Boot partition mirror-raid possible?

2008-07-16 Thread Robin Atwood
I am following a HOWTO I found to move my DASD to use LVM on top of RAID1. The
instructions assume Intel arch but all goes well until it says to use Grub to
write the MBR onto the two partitions with the boot directory on them.
Naturally I tried to use zipl but it fails with:

# zipl
Using config file '/etc/zipl.conf'
Building bootmap in '/boot'
Building menu 'menu1'
Adding #1: IPL section 'linux' (default)
Preparing boot device: 09:00.
Error: Could not read master boot record: Reached unexpected end of file

where /boot is mounted thus:
/dev/md1  ext3 97M   14M   79M  15% /mnt/tmp/boot

Should I try to mount the actual partitions under boot sequentially? I am new
to RAID and am not sure how to proceed.

TIA
-Robin
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Re: Boot partition mirror-raid possible?

2008-07-16 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Robin Atwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Should I try to mount the actual partitions under boot sequentially? I am new
 to RAID and am not sure how to proceed.

If you want to make another disk bootable you must specify the right
directory (and that must be on the target device). The reason is that
zipl creates a bootmap in that directory. We used to put the
zipl.conf in the /boot directory and point to that one in the command.

Don't know whether the scheme with RAID and LVM maps well to Linux on
z/VM. If you're just looking for an extra boot device, then you might
want to share that with all the other Linux guests.
-Rob

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Re: Boot partition mirror-raid possible?

2008-07-16 Thread Robin Atwood
On Wednesday 16 Jul 2008, Rob van der Heij wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Robin Atwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Should I try to mount the actual partitions under boot sequentially? I am
  new to RAID and am not sure how to proceed.

 If you want to make another disk bootable you must specify the right
 directory (and that must be on the target device). The reason is that
 zipl creates a bootmap in that directory. We used to put the
 zipl.conf in the /boot directory and point to that one in the command.

 Don't know whether the scheme with RAID and LVM maps well to Linux on
 z/VM. If you're just looking for an extra boot device, then you might
 want to share that with all the other Linux guests.

I think the problem is that my target device is /dev/md1 which is not a real
disk, it's a pseudo-device manufactured by the mdadm command from two real
partitions.

-Robin
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Re: Boot partition mirror-raid possible?

2008-07-16 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Robin Atwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I think the problem is that my target device is /dev/md1 which is not a real
 disk, it's a pseudo-device manufactured by the mdadm command from two real
 partitions.

That sure is a problem. But since you don't write to the boot
partition a lot, could you not just maintain the two identical copies
yourself?

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Re: Boot partition mirror-raid possible?

2008-07-16 Thread Robin Atwood
On Wednesday 16 Jul 2008, Rob van der Heij wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Robin Atwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I think the problem is that my target device is /dev/md1 which is not a
  real disk, it's a pseudo-device manufactured by the mdadm command from
  two real partitions.

 That sure is a problem. But since you don't write to the boot
 partition a lot, could you not just maintain the two identical copies
 yourself?

That's what I am beginning to think. :( I was hoping someone on the list has
tried this and has a definitive answer.

-Robin
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Using ESCON attached 3590 for TSM 5.5 / Linux

2008-07-16 Thread Mike Hammock
One of our customers who does not follow this list asked me to post a
question here.

They are running SLES 10 SP1 in an instance on a FLEX-ES system.  (Think of
this as running in an LPAR on a normal system.  That is, no zVM.)
They have an ESCON connected 3590 that they can use from the Linux system
with no problem, but apparently there is a 'special' device driver supplied
for TSM 5.5 and when they install it, the driver apparently does not 'see'
the tape device.  They found a statement that TSM only supports Fiber
attached tape devices, but we're not sure if Fiber in this context
includes ESCON or not and I can't see why TSM should care as long as Linux
is happy with the device.

Does anyone else have any experience with this combination (TSM 5.5 on SLES
10 with ESCON 3590) or possibly have any suggestions??

Thanks
Mike
C. M. (Mike) Hammock
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Re: Using ESCON attached 3590 for TSM 5.5 / Linux

2008-07-16 Thread Christian Borntraeger
Am Mittwoch, 16. Juli 2008 schrieb Mike Hammock:
 They are running SLES 10 SP1 in an instance on a FLEX-ES system.  (Think of
 this as running in an LPAR on a normal system.  That is, no zVM.)
 They have an ESCON connected 3590 that they can use from the Linux system
 with no problem, but apparently there is a 'special' device driver supplied
 for TSM 5.5 and when they install it, the driver apparently does not 'see'
 the tape device.  They found a statement that TSM only supports Fiber
 attached tape devices, but we're not sure if Fiber in this context
 includes ESCON or not and I can't see why TSM should care as long as Linux
 is happy with the device.

 Does anyone else have any experience with this combination (TSM 5.5 on SLES
 10 with ESCON 3590) or possibly have any suggestions??

As far as I know, TSM for Linux only supports FCP-attached (scsi) tapes.
Channel attachement like FICON or ESCON are not supported.

Christian

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Re: Boot partition mirror-raid possible?

2008-07-16 Thread Rob van der Heij
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 12:58 PM, Robin Atwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 That's what I am beginning to think. :( I was hoping someone on the list has
 tried this and has a definitive answer.

Yes, zipl uses specific ioctl() calls of the eckd driver to write the
IPL record etc.

-Rob

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Cobbler anyone?

2008-07-16 Thread Michael MacIsaac
Hello list,

Anyone heard of cobbler?  (no, not the shoe repairman nor the deep-dish
fruit dessert with a thick top crust :))  This one:
http://cobbler.et.redhat.com/

I wouldn't bother asking, but it seems they are looking at a port to
s390x: https://fedorahosted.org/cobbler/wiki/SssThreeNinety

Just FYI...

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Re: DFDSS Backups

2008-07-16 Thread Mary Anne Matyaz
According to the z/os 1.9 DSS Reference manual p688:
It (the Standalone RESTORE command) cannot restore from tapes created by a
DFSMSdss logical dump, from a DFSMSdss tracks dump using the CPVOLUME
keyword, or from dump tapes produced by other utilities.
FYI.

MA

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 11:11 PM, Doug Shupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Better check to see if the DFDSS Standalone restore supports CPVOLUME
 before
 going to far into the abyss!


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  On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at  8:41 PM, in message

  
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 Walters, Gene P [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 -snip-
  I don't know that they use CPFORMAT to format the DASD before telling

 me

  it's available.  Should they?

 Yes, since that is what will make the volume available to z/OS.


 Actually, you can format any CP volume from z/OS.  A user volume (one that
 does NOT contain directory, T-disks, parm disks, paging, spooling, or
 other CP-managed extents) can be formatted by ICKDSF CPVOLUME or INIT on
 z/OS, as CP only looks at the volser on a standard VOL1 label.

 For CP-owned disks, you should format it using ICKDSF CPVOLUME FORMAT.

 I believe that CPVOLUME and INIT do not write the same style of VTOC.  A
 CPVOLUME will appear to have no available space.  An INITed volume, OTOH,
 appears empty except for the catalog.  (I'm too lazy to test that theory.)
 So while you CAN init with INIT, you SHOULD init with CPVOLUME.

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Re: Using ESCON attached 3590 for TSM 5.5 / Linux

2008-07-16 Thread Mike Hammock
Thanks Christian...
That's what we were afraid of, but were not sure...
They are trying to do a proof of concept with their existing equipment
(ESCON 3590) and I don't believe there is any way to connect a true FCP or
SCSI tape device to the Linux system on a FLEX-ES system, so I suspect they
are out of luck for now...
I assume that running zVM in the instance/LPAR and attaching the tape
device to a Linux guest would not make any difference, correct?
If anyone else has any ideas or suggestions, we'd be glad to listen..

Thanks

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Am Mittwoch, 16. Juli 2008 schrieb Mike Hammock:
 They are running SLES 10 SP1 in an instance on a FLEX-ES system.  (Think
of
 this as running in an LPAR on a normal system.  That is, no zVM.)
 They have an ESCON connected 3590 that they can use from the Linux system
 with no problem, but apparently there is a 'special' device driver
supplied
 for TSM 5.5 and when they install it, the driver apparently does not
'see'
 the tape device.  They found a statement that TSM only supports Fiber
 attached tape devices, but we're not sure if Fiber in this context
 includes ESCON or not and I can't see why TSM should care as long as
Linux
 is happy with the device.

 Does anyone else have any experience with this combination (TSM 5.5 on
SLES
 10 with ESCON 3590) or possibly have any suggestions??

As far as I know, TSM for Linux only supports FCP-attached (scsi) tapes.
Channel attachement like FICON or ESCON are not supported.

Christian

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Re: Cobbler anyone?

2008-07-16 Thread Patrick Spinler

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| http://cobbler.et.redhat.com/
|
| I wouldn't bother asking, but it seems they are looking at a port to
| s390x: https://fedorahosted.org/cobbler/wiki/SssThreeNinety
|

No, I haven't.  I'm curious how it compares to / interacts with Redhat
Satellite, though.  When I was testing with satellite on distributed
platforms I found it difficult to create working client upgrade channel
operations, so I'm interested in possible alternatives.

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Re: Cobbler anyone?

2008-07-16 Thread Mark Perry

Michael MacIsaac wrote:

Hello list,

Anyone heard of cobbler?  (no, not the shoe repairman nor the deep-dish
fruit dessert with a thick top crust :))  This one:
http://cobbler.et.redhat.com/

I wouldn't bother asking, but it seems they are looking at a port to
s390x: https://fedorahosted.org/cobbler/wiki/SssThreeNinety

Just FYI...


I don't see any plugin for the z/VM SMAPI ;-)

mark

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Re: Cobbler anyone?

2008-07-16 Thread Richard Gasiorowski
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Re: Using ESCON attached 3590 for TSM 5.5 / Linux

2008-07-16 Thread David Boyes
 the tape device.  They found a statement that TSM only supports Fiber
 attached tape devices, but we're not sure if Fiber in this context
 includes ESCON or not 

It does not. TSM doesn't understand channel-attached tape on Linux at
all. FCP-only. Your 3590 is useless for this purpose.

 Does anyone else have any experience with this combination (TSM 5.5 on
 SLES
 10 with ESCON 3590) or possibly have any suggestions??

If you want a Linux-only solution, buy a FCP tape drive. Or install
z/OS.e and use the z/OS TSM to drive your channel-attached tape. Those
are the choices on offer from IBM. 

Since most people don't like those options much, you can also use the
remote volume option of the VM TSM server to drive the actual tapes
(since it DOES understand channel-attached tape), and configure the
Linux TSM server to use the CMS server as the destination for the
virtual volumes. Look at the docs for virtual volume support -- there
are some limitations but you don't end up with an entire z/OS system
just to do backups. 

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Re: Boot partition mirror-raid possible?

2008-07-16 Thread Brad Hinson

Robin Atwood wrote:

On Wednesday 16 Jul 2008, Rob van der Heij wrote:

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Robin Atwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I think the problem is that my target device is /dev/md1 which is not a
real disk, it's a pseudo-device manufactured by the mdadm command from
two real partitions.

That sure is a problem. But since you don't write to the boot
partition a lot, could you not just maintain the two identical copies
yourself?


That's what I am beginning to think. :( I was hoping someone on the list has
tried this and has a definitive answer.

-Robin
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fwiw, grub has been patched to work with RAID.  A quick grep of the (Red
Hat) RPM changelog shows:

- add dmraid support (
[snip]
- Always install in MBR for raid1 /boot/
[snip]
- reworked much of how the RAID1 support in grub-install works.

Not sure how hard it would be to implement this in zipl.

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Re: Cobbler anyone?

2008-07-16 Thread David Boyes
 Anyone heard of cobbler?  (no, not the shoe repairman nor the
deep-dish
 fruit dessert with a thick top crust :))  This one:
 http://cobbler.et.redhat.com/

Several of our university clients use it for Intel lab machines. Depends
very heavily on DHCP and PXE, but it's pretty slick when you've got it
set up and working. 

Having PXE support for s390 would be pretty slick, esp if the boot
PROM image could be loaded from a NSS. 

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Re: Boot partition mirror-raid possible?

2008-07-16 Thread Peter 1 Oberparleiter
Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU wrote on 16.07.2008 11:53:12:
 Should I try to mount the actual partitions under boot sequentially? I
am new
 to RAID and am not sure how to proceed.

zipl doesn't work with logical volumes, such as RAID1-like mirror setups.
The reason behind this is that zipl lacks knowledge about this type of
device which prevents it from putting the right type of IPL record into
the right place. Because this can cause various types of malfunctions,
current versions of zipl even check whether they're pointed at a DASD
or ZFCP disk and bail out if neither is the case.

This is being worked on and some future version of zipl should be able to
cope with a defined set of logical volume setups (no dates given though).


Regards,
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Re: Cobbler anyone?

2008-07-16 Thread Brad Hinson

David Boyes wrote:

Anyone heard of cobbler?  (no, not the shoe repairman nor the

deep-dish

fruit dessert with a thick top crust :))  This one:
http://cobbler.et.redhat.com/


Several of our university clients use it for Intel lab machines. Depends
very heavily on DHCP and PXE, but it's pretty slick when you've got it
set up and working.

Having PXE support for s390 would be pretty slick, esp if the boot
PROM image could be loaded from a NSS.



I'm new to cobbler, but over the last few weeks I've been working with
the cobbler community to get it working on s390.  Eventually cobbler
will be integrated into Satellite, as well as the recently announced
Spacewalk, the open source Satellite:

http://www.redhat.com/spacewalk/

Cobbler has a lot of promise on s390.  The immediate goal is to get
reprovisioning working, and the ultimate goal is to get bare metal
provisioning via PXE working.  The current thought is to write a
*very* simplified PXE client as a REXX exec run at startup.  It presents
you with a menu, then based on your choice, uses the z/VM FTP client to
download the correct kernel/initrd from the (cobbler) server.

It's still in the development stages, so feel free to hit me with ideas
and feedback (good or bad of course).  Also, a couple of links:

Mailing list:
https://fedorahosted.org/mailman/listinfo/cobbler

IRC:
irc.freenode.net, #cobbler

-Brad


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Re: Boot partition mirror-raid possible?

2008-07-16 Thread Mark Post
 On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at  5:53 AM, in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Robin Atwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 I am following a HOWTO I found to move my DASD to use LVM on top of RAID1. 
 The
 instructions assume Intel arch but all goes well until it says to use Grub 
 to
 write the MBR onto the two partitions with the boot directory on them.
 Naturally I tried to use zipl but it fails with:

Peter has already indicated this won't work (today).  But to follow up a little 
more, I would say to think about what you're doing and why.  Using RAID 1 in a 
system is almost always done to prevent a system outage when a disk fails.  If 
that happens on a mainframe Linux system, you've got bigger problems than 
worrying about whether your system will reboot if needed.  Using software RAID 
can make a lot of sense on Linux for System z, but I wouldn't think that doing 
it for /boot (on ECKD) would be in that category.


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Re: Cobbler anyone?

2008-07-16 Thread David Boyes
  Having PXE support for s390 would be pretty slick, esp if the boot
  PROM image could be loaded from a NSS.

This could be easily accomplished by using the CMS IPLer and a very
stripped down Linux kernel and a port of the PXE loader code. It's
basically TFTP plus some little stuff. 

If you went the Linux route, you could use the IPLer to put the NSS with
the minikernel system into memory in one piece, do the normal PXE DHCP
and tftp steps to put the kernel into a fixed location, and then crash
the boot ROM image by jumping directly to the new kernel. 

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update-status and parse-metadata CPU load

2008-07-16 Thread Ron Foster at Baldor-IS

Hello,

I just returned from a disaster recovery test.  After we restored our
Linux for zSeries guests, we booted up several at one time.  We noticed
the system being very sluggish.  I jumped on each of them and noticed
that either a process called update-status or parse-metadata was running
on all of them and consuming most if not all of the CPU.  To get around
the problem, I killed the offending process and went about finishing the
test.

Here at home I have not noticed this to be a problem.  However at our DR
site it appears to be.  We contract with a IBM to perform DR tests at
one of their BCRS sites.  I am told that the hardware we are testing on
is 3 generations or so behind what we have at home.  It has a fraction
of the number of CPUs that we have at home.  It also has a lot less
memory than we have at home.  Performance problems show up in this
environment.

I have spent some quality time with google looking this up.  All of the
hits appear to be Intel based and have a list of some processes to stop
running (using the runlevel editor) and/or packages to uninstall.  So
far I have not found any information on what is recommended for a
zSeries system.

At home, I do not have a problem.  There are sufficient resources to let
parse-metadata and update-status do their thing.  At our DR location, we
have a problem

Any recommendations for a zSeries system?  Is killing the offending
process the right thing to do?

Thanks,
Ron Foster
Baldor Electric

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Re: Cobbler anyone?

2008-07-16 Thread Arty Ecock
Hi,

   I've been looking at getting cobbler to run on s390x to serve as a
provisioning manager for x86 (and friends).  It installs without too much
fuss on RHEL 5.2.  Getting it to install on SLES10 SP2 looks far more
challenging.

   Our immediate need is for rapid x86 provisioning (we have the s390x
provisioning down to a science).

Cheers,
Arty

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Re: update-status and parse-metadata CPU load

2008-07-16 Thread Mark Post
 On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at  5:36 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ron
Foster at Baldor-IS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 Hello,
 
 I just returned from a disaster recovery test.  After we restored our
 Linux for zSeries guests, we booted up several at one time.  We noticed
 the system being very sluggish.  I jumped on each of them and noticed
 that either a process called update-status or parse-metadata was running
 on all of them and consuming most if not all of the CPU.  To get around
 the problem, I killed the offending process and went about finishing the
 test.

chkconfig novell-zmd off

You can either use YaST Online Update to do maintenance, or use the zypper 
command in place of rug.  Fortunately, zmd is going away with SLE11, leaving 
only zypper and YOU.  Starting with SLES10 SP2, any new installs for System z 
novell-zmd is disabled by default.


Mark Post

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