoln  wrote:Agree Virginia and Adam!  How do we support making this change.Sara BrownSent from my iPhoneOn Dec 1, 2023, at 1:24 PM, Virginia Goodwin  wrote:Literally the point is, NOT every registered voter has an "opportunity" to vote, when that "opportunity" is contingent upon physically being at a certain location on one single specific day for an unspecified (but extremely long) amount of time. Besides being highly discriminatory against people who are just busy or have other calls on their time, this is also a disability rights issue, for people like the original writer's mother, who cannot physically gut it out in the auditorium for hours and hours.As Adam says, an extended period of paper ballots, gods forbid possibly including mail-in ballots, so people can vote from the comfort of their own homes when they have time, gives many more people a real opportunity to participate in the vote than our current system.We have way better technology now than they did in the past. We have paved roads, gas-powered vehicles, reliable mail service, cheap printing, and the joys of the internet. We should embrace those technologies to expand real access to town voting to as many registered voters as possible.Virginia GoodwinOn Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 12:54 PM Adam M Hogue  wrote:Well Sara, you can also have direct democracy on the ballot with early voting and absentee voting.  Just saying. Adam M HogueCell: (978) 828-6184On Dec 1, 2023, at 12:50 PM, Sara Mattes  wrote:This is the law in most towns in New England.Every registered voter has an opportunity to vote on all issues, but you must be present and counted.The alternative is to turn that opportunity to elected officials to make all decisions.If that a more open, democratic way.I chose the former where I have a chance to participate in direct democracy rather than handing my vote to a second party.SaraSent from my iPhoneOn Dec 1, 2023, at 12:43 PM, Adam M Hogue  wrote:Unfortunately they can’t vote.  Our voting laws in this town do not allow for all voices to be heard and do not allow equal access to voting. Adam M HogueCell: (978) 828-6184On Dec 1, 2023, at 12:27 PM, Terri via Lincoln  wrote:Hello Friends,Does anyone know how residents such as the  elderly or disabled are able to vote tomorrow? I am pretty sure we can all agreetheir voices are most important.  I see the question was asked several times here on LT.but no answer. I do not see it on  Town Web site (?) Thank you,Terri K-- The LincolnTalk mailing list.To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org.Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/.Change your subscription settings at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln.-- The LincolnTalk mailing list.To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org.Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/.Change your subscription settings at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln.-- 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] question

[Debra Daugherty]

That's a pretty awesome idea.

On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 2:36 PM Caitlin Hogue 
wrote:

> So why can't a vote happen after town meeting that incorporates whatever
> amendments get added? Why must it occur during town meeting?
>
> On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 2:24 PM Andrew Payne  wrote:
>
>>
>> Adam wrote:
>>
>> Well Sara, you can also have direct democracy on the ballot with early
>>> voting and absentee voting.  Just saying.
>>>
>>
>> The challenge with open town meeting and early/absentee voting has always
>> been:  whatever is being voted can be amended on the fly by resident vote
>> at the town meeting.
>>
>> You submit your early/absentee vote for option "Q", and you later find
>> that after *vigorous* debate at TM, Q was amended to include (say) a
>> heliport for coal-powered helicopters, or a town-wide pneumatic tube system.
>>
>> One "see most of you tomorrow" resident's view,
>>
>> -andy
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Re: [LincolnTalk] question

[Caitlin Hogue]

So why can't a vote happen after town meeting that incorporates whatever
amendments get added? Why must it occur during town meeting?

On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 2:24 PM Andrew Payne  wrote:

>
> Adam wrote:
>
> Well Sara, you can also have direct democracy on the ballot with early
>> voting and absentee voting.  Just saying.
>>
>
> The challenge with open town meeting and early/absentee voting has always
> been:  whatever is being voted can be amended on the fly by resident vote
> at the town meeting.
>
> You submit your early/absentee vote for option "Q", and you later find
> that after *vigorous* debate at TM, Q was amended to include (say) a
> heliport for coal-powered helicopters, or a town-wide pneumatic tube system.
>
> One "see most of you tomorrow" resident's view,
>
> -andy
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Re: [LincolnTalk] question

[Andrew Payne]

Adam wrote:

Well Sara, you can also have direct democracy on the ballot with early
> voting and absentee voting.  Just saying.
>

The challenge with open town meeting and early/absentee voting has always
been:  whatever is being voted can be amended on the fly by resident vote
at the town meeting.

You submit your early/absentee vote for option "Q", and you later find that
after *vigorous* debate at TM, Q was amended to include (say) a heliport
for coal-powered helicopters, or a town-wide pneumatic tube system.

One "see most of you tomorrow" resident's view,

-andy
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Re: [LincolnTalk] question

[Sara R via Lincoln]

Agree Virginia and Adam!  How do we support making this change.Sara BrownSent from my iPhoneOn Dec 1, 2023, at 1:24 PM, Virginia Goodwin  wrote:Literally the point is, NOT every registered voter has an "opportunity" to vote, when that "opportunity" is contingent upon physically being at a certain location on one single specific day for an unspecified (but extremely long) amount of time. Besides being highly discriminatory against people who are just busy or have other calls on their time, this is also a disability rights issue, for people like the original writer's mother, who cannot physically gut it out in the auditorium for hours and hours.As Adam says, an extended period of paper ballots, gods forbid possibly including mail-in ballots, so people can vote from the comfort of their own homes when they have time, gives many more people a real opportunity to participate in the vote than our current system.We have way better technology now than they did in the past. We have paved roads, gas-powered vehicles, reliable mail service, cheap printing, and the joys of the internet. We should embrace those technologies to expand real access to town voting to as many registered voters as possible.Virginia GoodwinOn Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 12:54 PM Adam M Hogue  wrote:Well Sara, you can also have direct democracy on the ballot with early voting and absentee voting.  Just saying. Adam M HogueCell: (978) 828-6184On Dec 1, 2023, at 12:50 PM, Sara Mattes  wrote:This is the law in most towns in New England.Every registered voter has an opportunity to vote on all issues, but you must be present and counted.The alternative is to turn that opportunity to elected officials to make all decisions.If that a more open, democratic way.I chose the former where I have a chance to participate in direct democracy rather than handing my vote to a second party.SaraSent from my iPhoneOn Dec 1, 2023, at 12:43 PM, Adam M Hogue  wrote:Unfortunately they can’t vote.  Our voting laws in this town do not allow for all voices to be heard and do not allow equal access to voting. Adam M HogueCell: (978) 828-6184On Dec 1, 2023, at 12:27 PM, Terri via Lincoln  wrote:Hello Friends,Does anyone know how residents such as the  elderly or disabled are able to vote tomorrow? I am pretty sure we can all agreetheir voices are most important.  I see the question was asked several times here on LT.but no answer. I do not see it on  Town Web site (?) Thank you,Terri K-- The LincolnTalk mailing list.To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org.Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/.Change your subscription settings at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln.-- The LincolnTalk mailing list.To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org.Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/.Change your subscription settings at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln.-- 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] question

[Kathleen Lomatoski]

A resident reached out to town leaders several weeks ago about Town Meeting and ADA compliance. I am not sure the final outcome. I believe the town leaders were consulting with the legal team. Kathleen Lomatoski klomato...@gmail.comOn Dec 1, 2023, at 1:27 PM, Margo Fisher-Martin  wrote:Exactly!On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 1:16 PM Sasha Golden  wrote:There's an ADA issue...On Fri, Dec 1, 2023, 12:44 PM Adam M Hogue  wrote:Unfortunately they can’t vote.  Our voting laws in this town do not allow for all voices to be heard and do not allow equal access to voting. Adam M HogueCell: (978) 828-6184On Dec 1, 2023, at 12:27 PM, Terri via Lincoln  wrote:Hello Friends,Does anyone know how residents such as the  elderly or disabled are able to vote tomorrow? I am pretty sure we can all agreetheir voices are most important.  I see the question was asked several times here on LT.but no answer. I do not see it on  Town Web site (?) Thank you,Terri K-- The LincolnTalk mailing list.To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org.Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/.Change your subscription settings at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln.-- 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] question

[Margaret Olson]

Massachusetts law also supports representative town meeting. This still
maintains the exchange of ideas and the structure of town meeting, but each
town meeting member is elected by their neighborhood.

On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 1:29 PM Adam M Hogue  wrote:

> Exactly Virginia, having debate and open forums, Lincoln talks we have
> debated.  Using ballots opens it up to more people and it becomes more
> democratic.
>
>
> *Adam M Hogue*
> *Cell: **(978) 828-6184 <(978)%20828-6184>*
>
> On Dec 1, 2023, at 1:24 PM, Virginia Goodwin 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Literally the point is, NOT every registered voter has an "opportunity" to
> vote, when that "opportunity" is contingent upon physically being at a
> certain location on one single specific day for an unspecified (but
> extremely long) amount of time. Besides being highly discriminatory against
> people who are just busy or have other calls on their time, this is also a
> disability rights issue, for people like the original writer's mother, who
> cannot physically gut it out in the auditorium for hours and hours.
>
> As Adam says, an extended period of paper ballots, gods forbid possibly
> including mail-in ballots, so people can vote from the comfort of their own
> homes when they have time, gives many more people a *real* opportunity to
> participate in the vote than our current system.
>
> We have way better technology now than they did in the past. We have paved
> roads, gas-powered vehicles, reliable mail service, cheap printing, and the
> joys of the internet. We should embrace those technologies to expand real
> access to town voting to as many registered voters as possible.
>
> Virginia Goodwin
>
> On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 12:54 PM Adam M Hogue 
> wrote:
>
>> Well Sara, you can also have direct democracy on the ballot with early
>> voting and absentee voting.  Just saying.
>>
>> *Adam M Hogue*
>> *Cell: **(978) 828-6184 <(978)%20828-6184>*
>>
>> On Dec 1, 2023, at 12:50 PM, Sara Mattes  wrote:
>>
>> This is the law in most towns in New England.
>> Every registered voter has an opportunity to vote on all issues, but you
>> must be present and counted.
>> The alternative is to turn that opportunity to elected officials to make
>> all decisions.
>> If that a more open, democratic way.
>> I chose the former where I have a chance to participate in direct
>> democracy rather than handing my vote to a second party.
>> Sara
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 1, 2023, at 12:43 PM, Adam M Hogue  wrote:
>>
>> Unfortunately they can’t vote.  Our voting laws in this town do not
>> allow for all voices to be heard and do not allow equal access to voting.
>>
>> *Adam M Hogue*
>> *Cell: **(978) 828-6184 <(978)%20828-6184>*
>>
>> On Dec 1, 2023, at 12:27 PM, Terri via Lincoln 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Hello Friends,
>>
>> Does anyone know how residents such as the  elderly or disabled are able
>> to vote tomorrow?
>> I am pretty sure we can all agreetheir voices are most important.
>>
>> I see the question was asked several times here on LT.but no answer.
>> I do not see it on  Town Web site (?)
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Terri K
>>
>>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] question

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Exactly Virginia, having debate and open forums, Lincoln talks we have debated.  Using ballots opens it up to more people and it becomes more democratic. Adam M HogueCell: (978) 828-6184On Dec 1, 2023, at 1:24 PM, Virginia Goodwin  wrote:Literally the point is, NOT every registered voter has an "opportunity" to vote, when that "opportunity" is contingent upon physically being at a certain location on one single specific day for an unspecified (but extremely long) amount of time. Besides being highly discriminatory against people who are just busy or have other calls on their time, this is also a disability rights issue, for people like the original writer's mother, who cannot physically gut it out in the auditorium for hours and hours.As Adam says, an extended period of paper ballots, gods forbid possibly including mail-in ballots, so people can vote from the comfort of their own homes when they have time, gives many more people a real opportunity to participate in the vote than our current system.We have way better technology now than they did in the past. We have paved roads, gas-powered vehicles, reliable mail service, cheap printing, and the joys of the internet. We should embrace those technologies to expand real access to town voting to as many registered voters as possible.Virginia GoodwinOn Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 12:54 PM Adam M Hogue  wrote:Well Sara, you can also have direct democracy on the ballot with early voting and absentee voting.  Just saying. Adam M HogueCell: (978) 828-6184On Dec 1, 2023, at 12:50 PM, Sara Mattes  wrote:This is the law in most towns in New England.Every registered voter has an opportunity to vote on all issues, but you must be present and counted.The alternative is to turn that opportunity to elected officials to make all decisions.If that a more open, democratic way.I chose the former where I have a chance to participate in direct democracy rather than handing my vote to a second party.SaraSent from my iPhoneOn Dec 1, 2023, at 12:43 PM, Adam M Hogue  wrote:Unfortunately they can’t vote.  Our voting laws in this town do not allow for all voices to be heard and do not allow equal access to voting. Adam M HogueCell: (978) 828-6184On Dec 1, 2023, at 12:27 PM, Terri via Lincoln  wrote:Hello Friends,Does anyone know how residents such as the  elderly or disabled are able to vote tomorrow? I am pretty sure we can all agreetheir voices are most important.  I see the question was asked several times here on LT.but no answer. I do not see it on  Town Web site (?) Thank you,Terri K-- The LincolnTalk mailing list.To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org.Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/.Change your subscription settings at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln.-- The LincolnTalk mailing list.To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org.Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/.Change your subscription settings at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln.-- 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] question

[Robert Ahlert]

I agree with Virginia and Adam on this one.

I know Andy Wang has some good ideas on this topic as well

Rob

On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 1:25 PM Virginia Goodwin 
wrote:

> Literally the point is, NOT every registered voter has an "opportunity" to
> vote, when that "opportunity" is contingent upon physically being at a
> certain location on one single specific day for an unspecified (but
> extremely long) amount of time. Besides being highly discriminatory against
> people who are just busy or have other calls on their time, this is also a
> disability rights issue, for people like the original writer's mother, who
> cannot physically gut it out in the auditorium for hours and hours.
>
> As Adam says, an extended period of paper ballots, gods forbid possibly
> including mail-in ballots, so people can vote from the comfort of their own
> homes when they have time, gives many more people a *real* opportunity to
> participate in the vote than our current system.
>
> We have way better technology now than they did in the past. We have paved
> roads, gas-powered vehicles, reliable mail service, cheap printing, and the
> joys of the internet. We should embrace those technologies to expand real
> access to town voting to as many registered voters as possible.
>
> Virginia Goodwin
>
> On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 12:54 PM Adam M Hogue 
> wrote:
>
>> Well Sara, you can also have direct democracy on the ballot with early
>> voting and absentee voting.  Just saying.
>>
>> *Adam M Hogue*
>> *Cell: **(978) 828-6184 <(978)%20828-6184>*
>>
>> On Dec 1, 2023, at 12:50 PM, Sara Mattes  wrote:
>>
>> This is the law in most towns in New England.
>> Every registered voter has an opportunity to vote on all issues, but you
>> must be present and counted.
>> The alternative is to turn that opportunity to elected officials to make
>> all decisions.
>> If that a more open, democratic way.
>> I chose the former where I have a chance to participate in direct
>> democracy rather than handing my vote to a second party.
>> Sara
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 1, 2023, at 12:43 PM, Adam M Hogue  wrote:
>>
>> Unfortunately they can’t vote.  Our voting laws in this town do not
>> allow for all voices to be heard and do not allow equal access to voting.
>>
>> *Adam M Hogue*
>> *Cell: **(978) 828-6184 <(978)%20828-6184>*
>>
>> On Dec 1, 2023, at 12:27 PM, Terri via Lincoln 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Hello Friends,
>>
>> Does anyone know how residents such as the  elderly or disabled are able
>> to vote tomorrow?
>> I am pretty sure we can all agreetheir voices are most important.
>>
>> I see the question was asked several times here on LT.but no answer.
>> I do not see it on  Town Web site (?)
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Terri K
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] question

[Margo Fisher-Martin]

Exactly!

On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 1:16 PM Sasha Golden  wrote:

> There's an ADA issue...
>
> On Fri, Dec 1, 2023, 12:44 PM Adam M Hogue  wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately they can’t vote.  Our voting laws in this town do not allow
>> for all voices to be heard and do not allow equal access to voting.
>>
>> *Adam M Hogue*
>> *Cell: **(978) 828-6184 <(978)%20828-6184>*
>>
>> On Dec 1, 2023, at 12:27 PM, Terri via Lincoln 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Hello Friends,
>>
>> Does anyone know how residents such as the  elderly or disabled are able
>> to vote tomorrow?
>> I am pretty sure we can all agreetheir voices are most important.
>>
>> I see the question was asked several times here on LT.but no answer.
>> I do not see it on  Town Web site (?)
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Terri K
>>
>>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] question

[Virginia Goodwin]

Literally the point is, NOT every registered voter has an "opportunity" to
vote, when that "opportunity" is contingent upon physically being at a
certain location on one single specific day for an unspecified (but
extremely long) amount of time. Besides being highly discriminatory against
people who are just busy or have other calls on their time, this is also a
disability rights issue, for people like the original writer's mother, who
cannot physically gut it out in the auditorium for hours and hours.

As Adam says, an extended period of paper ballots, gods forbid possibly
including mail-in ballots, so people can vote from the comfort of their own
homes when they have time, gives many more people a *real* opportunity to
participate in the vote than our current system.

We have way better technology now than they did in the past. We have paved
roads, gas-powered vehicles, reliable mail service, cheap printing, and the
joys of the internet. We should embrace those technologies to expand real
access to town voting to as many registered voters as possible.

Virginia Goodwin

On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 12:54 PM Adam M Hogue  wrote:

> Well Sara, you can also have direct democracy on the ballot with early
> voting and absentee voting.  Just saying.
>
> *Adam M Hogue*
> *Cell: **(978) 828-6184 <(978)%20828-6184>*
>
> On Dec 1, 2023, at 12:50 PM, Sara Mattes  wrote:
>
> This is the law in most towns in New England.
> Every registered voter has an opportunity to vote on all issues, but you
> must be present and counted.
> The alternative is to turn that opportunity to elected officials to make
> all decisions.
> If that a more open, democratic way.
> I chose the former where I have a chance to participate in direct
> democracy rather than handing my vote to a second party.
> Sara
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 1, 2023, at 12:43 PM, Adam M Hogue  wrote:
>
> Unfortunately they can’t vote.  Our voting laws in this town do not allow
> for all voices to be heard and do not allow equal access to voting.
>
> *Adam M Hogue*
> *Cell: **(978) 828-6184 <(978)%20828-6184>*
>
> On Dec 1, 2023, at 12:27 PM, Terri via Lincoln 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Hello Friends,
>
> Does anyone know how residents such as the  elderly or disabled are able
> to vote tomorrow?
> I am pretty sure we can all agreetheir voices are most important.
>
> I see the question was asked several times here on LT.but no answer.
> I do not see it on  Town Web site (?)
>
> Thank you,
> Terri K
>
>
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] question

[Sasha Golden]

There's an ADA issue...

On Fri, Dec 1, 2023, 12:44 PM Adam M Hogue  wrote:

> Unfortunately they can’t vote.  Our voting laws in this town do not allow
> for all voices to be heard and do not allow equal access to voting.
>
> *Adam M Hogue*
> *Cell: **(978) 828-6184 <(978)%20828-6184>*
>
> On Dec 1, 2023, at 12:27 PM, Terri via Lincoln 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Hello Friends,
>
> Does anyone know how residents such as the  elderly or disabled are able
> to vote tomorrow?
> I am pretty sure we can all agreetheir voices are most important.
>
> I see the question was asked several times here on LT.but no answer.
> I do not see it on  Town Web site (?)
>
> Thank you,
> Terri K
>
>
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] question

[Adam M Hogue]

Well Sara, you can also have direct democracy on the ballot with early voting and absentee voting.  Just saying. Adam M HogueCell: (978) 828-6184On Dec 1, 2023, at 12:50 PM, Sara Mattes  wrote:This is the law in most towns in New England.Every registered voter has an opportunity to vote on all issues, but you must be present and counted.The alternative is to turn that opportunity to elected officials to make all decisions.If that a more open, democratic way.I chose the former where I have a chance to participate in direct democracy rather than handing my vote to a second party.SaraSent from my iPhoneOn Dec 1, 2023, at 12:43 PM, Adam M Hogue  wrote:Unfortunately they can’t vote.  Our voting laws in this town do not allow for all voices to be heard and do not allow equal access to voting. Adam M HogueCell: (978) 828-6184On Dec 1, 2023, at 12:27 PM, Terri via Lincoln  wrote:Hello Friends,Does anyone know how residents such as the  elderly or disabled are able to vote tomorrow? I am pretty sure we can all agreetheir voices are most important.  I see the question was asked several times here on LT.but no answer. I do not see it on  Town Web site (?) Thank you,Terri K-- The LincolnTalk mailing list.To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org.Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/.Change your subscription settings at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln.-- The LincolnTalk mailing list.To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org.Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/.Change your subscription settings at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln.-- 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] question

[Adam M Hogue]

Unfortunately they can’t vote.  Our voting laws in this town do not allow for all voices to be heard and do not allow equal access to voting. Adam M HogueCell: (978) 828-6184On Dec 1, 2023, at 12:27 PM, Terri via Lincoln  wrote:Hello Friends,Does anyone know how residents such as the  elderly or disabled are able to vote tomorrow? I am pretty sure we can all agreetheir voices are most important.  I see the question was asked several times here on LT.but no answer. I do not see it on  Town Web site (?) Thank you,Terri K-- The LincolnTalk mailing list.To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org.Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/.Change your subscription settings at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln.-- 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Question Unanswered re: Housing Choice

[Margaret Olson]

My apologies, I mis-read the question.
You will see a draft of the zoning language at the Planning Board's zoning
amendment public hearings, which I expect will start in January (but are
not yet in the calendar).

On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 1:59 PM Margaret Olson 
wrote:

> Yes, in March. In March it is the zoning you will be voting on.
> On December 2nd you are voting on the policy (option C, D1, D2, E, etc)
> that the zoning will implement.
>
> On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 1:46 PM RAandBOB  wrote:
>
>> When will the Town see the actual wording for the proposed bylaw for HCA
>> developments?
>>
>> Ruth Ann
>> (She, her, hers)
>>
>> On Nov 21, 2023, at 1:34 PM, Margaret Olson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Assuming we are going to comply, the HCA zoning must be in place by
>> December 2024. After the TM vote we need final approval from the state
>> EOHLC and from the Attorney General. The March TM deadline gives us time
>> for a special TM if we either have a problem with EOHLC or if the HCA
>> zoning amendment fails. The HCA proposals are submitted to the state for
>> preliminary approval, but this preliminary step does not include the final
>> zoning by-law wording. It is a "courtesy review" of the basic approach -
>> setbacks, heights, zones, etc. It does not include all the incorporated
>> regulations applicable to residential buildings in Lincoln, let alone the
>> restrictions we were discussing at last night's meeting to ensure that the
>> modeled density matches what can be legally built.
>>
>> Margaret
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 12:57 PM dgloew--- via Lincoln <
>> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Regarding the Housing choice decision, I submitted the same question
>>> twice to the HCAWG.  It was apparently sent to J.Glass, T. Higgins, J.
>>> Hutchinson and K. Bodner.  To date, the only answer I received was the
>>> “my feedback will be shared”.
>>> As an almost 50 year resident of Lincoln, I am disappointed and dismayed
>>> that my question has been disregarded.
>>>
>>> The question I posed was:
>>>
>>>  I recall at some point hearing that a decision must be made by the
>>> town by December 2024.  Is that the case, and, if so, why do we seem to be
>>> under pressure to make a decision now?
>>>
>>> This seems to me to be a factual question.  Prior to voting,I am hoping
>>> to receive an answer with no bias or agenda - just a straight forward
>>> answer.
>>>
>>> Thanks to all.
>>>
>>> Davida Loewenstein
>>>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Question Unanswered re: Housing Choice

[Margaret Olson]

Yes, in March. In March it is the zoning you will be voting on.
On December 2nd you are voting on the policy (option C, D1, D2, E, etc)
that the zoning will implement.

On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 1:46 PM RAandBOB  wrote:

> When will the Town see the actual wording for the proposed bylaw for HCA
> developments?
>
> Ruth Ann
> (She, her, hers)
>
> On Nov 21, 2023, at 1:34 PM, Margaret Olson  wrote:
>
> 
> Assuming we are going to comply, the HCA zoning must be in place by
> December 2024. After the TM vote we need final approval from the state
> EOHLC and from the Attorney General. The March TM deadline gives us time
> for a special TM if we either have a problem with EOHLC or if the HCA
> zoning amendment fails. The HCA proposals are submitted to the state for
> preliminary approval, but this preliminary step does not include the final
> zoning by-law wording. It is a "courtesy review" of the basic approach -
> setbacks, heights, zones, etc. It does not include all the incorporated
> regulations applicable to residential buildings in Lincoln, let alone the
> restrictions we were discussing at last night's meeting to ensure that the
> modeled density matches what can be legally built.
>
> Margaret
>
> On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 12:57 PM dgloew--- via Lincoln <
> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>
>> Regarding the Housing choice decision, I submitted the same question
>> twice to the HCAWG.  It was apparently sent to J.Glass, T. Higgins, J.
>> Hutchinson and K. Bodner.  To date, the only answer I received was the
>> “my feedback will be shared”.
>> As an almost 50 year resident of Lincoln, I am disappointed and dismayed
>> that my question has been disregarded.
>>
>> The question I posed was:
>>
>>  I recall at some point hearing that a decision must be made by the town
>> by December 2024.  Is that the case, and, if so, why do we seem to be under
>> pressure to make a decision now?
>>
>> This seems to me to be a factual question.  Prior to voting,I am hoping
>> to receive an answer with no bias or agenda - just a straight forward
>> answer.
>>
>> Thanks to all.
>>
>> Davida Loewenstein
>>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Question Unanswered re: Housing Choice

[RAandBOB]

When will the Town see the actual wording for the proposed bylaw for HCA developments?Ruth Ann(She, her, hers)On Nov 21, 2023, at 1:34 PM, Margaret Olson  wrote:Assuming we are going to comply, the HCA zoning must be in place by December 2024. After the TM vote we need final approval from the state EOHLC and from the Attorney General. The March TM deadline gives us time for a special TM if we either have a problem with EOHLC or if the HCA zoning amendment fails. The HCA proposals are submitted to the state for preliminary approval, but this preliminary step does not include the final zoning by-law wording. It is a "courtesy review" of the basic approach - setbacks, heights, zones, etc. It does not include all the incorporated regulations applicable to residential buildings in Lincoln, let alone the restrictions we were discussing at last night's meeting to ensure that the modeled density matches what can be legally built.MargaretOn Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 12:57 PM dgloew--- via Lincoln  wrote:




Regarding the Housing choice decision, I submitted the same question twice to the HCAWG.  It was apparently sent to J.Glass, T. Higgins, J. Hutchinson and K. Bodner.  To date, the only answer I received was the “my feedback will be shared”.As an almost 50 year resident of Lincoln, I am disappointed and dismayed that my question has been disregarded.The question I posed was:  I recall at some point hearing that a decision must be made by the town by December 2024.  Is that the case, and, if so, why do we seem to be under pressure to make a decision now?This seems to me to be a factual question.  Prior to voting,I am hoping to receive an answer with no bias or agenda - just a straight forward answer.Thanks to all.Davida Loewenstein




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Re: [LincolnTalk] Question Unanswered re: Housing Choice

[Margaret Olson]

Assuming we are going to comply, the HCA zoning must be in place by
December 2024. After the TM vote we need final approval from the state
EOHLC and from the Attorney General. The March TM deadline gives us time
for a special TM if we either have a problem with EOHLC or if the HCA
zoning amendment fails. The HCA proposals are submitted to the state for
preliminary approval, but this preliminary step does not include the final
zoning by-law wording. It is a "courtesy review" of the basic approach -
setbacks, heights, zones, etc. It does not include all the incorporated
regulations applicable to residential buildings in Lincoln, let alone the
restrictions we were discussing at last night's meeting to ensure that the
modeled density matches what can be legally built.

Margaret

On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 12:57 PM dgloew--- via Lincoln <
lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:

> Regarding the Housing choice decision, I submitted the same question twice
> to the HCAWG.  It was apparently sent to J.Glass, T. Higgins, J. Hutchinson
> and K. Bodner.  To date, the only answer I received was the “my feedback
> will be shared”.
> As an almost 50 year resident of Lincoln, I am disappointed and dismayed
> that my question has been disregarded.
>
> The question I posed was:
>
>  I recall at some point hearing that a decision must be made by the town
> by December 2024.  Is that the case, and, if so, why do we seem to be under
> pressure to make a decision now?
>
> This seems to me to be a factual question.  Prior to voting,I am hoping to
> receive an answer with no bias or agenda - just a straight forward answer.
>
> Thanks to all.
>
> Davida Loewenstein
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Question Unanswered re: Housing Choice

[Paul Shorb]

Davida -
Someone else here may be able to correct me, but I believe the answer is
that we need to vote at a Town Meeting, so this would be finally voted on
at the March 2024 Town Meeting, and the Special Town Meeting in December
2023 is to help decide what to present for a final up-or-down vote at that
2024 Town Meeting.
- Paul Shorb

On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 12:57 PM dgloew--- via Lincoln <
lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:

> Regarding the Housing choice decision, I submitted the same question twice
> to the HCAWG.  It was apparently sent to J.Glass, T. Higgins, J. Hutchinson
> and K. Bodner.  To date, the only answer I received was the “my feedback
> will be shared”.
> As an almost 50 year resident of Lincoln, I am disappointed and dismayed
> that my question has been disregarded.
>
> The question I posed was:
>
>  I recall at some point hearing that a decision must be made by the town
> by December 2024.  Is that the case, and, if so, why do we seem to be under
> pressure to make a decision now?
>
> This seems to me to be a factual question.  Prior to voting,I am hoping to
> receive an answer with no bias or agenda - just a straight forward answer.
>
> Thanks to all.
>
> Davida Loewenstein
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] question

[Margaret Olson]

The proposed zoning will include a requirement for 10% affordable housing.

On Mon, Oct 16, 2023 at 11:46 AM Colleen Katsuki 
wrote:

>
> i know that the HCA mandates no more than 10% affordable housing. My
> question is can they build with no affordable housing? Once the land is
> sold into HCA compliant zoning, the town will have no input on it.
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Re: [LincolnTalk] question

[Laura Glynn]

Agree entirely with you Chris

Laura Glynn

On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 12:09 PM Chris McCarthy  wrote:

> It is interesting to recently see a number of people on here so supportive
> of affordable housing. It is my understanding that the town has had
> committees attempting to do so in S. Lincoln for a decade plus.
> Unfortunately if we had acted sooner as a town our hands wouldn't be nearly
> as tied as they are now.
>
> I'm not a policy maker but the HCA was written exactly as intended to
> prevent things like arguing that traffic studies are flawed, lawyers aren't
> representing our interest, schools will collapse, etc from blocking
> compliance. And of course demanding impossible levels of affordable housing
> is another way to easily stop a proposal in its tracks. Arriving at an
> option D will likely produce a similar degree of "concern". Noncompliance
> is a risk and some folks are surprisingly ready to take it.
>
> It is a lot easier to gum up the works than it is to volunteer, put in the
> work or participate in the democratic process. There have been numerous
> online and in person meetings, surveys, drop in sessions, SOTT to gather
> the prevailing public sentiment. There has been outreach on here, in the
> mail and on town pages along with open lines to the various committees.
>
>
> - Chris
>
> On Wed, Oct 11, 2023, 11:27 ٍSarah Postlethwait  wrote:
>
>> It’s also worth noting that the town of Holden isn’t being sued by the
>> state. It’s a third party- the central Massachusetts housing alliance, a
>> Holden property owner and a low income homeless mother who claims their
>> noncompliance is reducing her chance of finding a home (I don’t think she
>> read the 10% rule, either…)
>>
>> The lawsuit itself and the response from Holden are worth reading, and
>> IMO it’s likely to be dismissed as soon as a judge reads it (they just had
>> a change of counsel due to a conflict of interest). In the very least we
>> should see how it plays out before being scared about an impending lawsuit…
>>
>> Sarah Postlethwait
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 11:18 AM Sara Mattes  wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, we are only allowed to require UP TO 10%.
>>> The exception would be a prospective developer approving an economic
>>> analysis that proved the 15% usually required by Lincoln be profitable.
>>> And what do we think the chance of that is?
>>>
>>> I agree with your analysis-this act is a wolf in sheep’s
>>> clothing…couched as eco- friendly “transit oriented development” while it
>>> includes towns with NO public transit (adjacent communities), and a
>>> addressing a housing crisis while limiting the amount of affordable housing.
>>> All this, brought to you by the former Governors and a legislature
>>> unwilling to address a real crisis - a failed public transit system.
>>>
>>> I am interested to see the law suit in Holden plays out.
>>> The firm of our own Town Counsel is defending Holden.
>>>
>>> The AG has NOT issued a legal ruling, but rather issued a statement,
>>> threatening towns.
>>> So far, there has been no follow-up following her press conference over
>>> 6 months ago.
>>>
>>> This is an ever-evolving story and why I keep asking- “Why rush?”
>>>
>>> Slow, thoughtful, deliberate has made us leaders and models  in both
>>> land conservation and affordable housing.
>>> Let’s keep on keeping on.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sara Mattes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 11, 2023, at 10:40 AM, Colleen Katsuki 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Do I understand correctly that the new sate law requires new buildings
>>> under this new law to have only 10% or less affordable housing? Why is
>>> that?  Why can we not have 25% as in Oriole landing? The cynic in me
>>> suggests that this is a sop to the developers, not any real intent to have
>>> more affordable housing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Colleen Katsuki
>>>
>>> Concord Road
>>>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] question

[Don Seltzer]

The new law has nothing to do with affordability.
The State Agency administering it has taken the position that local
affordability laws such as Lincoln's are deterrents to development.  To be
compliant, a plan cannot require that more than 10% of the units in a
development be affordable.

Affordable in this case means a 2 bedroom apartment that is affordable to a
household making about $107K per year.

Don Seltzer

On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 10:40 AM Colleen Katsuki 
wrote:

>
> Do I understand correctly that the new sate law requires new buildings
> under this new law to have only 10% or less affordable housing? Why is
> that?  Why can we not have 25% as in Oriole landing? The cynic in me
> suggests that this is a sop to the developers, not any real intent to
> have more affordable housing.
>
>
>
> Colleen Katsuki
>
> Concord Road
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] question

[Bijoy Misra]

 Dear friends,
As I understood in 2018, the state mandate for affordable housing in
multi-housing development is 25%.  A town or municipality can tailor
(reduce) it to fit its own needs.  I don't understand where this 10%
is being promoted.  Has the state law changed?  I didn't find any
document from the State suggesting that the new development
should have less than 25% in Affordable Housing.
I hope somebody knowledgeable in the group would look and clarify.
Best regards,
Bijoy Misra


On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 12:08 PM Chris McCarthy  wrote:

> It is interesting to recently see a number of people on here so supportive
> of affordable housing. It is my understanding that the town has had
> committees attempting to do so in S. Lincoln for a decade plus.
> Unfortunately if we had acted sooner as a town our hands wouldn't be nearly
> as tied as they are now.
>
> I'm not a policy maker but the HCA was written exactly as intended to
> prevent things like arguing that traffic studies are flawed, lawyers aren't
> representing our interest, schools will collapse, etc from blocking
> compliance. And of course demanding impossible levels of affordable housing
> is another way to easily stop a proposal in its tracks. Arriving at an
> option D will likely produce a similar degree of "concern". Noncompliance
> is a risk and some folks are surprisingly ready to take it.
>
> It is a lot easier to gum up the works than it is to volunteer, put in the
> work or participate in the democratic process. There have been numerous
> online and in person meetings, surveys, drop in sessions, SOTT to gather
> the prevailing public sentiment. There has been outreach on here, in the
> mail and on town pages along with open lines to the various committees.
>
>
> - Chris
>
> On Wed, Oct 11, 2023, 11:27 ٍSarah Postlethwait  wrote:
>
>> It’s also worth noting that the town of Holden isn’t being sued by the
>> state. It’s a third party- the central Massachusetts housing alliance, a
>> Holden property owner and a low income homeless mother who claims their
>> noncompliance is reducing her chance of finding a home (I don’t think she
>> read the 10% rule, either…)
>>
>> The lawsuit itself and the response from Holden are worth reading, and
>> IMO it’s likely to be dismissed as soon as a judge reads it (they just had
>> a change of counsel due to a conflict of interest). In the very least we
>> should see how it plays out before being scared about an impending lawsuit…
>>
>> Sarah Postlethwait
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 11:18 AM Sara Mattes  wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, we are only allowed to require UP TO 10%.
>>> The exception would be a prospective developer approving an economic
>>> analysis that proved the 15% usually required by Lincoln be profitable.
>>> And what do we think the chance of that is?
>>>
>>> I agree with your analysis-this act is a wolf in sheep’s
>>> clothing…couched as eco- friendly “transit oriented development” while it
>>> includes towns with NO public transit (adjacent communities), and a
>>> addressing a housing crisis while limiting the amount of affordable housing.
>>> All this, brought to you by the former Governors and a legislature
>>> unwilling to address a real crisis - a failed public transit system.
>>>
>>> I am interested to see the law suit in Holden plays out.
>>> The firm of our own Town Counsel is defending Holden.
>>>
>>> The AG has NOT issued a legal ruling, but rather issued a statement,
>>> threatening towns.
>>> So far, there has been no follow-up following her press conference over
>>> 6 months ago.
>>>
>>> This is an ever-evolving story and why I keep asking- “Why rush?”
>>>
>>> Slow, thoughtful, deliberate has made us leaders and models  in both
>>> land conservation and affordable housing.
>>> Let’s keep on keeping on.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sara Mattes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 11, 2023, at 10:40 AM, Colleen Katsuki 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Do I understand correctly that the new sate law requires new buildings
>>> under this new law to have only 10% or less affordable housing? Why is
>>> that?  Why can we not have 25% as in Oriole landing? The cynic in me
>>> suggests that this is a sop to the developers, not any real intent to have
>>> more affordable housing.
>>>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] question

[Chris McCarthy]

It is interesting to recently see a number of people on here so supportive
of affordable housing. It is my understanding that the town has had
committees attempting to do so in S. Lincoln for a decade plus.
Unfortunately if we had acted sooner as a town our hands wouldn't be nearly
as tied as they are now.

I'm not a policy maker but the HCA was written exactly as intended to
prevent things like arguing that traffic studies are flawed, lawyers aren't
representing our interest, schools will collapse, etc from blocking
compliance. And of course demanding impossible levels of affordable housing
is another way to easily stop a proposal in its tracks. Arriving at an
option D will likely produce a similar degree of "concern". Noncompliance
is a risk and some folks are surprisingly ready to take it.

It is a lot easier to gum up the works than it is to volunteer, put in the
work or participate in the democratic process. There have been numerous
online and in person meetings, surveys, drop in sessions, SOTT to gather
the prevailing public sentiment. There has been outreach on here, in the
mail and on town pages along with open lines to the various committees.


- Chris

On Wed, Oct 11, 2023, 11:27 ٍSarah Postlethwait  wrote:

> It’s also worth noting that the town of Holden isn’t being sued by the
> state. It’s a third party- the central Massachusetts housing alliance, a
> Holden property owner and a low income homeless mother who claims their
> noncompliance is reducing her chance of finding a home (I don’t think she
> read the 10% rule, either…)
>
> The lawsuit itself and the response from Holden are worth reading, and IMO
> it’s likely to be dismissed as soon as a judge reads it (they just had a
> change of counsel due to a conflict of interest). In the very least we
> should see how it plays out before being scared about an impending lawsuit…
>
> Sarah Postlethwait
>
> On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 11:18 AM Sara Mattes  wrote:
>
>> Yes, we are only allowed to require UP TO 10%.
>> The exception would be a prospective developer approving an economic
>> analysis that proved the 15% usually required by Lincoln be profitable.
>> And what do we think the chance of that is?
>>
>> I agree with your analysis-this act is a wolf in sheep’s clothing…couched
>> as eco- friendly “transit oriented development” while it includes towns
>> with NO public transit (adjacent communities), and a addressing a housing
>> crisis while limiting the amount of affordable housing.
>> All this, brought to you by the former Governors and a legislature
>> unwilling to address a real crisis - a failed public transit system.
>>
>> I am interested to see the law suit in Holden plays out.
>> The firm of our own Town Counsel is defending Holden.
>>
>> The AG has NOT issued a legal ruling, but rather issued a statement,
>> threatening towns.
>> So far, there has been no follow-up following her press conference over 6
>> months ago.
>>
>> This is an ever-evolving story and why I keep asking- “Why rush?”
>>
>> Slow, thoughtful, deliberate has made us leaders and models  in both land
>> conservation and affordable housing.
>> Let’s keep on keeping on.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sara Mattes
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 11, 2023, at 10:40 AM, Colleen Katsuki 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Do I understand correctly that the new sate law requires new buildings
>> under this new law to have only 10% or less affordable housing? Why is
>> that?  Why can we not have 25% as in Oriole landing? The cynic in me
>> suggests that this is a sop to the developers, not any real intent to have
>> more affordable housing.
>>
>>
>>
>> Colleen Katsuki
>>
>> Concord Road
>>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] question

[ٍSarah Postlethwait]

It’s also worth noting that the town of Holden isn’t being sued by the
state. It’s a third party- the central Massachusetts housing alliance, a
Holden property owner and a low income homeless mother who claims their
noncompliance is reducing her chance of finding a home (I don’t think she
read the 10% rule, either…)

The lawsuit itself and the response from Holden are worth reading, and IMO
it’s likely to be dismissed as soon as a judge reads it (they just had a
change of counsel due to a conflict of interest). In the very least we
should see how it plays out before being scared about an impending lawsuit…

Sarah Postlethwait

On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 11:18 AM Sara Mattes  wrote:

> Yes, we are only allowed to require UP TO 10%.
> The exception would be a prospective developer approving an economic
> analysis that proved the 15% usually required by Lincoln be profitable.
> And what do we think the chance of that is?
>
> I agree with your analysis-this act is a wolf in sheep’s clothing…couched
> as eco- friendly “transit oriented development” while it includes towns
> with NO public transit (adjacent communities), and a addressing a housing
> crisis while limiting the amount of affordable housing.
> All this, brought to you by the former Governors and a legislature
> unwilling to address a real crisis - a failed public transit system.
>
> I am interested to see the law suit in Holden plays out.
> The firm of our own Town Counsel is defending Holden.
>
> The AG has NOT issued a legal ruling, but rather issued a statement,
> threatening towns.
> So far, there has been no follow-up following her press conference over 6
> months ago.
>
> This is an ever-evolving story and why I keep asking- “Why rush?”
>
> Slow, thoughtful, deliberate has made us leaders and models  in both land
> conservation and affordable housing.
> Let’s keep on keeping on.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sara Mattes
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 11, 2023, at 10:40 AM, Colleen Katsuki 
> wrote:
>
>
> Do I understand correctly that the new sate law requires new buildings
> under this new law to have only 10% or less affordable housing? Why is
> that?  Why can we not have 25% as in Oriole landing? The cynic in me
> suggests that this is a sop to the developers, not any real intent to have
> more affordable housing.
>
>
>
> Colleen Katsuki
>
> Concord Road
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Re: [LincolnTalk] question

[Sara Mattes]

Yes, we are only allowed to require UP TO 10%.
The exception would be a prospective developer approving an economic analysis 
that proved the 15% usually required by Lincoln be profitable.
And what do we think the chance of that is?

I agree with your analysis-this act is a wolf in sheep’s clothing…couched as 
eco- friendly “transit oriented development” while it includes towns with NO 
public transit (adjacent communities), and a addressing a housing crisis while 
limiting the amount of affordable housing.
All this, brought to you by the former Governors and a legislature unwilling to 
address a real crisis - a failed public transit system.

I am interested to see the law suit in Holden plays out.
The firm of our own Town Counsel is defending Holden.

The AG has NOT issued a legal ruling, but rather issued a statement, 
threatening towns.
So far, there has been no follow-up following her press conference over 6 
months ago.

This is an ever-evolving story and why I keep asking- “Why rush?”

Slow, thoughtful, deliberate has made us leaders and models  in both land 
conservation and affordable housing.
Let’s keep on keeping on.






--
Sara Mattes




> On Oct 11, 2023, at 10:40 AM, Colleen Katsuki  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Do I understand correctly that the new sate law requires new buildings under 
> this new law to have only 10% or less affordable housing? Why is that?  Why 
> can we not have 25% as in Oriole landing? The cynic in me suggests that this 
> is a sop to the developers, not any real intent to have more affordable 
> housing.
> 
> 
> 
> Colleen Katsuki
> 
> Concord Road
> 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] question

[ٍSarah Postlethwait]

The HCA’s goal is to add inventory that is attractive to developers.
It actually doesn’t require ANY affordable housing.

 It allows the town to require up to 10% unless there is a feasibility
study that has been done that shows up to 20% is more appropriate, and then
they have to review and approve the addition of affordable housing
requirements. Margaret Olson has stated that we did the feasibility study
and it only allows 10%.

The HCA committee will flat out turn down any proposal that has higher than
10% without the feasibility study.

This isn’t a law to create much needed affordable units, which is why many
of us are opposed to complying at all- and if we do comply we feel it
should be done in the most minimal way, and then we should handle rezoning
on our terms at a higher mandatory affordability rate.

Sarah Postlethwait

On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 10:40 AM Colleen Katsuki 
wrote:

>
> Do I understand correctly that the new sate law requires new buildings
> under this new law to have only 10% or less affordable housing? Why is
> that?  Why can we not have 25% as in Oriole landing? The cynic in me
> suggests that this is a sop to the developers, not any real intent to
> have more affordable housing.
>
>
>
> Colleen Katsuki
>
> Concord Road
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] question for men with beards

[Sara Mattes]

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Re: [LincolnTalk] question re: house painter?

[Alice Waugh]

Hi Karen,

I combined the duplicate entries and updated the website on the LincolnTalk
Recommendations

list,
which can be found by clicking the blue box at the top right of the Lincoln
Squirrel  home page.

Alice Waugh

Editor, The Lincoln Squirrel  and The
Lincoln Chipmunk 

lincolnsquirreln...@gmail.com

617-710-5542 (mobile)

www.watusiwords.com


On Tue, Aug 29, 2023 at 11:03 PM Karen Seo  wrote:

> On the LincolnTalk list of recommendations, the most frequently
> recommended house painter has what appear to be 2 entries in the list.  Could
> someone help clarify things? Is Hefer Santos the owner of HR Pro or a
> particularly excellent  employee for whom one should ask? The website for
> "HR Pro Painting) does not mention Hefer Santos (or any other name).  And
> the link listed in the second listing doesn't work.
>
> HR Pro (Marlborough)
>
> (774) 285-2775
>
> hrpropaintin...@gmail.com
>
>
> Hefer Santos, HR Pro Painting  (Marlborough)
>
> *Carol Ryan, Ann Warner, Dan Paul, Mary Hill Peters*
>
>
> Thank you,
> Karen
>
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Question re: clothing collection boxes around town

[Anne Warner]

There is also a big truck behind the Walgreens that is across from the 
Lexington Stop and Shop. 

- Sent from iPhone. Typed by thumb. Excuse misspellings! 

> On Jun 26, 2023, at 12:46 PM, June L Matthews  wrote:
> 
> 
> I used to donate to Goodwill but now donate to St. Vincent de Paul.  I have a 
> feeling that Goodwill has changed its mission – they used to employ the 
> disabled to repair clothing that they would then sell.  The Goodwill stores 
> that I have seen have become much more “upscale” in some areas, and I think 
> that they only want ready-to-wear (or ready-to-use) items in good condition.  
> I don’t know what they do with the inferior or damaged donations.  Does 
> anyone know?  There is a big Goodwill donation truck outside Crosby’s market 
> in Concord.
>  
> June
>  
>  
> From: Lincoln  On Behalf Of Sara Mattes
> Sent: Monday, June 26, 2023 12:37 PM
> To: Alice Waugh 
> Cc: Lincoln Talk 
> Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] Question re: clothing collection boxes around town
>  
> St Vincent de Paul has a box in Weston, behind St Julia’s church and near 
> Brothers
>  
> All clothing dropped there goes fire to those in need as do proceeds from 
> sales. 
> Red Cross is notorious for having huge overhead and very highly paid Execs, 
> and actually expending a small portion of revenues on actual aid.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Jun 26, 2023, at 12:28 PM, Alice Waugh  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Andy,
>  
> I think in either case the material must be dry and machine-washed clean. The 
> Red Cross clothing donation page says "items are then sold through a vendor 
> and a portion of the proceeds benefits our Disaster Relief Fund" but doesn't 
> specify that the clothing itself is given to disaster victims, or what 
> condition it has to be in. I suspect though don't know for sure that the 
> "vendor" may be some place like Bay State Textiles that repurposes material 
> in any (dry) condition as described in this 2022 Lincoln Squirrel article 
> under the "Textiles" subhead:
> “Where does it all go?” Part 3: Recycling beyond single-stream"
>  
> Alice Waugh
> Editor, The Lincoln Squirrel and The Lincoln Chipmunk
> lincolnsquirreln...@gmail.com
> 617-710-5542 (mobile)
> www.watusiwords.com
>  
>  
> On Sun, Jun 25, 2023 at 8:27 AM Andy Wang  wrote:
> I had a question regarding the various clothing collection boxes around town. 
>  I was under the impression that the ones that are from baystatetextiles 
> (schools and transfer station) will take clean old clothing (e.g stuff with 
> holes, tears, stains) for textile recycling.  The other ones from Red Cross 
> (transfer station and Stacy’s gas station) is looking for clean and usable 
> clothing for distribution/sale.  Is that correct?  Thanks.  
>  
> Andy
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Question re: clothing collection boxes around town

[David G]

Planet Aid is at best a controversial organization with a disturbing
history.  While the Red Cross has taken some well deserved criticism for
their bureaucracy and costs, they provide some needed services.  Here is a
recent article on Planet Aid

https://www.campustimes.org/2022/09/25/alleged-cult-ties-and-f-watchdog-rating-move-out-donation-bin-company-raises-questions/

On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 5:13 PM Sarah Liepert 
wrote:

> Hi Andy. Great info from several people on Lincoln Talk.
>
> To your question, American Red Cross and other bins specify clothing, so
> in other textiles are best donated to Bay State Textiles.
>
> Alice is correct that the American Red Cross doesn’t give donated clothing
> directly to disaster victims. As Alice noted below, the entirety of the
> donations are given to a vendor. The vendor receives money by selling the
> donated textiles (to thrift stores or by weight for other uses), and the
> American Red Cross receives a portion of that money, which benefits their
> Disaster Relief Fund.
>
> Planet Aid donations are handled in a similar way. Their website says they
> get clothing to people in need, which may be strictly true; but their bins
> have terminology that indicates Planet Aid receives funds in the same way
> as the American Red Cross—by working with a vendor, which sells usable
> clothing to thrift stores, but does not give them free to people in need.
>
> Goodwill and Salvation Army are similar. If donated clothing is usable,
> it’ll be sold through their stores and benefit their programs. Unusable
> clothing is sold by weight (textile recycling) and yields money for their
> programs.
>
> There are many groups that accept *usable* clothing and distribute them
> free of charge to people in need. Those groups include St. Vincent DePaul;
> Cradles to Crayons (newborn to age 12); Circle of Hope (Needham), which
> distributes items free of charge to 25 area shelters and low-income
> programs in Boston; and Solutions at Work Cambridge/Children’s Clothing
> Exchange Cambridge/Green Street Shelter.
>
> All best,
> Sarah Liepert
>
>
> On Jun 26, 2023, at 12:46 PM, June L Matthews  wrote:
>
> 
>
> I used to donate to Goodwill but now donate to St. Vincent de Paul.  I
> have a feeling that Goodwill has changed its mission – they used to employ
> the disabled to repair clothing that they would then sell.  The Goodwill
> stores that I have seen have become much more “upscale” in some areas, and
> I think that they only want ready-to-wear (or ready-to-use) items in good
> condition.  I don’t know what they do with the inferior or damaged
> donations.  Does anyone know?  There is a big Goodwill donation truck
> outside Crosby’s market in Concord.
>
>
>
> June
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Lincoln  *On Behalf Of *Sara
> Mattes
> *Sent:* Monday, June 26, 2023 12:37 PM
> *To:* Alice Waugh 
> *Cc:* Lincoln Talk 
> *Subject:* Re: [LincolnTalk] Question re: clothing collection boxes
> around town
>
>
>
> St Vincent de Paul has a box in Weston, behind St Julia’s church and near
> Brothers
>
>
>
> All clothing dropped there goes fire to those in need as do proceeds from
> sales.
>
> Red Cross is notorious for having huge overhead and very highly paid
> Execs, and actually expending a small portion of revenues on actual aid.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Jun 26, 2023, at 12:28 PM, Alice Waugh  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Hi Andy,
>
>
>
> I think in either case the material must be dry and machine-washed clean.
> The Red Cross clothing donation page
> <https://www.redcross.org/local/massachusetts/ways-to-donate/clothing-donations.html>
>  says
> "items are then sold through a vendor and a portion of the proceeds
> benefits our Disaster Relief Fund" but doesn't specify that the clothing
> itself is given to disaster victims, or what condition it has to be in. I
> suspect though don't know for sure that the "vendor" may be some place like
> Bay State Textiles that repurposes material in any (dry) condition as
> described in this 2022 Lincoln Squirrel article under the "Textiles"
> subhead:
> “Where does it all go?” Part 3: Recycling beyond single-stream
> <https://lincolnsquirrel.com/2022/08/where-does-it-all-go-part-3-recycling-beyond-single-stream/>
> "
>
>
>
> *Alice Waugh*
>
> Editor, The Lincoln Squirrel <https://www.lincolnsquirrel.com> and The
> Lincoln Chipmunk <http://chipmunk.lincolnsquirrel.com>
>
> lincolnsquirreln...@gmail.com
>
> 617-710-5542 (mobile)
>
> www.watusiwords.com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 25, 2023 at 8:27 AM Andy Wang  wrote:
>
> I had a question regarding the va

Re: [LincolnTalk] Question re: clothing collection boxes around town

[melinda bruno-smith]

Very helpful information, thank you!

Sent from my iPhone
Melinda Bruno-Smith




On Jun 26, 2023, at 5:13 PM, Sarah Liepert  wrote:


Hi Andy. Great info from several people on Lincoln Talk.

To your question, American Red Cross and other bins specify clothing, so in 
other textiles are best donated to Bay State Textiles.

Alice is correct that the American Red Cross doesn’t give donated clothing 
directly to disaster victims. As Alice noted below, the entirety of the 
donations are given to a vendor. The vendor receives money by selling the 
donated textiles (to thrift stores or by weight for other uses), and the 
American Red Cross receives a portion of that money, which benefits their 
Disaster Relief Fund.

Planet Aid donations are handled in a similar way. Their website says they get 
clothing to people in need, which may be strictly true; but their bins have 
terminology that indicates Planet Aid receives funds in the same way as the 
American Red Cross—by working with a vendor, which sells usable clothing to 
thrift stores, but does not give them free to people in need.

Goodwill and Salvation Army are similar. If donated clothing is usable, it’ll 
be sold through their stores and benefit their programs. Unusable clothing is 
sold by weight (textile recycling) and yields money for their programs.

There are many groups that accept usable clothing and distribute them free of 
charge to people in need. Those groups include St. Vincent DePaul; Cradles to 
Crayons (newborn to age 12); Circle of Hope (Needham), which distributes items 
free of charge to 25 area shelters and low-income programs in Boston; and 
Solutions at Work Cambridge/Children’s Clothing Exchange Cambridge/Green Street 
Shelter.

All best,
Sarah Liepert


On Jun 26, 2023, at 12:46 PM, June L Matthews  wrote:


I used to donate to Goodwill but now donate to St. Vincent de Paul.  I have a 
feeling that Goodwill has changed its mission – they used to employ the 
disabled to repair clothing that they would then sell.  The Goodwill stores 
that I have seen have become much more “upscale” in some areas, and I think 
that they only want ready-to-wear (or ready-to-use) items in good condition.  I 
don’t know what they do with the inferior or damaged donations.  Does anyone 
know?  There is a big Goodwill donation truck outside Crosby’s market in 
Concord.

June


From: Lincoln  On Behalf Of Sara Mattes
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2023 12:37 PM
To: Alice Waugh 
Cc: Lincoln Talk 
Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] Question re: clothing collection boxes around town

St Vincent de Paul has a box in Weston, behind St Julia’s church and near 
Brothers

All clothing dropped there goes fire to those in need as do proceeds from sales.
Red Cross is notorious for having huge overhead and very highly paid Execs, and 
actually expending a small portion of revenues on actual aid.
Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 26, 2023, at 12:28 PM, Alice Waugh 
mailto:awaugh...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Andy,

I think in either case the material must be dry and machine-washed clean. The 
Red Cross clothing donation 
page<https://www.redcross.org/local/massachusetts/ways-to-donate/clothing-donations.html>
 says "items are then sold through a vendor and a portion of the proceeds 
benefits our Disaster Relief Fund" but doesn't specify that the clothing itself 
is given to disaster victims, or what condition it has to be in. I suspect 
though don't know for sure that the "vendor" may be some place like Bay State 
Textiles that repurposes material in any (dry) condition as described in this 
2022 Lincoln Squirrel article under the "Textiles" subhead:
“Where does it all go?” Part 3: Recycling beyond 
single-stream<https://lincolnsquirrel.com/2022/08/where-does-it-all-go-part-3-recycling-beyond-single-stream/>"


Alice Waugh

Editor, The Lincoln Squirrel<https://www.lincolnsquirrel.com> and The Lincoln 
Chipmunk<http://chipmunk.lincolnsquirrel.com>

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On Sun, Jun 25, 2023 at 8:27 AM Andy Wang 
mailto:andyrw...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I had a question regarding the various clothing collection boxes around town.  
I was under the impression that the ones that are from baystatetextiles 
(schools and transfer station) will take clean old clothing (e.g stuff with 
holes, tears, stains) for textile recycling.  The other ones from Red Cross 
(transfer station and Stacy’s gas station) is looking for clean and usable 
clothing for distribution/sale.  Is that correct?  Thanks.

Andy
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Question re: clothing collection boxes around town

[Sarah Liepert]

Hi Andy. Great info from several people on Lincoln Talk.

To your question, American Red Cross and other bins specify clothing, so in 
other textiles are best donated to Bay State Textiles.

Alice is correct that the American Red Cross doesn’t give donated clothing 
directly to disaster victims. As Alice noted below, the entirety of the 
donations are given to a vendor. The vendor receives money by selling the 
donated textiles (to thrift stores or by weight for other uses), and the 
American Red Cross receives a portion of that money, which benefits their 
Disaster Relief Fund.

Planet Aid donations are handled in a similar way. Their website says they get 
clothing to people in need, which may be strictly true; but their bins have 
terminology that indicates Planet Aid receives funds in the same way as the 
American Red Cross—by working with a vendor, which sells usable clothing to 
thrift stores, but does not give them free to people in need.

Goodwill and Salvation Army are similar. If donated clothing is usable, it’ll 
be sold through their stores and benefit their programs. Unusable clothing is 
sold by weight (textile recycling) and yields money for their programs.

There are many groups that accept usable clothing and distribute them free of 
charge to people in need. Those groups include St. Vincent DePaul; Cradles to 
Crayons (newborn to age 12); Circle of Hope (Needham), which distributes items 
free of charge to 25 area shelters and low-income programs in Boston; and 
Solutions at Work Cambridge/Children’s Clothing Exchange Cambridge/Green Street 
Shelter.

All best,
Sarah Liepert


On Jun 26, 2023, at 12:46 PM, June L Matthews  wrote:


I used to donate to Goodwill but now donate to St. Vincent de Paul.  I have a 
feeling that Goodwill has changed its mission – they used to employ the 
disabled to repair clothing that they would then sell.  The Goodwill stores 
that I have seen have become much more “upscale” in some areas, and I think 
that they only want ready-to-wear (or ready-to-use) items in good condition.  I 
don’t know what they do with the inferior or damaged donations.  Does anyone 
know?  There is a big Goodwill donation truck outside Crosby’s market in 
Concord.

June


From: Lincoln  On Behalf Of Sara Mattes
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2023 12:37 PM
To: Alice Waugh 
Cc: Lincoln Talk 
Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] Question re: clothing collection boxes around town

St Vincent de Paul has a box in Weston, behind St Julia’s church and near 
Brothers

All clothing dropped there goes fire to those in need as do proceeds from sales.
Red Cross is notorious for having huge overhead and very highly paid Execs, and 
actually expending a small portion of revenues on actual aid.
Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 26, 2023, at 12:28 PM, Alice Waugh 
mailto:awaugh...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Andy,

I think in either case the material must be dry and machine-washed clean. The 
Red Cross clothing donation 
page<https://www.redcross.org/local/massachusetts/ways-to-donate/clothing-donations.html>
 says "items are then sold through a vendor and a portion of the proceeds 
benefits our Disaster Relief Fund" but doesn't specify that the clothing itself 
is given to disaster victims, or what condition it has to be in. I suspect 
though don't know for sure that the "vendor" may be some place like Bay State 
Textiles that repurposes material in any (dry) condition as described in this 
2022 Lincoln Squirrel article under the "Textiles" subhead:
“Where does it all go?” Part 3: Recycling beyond 
single-stream<https://lincolnsquirrel.com/2022/08/where-does-it-all-go-part-3-recycling-beyond-single-stream/>"


Alice Waugh

Editor, The Lincoln Squirrel<https://www.lincolnsquirrel.com> and The Lincoln 
Chipmunk<http://chipmunk.lincolnsquirrel.com>

lincolnsquirreln...@gmail.com<mailto:lincolnsquirreln...@gmail.com>

617-710-5542 (mobile)

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On Sun, Jun 25, 2023 at 8:27 AM Andy Wang 
mailto:andyrw...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I had a question regarding the various clothing collection boxes around town.  
I was under the impression that the ones that are from baystatetextiles 
(schools and transfer station) will take clean old clothing (e.g stuff with 
holes, tears, stains) for textile recycling.  The other ones from Red Cross 
(transfer station and Stacy’s gas station) is looking for clean and usable 
clothing for distribution/sale.  Is that correct?  Thanks.

Andy
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Question re: clothing collection boxes around town

[Debra Daugherty]

I once contacted Bay State Textiles and they indicated that they sort the
items into reusable (as clothing) and cloth that should be shredded or
whatever and used for non-clothing purposes. So I think they take all of
the above in terms of the condition of the clothes.

--Debra

On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 12:46 PM June L Matthews  wrote:

> I used to donate to Goodwill but now donate to St. Vincent de Paul.  I
> have a feeling that Goodwill has changed its mission – they used to employ
> the disabled to repair clothing that they would then sell.  The Goodwill
> stores that I have seen have become much more “upscale” in some areas, and
> I think that they only want ready-to-wear (or ready-to-use) items in good
> condition.  I don’t know what they do with the inferior or damaged
> donations.  Does anyone know?  There is a big Goodwill donation truck
> outside Crosby’s market in Concord.
>
>
>
> June
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Lincoln  *On Behalf Of *Sara
> Mattes
> *Sent:* Monday, June 26, 2023 12:37 PM
> *To:* Alice Waugh 
> *Cc:* Lincoln Talk 
> *Subject:* Re: [LincolnTalk] Question re: clothing collection boxes
> around town
>
>
>
> St Vincent de Paul has a box in Weston, behind St Julia’s church and near
> Brothers
>
>
>
> All clothing dropped there goes fire to those in need as do proceeds from
> sales.
>
> Red Cross is notorious for having huge overhead and very highly paid
> Execs, and actually expending a small portion of revenues on actual aid.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Jun 26, 2023, at 12:28 PM, Alice Waugh  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Hi Andy,
>
>
>
> I think in either case the material must be dry and machine-washed clean.
> The Red Cross clothing donation page
> <https://www.redcross.org/local/massachusetts/ways-to-donate/clothing-donations.html>
>  says
> "items are then sold through a vendor and a portion of the proceeds
> benefits our Disaster Relief Fund" but doesn't specify that the clothing
> itself is given to disaster victims, or what condition it has to be in. I
> suspect though don't know for sure that the "vendor" may be some place like
> Bay State Textiles that repurposes material in any (dry) condition as
> described in this 2022 Lincoln Squirrel article under the "Textiles"
> subhead:
> “Where does it all go?” Part 3: Recycling beyond single-stream
> <https://lincolnsquirrel.com/2022/08/where-does-it-all-go-part-3-recycling-beyond-single-stream/>
> "
>
>
>
> *Alice Waugh*
>
> Editor, The Lincoln Squirrel <https://www.lincolnsquirrel.com> and The
> Lincoln Chipmunk <http://chipmunk.lincolnsquirrel.com>
>
> lincolnsquirreln...@gmail.com
>
> 617-710-5542 (mobile)
>
> www.watusiwords.com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 25, 2023 at 8:27 AM Andy Wang  wrote:
>
> I had a question regarding the various clothing collection boxes around
> town.  I was under the impression that the ones that are from
> baystatetextiles (schools and transfer station) will take clean old
> clothing (e.g stuff with holes, tears, stains) for textile recycling.  The
> other ones from Red Cross (transfer station and Stacy’s gas station) is
> looking for clean and usable clothing for distribution/sale.  Is that
> correct?  Thanks.
>
>
>
> Andy
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Question re: clothing collection boxes around town

[June L Matthews]

I used to donate to Goodwill but now donate to St. Vincent de Paul.  I have a 
feeling that Goodwill has changed its mission – they used to employ the 
disabled to repair clothing that they would then sell.  The Goodwill stores 
that I have seen have become much more “upscale” in some areas, and I think 
that they only want ready-to-wear (or ready-to-use) items in good condition.  I 
don’t know what they do with the inferior or damaged donations.  Does anyone 
know?  There is a big Goodwill donation truck outside Crosby’s market in 
Concord.

June


From: Lincoln  On Behalf Of Sara Mattes
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2023 12:37 PM
To: Alice Waugh 
Cc: Lincoln Talk 
Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] Question re: clothing collection boxes around town

St Vincent de Paul has a box in Weston, behind St Julia’s church and near 
Brothers

All clothing dropped there goes fire to those in need as do proceeds from sales.
Red Cross is notorious for having huge overhead and very highly paid Execs, and 
actually expending a small portion of revenues on actual aid.
Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 26, 2023, at 12:28 PM, Alice Waugh 
mailto:awaugh...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Andy,

I think in either case the material must be dry and machine-washed clean. The 
Red Cross clothing donation 
page<https://www.redcross.org/local/massachusetts/ways-to-donate/clothing-donations.html>
 says "items are then sold through a vendor and a portion of the proceeds 
benefits our Disaster Relief Fund" but doesn't specify that the clothing itself 
is given to disaster victims, or what condition it has to be in. I suspect 
though don't know for sure that the "vendor" may be some place like Bay State 
Textiles that repurposes material in any (dry) condition as described in this 
2022 Lincoln Squirrel article under the "Textiles" subhead:
“Where does it all go?” Part 3: Recycling beyond 
single-stream<https://lincolnsquirrel.com/2022/08/where-does-it-all-go-part-3-recycling-beyond-single-stream/>"


Alice Waugh

Editor, The Lincoln Squirrel<https://www.lincolnsquirrel.com> and The Lincoln 
Chipmunk<http://chipmunk.lincolnsquirrel.com>

lincolnsquirreln...@gmail.com<mailto:lincolnsquirreln...@gmail.com>

617-710-5542 (mobile)

www.watusiwords.com<https://www.watusiwords.com/>


On Sun, Jun 25, 2023 at 8:27 AM Andy Wang 
mailto:andyrw...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I had a question regarding the various clothing collection boxes around town.  
I was under the impression that the ones that are from baystatetextiles 
(schools and transfer station) will take clean old clothing (e.g stuff with 
holes, tears, stains) for textile recycling.  The other ones from Red Cross 
(transfer station and Stacy’s gas station) is looking for clean and usable 
clothing for distribution/sale.  Is that correct?  Thanks.

Andy
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Question re: clothing collection boxes around town

[Sara Mattes]

St Vincent de Paul has a box in Weston, behind St Julia’s church and near BrothersAll clothing dropped there goes fire to those in need as do proceeds from sales. Red Cross is notorious for having huge overhead and very highly paid Execs, and actually expending a small portion of revenues on actual aid.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 26, 2023, at 12:28 PM, Alice Waugh  wrote:Hi Andy,I think in either case the material must be dry and machine-washed clean. The Red Cross clothing donation page says "items are then sold through a vendor and a portion of the proceeds benefits our Disaster Relief Fund" but doesn't specify that the clothing itself is given to disaster victims, or what condition it has to be in. I suspect though don't know for sure that the "vendor" may be some place like Bay State Textiles that repurposes material in any (dry) condition as described in this 2022 Lincoln Squirrel article under the "Textiles" subhead: “Where does it all go?” Part 3: Recycling beyond single-stream"Alice WaughEditor, The Lincoln Squirrel and The Lincoln Chipmunklincolnsquirreln...@gmail.com617-710-5542 (mobile)www.watusiwords.comOn Sun, Jun 25, 2023 at 8:27 AM Andy Wang  wrote:I had a question regarding the various clothing collection boxes around town.  I was under the impression that the ones that are from baystatetextiles (schools and transfer station) will take clean old clothing (e.g stuff with holes, tears, stains) for textile recycling.  The other ones from Red Cross (transfer station and Stacy’s gas station) is looking for clean and usable clothing for distribution/sale.  Is that correct?  Thanks.  Andy
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Question re: clothing collection boxes around town

[Alice Waugh]

Hi Andy,

I think in either case the material must be dry and machine-washed clean.
The Red Cross clothing donation page

says
"items are then sold through a vendor and a portion of the proceeds
benefits our Disaster Relief Fund" but doesn't specify that the clothing
itself is given to disaster victims, or what condition it has to be in. I
suspect though don't know for sure that the "vendor" may be some place like
Bay State Textiles that repurposes material in any (dry) condition as
described in this 2022 Lincoln Squirrel article under the "Textiles"
subhead:
“Where does it all go?” Part 3: Recycling beyond single-stream

"

Alice Waugh

Editor, The Lincoln Squirrel  and The
Lincoln Chipmunk 

lincolnsquirreln...@gmail.com

617-710-5542 (mobile)

www.watusiwords.com


On Sun, Jun 25, 2023 at 8:27 AM Andy Wang  wrote:

> I had a question regarding the various clothing collection boxes around
> town.  I was under the impression that the ones that are from
> baystatetextiles (schools and transfer station) will take clean old
> clothing (e.g stuff with holes, tears, stains) for textile recycling.  The
> other ones from Red Cross (transfer station and Stacy’s gas station) is
> looking for clean and usable clothing for distribution/sale.  Is that
> correct?  Thanks.
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Question

[Anne Warner]

Elizabeth - The moderators of this listserve -- who are much appreciated by
the community! - have said that it should be viewed a bit like a community
bulletin board.  People can discuss, offer for sale, comment, whatever they
want -- the only limitations being that we cannot be rude or defame
anyone.  It works beautifully! I see no reason to change.  Welcome to the
Lincoln community! Anne Warner

On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 9:45 AM Kathryn Anagnostakis <
kanagnosta...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Why would that change be wanted/positive?  Having a way to give away or
> sell locally things you no longer need is good for everyone and the land
> fill.
>
> Sincerely,
> Kathryn Anagnostakis
>
>
> > On Nov 14, 2022, at 9:20 AM, Elizabeth Maciolek <
> elizabethmaciol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello
> > Wondering kind of new to platform. I also joined Lexington as we work in
> Lexington. There Group discussed not allowing the site to be a yard sale,
> to sell things, give things away, etc.
> > Is there a chance Lincon Talks would consider only discussion formats,
> and not for selling stuff?
> > What do you think? I appreciate your listening from a newbie.
> > Thank you.
> >
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Question

[Sara Mattes]

Welcome to town, Elizabeth!

LT has thrived as a mix.
Some hate the political chatter, others love it.
Some want only “yard sale”  type chatter .
Some love the mix.
There is no consensus and the moderators due an amazing job of keeping it all 
civil.

Be sure and sign up for all Zoom discussions at State of the Town, and join in 
public forums and debates.
I think we will not disappoint.

Best,
Sara Mattes

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> On Nov 14, 2022, at 9:50 AM, DJCP  wrote:
> 
> 
> Arguably it's the most useful feature of LT. 
> Diana 
> Giles Rd 
> 
>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 9:45 AM Kathryn Anagnostakis 
>>  wrote:
>> Why would that change be wanted/positive?  Having a way to give away or sell 
>> locally things you no longer need is good for everyone and the land fill. 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> Kathryn Anagnostakis
>> 
>> 
>> > On Nov 14, 2022, at 9:20 AM, Elizabeth Maciolek 
>> >  wrote:
>> > 
>> > Hello 
>> > Wondering kind of new to platform. I also joined Lexington as we work in 
>> > Lexington. There Group discussed not allowing the site to be a yard sale, 
>> > to sell things, give things away, etc.
>> > Is there a chance Lincon Talks would consider only discussion formats, and 
>> > not for selling stuff?
>> > What do you think? I appreciate your listening from a newbie.
>> > Thank you.
>> > 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Question

[V Saleme]

Yes- and we definitely require a web based solution with threading
capability-

On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 9:57 AM Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln <
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> Wasn’t there a movement not too long ago to ONLY use Lincoln Talk for the
> Angie’s List stuff and NOT for long discussions?
>
> I can’t keep up.
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
>
>
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> elizabethmaciol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello
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> Lexington. There Group discussed not allowing the site to be a yard sale,
> to sell things, give things away, etc.
> Is there a chance Lincon Talks would consider only discussion formats, and
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Question

[Michelle Barnes via Lincoln]

Welcome, Elizabeth! 

As you may know, the moderators recommend starting your subject line with “FS” 
if you have an item for sale. I’m not positive, but I suspect that you could 
set an email filter to send such formatted messages to trash if you wanted. 
Though it is true that we are not all completely disciplined about that 
practice.

Thank you, 
Michelle Barnes
S. Great Rd.

> On Nov 14, 2022, at 9:20 AM, Elizabeth Maciolek 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello 
> Wondering kind of new to platform. I also joined Lexington as we work in 
> Lexington. There Group discussed not allowing the site to be a yard sale, to 
> sell things, give things away, etc.
> Is there a chance Lincon Talks would consider only discussion formats, and 
> not for selling stuff?
> What do you think? I appreciate your listening from a newbie.
> Thank you.
> 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Question

[Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln]

Wasn’t there a movement not too long ago to ONLY use Lincoln Talk for the 
Angie’s List stuff and NOT for long discussions?
I can’t keep up. 


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Monday, November 14, 2022, 9:20 AM, Elizabeth Maciolek 
 wrote:

Hello 
Wondering kind of new to platform. I also joined Lexington as we work in 
Lexington. There Group discussed not allowing the site to be a yard sale, to 
sell things, give things away, etc.
Is there a chance Lincon Talks would consider only discussion formats, and not 
for selling stuff?
What do you think? I appreciate your listening from a newbie.
Thank you.

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Re: [LincolnTalk] Question

[Mary Crowe]

Yes I agree./ Its  a great source  for finding and getting rid of items
that you dont need but someone else does!

Mary
Bedford Rd

On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 9:50 AM DJCP  wrote:

> Arguably it's the most useful feature of LT.
> Diana
> Giles Rd
>
> On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 9:45 AM Kathryn Anagnostakis <
> kanagnosta...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Why would that change be wanted/positive?  Having a way to give away or
>> sell locally things you no longer need is good for everyone and the land
>> fill.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Kathryn Anagnostakis
>>
>>
>> > On Nov 14, 2022, at 9:20 AM, Elizabeth Maciolek <
>> elizabethmaciol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hello
>> > Wondering kind of new to platform. I also joined Lexington as we work
>> in Lexington. There Group discussed not allowing the site to be a yard
>> sale, to sell things, give things away, etc.
>> > Is there a chance Lincon Talks would consider only discussion formats,
>> and not for selling stuff?
>> > What do you think? I appreciate your listening from a newbie.
>> > Thank you.
>> >
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Question

[DJCP]

Arguably it's the most useful feature of LT.
Diana
Giles Rd

On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 9:45 AM Kathryn Anagnostakis <
kanagnosta...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Why would that change be wanted/positive?  Having a way to give away or
> sell locally things you no longer need is good for everyone and the land
> fill.
>
> Sincerely,
> Kathryn Anagnostakis
>
>
> > On Nov 14, 2022, at 9:20 AM, Elizabeth Maciolek <
> elizabethmaciol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello
> > Wondering kind of new to platform. I also joined Lexington as we work in
> Lexington. There Group discussed not allowing the site to be a yard sale,
> to sell things, give things away, etc.
> > Is there a chance Lincon Talks would consider only discussion formats,
> and not for selling stuff?
> > What do you think? I appreciate your listening from a newbie.
> > Thank you.
> >
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Question

[Kathryn Anagnostakis]

Why would that change be wanted/positive?  Having a way to give away or sell 
locally things you no longer need is good for everyone and the land fill. 

Sincerely,
Kathryn Anagnostakis


> On Nov 14, 2022, at 9:20 AM, Elizabeth Maciolek 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello 
> Wondering kind of new to platform. I also joined Lexington as we work in 
> Lexington. There Group discussed not allowing the site to be a yard sale, to 
> sell things, give things away, etc.
> Is there a chance Lincon Talks would consider only discussion formats, and 
> not for selling stuff?
> What do you think? I appreciate your listening from a newbie.
> Thank you.
> 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Question for cyber pros

[Andrew Scheff via Lincoln]

Sara,

My recommendation is to delete it.  Do not click on the pictures unless you are 
expecting them.  A specially crafted image can contain executable cod (e.g., 
viruses, spyware ...)  Clicking on the picture may execute the code.

The sender's address may also be forged and may not be the actual sender.

Andy, CISSP

-Original Message-
From: Lincoln  On Behalf Of Sara Mattes
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2022 8:06 PM
To: Lincoln Talk 
Subject: [LincolnTalk] Question for cyber pros

Someone received a weird email-not from my email address, but using my name and 
having a link to some pics.
It seems to be pics as it says something about " have you seen these photos 
from Sat.”
The person who got this email did NOT click on the link.

This suspicious email was forwarded to me.
I did not “touch” it.

What should either of us do, if anything?

Sara




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Re: [LincolnTalk] Question for cyber pros

[Sara Mattes]

Thanks-my Gmail seems to block, but this other person got nailed.


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> On Oct 11, 2022, at 8:28 PM, V Saleme  wrote:
> 
> Never click on attachments and hover your mouse over the provided link to 
> reveal the underlying string of characters- if you don’t recognize it, don’t 
> click.
> 
> Unsolicited emails are the first clues that those are something you wish to 
> avoid. 
> 
> As you’re using Gmail, just categorize it as ‘report fishing’ or ‘report 
> spam’, or simply choose block of the sender.
> 
> Lastly, change your login password, minimally, a couple of times a year and 
> make it complex.
> 
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 8:14 PM Leslie Turek  > wrote:
> I got something similar. It used a different person's name, had a link, and 
> said "Just a few photographs (from last Friday) - sharing them cause you 
> probably know most of those guys". I marked it as spam within the gmail 
> system. I got another one like that a few weeks ago too.
> Leslie Turek
> 
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 8:06 PM Sara Mattes  > wrote:
> Someone received a weird email-not from my email address, but using my name 
> and having a link to some pics.
> It seems to be pics as it says something about " have you seen these photos 
> from Sat.”
> The person who got this email did NOT click on the link.
> 
> This suspicious email was forwarded to me.
> I did not “touch” it.
> 
> What should either of us do, if anything?
> 
> Sara
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
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> 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Question for cyber pros

[V Saleme]

Never click on attachments and hover your mouse over the provided link to
reveal the underlying string of characters- if you don’t recognize it,
don’t click.

Unsolicited emails are the first clues that those are something you wish to
avoid.

As you’re using Gmail, just categorize it as ‘report fishing’ or ‘report
spam’, or simply choose block of the sender.

Lastly, change your login password, minimally, a couple of times a year and
make it complex.

On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 8:14 PM Leslie Turek  wrote:

> I got something similar. It used a different person's name, had a link,
> and said "Just a few photographs (from last Friday) - sharing them cause
> you probably know most of those guys". I marked it as spam within the gmail
> system. I got another one like that a few weeks ago too.
> Leslie Turek
>
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 8:06 PM Sara Mattes  wrote:
>
>> Someone received a weird email-not from my email address, but using my
>> name and having a link to some pics.
>> It seems to be pics as it says something about " have you seen these
>> photos from Sat.”
>> The person who got this email did NOT click on the link.
>>
>> This suspicious email was forwarded to me.
>> I did not “touch” it.
>>
>> What should either of us do, if anything?
>>
>> Sara
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
>>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Question for cyber pros

[Leslie Turek]

I got something similar. It used a different person's name, had a link, and
said "Just a few photographs (from last Friday) - sharing them cause you
probably know most of those guys". I marked it as spam within the gmail
system. I got another one like that a few weeks ago too.
Leslie Turek

On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 8:06 PM Sara Mattes  wrote:

> Someone received a weird email-not from my email address, but using my
> name and having a link to some pics.
> It seems to be pics as it says something about " have you seen these
> photos from Sat.”
> The person who got this email did NOT click on the link.
>
> This suspicious email was forwarded to me.
> I did not “touch” it.
>
> What should either of us do, if anything?
>
> Sara
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sara Mattes
>
>
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Question about contested 2022 Lincoln races

[Barbara Peskin]

Question about contested 2022 Lincoln races

Hi,
I saw a few posts in response to this - and maybe didn't catch all so hope
this isn't repeating.

In general, I think anyone should run in a race if they feel they can do a
good job for the town.

Sometimes incumbents win races without opposition, that's okay, but if
several years later when it's time for reelection, someone else feels they
have something to offer, they should.  There are always new people, new
issues, new skills people learn and gain.

For Planning Board, I support Ephraim Flint. He has so much to offer. So
much experience. I am glad he is running.

Best to all,
Barbara



> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Michelle Barnes 
> To: "lincoln@lincolntalk.org" 
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2022 10:31:18 -0400
> Subject: [LincolnTalk] Question about contested 2022 Lincoln races
> Dear LincolnTalk,
>
> I’m wondering whether the candidates challenging incumbents in the two
> 2022 town elections, or anyone else for that matter, might be able to shed
> any light on why they’ve entered the race? From the candidate forum I did
> not get a strong sense of that. (Rightly so, in order to keep the
> discussion civil, the parameters around the evening would’ve made that
> conversation difficult. The moderators, Carol Casper and Rob Stringer, did
> a truly superb job of pulling that evening together and moderating it, and
> I’m so very grateful to all the candidates for putting their hat into the
> vital ring of public service. We are so lucky to have so many super
> talented, capable, caring and committed people in our community,  wow!)
>
> Our daughter will be entering the eighth grade this fall, so I am
> particularly interested in (and mystified by) the LSRH school committee
> race. From the candidates forum, on the face of it at least, stated
> objectives and values were reasonably similar across the incumbents and
> those challenging the incumbents although styles were clearly very
> different (for both contested races). This leaves me wondering what I am
> missing? If you’d like to, or are at least willing to, discuss this with me
> privately, please email me back and I’ll give you my personal contact
> information so that we can discuss it by phone or meet for coffee at the
> Twisted Tree or whatever is most comfortable and convenient for you. It
> might be good for all of us to learn the answer to this question directly
> from the candidates challenging incumbents though.
>
> Thank you very much,
> Michelle Barnes
> S. Great Rd.
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Andrew Payne 
> To: "" 
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2022 10:38:23 -0400
> Subject: [LincolnTalk] ENDORSEMENT: Jim Hutchinson for Select Board (vote
> March 28)
> Fellow residents,
>
> I’m writing to endorse Jim Hutchinson for Select Board, and I urge you to
> vote for him in the town election on March 28th (the Monday after town
> meeting).
>
> This is an easy endorsement to write:  I’ve worked with Jim closely for a
> number of years on Lincoln’s Finance Committee and other town projects, and
> I’m constantly impressed with his expertise and understanding of financial
> and management issues in our town.  Residents may not fully understand how
> much he’s led and contributed, from a revised OPEB “level-budgeting” policy
> at fincom, to playing a key role reviewing & negotiating our complex solar
> power purchase agreements for our new school building, to learning the
> municipal water business (probably more than he bargained for!) and getting
> operations there back on track.
>
> When Jim was talking to me about joining fincom, he said (paraphrasing) “*if
> you want to understand how a town really works, follow the finances*”.
> While there’s much more to the Select Board than just business and finance
> stuff, I have a hard time imagining someone with a better perspective &
> instinct on Lincoln’s opportunities, challenges, issues, and constraints
> than Jim.  He’s been a model for volunteering, analytical thinking, active
> listening, problem-solving, dry humor, and “giving back”.  We’re all lucky
> to have him.
>
> After I wrote this, a few other residents that feel the same way about Jim
> asked to add their names below.  We all urge you to vote for Jim in the
> March 28 Select Board election.
>
> Andrew Payne
> Eric Harris
> Sanj Kharbanda
>
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Pastor Allen 
> To: Michelle Barnes 
> Cc: Lincoln@lincolntalk.org
> Bcc:
> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2022 08:38:50 -0600
> Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] Question about contested 2022 Lincoln races
> As a former (and unsuccessful) candidate in a contest

Re: [LincolnTalk] Question about contested 2022 Lincoln races

[Andrew Scheff via Lincoln]

I believe it is a cost split proportionally based on number of students from 
each town using a rolling average to prevent big year to year swings in Town 
cost.

 

Andy

 

From: Lincoln  On Behalf Of Gordon Woodington
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2022 2:20 PM
To: Sara Mattes 
Cc: Lincoln Talk 
Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] Question about contested 2022 Lincoln races

 

Simple minded; is cost split proportionally based on number of students from 
each town?  Obvious that would then fluctuate on a year basis or so??

Gordon Woodington

 

 

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 1:59 PM Sara Mattes mailto:samat...@gmail.com> > wrote:

There is a long history of Sudbury feeling the agreement should require a 
larger payment from Lincoln

When I was on the Select Board, it was very a hot topic.

We had a local study committee to look into other potential regional options.

There were none.

I would be curious to know where the push to revisit the agree is truly coming 
from.

Sara

Sent from my iPhone





On Mar 18, 2022, at 1:25 PM, Louis Zipes mailto:louiszi...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Michelle,

Personally for me the biggest thing, for the LSSC (LSRH) races, is how each 
candidate looks upon the Lincoln Sudbury Regional High School Agreement. As I 
understand there might be a clamoring from Sudbury residents that Lincoln is 
not 'paying its fair share' and they want to re-open the agreement. Apologies 
if I'm mischaracterizing this but apparently there was a committee that was 
formed to look at this question so we should have some wariness about this and 
seek to clarify their positions on this.

 

Keep in mind that at certain points in our time in this long compact we may 
have thought we were getting the short end of the stick so I would defer to 
people with longer institutional knowledge to give some historical context 
here. 

 

I second that the evening was a great way to meet and hear from candidates from 
some of the boards that get less visibility. Hurrah for all of the people 
putting themselves out there to help our community.

 

- Louis

 

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 10:31 AM Michelle Barnes via Lincoln 
mailto:lincoln@lincolntalk.org> > wrote:

Dear LincolnTalk, 

I’m wondering whether the candidates challenging incumbents in the two 2022 
town elections, or anyone else for that matter, might be able to shed any light 
on why they’ve entered the race? From the candidate forum I did not get a 
strong sense of that. (Rightly so, in order to keep the discussion civil, the 
parameters around the evening would’ve made that conversation difficult. The 
moderators, Carol Casper and Rob Stringer, did a truly superb job of pulling 
that evening together and moderating it, and I’m so very grateful to all the 
candidates for putting their hat into the vital ring of public service. We are 
so lucky to have so many super talented, capable, caring and committed people 
in our community,  wow!) 

Our daughter will be entering the eighth grade this fall, so I am particularly 
interested in (and mystified by) the LSRH school committee race. From the 
candidates forum, on the face of it at least, stated objectives and values were 
reasonably similar across the incumbents and those challenging the incumbents 
although styles were clearly very different (for both contested races). This 
leaves me wondering what I am missing? If you’d like to, or are at least 
willing to, discuss this with me privately, please email me back and I’ll give 
you my personal contact information so that we can discuss it by phone or meet 
for coffee at the Twisted Tree or whatever is most comfortable and convenient 
for you. It might be good for all of us to learn the answer to this question 
directly from the candidates challenging incumbents though. 

Thank you very much, 
Michelle Barnes 
S. Great Rd.

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Re: [LincolnTalk] Question about contested 2022 Lincoln races

[Jim Hutchinson]

Lisa and Gordon are both roughly correct.

The state first sets minimum contributions for each town that cover a 
“Foundation Budget” for LSRHS. The minimum contributions are in theory adjusted 
by wealth factors in each town (based on property values and income) but in 
practice both Sudbury and Lincoln are sufficiently wealthy that these factors 
have no impact, and the minimum contribution is pretty much a “per pupil” kind 
of number. Last time I was involved (FY21), the minimum contribution 
represented about half of the total assessment to the Towns.

By our regional agreement, the other half, the “above minimum contribution”, is 
assessed to the two towns based on the rolling average of the last three years 
of enrollment. Again, pretty much a “per pupil” kind of calculation, albeit 
with the rolling average involved.

In terms of the split between Lincoln and Sudbury, Lincoln’s share has been 
dropping along with our enrollment. It was around 15% in the FY13-16 period and 
has since dropped to around 12% in FY21.

One issue we’ve had in the past is uncertainty about exactly what the split 
will be as each town goes thru their budgeting cycle, since Lincoln has its 
Town Meeting earlier and typically tries to generate its budgets in Nov-Jan, 
before the Governor releases the state budget, usually not until late Jan or 
early Feb. As a result, in 2019 when I was on Fincom I wrote a spreadsheet to 
accurately predict this split in assessments between the two towns based solely 
on Oct 1 enrollment and past year information. For the six years I tested 
(FY15- FY20), the error in these predictions of Lincoln’s assessment was less 
than $10,000 in each case. I did this partly to dispel the notion that some 
change to the regional agreement was needed due to this uncertainty in split of 
assessments. It is not.

So like Sara, I am curious what motivates this year’s concern about the 
regional agreement. I’d happily volunteer to participate in any discussions 
requested by Sudbury, especially regarding any finance or budgeting related 
concerns.

Jim Hutchinson


From: Lincoln  On Behalf Of Lisa Putukian via 
Lincoln
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2022 3:01 PM
To: Gordon Woodington 
Cc: Lincoln Talk 
Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] Question about contested 2022 Lincoln races

My recollection is that there is a state mandated minimum contribution 
irrespective of percentage of students from each town (15%).  In the 1970’s 
Lincoln represented 15-20% of the LS population. As recently as 5 years ago 
Lincoln represented less than 15% (perhaps 12%)?  Someone closer to the facts 
can correct me.

Perceptions (both in Sudbury and in Lincoln) can often take a very long time to 
adjust.

Lisa
(born and raised in Sudbury, living in Lincoln longer than those « formative » 
years).
Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse typos!


On Mar 18, 2022, at 2:20 PM, Gordon Woodington 
mailto:alpinemeado...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Simple minded; is cost split proportionally based on number of students from 
each town?  Obvious that would then fluctuate on a year basis or so??
Gordon Woodington


On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 1:59 PM Sara Mattes 
mailto:samat...@gmail.com>> wrote:
There is a long history of Sudbury feeling the agreement should require a 
larger payment from Lincoln
When I was on the Select Board, it was very a hot topic.
We had a local study committee to look into other potential regional options.
There were none.
I would be curious to know where the push to revisit the agree is truly coming 
from.
Sara
Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 18, 2022, at 1:25 PM, Louis Zipes 
mailto:louiszi...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Michelle,
Personally for me the biggest thing, for the LSSC (LSRH) races, is how each 
candidate looks upon the Lincoln Sudbury Regional High School Agreement. As I 
understand there might be a clamoring from Sudbury residents that Lincoln is 
not 'paying its fair share' and they want to re-open the agreement. Apologies 
if I'm mischaracterizing this but apparently there was a committee that was 
formed to look at this question so we should have some wariness about this and 
seek to clarify their positions on this.

Keep in mind that at certain points in our time in this long compact we may 
have thought we were getting the short end of the stick so I would defer to 
people with longer institutional knowledge to give some historical context here.

I second that the evening was a great way to meet and hear from candidates from 
some of the boards that get less visibility. Hurrah for all of the people 
putting themselves out there to help our community.

- Louis

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 10:31 AM Michelle Barnes via Lincoln 
mailto:lincoln@lincolntalk.org>> wrote:
Dear LincolnTalk,

I’m wondering whether the candidates challenging incumbents in the two 2022 
town elections, or anyone else for that matter, might be able to shed any light 
on why they’ve entered the race? From the candidate forum I did

Re: [LincolnTalk] Question about contested 2022 Lincoln races

[Lisa Putukian via Lincoln]

My recollection is that there is a state mandated minimum contribution 
irrespective of percentage of students from each town (15%).  In the 1970’s 
Lincoln represented 15-20% of the LS population. As recently as 5 years ago 
Lincoln represented less than 15% (perhaps 12%)?  Someone closer to the facts 
can correct me. 

Perceptions (both in Sudbury and in Lincoln) can often take a very long time to 
adjust. 

Lisa
(born and raised in Sudbury, living in Lincoln longer than those « formative » 
years).

Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse typos!

> On Mar 18, 2022, at 2:20 PM, Gordon Woodington  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Simple minded; is cost split proportionally based on number of students from 
> each town?  Obvious that would then fluctuate on a year basis or so??
> Gordon Woodington
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 1:59 PM Sara Mattes  wrote:
>> There is a long history of Sudbury feeling the agreement should require a 
>> larger payment from Lincoln
>> When I was on the Select Board, it was very a hot topic.
>> We had a local study committee to look into other potential regional options.
>> There were none.
>> I would be curious to know where the push to revisit the agree is truly 
>> coming from.
>> Sara
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Mar 18, 2022, at 1:25 PM, Louis Zipes  wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> Michelle,
>>> Personally for me the biggest thing, for the LSSC (LSRH) races, is how each 
>>> candidate looks upon the Lincoln Sudbury Regional High School Agreement. As 
>>> I understand there might be a clamoring from Sudbury residents that Lincoln 
>>> is not 'paying its fair share' and they want to re-open the agreement. 
>>> Apologies if I'm mischaracterizing this but apparently there was a 
>>> committee that was formed to look at this question so we should have some 
>>> wariness about this and seek to clarify their positions on this.
>>> 
>>> Keep in mind that at certain points in our time in this long compact we may 
>>> have thought we were getting the short end of the stick so I would defer to 
>>> people with longer institutional knowledge to give some historical context 
>>> here. 
>>> 
>>> I second that the evening was a great way to meet and hear from candidates 
>>> from some of the boards that get less visibility. Hurrah for all of the 
>>> people putting themselves out there to help our community.
>>> 
>>> - Louis
>>> 
 On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 10:31 AM Michelle Barnes via Lincoln 
  wrote:
 Dear LincolnTalk, 
 
 I’m wondering whether the candidates challenging incumbents in the two 
 2022 town elections, or anyone else for that matter, might be able to shed 
 any light on why they’ve entered the race? From the candidate forum I did 
 not get a strong sense of that. (Rightly so, in order to keep the 
 discussion civil, the parameters around the evening would’ve made that 
 conversation difficult. The moderators, Carol Casper and Rob Stringer, did 
 a truly superb job of pulling that evening together and moderating it, and 
 I’m so very grateful to all the candidates for putting their hat into the 
 vital ring of public service. We are so lucky to have so many super 
 talented, capable, caring and committed people in our community,  wow!) 
 
 Our daughter will be entering the eighth grade this fall, so I am 
 particularly interested in (and mystified by) the LSRH school committee 
 race. From the candidates forum, on the face of it at least, stated 
 objectives and values were reasonably similar across the incumbents and 
 those challenging the incumbents although styles were clearly very 
 different (for both contested races). This leaves me wondering what I am 
 missing? If you’d like to, or are at least willing to, discuss this with 
 me privately, please email me back and I’ll give you my personal contact 
 information so that we can discuss it by phone or meet for coffee at the 
 Twisted Tree or whatever is most comfortable and convenient for you. It 
 might be good for all of us to learn the answer to this question directly 
 from the candidates challenging incumbents though. 
 
 Thank you very much, 
 Michelle Barnes 
 S. Great Rd.
 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Question about contested 2022 Lincoln races

[Gordon Woodington]

Simple minded; is cost split proportionally based on number of students
from each town?  Obvious that would then fluctuate on a year basis or so??
Gordon Woodington


On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 1:59 PM Sara Mattes  wrote:

> There is a long history of Sudbury feeling the agreement should require a
> larger payment from Lincoln
> When I was on the Select Board, it was very a hot topic.
> We had a local study committee to look into other potential regional
> options.
> There were none.
> I would be curious to know where the push to revisit the agree is truly
> coming from.
> Sara
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 18, 2022, at 1:25 PM, Louis Zipes  wrote:
>
> 
> Michelle,
> Personally for me the biggest thing, for the LSSC (LSRH) races, is how
> each candidate looks upon the Lincoln Sudbury Regional High School
> Agreement. As I understand there might be a clamoring from Sudbury
> residents that Lincoln is not 'paying its fair share' and they want to
> re-open the agreement. Apologies if I'm mischaracterizing this but
> apparently there was a committee that was formed to look at this question
> so we should have some wariness about this and seek to clarify their
> positions on this.
>
> Keep in mind that at certain points in our time in this long compact we
> may have thought we were getting the short end of the stick so I would
> defer to people with longer institutional knowledge to give some historical
> context here.
>
> I second that the evening was a great way to meet and hear from candidates
> from some of the boards that get less visibility. Hurrah for all of the
> people putting themselves out there to help our community.
>
> - Louis
>
> On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 10:31 AM Michelle Barnes via Lincoln <
> lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:
>
>> Dear LincolnTalk,
>>
>> I’m wondering whether the candidates challenging incumbents in the two
>> 2022 town elections, or anyone else for that matter, might be able to shed
>> any light on why they’ve entered the race? From the candidate forum I did
>> not get a strong sense of that. (Rightly so, in order to keep the
>> discussion civil, the parameters around the evening would’ve made that
>> conversation difficult. The moderators, Carol Casper and Rob Stringer, did
>> a truly superb job of pulling that evening together and moderating it, and
>> I’m so very grateful to all the candidates for putting their hat into the
>> vital ring of public service. We are so lucky to have so many super
>> talented, capable, caring and committed people in our community,  wow!)
>>
>> Our daughter will be entering the eighth grade this fall, so I am
>> particularly interested in (and mystified by) the LSRH school committee
>> race. From the candidates forum, on the face of it at least, stated
>> objectives and values were reasonably similar across the incumbents and
>> those challenging the incumbents although styles were clearly very
>> different (for both contested races). This leaves me wondering what I am
>> missing? If you’d like to, or are at least willing to, discuss this with me
>> privately, please email me back and I’ll give you my personal contact
>> information so that we can discuss it by phone or meet for coffee at the
>> Twisted Tree or whatever is most comfortable and convenient for you. It
>> might be good for all of us to learn the answer to this question directly
>> from the candidates challenging incumbents though.
>>
>> Thank you very much,
>> Michelle Barnes
>> S. Great Rd.
>>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Question about contested 2022 Lincoln races

[Sara Mattes]

There is a long history of Sudbury feeling the agreement should require a 
larger payment from Lincoln
When I was on the Select Board, it was very a hot topic.
We had a local study committee to look into other potential regional options.
There were none.
I would be curious to know where the push to revisit the agree is truly coming 
from.
Sara

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 18, 2022, at 1:25 PM, Louis Zipes  wrote:
> 
> 
> Michelle,
> Personally for me the biggest thing, for the LSSC (LSRH) races, is how each 
> candidate looks upon the Lincoln Sudbury Regional High School Agreement. As I 
> understand there might be a clamoring from Sudbury residents that Lincoln is 
> not 'paying its fair share' and they want to re-open the agreement. Apologies 
> if I'm mischaracterizing this but apparently there was a committee that was 
> formed to look at this question so we should have some wariness about this 
> and seek to clarify their positions on this.
> 
> Keep in mind that at certain points in our time in this long compact we may 
> have thought we were getting the short end of the stick so I would defer to 
> people with longer institutional knowledge to give some historical context 
> here. 
> 
> I second that the evening was a great way to meet and hear from candidates 
> from some of the boards that get less visibility. Hurrah for all of the 
> people putting themselves out there to help our community.
> 
> - Louis
> 
>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 10:31 AM Michelle Barnes via Lincoln 
>>  wrote:
>> Dear LincolnTalk, 
>> 
>> I’m wondering whether the candidates challenging incumbents in the two 2022 
>> town elections, or anyone else for that matter, might be able to shed any 
>> light on why they’ve entered the race? From the candidate forum I did not 
>> get a strong sense of that. (Rightly so, in order to keep the discussion 
>> civil, the parameters around the evening would’ve made that conversation 
>> difficult. The moderators, Carol Casper and Rob Stringer, did a truly superb 
>> job of pulling that evening together and moderating it, and I’m so very 
>> grateful to all the candidates for putting their hat into the vital ring of 
>> public service. We are so lucky to have so many super talented, capable, 
>> caring and committed people in our community,  wow!) 
>> 
>> Our daughter will be entering the eighth grade this fall, so I am 
>> particularly interested in (and mystified by) the LSRH school committee 
>> race. From the candidates forum, on the face of it at least, stated 
>> objectives and values were reasonably similar across the incumbents and 
>> those challenging the incumbents although styles were clearly very different 
>> (for both contested races). This leaves me wondering what I am missing? If 
>> you’d like to, or are at least willing to, discuss this with me privately, 
>> please email me back and I’ll give you my personal contact information so 
>> that we can discuss it by phone or meet for coffee at the Twisted Tree or 
>> whatever is most comfortable and convenient for you. It might be good for 
>> all of us to learn the answer to this question directly from the candidates 
>> challenging incumbents though. 
>> 
>> Thank you very much, 
>> Michelle Barnes 
>> S. Great Rd.
>> 
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Question about contested 2022 Lincoln races

[Louis Zipes]

Michelle,
Personally for me the biggest thing, for the LSSC (LSRH) races, is how each
candidate looks upon the Lincoln Sudbury Regional High School Agreement. As
I understand there might be a clamoring from Sudbury residents that Lincoln
is not 'paying its fair share' and they want to re-open the agreement.
Apologies if I'm mischaracterizing this but apparently there was a
committee that was formed to look at this question so we should have some
wariness about this and seek to clarify their positions on this.

Keep in mind that at certain points in our time in this long compact we may
have thought we were getting the short end of the stick so I would defer to
people with longer institutional knowledge to give some historical context
here.

I second that the evening was a great way to meet and hear from candidates
from some of the boards that get less visibility. Hurrah for all of the
people putting themselves out there to help our community.

- Louis

On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 10:31 AM Michelle Barnes via Lincoln <
lincoln@lincolntalk.org> wrote:

> Dear LincolnTalk,
>
> I’m wondering whether the candidates challenging incumbents in the two
> 2022 town elections, or anyone else for that matter, might be able to shed
> any light on why they’ve entered the race? From the candidate forum I did
> not get a strong sense of that. (Rightly so, in order to keep the
> discussion civil, the parameters around the evening would’ve made that
> conversation difficult. The moderators, Carol Casper and Rob Stringer, did
> a truly superb job of pulling that evening together and moderating it, and
> I’m so very grateful to all the candidates for putting their hat into the
> vital ring of public service. We are so lucky to have so many super
> talented, capable, caring and committed people in our community,  wow!)
>
> Our daughter will be entering the eighth grade this fall, so I am
> particularly interested in (and mystified by) the LSRH school committee
> race. From the candidates forum, on the face of it at least, stated
> objectives and values were reasonably similar across the incumbents and
> those challenging the incumbents although styles were clearly very
> different (for both contested races). This leaves me wondering what I am
> missing? If you’d like to, or are at least willing to, discuss this with me
> privately, please email me back and I’ll give you my personal contact
> information so that we can discuss it by phone or meet for coffee at the
> Twisted Tree or whatever is most comfortable and convenient for you. It
> might be good for all of us to learn the answer to this question directly
> from the candidates challenging incumbents though.
>
> Thank you very much,
> Michelle Barnes
> S. Great Rd.
>
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Re: [LincolnTalk] Question about contested 2022 Lincoln races

[Pastor Allen]

As a former (and unsuccessful) candidate in a contested race for an open seat 
here in town, my opinion is that any challenger has to make a strong case as to 
why they should replace the incumbent.  If that case is not made, then there 
really is no reason to displace the incumbent.  And (frankly) it also strongly 
implies they should not be replaced.

- Allen Vander Meulen

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 18, 2022, at 08:31, Michelle Barnes via Lincoln 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dear LincolnTalk, 
> 
> I’m wondering whether the candidates challenging incumbents in the two 2022 
> town elections, or anyone else for that matter, might be able to shed any 
> light on why they’ve entered the race? From the candidate forum I did not get 
> a strong sense of that. (Rightly so, in order to keep the discussion civil, 
> the parameters around the evening would’ve made that conversation difficult. 
> The moderators, Carol Casper and Rob Stringer, did a truly superb job of 
> pulling that evening together and moderating it, and I’m so very grateful to 
> all the candidates for putting their hat into the vital ring of public 
> service. We are so lucky to have so many super talented, capable, caring and 
> committed people in our community,  wow!) 
> 
> Our daughter will be entering the eighth grade this fall, so I am 
> particularly interested in (and mystified by) the LSRH school committee race. 
> From the candidates forum, on the face of it at least, stated objectives and 
> values were reasonably similar across the incumbents and those challenging 
> the incumbents although styles were clearly very different (for both 
> contested races). This leaves me wondering what I am missing? If you’d like 
> to, or are at least willing to, discuss this with me privately, please email 
> me back and I’ll give you my personal contact information so that we can 
> discuss it by phone or meet for coffee at the Twisted Tree or whatever is 
> most comfortable and convenient for you. It might be good for all of us to 
> learn the answer to this question directly from the candidates challenging 
> incumbents though. 
> 
> Thank you very much, 
> Michelle Barnes 
> S. Great Rd.
> 
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