Re: Today's funny....

[Henry Schaffer]

Dave,
  Thanks! That helps the day get off to a good start!
--henry

On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 9:17 AM Dave Jones  wrote:

> Because in these times we all need a good laugh.
>
> Four engineers get into a car. The car won't start.
> The mechanical engineer says: "It's a broken starter"
> The electrical engineer says: "Dead battery"
> The chemical engineer says: "Impurities in the gasoline"
> The Windows IT engineer says: "Hey guys, I have an idea, how about we
> all get out of the car and get back in"
>
> DJ
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Re: Redbooks Rumor

[Henry Schaffer]

On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 8:39 AM Dave Jones  wrote:

> If true, that would be one of the stupidest things IBM has ever done,
>

  Hmmm - this could be the start of a new thread. :-)

--henry

P.S. Some may remember the years pre-Gerstner.

imho.
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> On 10.28.2021 7:02 PM, Neale Ferguson wrote:
> > I am hearing strong rumors that IBM is about to commit the type of
> > corporate facepalm that is the stuff for future textbooks. Apparently
> > Redbooks are no longer going to be a thing and the organization
> > disbanded. If there’s one thing that has differentiated IBM in the
> > mainframe space has been the quality of its documentation and, in
> > particular, the type of HOW-TO information contained within Redbooks
> > and Redpieces. These documents turn a “that’d be nice to do” into a
> > proof-of-concept and finally into production. In doing so, they must
> > be responsible for millions or billions of dollar in revenue to IBM.
> >
> > Many of the topics of Redbooks cover are complex and even
> > intimidating. They provide a step-by-step approach to learning and
> > implementing using a group of people actually doing what they’re
> > writing about. This is invaluable.
> >
> > I hope these rumors are untrue but if not I think we should all be
> > shouting from the roof until someone with some sense realizes how
> > shortsighted this decision is.
> >
> > Neale
> >
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Re: No Linux here

[Henry Schaffer]

On gmail read on a Mac/Safari the picture came through.
--henry

On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 12:05 PM Paul Gilmartin 
wrote:

> On 2021-04-26, at 09:35:26, Phil Smith III wrote:
> >
> > Oops, forgot the list doesn't do images. See
> >
> > https://i.imgur.com/QwXcPDr.jpeg
> >
> Interesting.  Your earlier post to LISTSERV:
> file:///private/tmp/paulgilm/wlvtype%3FLINUX-VM.97234.html
> ... appears as unrendered base64 plus some headers I'd normally
> not expect to see.  If I scrape and decode the base64 I see
> the image.
>
> On an IMAP server, MacOS Mail.app renders the image apparently as
> intended.  iOS 14.2.2 shows a blank page.
>
> I suspect Microsoft Outlook 16.0 created a minor structural error
> which various viewers treat differently.
>
> -- gil
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Re: Open Source, drug dealers, and time travel

[Henry Schaffer]

That was a fun read, and I loved being reminded of Alan Sokal's famous hoax
paper - which was published in a journal housed one town over from me. This
was part of the post-modernist movement and the Duke English Dept, and
Stanley Fish were deeply caught up in this movement - which Sokal didn't
care for (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_affair for more
background.)

Hmm - this is rather even more off-topic - so I'll stop here. :-)

--henry

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> On 07.06.2020 1:03 PM, Phil Smith III wrote:
> > Time Travel Resistant Cryptography
> >
> > https://www.bluetoad.com/publication/?m=1336
> > <
> https://www.bluetoad.com/publication/?m=1336=666070=articleBrowser_id=3713491
> >
> > =666070=articleBrowser_id=3713491
> >
> >
> >
> > Discuss.
> >
> >
> Sounds reasonable to me, Phil.
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Re: So quiet...

[Henry Schaffer]

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 9:34 AM Rick Troth  wrote:

> ...
> Some of us remember BITNET RELAY.
>

  Huh! Isn't usenet filling our needs? Do we really need this newfangled
thing?

> ...
>

--henry

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Re: CLEFOS-vi/vim setting

[Henry Schaffer]

When vim first came out I was reluctant to move from vi. But when I
discovered the almost-perfect compatibility and my favorite new feature -
almost-infinite undo-redo, I was convinced. IMHO vim is what Bill Joy would
have written if computers back then had the available memory needed.

--henry

On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 2:05 PM, Frank M. Ramaekers 
wrote:

> Entering 'vim' shows:
>  VIM - Vi IMproved
>
>version 7.4.1099
>
> I'm using vi (for editing).
>
> Frank M. Ramaekers Jr.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of
> Neale Ferguson
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 12:09 PM
> To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
> Subject: Re: CLEFOS-vi/vim setting
>
> Are you using vi or vim? I always set an alias vi=vim. Check of vim is
> installed. Both come with ClefOS.
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Jeff Barnard 
> Date: 6/27/18 12:39 (GMT-05:00)
> To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
> Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] CLEFOS-vi/vim setting
>
> Frank,
>
> Might be easier to install THE. The Hessling Editor and Regina Rexx. Then
> put it into edit mode ...
> COMPAT XEDIT XEDIT XEDIT
>
> Well, better for me anyway... lol.
>
> Jeff
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Jun 27, 2018, at 10:53 AM, Frank M. Ramaekers 
> wrote:
> >
> > In all other (z)Linux installations, vi remembered the cursor position
> on last editing session.   In my ClefOS 7.4 install, it always open a
> session with the cursor on line 1.   I've checked /etc/.vimrc and ~/.vimrc.
> >
> > From googling this I found that it was possible that a portion of
> /etc/vimrc was/is commented out:
> >
> > 14 " Only do this part when compiled with support for autocommands
> >15 if has("autocmd")
> > 16   augroup redhat
> > 17   autocmd!
> > 18   " In text files, always limit the width of text to 78 characters
> > 19   " autocmd BufRead *.txt set tw=78
> > 20   " When editing a file, always jump to the last cursor position
> > 21   autocmd BufReadPost *
> > 22   \ if line("'\"") > 0 && line ("'\"") <= line("$") |
> > 23   \   exe "normal! g'\"" |
> > 24   \ endif
> > 25   " don't write swapfile on most commonly used directories for
> NFS mounts or USB sticks
> > 26   autocmd BufNewFile,BufReadPre /media/*,/run/media/*,/mnt/* set
> directory=~/tmp,/var/tmp,/tmp
> > 27   " start with spec file template
> > 28   autocmd BufNewFile *.spec 0r /usr/share/vim/vimfiles/
> template.spec
> > 29   augroup END
> > 30 endif
> >
> > ~/.vimrc:
> >  1 :set number
> >  2 :set ignorecase
> >  3 :set smartcase
> >  4 :set incsearch
> >
> > What am I missing?
> >
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Re: /proc/sysinfo on other architectures?

[Henry Schaffer]

On my x86 box running RHEL
> ls /proc/sysinfo
ls: cannot access /proc/sysinfo: No such file or directory

--henry schaffer

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 8:38 AM, Michael MacIsaac <mike99...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hello list,
>
> Is /proc/sysinfo a zLinux thing only?
>
> I got on a Lintel VMWare virtual machine and was surprised to not see that
> file.  If it's not part of Lintel, how do they query their hipervisor
> hierarchy?
>
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Re: SLES 12 upgrade fails

[Henry Schaffer]

This happens consistently for my mail system - her posts are put in the
spam folder with this explanation:

This message has a from address in wellsfargo.com but has failed
wellsfargo.com's required tests for authentication.


--henry schaffer

On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 1:29 AM, Mike Walter <walterthepennyl...@hotmail.com
> wrote:

> For those missing Marcy's posts, check your junk mail folder.  I've found
> some of hers go directly to my junk/spam folder.  It happens to a few other
> posts as well, but not often or consistently enough to diagnose.
>
> Mike Walter
>
> From: Alan Ackerman
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 9:58 PM
> Subject: Re: SLES 12 upgrade fails
> To: linux-390@vm.marist.edu
>
>
> I have the same problem — I am not seeing Marcy’s posts. I also don’t see
> anything about SLES 12 upgrade fails on the web page. Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 14, 2018, at 5:15 PM, Gregg Levine wrote: Hello! Mark as interesting
> as our discussions are, there is a more interesting problem, I'm not seeing
> anything by Marcy except as a response. That is when someone responds to
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Re: Spectre and Meltdown stupid question...

[Henry Schaffer]

I'm not sure whether I'm providing more of an answer or more of a question
- but ...

My understanding is that this "leakage" of data happens on the chip via
access to cache - certainly on a core, i.e. between two threads running on
the same core. I don't know about two different cores on the same chip - do
they share cache so that this leakage can occur between different cores?
The two threads could be in different virtual machines and so wouldn't be
isolated because they are in different virtual machines *if* they are
running on the same core (or chip, if )

If I'm right about it being only via cache - then nothing is new that I can
see regarding memory management.

I'd appreciate feedback.

--henry schaffer

On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 6:06 PM, Carey Tyler Schug <sqrfolk...@comcast.net>
wrote:

> another stupid question.
>
> This is ONLY for Linux on z, correct? and only within one Linux instance?
> If 200 copies of Linux are running under one z/vm, the only risk is within
> each of the Linux instances.
>
> Meaning accounting running in Linux #1 is not at risk from anything else
> running in any of the other 199 Linux instances? doesn't z/vm, th rough
> virtual storage, isolate each Linux from all the others?
>
> if something is running "native" on CM or some other code within a virtual
> machine, it is safe from all other virtual machines?
>
> If the above is incorrect, is there an explanation somewhere as to how the
> vulnerability works?
>
> --Carey
>
>
>
> On 01/15/2018 09:30 AM, Martha McConaghy wrote:
>
>> Paul,
>>
>> The answer is "yes". A MCL for hardware came out last week.  I believe it
>> applies to models z14 down through z114.  At least, our z13s, BC12 and
>> z114
>> all received it.  (We wanted it on as soon as possible.)
>>
>> In addition, there is a z/VM PTF, though I'm not sure it is out yet.  Its
>> z/VM
>> 6.4 only, so I can't get it until I finish getting my systems upgraded.
>> I'm
>> not as worried about z/VM since our users/customers have no direct access
>> to
>> it.
>>
>> The Linux distributions have been our main concern and the patches have
>> been
>> coming out slowly.  Its my understanding that "meltdown" is not much of a
>> concern for Z but "spectre" is.  (Someone correct me if I'm misstating
>> anything.)  SUSE has some patches out already, expecting more today.
>> RedHat
>> does not have theirs out yet.  Last I heard, they are expected sometime
>> next
>> week.  I don't know about any of the other distributions that run on Z.  I
>> haven't heard that they have any patches out yet.
>>
>> Martha
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Re: TERM=linux instead of TERM=dumb

[Henry Schaffer]

Yes, that was the 1403!
--henry

On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 9:39 PM, John Campbell <soup...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I seem to recall that was for the 1403.  The 3211 could have different
> chains.
>
> Mind you I've seen the first generation of IBM's laser printers whilst at
> Dun & Bradstreet... closed up, it reminded me of the #1 Broadway Local.  It
> was intended to replace a whole lot of DataProducts printers (that used
> drums for the characters).
>
> -soup
>
> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 8:39 PM, Henry Schaffer <h...@ncsu.edu> wrote:
>
> > And, of course, you must remember programming the printout so the line
> > printer played music!
> >
> > --henry
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 6:17 PM, John Campbell <soup...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > The terminfo "database", these days, is some kind of binary...  and,
> from
> > > the source file(s), there is a program to "compile" them into a
> structure
> > > the curses library can just suck in as chunk and then use.
> > >
> > > I kinda miss the old /etc/termcap ...   yes, I've been around.
> > Everything
> > > balances out over time...
> > >
> > > (chuckles)
> > >
> > > "When I was _your_ age, we didn't have none of these fancy graphics you
> > > kids have these days... Naw, if you wanted to see pretty pictures, you
> > ran
> > > your job to the card punch 'n held 'em up to the light!"
> > >
> > > And, yeah, I recall the magtapes w/ line printer files which would
> > > overprint to make pictures...  (  RECFM=FBA LRECL=133 BLKSIZE=1330 )
> > >
> > > -soup
> > >
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Re: TERM=linux instead of TERM=dumb

[Henry Schaffer]

And, of course, you must remember programming the printout so the line
printer played music!

--henry

On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 6:17 PM, John Campbell  wrote:

> The terminfo "database", these days, is some kind of binary...  and, from
> the source file(s), there is a program to "compile" them into a structure
> the curses library can just suck in as chunk and then use.
>
> I kinda miss the old /etc/termcap ...   yes, I've been around.  Everything
> balances out over time...
>
> (chuckles)
>
> "When I was _your_ age, we didn't have none of these fancy graphics you
> kids have these days... Naw, if you wanted to see pretty pictures, you ran
> your job to the card punch 'n held 'em up to the light!"
>
> And, yeah, I recall the magtapes w/ line printer files which would
> overprint to make pictures...  (  RECFM=FBA LRECL=133 BLKSIZE=1330 )
>
> -soup
>

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Re: Query for Destination z article: mistakes -- teachable/learnable moments

[Henry Schaffer]

I've heard, "Experience is what keeps you from making mistakes. How do you
get experience? By making mistakes!" The closest quote I can find right now
is “Good judgement is the result of experience and experience the result
of bad judgement.” Mark Twain

--henry schaffer


On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Stuart, David <david.stu...@ventura.org>
wrote:

> One of my favorites, but I don't know who to attribute it to:
>
> "Don't be afraid to make mistakes, because if you're not making mistakes,
> you're not doing anything. However, if you're making the same mistake over
> and over again, then you're not learning anything."
>
> Guess which the 'author' thought was the more serious 'crime'.
>
>
> Dave
>
>
> Dave Stuart
> Principal Information Systems Support Analyst
> Information Technology Services
> County of Ventura, CA
> 805-662-6731
> david.stu...@ventura.org
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of
> TICONA, LUIS
> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 1:57 PM
> To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
> Subject: Re: Query for Destination z article: mistakes --
> teachable/learnable moments
>
> Great quotes;
> I can apply  some of them with my kids and our Boys Scouts by me.
>
> Thank you Gabe;
>
> Luis
>
> -Original Message-
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> Gabe Goldberg
> Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 3:37 PM
> To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
> Subject: Query for Destination z article: mistakes -- teachable/learnable
> moments
>
> There are at least a bazillion (Google tells me) quotes about mistakes.
>
> "So go ahead and make mistakes. Make all you can. Because that's where you
> will find success. On the far side of failure." Thomas J. Watson, Sr.
>
> "It is much easier to be critical than to be correct." Benjamin Disraeli
>
> "Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new."
> Albert Einstein
>
> Anyone who's ever accomplished anything -- done anything -- has made
> mistakes. What have your mainframe career mistakes, teachable/learnable
> moments, painful learning experiences, hard-knocks lessons, etc., been?
> What errors have you seen or heard (and believed!) others make? What were
> the consequences and, most important, what did you learn?
>
> These might be technical or job/career related. What would you go back and
> tell your younger self to do or not do? To do differently? What mistakes
> would you help others avoid?
>
> Please be (relatively) brief; if I need more information, I'll ask. And
> please copy me directly so replies aren't buried in list digests.
>
> Thanks...
>
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Re: Leap second

[Henry Schaffer]

Also see: http://www.wired.com/2015/01/torvalds_leapsecond/

--henry schaffer

On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Mark Post mp...@suse.com wrote:

  On 5/14/2015 at 06:24 PM, J O Skip Robinson jo.skip.robin...@sce.com
 wrote:
  Someone here has asked about our preparedness for the upcoming Leap
 Second on
  Linux systems, most of which here run on wienie-ware. But we do have some
  guests on z/VM. There were references to the need for a kernel update for
  some releases of some distributions. Apparently there was a Leap Second
 in
  2012, which we seemed to survive in blissful ignorance. Any issues with
 this
  one?

 SUSE has published a technical bulletin on the topic.  See
 https://www.suse.com/support/kb/doc.php?id=7016150 for details.  I'm
 guessing Red Hat would have something similar online.


 Mark Post

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Re: Anyone has experience on selling zLinux at fixed price?

[Henry Schaffer]

It might be a good idea to have a burst out option. I.e., that once
in a while the cap can be exceeded without triggering an extra charge.
(My cell phone plan has this arrangement for one month after 6 months
of staying within the limit.) This can enhance customer satisfaction
while still restraining resource abusers.

--henry schaffer

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 3:42 AM, Agblad Tore tore.agb...@volvo.com wrote:
 Thank's, that sounds like a good idea.
 Yes we have such tools, that is no problem.

 BR /Tore

 
 Tore Agblad
 zOpen Teamleader
 IT Services

 Volvo Group Headquarters
 Corporate Process  IT
 Assar Gabrielssons väg 9
 SE-405 08, Gothenburg  Sweden
 E-mail: tore.agb...@volvo.com
 http://www.volvo.com/volvoit/global/en-gb/


 -Original Message-
 From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Barton 
 Robinson
 Sent: den 25 februari 2015 5:45
 To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
 Subject: Re: Anyone has experience on selling zLinux at fixed price?

 I've looked at the amazon and google chargeback models.  One of their
 options is a fixed price until some number of CPU hours is exceeded.
 This allows the 'easy' fixed fee, but also controls the resource
 abuser.  You would have to have tools in place to alert the abuser that
 they have gone beyond their allotted resource consumption.


 On 2/23/2015 5:02 AM, James Vincent wrote:
 Hello!

 There are going to be a lot of ideas on how to do charging all the way from
 we don't charge back to we charge by the micro-process.

 Fixed-price charging is good for very well contained zLinux servers.  Using
 SHARE ABSOLUTE and even CPU POOLING can help with this.  CPU POOLING is
 really good if you are thinking of mixing those fixed-resource servers with
 high-performance or premium services servers.  There are pros and cons to
 fixed price charging.  A pro is it is MUCH easier than any other kind of
 charging (other than no-cost!).  A con is that some folks may think they
 are being charged too much if they really don't use it that much or that
 heavy, and some may not be thrilled being capped when they want to run
 something heavy for a short while.

 We use a variable rate based on consumption for most of our servers. We
 also have lab servers that are contained within SHARE ABS. We have
 processes to cap non-premium production servers when they get out of hand
 and the entire processor has been running in the high 90's for CPU. We use
 zVPS to collect all the data for the processor/LPARs and the zLinux servers
 to evaluate what they are up to every minute. Using that data, we are able
 to charge-back to the business units based on what they consume by
 process/application. There is a small base charge for just having a server,
 then the use of resources adds to it. This was all built over the last 10
 years and we are still tuning it!

 Figuring out what your business will accept for charging is the hard part.
 Between the knobs in z/VM and performance monitoring/collecting tools
 available, you can make it work the way you need it.



 -- *James Vincent*
 -- President, SHARE Inc.
 -- Calendar: http://tinyurl.com/JSVCalWeek
 -- SHARE is an independent volunteer-run information technology association
 that provides *education*, professional *networking *and industry
 *influence*

 On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:10 AM, Agblad Tore tore.agb...@volvo.com wrote:

 This seems to be the biggest hinder for most people to start using Linux
 on z.
 Anyone having done this ?
 There is a number of options to limit cpu and resources, SHARE and setting
 max memory for example. Is this helping out here ?

 BR /Tore

 
 Tore Agblad
 zOpen Teamleader
 IT Services

 Volvo Group Headquarters
 Corporate Process  IT
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Re: Golden anniversary

[Henry Schaffer]

On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Michael MacIsaac mike99...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hey everyone,

 The mainframe is 50 years old today -


  Perhaps the 360 is 50 years old - but that wasn't the first mainframe.
From IBM the 700 series (and I think even the 7000 seriew) and the 650 came
years before that!

--henry schaffer


 guess there aren't too many
 technologies that can claim that.

 Here are a couple of Web articles:


 http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/04/06/ibm-mainframes-mark-50th-anniversary/7364535/
 http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26886579

 Also, there's a Web event tomorrow:

 http://www.ibm.com/mainframe50/

 -Mike MacIsaac

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Re: [ANNOUNCE] s390 31 bit kernel support removal

[Henry Schaffer]

I keep on wanting to add something to this great conversation - but IMHO
the important points are being made - so, to satisfy my desire, I'll just
comment a bit on the fringe -

On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 6:25 PM, David Boyes dbo...@sinenomine.net wrote:

  OK, dumb question of the day.It's linux right?  Why would you keep
 one of
  those machines for Linux when you could go down to best buy and get
  something with more horsepower?
  Unless you lost the source code or something...

 Short answer: by now, the H30/H50 is almost always completely paid for,
 doesn't require any additional extra space or power, doesn't imply
 increases to MLC and software charges, and adding Linux applications to it
 adds value to the machine, and is another reason to prevent/avoid an
 expensive migration process that likely as not won't improve their business
 or operations (in almost every case, the non-IBM replacements for their VM
 or VSE-based systems are less reliable and less functional). Many of these
 customers have long term 3rd party hardware support contracts, and any
 change in the hardware to modern IBM gear would be dramatically more
 expensive. Many of these customers also still have internal DASD in the
 MP3Ks, and can't afford moving to external disk. IBM also really doesn't
 have much to offer these customers; was trying to help a IBMer with a
 customer like this in rural Louisiana who wanted to migrate of a H50, but
 couldn't -- every option IBM possessed cost at least 3 times what they were
 paying in MLC charges, even hosting the whole mess on IBM-owned gear in a
 SO center. A zPDT would have been an awesome solution for them -- but they
 couldn't qualify.

 These are SMALL customers (obviously, if they can continue to live on
 H30/H50 hardware) -- school districts, little manufacturing companies,
 small cities/towns, that kind of customer.


  I've dealt with some of these - small and outside major metropolitan
areas - where skilled personnel are rare and really hard to find, let alone
afford. Worse than that, the need may be for only 1 FTE, but consistingof
hardware, OS, communication, infrastructure and application software, ...,
skills that seldom, if ever can be found in one person.


 They have zero margins, and zero upgrade money. If they can continue to
 get more out of what they have (and improve services -- example case: the
 z/VM 4.4 SSL server could only serve 200 connections. Period. A Linux-based
 SSL server could handle close to 900 on the same iron), then they win AND
 they stay on IBM technology and keep paying those MLC bills month after
 month.


  So even though a few bare linux servers (one can put together an awesome
linux box from under $500 in parts from Newegg - whoops - that requires a
few more skills) could give a fantastic cost/benefit ratio from that piece
of the puzzle, David and others are rightly looking at the entire puzzle in
a real context.

--henry schaffer

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Re: Lenovo buys x series

[Henry Schaffer]

Does the low end server category include the Flex/Blade Center?

--henry schaffer


On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Dave Jones d...@vsoft-software.comwrote:

 from IBM for $2.3 billion.
 -
 Dave Jones
 V/Soft Software
 www.vsoft-software.com
 Houston, TX
 281.578.7544

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Re: Maximizing (IBM) shareholder value: The goal that changed corporate America

[Henry Schaffer]

On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 2:02 PM, John Campbell soup...@gmail.com wrote:

 ,,,

 No one can serve two masters, and even a publicly traded corporation
 has to choose its loyalty carefully... and not being loyal to the
 customers will not do the share-holders a lot of good ...


  I was a customer back then, and was unhappy at being told that I
shouldn't buy what I/we thought we needed - but to buy what we were told to
buy. (This didn't happy *all* the time, but often enough to be very
bothersome.)

  The bureaucracy was enormous and arrogant.

(shrugs)


  Me, too.


 It probably does not help that share-holders-- especially the
 institutional variety-- can force the mighty to the floor...


  From my point of view, neither the customers nor the share-holders were
being well served.

   ...

--henry schaffer

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Re: Sad new from Raleigh

[Henry Schaffer]

And the circumstances were tragic - hit and run driver who had lost his
drivers license.

http://www.thedurhamnews.com/2013/07/10/3020241/durham-mourns-cyclist-killed-in.html

--henry schaffer


On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 12:22 AM, Chip Davis c...@aresti.com wrote:

 Red Hat employee Seth Vidal, 36, was biking near his home in Durham
 around 9 p.m. Monday when he was hit from behind by a hit-and-run
 driver.  He was pronounced dead at Duke University Hospital.

 Vidal worked for Red Hat as the lead developer of Yum, an automated
 system updater used around the world.

 -Chip-

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Re: Excel replacement for linux on z

[Henry Schaffer]

I've just started looking at macros under in Calc (Open/Libre Office)
and there appears to be a significant difference in the way
complicated macros are handled. At this early stage of looking, there
seems to be a major problem in migrating a macro-rich spreadsheet.

Please tell me that it is not a problem and how to do it! :-)

--henry schaffer

On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Herczeg, Zoltan
zol...@krasdalefoods.com wrote:
 Our operators run many excel vb macros for production on a windows pc. I 
 wanted to move this workload to a virtual linux machine on our ifl. Does 
 anyone have any suggestions for an excel replacement that will run on a linux 
 virtual machine under z/vm?

 Thanks
 Zoltan

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Re: Speed of BASH script vs. Python vs. Perl vs. compiled

[Henry Schaffer]

On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 8:55 PM, John McKown
john.archie.mck...@gmail.com wrote:
 Interesting. I've tried looking at R, but just can't get the time to read
 the the books I've bought.

  I've been doing some analyses with R. It is *very* complex with lots
and lots of commands. I've found faculty who teach courses in which R
is used will often give a small subset of commands to use for that
course. On the other hand, because of the complexity, it is very
flexible and allows very complex analyses to be done.

  For my amusement, I've been making a list of the different commands
as I run into them - and would be glad to share it - let me know if
you would like me to e-mail you a copy. (It's long enough that I'd
rather not send it to the list.)

--henry schaffer

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Re: xcat?

[Henry Schaffer]

Many VCL installations (vcl.apache.org) use xCAT for their bare metal
loads.

--henry schaffer

On Saturday, September 1, 2012, Thang Pham thang.p...@us.ibm.com wrote:

 The main xCAT site is at
 http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/xcat/index.php?title=Main_Page .
 There are two tarballs required for xCAT: xcat-core
 (
http://sourceforge.net/projects/xcat/files/xcat/2.7.x_Linux/xcat-core-2.7.4.tar.bz2
)
  and the latest xcat-dep (
 http://sourceforge.net/projects/xcat/files/xcat-dep/2.x_Linux/).  Once you
 obtain those packages, these instructions should show you how to install
 xCAT:

http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/xcat/index.php?title=XCAT_zVM#Installation_of_xCAT
 .

 xCAT requires SMAPI and DirMaint, so those need to be installed in order
 for xCAT to fully work.  The documentation for those installations are on
 the same website.  xCAT is written in Perl, so there are no source
 packages.

 -
 Thang Pham
 IBM Poughkeepsie



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 To: LINUX-390@vm.marist.edu,
 Date:   09/01/2012 11:53 AM
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 As of July 13, 2012, a service contract for xCAT on z/VM is available for
 purchase from IBM.

 I'm looking at what's on SourceForge.  I see what appear to be
architecture
 dependent packages, but no source RPMs or tarballs.  What am I missing?


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Re: Fwd: Secret Computer Code Threatens Science: Scientific American

[Henry Schaffer]

On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 3:19 AM, Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com
 wrote:

  ...
 To me it is quite logical that the verification should involve the verifier
 writing their own program. If the same program is used then the same
 results
 would be expected.


  Logical, but is it feasible? I doubt that I would review a paper for a
journal if it meant having to spend a year, or even a month,
writing/debugging/testing my own version.


 Obviously the formulas used should be disclosed for peer review.


  Yes.

--henry schaffer

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Fwd: Secret Computer Code Threatens Science: Scientific American

[Henry Schaffer]

On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 3:19 AM, Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com
 wrote:

   ...
 To me it is quite logical that the verification should involve the verifier
 writing their own program. If the same program is used then the same
 results
 would be expected.


  Logical, but is it feasible? I doubt that I would review a paper for a
journal if it meant having to spend a year, or even a month,
writing/debugging/testing my own version.


 Obviously the formulas used should be disclosed for peer review.


  Yes.

--henry schaffer

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Re: Fwd: Secret Computer Code Threatens Science: Scientific American

[Henry Schaffer]

On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com
 wrote:

 On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 11:23:51 -0400 Henry Schaffer h...@unity.ncsu.edu
 wrote:

 :On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 3:19 AM, Binyamin Dissen 
 bdis...@dissensoftware.com
 : wrote:
 .
 : To me it is quite logical that the verification should involve the
 verifier
 : writing their own program. If the same program is used then the same
 : results
 : would be expected.

 :  Logical, but is it feasible? I doubt that I would review a paper for a
 :journal if it meant having to spend a year, or even a month,
 :writing/debugging/testing my own version.

 If the person cannot write the program from the algorithm, how can he
 possibly
 review someone else's implementation of it?


  What is a reviewer's responsibility? Quite some time ago, I entered into
some correspondence with the journal editor who sent me a paper to review.
(This was in an experimental area of science.) The editor was an excellent
and experienced scientist - and he was emphatic that it was not the
reviewer's responsibility to guarantee the correctness of the manuscript -
nor was it even always possible. For example, several assumptions may be
explicitly made - and it may be impossible to determine if they are
correct. He went on to describe the reasonable effort which should be made
to look at the design of the experiments, the reasonableness of the results
and the interpretation, the clarity of the communication, etc.

  I understand that in theoretical and mathematical areas it may be
reasonable to verify a proof.

  The case being discussed seems, to me, to fall in-between my two
examples.  For large codes, it seems to me to be closer to the experimental
example. I can imagine the reviewer asking for a copy of the code, and
running it with the reviewer's own input. But even that may go beyond what
a reviewer can reasonably be expected to do.

  What are the choices?
1) Refuse to publish any papers which involve a large code?
2) Accept such papers with no review at all?
3) Ask reviewers for a reasonable effort in determining accept/reject.


 : Obviously the formulas used should be disclosed for peer review.

 :  Yes.


--henry schaffer

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Re: SAS

[Henry Schaffer]

On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Aria Bamdad a...@bsc.gwu.edu wrote:
 Thanks for this link.  I was not aware of WPS.  We will seriously take a
 look at this product.

 Although R is an excellent alternative as David Boyes suggested, it is so
 only from a statistical analysis point of view.  When it comes to data
 management and manipulation, it is not really a good alternative to SAS.
  ...

  From my limited experience, R is a very flexible statistical
analysis system, but is more suited to investigating and modifying
statistical analyses than to the actual analysis of realistically
large quantities of data. That merges with the data manipulation
comment above.

--henry schaffer

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Re: Please don't reply and change the subject

[Henry Schaffer]

My university uses gmail, and I use the web interface to gmail. When I
receive an e-mail and read it, I can click and Show original which I
take to be the plain smtp mail message. I took two messages which are
threaded together in this thread and check as to how they might have
been threaded.

Message-ID: This line differs between the two - apparently it comes
from the origin of that mail. So even if it is an old standard, I
don't see how it can be used for threading.

Then there are some X-pstn-* lines:
X-pstn-levels:
X-pstn-settings:
which have the same contents in both - but because they are apparently
Postini spam setting related, I don't think they are used for
threading.

The only other heading content which seems to be left is
Subject - and those were the same. (I think that the mail client
disregards and initial Re: for the purpose of threading.

Next - I searched and found:
http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?hl=enanswer=5900
which contains:
A conversation will break off into a new thread if the subject line
of the conversation is changed, or if the conversation reaches over
100 messages.

My conclusion that that my gmail does thread by Subject: and only by Subject:

--henry schaffer

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Re: Please don't reply and change the subject

[Henry Schaffer]

On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 7:43 PM, Chip Davis c...@aresti.com wrote:
 Again I respectfully request that when you wish to start a new topic,
 that you not Reply to some arbitrary email to arrive from the
 LINUX-390 listserver and change the 'Subject:' line.

 Please start a fresh compose/write/new session in your email client.
 Simply changing the 'Subject:' line does not remove the internal
 references to the previous email(s).

  Does this depend on the mail client?

 Many of us depend on threading clients to manage the flood of email
 because all replies can be collapsed under the original post.  When
 you Reply and change the subject, your note, and all replies to it,
 are buried under the original 'Subject:' email.

  I also depend on a threading client -

  I'm also someone who will change the subject  when I want to send
out mail to a group of addresses - and thought that with a new subject
would start a new thread.

  So I just ran a minor test.  I took some a message to me, changed
the subject and then mailed it to myself and looked at the full mail
headers.  I didn't see any trace of the old Subject. So I don't see
how the old header could affect your threading.

  Might it be that some mailers work differently?

--henry schaffer

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Re: Scientific Linux

[Henry Schaffer]

I think that it would be productive for Cameron to describe what he
wants this to do.  My guess (based on knowing Cameron and he area of
work) is that he doesn't want to do serious computational science (aka
heavy number crunching). Rather he wants to explore this area on a
mainframe, demo what the mainframe does when including this in the mix
and train students on these aspects of a mainframe environment.

--henry schaffer

On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 3:04 PM, John Campbell soup...@gmail.com wrote:
 Cameron Seay wrote:
 What would I have to do to get a distro to run on z/VM?  I want to run
 Scientific Linux, but there does not appear to be a version for VM.  Do I
 need to make modifications in the source code and recompile it?

 The greatest weakness I see to a Scientific Linux on a mainframe
 (especially under z/VM) is that the workload if heavy on computation--
 the resource most shared-- rather than hammering I/O (which mainframes
 have optimized for bandwidth and connectivity).

 Now I've done some heavy number crunching way in the past (when a
 120MFLOP array processor was still hot stuff) and it can hammer a
 system flat (all right, so I was working w/ a UNIVAC 1100/80 w/ a
 DataWest Array Processor... and I handled microcode and I/O management
 to do 3D FFT benchmarks in efforts to sell to oil companies for
 exploration) and thinking about sharing CPUs with an instance doing
 anything like that kind of workload kinda makes me break out into
 hives.

 Remember, a mainframe's CPU is optimized for best reliable
 single-thread performance (think about balancing B-Trees, for
 instance, or the Merge phase of sort/merge) and the impact of making
 the CPU (or CP) reliable imposes its own burden (Ref: Appendix A
 of Linux for the S/390).

 Yeah, you can do it.  Maybe you'd be best looking (memory failure,
 distro name not handy!!!) at the distro that downloads source packages
 and compiles them as you build up the system (dammit, I can't believe
 the hole in my memory).

 (sighs)

 I can't trust my memory because it isn't accurate:  I recall looking a
 lot younger 30 years ago.

 -soup

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Re: Porting old application- numeric keypad

[Henry Schaffer]

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 10:06 PM, John McKown joa...@swbell.net wrote:
 On Wed, 2011-12-14 at 18:34 -0500, Smith, Ann (ISD, IT) wrote:
 Took a while to figute out what they had done.
 Keep telling them to stop pulling everything over from HPUX server.


 I do have another question for folks
 They seemed to have used the dircmp command a lot - in particular 'dircmp -d'
 It appears that linux distro does not have dircmp
 Trying to find an equivalent for SLES10


 I am not an expert in any way, shape, or form. But that's never stopped
 me from talking. grin
 Looking here: http://nixdoc.net/man-pages/hp-ux/man1/dircmp.1.html
 quote
 -d      Compare the contents of files with the same name in both
                   directories and output a list telling what must be
                   changed in the two files to bring them into agreement.
                   The list format is described in diff(1).
 /quote
 it appears to me that GNU diff would do some similar functions.

 diff dir1 dir2

diff does compare files

dir1 and dir1 need to be files - but they are directories

even if the contents of the directories are put into files, e.g.
ls dir1  dir1-file
then the diff will show how the two directories differ, and not say
anything about the contents of files with the same name in both
directories

  I think I've seen references to a script which will go through the
steps described above for   dircmp -d

--henry schaffer

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Re: OT: TCU in Fort Worth

[Henry Schaffer]

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 8:37 PM, Alan Ackerman
alan.acker...@earthlink.netwrote:

 Small world: I learned FORTRAN when I was in high school, using TCU's
 IBM1620. We used a keypunch and punched cards, though, no terminals or paper
 tape were available.


Did you know that the 1620 did arithmetic by table lookup - and it stored
the tables in RAM - so you had to load the tables each time it was turned
on.  One could load octal tables and then it did octal arithmetic!

--henry schaffer

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Re: excellent explanation of cloud computing....

[Henry Schaffer]

On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 2:16 PM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com
 wrote:

 I thought the paper tape TTYs were called ASR (Automatic Send Receive?)
 instead of KSR (Keyboard Send Receive).  ...


  You are right - The TTY33ASR had 8 level punched paper tape, and the modem
was 110 baud (in those days that equalled 110bps) as it sent 10cps and a
character was one start bit, 8 bits for the character - even parity, and 2
stop bits.  Mine was used as a terminal to a 360.

--henry schaffer

P.S. There was one which sent Baudot - and needed shift up/down codes for
the full character set.

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Re: Adding users to RedHat 5.4

[Henry Schaffer]

On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 7:21 PM, Richard Troth vmcow...@gmail.com wrote:

 If I understand the requirement, then you probably want to create
 normal users and simply add them to the /etc/sudoers file.  That will
 give them superuser authority via 'sudo', which is generally the
 better way to do it.


  Yes!

  That gets rid of the bulk of stupid errors which happen when a person
forgets they have superuser authority.  (Not all, but most - and I'm
speaking from sorry experience.)

--henry schaffer

P.S. And if one has a *lot* of work to do - and typing sudo over and over
gets annoying - then using
% sudo bash
can save that effort - just remember to exit asap

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Re: Poor man's top

[Henry Schaffer]

For us new to linux can anyone explain what this does? Tks Matt

   top gives the processes running on the CPU along with such info as who is
the user, and the very important  %CPU usage, and it refreshes/updates every
few seconds.  It's a really good tool for checking on performance slowdowns,
etc.

  But, on many systems, one needs root to run it, e.g.  sudo top

  So this alternative does much of the same, but doesn't need root
privileges.
The core of it is the   ps aux  command - try it out - probably via   ps aux
| more
(actually I use less as being more capable than more but some systems
don't have less)

and then the rest is presentation - and thewatch   is to repeat it.

--henry schaffer

-Original Message-
 From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of
 Scott Rohling
 Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 12:39 PM
 To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
 Subject: Poor man's top

 I found this buried in some notes..   thought others might enjoy it.   Much
 less overhead then top.. :

 watch -n 10 -d 'ps aux --sort -%cpu | cut -c1-0 | head -20'

 Scott Rohling


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Re: Free Oracle

[Henry Schaffer]

Rich writes:
This is interesting...

Free Oracle Database Takes On MySQL, SQL Server Express

Oracle on Friday posted a freebie version of its 10g product to the
Oracle Technical Network (OTN). Oracle Database 10g Express Edition,
or XE, targets hobbyists, new database developers and others who might
want to try out the technology.

  I've searched the OTN and Oracle sites for this - with no success.  If
anyone finds it, please post the URL.
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Re: IP Networks survive disasters?

[Henry Schaffer]

Adam writes:
On Oct 11, 2005, at 11:15 AM, Tom Duerbusch wrote:
 I'm sitting here waiting for the network types to do some routing to
 the new IP addresses they assigned to our IFL.  Still nothing.  Not that
 it is high priority in their books, but wasn't this suppose to be
 automatic?

If they're running a routing protocol that accepts updates from
arbitrary nodes, it is.

 In most shops, can you just plug in and it works?  Or is it more like
 the SNA world, where you had to wait for me to do the NCP gens and
 bring
 it up and test and?

It depends.

  Agreed - and policy considerations come into play.

No one in his right mind would allow routing updates on a network on
which truly arbitrary devices could plug in.   ...

On the other hand, a well-designed core infrastructure ought to
(IMHO) have multiple paths and dynamic routing so that the failure of
a device in the core is not fatal to anyone's connectivity.  Whether
or not the devices in the core need to explicitly be told about new
devices that will issue routing updates is a policy matter.  In a
network *I* designed and got to run, they would.

  Many of our networks require registration of new wired devices which
includes getting the department and responsible person recorded, and
also we register the MAC address.  This *policy* is extra work, but we
find that it avoids a *lot* of problems.

  For wireless devices, no registration is required, but authentication
at connection time is required.
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Re: PHP-based Content Management Programs Under Threat

[Henry Schaffer]

  Perl cgi scripts can also be written so as to allow all sorts of
security breaches.  But good (secure) practices are quite well known and
have been so since antiquity.  E.g. see Chapter 8: Security in CGI
Programming with Perl 2/3 by Guelich, et al 2000.

  Perhaps we don't hear much about these security lapses any more
because they don't happen much because people know how to avoid them?

--henry schaffer

Because it's easy and fashionable.  Good old Perl has no luster now
that PHP is here.  A lot of the Linux magazines tout PHP with MySQL
close to the second coming.  It's 42.

On 7/5/05, Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello from Gregg C Levine
 Is it just me, or are the exact same PHP security risks being
 discussed on the security lists for Slackware? They keep posting newer
 packages with those complaints fixed. Or so it would seem.

 And if there are so many such problems surfacing, then why are so many
 sites being created with them?

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Re: Pro-SCO hits a new low

[Henry Schaffer]

Rick writes:
On Wed, 11 May 2005, Jon Brock wrote:
 It's worth noting that she herself received death threats
 after the article was published.  It's not just the pro-SCO's
 who are capable of sliminess.

Indeed.  Interesting,  and sad.
I've enjoyed reading MOG's headlines for quite some time.
Never got a hint that she was  Pro-SCO  until this Groklaw scuffle.

In balance,  I've relished everything that I've had time to read
from Groklaw.

  Ditto.

But I've always been bothered by PJ's secrety
identiy fixation.   (Not that there aren't real concerns that would
keep one from being completely open.)

  I haven't been bothered at all by this.  IMHO, people have a right to
write/post anonymously.  This can make harder to trust such writings,
but that's an acceptable tradeoff.  Furthermore, most of the material
there that I've read has been links, transcriptions or posted by others.

So ... really ... WHO is the slimier here?

  It is not at all slimy to post anonymously - so the only relevant
question is whether MOG's article was slimy.  IMHO it clearly was.  ALL
of the relevant information could have been posted without personal
details (such as address information.)

Gotta wonder if it is  (forgive me)  a bit of a cat fight.

  Even if that is true, and there is no evidence that it is, that doesn't
excuse what MOG did.

--henry schaffer

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Re: Document management software

[Henry Schaffer]

Well, what is large?

Most of what we have as large reports are in the 10,000 to 20,000 page
range.

  What's that in MegaBytes?  If they are fairly solid printing of text,
that might give 40 lines/page averaging 50 characters/line = 2KB/page.
That's 2MB per 1000 pages.  So the large reports are 20-40MB.  That's
more than one wants to have on one web page, but not out of line for a
report that one intentionally downloads.

  If the reports are divided into many sections, then the sections might
fit, one per web page.

Then, we have our large reports, ranging from 200,000 to
600,000 pages.  Yep, we do print them.  But they have very little
content on them.  They compress very well.

  I'm not going to guess the MB size of these - but very little
content translates into not-huge files, even if not compressed.

  If the searching does a good job of identifying the target files, then
accessing them via the web might be reasonable.

--henry schaffer
 ...

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electrical power - Was: Re: Debian touts dropping full dev for certain archit ectures (incl. S/390)

[Henry Schaffer]

Scott writes:
On Wed, 16 Mar 2005, Phil Howard wrote:
 On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 07:23:24AM -0500, shogunx wrote:
 | On Wed, 16 Mar 2005, Phil Howard wrote:
 |  | That part I have.  What I do not have is 3-phase power to run it.
 | 
 |  What voltage and amperage does it need?
 |
 | 3-phase 440V most likely about 20-30 amps.

 You'll need at least 25 kVA.  That's as much power as a small house.  Then
 add air conditioning.  Not sure whether upgrading electric service or buying
 a generator would cost more.  Maybe renting one long enough to see if it
 will power up could be done.  What are your goals for it?

 Is it literally 440 volts, or is that just a figure of speech for what is
 officially 480 volts (if you are in the US)?

Well, according to ohms law, it should work at 440, though with a higher
current draw.  You are correct.  3-phase each phase 120 degrees out of
phase from the others at 120V per phase yields 3 discrete 240V circuits
(actually about 208V after phase shift, but for all practical purposes its
the same thing, and depends on whether you use a wye or delta
configuration in your transformer).  So figure of speech it is.  In an
electic company FUD kind of way.

  Even if 208 (derived from 3 phase service) and 220/240 (the normal
single phase service found in homes and small businesses) are all
not-too-far-apart, so that many times one can ignore the difference and
some kinds of equipment will still run fine, it is not always the case -
especially for equipment with motors.  (It is my impression that
switching power supplies are extremely tolerant of variations in input
voltage.)

  I've been involved in situations where equipment which was specified
for 220-240V required a boost transformer to run properly.

--henry schaffer
 ...

P.S. the nominal single phase voltage in the US is 120V (or maybe 115V
- or maybe even 110V :-)  It is half of the hot-to-hot voltage
(nominally 240V), and my local power company specifies +/- 5% for
residential use and +/- 10% for other retail.

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Re: Progress on PL/1 for Linux

[Henry Schaffer]

Alan writes:
 ...
APL hasn't exactly gone away, its just mutated 8)
http://www.aplusdev.org/
http://wwwbio.leidenuniv.nl/~batenburg/wekapl.html#s9

Soliton have APL for Linux including S/390
http://www.soliton.com/sharp-linux.html

  A mathematician colleague of mine has used APL for a long time, and he
is still using the IBM product - but that is now called APL2 and is
still actively supported IBM software.  He's very happy with it.
http://www-306.ibm.com/software/awdtools/apl/
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Re: Progress on PL/1 for Linux

[Henry Schaffer]

Robert P. Nix writes:

Sorry, I don't share your excitement... I find it hard to get into any
language that the defaults would allow you to add three positive
numbers, get a result of zero, and not throw some sort of error or
warning. The language wasn't well conceived.

  It's been a very long time since I last used PL/I, but I don't
remember anything about its arithmetic which would give this result.
IIRC it basically used the underlying 360/370 hardware for arithmetic.

  Could you say more about this intriguing error?

--henry schaffer

P.S. I didn't care for PL/I because of its complexity and awkwardness,
but I don't remember this type of error.

P.P.S. One can make this happen in most any language by creative use of
roundoff in float-integer conversions.  E.g. I = 0.45; J = 0.4; K = 0.35
and then total = I + J + J  will sum to zero.  I wouldn't consider this
a language problem.

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Re: Baystar and SCO apparently make peace

[Henry Schaffer]

Phil writes:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/06/02/sco_baystar_agreement/

I must say I don't entirely understand it yet.

  Here's my cynical take:

Baystar invested $20m in Series A stock and later bought another $20m
from RBC (I didn't see what they paid - call it $xm).  So they have
invested $(20+x)m.

In April, Baystar tried to get a refund from SCO for (all?) its Series A
stock - giving various reasons.

Clearly SCO didn't want to refund the $20-40m, and maybe had some
aspects of the anti-stock-dumping agreement on its side, but it agreed
to negotiate.

The two side agreed on something which the article seems to describe as
ending up with SCO giving Baystar $13m plus two million ordinary
shares.

So Baystar retrieved maybe 50% of its cash $(20+x)m investment and got 2m
shares (worth or potentially worth?) - sure beats 10cents on the dollar;
SCO got out of paying $20-40m in cash by paying $13m (33-65%) plus some
shares.
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Re: BEWARE: virus masquerading as fm: marist with WORM_BAGLE.GEN-1 in MSG.zip attachment.

[Henry Schaffer]

Gregg C Levine writes:
... one of the members of the KDE desktop software kit insists it can
read, and write to those documents prepared by Microsoft. ...

  I routinely use Open and/or Star Office on Linux and Win2000 to read
Microsoft documents (Word/Exel/PPT).  It usually works well, sometimes
has some strangeness such as wrong fonts/sizes, and rarely won't work.

  I've never tried with Lotus, as I never get them.

--henry schaffer

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Re: German Finance Ministry Division Chooses Linux

[Henry Schaffer]

Phil Payne writes:
 The computers replace 30 computer servers from Sun Microsystems
 Inc.and Fujitsu Siemens that run versions of the popular Unix
 operating system that Linux is based upon, IBM spokeswoman
 Sandra Dressel said.

I only just noticed this.  Linux based upon UNIX?  Unfortunate thing to say.

  I don't understand why this is the wrong thing to say.  IMHO based
upon is a decent statement - Unix came first, and Linux uses pretty
much the same commands, the same general organization, ..., and it made
to have essentially the same look and feel - isn't it?

  Now - if they had said derived from, I'd feel differently.

  Or does based upon mean something different on opposite sides of the
pond?

--henry schaffer

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Re: Just stirring the pot

[Henry Schaffer]

Being an ol' mainframe guy of 35+ years who has looked at a lot of
languages, I say REXX in conjunction with PIPELINES is unbeatable in terms
of writing speed and conciseness. You can get a lot of function in a few
lines of code.

  I'm not sure that is a what we really need - for example I suspect
that one can get even more with APL !

  My own vote is that Perl's capabilities and power are more important
than its rough edges.  (As another ol' mainframe guy of ... years - the
jobs I had to do in SNOBOL4 or SPITBOL on the mainframe go much better
today in Perl on any platform.)

--henry schaffer

P.S. I'm more ol' than ever, but have pretty much moved out of
mainframe.

PLEASE don't discuss McD/coffee! Was: Re: SCO sues Novell

[Henry Schaffer]

And it's McDonald's fault she's stupid enough  ...

  I've seen this same topic discussed in many mailing lists and
news.groups.

  It almost always just pits two camps against each other:
1)Those who feel that the plaintif shouldn't be compensated for stupidity
2)Those who feel that the plaintif should be compensated for corporate
carelessness, indifference and wrongdoing.

  This doesn't yield anything whatsoever of value - and the two sides
just flail away.

  I suggest (beg/plead/...) that this be dropped on this list!

--henry schaffer

Red Hat Open Source Assurance

[Henry Schaffer]

  Red Hat Announces Open Source Assurance to Safeguard Customer Investment

  Program features warranty to guarantee customers the right to use
Red Hat Enterprise Linux without interruption.

  ...
A key feature of the Open Source Assurance Program is an Intellectual
Property Warranty. The warranty ensures, that in the event that an
infringement issue is identified in Red Hat Enterprise Linux software
code, Red Hat will replace the infringing code. Red Hat's warranty
assures customers that they can use Red Hat Enterprise Linux and related
solutions without interruption. The warranty is available for all
customers having a valid registered subscription to Red Hat Enterprise
Linux or related solutions.
 ...

--henry schaffer

P.S. See:
http://www.redhat.com/about/presscenter/2004/press_OS_assurance.html

Note that SCO is *not* mentioned! :-)

more on Red Hat protection

[Henry Schaffer]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storyu=/nf/20040120/bs_nf/23025

--henry schaffer

Re: Anyone Nagios? (GPL discussion)

[Henry Schaffer]

Jay writes:
There is absolutely nothing in this scenario that requires the software be
licensed under the GPL. Any Open Source Definition-compliant license will
serve.

  And there are lots of them.

  For a compendium of open source and related resources see:
http://www.ncsu.edu/it/open_source/

  Particularly relevant is the Licenses section.
--
--henry schaffer

Re: At last some real achiever being recognized by the monarch

[Henry Schaffer]

Everyone know that Al Gore invented the Internet. When is he being
knighted, and do they have a spot in the UK for him to live?

  Al Gore really did work on getting the Internet started - and perhaps
without his efforts we wouldn't have the modern Internet.  We'll never
know for sure - but he did play a role.

  No, he wasn't a technical sort - he was a Senator, and he did what a
Senator could do.  He worked to continue funding for an NSF project
called NSFnet - and he succeeded.  That kept NSF able to continue
funding the NSFnet, and developed into the Internet that we are using.

  It is really ironical that instead of getting recognized and thanked
for doing something he could do - he is ridiculed for not doing
something he couldn't do.  (And I think he is responsible for a lot of
this.)

--henry schaffer

P.S. Yes, I wuz there.

Re: OT: Re: Political Correctness goes mad in L.A. County (USA)

[Henry Schaffer]

Phil writes:
It is used, for instance, in automotive engineering.  A car with
hydraulic brakes - pretty well every car built since the early 1920s -
has a master cylinder attached to the pedal and slave cylinders on
each wheel hub.  The same applies, of course, to hydraulic clutches.

  For brakes, the terminology I've learned in the USA for brakes is
master and wheel cylinders.  I don't remember seeing a slave used
for a wheel cylinder.  I did a quick search of Google Groups, and
scanned the first 50 hits for slave cylinder - and they were all (or
nearly) about clutch slave cylinders.

--henry schaffer

Re: Replacing Win NT machines

[Henry Schaffer]

David Boyes writes:
...  Use of Kerberos and OpenAFS is another.

  North Carolina State University uses Kerberos 5 and AFS to achieve
this.  This is the Athena model.  It works very well.

--henry schaffer

SCO gives Linux users more time on license fee charges

[Henry Schaffer]

Watch out for the wrap:

http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/linux/story/0,10801,86164,00.html?nas=AM-86164

--henry schaffer

Re: OT: Intel gets virtualization clue?

[Henry Schaffer]

Paul,
  You ask:
I'm doing an article on the history of virtualization. I've picked up a
number of pieces off the internet. Anyone have any favorite sources on the
emergence of virtualization in computing?

  There were a series articles, IIRC, in the IBM Systems Journal (a
small format journal - pages about 5x7) by Hope Seagrave (Seagrove?)
and others from the Cambridge, MA center which might help.

--henry schaffer

Re: Notes server finally available on Linux for 390!

[Henry Schaffer]

Ryan Ware writes:
--
 From: Jim Sibley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 ...
 That's a really curious statement, Jim. IBM, one of
 the biggest user of Notes Clients on PC's, one of the
 biggest advocates of Linux and the owner of Notes
 can't justify the work so that they can get rid of
 microsoft inhouse and save itself the microsoft
 license fees? And, by the by, make Linux more
 attractive to PC clients?

 You'd think we'd be a bit more agressive internally.
 ...
Sun eats their own dogfood as far as desktops for the company,

  I've heard that they are going to Macs for portables.

however, it is in no way a giant success outside of Sun.

  This may be a combination of requiring it to be a bundle of hard- and
soft-ware.

I think IBM's thinking is that if we do this will anyone else want it.
Current trends don't show that they do want it.

  If IBM does not do it - it is guaranteed not be be adopted!

  IMHO IBM showed how don't support leads to decreased use wrt OS/2.
--
--henry schaffer

[OT] FORTRAN card format

[Henry Schaffer]

  A few weeks ago there were some questions about the card format - and
I didn't want to reply from memory.  But as a result of a successful
archeological expedition I now have before me a FORTRAN STATEMENT 80
column card (often called an IBM card although this specimen is from
EAC - I think that is Electronic Accounting Company) and an IBM manual
(GC28-6515-10  1974) for a *real* Fortran, FORTRAN IV.

  The card has columns 1-5 ruled off for Statement Number, with a C
above column 1 For Comment.  Then col 6 is Continuation.  Cols 7-72 are
for the statement, and 73-80 for Identification.

  The manual says the same thing, in more words, and also describes the
continuation card format.
--
--henry schaffer

Re: Ratio of new bugs per fix

[Henry Schaffer]

 (on average) every three lines of code modified
  to fix a bug introduces a new bug

  This doesn't seem right.

Hmmm... when I was last involved in this (1983/4) the
ratio was one bug per ten lines of code. I leave observations
about what this means to others.

  It may mean that APL is the best language, since most anything can be
computed in 9 lines or less?
--
--henry schaffer

Re: Benchmarks for Linux on zSeries, Solaris ...?

[Henry Schaffer]

 ... Now we are looking for Benchmarks to test the system  ...

  John mentioned the desirabililty of benchmarking with something
relevant to your workload - and I'll second that.  Also it is nice to
start with something relatively small and simple to make it easier to
work with and to analyze the results.

  My interest is in scientific computation, and I wanted to compare a
number of systems for typical floating point computation.  (Yes, I
know that this isn't the strong point of most of the systems we discuss
here.)  I talked with a expert, and came up with a very simple C program
which does a bunch of matrix multiplications - and which has data in
them so the compiler can't reduce (optimize out) the computation.
Also the different sizes used may show if system limitations are
reached.  I've run it on a variety of Linux and Solaris systems.
--
--henry schaffer

#include stdio.h
#include time.h
#define SIZE 1000
double a[SIZE][SIZE], b[SIZE][SIZE], c[SIZE][SIZE], tmp;
float secs;
int i, j, k, t, part;
clock_t clock(void);

int 
main (void)
{
/*initialize matrices with anything */
for (i=0; ipart; i++) {
  for (j=0; jpart; j++) {
a[i][j] = i + j;
b[i][j] = i - j;
  }
}
printf( mat  nom\n dim secs\n);
for (part = 100; partSIZE + 1; part += 50) {
  t = clock();
  /* double precision matrix multiply C = A B   */
  for (i=0; ipart; i++) {
for (j=0; jpart; j++) {
  tmp = 0;
  for (k=0; kpart; k++) {
tmp +=  a[i][k] * b[k][j];
  }
  c[i][j] = tmp;
}
  }
  secs = clock() - t;
  secs /= 100;  /* 1 mill ticks per second - in theory */
  printf(%4d %8.2f \n, part, secs);
}
return 0;
}

Re: IBM claims SCO conspiring with Microsoft over Linux

[Henry Schaffer]

Rod writes:
... After all, how many people have looked
at some code and said Oooh, that's neat! and then reused the
concept somewhere else?

  IANAL - but AFAIK concepts can't be copyrighted.  Certainly there is a
gray area between using the same concept and the protected derived
from - but there still is a difference.

--henry schaffer

Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...

[Henry Schaffer]

Yeah, I don't know which came first, the coding form or the symbol table =
design. And since everything had to fit into the first 72 columns of an =
80 column card, real estate was precious.

  For FORTRAN, wasn't the first column reserved to designate a Comment
card?  (I'm sure that the C had to go in col. 1, but I don't remember
if anything else could go there.)

--henry schaffer

Re: list admin: we're being tracked

[Henry Schaffer]

John writes:
 ...
Damn and blast:
   - Transcript of session follows -
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administrator
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I may be a little slow, but as yet I've not found an address there to
write to, despite this gem:
Our Future
How can we improve? Give us your feeback!
 ...

  Some of this may help:

Registrant:
Jeff Breidenbach (MAIL-ARCHIVE-DOM)
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   Domain Name: MAIL-ARCHIVE.COM

   Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
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  US
  650 210 9135

Name:www.mail-archive.com
Address:  216.218.240.194

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--henry schaffer

Re: Contrarian article

[Henry Schaffer]

Alan writes:
 ...
Note that SCO has stated that Solaris is clean.

  How can they possibly know?  Or do they have access to the Solaris
source?

--henry schaffer

Re: Ellison: StarOffice almost usable

[Henry Schaffer]

He is right, if there were an office suite that ran like Office on windows
available on Linux, it would be a no-brainer to switch.

  But I think that almost usable is too pessimistic.  I've been using
Star Office 6.0 on a Windows PC, and it is quite good for my uses.  I
particularly use the Star Office Writer - and find that it works really
well and smoothly for the general writing I do.  It opens and saves
in .doc format, as well as its native file format.  It even works with
the Track Changes capability (but calls it Record Changes - and it's
under the Edit Menu rather than Tools.)

  The minor stumbling blocks are these different names for things, and
such things as having to select the printer every time I print (it keeps
on reverting back to Acrobat Distiller - does anyone know how to change
the default printer?)  Out of the box Writer is set up to use metric
dimensions for margins, etc.  It took a couple of minutes with Help to
find the place to select inches.

  So, all in all, I consider these to be minor stumbling block - and
many of them would not be any problem for someone who started off by
using Writer, vs. a Word user who has to get accustomed to the
differences.

  I've used Calc for some simple work, but much less than Writer.  I've
had no trouble at all with it - and it has opened/saved the .xls files
I've used.

--henry schaffer

Re: not-LOL (was Re: LOL)

[Henry Schaffer]

Phil writes:
  ...
It could be very interesting indeed.

What happens if one member of the open source community takes IP from
somewhere and places it into the open source project without informing
the others?

Classicly anyone using that IP - even without knowing it even WAS
someone else's IP - could be pursued.

  IMHO (IANAL) it depends on what protection the IP has.  If a patent or
copyright is involved there is a legal path - but the person who
innocently used it is infringing but usually only gets a cease and
desist order.  There might be some financial penalties if the infringer
made money off this - but (improperly) using something labelled as open
source is probably a good defense.

  However trade secrets are usually only protected as long as they are
secret.  So once someone spills the beans, there is no problem with
other people using the former trade secret.  (But there could easily be
a suit against the one spilling the beans - which is what I think is the
substance of this suit.)

But how reasonable is it to expect everyone involved to follow an audit
trail for every modification ever proposed?  Making each contributor
prove that their contributions were untrammeled would throttle the open
source movement.

  Perhaps the problem is reverse - the owner of IP who says that some
open source material infringes, has to bring a complaint.  This could
take the form of a cease and desist letter to the distributors and/or
users - and then prove it in court if the use doesn't stop.

Open source isn't named as a defendant in this, but it IS under attack.

  Yes it is - but only to some extent.  The worst effect could be if
people worried that systems running Linux might have to be taken down.
Remember that Linux was up and running well before IBM contributed
anything to Linux (AFAIK) and so this suit provides no basis for
thinking that Linux will go away.  But I'm sure that someone will use it
for that purpose.
--
--henry schaffer

not-LOL (was Re: LOL)

[Henry Schaffer]

I think SCO is going to get themselves laughed out of court.  The burden of
proof is on them.

  I've just read through the complaint - and it is far from giggles.  It
says that IBM developed AIX under a Unix license, and then signed an
additional contract Project Monterey - and has taken proprietary code
from those and open-sourced it into Linux.

  This, if true, appears to be a clear breach of license/contract.  It
really doesn't have anything to do with Linux's quality or capabilities.

  Can SCO prove this?  They quote from the original Unix license (under
which IBM developed the AIX flavor) showing that the source code is
not to be disclosed.  Then, in paragraph 92, they quote an IBM VP saying,
We're willing to open source any part of AIX that the Linux community
considers valuable.  That certainly is not proof that IBM violated the
license - but it raises questions.

  Also note that the lead attorney for SCO (David Boies) has a rather
formidable reputation.  I wouldn't underestimate him.

--henry schaffer

Re: IBM stops Linux Itanium effort

[Henry Schaffer]

  The article is negative about the iTanium, but my colleagues in high
performance computing tell me that this is a *very* capable cpu which is
going head to head with the Power4.

--henry schaffer

Re: test

[Henry Schaffer]

My replies don't seem to be getting to the list.

  IIRC, there is a listserv setting which determines whether or not your
own messages get sent to you.
--
--henry schaffer

XSL - was Re: Network Trace

[Henry Schaffer]

  Does any one know about   xsl

  As in XSL Extensible Stylesheet Language used with XML (Exensible
Markup Language?)  If so, see any good XML reference.
--
--henry schaffer

Re: Z80 cpus and CP/M PL/I

[Henry Schaffer]

Alan writes:
That was back when even a personal computer hurt when you dropped it on
your foot 8)

Remember, Never trust a computer you can lift.?
--
--henry schaffer

Free Software - triggers junk?

[Henry Schaffer]

Hello from Gregg C Levine
That's screwy. Mark, that decidedly important post of yours was flagged
as junk mail by Outlook when it landed here.  ...

  I'm wondering if the phrase Free Software does it. - Hence this
reply is a test of my guess.

--henry schaffer

P.S. If you are interested in this topic, our resource page may be
helpful, it is at:
http://www.ncsu.edu/it/open_source/

Re: Upcoming Linux Roadshow Schedule 7/10 to 8/8

[Henry Schaffer]

Greg writes:
According to the way my computer does things, when an attachment of that
nature is opened, it means local. And on his box. Why that happened, is
beyond me.  ...

  I think I know what happened - and I see it happen quite often.

  When the user develops web pages on a local computer and then uploads
to the web server - Microsoft software typically keeps and uses the
local file name.  (It certainly is efficient.)  So when the user tries
to give the URL, the local file name often gets inserted.

  My solution is to ask the person for the URL.

--henry schaffer

Re: Invalid request received from yout

[Henry Schaffer]

subscribe linux-390 Bob Tegethoff - at Pepco
  Perhaps this must be
a valid e-mail address (such as  [EMAIL PROTECTED] in order for the
listserv software to recognize this line as a command?

--henry schaffer

Red Hat and business

[Henry Schaffer]

http://www.newsobserver.com/business/technology/story/1439714p-1471907c.html

Red Hat makes a deal

By DAN EGBERT, Staff Writer

RALEIGH - Red Hat's efforts to win big corporate customers got a boost
Wednesday with the announcement of a marketing agreement that pairs the
open-source software company with two of the biggest names in computing.

The Raleigh-based company is packaging its Linux operating system with
hardware from Dell and database software from Oracle in a bid to
increase confidence in Linux as a viable computing platform for major
business operations.

A year in the making, the deal was touted as Unbreakable Linux at an
event for press and customers at Oracle headquarters in Redwood Shores,
Calif.

Though this isn't the first agreement among these companies, the deal
was cast as the key to overcoming concerns that Linux would not perform
well in large-scale computer applications.

Today's announcement is significant because it's Oracle validating this
platform for prime time, said Kevin Thompson, Red Hat's chief financial
officer.

The deal is another step in Red Hat's quest to become a player in the
market for corporate customers, but it's way too early to call a
financial upside because of the deal, said Brent Williams, an analyst
for McDonald Investments in New York, who rates Red Hat stock hold.

  ...
--
--henry schaffer

Re: LinuxWorld Article series

[Henry Schaffer]

 ...
This is nothing really new.  Sharing a VM system with early releases of
MVS was unpleasant.

  I hear that it's no problem with the two in different LPARs, and that
running MVS as a guest under VM works well with a surprisingly small
performance hit (in the 2-3% ballpark.)
--
--henry schaffer

Re: Missing redbook chapter found!

[Henry Schaffer]

Mide writes:
From: Phil Payne [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  I've done the obvious and posted the 'missing' chapter from the Linux/390
  redbook on the web for those who need it. 47Kb, .rtf format.
 
  It's at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hercules-390/files/

Dangerous.  I doubt very much that an entire chapter that is so specific to
one topic can be copied and redistributed so widely under 'fair use'.

Suspected piffle. IANAL, but I have some familiarity with the concept of
'fair use'.

  I, too, ANAL, but I have worked closely with a number of IP attorneys
(in that field, IP = Intellectual Property) and have learned that there
is a substantial difference between the concept of fair use, and the
legal details.  This difference can affect conviction, penalties, etc.

Various factors go towards deciding whether 'fair use' is
infringing or not, including:

Amount used - well we've posted around 20 pages from over 500. The usual
rule of thumb (it may even be a rule of law?) is that up to 10% is ok.

  This might be a rule of thumb - I don't think it is a legally binding
criterion.

Even
IBM have conceded that the removal of this chapter constituted such a small
change that it didn't justify incrementing the version number.

  This would be a good argument in court in defense of a copyright
infringement charge.

Is the use non-commercial? - Yes. It's very clearly educational, no-one is
making any money from posting this.

  Yes, but IIRC this is more effective in arguing against monetary
damages than in arguing against infringement.

Does the 'fair use' affect the ability of the copyright holder to market the
work? No, doubly. First, anyone downloading the missing chapter is
undoubtedly still going to want to get the rest of the book from IBM. Two,
IBM *give* the damn thing away in the first place! They don't make a dime
from it!

  But this argument is philosophical (and I happen to agree with it) but
I don't think it is a direct defense against infringement.

To quote a useful source on copyright law:

The purpose of fair use is twofold: to protect the copyright holder's
market monopoly while preventing the market monopoly from being used to
inhibit (rather than promote) learning

  Here is another argument about purpose - even though I agree, in my
experience one can be convicted based on the actual law, case law, etc.
even when one feels that one is acting within the spirit of the purpose
(derived from, IIRC, Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution.)

One might cite this as a textbook example of using fair use to 'prevent the
market monopoly being used to inhibit learning' (removing the pages from the
redbook certainly seems designed to inhibit learning!).

  But you are not quoting law - you are quoting a discussion, and
furthermore you are quoting it somewhat out of context.  From the same
document:

2. Posting Copyrighted Article to Web Page

  SCENARIO F: A professor has posted his class notes on a
  Web page available to the public. He wants to scan an
  article from a copyrighted journal and add it to his Web
  page.

  QUESTION: Is this a fair use?

  ANSWER: It depends. If access to his Web page is
  restricted, then this is a fair use. If access is not
  limited, then this use is probably not a fair use.
  No exclusively educational purpose can be guaranteed by
  putting the article on the Web, and such conduct would
  arguably violate the copyright holder's right of public
  distribution.

  So our case has the right of public distribution problem, plus the
problem that the usg.edu discussion refers to college courses (which is
more educational in nature than just general web publication.)  On the
other hand that refers to an *entire* article article while we only have
a piece of a publication.  Unfortunately the law is a bit messy on that,
i.e. whether one chapter is x% of the entire book, or is it 100% of the
chapter?

see http://www.usg.edu/admin/legal/copyright/copy.html
 ...

  Please note that I'm not discussing what should be - I'm talking about
copyright law as it exists.

--henry schaffer

P.S. For anyone is still awake - you may want to do more reading in IP
law, and here's a good resource page:
http://www.ga.unc.edu/~hes/intel-prop.html

Re: Mailing List Software

[Henry Schaffer]

 Thanks.  Mailman was one of the hits, I saw and was considering strongly, as
 I think it was the one that is sourceforge uses.

I ran majordomo for a while. Switching to mailman reduced management pain
massively and let me dump the entire list admin onto the list users via
the web interface

  Our mailing list specialist tells me that Majordomo2 is greatly
changed and improved, and should be discounted because of lacks in the
old majordomo.
--
--henry schaffer

FUN: linux movies from ibm (fwd)

[Henry Schaffer]

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned here.
--henry schaffer

Check them out:

Penquinstein!!!  Free the code!!!

http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/linux/fun/index.html?c=eservern=linuxfun_callout_servershomet=advertise#

or a shorter link if that one wrapped:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?S15B51F9

Re: LCS drivers for 2.4.9 ?

[Henry Schaffer]

Mark writes:
That's an interesting non sequitur.

  I don't think its a non sequitur - having something OCO means it can't
be updated for new kernel releases, it can't be investigated when
problems are happening, it depends on IBM for everything.  That is a
real business risk for people who depend on OSA cards for 390 data
communications.

--henry schaffer

Mark Post

-Original Message-
From: Alan Cox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 3:42 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: LCS drivers for 2.4.9 ?

 Remember, the ONLY Linux kernel OCO code IBM supplies, to my knowlede, is
 for OSA cards!

And what about next month, or next year. In the PC world I can rip out a
card if a vendor screws me, and go elsewhere. Its a $200 annoyance not
a million dollar business risk.

Alan