Re: [LINK] How fast is the NBN?

[Janet Hawtin]

Wireless depends on the bands being available for public use? If we want to
be planning for larger wireless public bandwidth should we be tracking
squatted commercial wireless bands and reclaiming it for public use?

On 3 March 2016 at 13:27, David Boxall  wrote:

> On 3/03/2016 9:11 AM, Tom Worthington wrote:
>
>> On 01/03/16 15:56, David Boxall wrote:
>>
>> Can you substantiate your implication that the only demand that's
>>> increasing is mobile? ...
>>>
>>
>> The intended implication was that mobile demand would make fixed data
>> demand largely irrelevant.
>>
>> ACAM reported that in December 2014, 21% of adult Australians were
>> mobile-only Internet users, up 2% from the previous year. Younger
>> Australians are more mobile and I suggest as they get older they will
>> stay mobile and fixed Internet use will decline in importance:
>>
>> http://www.acma.gov.au/theACMA/engage-blogs/engage-blogs/Research-snapshots/Australians-get-mobile
>> ...
>>
> 
>
> There are others on this list better qualified than I to unpick that
> cherry. What I do get out of this is that both mobile and fixed line demand
> are rising exponentially.
>
> So, a little thought experiment:
> - Two networks; one all fibre, the other solely wireless.
> - To level the playing field, we'll make the distances 100 kilometres for
> wireless and 1000 for fibre.
> - Begin adding 8k video streams (this is not meant to be far into the
> future, so we won't go beyond 8k).
>
> Which will reach its limits first?
>
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Re: [LINK] How fast is the NBN?

[Janet Hawtin]

I saw some old photographs of the ditches dug on East Terrace in Adelaide.
I do not know if they were putting in water, sewage or both but the hole
was thorough, deep enough to stand in and dug by hand. The rail
infrastructure across the country was equally thorough. What kind of nbn
would they be building? Why is real infrastructure not seen as an asset
anymore?

On 28 February 2016 at 13:27, Frank O'Connor 
wrote:

> Mmmm,
>
> > On 28 Feb 2016, at 1:44 PM, David Boxall  wrote:
> >
> > On 28/02/2016 12:17 PM, Tom Worthington wrote:
> >> ...
> >> The future I imagine is one where people use data when out and about,
> > Only then? Do you see none being used in homes, businesses, factories
> and the like?
>
> Not to mention that Telstra is frantically trying to get its subscribers
> to sign up to contracts which include an essentially public’ modem that can
> be used by passers by as well as the subscriber to provide ‘universal’ WiFi
> capability no matter where people are.
>
> The point is that said connection is only available courtesy of the HOME
> LINE CONNECTION. Public WiFi accessability is being created ON THE BACK of
> the hardwired home line.
>
> >
> >> ... High speed broadband limited to home seems
> >> to me lacking in imagination: a quaint old fashioned view of the future,
> > Is a vision of broadband limited to mobile uses rational?
>
> Neither rational, or imaginative.
>
> Just my 2 cents worth …
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Re: [LINK] Talking about AI

[Janet Hawtin]

It would be nice if we could understand the data from other species. They
do not necessarily speak a language we would recognise but if we had better
fidelity data about the behaviour of other species and ecologies that would
help us to understand the planet, otherwise I think we can be blinded by
our own abstractions like austerity economics and account deficit phobias.

On 22 February 2016 at 12:00, Roger Clarke 
wrote:

> At 11:23 +1030 22/2/16, Glen Turner wrote:
> >The essential argument was between artificial intelligence (John
> >McCarthy, Marvin Minsky, Herbert A Simon, based around MIT, CMU and
> >Stanford SAIL) and computer augmentation of human thought (Vannevar
> >Bush, Douglas Engelbart, based around Stanford's SRI and, later, Xerox
> >PARC). There was some bad blood between the two groups; bear that in
> >mind if you read historical documents.
> >
> >Good Old Fashioned AI is now widely seen as having limited success. The
> >predictions of practitioners of the time now look a little fantastical.
> >Many of the algorithms of the era are today learned and used without
> >the related claims of 'intelligence'.
> >
> >Augmentation of human thought was a dramatic success. The smartphone is
> >pretty much an implementation of Bush and Engelbart's wildest dreams.
>
> All very nicely put.  (What else would I expect??).
>
> I recently repeated my nasty comments about Simon, Minsky & co. (this time
> in the context of drones), and tried yet again with the 'complementary
> intelligence' meme:
> http://www.rogerclarke.com/SOS/Drones-I.html#CSD
>
> >In reaction against the reductionism of decision systems, decision
> support systems emerged. These effectively adopt the position that what
> human decision-makers need is not artificial, humanlike intelligence (which
> is already available in great quantity), but rather an alternative form of
> intelligence that humans exhibit far less, and that can be usefully
> referred to as 'complementary intelligence' (Clarke 1989): "Surely man and
> machine are natural complements: They assist one another" (Wyndham 1932).
> Together, the collaborative whole would be, in the words of Bolter (1986,
> p. 238) 'synthetic intelligence'.
> >
> >To function as a decision support system, however, software must produce
> information useful to human decision-makers (such as analyses of the
> apparent sensitivity of output variables to input variables).
> Alternatively, a decision support system might offer recommended actions,
> together with explanations of the rationale underlying the recommendations.
> But is this feasible?
>
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Re: [LINK] Young Aussies losing ground in digital economy

[Janet Hawtin]

On 25 January 2016 at 13:34, Stephen Loosley 
wrote:
>
>
> Seems like Heston complaining about Food Science / Home Eco being taught
> in schools
> because students may misunderstand the tools, language or recipes and make
> mistakes.
> And, what would Shorten know about teaching Info Tech? Some seem to be
> sucked in by
> politician-simple-speak. Make no mistake the people who design your
> "coding" national
> syllabus will be just as IT-aware as you and us. They will encourage an IT
> empowerment
> by kids creating functioning, and real, IT sugar-scoops. Not simply using
> IT, controlling IT.
> That's what schools are about .. empowering students, including regards
> info technology.


I can't imagine Heston complaining about practical scientific
experimentation by anyone.
It is what inspires him.? It would be great if IT and coding in schools
could take a Heston approach?

Alan Kay is always challenging
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvmTSpJU-Xc

I found it via
GopherCon 2015: Katherine Cox Buday - Simplicity and Go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6mEo_FHZ5Y
Which raises some interesting thoughts about how languages and code
communities grow.

The challenge with learning computing in a forward looking way is that it
largely comes to us as a set of existing and inert tools with a shelflife.
In uni I learned how to use a typesetter at the time when computers were
making them obsolete. I have never seen one since.

It would be good if the kind of learning was able to unpack, question and
think beyond the tools at hand?
This is why the art, science, computing, economics, society intersections
would be nice to look at?
Making board games to challenge or model a real life problem and then
trying that in hardware and code could be an interesting journey?

But experiencing that you yourself can make things, even a sugar scoop or
bread board is also a win
for a society where design with manufacturing is not for the most part, an
observable part of the local economy.

If we would like it to be in order to have local generation and development
of innovation then we need to be able to have support, room, tools, time,
legal space, and confidence to have a go and see things through to
manufacture?
TAFE had a lot of this but needs to reclaim the space and functionality?

Janet
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Re: [LINK] Hate to say it Malcs, but "we told you so"

[Janet Hawtin]

Hi
What is the expected lifetime of the repaired copper v fibre to the
premises?
Janet

On 3 December 2015 at 07:34, Andy Farkas  wrote:

> Professor Rod Tucker does some numbers:
>
>  >
>
> Unfortunately he wrote that before this new leak:
>
> <
> http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/technology/nbn-co-faces-new-network-blowout-bill-on-copper-repair/story-e6frgakx-1227631747650
> >
>
> %%%
> The company building the government’s National Broadband Network is facing
> a $640 million bill to repair and replace parts of the decrepit copper
> network it
> bought from Telstra to underpin the nation’s biggest-ever infrastructure
> project.
>
> Confidential NBN documents obtained by The Australian reveal the company is
> looking at a tenfold blowout on what it originally thought it would cost to
> remediate the old copper network that forms the basis of the Coalition’s
> fibre-to-the-node rollout.
>
> The leaked documents for the first time reveal the cost that the NBN
> will incur
> to fix the copper network it bought from Telstra last year in an $11.2
> billion deal.
>
> NBN expects to spend $26,115 per node to fix Telstra’s copper lines to
> ensure it
> can deliver the speeds and service quality promised for Malcolm Turnbull’s
> mixed-technology network.
>
> The documents make a mockery of the assumptions contained in a 2013
> strategic review, prepared after the Coaliton won power, which put the
> cost of
> remediating copper connections at just $2685 for each node.
>
> Each node is a small fridge-sized, fibre-connected box that sits on
> street corners
> and connects to Telstra’s copper network to ­deliver super-fast
> broadband speeds
> to homes and businesses.
>
> With the NBN planning to build 24,544 nodes by the end of 2019 — each of
> which
> will connect up to 178 premises — the total bill to fix faulty copper
> lines will be
> about $641m. The documents also reveal that a further $520m is ­expected
> to be
> incurred by NBN for connecting “high-cost premises”, which are homes and
> businesses located at unusually large distances from nodes.
>
> The NBN distanced itself from the figures in the documents, saying they
> were a
> draft that had not been endorsed by the executive committee of the company.
>
> A spokesman for the NBN said any costs to remediate the copper network were
> contained in its cost projections for FTTN connections, which come in at
> $2300
> per premise. In comparison, the cost to connect homes and businesses to the
> fibre-to-the-premise network favoured by Labor was $4400 for each site.
>
> Once construction of the NBN is complete in 2020, about 38 per cent of
> homes
> and businesses will be passed by the FTTN network, 20 per cent will be
> passed
> by FTTP and 34 per cent will be passed by what used to be Telstra’s and
> Optus’s
> cable networks.
>
> While the NBN’s technology mix was supposed to be vastly cheaper to deploy,
> the company revealed in August that construction costs would be increased
> to
> between $46bn to $56bn, up from its original estimate of $41bn.
>
> The internal NBN documents warn that download and upload speeds on the
> network could suffer if remediation work is not completed. This would
> create
> additional burdens on connecting premises and hamper timely ­migration to
> the new network.
>
> “(The) state of the copper network is considerably worse than expected,
> leading to extensive work beyond the node,” the documents say.
>
> The documents describe the possibility that the task of fixing the copper
> network could be of a greater magnitude of risk, which is “almost certain”
> to occur.
>
> With remediation works added in, the cost of each node is $244,150 which
> is about 2.3 times the $104,762 price assumed in the 2013 strategic review.
>
> The revelation of the expensive copper remediation costs will raise
> questions
> about the NBN’s due diligence process and disclosures by Telstra when the
> two parties signed their $11.2bn deal for transfer of the copper network.
>
> In August, about eight months after NBN and Telstra signed off on that
> deal,
> NBN chief executive Bill Morrow said the company still did not fully
> know the
> quality of the copper network and how much it would cost to remediate.
>
> “Malcolm Turnbull bought back the copper network John Howard sold and
> remarkably, he didn’t even do his due diligence to see what kind of shape
> it
> was in,” said opposition communications spokesman Jason Clare.
>
> There has been much criticism of the government’s decision to go with FTTN,
> with critics arguing Telstra’s old copper network is too old and rundown to
> deliver the broadband speeds that will be needed in the future.
>
> Despite this, FTTN trials have produced good results for the NBN,
> delivering
> download speeds of 100Mbps and upload speeds of 40Mbps for residents 

Re: [LINK] John Birmingham's Chicken Theory of Copyright

[Janet Hawtin]

Given that KFC tastes very similar to traditional Thai recipes the example
is an interesting choice?

On 14 September 2015 at 18:27, Tom Worthington 
wrote:

> Greetings from the Senate Alcove of Australian Parliament House in
> Canberra, where John Birmingham is speaking on copyright, using on an
> analogy to fast food chicken recipes. This is at an event organized by
> the Copyright Agency, for the launch of the book Copyfight, edited by
> Phillipa McGuinness. The last chapter is "This is How the Future Works"
> by John Birmingham. At the same time we are in the alcove a great
> political drama is unfolding a few dozen meters away, with a challenge
> to Prime Minister Tony Abbott by Malcolm Turnbull, former Minister for
> Communications. I notice that Mr. Turnbull gets two mentions in the book
> "Copyfight" and Mr. Abbot gets none.
>
> Blog post with links:
> http://blog.tomw.net.au/2015/09/john-birminghams-chicken-theory-of.html
>
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Re: [LINK] What Do I tell the Public About Cookies?

[Janet Hawtin]

Isn't that just a war of business models?
Free range advertising v walled garden consumer?
I do not see any relative privacy gains from being internal to a walled
garden?
Do apple allow their consumers to sift or block the privacy intrusions of
their own iApps and advertising?
It doesn't look like it on my mum's iPad?

Perhaps regardless of context it would be nice if there were some ground
rules about agency and privacy?
We will need to tackle agency and privacy in order to live with the
implications
of the internet of things,
which even if it is a walled garden in the product source sense will be
'free range' in terms of being explicitly receptive within our homes and
hopefully subject to limits around 'peace of our possessions'.?
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Re: [LINK] Government wasting $485M on failed eHealth system

[Janet Hawtin]

Use fracking as an example.

Currently I believe doctors are being told they may not report fracking
related illnesses and it is difficult to get data on what chemicals are in
the fluid and in the waste water. There is a lot of money behind fracking.

If you have a health dataset that gives names of doctors and patients what
is the likelihood that those datasets will be edited to please powerful
interests. What impact would that have on doctors' capacity to treat
patients.

If a census type process reports anonymised data both in terms of the
doctor and the patient and diffused as per census data then the overall
statistics could be helpful. ie do not make it a monolithic system.
Separate the personal from the statistical data.  I think in our current
climate having explicit data on the whole nation offers a lot of ongoing
risk.

It would also reduce the cost if you're just having a standard format to
upload abstracted data from clinic data rather than holding everyone's
ongoing medical process online. Perhaps we do this already?? We have a lot
of other things we could do with that money.

CSIRO, Unis, ABC Science and education, retooling TAFE for renewable
technologies, data on ecology and polyculture.
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Re: [LINK] Surviving Climate Change

[Janet Hawtin]

Improbable don't you think?
We are fracking our water infrastructure which underpins everything else.
Fighting bushfire in a landscape with leaking methane and flammable
groundwater is going to be fun.
Our climate is already crispy.
We are largely dependent on things coming in and going out (including stuff
that is breaking the planet anyway)
and do not have good industrial infrastructure and skills locally.
Can we make our own clothes, eco cars/trucks/trains.
How fast could we learn practical skills which would be useful as things
change?
I think these things are a form of denialism


On 15 January 2015 at 21:58, Stephen Loosley stephenloos...@zoho.com
wrote:

 This table shows the vulnerability and readiness of different nations
 around the world to adapt to climate change.


 1Norway
 2New Zealand
 3Sweden
 4Finland
 5Denmark
 6Australia
 7United Kingdom
 8United States
 9Germany
 10   Iceland
 snip
 178 Samoa (etc)


 Ref: University of Notre Dame Global Adaptation Index:
 http://index.gain.org/ranking

 Zoomable Maps:
 http://www.theecoexperts.co.uk/sites/default/files/filemanager/climatechange1.jpg

 The ND-GAIN Index, a project of the University of Notre Dame Global
 Adaptation Index (ND-GAIN), summarizes a country's vulnerability to climate
 change and other global challenges in combination with its readiness to
 improve resilience. It aims to help businesses and the public sector better
 prioritize investments for a more efficient response to the immediate
 global challenges ahead.

 When it comes to the factors measured, vulnerability was split into
 measurements of ecosystem services, food, health, human habitat,
 infrastructure, water, adaptive capacity, exposure and sensitivity.
 Readiness was measured according to three factors - economic, governance,
 and social readiness. The data was collected over 18 years, between 1995
 and 2013, and is based on roughly half a million data points. You can
 download the data in full at the ND-Gain Index website.
 http://index.gain.org/ranking

 With climate change described as one of the greatest challenges of our
 time, the impacts of destructive changes in temperature, rainfall and
 agriculture will affect every country. These findings highlight the need
 for richer, more technologically advanced nations to help less developed
 countries. Ultimately there will be no winners from the effects of climate
 change, every country will be impacted in some way. Just how much depends
 on the decisions made now by world leaders.

 --

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Re: [LINK] Renewable energy 'simply WON'T WORK'

[Janet Hawtin]

imagine if we were spending the money that asio nsa etc use watching people
all the money killing people instead
to collect and connect people doing interesting things with technologies,
ecologies, soil preservation, water remediation
connecting communities with sun or wind or distance or desert with people
exploring ideas which could work in their locale
tackling population through knowing and feeling able to do something about
it

collecting info on biodiversity, on the relations between species
seeing that as real wealth
working to bank that for the future
as a whole system which we share.
it could be a renaissance of learning about the planet
a belated respect for the way species work together
and finding a way to fit
an economics that fits

it frustrates me that $ cannot be more inventive than
weaponising for the rights to soylent green?
how lame is that

I am sorry that your friend died.
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Re: [LINK] Renewable energy 'simply WON'T WORK'

[Janet Hawtin]

 The extreme version of this idea, that the modern industrial world has to
 stop and we need to revert to some imaginary preindustrial pastoral
 existence is even more whacky.  If you really wanted to trash the planet,
 kill a lot of people and upset everyone else that would be a good way to do
 it.


which is why it is insane to remove opportunities for skills in new
technologies
break natural resources
shut down on science and means for people to understand what is happening
around them
and how they can engage constructively in practical solutions.
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Re: [LINK] Gov killing off Australian wind-tower industry

[Janet Hawtin]

thought this presentation on climate and forestry was useful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSIEzq0fofk
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Re: [LINK] What Today's Economic Gloomsayers Are Missing

[Janet Hawtin]

On 19 August 2014 08:41, Kim Holburn k...@holburn.net wrote:


 http://online.wsj.com/articles/joel-mokyr-what-todays-economic-gloomsayers-are-missing-1407536487


  What is wrong with this story? The one-word answer is technology.


Meanwhile in AU cuts to CSIRO, science, renewable energy. Education is just
for profit and not for science or social infrastructure and strategy.
Charging $500 fine per day for businesses that have their own solar. Roads
instead of public transport. Anything retrograde you can think of.

j
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Re: [LINK] Online Copyright Infringement Discussion Paper

[Janet Hawtin]

It doesn't answer the last questions on page 8?
It does not investigate the accuracy/validity of the take down request
Copyright actions are used as a means to censor content.
GetUp are facing one currently
https://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/great-barrier-reef--3/adani-video/someone-wants-to-silence-us-dont-let-them


On 28 July 2014 00:57, Stephen Loosley stephenloos...@outlook.com wrote:




 Australian Government

 Online Copyright Infringement Discussion Paper

 http://media.crikey.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/copyright.pdf

 Responses:  copyrightconsultat...@ag.gov.au  by 25/8/2014

 Cheers,
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Re: [LINK] Reboot ICT teacher training to halt the computing brain drain

[Janet Hawtin]

Maybe there could be room for teachers of one special subject.
Perhaps they could train in a second subject while teaching the first?

I wonder about how kids will learn technical trades and engineering.
In SA the TAFE trade workshops have been gutted of equipment.
They expected kids to learn those at the employer location.
Now the automotive industry is offshored those employers will fold and
there will be no place or people to learn skills which could help
Australia stabilise.
What about electric vehicles.
Renewable energy
New rail technologies
Could Australia bootstrap its own automotive industry and engineering capacity?
Before the people with those skills to teach are lost

Could be room for a range of single skill educators to offer a broader
mesh of education?

On 9 May 2014 13:25, Andy Farkas an...@andyit.com.au wrote:

 http://delimiter.com.au/2014/05/09/reboot-ict-teacher-training-halt-computing-brain-drain/

 I've posted the delimiter version because of this particular bit
 by one of the commenters:

 quote
 BruceH Posted 09/05/2014 at 1:03 pm | Permalink | Reply

 I'm happy to go on the record about this.

 I've not long left a senior role at IT Outsourcer and wanted to
 get out of the race and into teaching/training - so I'm just
 finishing my TAE.

 Just before I left I enquired about teaching at secondary school
 and found out that I would need my Bachelor in Education. No
 problem I thought, 1 year out of the workforce - no biggy for a
 career change. So I went to apply and SURPRISE you need at least
 2 current (within 7 years) bachelor level qualifications as a
 primary and secondary teaching subject. 25 years of experience
 didn't could apparently. Oh, and that MBA - isn't really relevant
 (we then had the I just spent $30K with you to get this qual, so
 it better become relevant conversation - wasn't pretty). Hmmm...
 the year off work is starting to look a lot like 3 - that becomes
 problematic for income.

 So, here is the thing. There are a lot of senior level IT people
 leaving the industry, a lot want to give something back but 3
 years is a long time off work for a career change.

 So, I lamented with a friend over at the DECS (Dept of edu etc)
 and that the learning pathway for teachers looked a lot like it
 was geared up for people to roll out of secondary school, into
 Uni and then get into Teaching on the back of a double Arts degree
 or two. He said that there was an announcement coming that might
 make adult pathways easier because the department were faced with
 an ageing workforce issue, especially with Men leaving within the
 next few years and needed to think a lot outside of the square to
 recruit and my issue was a great opportunity as the IT industry is
 male dominated. (I thought there were some world's aligning)

 So, two weeks later, the Premier, standing with the unions
 announces that SA needs to have the best quality teachers in the
 country, so new teachers will now need a Masters of Education to
 teach at Middle/Secondary school - so that 3 year career break and
 full time study is now 4 years minimum for the two teaching
 subjects and for the Masters of Education - this further bias the
 pathway to those straight out of school with no life skills or
 existing living standards and tends to prevent those with the
 sciences applying because of the extremely high study workload
 required to get 2 degrees,let alone go on and get the teaching
 qualification.

 There are a lot of IT pro's out there who would make excellent
 teachers - but at 4 years off work full time studying, you aren't
 going to get them involved. I have little time when the politics
 of the day suggest teacher shortages because between the pollies
 and the unions - you are ignoring those with decent life experience
 and skills.

 Want to get IT folks (or people with 20 years experience in anything
 really) into teaching, then this is the issue. Fix the pathway, make
 it easy for people to RPL based on experience.
 /quote

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Re: [LINK] web: Queensland technology ranks in disarray

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Not just Queensland perhaps.
The SA technology plan suggested outsourcing IT and having no project
funding no longer than 3 months.
The plan also included only 1 of 5 sections of the overall plan for
public comment.
The rest was TBA.
Perhaps things have changed since but it seemed a high risk with
public data projects having no public long term oversight/understanding.skills.
Projects funded to hit 3 month deliveries rather than long term
strategic outcomes and quality of system.
/imho


On 9 May 2014 08:17, Jan Whitaker jw...@janwhitaker.com wrote:
 Good luck, Queenlanders.

   
 http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/it-pro/government-it/queensland-technology-ranks-in-disarray-20140508-zr711.html




 Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
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Re: [LINK] Apps for medicine not all goodness and light

[Janet Hawtin]

Google and Apple health apps
http://www.theverge.com/2014/1/31/5366242/apple-met-with-the-fda-to-talk-mobile-medical-applications-last-month

FitBit
http://www.livescience.com/40108-fitbit-flex-review.html
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Re: [LINK] Who needs Google Glass?

[Janet Hawtin]

On 30 January 2014 22:10, Frank O'Connor francisoconn...@bigpond.comwrote:

 Yeah, they'd probably be terrific for that ... and I am a bike rider.

 But they'd also be terrific for your average voyeur, and any number of
 other people who want to invade your personal space and privacy for various
 nefarious reasons.  :)

 Hence the probable push for controls over their use, admissibility as
 evidence under certain restricted and controlled circumstances, and a whole
 host of other issues that will need to be ironed out.


In a world of guilt by statistical correlation actual personal video might
be handy?
All of these things depend on which end of the telescope dataset or camera
you're at.
photographer, data owner, subscriber, subject, object,
it is probably the relations that need space rather than the specific tools?

Just my 2 cents worth ...
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Re: [LINK] Who needs Google Glass?

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i thought that cameras for cyclists might help reduce hit and run accidents


On 30 January 2014 18:01, Frank O'Connor francisoconn...@bigpond.comwrote:

 Mmmm ...

 And from memory Kogan and oo.com are advertising these puppies (or
 something very similar) as Spy Glasses - which is probably closer to the
 mark than the 'Sports Replay Glasses' of Aldi. (And a 32GB card would hold
 a hell of a lot of video ... even HD ... for the user.)

 My prediction ... there will be some sort of move to curb the use of these
 puppies 'real soon now'.:)

 Just my 2 cents worth ...
 ---
 On 30 Jan 2014, at 6:07 pm, Jan Whitaker jw...@janwhitaker.com wrote:

 
 https://www.aldi.com.au/en/special-buys/wednesday-05-february-2014/wednesday-detail-wk06/ps/p/hd-action-camera-glasses/
 
  heh
 
 
  Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
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Re: [LINK] The Open Government Partnership

[Janet Hawtin]

On 22 January 2014 19:41, step...@melbpc.org.au wrote:

 Jan writes,

  When a young Aussie *Attorney General* feels we need more public opinion
  for proper law making, and good governance, then by golly I guess we do!
 
  I think the medium varies.. However, if online is the choice, there
  must be another element:  awareness of its existence. How does that
  happen? .. How else do those in govt and public service who want to
  involved the public get their attention? .. I think crossover media
  connections are the key IF there's sites as the means for capturing
  this interaction. People need to be invited to participate. Call me
  cynical (because I am) that until there is a major disruption in the
  type of politics in this country .. most people prefer to sit on the
  sidelines hoping they'll implode.


 Agree completely, Jan. But, I would say, social media can galvanize any
 culture that's ignored, for example China and the Middle East. But what
 would it take for Aussie politicians to respond to we, the public, with
 democratic and effective use of social mediums? Any legislation that is
 widely discussed with the public, will be widely 'owned' by the public.


Air time doesn't necessarily mean something is usefully covered and decided
on.
Refugees are an issue (with secrecy currently making it worse) where
discussion gets railed into fear and badness.

If the government/opposition just needs the numbers it doesn't need
informed debate, just likes.
How do you make it interesting for them to commit to informed debate only
to have a public with diverse thoughts and no binary result.
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Re: [LINK] The Open Government Partnership

[Janet Hawtin]

On 22 January 2014 23:25, step...@melbpc.org.au wrote:

 Janet writes,

  Air time doesn't necessarily mean something is usefully covered and
  decided on. Refugees are an issue (with secrecy currently making it
  worse) where discussion gets railed into fear and badness. If the
  government/opposition just needs the numbers it doesn't need informed
  debate, just likes. How do you make it interesting for them to commit
  to informed debate only to have a public with diverse thoughts and no
  binary result.


 Haha, it seems that you're feeling a little politically pessimistic today?


Just read about people being burned and beaten on boats.
With a block on reporting.
Hard to feel optimistic about where this stuff is taking us.

Yes Getup do useful work but as you say it would be nice if it was
coming from inside the govt.
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Re: [LINK] The Open Government Partnership

[Janet Hawtin]

On 20 January 2014 15:55, step...@melbpc.org.au wrote:

 Janet writes,

  http://www.opengovpartnership.org
 
  One must deplore Australia's achievements in embracing open government.
 
  This happened last year.
  http://www.govhack.org/


 Yes, it's very old news for Link ..


Fair enough


 well organized and run by Pia Waugh.


Yes. If there are specific groups you think have useful data Pia is a good
person to approach.


 However .. she appears a candle in a forest of gloom, in terms of a truly
 open and online Australian government. Over many years, one is reasonably
 well aware of numbers of claims by various governments to present an OPEN
 government. However, this invariably means presenting information regards
 what that particular government is doing. It is NOT a two-way street with
 much if any scope for a genuine involvement of the public.


Open is one of those words which means a lot of different things to
different people?
big data, government data, open data are broad terms.
Some data is personal, geographic, real time, statistical, census, land
use, zoning, health.
To me it helps to be specific because there are different opportunities,
risks, costs, connectivity.

At the SA govhack a team used street data and historical images to make
images available to people in context.
That kind of mashup does mean people can access more about their community
and space.
Perhaps a future version people could add their own images.
That might not be changing government but it would be interacting with
geographic and historical image data.


 The word 'open' entails a *both way* process  involvement by Australians
 in terms of our country, and what we decide for our country in the future.
 Now, the Internet can enable decision-making involvement, in a secure and
 timely fashion.

But when did say your local member use it to reach out to
 you for your ideas, and opinions? Ever? So, they all know what YOU think?


Email works, all of them are available via email
They respond, some of them specifically.
It is before an election in Tas and SA so worth emailing because they are
looking to see which issues people care about.
State planning documents ask for feedback.
Perhaps it would be good if there was a way to find all of the different
kinds of open discussions
Sometimes it can be hard to find them.

We have the tools. True open governance is a two-way process. Trust folk
 to be involved in what Australia does. Do not hide behind a 13th century
 governing structure, with people sitting in the rain collecting petition
 signatures in main street, for our government which will never read them.


What do you have in mind?
(Which aspects of government? What kind of interaction?)
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Re: [LINK] Adverts on govt websites

[Janet Hawtin]

 In April the Gillard government introduced the first trial of
 advertising on a government website on the bureau site for one year.
 --

 Quite a racket, if you ask me.

 Jan


How far is that from privatising those functions?
Perhaps it is a way of outing corporate sponsorship?

Schools and universities are short of funding
That puts us squarely in line for corporatisation of education?

If the companies are multinational does that have an impact on what AU
governance means?
I believe TPP means governments can not act in ways which impact corporate
profit
even for social or ecological reasons.
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Re: [LINK] The Open Government Partnership

[Janet Hawtin]

On 20 January 2014 22:03, step...@melbpc.org.au wrote:

 Janet writes,

  http://www.opengovpartnership.org
 
  One must deplore Australia's achievements in embracing open government.

 We have the tools. True open governance is a two-way process. Trust folk
 to be involved in what Australia does. Do not hide behind a 13th century
 governing structure, with people sitting in the rain collecting petition
 signatures in main street, for our government which will never read them

 Any and all kinds of open government interactions. For example here below
 is the FIRST Mission Statement for an Open Government Partnership and for
 which Australia has signed on for, and, plans to fully join in April 2014.

 http://www.opengovpartnership.org/about/mission-and-goals

 Mission And Goals: (Quote)

 The Open Government Partnership’s vision is that more governments become
 sustainably more transparent, more accountable, and more responsive to
 their own citizens, with the ultimate goal of improving the quality of
 governance, as well as the quality of services that citizens receive.

 This will require a shift in norms and culture to ensure genuine dialogue
 and collaboration between governments and civil society.

 OGP aspires to support both government and civil society reformers by
 elevating open government to the highest levels of political discourse..
 (End quote)

 If government departments are sponsored by and cannot act against private
profits
then we do have dialogue with government if we buy products. =)
Perhaps it would mean that companies might take more 'interest'
in longer term social and environmental priorities =)
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Re: [LINK] Adverts on govt websites

[Janet Hawtin]

On 21 January 2014 10:38, Janet Hawtin ja...@hawtin.net.au wrote:


 In April the Gillard government introduced the first trial of
 advertising on a government website on the bureau site for one year.
 --

 Quite a racket, if you ask me.

 Jan


 How far is that from privatising those functions?
 Perhaps it is a way of outing corporate sponsorship?

 Schools and universities are short of funding
 That puts us squarely in line for corporatisation of education?

 If the companies are multinational does that have an impact on what AU
 governance means?
 I believe TPP means governments can not act in ways which impact corporate
 profit
 even for social or ecological reasons.


hypothetically

if TPP plus corporate sponsorship of different aspects of government
then what happens re competition?
eg. one company profits causing another company to lose profits.

The small print of the TPP must be interesting.

Stephen you could have big brother or masterchef selection of policies
and sponsors. Universal franchise moves to universal franchise =).
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Re: [LINK] The Open Government Partnership

[Janet Hawtin]

On 19 January 2014 21:01, step...@melbpc.org.au wrote:

 http://www.opengovpartnership.org

 One must deplore Australia's achievements in embracing open government.


This happened last year.
http://www.govhack.org/
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Re: [LINK] Equivalency: technology yesterday and today

[Janet Hawtin]

On 18 January 2014 14:32, step...@melbpc.org.au wrote:

 Frank writes,

  And God knows what a single, probably wearable, device will integrate by
  way of functions and applications in 10-20 years time. If it's something
  like Google Glass, with inbuilt headphones and other high res output
  capabilities it could include the dedicated PC with a few terabytes of
  storage and a heavy duty 64-cored CPU in the glasses rims ... and less
  connected to our immediate surroundings than we are at present thanks
  to these little wonders.


digital migration ... of sharks
Western Australian Surf Lifesaving tweet shark locations
http://surflifesavingwa.com.au/

thought that was cool. they might need an app for that
so they can show clouds of them in location rather than individuals
but perhaps the frequency is all ok for tweeting.

j
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Re: [LINK] Australian online news history

[Janet Hawtin]

Hi folks

This is not Australian but thought it might be interesting:
Phila. woman's 35-year TV news archive to be digitized, made public
http://archiveslive.ning.com/profiles/blog/show?id=6334236%3ABlogPost%3A56731xgs=1xg_source=msg_share_post
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Re: [LINK] Big Data - bad or otherwise

[Janet Hawtin]

Here is an education student data proposal.
Apologies if this has already been linked.
Building a Student Data Infrastructure: Privacy, Transparency and the Gates
Foundation-Funded inBloom
http://hackeducation.com/2013/02/10/inbloom-student-data-privacy-security-transparency/


On 16 January 2014 13:05, step...@melbpc.org.au wrote:

 Jim writes,

  Fine the car, not the driver?
 
  Perhaps, not as stupid as it sounds...
 
  - Jim


 Yes. In the Philippines, some major intersections have red-light cameras
 that record, and recognize, the number plates of red-light transgressors.

 Then when the annual registration fees are paid, these can include fines
 if the car has broken the law. Everyone knows this, and it seems to work.


  On 16 January 2014 09:43, Bernard Robertson-Dunn b...@iimetro.com.au
 wrote:
 
   On 16/01/2014 2:19 AM, step...@melbpc.org.au wrote:
  
Because of the GPS units installed in Ford vehicles, Ford knows when
 its
drivers are speeding, and where they are, while they’re doing it.
   
Farley was trying to describe how much data Ford has on its
 customers,
   and
illustrate the fact that the company uses very little of it in order
 to
avoid raising privacy concerns: We know everyone who breaks the law,
 we
know when you’re doing it. We have GPS in your car, so we know what
   you’re
doing. By the way, we don’t supply that data to anyone, he told
   attendees.
  
   To be pedantic (and correct), Ford knows what the car is doing, they
   don't know who is driving. It's the same with phone tracking. If there
   are two people in the car - who is driving and who is on the phone?
 Even
   it both phones are being used that does not prove (it only suggests)
   both people are on the phone.
  
   --
  
   Regards
   brd
  
   Bernard Robertson-Dunn
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Re: [LINK] Big Data - bad or otherwise

[Janet Hawtin]

On 17 January 2014 16:22, step...@melbpc.org.au wrote:

 Janet writes,

  http://hackeducation.com/2013/02/10/inbloom-student-data-privacy-
 security-transparency/



 So, as this link notes, the reasonably widely respected do-good Gates
 Foundation is now also involved in the creation/promotion of opensource
 education-data software infrastructures. https://www.inbloom.org


The only charity I know which collects (health) patents .. with minimised
tax.
I know I am a sceptic.  =)


 But, from personal experience, any such software for education could well
 be very useful. So time will tell if this is simply a grab for the entire
 education/school big data records of a generation of young people, or one
 useful, private  secure education record-keeping software infrastructure.


Education of students and their personal data reduced to statistics for
easy administration
sounds to me like a profit at the wrong end of the telescope and a loss at
the end of the student/family.


 Thus, I would suggest Aussie schools etc NOT jump on board quite just yet,
 as this link writer also 'suggests' regarding our children's edu-big-data.



 Haimson also cites concerns about privacy and security in the cloud, as
 schools move their data storage and servers from a local to a virtualized
 environment, pointing to inBloom’s privacy and security policies that state
 that the company “cannot guarantee the security of the information stored
 in inBloom or that the information will not be intercepted when it is being
 transmitted.” “I wonder if NY state and the other states involved realize
 that they may be vulnerable for multi-million dollar class action lawsuits
 if and when this highly sensitive data leaks out,” Haimson wrote in a
 recent blog post, “especially since Gates and inBloom appear to have
 disclaimed all responsibility for its safety.” ..


It is interesting where the liabilities fall.
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Re: [LINK] Big Data - bad or otherwise

[Janet Hawtin]

On 15 January 2014 18:43, step...@melbpc.org.au wrote:


 The main issue imho appears to be, how granulated any big data regarding
 humans is allowed to remain. That is, big data with individual names, or
 phone numbers is very granulated. It allows an individual identification.
 And perhaps, as Bernard notes, incorrect conclusions regarding such folk,
 hence as Jan notes, unfair and incorrect, NSA no-fly list conditions. It
 will lead to unfair personal  group discrimination in all sorts of ways.

 Big data is *not* inherently bad in and of itself. It all depends on how
 secure and private those big data records are stored and handled, and if
 that big data is de-personalized. And finally how much respect generally
 is shown for the individual human statistics/datum that is the big data.


It is an investment looking for a return.
It is a magical word covering all kinds of data collection.
Climate data and personal health data are not the same thing
but now there is a term which paints them the same colour.
It just looks like we are selecting for dependence on mass investment in
data harvesting.
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Re: [LINK] selling the furniture-- in Detroit

[Janet Hawtin]

On 28 December 2013 02:47, step...@melbpc.org.au wrote:

 Frank writes,

   something has to be done to stop the erosion of our infrastructure,
  assets, lifestyle and standard of living as governments 'sell of off the
  farm' to cater to current cash demands necessitated by the politics of
  selfishness that's been endemic for the last 25 years..

 Thanks Frank.

 Good points regarding privatization, made in a powerful, persuasive manner.

 Yet, according to recent media reports, Australia and NZ leads the world
 in privatization $$


Is this not part of the problem?
If Australia is generating world leading cash flow to external companies
from its infrastructure then is it not being mined for profit and not
designed for optimal
infrastructure for the wider economy/business/community to use as bedrock
to build from?
If Australian infrastructure capacity now and future is not the primary
goal of a private utility
how do we make systems which do prioritise Australian infrastructure
capacity and service delivery.
Profit in those utilities is not bad, it is just not the main purpose.
Profit which is not extracted could feed better service delivery?


Eg, only privatize industries that can compete. A problem is that public
assets like toll roads, airports and rail systems tend to be monopolies or
quasi-monopolies. Any potential benefits of competition are extremely hard
or impossible. So in such situations careful regulation is essential. Sure
it's tough to fine-tune such laws, but, both a competition AND regulation
vacuum will obviously be a cash-cow enemy to our longer-term public good.

*The central point is, Australian governments should NOT be allowed to use
privatization as an expedient source of funds*

This report below seems to sum up the Au privatization situation very well:


Growth 50: Privatisation: A Review of the Australian Experience

Privatisation in Australia is bringing mixed results, this report argues.

Private ownership with regulation is one option. In other cases government
ownership may better achieve society's objectives. But neither option is
perfect - this is the fundamental privatisation trade-off.

Most contributors to the report agree that privatisation is beneficial when
it results in private firms operating in a competitive market. But
contentious issues can arise when natural monopoly assets are privatised.

The crux of the privatisation debate lies in those areas where markets may
not achieve the desired objectives. In some areas competition may not be
viable; in other areas private incentives may not match public welfare
criteria.

While there are still many government assets which could be sold, many of
these assets provide services which are not profit-making. These sectors
are more likely to involve private sector participation through long-term
contracts, rather than divestment. However governments will need to improve
their skills in designing and managing such contracts in order to attract
private capital into these areas.

The report also notes that:

* The overall verdict on privatisation from a consumer perspective is one
of mixed success, with insufficient attention to consumer outcomes.

Who is the consumer. The investor or the Australian infrastructure?

* Governments are grappling with needs for a new or extended accountability
model when monopoly business activities are privatised.

Private companies also can be monopolies. That does not seem to be
something to be concerned about?

* Governments should not be allowed to use privatisation as an expedient
source of funds.

Private entities buying in would be using  their investments as a source of
funds.
Why would it be ad for a government to make use of all its resources
especially for service delivery and infrastructure?
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Re: [LINK] Wireless Broadband for Regional Australia

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yup..
64 here and feel the same
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Re: [LINK] Wireless Broadband for Regional Australia

[Janet Hawtin]

The infrastructure we have now for roads, power, sewage, water, phone, rail.
It was established looking forwards. We have not moved onwards from that
investment.
How much of that infrastructure is still shiny where you are?

If kids could talk about connectivity and what they imagined it might be
like..
if your grandkids had work, learn, play, household, science, peer to peer
communities, aspirations for their digital access and expression how would
they describe it.

It would be a shame if they all had to huddle at the exchange with laptops,
phones,
whatever the next devices will be, trying to get an edge on a share of
wireless capacity
provided by imaginations which could not quite reach the distance.

Perhaps that is the next big thing.
Kid-built rotundas in the parks for the digitally homeless generation(s)
trying to access the best line of sight on the exchange.
It is a joke but not in the funny way.

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Re: [LINK] A security question

[Janet Hawtin]

Where do security/privacy overlap?
Who decides?


On 19 December 2013 11:02, Scott Howard sc...@doc.net.au wrote:

 On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Roger Clarke roger.cla...@xamax.com.au
 wrote:

  NAB's 'solution' for such customers is to set a bank-imposed (not
  customer-selected) daily transaction ceiling ($2500), and preclude
  use of Internet Banking for overseas data transfers.
 

 They also offer a number of other options for such transfers, including
 fax/phone-based authentication/confirmation for transfers that allow for
 amounts up to $1 million (or potentially more).

 You can also use BPay to transfer up to $2 million (presuming the
 destination accepts it, of course).

 And finally it is (or at least, was) possible to increase the $2,500 limit
 to something a little higher - it just involves filling in some paperwork.
  My non-SMS limit is set to $10,000.

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Re: [LINK] Security 'vs.' Privacy [Was Re: A security question

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On 19 December 2013 11:35, Roger Clarke roger.cla...@xamax.com.au wrote:

 At 11:09 +1030 19/12/13, Janet Hawtin wrote:
 Where do security/privacy overlap?

 Reject the 'you can have security or privacy - choose one' mythology.


I am playing an online computer game.
It used to have trouble with bot players distorting the economy.
It does not now. Other players said that the game can now check if the
computer is running a bot through the Windows desktop.
I thought that was interesting.

Facebook.
Political parties have people liking them or not.
Campaigns for civil rights, through Facebook and other sites.
People liking companies and products.
Music, film, books
each other

Twitter
ongoing opinions and connections

Phone apps
pick a topic..

Customised search results.

Meanwhile cases are being fought to have evidence in camera for motorbike
groups.
TPP is conducted secretly.
How much of UN or WIPO is accessible publically.

imho people are becoming transparent
systems government and corporate interests have the means and leverage to
secure privacy.
that changes the balance of rights
companies are not people
that used to mean rights for people allowed for civil rights.
what does it mean now?

voting is private
what does that mean now if everything outside the ballot box is transparent
what were the reasons for political privacy, how does democracy tilt
without it

i think the public and private spheres are getting different pressures on
security/privacy
i don't think we are talking about the both of them in context and what
they mean in terms of power differential/right of way.
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Re: [LINK] Security 'vs.' Privacy [Was Re: A security question

[Janet Hawtin]

if n entities(individuals and companies) have effectively infinite wealth
leverage and privacy
why would transparent civil groups have an impact if the law can be changed
through secret trade agreements (dmca)
and governments do not resist private priorities.

people learn from what happens to those who seek change
eg. what happens to whistle blowers?

if change is possible it needs to address $ and other leverage.
do the entities who have the leverage want it to change?
what would make change attractive to those entities?


On 19 December 2013 13:04, Roger Clarke roger.cla...@xamax.com.au wrote:

 Great stuff Janet!

 Join an appropriate Committee or Board of APF, or EFA, and multiply
 your and our impacts.

 http://www.privacy.org.au/About/Contacts.html
 http://www.efa.org.au

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 At 12:22 +1030 19/12/13, Janet Hawtin wrote:
 On 19 December 2013 11:35, Roger Clarke
 mailto:roger.cla...@xamax.com.auroger.cla...@xamax.com.au wrote:

 At 11:09 +1030 19/12/13, Janet Hawtin wrote:
 Where do security/privacy overlap?

 Reject the 'you can have security or privacy - choose one' mythology.


 I am playing an online computer game.

 It used to have trouble with bot players distorting the economy.

 It does not now. Other players said that the game can now check if
 the computer is running a bot through the Windows desktop.

 I thought that was interesting.

 Facebook.

 Political parties have people liking them or not.

 Campaigns for civil rights, through Facebook and other sites.

 People liking companies and products.

 Music, film, books

 each other

 Twitter

 ongoing opinions and connections

 Phone apps

 pick a topic..


 Customised search results.

 Meanwhile cases are being fought to have evidence in camera for
 motorbike groups.

 TPP is conducted secretly.

 How much of UN or WIPO is accessible publically.

 imho people are becoming transparent

 systems government and corporate interests have the means and
 leverage to secure privacy.

 that changes the balance of rights

 companies are not people

 that used to mean rights for people allowed for civil rights.

 what does it mean now?

 voting is private

 what does that mean now if everything outside the ballot box is transparent

 what were the reasons for political privacy, how does democracy tilt
 without it

 i think the public and private spheres are getting different
 pressures on security/privacy

 i don't think we are talking about the both of them in context and
 what they mean in terms of power differential/right of way.


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Re: [LINK] Security 'vs.' Privacy [Was Re: A security question

[Janet Hawtin]

On 19 December 2013 13:22, Roger Clarke roger.cla...@xamax.com.au wrote:

 Better still, Janet, please start 'Privacy and Freedom Underground'.

 With those insights, you can do the activist stuff that us stuffy
 suits have to stay away from in order to seem respectable  (:-)}


A few 'underground' people against infinite leverage ..

Public opinion en masse might be effective
but we learn civics in the existing system
the NSA has not prompted response en masse
i am not sure what will
i don't have that kind of background.
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Re: [LINK] Security 'vs.' Privacy

[Janet Hawtin]

On 19 December 2013 17:24, step...@melbpc.org.au wrote:

 Janet writes,

  the planet is a finite interwoven system of reciprocity, interdependence

 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can
 change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has. Margaret Mead

 And, Little nails hold the hinges of history Bismark


true


 Janet, in terms of the Internet, all our IETF guys and gals 'run' things.
 And IETF folk are 'really' pissed at NSA morons screwing with their baby.


Please, have some faith :)


yep shutting up now =)


 Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) www.ietf.org

 A Large open international community of network designers, operators,
 vendors, and researchers concerned with the evolution of the Internet.

 IETF News: The IETF reaches broad consensus to improve the security of
 Internet protocols to respond to pervasive surveillance

 Compared with the world IETF, the NSA is just a tiny group of criminals.





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Re: [LINK] Robert X Cringely on the future of the smartphone and desktop - as seen by Apple.

[Janet Hawtin]

Hypothetical:

MS has a goodly amount of shares in Apple so perhaps they just think it is
just time for them to not run competing products from the same portfolio?



On 25 September 2013 15:13, Bernard Robertson-Dunn b...@iimetro.com.auwrote:

 Successful companies never get beaten or overtaken on their own turf -
 think mainframes and IBM, Kodak and film.

 Now it could be Microsoft's turn.

 http://www.cringely.com/2013/09/19/the-secret-of-ios-7/

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Re: [LINK] New proposal for e-voting - Turnbull

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On 10 September 2013 15:58, Jan Whitaker jw...@janwhitaker.com wrote:

 [We didn't hear a thing about it this time, even for disabled access.
 What happened to the 'next big thing'? I'd be interested in Linkers'
 view of the security of evoting now - have things changed or is
 Diebold still sus?]


 http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/lets-ditch-the-paper-ballots-and-go-electric-malcolm-turnbull-20130910-2thiy.html



NSA?

I don't think there is anything especially borked about the senate model.
If you vote below the line the preferences go where you say.

If the parties are required to be transparent then we have the information
about what they aim to represent.
Perhaps people should be required to have some kind of declared position -
some seemed to be a bit hard to find info on.

Perhaps people who want to run should incorporate a party and be active in
the community for 6 months or a year minimum before running so that they
have some 'form'. This might avoid lots of trivial nominations.

It has to be simple enough to not be an obstacle for new entrants and folks
without a lot of money or from culturally diverse communities etc.

I do not mind that there are shooters, outdoors, fishers, sex, drug reform
etc. they are at least something specific.
they are ideas which are of interest to our community. people chose them.

the outdoors kinds of groups have a connection to our environment. climate
change will break the ecologies which underpin their stated interest. sex
and drug reform, are social perspectives. hemp might be a crop which is
resilient and has useful fibre and is tall so may have roots which when
cropped return nitrogen to the soil? perhaps an opportunity..

motorsports - as a group of people with experience in tweaking vehicles
this community could help us find new kinds of car. is it possible to have
mashups and hackadays with solar challenge vehicle folk, new fuels, and
motor sports from different perspectives - if we invented an AU car for
today what would it look like?

pirate party and wikileaks speak to us about the way we think about
information media and technology. we do have obstacles in these areas.
there is contention between the public interest and other entities. if law
is protecting an old model at the expense of our ability to move forward or
human rights violations then it needs to be reconsidered? are there
constructive paths forward?

at this point in time it might be helpful to have people thinking about
single issues. they show us facets of ourselves which people care about and
we can see how they fit into the climate change issue.

perhaps the main parties did not have something clear to say on issues that
people care about. perhaps they will next time?

j
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