Re: Linux ready for the desktop: IBM
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003, Matt Zimmerman wrote: Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:06:03 -0500 From: Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Linux on 390 Port [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Linux ready for the desktop: IBM On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 07:30:39PM +0800, John Summerfield wrote: On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 08:40:23AM +0800, John Summerfield wrote: IMV it would be a Good Thing for IBM to ensure all its Windows desktop software runs under WINE. I'm sure the WINE project would welcome the input, and I'm sure that IBM has the expertise to resolve any problems, whether by changing WINE or by changing its own software. I'm sure there's a Microsoft lawyer somewhere salivating over that possibility. Why? Given that Microsoft's partners have been restricted from even _distributing_ competing software under other circumstances, I would assume that they also considered the possibility of developing software to directly challenge their market position. IBM has had such software since in bought Lotus in 1994, maybe before: DB2 and ICS come to mind. -- Cheers John. Join the Linux Support by Small Businesses list at http://mail.computerdatasafe.com.au/mailman/listinfo/lssb Copyright John Summerfield. Reproduction prohibited.
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Re: Free love? What have I been missing?
-Original Message- From: Phil Payne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I've lain in the bath a few times over the last few months (no smart remarks - usually I shower) and contemplated the idea of free software. I've come to the conclusion that it's inevitable and unavoidable, and the main reason is the proliferation of development platorms. Its inevitable as the abstraction gets further away from the machine. In the days when the OS was essentially a re-entrant program loader and CPU power was limited there was money to be had down at this level. Now that CPU power and the OS have dropped down the food chain and are essentially commodity items it isn't possible the same kind of profit on them. I used to work at the University in Manchester, in which there is a Whitworth building. Before Whitworth came along people made nuts and bolts by hand, a high cost operation, proprietary occupation. Once he introduced a machine to automate the cutting of threads in a repeatable, high quality, way the hand cutting industry was doomed. The open, standard way of producing displaced the proprietary. I see the software industry in the same way. Internet communications are not secure and therefore the Barclays Group does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. Although the Barclays Group operates anti-virus programmes, it does not accept responsibility for any damage whatsoever that is caused by viruses being passed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Barclays Group. Replies to this email may be monitored by the Barclays Group for operational or business reasons.
Re: Free love? What have I been missing?
Phil, My grandfather on my father's side started a second family at 61 and lived to be 90. My father stared his family in his 30's. Family tradition has is that my grandfather was a blacksmith who became a car mechanic. I'm not sure how accurate the family story is but it is a good story. One has to adapt in our profession as my grandfather did in his. Programmer's should get out of the technical end of thing by the time the are 30 if they want to follow the path the statistics say the more successful of us follow. Paul Hanrahan
Re: OT: Replacing Win NT machines
My thanks to those who responded with the info. For the sake of clarity, I wanted a way to replace the entire lot. I know the latest version of Samba will let me do the PDC/BDC stuff, but I didn't know how to replace the client workstations. My thanks also to those who contacted me offline, especially the memory jog about how Solaris does it. I can look that up in my Solaris course material. (I'd forgotten about it). I'll have a shufty at the info everyone's given me. Again, many thanks. Rod
Re: SuSE SLES8 SP3 ISO images
Other than downloading all the files individually is there another way to get SP3 ?. Regards Gerard -Original Message- From: Hall, Ken (IDS ECCS) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 November 2003 04:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SuSE SLES8 SP3 ISO images For those of you with SuSE maintenance contracts, the SP3 ISO images are available from their support site: http://sdb.suse.de/en/psdb/html/ef83f958af36a92fda2298ec03e3c87b.html __ For information about the Standard Bank group visit our web site www.standardbank.co.za __ Disclaimer and confidentiality note Everything in this e-mail and any attachments relating to the official business of Standard Bank Group Limited is proprietary to the group. It is confidential, legally privileged and protected by law. Standard Bank does not own and endorse any other content. Views and opinions are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of the group. The person addressed in the e-mail is the sole authorised recipient. Please notify the sender immediately if it has unintentionally reached you and do not read, disclose or use the content in any way. Standard Bank can not assure that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that it is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. ___
Re: SuSE SLES8 SP3 ISO images
Not directly from SuSE without a maintenance contract. If you DO have a contract, the links to the ISO images are just a little bit down the page, just under Indications. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ceruti, Gerard G Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 7:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] SuSE SLES8 SP3 ISO images Other than downloading all the files individually is there another way to get SP3 ?. Regards Gerard -Original Message- From: Hall, Ken (IDS ECCS) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 November 2003 04:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SuSE SLES8 SP3 ISO images For those of you with SuSE maintenance contracts, the SP3 ISO images are available from their support site: http://sdb.suse.de/en/psdb/html/ef83f958af36a92fda2298ec03e3c87b.html __ For information about the Standard Bank group visit our web site www.standardbank.co.za __ Disclaimer and confidentiality note Everything in this e-mail and any attachments relating to the official business of Standard Bank Group Limited is proprietary to the group. It is confidential, legally privileged and protected by law. Standard Bank does not own and endorse any other content. Views and opinions are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of the group. The person addressed in the e-mail is the sole authorised recipient. Please notify the sender immediately if it has unintentionally reached you and do not read, disclose or use the content in any way. Standard Bank can not assure that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that it is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. __ _
Re: SuSE SLES8 SP3 ISO images
Thanks Ken It pays to read the complete page before running off. Thanks Gerard -Original Message- From: Hall, Ken (IDS ECCS) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 November 2003 03:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SuSE SLES8 SP3 ISO images Not directly from SuSE without a maintenance contract. If you DO have a contract, the links to the ISO images are just a little bit down the page, just under Indications. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ceruti, Gerard G Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 7:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] SuSE SLES8 SP3 ISO images Other than downloading all the files individually is there another way to get SP3 ?. Regards Gerard -Original Message- From: Hall, Ken (IDS ECCS) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 November 2003 04:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SuSE SLES8 SP3 ISO images For those of you with SuSE maintenance contracts, the SP3 ISO images are available from their support site: http://sdb.suse.de/en/psdb/html/ef83f958af36a92fda2298ec03e3c87b.html __ For information about the Standard Bank group visit our web site www.standardbank.co.za __ Disclaimer and confidentiality note Everything in this e-mail and any attachments relating to the official business of Standard Bank Group Limited is proprietary to the group. It is confidential, legally privileged and protected by law. Standard Bank does not own and endorse any other content. Views and opinions are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of the group. The person addressed in the e-mail is the sole authorised recipient. Please notify the sender immediately if it has unintentionally reached you and do not read, disclose or use the content in any way. Standard Bank can not assure that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that it is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. __ _ __ For information about the Standard Bank group visit our web site www.standardbank.co.za __ Disclaimer and confidentiality note Everything in this e-mail and any attachments relating to the official business of Standard Bank Group Limited is proprietary to the group. It is confidential, legally privileged and protected by law. Standard Bank does not own and endorse any other content. Views and opinions are those of the sender unless clearly stated as being that of the group. The person addressed in the e-mail is the sole authorised recipient. Please notify the sender immediately if it has unintentionally reached you and do not read, disclose or use the content in any way. Standard Bank can not assure that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that it is free of errors, virus, interception or interference. ___
Re: Free love? What have I been missing?
A more recent example is in the model railroading field. Not many years ago, command control systems for model trains were all proprietary, with several manufacturers offering their own systems. Then an open standard system was introduced, and now the proprietary systems have disappeared from the market in North America. There are now many more businesses supplying open standard command control systems and accessories, with lower prices than before, and a much bigger market as a result. -Original Message- From: Colin Walls [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 3:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Free love? What have I been missing? -Original Message- From: Phil Payne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I've lain in the bath a few times over the last few months (no smart remarks - usually I shower) and contemplated the idea of free software. I've come to the conclusion that it's inevitable and unavoidable, and the main reason is the proliferation of development platorms. Its inevitable as the abstraction gets further away from the machine. In the days when the OS was essentially a re-entrant program loader and CPU power was limited there was money to be had down at this level. Now that CPU power and the OS have dropped down the food chain and are essentially commodity items it isn't possible the same kind of profit on them. I used to work at the University in Manchester, in which there is a Whitworth building. Before Whitworth came along people made nuts and bolts by hand, a high cost operation, proprietary occupation. Once he introduced a machine to automate the cutting of threads in a repeatable, high quality, way the hand cutting industry was doomed. The open, standard way of producing displaced the proprietary. I see the software industry in the same way. Internet communications are not secure and therefore the Barclays Group does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. Although the Barclays Group operates anti-virus programmes, it does not accept responsibility for any damage whatsoever that is caused by viruses being passed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Barclays Group. Replies to this email may be monitored by the Barclays Group for operational or business reasons. __ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient or delegate is strictly prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. The integrity and security of this message cannot be guaranteed on the Internet. The Sender accepts no liability for the content of this e-mail, or for the consequences of any actions taken on the basis of the information provided. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The sender accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. This disclaimer is the property of the TTC and must not be altered or circumvented in any manner.
Re: SCO Vs IBM
OK, Peter, now tell me how I'm supposed to get any work done today! Great link, thanks. Cheers,,,Steve -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peter Webb, Toronto Transit Commission If you want to wallow in the mud, quotes from SCO. http://www.anerispress.com/wltsim/
Going from Full Volume to Minidisks
Hello, Up until now, I have been dedicating entire 3390 volumes for my linux ROOT. Now I want to switch to minidisks so that I can share the DASD between multiple Linux Instances. I would normally use DDR in VM to clone my Image, but DDR is a byte-by-byte copy. Can I copy from a full volume to a minidisk using DDR?, is there a better way? Thanks Gene
Re: Going from Full Volume to Minidisks
Gene, Is your minidisk going to be a full volume? If so, then there is no need to do anything. Just change the directory entry to use an MDISK statement where the starting cylinder is 0 and the ending cylinder is END. This assumes that you are using CDL formatted Linux volumes. I doubt that there is any way to use DDR to copy a Linux volume unless the receiving DASD is identical to the source DASD (I.e. the same type of DASD and the same number of tracks). I have copied three full volume 3390-1 formatted Linux volumes onto three different MDISKs contained on a single 3390-3 volume. But that is because a -3 has three times the cylinders as a -1. So I just stacked them. If you want to resize your Linux DASD, then you will need to create new MDISKs for the new DASD, format it under Linux and copy it under Linux. I am not aware of any VM level way to resize a Linux filesystem DASD. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer UICI Insurance Center Applications Solutions Team +1.817.255.3225 This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and its' content is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this transmission, or taking any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. -Original Message- From: Gene Walters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 9:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Going from Full Volume to Minidisks Hello, Up until now, I have been dedicating entire 3390 volumes for my linux ROOT. Now I want to switch to minidisks so that I can share the DASD between multiple Linux Instances. I would normally use DDR in VM to clone my Image, but DDR is a byte-by-byte copy. Can I copy from a full volume to a minidisk using DDR?, is there a better way? Thanks Gene
Re: Going from Full Volume to Minidisks
I would normally use DDR in VM to clone my Image, but DDR is a byte-by-byte copy. Can I copy from a full volume to a minidisk using DDR? Sure, if they are the same size or you know for certain what cylinders the data actually resides on, DDR will work fine. DDR can't tell the difference between real volumes and minidisks. is there a better way? Since you're probably also going to want to make some other changes in the layout (ie, shared /usr, etc) in the process of optimizing for VM, I'd suggest building a new template system on minidisks and using that as your cloning source. Also see me other note about using directory profiles to help organize things a little easier. -- db
SCO Vs IBM
Looks like some of the 'evidence' given to IBM by SCO was the result of a google search. This is pathetic. http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20031119041719640
Re: SCO Vs IBM
On Thu, 2003-11-20 at 10:52, James Melin wrote: Looks like some of the 'evidence' given to IBM by SCO was the result of a google search. This is pathetic. Given the quality of SCO's, ah, evidence so far, they're clearly not hoping to win this case on its merits. So here's my question: What does it cost to buy a judge these days? Is that amount large or small compared to a $3B judgment? What if your under-the-table arrangement is for a percentage of the gross, as it is with your lawyers? Although, if that's your play, why bother to hire good lawyers? And really, I thought Boies et al. were supposed to be at least *competent*; if the best they can do (they *do*, after all, have the budget to hire adequate technical consultants) is a couple hours' worth of hacking together find and grep scripts, and then appending a Google query, why are they worth millions and millions of dollars? It's all very bizarre. Adam
Re: SCO Vs IBM
I doubt that SCO would try to buy the judge, but they may have been able to pick a judge that knows little about computers. In fact from what I have seen most judges know nothing about computers. Even with such poor evidence it may be hard for IBM to disprove the allegations. The attempt at showing what has been appropriated may be enough for the judge to see this as due diligence. -Original Message- From: Adam Thornton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 9:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SCO Vs IBM On Thu, 2003-11-20 at 10:52, James Melin wrote: Looks like some of the 'evidence' given to IBM by SCO was the result of a google search. This is pathetic. Given the quality of SCO's, ah, evidence so far, they're clearly not hoping to win this case on its merits. So here's my question: What does it cost to buy a judge these days? Is that amount large or small compared to a $3B judgment? What if your under-the-table arrangement is for a percentage of the gross, as it is with your lawyers? Although, if that's your play, why bother to hire good lawyers? And really, I thought Boies et al. were supposed to be at least *competent*; if the best they can do (they *do*, after all, have the budget to hire adequate technical consultants) is a couple hours' worth of hacking together find and grep scripts, and then appending a Google query, why are they worth millions and millions of dollars? It's all very bizarre. Adam
Re: SCO Vs IBM
-Original Message- From: Fargusson.Alan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SCO Vs IBM I doubt that SCO would try to buy the judge, but they may have been able to pick a judge that knows little about computers. In fact from what I have seen most judges know nothing about computers. Even with such poor evidence it may be hard for IBM to disprove the allegations. The attempt at showing what has been appropriated may be enough for the judge to see this as due diligence. I thought it was still up to the accuser to prove the accusation. Not for the defender to disprove it. Granted, in civil law, it is preponderance of the evidence not beyond a reasonable doubt, so the burden is not as onerous on the claimant. I did read the article, but I don't think that listing just about everything in the kernel is due diligence. Especially the weasel words may or may not. Or like the police telling the thief: We say you stole some articles. You're the one who stole the stuff, so if you tell us what you took, we'll write up the arrest warrant based on that. BLECH! -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer UICI Insurance Center Applications Solutions Team +1.817.255.3225 This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and its' content is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this transmission, or taking any action based on it, is strictly prohibited.
Re: Linux CDL pack and RVA free space collection.
Thanks, Scott. That is as I suspected. With MVS periodic DDSR, the VTOC is interrogated and space on the RVA is freed based on the VTOC map. So, its absolutely essential that you do not run DDSR on these packs (VM or Linux CDL). Would that the developers had used a VTOC that showed the pack 100% full and we would have no problem. = Jim Sibley Implementor of Linux on zSeries in the beautiful Silicon Valley Computer are useless.They can only give answers. Pablo Picasso __ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/
Re: SCO Vs IBM
I don't think that listing all files that have SCO, or SMP in them is due diligence either, but the judge might if he doesn't really understand how this was done. -Original Message- From: McKown, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 9:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SCO Vs IBM -Original Message- From: Fargusson.Alan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 11:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SCO Vs IBM I doubt that SCO would try to buy the judge, but they may have been able to pick a judge that knows little about computers. In fact from what I have seen most judges know nothing about computers. Even with such poor evidence it may be hard for IBM to disprove the allegations. The attempt at showing what has been appropriated may be enough for the judge to see this as due diligence. I thought it was still up to the accuser to prove the accusation. Not for the defender to disprove it. Granted, in civil law, it is preponderance of the evidence not beyond a reasonable doubt, so the burden is not as onerous on the claimant. I did read the article, but I don't think that listing just about everything in the kernel is due diligence. Especially the weasel words may or may not. Or like the police telling the thief: We say you stole some articles. You're the one who stole the stuff, so if you tell us what you took, we'll write up the arrest warrant based on that. BLECH! -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer UICI Insurance Center Applications Solutions Team +1.817.255.3225 This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and its' content is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this transmission, or taking any action based on it, is strictly prohibited.
Re: Linux CDL pack and RVA free space collection.
Sorry, I think I got some misleading information from my MVS guy. The CDL VTOC does show 100% FULL. I logged onto MVS and looked at the VTOC. It showed: tracks 30,085 %used 100 trks/cyls 15 VTOC 1 track 25% used Free DSCBs 9 Freespace size 0 Largest 0 Free 0 So I would assume that IXFP would behave correctly. However, operationally, I don't think I'd like to expose my RVA CDL volumes to DDSR so I am having the MVS guy exclude the Linux volumes when online to MVS. = Jim Sibley Implementor of Linux on zSeries in the beautiful Silicon Valley Computer are useless.They can only give answers. Pablo Picasso __ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/
when crossing over [was: Re: Linux CDL pack and RVA free sp...]
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003, Jim Sibley wrote: Would that the developers had used a VTOC that showed the pack 100% full and we would have no problem. A hearty amen to that! Remember AIX/370? Sure you do, if only because we have made mention of it here from time to time. AIX/370 did not do the low-level format. That is, it would not pre-block your CKD disks for you. You had to use CMS FORMAT for that. But CMS FORMAT naturally also slapped a CMS filesystem on it. After the CMS FORMAT step, you could use a volume with AIX and put (prabably UFS) a Unix filesystem onto it. Trouble was that the Unix FS did not obliterate the CMS FS. The disk *looked* like an empty CMS minidisk from some angles. I got bitten pretty severely by this. So to prepare for crossing over from one system to another (which is the obvious goal of CDL), it is incumbent upon us to do more due diligence. (Love that term, eh?) Any subsystem which impinges upon multiple environments must account for the impact and perception in all environments. -- R;
Re: Linux CDL pack and RVA free space collection.
Sorry, I think I got some misleading information from my MVS guy. The CDL VTOC does show 100% FULL. Oh! Okay ... that is more of what one would expect. So I would assume that IXFP would behave correctly. However, operationally, I don't think I'd like to expose my RVA CDL volumes to DDSR so I am having the MVS guy exclude the Linux volumes when online to MVS. Would be nice if someone would report back what does happen. From what you're now reporting, it looks like the CDL code is good from the MVS perspective. We also need to confirm that RVA is doing the right thing about interpreting the allocation. -- R;
Re: SCO Vs IBM
I don't think that listing all files that have SCO, or SMP in them is due diligence either, but the judge might if he doesn't really understand how this was done. A dangerous assumption. In the Dr Godfrey vs Demon Internet libel case, Demon Internet's case collapsed during the pre-trial hearing. During the (not under oath) discussions of the discovery - as the agreed evidence is known - a member of Demon's staff asserted that they had no way to know how many of the newsgroups on their nntp servers were being read by their subscribers. Hizzonour - Mr Justice Edie - stopped him. He reached into a 15 pile of paper on his desk, flipped through two or three, and pulled one out. Excuse me, but that isn't what you said in your last capacity plan in January this year. You have clearly analysed access not only by newsgroup to decide placement but also what percentage is your own clients. SPLAT!!! Even the barrister prosecuting was stunned, and leaned over to say: Is he right? He was. Beware Hizzonour. An out-of-court settlement followed within the hour. -- Phil Payne http://www.isham-research.com +44 7785 302 803
Fw: Linux CDL packs on RVA
I think you should beware of this exposure to RVA space when Linux CDL can be accessed from MVS. Below is a converstation that I had with Scott Lederer at Storage Tech on the Marist forum. If the VTOC showed that then volume was 100% full, there would be no problem, but with it showing 100% free, MVS could let the space assigned to the Linux CDL volume be freed. This message is not flagged. [ Flag Message - Mark as Unread ] Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 14:48:40 -0700 From: Ledbetter, Scott E [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Embedded image moved to file: pic04107.gif)Add to Address BookAdd to Address Book Subject: Re: Linux CDL pack and RVA free space collection. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jim, You are correct in being concerned about this. On an RVA or STK Iceberg or STK SVA (all are the same architecture), the hardware has no knowledge of the logical data structures such as VTOCs, filesystems, directories, etc. It manages everything at a track level. When a dataset is 'deleted' from an MVS volume, normally the only actual change at the hardware level is an update to the track(s) containing the corresponding VTOC DSCBs, and possibly a track in the VVDS and perhaps the user catalog if it resides on the same volume. In order to notify the RVA of the deleted status of the tracks associated with a dataset, the MVS system normally will have an under the covers software subsystem running called IXFP (SVAA for STK boxes). The IXFP/SVAA software installs itself at IPL time, and if activated, will send notification to the RVA that all the tracks associated with a deleted dataset are eligible to be reclaimed. The RVA then marks these tracks as deleted and reclaimable inside the RVA. This entire process is called Dynamic DDSR. Here is where things get dangerous. There is also an optional process that a user can run via an address space that can be started to do some management and reporting for the RVA. This process is called Interval DDSR. What happens is that on a periodic basis controlled by a parmlib member, a task in the address space will wake up and 'sniff' every online DASD device known as an RVA or SVA device. The process will look at the VTOC on the volume, and will mark as free EVERY TRACK NOT ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE MVS VTOC. So, if your CDL volume looks like it
CDL Backup - and not exposing the volumes to os/390 24x7
Anyone got an example of a job step that can issue a vary command to bring devices online prior to a backup step being run?
Gartner on SCO
http://www3.gartner.com/DisplayDocument?doc_cd=118545
Veritas netbackup client for Linux 390
Does this exist (yet)? Marcy Cortes Wells Fargo Services Company
Re: Linux CDL pack and RVA free space collection.
I thought I had checked that. At any rate, it is a good idea to exclude these volumes, since there would be no reason to run DDSR from the MVS side on a CDL volume. Scott L. -Original Message- From: Jim Sibley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 12:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Linux CDL pack and RVA free space collection. Sorry, I think I got some misleading information from my MVS guy. The CDL VTOC does show 100% FULL. I logged onto MVS and looked at the VTOC. It showed: tracks 30,085 %used 100 trks/cyls 15 VTOC 1 track 25% used Free DSCBs 9 Freespace size 0 Largest 0 Free 0 So I would assume that IXFP would behave correctly. However, operationally, I don't think I'd like to expose my RVA CDL volumes to DDSR so I am having the MVS guy exclude the Linux volumes when online to MVS. = Jim Sibley Implementor of Linux on zSeries in the beautiful Silicon Valley Computer are useless.They can only give answers. Pablo Picasso __ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/
Re: SCO Vs IBM
Hello (again) from Gregg C Levine Phil, that sounds familiar to me. Can you post a location for that? I know, (don't ask me how!), that Demon, is one of the larger UK based service providers. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi (This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi ) (This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda ) -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Payne Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 3:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] SCO Vs IBM I don't think that listing all files that have SCO, or SMP in them is due diligence either, but the judge might if he doesn't really understand how this was done. A dangerous assumption. In the Dr Godfrey vs Demon Internet libel case, Demon Internet's case collapsed during the pre-trial hearing. During the (not under oath) discussions of the discovery - as the agreed evidence is known - a member of Demon's staff asserted that they had no way to know how many of the newsgroups on their nntp servers were being read by their subscribers. Hizzonour - Mr Justice Edie - stopped him. He reached into a 15 pile of paper on his desk, flipped through two or three, and pulled one out. Excuse me, but that isn't what you said in your last capacity plan in January this year. You have clearly analysed access not only by newsgroup to decide placement but also what percentage is your own clients. SPLAT!!! Even the barrister prosecuting was stunned, and leaned over to say: Is he right? He was. Beware Hizzonour. An out-of-court settlement followed within the hour. -- Phil Payne http://www.isham-research.com +44 7785 302 803
Re: CDL Backup - and not exposing the volumes to os/390 24x7
-Original Message- From: James Melin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 2:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CDL Backup - and not exposing the volumes to os/390 24x7 Anyone got an example of a job step that can issue a vary command to bring devices online prior to a backup step being run? //VONLINE EXEC PGM=IEBGENER //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* //SYSIN DD DUMMY //SYSUT2 DD SYSOUT=(*,INTRDR) //SYSUT1 DD DATA,DLM='$$' /*$VS,'V ,ONLINE' $$ Replace the with the address of the volume. There is no way to vary on by volser or any such thing in MVS. If you want, duplicate the /*$VS card multiple times for multiple addresses. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer UICI Insurance Center Applications Solutions Team +1.817.255.3225 This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and its' content is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this transmission, or taking any action based on it, is strictly prohibited.
Re: Veritas netbackup client for Linux 390
Marcy, I believe so. I remember seeing an announcement from them a number of months ago. Mark Post -Original Message- From: Marcy Cortes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 4:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Veritas netbackup client for Linux 390 Does this exist (yet)? Marcy Cortes Wells Fargo Services Company
Re: Gartner on SCO
People pay big bucks to hear Gartner say that SCO has no viable software business, and has gone into the IP litigation business. When will Boies have a seat on the board? Bill -Original Message- From: James Melin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 4:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Gartner on SCO http://www3.gartner.com/DisplayDocument?doc_cd=118545
Re: Veritas netbackup client for Linux 390
Marcy, Page 5 of this document http://eval.veritas.com/downloads/pro/netbackup/nbu_50_ds.pdf has a footnote 5 that says Includes Linux on IBM zSeries client. Mark Post -Original Message- From: Marcy Cortes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 4:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Veritas netbackup client for Linux 390 Does this exist (yet)? Marcy Cortes Wells Fargo Services Company
Re: Linux CDL pack and RVA free space collection.
Well, I'm not sure if I'm coming or going on this! I just formatted a volume CDL on another RVA with SLES8 SP2 and it shows 0% USED and 50,083 tracks FREE! The other volume I formatted was with SLES8 SP3 and it showed 100% USED and 0 tracks FREE! So the MVS guy wasn't wrong after all! He was looking at a volume I had formatted CDL with SLES8 SP2. So this seems to be release dependent and there IS AN EXPOSURE if you have a lower release that SLES8 SP3. I don't know what would happen with RedHat. I'll try that after I get an RHEL3 system running. Bottom line still seems to be - don't run DDSR on your CDL formatted volumes! = Jim Sibley Implementor of Linux on zSeries in the beautiful Silicon Valley Computer are useless.They can only give answers. Pablo Picasso __ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/
New Linux/390 HOWTO on the Web Site
All, Jim Sibley has contributed a HOWTO titled mkinitrd and cloning notes for SUSE SLES8 and Red Hat EL3 AS on zSeries. The introduction states: SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 8 (SLES8) and Red Hat Enterprise Linux 3 (RHEL3) both use an initial ramdisk (initrd) during the boot process to include the device driver modules. This allows them to have a single script for all platforms to include all the necessary drivers for each platform and adds more flexibility in adding device drivers without having to recompile the kernel. This has several implications for the zSeries (i.e., s/390 or zSeries) Linux system administrator. http://linuxvm.org/Info/HOWTOs/ Thanks to Jim for this assistance. Mark Post
RHELv3.0 install probs
We've just become the proud owners of RHEL v 3.0 but, we're having install probs... anaconda fails w/ the following error: bega:/home/ewilson $ cat anaconda_error.txt Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/bin/anaconda, line 1081, in ? intf.run(id, dispatch, configFileData) File /usr/lib/anaconda/text.py, line 471, in run dispatch.gotoNext() File /usr/lib/anaconda/dispatch.py, line 157, in gotoNext self.moveStep() File /usr/lib/anaconda/dispatch.py, line 225, in moveStep rc = apply(func, self.bindArgs(args)) File /usr/lib/anaconda/packages.py, line 160, in readPackages grpset = method.readComps(hdrlist) File /usr/lib/anaconda/installmethod.py, line 64, in readComps return self.readCompsViaMethod(hdlist) File /usr/lib/anaconda/image.py, line 42, in readCompsViaMethod return groupSetFromCompsFile(fname, hdlist) File /usr/lib/anaconda/hdrlist.py, line 900, in groupSetFromCompsFile for pnevra in (grpset.groups[base].packages.keys() + KeyError: base /usr/lib/anaconda/hdrlist.py(900)groupSetFromCompsFile() - for pnevra in (grpset.groups[base].packages.keys() + (Pdb) It is failing before I get a choice of packages. Any one else having this issue? Cheers; E! - Eric Wilson Anheuser-Busch Companies, Inc. One Busch Place 1CC-8 St. Louis, MO -Original Message- From: James Melin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 20 November, 2003 10:53 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SCO Vs IBM Looks like some of the 'evidence' given to IBM by SCO was the result of a google search. This is pathetic. http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20031119041719640
APAR opened for IMAP server woes.
For those of you who've been following our fun with roll-your-own NETDATA from Linux and the VM IMAP server, here's the APAR for the IMAP server that allows it to tolerate x'01' CCWs such as produced by the Linux UR driver. Malcolm Beattie has updated his UR driver to allow specifying the preferred CCW to use when creating spool files; those of you in Linux land who grabbed a copy should get the updated version which has a parameter to specify use of user-selected CCWs when creating the spool file. Thanks again to Perry for fixing this. -- db - Forwarded message from Perry Ruiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] - APAR PQ80885 was opened for this. I just finished coding up the fix. IMAP will now ignore the stacker bits on the CCW. If after masking off the bits the CCW is unrecognized, an error message is displayed that includes the unsupported CCW, the file is closed, tagged with a new error code (unsupported CCW encountered) and transferred to the userid designated on the BADFILEID statement ... Perry
We reveal major UNIX? IP violations
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/34102.html -- Cheers John. Join the Linux Support by Small Businesses list at http://mail.computerdatasafe.com.au/mailman/listinfo/lssb Copyright John Summerfield. Reproduction prohibited.
