Re: 1000th z800 Sold
Anyone else find it a stretch of credibility that the 1000th z900 and the 1000th z800 both went to Linux-only shops? As far as I'm aware there isn't a single Linux-only z800 in Europe. I may well be wrong, but it's still fingers of one hand making a rude sign. Okay not quite Linux-only, but definitely in Europe, but the one sitting a few metres away from me has 2 partitions. One is z/VM4.3 with Linux and the other is z/VM4.2 with Linux (and OS/390.) MfG / Best Regards Sebastian Welton [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.welton.de = MfG / Best Regards Sebastian Welton [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.welton.de __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com
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Not quite. We got the 1000th z900. We run z/OS in support of 9 production CICS regions, thousands of batch programs, and, oh yes, z/VM and Linux. On Saturday 08 March 2003 04:06, you wrote: Anyone else find it a stretch of credibility that the 1000th z900 and the 1000th z800 both went to Linux-only shops?
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Anyone else find it a stretch of credibility that the 1000th z900 and the 1000th z800 both went to Linux-only shops? Not quite. We got the 1000th z900. We run z/OS in support of 9 production CICS regions, thousands of batch programs, and, oh yes, z/VM and Linux. http://www-916.ibm.com/press/prnews.nsf/jan/75738294A42413B185256AD10058E3E9 ARMONK, NY--September 24, 2001--IBM announced that it shipped its 1,000th IBM eServer z900 today to Boscov's, the largest family-owned department store company in the U.S. Boscov's plans to consolidate its Windows NT server farm on a single z900 running Linux. -- Phil Payne http://www.isham-research.com +44 7785 302 803 +49 173 6242039
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The press release didn't make it clear that we obtained the z900 as a replacement for our (wheezing) 9672 G3 processor. At order time, we added the IFL in anticipation of z/VM and Linux. Writers license, I suppose. On Monday 10 March 2003 08:36, you wrote: Anyone else find it a stretch of credibility that the 1000th z900 and the 1000th z800 both went to Linux-only shops? Not quite. We got the 1000th z900. We run z/OS in support of 9 production CICS regions, thousands of batch programs, and, oh yes, z/VM and Linux. http://www-916.ibm.com/press/prnews.nsf/jan/75738294A42413B185256AD10 058E3E9 ARMONK, NY--September 24, 2001--IBM announced that it shipped its 1,000th IBM eServer z900 today to Boscov's, the largest family-owned department store company in the U.S. Boscov's plans to consolidate its Windows NT server farm on a single z900 running Linux.
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The press release didn't make it clear ... Not just the press release. Quite a few briefings failed to mention that fact that mainframe legacy stuff was being run as well. Several journals seem to have been fooled. -- Phil Payne http://www.isham-research.com +44 7785 302 803 +49 173 6242039
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No, three: IFL, CF, and standard. z/OS and z/OS.e have the same standard CPU requirement. OK, I'm confused now. I agree on the CPU types, but wasn't z/OS.e supposed to be runnable on IFLs? Or is it just licensing magic to keep the cost of z/OS based products from eating any prayer of a TCO improvement? -- db
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On Monday, 03/10/2003 at 10:16 EST, David Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, I'm confused now. I agree on the CPU types, but wasn't z/OS.e supposed to be runnable on IFLs? Or is it just licensing magic to keep the cost of z/OS based products from eating any prayer of a TCO improvement? Remember, IFLs are for Linux. To quote from the IBM Sales Manual, z/OS.e is a specially priced offering of z/OS that provides select function at an attractive price Priced competitively, z/OS.e runs exclusively on the new midrange zSeries 2066 [z800] processor. If all you need is OE kinds of apps (WAS, Domino, etc. - No CICS) with the strengths z/OS brings, then z/OS.e is for you. Alan Altmark Sr. Software Engineer IBM z/VM Development
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No, three: IFL, CF, and standard. z/OS and z/OS.e have the same standard CPU requirement. OK, I'm confused now. I agree on the CPU types, but wasn't z/OS.e supposed to be runnable on IFLs? Or is it just licensing magic to keep the cost of z/OS based products from eating any prayer of a TCO improvement? It's nit-picking. z/OS.e requires a specific LPAR configuration - IMO that makes four CPU types. -- Phil Payne http://www.isham-research.com +44 7785 302 803 +49 173 6242039
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OK, I'm confused now. I agree on the CPU types, but wasn't z/OS.e supposed to be runnable on IFLs? Or is it just licensing magic to keep the cost of z/OS based products from eating any prayer of a TCO improvement? z/OS.e is meant to keep licensing costs low. It will only run on general purpose CPs. The magic is done by disabling LE so no Legacy applications will run. Alan Altmark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On Monday, 03/10/2003 at 10:16 EST, David Boyes wrote: OK, I'm confused now. I agree on the CPU types, but wasn't z/OS.e supposed to be runnable on IFLs? Or is it just licensing magic to keep the cost of z/OS based products from eating any prayer of a TCO improvement? Remember, IFLs are for Linux. To quote from the IBM Sales Manual, z/OS.e is a specially priced offering of z/OS that provides select function at an attractive price Priced competitively, z/OS.e runs exclusively on the new midrange zSeries 2066 [z800] processor. If all you need is OE kinds of apps (WAS, Domino, etc. - No CICS) with the strengths z/OS brings, then z/OS.e is for you. Alan Altmark Sr. Software Engineer IBM z/VM Development - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more
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It's nit-picking. z/OS.e requires a specific LPAR configuration - IMO that makes four CPU types. Phil: Sorry, but there is ONE type of CPU. You can buy these from IBM as standard/traditional, IFL or ICF. One or more is also configured as a System Assist Processor (SAP) which is no-charge. The ONLY requirement for z/OS.e is that it run on a z800, that the partition name starts with ZOSE and that if you are running z/VM in that partition that the you can NOT run z/OS or OS/390 as well as z/OS.e. Configuraiton of standard, IFL, ICF and SAP processors are micrcode defined. z/OS.e LPARs are a TsCs definition. Also, note that z/OS.e LPARs do NOT have to be defined with dedicated processors so a physical processor could have two LPARs (one for z/OS.e and one for anything else, include z/OS). Now, there are billing issues here if you do this, but that is not really relevant to this discussion. Regards, Jim
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On Sat, 8 Mar 2003 10:06:33 +0100, Phil Payne wrote: As far as I'm aware there isn't a single Linux-only z800 in Europe. I may well be wrong, but it's still fingers of one hand making a rude sign. I thought a Swiss insurance company took delivery of one, but the info is not solid. /Per regards, Per Jessen, Zurich http://www.enidan.com - home of the J1 serial console.
Re: 1000th z800 Sold
The 2066 IBM eServer zSeries Offering for Linux Model 0LF includes the z800 IBM eServer with 1 to 4 Integrated Facility for Linux (IFL) engines, 8 GB to 16 GB of memory (depending on number of engines enabled), ESCON, OSA Express, and FICON Express channels, z/VM version 4, three years of hardware support, three years of z/VM subscription support, and other optional services from IBM. Anyone else find it a stretch of credibility that the 1000th z900 and the 1000th z800 both went to Linux-only shops? http://archive.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/01/09/24/010924hnmainlin.xml for the z900 announcement. As far as I'm aware there isn't a single Linux-only z800 in Europe. I may well be wrong, but it's still fingers of one hand making a rude sign. (Some european rude signs use three fingers.) There was one in Berlin for a while, but I think it's gone again. So IBM is definitely - if somewhat crudely - trying to send a message. -- Phil Payne http://www.isham-research.com +44 7785 302 803 +49 173 6242039
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I didn't think you could get a linux only z800. I thought you had to have at least one zOS enabled engine. Bill -Original Message- From: Ferguson, Neale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 9:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 1000th z800 Sold See: http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/news/pressreleases/2003/z_linux _grid_03-06-03.html?ca=zseriesme=Wmet=from_zvm Armonk, N.Y. and Gainesville, Fla., March 6, 2003 - IBM announced today that the University of Florida has selected the Linux-only IBM eServer zSeries 800 as the heart of the university's Advanced Computing and Information Systems (ACIS) laboratory at the school's Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering in Gainesville, Florida. snip
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I didn't think you could get a linux only z800. I thought you had to have at least one zOS enabled engine. http://www.isham-research.com/linuxonly.html -- Phil Payne http://www.isham-research.com +44 7785 302 803 +49 173 6242039
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It's the 0LF, available in 1 to 4 engines. I also think it's packaged with z/VM and the subscription service. On Friday 07 March 2003 08:24 am, you wrote: I didn't think you could get a linux only z800. I thought you had to have at least one zOS enabled engine. Bill -Original Message- From: Ferguson, Neale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 9:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 1000th z800 Sold See: http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/news/pressreleases/2003/z_linu x _grid_03-06-03.html?ca=zseriesme=Wmet=from_zvm Armonk, N.Y. and Gainesville, Fla., March 6, 2003 - IBM announced today that the University of Florida has selected the Linux-only IBM eServer zSeries 800 as the heart of the university's Advanced Computing and Information Systems (ACIS) laboratory at the school's Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering in Gainesville, Florida. snip -- Rich Smrcina Sr. Systems Engineer Sytek Services, A Division of DSG Milwaukee, WI [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Catch the WAVV! Stay for Requirements and the Free for All! Update your S/390 skills in 4 days for a very reasonable price. WAVV 2003 in Winston-Salem, NC. April 25-29, 2003 For details see http://www.wavv.org
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No, have a look: http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/800linux.html It´s just a zSeries with z/VM and Linux, no zOS. -- Mit freundlichen Gruessen/With kind regards Thorsten Hock Teamleiter/Teamleader Systems-Management Ueberseering 24, 22297 Hamburg, Germany IT-Services and Solutions GmbH ...an IBM Global Services Company fon: +49 (40) 6389-1884 fax: +49 (40) 6389-1889 E-Mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Beinert, William To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]cc: om Subject: Re: 1000th z800 Sold Sent by: Linux on 390 Port [EMAIL PROTECTED] IST.EDU 07.03.2003 15:24 Please respond to Linux on 390 Port I didn't think you could get a linux only z800. I thought you had to have at least one zOS enabled engine. Bill -Original Message- From: Ferguson, Neale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 9:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 1000th z800 Sold See: http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/news/pressreleases/2003/z_linux _grid_03-06-03.html?ca=zseriesme=Wmet=from_zvm Armonk, N.Y. and Gainesville, Fla., March 6, 2003 - IBM announced today that the University of Florida has selected the Linux-only IBM eServer zSeries 800 as the heart of the university's Advanced Computing and Information Systems (ACIS) laboratory at the school's Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering in Gainesville, Florida. snip
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I didn't think you could get a linux only z800. I thought you had to have at least one zOS enabled engine. There is no such thing as a zOS (s/b z/OS) enabled engine. There are three ways processors can be configured on a zSeries system. As a standard or traditional engine, as an Integrated Facility for Linux (IFL) engine, or as an Integrated Coupling Facility (ICF) engine. IFLs can only run Linux workloads (with or without z/VM). ICFs only run the Coupling Facility Control Code (licensed internal code). On standard engines you can run z/OS, OS/390, z/VM, VM/ESA, VSE/ESA, TPF, Linux for S/390, and Linux for OS/390. You can order a z800-0FL model which has only IFL engines (one to four) and comes with z/VM in the price. Regards, Jim
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Again? I thought you got your boss straightened out about that the last time. Mark Post -Original Message- From: Michael Short [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 11:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 1000th z800 Sold Darn. After seeing this E-mail my boss will probably ask for LINUX for OS/390 ;-) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jim Elliottcc: (bcc: Michael Short/Towers Perrin) [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: 1000th z800 Sold et.ibm.com Sent by: Linux on 390 Port [EMAIL PROTECTED] T.EDU 03/07/2003 11:09 AM Please respond to Linux on 390 Port I didn't think you could get a linux only z800. I thought you had to have at least one zOS enabled engine. There is no such thing as a zOS (s/b z/OS) enabled engine. There are three ways processors can be configured on a zSeries system. As a standard or traditional engine, as an Integrated Facility for Linux (IFL) engine, or as an Integrated Coupling Facility (ICF) engine. IFLs can only run Linux workloads (with or without z/VM). ICFs only run the Coupling Facility Control Code (licensed internal code). On standard engines you can run z/OS, OS/390, z/VM, VM/ESA, VSE/ESA, TPF, Linux for S/390, and Linux for OS/390. You can order a z800-0FL model which has only IFL engines (one to four) and comes with z/VM in the price. Regards, Jim
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Think we'll ever see Linux be able to take advantage of coupling facility stuff? |-+-- | | Jim Elliott| | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | et.ibm.com| | | Sent by: Linux on | | | 390 Port | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | T.EDU | | | | | | | | | 03/07/2003 10:09 AM| | | Please respond to | | | Linux on 390 Port | | | | |-+-- --| | | | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | cc: | | Subject: Re: 1000th z800 Sold | --| I didn't think you could get a linux only z800. I thought you had to have at least one zOS enabled engine. There is no such thing as a zOS (s/b z/OS) enabled engine. There are three ways processors can be configured on a zSeries system. As a standard or traditional engine, as an Integrated Facility for Linux (IFL) engine, or as an Integrated Coupling Facility (ICF) engine. IFLs can only run Linux workloads (with or without z/VM). ICFs only run the Coupling Facility Control Code (licensed internal code). On standard engines you can run z/OS, OS/390, z/VM, VM/ESA, VSE/ESA, TPF, Linux for S/390, and Linux for OS/390. You can order a z800-0FL model which has only IFL engines (one to four) and comes with z/VM in the price. Regards, Jim
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Yeah, well in this case, it was Jim himself that had the brain fade, (see what he wrote below) so he's not going to be doing any complaining this time. :) Mark Post -Original Message- From: Gregg C Levine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 11:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 1000th z800 Sold Hello from Gregg C Levine Excuse me? Before Jim Elliot, and Alan Altmark complain, its Linux for S/390. OS/390 is an operating system. I've already seen that happen before. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi (This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi ) (This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda ) -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Short Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 11:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] 1000th z800 Sold Darn. After seeing this E-mail my boss will probably ask for LINUX for OS/390 ;-) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jim Elliottcc: (bcc: Michael Short/Towers Perrin) [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: 1000th z800 Sold et.ibm.com Sent by: Linux on 390 Port [EMAIL PROTECTED] T.EDU 03/07/2003 11:09 AM Please respond to Linux on 390 Port I didn't think you could get a linux only z800. I thought you had to have at least one zOS enabled engine. There is no such thing as a zOS (s/b z/OS) enabled engine. There are three ways processors can be configured on a zSeries system. As a standard or traditional engine, as an Integrated Facility for Linux (IFL) engine, or as an Integrated Coupling Facility (ICF) engine. IFLs can only run Linux workloads (with or without z/VM). ICFs only run the Coupling Facility Control Code (licensed internal code). On standard engines you can run z/OS, OS/390, z/VM, VM/ESA, VSE/ESA, TPF, Linux for S/390, and Linux for OS/390. You can order a z800-0FL model which has only IFL engines (one to four) and comes with z/VM in the price. Regards, Jim
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Don't shoot the messenger. I was only citing Jim's E-mail :-). To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gregg C Levine cc: (bcc: Michael Short/Towers Perrin) [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: 1000th z800 Sold et.att.net Sent by: Linux on 390 Port [EMAIL PROTECTED] EDU 03/07/2003 11:33 AM Please respond to Linux on 390 Port Hello from Gregg C Levine Excuse me? Before Jim Elliot, and Alan Altmark complain, its Linux for S/390. OS/390 is an operating system. I've already seen that happen before. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi (This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi ) (This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda ) -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Short Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 11:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] 1000th z800 Sold Darn. After seeing this E-mail my boss will probably ask for LINUX for OS/390 ;-) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jim Elliottcc: (bcc: Michael Short/Towers Perrin) [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: 1000th z800 Sold et.ibm.com Sent by: Linux on 390 Port [EMAIL PROTECTED] T.EDU 03/07/2003 11:09 AM Please respond to Linux on 390 Port I didn't think you could get a linux only z800. I thought you had to have at least one zOS enabled engine. There is no such thing as a zOS (s/b z/OS) enabled engine. There are three ways processors can be configured on a zSeries system. As a standard or traditional engine, as an Integrated Facility for Linux (IFL) engine, or as an Integrated Coupling Facility (ICF) engine. IFLs can only run Linux workloads (with or without z/VM). ICFs only run the Coupling Facility Control Code (licensed internal code). On standard engines you can run z/OS, OS/390, z/VM, VM/ESA, VSE/ESA, TPF, Linux for S/390, and Linux for OS/390. You can order a z800-0FL model which has only IFL engines (one to four) and comes with z/VM in the price. Regards, Jim
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Hello again from Gregg C Levine I'm not stunning you Michael. I'm only doing exactly what the both of them would have done. And then waiting to see what else develops. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi (This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi ) (This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda ) -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Short Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 11:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] 1000th z800 Sold Don't shoot the messenger. I was only citing Jim's E-mail :-). To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gregg C Levine cc: (bcc: Michael Short/Towers Perrin) [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: 1000th z800 Sold et.att.net Sent by: Linux on 390 Port [EMAIL PROTECTED] EDU 03/07/2003 11:33 AM Please respond to Linux on 390 Port Hello from Gregg C Levine Excuse me? Before Jim Elliot, and Alan Altmark complain, its Linux for S/390. OS/390 is an operating system. I've already seen that happen before. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. Obi-Wan Kenobi (This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi ) (This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda ) -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Short Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 11:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] 1000th z800 Sold Darn. After seeing this E-mail my boss will probably ask for LINUX for OS/390 ;-) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jim Elliottcc: (bcc: Michael Short/Towers Perrin) [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: 1000th z800 Sold et.ibm.com Sent by: Linux on 390 Port [EMAIL PROTECTED] T.EDU 03/07/2003 11:09 AM Please respond to Linux on 390 Port I didn't think you could get a linux only z800. I thought you had to have at least one zOS enabled engine. There is no such thing as a zOS (s/b z/OS) enabled engine. There are three ways processors can be configured on a zSeries system. As a standard or traditional engine, as an Integrated Facility for Linux (IFL) engine, or as an Integrated Coupling Facility (ICF) engine. IFLs can only run Linux workloads (with or without z/VM). ICFs only run the Coupling Facility Control Code (licensed internal code). On standard engines you can run z/OS, OS/390, z/VM, VM/ESA, VSE/ESA, TPF, Linux for S/390, and Linux for OS/390. You can order a z800-0FL model which has only IFL engines (one to four) and comes with z/VM in the price. Regards, Jim
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There is no such thing as a zOS (s/b z/OS) enabled engine. There are three ways processors can be configured on a zSeries system. Four. z/OS vs z/OS.e -- Phil Payne http://www.isham-research.com +44 7785 302 803 +49 173 6242039
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Jim, One point of disagreement. On my 2066-0A2 (z/800), I have an IFL, but no ICF engine. I successfully defined and am using an LPAR as a Coupling Facility using the IFL. So an IFL can be shared between a z/VM LPAR for Linux and a CFCC LPAR for a Coupling Facility. I am not suggesting this, just mentioning it. I did it mainly because (1) I wanted to see if it would work and (2) I wanted to play with a Coupling Facility on my sysprog sandbox for learning. An IFL could also run other operating systems as well, if somebody wanted to write them (like a *BSD port). An IFL is *not* restricted to running only z/VM and Linux. It *is* set up so that a licensed OS such as z/OS (and OS/390 and MVS, I guess) will refuse to run on it. I cannot find it, but I thought that z/OS.e would also run on an IFL. -Original Message- From: Jim Elliott [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 10:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 1000th z800 Sold I didn't think you could get a linux only z800. I thought you had to have at least one zOS enabled engine. There is no such thing as a zOS (s/b z/OS) enabled engine. There are three ways processors can be configured on a zSeries system. As a standard or traditional engine, as an Integrated Facility for Linux (IFL) engine, or as an Integrated Coupling Facility (ICF) engine. IFLs can only run Linux workloads (with or without z/VM). ICFs only run the Coupling Facility Control Code (licensed internal code). On standard engines you can run z/OS, OS/390, z/VM, VM/ESA, VSE/ESA, TPF, Linux for S/390, and Linux for OS/390. You can order a z800-0FL model which has only IFL engines (one to four) and comes with z/VM in the price. Regards, Jim
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I'll bet not. How to talk to a CF is not documented. So any such code would likely be OCO, like the OSA code. I doubt that IBM will want to maintain this. The OSA code is important to sell hardware. To use a CF would require not only the driver, but other software and maybe kernel changes to actually use it for something. So, first off, what would you want the CF do to? The main thing that I can think of is to implement a writable shared DASD driver. -Original Message- From: James Melin [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 10:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 1000th z800 Sold Think we'll ever see Linux be able to take advantage of coupling facility stuff?
Re: 1000th z800 Sold
On Friday, 03/07/2003 at 09:24 EST, Beinert, William [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't think you could get a linux only z800. I thought you had to have at least one zOS enabled engine. Yes, the z800 is available in an IFL-only configuration. From the IBM sales manual: The 2066 IBM eServer zSeries Offering for Linux Model 0LF includes the z800 IBM eServer with 1 to 4 Integrated Facility for Linux (IFL) engines, 8 GB to 16 GB of memory (depending on number of engines enabled), ESCON, OSA Express, and FICON Express channels, z/VM version 4, three years of hardware support, three years of z/VM subscription support, and other optional services from IBM. Alan Altmark Sr. Software Engineer IBM z/VM Development
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On Friday, 03/07/2003 at 12:13 CST, McKown, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim, One point of disagreement. On my 2066-0A2 (z/800), I have an IFL, but no ICF engine. I successfully defined and am using an LPAR as a Coupling Facility using the IFL. So an IFL can be shared between a z/VM LPAR for Linux and a CFCC LPAR for a Coupling Facility. I am not suggesting this, just mentioning it. I did it mainly because (1) I wanted to see if it would work and (2) I wanted to play with a Coupling Facility on my sysprog sandbox for learning. An IFL could also run other operating systems as well, if somebody wanted to write them (like a *BSD port). An IFL is *not* restricted to running only z/VM and Linux. It *is* set up so that a licensed OS such as z/OS (and OS/390 and MVS, I guess) will refuse to run on it. I cannot find it, but I thought that z/OS.e would also run on an IFL. z/OS.e will not run on an IFL. Alan Altmark Sr. Software Engineer IBM z/VM Development
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On Friday, 03/07/2003 at 06:56 CET, Phil Payne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no such thing as a zOS (s/b z/OS) enabled engine. There are three ways processors can be configured on a zSeries system. Four. z/OS vs z/OS.e No, three: IFL, CF, and standard. z/OS and z/OS.e have the same standard CPU requirement. Alan Altmark Sr. Software Engineer IBM z/VM Development
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Michael: OK, mea culpa. That is what I get for trying to respond to the list before I have my morning coffee and while I am on a conf call at the same time. Of course it is Linux for S/390. Argh, the number of times I have complained about others doing just this! Regards, Jim
1000th z800 Sold
See: http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/news/pressreleases/2003/z_linux _grid_03-06-03.html?ca=zseriesme=Wmet=from_zvm Armonk, N.Y. and Gainesville, Fla., March 6, 2003 - IBM announced today that the University of Florida has selected the Linux-only IBM eServer zSeries 800 as the heart of the university's Advanced Computing and Information Systems (ACIS) laboratory at the school's Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering in Gainesville, Florida. The sale of the z800 was made by IBM Business Partner Cornerstone Systems, Inc. The university is the 1,000th customer of IBM's entry-class mainframe, the z800, which began shipping in March of last year. A collaborative grant from the National Science Foundation funded the purchase. The university plans to integrate the z800 running z/VM, IBM's advanced virtualization software, a 3.36 Terabyte IBM Enterprise Storage Server (code named Shark) and a 32-node IBM eServer xSeries cluster running VMWare and Linux to support its pioneering research in the emerging field of grid computing. The goal of grid computing is to enable the secure, shared usage of geographically distributed computing resources and services as if they resided on an individual user's computer.
